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[2016-10-29 13:56:03] Tetsuo : aethlios: it looks pretty bad
[2016-10-29 13:56:21] aethlios : major support at test 0.013 around
[2016-10-29 13:57:08] jordy : Does bitmex has mobile apps?
[2016-10-29 13:57:16] Gemz : eth bubble popped i think, its going back to $5
[2016-10-29 13:57:40] lockhedge : BitMEX_Wally: on Cross margin, this ROE calculation does not make sense
[2016-10-29 13:58:01] tomato : BitMEX_Wally: if the ROE 300%,my value is 0.01XBT, it means my profit is 0.03XBT，right？
[2016-10-29 13:58:04] andrinost : how to reset chart setting to defaul>?
[2016-10-29 13:58:05] aethlios : still 1 billion market cap.
[2016-10-29 13:58:18] sleger : tomato: wrong
[2016-10-29 13:58:35] tomato : how much my profit
[2016-10-29 13:58:37] chromaticcr1 : tomato: seems like you are typing with Chinese input
[2016-10-29 13:58:50] tomato : yes
[2016-10-29 13:58:51] rapidtrades : bit 'we change contracts mid-way' mex
[2016-10-29 13:59:11] aethlios : xmr and eth
[2016-10-29 13:59:18] rapidtrades : bit ' we impose price caps' mex
[2016-10-29 13:59:35] rapidtrades : bwpcm
[2016-10-29 13:59:42] aethlios : place a floor to xmr and eth.
[2016-10-29 13:59:48] rapidtrades : bitwimpcmex
[2016-10-29 14:00:02] rapidtrades : yeah place a floor on btc too while ur at it
[2016-10-29 14:00:08] REKT : Liquidated long on `REP7D`: Sell 455 @ 0.005458
[2016-10-29 14:00:35] Rado : all shit coins down
[2016-10-29 14:00:35] chromaticcr1 : lol REP orderbook
[2016-10-29 14:00:36] rapidtrades : and cap eth at 0.02 just to f*ck with sleger
[2016-10-29 14:01:01] Rado : rapidtrades: lol
[2016-10-29 14:01:07] aethlios : whales dumping hard alts, preparing for huge btc pump to 1200
[2016-10-29 14:01:09] rapidtrades : let's start a petition for the next cap
[2016-10-29 14:01:20] sleger : rapidtrades: my eth position is mostly not here
[2016-10-29 14:01:24] Rado : rapidtrades: any news on marking ZEC to Polo?
[2016-10-29 14:01:26] rapidtrades : which coin do u hate the most guys?
[2016-10-29 14:01:39] rapidtrades : Rado: nope...when they feel like it most likely
[2016-10-29 14:01:44] aethlios : we need floors now, we are loosing our ground below our feet
[2016-10-29 14:01:51] rapidtrades : agree
[2016-10-29 14:01:55] Rado : I think they can't do it now
[2016-10-29 14:02:14] rapidtrades : they don't want to do it now
[2016-10-29 14:02:27] Rado : assumption ws the price will equalize and then they can mark it
[2016-10-29 14:02:38] Tetsuo : rapidtrades: difficult question there are so many hateful out there
[2016-10-29 14:02:43] Rado : how can it be done if the difference is 6 BTC
[2016-10-29 14:03:04] rapidtrades : idk they plan to use some fair basis added
[2016-10-29 14:03:18] rapidtrades : prolly -80% lol
[2016-10-29 14:03:25] rapidtrades : 'fair' lol
[2016-10-29 14:03:30] Rado : lol
[2016-10-29 14:03:42] Tetsuo : open the gates shitcoiners, hell is knocking
[2016-10-29 14:03:44] rapidtrades : can we rename the contart to ZEC-80%
[2016-10-29 14:03:44] Rado : mark prie is used for liquidations right?
[2016-10-29 14:03:53] rapidtrades : i think so
[2016-10-29 14:03:55] lockhedge : rapidtrades: they usually use impact mid price (the order book) to calculate fair basis
[2016-10-29 14:03:57] laisee : rapidtrades: us seem a little sad. didn't make money from ZEC like all the others?
[2016-10-29 14:03:59] Rado : so they can't change it
[2016-10-29 14:04:15] Rado : laisee: I told him to sell at 10
[2016-10-29 14:04:21] chromaticcr1 : current supply / supply at Dec30 = 0.09%, FYI
[2016-10-29 14:04:22] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC7D`: Sell 85 @ 0.001238
[2016-10-29 14:04:24] rapidtrades : laisee: no i made quite a lot...but i complained even when i didn't trade ZEC
[2016-10-29 14:04:33] rapidtrades : when they had those 25-50% limits
[2016-10-29 14:04:43] rapidtrades : limits have no place in trading
[2016-10-29 14:04:45] laisee : he was longa nd didnt seell @ 10? Oh, thts sad indeed
[2016-10-29 14:04:55] tomato : BitMEX_Wally: how to check my profit
[2016-10-29 14:04:57] GreedyGoblin : there is on Polo this guy talking about a big XBT short position in trouble. just troll talk or there something to it?
[2016-10-29 14:05:06] chromaticcr1 : 0.09%*7.2=0.00648, quite a fair number i guess
[2016-10-29 14:05:35] laisee : rapidtrades: limits are quite common in non-cash exchanges
[2016-10-29 14:05:49] Rado : BitMEX_Wally: all kidding aside, don't you guys have a plan to marking ZEC with an exchange?
[2016-10-29 14:06:11] chromaticcr1 : Rado: but how, what would be the basis
[2016-10-29 14:06:14] rapidtrades : they'll do it when it suits them...check latest announcement
[2016-10-29 14:06:37] rapidtrades : they outlines some 'rules' but still said it's up to their discretion
[2016-10-29 14:06:45] Rado : chromaticcr1: if you are short you will get liquidated
[2016-10-29 14:07:06] Rado : actually if they announce and give people 2-3 hours the price here will equalize with the price on the exchange
[2016-10-29 14:07:08] laisee : rapidtrades: they are in business and have no govt agency to bail them out. u expect charity?
[2016-10-29 14:07:12] rapidtrades : so we're trading a fake market with BTC that's 80% below ZEC price...sounds fair
[2016-10-29 14:07:17] Rado : because shorts will need to cover
[2016-10-29 14:07:19] chromaticcr1 : Rado: if they are marking to spot directly without basis, yes
[2016-10-29 14:07:28] lockhedge : Rado: "Our criteria for this marking are as follows: Healthy deposits and withdrawals Over 1000 ZEC/day volume The final decision on which spot exchange to mark ZECZ16 is at BitMEX’s discretion and will be announced a full 24 hours before it is active. At that time ZECZ16’s mark price will be a combination of the index price and implied basis."
[2016-10-29 14:07:41] rapidtrades : i expect them not to trade on their own xchanges or bailout MMs
[2016-10-29 14:07:53] rapidtrades : not a f*cking high bar
[2016-10-29 14:08:20] Rado : lockhedge: do you work for BitMEX now?
[2016-10-29 14:08:25] laisee : how do u know they are trading or bailing out MM?
[2016-10-29 14:08:42] lockhedge : Rado: no and i'm not trading ZEC
[2016-10-29 14:08:50] rapidtrades : because they killed trading to keep prices low
[2016-10-29 14:09:04] Rado : lockhedge: over 1000/ZEC volume?
[2016-10-29 14:09:12] rapidtrades : so any trading fees < benefit from shorts
[2016-10-29 14:09:17] Rado : that's kind of unfair concidering the price is higher than BTC
[2016-10-29 14:09:32] Rado : not like a shit coin where the price is a fraction of BTC
[2016-10-29 14:09:40] rapidtrades : they think it will fall soon
[2016-10-29 14:09:46] laisee : it will
[2016-10-29 14:09:55] chromaticcr1 : rapidtrades: and it happened
[2016-10-29 14:10:02] Rado : laisee: it did fall
[2016-10-29 14:10:03] rapidtrades : yeah well guess what...if everyone says it will, it won't happen
[2016-10-29 14:10:06] sleger : what btc price you guys taking profits ?
[2016-10-29 14:10:12] Rado : now is anyone guess
[2016-10-29 14:10:18] laisee : Rado: 15 to 9 to 7.
[2016-10-29 14:10:20] Rado : it could trade at this price for a few days
[2016-10-29 14:10:29] chromaticcr1 : sleger: i will take profit by ADL, from rapid's position
[2016-10-29 14:10:35] REKT : Liquidated long on `LSKXBT`: Sell 350 @ 0.000201
[2016-10-29 14:10:37] sleger : lol
[2016-10-29 14:10:46] sleger : since when do chinese make jokes
[2016-10-29 14:10:52] REKT : Liquidated long on `LSKXBT`: Sell 3000 @ 0.000200
[2016-10-29 14:10:53] rapidtrades : good luck with that
[2016-10-29 14:10:55] laisee : sleger: stay in your trade, I need to make a crazy short
[2016-10-29 14:11:01] rapidtrades : i have no liq price
[2016-10-29 14:11:22] chromaticcr1 : rapidtrades: that means the lower limit of zero will be removed by BitMEX just to be fair to everyone ;)
[2016-10-29 14:11:37] chromaticcr1 : choo choo and down to the core
[2016-10-29 14:11:39] rapidtrades : sounds fair
[2016-10-29 14:11:57] rapidtrades : let's run this coin into - to bailout mex friends
[2016-10-29 14:12:38] jose : why eth is dropping like crazy?
[2016-10-29 14:13:07] Rado : jose: all alt coins are if you haven't noticed
[2016-10-29 14:13:16] laisee : ethereality wins out
[2016-10-29 14:13:16] Gr33d : Another day of shorting. Beautiful.
[2016-10-29 14:14:42] +1 : BTC will stall for a few days? @Rado
[2016-10-29 14:14:52] Rado : by the way we are a small community here and should stick together
[2016-10-29 14:15:01] numero : so is this the polo spot that's on the chart now?
[2016-10-29 14:15:12] hazir : this is the only zcash market with shorting :D more real a price
[2016-10-29 14:15:18] Rado : +1: I don't see it yet
[2016-10-29 14:15:25] Rado : BTC seems to have a good momentum
[2016-10-29 14:15:29] Rado : might go up more
[2016-10-29 14:15:31] sleger : we lost half of users already, nice !
[2016-10-29 14:15:51] hazir : where do you see number of users? :)
[2016-10-29 14:15:54] Rado : sleger: 900 users got liquidated all the way to 0
[2016-10-29 14:16:04] hazir : nooo ouch :(
[2016-10-29 14:16:07] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 100 @ 0.01322
[2016-10-29 14:16:09] Rado : hazir: top right of chat
[2016-10-29 14:16:31] hazir : thank you Rado
[2016-10-29 14:16:41] hazir : Rado: thank u ^^
[2016-10-29 14:16:54] Rado : np
[2016-10-29 14:17:28] laisee : Rado: how do u know 900?
[2016-10-29 14:17:45] Rado : laisee: yesterday we hit over 1900 users
[2016-10-29 14:17:49] Rado : now 1087
[2016-10-29 14:17:53] Rado : it was just a joke
[2016-10-29 14:18:08] laisee : doesn't mean they all got liquidated ...
[2016-10-29 14:18:24] Rado : as I said it was a joke
[2016-10-29 14:18:29] sleger : yes maybe they only trade on even days
[2016-10-29 14:18:32] sleger : who knows
[2016-10-29 14:18:34] laisee : I guess they all went back to Polo/Yolo land
[2016-10-29 14:18:56] numero : yeah I took my chips off the table before I did somethings stupid ;)
[2016-10-29 14:19:23] Rado : ETH bouncing
[2016-10-29 14:20:06] laisee : ZEC under 7 now
[2016-10-29 14:22:45] arougkalos : btc stacked at 705 in this exchange? :/
[2016-10-29 14:23:03] CaptainDean : arougkalos: check the funding rates
[2016-10-29 14:23:04] Tetsuo : upper limit reache
[2016-10-29 14:23:16] Rado : FCT and XMR took the biggest hit
[2016-10-29 14:23:19] Rado : why FCT?
[2016-10-29 14:23:26] Tetsuo : cuz it sucks
[2016-10-29 14:23:46] Rado : anyone can do better than that answer?
[2016-10-29 14:23:47] laisee : it's the fat kid in the crypto-coin class no-one likes
[2016-10-29 14:23:54] arougkalos : CaptainDean: sorry ,i dont know how and what is it
[2016-10-29 14:24:26] CaptainDean : Funding Rate0.2944% in 6 hour
[2016-10-29 14:24:28] mjones : Fct cause low price = longs get rekt easily on margin
[2016-10-29 14:24:35] CaptainDean : check the bottom left of your screen
[2016-10-29 14:25:04] arougkalos : CaptainDean: ok i saw it.thnx!but what exactly this means?
[2016-10-29 14:25:12] Rado : lets trade some shit coins
[2016-10-29 14:25:16] mjones : Wish xmr would bounce like eth did
[2016-10-29 14:25:18] Rado : ETH bounced nice
[2016-10-29 14:25:27] CaptainDean : arougkalos: at the moment long pay the funding and short receive it
[2016-10-29 14:25:45] Rado : mjones: it will when people understand that XMR is better than ZEC
[2016-10-29 14:25:45] CaptainDean : arougkalos: recalculated every 8 hours
[2016-10-29 14:25:59] CaptainDean : arougkalos: or 3 times per days ...
[2016-10-29 14:26:04] CaptainDean : day*
[2016-10-29 14:26:39] mjones : A lot of the xmr volume was done by 1 person. Probably trying to mark the bottom with high volume
[2016-10-29 14:26:49] arougkalos : CaptainDean: so if i have a long and i believe that btc will go higher and it goes higher for the next 8 hours i will not get anything more?
[2016-10-29 14:26:52] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETHXBT`: Buy 100 @ 0.01425
[2016-10-29 14:27:12] arougkalos : or in 8 hours the price will go to whatever is the btc at this moment?
[2016-10-29 14:27:14] CaptainDean : arougkalos: whatever happens, in 6 hours if you're long you pay the funding
[2016-10-29 14:27:19] mjones : Wish i 33x longed eth instead
[2016-10-29 14:27:28] CaptainDean : mjones: same :P
[2016-10-29 14:27:56] Rado : mjones: you will have another chance
[2016-10-29 14:28:36] mjones : Xmr should short squeeze after that 40% fall
[2016-10-29 14:28:46] arougkalos : CaptainDean: sorry i didnt get that exactly...so if i stay in and the btc goes up I will pay extra fees?or i will be paid?
[2016-10-29 14:29:58] CaptainDean : arougkalos: https://www.bitmex.com/app/swapsGuide read the funding section
[2016-10-29 14:30:11] arougkalos : CaptainDean: thank you :)
[2016-10-29 14:30:31] CaptainDean : arougkalos: you're welcome ;-)
[2016-10-29 14:30:33] rapidtrades : bit ' we hardcoded a cap' mex
[2016-10-29 14:30:50] rapidtrades : i need a clever acronym
[2016-10-29 14:31:03] Rado : capMEX
[2016-10-29 14:31:11] rapidtrades : ahahhaah brilliant
[2016-10-29 14:35:15] numero : bitmex WHACed
[2016-10-29 14:36:01] rapidtrades : try again
[2016-10-29 14:36:15] laisee : HairyCrab
[2016-10-29 14:36:56] laisee : used for supreme traders in Chyna
[2016-10-29 14:37:00] rapidtrades : he 24h volume on ZEC is n3 on polo right after ETH and XMR
[2016-10-29 14:37:12] arougkalos : pffffff.i dont get it at all.i am interested in only one thing if someone can tell me please....i have a long with leverage 100% in btc bought at 682.sould i close it because i will not be paid more?should i close it because i will have to pay alot of fees and dont get anything in return?or should i wait for this 6 hours?
[2016-10-29 14:37:20] rapidtrades : 1000 ZEC is setting the bar rly high like Rado said
[2016-10-29 14:37:55] rapidtrades : it's already at 5k in BTC
[2016-10-29 14:38:09] rapidtrades : the 24h volume
[2016-10-29 14:38:46] Rado : volume should be measured in BTC
[2016-10-29 14:38:58] Rado : then it doesn't matter what the price of the shitcoin is
[2016-10-29 14:39:20] arougkalos : is there any possibility that this value of the xbt will stay here instead of going to current value?(like 714 right now?)
[2016-10-29 14:39:22] rapidtrades : if it keeps going up we may never hit 1000 in ZEC
[2016-10-29 14:39:50] Rado : arougkalos: the price here is marked based on two exchanges only
[2016-10-29 14:40:03] Rado : Bitstamp and OK-Coin USD
[2016-10-29 14:40:20] Rado : if you see the price on these exchanges you will see that the price here is the same
[2016-10-29 14:40:38] arougkalos : Rado: ohhhhhh!now i get it......thnx bro!my head was ready to explode
[2016-10-29 14:42:21] arougkalos : and one more thing if you can help also...now i am paying fees for 0.3btc.is there any possibility to understand correct and it says that i will not have this cal if i am closing my position every 8- hours?
[2016-10-29 14:42:22] lockhedge : Rado: there's only 27 ZEC on the ask side of Polo's order book vs. 79 here, so it's still much cheaper to manipulate the spot price
[2016-10-29 14:43:00] Rado : lockhedge: manipulation of the price happens even with BTC
[2016-10-29 14:43:06] Rado : so that's not a good reason
[2016-10-29 14:43:23] Rado : it trades as good as it will
[2016-10-29 14:43:27] lockhedge : that's the reason to select a mark method
[2016-10-29 14:43:44] Rado : lockhedge: there is no better exchange to mark it to
[2016-10-29 14:44:09] Rado : your argument basically says that we shouldn't have a ZEC contract
[2016-10-29 14:44:13] Rado : that I will agree with
[2016-10-29 14:44:24] Rado : if you are going to have it then mark it to the exchanges
[2016-10-29 14:44:34] +1 : arougkalos: If you go long and the funding rate is positive: you pay. If you go long and the funding rate is negative: you receive
[2016-10-29 14:45:21] lockhedge : Rado: futures can't be marked directly to spot anyway, so it would be mainly marked to the impact mid price, not spot even if you include Poloniex now
[2016-10-29 14:45:44] arougkalos : +1: thnak you too :)
[2016-10-29 14:46:20] Rado : lockhedge: do you agree you can't have a future that is not marked to anything?
[2016-10-29 14:46:33] rapidtrades : apparently u can
[2016-10-29 14:46:41] rapidtrades : BITMEX where dreams come true
[2016-10-29 14:47:10] rapidtrades : also they said it will use an index
[2016-10-29 14:47:13] +1 : arougkalos: If you go long and the price stall, and the funding rate is positive: you are making a loss -- because you got to pay.
[2016-10-29 14:47:19] rapidtrades : well polo has the lowest price....kraken is at 9
[2016-10-29 14:48:07] miramm1115 : Rado: futures on liquid markets are marked to last
[2016-10-29 14:48:16] lockhedge : Rado: it's marked to last price and that makes sense for the market with the most liquid order book
[2016-10-29 14:48:57] rapidtrades : THIS MARKET HAS NO ZEC
[2016-10-29 14:48:58] rapidtrades : FFS
[2016-10-29 14:49:03] arougkalos : +1: ok i get it now!!thank you.but if the price is connected with two excahnges wichone is choosed?a combination of both?okcoin is very high and bitstamp very low
[2016-10-29 14:49:04] rapidtrades : it trades BTC
[2016-10-29 14:49:10] rapidtrades : there is 0 zec lqiudity here
[2016-10-29 14:49:22] rapidtrades : no ZEC deposists
[2016-10-29 14:49:40] arougkalos : woodchipper??hahah ok coin i mean
[2016-10-29 14:50:24] +1 : arougkalos: You can't choose. It is determined by BitMEX
[2016-10-29 14:51:05] arougkalos : :D
[2016-10-29 14:51:26] +1 : arougkalos: https://www.bitmex.com/app/index/.XBT https://www.bitmex.com/app/fairPriceMarking
[2016-10-29 14:51:46] arougkalos : you are the best ;)
[2016-10-29 14:51:58] arougkalos : thank you for your time and good luck ;)
[2016-10-29 14:53:04] +1 : arougkalos: you are welcome. and to you all the best.
[2016-10-29 14:53:09] Boontjie : Shorting time
[2016-10-29 14:53:14] Boontjie : BTC retrace incoming
[2016-10-29 14:55:36] javierstone : u wish
[2016-10-29 14:56:15] aethlios : Boontjie: don't short.
[2016-10-29 14:57:14] +1 : aethlios: i did
[2016-10-29 14:57:17] +1 : oh shit
[2016-10-29 14:57:27] +1 : lol
[2016-10-29 14:57:37] kogroken : explosion
[2016-10-29 14:57:40] arougkalos : Boontjie: you know what you are talking about bto !
[2016-10-29 14:57:44] arougkalos : hahah
[2016-10-29 14:57:46] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 17548 @ 712.50
[2016-10-29 14:57:52] aethlios : +1: wrong, they wont let you get out.
[2016-10-29 14:58:12] Rado : Boontjie: retrace up?
[2016-10-29 14:58:13] Rado : lol
[2016-10-29 14:58:22] +1 : aethlios: made a mistake man
[2016-10-29 14:58:50] +1 : aethlios: you think it will go down for a while?
[2016-10-29 14:58:54] arougkalos : +1: :/ sorry bro
[2016-10-29 14:58:57] +1 : or should i close?
[2016-10-29 14:59:16] CaptainDean : +1: never trade based on someone lese opinion
[2016-10-29 14:59:17] rapidtrades : hey bitmex...didn't u MM make enough $$$ margining longs to recoup the losses?
[2016-10-29 14:59:29] CaptainDean : +1: you should take your own decision always
[2016-10-29 14:59:31] aethlios : +1: please don't ask, i said my general view before
[2016-10-29 15:00:05] rapidtrades : do the right thing and mark to market
[2016-10-29 15:00:32] +1 : CaptainDean: Hear2.
[2016-10-29 15:00:38] rapidtrades : a cash-settled market must have an index to tether it...this is pure madness
[2016-10-29 15:00:55] +1 : Thanks @aethlios
[2016-10-29 15:00:57] Gemz : when getting adld, will the system get u out at market price?
[2016-10-29 15:01:21] rapidtrades : yes
[2016-10-29 15:02:10] Yazz : Are FCT futures tradeable here?
[2016-10-29 15:02:18] Rado : Yazz: yes
[2016-10-29 15:02:38] aethlios : most people will do the mistake to sell to 1000 and miss the bull market
[2016-10-29 15:02:43] Yazz : Rado: CAn you pls provide a link?
[2016-10-29 15:02:46] lockhedge : Gemz: no
[2016-10-29 15:03:06] Rado : https://www.bitmex.com/app/trade/FCTXBT
[2016-10-29 15:03:11] rapidtrades : BIT ''We didn't think ZEC will go over 10'' MEX
[2016-10-29 15:03:40] rapidtrades : my names suck
[2016-10-29 15:03:40] Yazz : Rado: got it. thanks. I didn't look closely.
[2016-10-29 15:03:44] rapidtrades : capMEX
[2016-10-29 15:04:27] Boontjie : just a short blip it will come down :)
[2016-10-29 15:05:02] numero : rapidtrades: that one made me lol
[2016-10-29 15:05:03] rapidtrades : Just a short blip, he said
[2016-10-29 15:05:12] rapidtrades : It will come down, he said
[2016-10-29 15:05:23] Rado : Boontjie: don't fight the trend
[2016-10-29 15:05:24] rapidtrades : numero: capMEX? that wasn't mine
[2016-10-29 15:05:31] Boontjie : Massage it
[2016-10-29 15:05:47] numero : no the one before that
[2016-10-29 15:06:02] rapidtrades : BIT ''We didn't think ZEC will go over 10'' MEX ?
[2016-10-29 15:06:13] numero : that's the one
[2016-10-29 15:06:42] Boontjie : The sad thing is the open value of ZEC 200 btc, it was 0.5 Zec on open
[2016-10-29 15:06:42] rapidtrades : i like it but it's a mouthful
[2016-10-29 15:06:47] Boontjie : Good arbitrage there
[2016-10-29 15:07:12] rapidtrades : Boontjie: we're 80% below polo
[2016-10-29 15:07:26] rapidtrades : how's that for arbitrage
[2016-10-29 15:07:30] Rado : did ZEC start trading at Kraken and Bitfinex?
[2016-10-29 15:07:34] aethlios : zec spot dump soon, i am dumping 20,000 hacked coins.
[2016-10-29 15:07:39] rapidtrades : Kraken at 9
[2016-10-29 15:07:46] rapidtrades : aethlios: good
[2016-10-29 15:07:57] Boontjie : rapidtrades: There is actually arb opportunity now
[2016-10-29 15:08:03] lockhedge : rapidtrades: why do you believe that ZEC will be worth more than 1 btc (or even 10) in 2 month?
[2016-10-29 15:08:06] Boontjie : given zec doesnt pump above 10 again
[2016-10-29 15:08:31] Rado : lockhedge: exactly the point
[2016-10-29 15:08:44] Rado : we don't think it will so we want the opportunity to short at 6-7
[2016-10-29 15:08:51] Rado : we can't because here the price is 1
[2016-10-29 15:08:53] aethlios : lockhedge: he is a hippie dreamer.
[2016-10-29 15:08:57] Rado : that's the whole problem
[2016-10-29 15:09:14] rapidtrades : market is at 6....ur just shifting BTC here
[2016-10-29 15:09:20] rapidtrades : there is no actual ZEC
[2016-10-29 15:09:28] rapidtrades : what u see on polo is the price
[2016-10-29 15:09:47] Rado : since you can't short ZEC anywhere else on an exchange
[2016-10-29 15:10:09] rapidtrades : technically u can sell on polo
[2016-10-29 15:10:13] rapidtrades : just not naked
[2016-10-29 15:10:18] Rado : that is the advantage of BitMEX
[2016-10-29 15:10:22] chromaticcr1 : rapidtrades: ask someone to lend you shitload of ZEC for 0% interest,
[2016-10-29 15:10:30] zcasher7777 : hello everyone zcash return to normal hhhh
[2016-10-29 15:10:38] chromaticcr1 : and say you will pay them back at December
[2016-10-29 15:10:44] chromaticcr1 : I'l wait for your quote
[2016-10-29 15:10:51] zcasher7777 : from 10 to 1.19
[2016-10-29 15:11:16] rapidtrades : its 6 on polo newb
[2016-10-29 15:11:18] CaptainDean : from capMEX you mean ;-)
[2016-10-29 15:12:14] rapidtrades : at least okc capped the premium to the index...here they capped the price....and they did it one-way
[2016-10-29 15:12:20] rapidtrades : what a disgrace
[2016-10-29 15:12:44] lockhedge : Rado: everyone would love to short a ZEC at 6 btc
[2016-10-29 15:12:59] lockhedge : rapidtrades: there is a minimum price as well
[2016-10-29 15:13:09] Rado : lockhedge: then lets make it happen
[2016-10-29 15:13:18] Rado : the volume will shoot up again
[2016-10-29 15:13:20] rapidtrades : what is the min price? 0? @lockhedge
[2016-10-29 15:14:23] Tetsuo : 1.000000003
[2016-10-29 15:14:28] lockhedge : rapidtrades: $15 iirc
[2016-10-29 15:14:51] rapidtrades : lockhedge: ur not funny
[2016-10-29 15:14:55] Wojti : hi
[2016-10-29 15:15:27] Wojti : why on e.g bittrex the price is 6 btc and here is 1.1?
[2016-10-29 15:15:43] rapidtrades : because capMEX capped the price
[2016-10-29 15:15:48] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 5000 @ 714.29
[2016-10-29 15:15:53] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 16300 @ 714.40
[2016-10-29 15:15:53] mjmj83 : No, because it's a future. People expect the price to drop.
[2016-10-29 15:15:58] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 2377 @ 714.72
[2016-10-29 15:16:04] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 2899 @ 715.08
[2016-10-29 15:16:04] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 28000 @ 715.16 **MEGA-REKT** :boom:
[2016-10-29 15:16:04] REKT : Gentlemen, we have an eREKTion!
[2016-10-29 15:16:04] mjmj83 : And it will before 30 dec.
[2016-10-29 15:16:10] rapidtrades : shorters know it can't go above 10 so they max sell with price right above it
[2016-10-29 15:16:15] rapidtrades : mjmj83: no dummy
[2016-10-29 15:16:31] rapidtrades : it's a one way bet
[2016-10-29 15:16:35] Boontjie : The REKT bot is not funny
[2016-10-29 15:16:38] mjmj83 : rapidtrades: Why do you think BTC-futures are trading above spot?
[2016-10-29 15:16:42] Boontjie : -_-
[2016-10-29 15:16:56] rapidtrades : mjmj83: are futures trading 80% above spot? u dummy?
[2016-10-29 15:16:59] lockhedge : rapidtrades: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Normal_backwardation
[2016-10-29 15:17:13] rapidtrades : lockhedge: im done with this chat
[2016-10-29 15:17:33] rapidtrades : u can't argue with stupid
[2016-10-29 15:17:58] laisee : u can. happens all the time.
[2016-10-29 15:18:05] Rado : rapidtrades: lets get a beer
[2016-10-29 15:18:17] rapidtrades : laisee: yeah it's happening right now
[2016-10-29 15:18:19] Rado : here is still 8 AM
[2016-10-29 15:18:32] Wojti : ok i understand ;) so in 2017 the price probably would be around 1 BTC no 6-7 like now :)
[2016-10-29 15:18:37] laisee : beers on me.
[2016-10-29 15:18:59] CaptainDean : weeds on me
[2016-10-29 15:19:04] Rado : Wojti: in 2017 it will be 0.25 BTC
[2016-10-29 15:19:07] REKT : Liquidated long on `XMR7D`: Sell 450 @ 0.005851
[2016-10-29 15:19:18] laisee : Wojti: in any sane world, yes.
[2016-10-29 15:19:31] rapidtrades : Wojti: u haven't understood shit
[2016-10-29 15:19:54] Rado : 725
[2016-10-29 15:20:01] laisee : how much do these trading lessons cost?
[2016-10-29 15:20:12] Boontjie : ok im closing the short, clearly I am wrong
[2016-10-29 15:20:15] Rado : @Boontjie as I said retrace will be up
[2016-10-29 15:20:44] Rado : Boontjie: just a little early
[2016-10-29 15:20:44] Wojti : ok sorry, i know what you mean ;)
[2016-10-29 15:20:53] Rado : there will be a retrace eventually
[2016-10-29 15:21:07] Boontjie : Rado: Yeah yeah, just give me some time to grieve
[2016-10-29 15:21:20] Boontjie : This fool and his money has been parted
[2016-10-29 15:21:29] Rado : :(
[2016-10-29 15:21:37] Rado : stops will do the trick
[2016-10-29 15:21:44] aethlios : zecbtc best short in history
[2016-10-29 15:21:46] Boontjie : Rado: It was one
[2016-10-29 15:21:47] jesperf : beer helps too
[2016-10-29 15:21:49] Rado : I know it's a bad feeling, but they work when you are wrong
[2016-10-29 15:22:11] Boontjie : This has been the fastest turnaround on my position ever
[2016-10-29 15:22:11] AudibleScience : what is the deal with the lag!?
[2016-10-29 15:22:17] Boontjie : Enter short, market rockets
[2016-10-29 15:22:33] daveberns1 : mark prices and PNL seems to be stuck on some contracts
[2016-10-29 15:22:38] jesperf : exit short, market retraces..
[2016-10-29 15:22:43] Tetsuo : Boontjie: hold onto them
[2016-10-29 15:22:47] Boontjie : jesperf: dont do that
[2016-10-29 15:22:53] zcasher7777 : on poloniex 1zec is 4300dollar
[2016-10-29 15:22:57] aethlios : find a retrace to go long
[2016-10-29 15:22:57] zcasher7777 : is it normal yhhhhhhhhhhhhh
[2016-10-29 15:23:09] Boontjie : We have ascending RSI with that last jump
[2016-10-29 15:23:20] Boontjie : Do you want me to get liquidated
[2016-10-29 15:23:33] Rado : coinmarketcap did not add Zcash yet
[2016-10-29 15:23:49] numero : aethlios: can zec be traded on margin anywhere yet?
[2016-10-29 15:23:53] Tetsuo : lololol@XBTZ16
[2016-10-29 15:23:59] aethlios : numero: only here
[2016-10-29 15:24:02] Tetsuo : 400 Dollar discount
[2016-10-29 15:24:06] jesperf : was surprised to see kraken jump on zcash on day 1
[2016-10-29 15:24:23] numero : aethlios: ok, was looking last night atwhen it was still 15
[2016-10-29 15:24:43] sleger : Tetsuo: oh wow
[2016-10-29 15:25:08] aethlios : 30 dec. will have 330,000 coins, now has 326
[2016-10-29 15:25:10] javierstone : 725 on coinbase
[2016-10-29 15:26:15] Tetsuo : 325 on Bitmex
[2016-10-29 15:26:17] kogroken : So what just happened on XBTZ16?
[2016-10-29 15:26:46] Tetsuo : it´s a future, everyone knows it will drop to 300 by dec. 30
[2016-10-29 15:27:18] Boontjie : kogroken: Someone tried to liquidate everyone
[2016-10-29 15:27:26] blacktuesday : wtf was that
[2016-10-29 15:27:33] Boontjie : or fatfingered 30K
[2016-10-29 15:27:41] Tetsuo : it was only for ~50 contracts, maybe a glitch
[2016-10-29 15:27:54] kogroken : 318 lowest price?
[2016-10-29 15:28:08] sleger : i thought bitmex introduced a 350$ cap on bitcoin
[2016-10-29 15:28:19] rapidtrades : lol
[2016-10-29 15:28:23] blacktuesday : should have had some low bids
[2016-10-29 15:28:26] chromaticcr1 : okcrap got a liquidation of 1.5kBTC lol
[2016-10-29 15:28:26] Boontjie : kogroken: lowest bid
[2016-10-29 15:28:33] Boontjie : the orderbook was cleared
[2016-10-29 15:28:38] kogroken : Not anymore.
[2016-10-29 15:28:39] Boontjie : bidbook
[2016-10-29 15:28:49] Boontjie : took a few seconds
[2016-10-29 15:28:53] kogroken : placing $1 bid, if this is the game we are playing
[2016-10-29 15:28:54] Boontjie : I longed there
[2016-10-29 15:29:02] Tetsuo : there was a short squeeze for about >4k contracts @ quarterlys @okc
[2016-10-29 15:29:04] Boontjie : cheap btc on futures
[2016-10-29 15:29:23] zcasher7777 : on poloniex zec is satble at 6btc
[2016-10-29 15:30:15] rapidtrades : no shit....it's been above 6 for 12 hrs now
[2016-10-29 15:30:17] Boontjie : zcasher7777: because it has all been sold
[2016-10-29 15:30:21] Boontjie : wait for the miners
[2016-10-29 15:30:40] blacktuesday : so why its 1.1btc here? futures predict it to dump further?
[2016-10-29 15:30:50] rapidtrades : capMEX
[2016-10-29 15:31:03] Boontjie : blacktuesday: thats the theory, but {see rapditrades}
[2016-10-29 15:31:13] rapidtrades : i'm right
[2016-10-29 15:31:15] blacktuesday : thought it was capped at 10btc yesterday lol
[2016-10-29 15:31:16] Gemz : blacktuesday: yea 30 dec fpredicted 1 zec 1 btc as of now
[2016-10-29 15:31:39] sleger : the cap is at 2 now @blacktuesday
[2016-10-29 15:31:48] blacktuesday : thxs for info
[2016-10-29 15:31:49] Greg_Colbourn : blacktuesday: basically because there will be 1000x more on the market on Dec 30. Supply and demand. rapidtrades pretends that he doesn't know this
[2016-10-29 15:31:52] Boontjie : sleger: serious?
[2016-10-29 15:31:56] Gemz : those who bought cloud mining contract are rekt for zec
[2016-10-29 15:32:03] sleger : Boontjie: try to buy above 2 you will see
[2016-10-29 15:32:13] Boontjie : sleger: maybe on testnet
[2016-10-29 15:32:21] sleger : Boontjie: no cap on testnet
[2016-10-29 15:32:30] Boontjie : I am staying away from ZEC, I dont understand it
[2016-10-29 15:33:45] rapidtrades : he's lying i just placed one at 3
[2016-10-29 15:34:03] Greg_Colbourn : ZEC is different to all other altcoins in that it started trading when there was 0 supply (no premine, and trading started at launch). Predictable that the price would go ridiculously high and then crash
[2016-10-29 15:34:10] rapidtrades : f off
[2016-10-29 15:34:13] numero : I am staying away from tulips
[2016-10-29 15:34:15] chromaticcr1 : ** STOP FEEDING TROLLS**
[2016-10-29 15:34:37] rapidtrades : cash-settled futures must use an index....otherwise it's just a scam
[2016-10-29 15:34:43] rapidtrades : at least rename it to zcrap
[2016-10-29 15:34:48] rapidtrades : this is a joke
[2016-10-29 15:35:01] jordy : hi, bitmex...my sell order is stopped at 718.07 but day high is 715.75... why you cheat your clients?
[2016-10-29 15:35:09] rapidtrades : 1. use index 2. or just me my ZEC on dec 31
[2016-10-29 15:35:10] zcasher7777 : Boontjie: so in bitmex they are more volume than in poloniex?
[2016-10-29 15:35:18] sleger : jordy: for money obviously
[2016-10-29 15:35:18] chromaticcr1 : rapidtrades: what trigger are you on
[2016-10-29 15:35:19] rapidtrades : 2. give me ZEC
[2016-10-29 15:35:25] Boontjie : zcasher7777: no
[2016-10-29 15:35:25] rapidtrades : that was 2
[2016-10-29 15:35:28] Boontjie : the other way
[2016-10-29 15:35:30] Smartass : Greg_Colbourn: that theory got me margin called yesterday. Its true and i believe it but very problematic for trading futures....
[2016-10-29 15:35:50] zcasher7777 : Boontjie: poloniex have more
[2016-10-29 15:35:53] chromaticcr1 : jordy: is it last, mark or index, they are different
[2016-10-29 15:36:01] Smartass : 2 outlier ticks and your are gone...
[2016-10-29 15:36:05] Boontjie : zcasher7777: yes
[2016-10-29 15:36:19] jordy : XBT perpetual swap
[2016-10-29 15:36:25] zcasher7777 : Boontjie: so real money from the begining was in poloniex
[2016-10-29 15:36:25] jordy : chromaticcr1:
[2016-10-29 15:36:51] jordy : hi, bitmex...my sell order is stopped at 718.07 but day high is 715.75... why you cheat your clients?
[2016-10-29 15:37:00] Greg_Colbourn : Smartass: yeah, obviously shorters aren't immune to manipulators, and the many idiots who seem to be treating the futures contract as directly comparable to the spot price on day 1 under extreme low supply conditions
[2016-10-29 15:37:14] chromaticcr1 : jordy: go to order history, look at your stop price, put your mouse over it, there should be a message that "set trigger on ???? price"
[2016-10-29 15:37:49] rapidtrades : sleger: unlike the time when mex screwed u...yday .right after the cap prices crashed here
[2016-10-29 15:38:02] numero : why is my ADL risk so high now? I brought way more btc with me today?
[2016-10-29 15:38:04] rapidtrades : if u remember when they screwed u premiums stayed high for days after
[2016-10-29 15:38:06] chromaticcr1 : you probably set it on mark price. you should probably find support@bitmex.com if you really think shit have gone wrong
[2016-10-29 15:38:10] rapidtrades : u just panicked like a lil girl
[2016-10-29 15:38:27] Boontjie : zcasher7777: Yeah, but the total volume to date is higher in bitmex
[2016-10-29 15:38:31] rapidtrades : so im right like usual
[2016-10-29 15:38:32] jesperf : lil boys get panicky too
[2016-10-29 15:38:41] Boontjie : The problem is the open interest is 20 times less than volume
[2016-10-29 15:38:53] Boontjie : It means people are speculating insanely
[2016-10-29 15:39:48] zcasher7777 : Boontjie: in this insanity market i think the best to do is to wait
[2016-10-29 15:39:55] sleger : rapidtrades: you arguing with yourself again?
[2016-10-29 15:40:12] rapidtrades : sleger: im arguing with u frenchie
[2016-10-29 15:40:22] jordy : I must be screwed....my liq price is 714.4 and executed at 718.07 and I have seen this price even in 1 minuter chart
[2016-10-29 15:40:22] sleger : im not sure about what though
[2016-10-29 15:40:22] orly : zcasher7777: yep, wait for kraken or some other exchange to add proper margin trading
[2016-10-29 15:40:59] rapidtrades : sleger: well u said above my theory about low ZEC prices was wrong
[2016-10-29 15:41:09] Boontjie : zcasher7777: yes there is no shorting, so no arbitrage
[2016-10-29 15:41:14] sleger : rapidtrades: did i ?
[2016-10-29 15:41:40] rapidtrades : ppl actually came in here and said they shorted because of that cap...with a liq price right above
[2016-10-29 15:41:59] sleger : rapidtrades: makes sense
[2016-10-29 15:42:02] rapidtrades : AND they demanded more perks like adding limits
[2016-10-29 15:42:19] rapidtrades : cos they can margin more lol
[2016-10-29 15:42:38] sleger : never disagreed with that
[2016-10-29 15:42:56] EA_FTW : Interesting - there are only actually 125BTC chasing ZEC at prices above the price here. Most traders on Polo are sensible afterall..
[2016-10-29 15:43:47] aethlios : add limits, caps and floors and always have your seat belt on.
[2016-10-29 15:44:48] numero : is ASL risk greater when short?
[2016-10-29 15:44:54] numero : *ADL
[2016-10-29 15:44:58] orly : EA_FTW: I don't think the price here reflects the expected end of year price at all, just a weird mix of expected price + distrust of capmex
[2016-10-29 15:46:17] rapidtrades : sleger: hmmm my mistake
[2016-10-29 15:46:29] rapidtrades : it was prolly that Boontijie guy
[2016-10-29 15:47:15] Boontjie : rapidtrades: You said my name
[2016-10-29 15:47:49] rapidtrades : Boontjie: yea u suck
[2016-10-29 15:48:14] Boontjie : My feelings bro, they dont hurt
[2016-10-29 15:48:19] Boontjie : :)
[2016-10-29 15:48:21] Smartass : @Greg_Colbourn: yeah with the low liquidity and marking with last price your are very vulnerable indeed
[2016-10-29 15:48:42] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 23000 @ 713.71 **MEGA-REKT** :boom:
[2016-10-29 15:49:13] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 344 @ 711.56
[2016-10-29 15:49:22] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTZ16`: Sell 37 @ 743.85
[2016-10-29 15:49:22] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETC7D`: Buy 3 @ 0.001314
[2016-10-29 15:49:32] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTZ16`: Sell 1000 @ 743.06
[2016-10-29 15:49:52] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 50 @ 707.97
[2016-10-29 15:49:52] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 75112 @ 709.25 **EPIC REKT** :unamused: :confounded: :astonished:
[2016-10-29 15:49:52] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 2 @ 708.43 :punch: :whale:
[2016-10-29 15:50:10] Smartass : does somebody know what happens when you get margin called. Does the engine actually buy (closing short) the futures contracts. There asome specialties here on bitmex so maybe here too...
[2016-10-29 15:50:13] mjones : Xmr bouncing
[2016-10-29 15:50:19] thomaskikansha : epic rekt wow
[2016-10-29 15:50:23] mjones : Finally
[2016-10-29 15:51:51] numero : so rapidtrades, sleger you two communicate outside of trollbox?
[2016-10-29 15:52:23] rapidtrades : numero: no he's autistic
[2016-10-29 15:52:34] sleger : numero: why ?
[2016-10-29 15:53:10] chromaticcr1 : they are the only one in the troll box serving the purpose, trollin. You should leave, numero