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[2016-10-29 07:37:08] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 788 @ 701.66
[2016-10-29 07:38:59] +1 : aethlios: Hi. Ah.. missed on the ZEC action. What's your view on XBT?
[2016-10-29 07:39:21] aethlios : +1: the same since 575 I said 1200.
[2016-10-29 07:39:52] REKT : Liquidated long on `LSKXBT`: Sell 12 @ 0.000227
[2016-10-29 07:41:00] kradiav : ZEC on polo shitting its pants
[2016-10-29 07:43:02] sally : kradiav: its a no brainer that its going to be worth 1/10s what it is now in a few days
[2016-10-29 07:43:13] aethlios : +1: https://www.tradingview.com/x/YBor4iX0/
[2016-10-29 07:43:14] sally : miners just dump laughing all the way to the bank
[2016-10-29 07:43:24] kradiav : true
[2016-10-29 07:43:36] aethlios : +1: target previous ATH, then retrace to 950 and then new bull market above 1200
[2016-10-29 07:43:57] aethlios : +1: also zec long term short next 2 years
[2016-10-29 07:44:33] sally : aethlios: that btc chart looks spot on
[2016-10-29 07:45:22] aethlios : sally: we can't predict future, but it is possible.
[2016-10-29 07:45:44] habibi : i anyone here would listen aethlios yday he would be totally rekt, guys treat urself well and dont listen to noobs
[2016-10-29 07:45:48] habibi : if*
[2016-10-29 07:45:49] sally : aethlios: all I know is btc is great
[2016-10-29 07:49:38] +1 : aethlios: Thank you.
[2016-10-29 07:50:16] +1 : aethlios: LOL on ZEC -- 2 yrs prolly no volume?
[2016-10-29 07:52:35] aethlios : habibi: that's correct advice, but I am on the leader board first 10 positions.
[2016-10-29 07:53:07] kradiav : prove it
[2016-10-29 08:02:45] tiger888 : zec mining Cost is too high !!
[2016-10-29 08:10:52] REKT : Liquidated long on `FCTXBT`: Sell 100 @ 0.002966
[2016-10-29 08:11:00] Mm bot : When is Zcash adding Polo mark price?
[2016-10-29 08:38:06] rapidtrades : this is redic
[2016-10-29 08:38:19] BitMEX_Wally : https://blog.bitmex.com/site_announcement/note-on-zec-price-cap/
[2016-10-29 08:39:23] rapidtrades : BitMEX_Wally: u do realize we're now trading a completely fake market?
[2016-10-29 08:39:38] rapidtrades : noone here has ZECs, they're just pushing the price with BTC
[2016-10-29 08:40:48] BitMEX_Wally : The price here is less than on Poloniex
[2016-10-29 08:41:11] BitMEX_Wally : Oh, you mean pushing down
[2016-10-29 08:42:05] rapidtrades : yeah...pushing up, pushing down
[2016-10-29 08:42:05] BitMEX_Wally : Even if we moved to using the Poloniex price, there would be a large negative fair basis rate applied to it
[2016-10-29 08:42:29] BitMEX_Wally : So the mark price would not suddenly jump from 1.3 to 6.4
[2016-10-29 08:42:33] rapidtrades : it's not about ZEC anymore...it's about betting what rules u will make up for this future
[2016-10-29 08:42:44] rapidtrades : BitMEX_Wally: well that's just great
[2016-10-29 08:42:59] rapidtrades : BitMEX_Wally: and how much would that basis be
[2016-10-29 08:43:37] rapidtrades : there was nothing said yday about a fair basis
[2016-10-29 08:44:39] BitMEX_Wally : Our products are either marked to lastPrice or fairPrice. None of them get marked directly to the underlying index price
[2016-10-29 08:45:06] rapidtrades : i wannna see how u pull this off
[2016-10-29 08:45:22] rapidtrades : apply a -80% 'fair' basis no doubt
[2016-10-29 08:46:03] BitMEX_Wally : By applying the Impact Mid Price method to calculate the fair basis
[2016-10-29 08:46:24] BitMEX_Wally : As we do with all the other altcoin futures
[2016-10-29 08:47:22] BitMEX_Wally : When we announce the mark method change, we will also announce the fair basis method too
[2016-10-29 08:47:25] rapidtrades : that's very convenient
[2016-10-29 08:47:45] rapidtrades : guess it's my fault for jumping back in after u changed the rules yday
[2016-10-29 08:49:55] rapidtrades : give ppl a second chance to screw u and they will
[2016-10-29 08:50:03] rapidtrades : should've learn that with buttfinex
[2016-10-29 08:50:18] BitMEX_Wally : How did we screw you
[2016-10-29 08:52:42] REKT : Liquidated long on `ZECZ16`: Sell 1 @ 1.221429
[2016-10-29 08:53:11] rapidtrades : you should rename this contract to 'When and how will bitmex mark zcash to market'
[2016-10-29 08:53:28] rapidtrades : not zcash....cos there's nothing to do with zcash atm
[2016-10-29 08:53:48] REKT : Liquidated long on `ZECZ16`: Sell 1 @ 1.170000
[2016-10-29 08:53:48] REKT : Liquidated long on `ZECZ16`: Sell 2 @ 1.171875
[2016-10-29 08:53:53] chromaticcr1 : 1.89 @rapidtrades @BitMEX_Wally Perhaps inflation adjusted for the basis?
[2016-10-29 08:54:06] aethlios : rapidtrades: why don't you buy to 6???
[2016-10-29 08:54:53] lockhedge : rapidtrades: 24h after "Over 1000 ZEC/day volume" is reached on a spot exchange
[2016-10-29 08:56:02] sally : so more contract changes?
[2016-10-29 08:56:07] sally : wtf is this?
[2016-10-29 08:56:29] sally : ZEC will be worthless on december settlement and I want that to not change
[2016-10-29 08:57:23] lockhedge : it's not a change of the contract, they just gave more specific information about when the mark method will be changed
[2016-10-29 08:58:02] sally : well thats a change of contract
[2016-10-29 08:59:06] rapidtrades : exactly...
[2016-10-29 08:59:06] lockhedge : no it always had been at their discretion to change the mark method
[2016-10-29 08:59:32] rapidtrades : great im sure ppl will want to trade on a site that does that
[2016-10-29 09:00:35] sally : fact: ZEC will be worthless on december. Now let me trade that without any BS
[2016-10-29 09:00:43] rapidtrades : funny thing is there's a 1% chance ZEC lives up to the hype and prices stay above 10...what then?
[2016-10-29 09:00:56] rapidtrades : they're counting on this being a one-way bet
[2016-10-29 09:01:17] sally : the 10btc limit was the dirtiest thing Ive ever seen a trade platform do
[2016-10-29 09:03:29] sally : but hey, this is crypto just dont act like saints and we are all good
[2016-10-29 09:03:29] omicron : sally: you haven't heard about the 'hookers and blow' fund?
[2016-10-29 09:04:09] sally : omicron: lol, yeah. Show me some numbers on how that was spent hahaha
[2016-10-29 09:04:16] laisee : would u prefer it all to be held within trad banking industry and everything vetted by CFTC?
[2016-10-29 09:04:30] sally : laisee: no. I love this shit
[2016-10-29 09:04:49] sally : just dont like it when I see how people where fucked
[2016-10-29 09:04:55] rapidtrades : i would prefer if we had some regulation yes
[2016-10-29 09:05:11] rapidtrades : cos it's hard to get justice now if screw
[2016-10-29 09:05:13] laisee : cool. I think wall st & all of finance is there for anyone who needs it.
[2016-10-29 09:05:54] laisee : rapidtrades: civil law not enough for getting justice?
[2016-10-29 09:06:28] rapidtrades : how are u gonna apply civil law with companies in BVI or Seychelles
[2016-10-29 09:06:41] rapidtrades : takes thousands of dollars to sue
[2016-10-29 09:06:47] laisee : civil law + $$$ - can be done
[2016-10-29 09:06:53] rapidtrades : not worth it for small investors
[2016-10-29 09:07:05] rapidtrades : exactly...regulation is there to protect the small fish
[2016-10-29 09:07:28] laisee : perhaps small investors should stay awy from bleeding edge of crypto finance, then?
[2016-10-29 09:07:31] rapidtrades : that's why 'accredited investors' are free to do as they please and invest in any crap they want
[2016-10-29 09:08:25] laisee : exactly. if you want or need regulation then maybe crypto space is not the right one to be in
[2016-10-29 09:08:55] pmicklon : laisee: +1
[2016-10-29 09:09:48] rapidtrades : doesn't matter...it will get rgulated in a few yrs just like everything
[2016-10-29 09:10:41] laisee : maybe ... Bitcoin & others are protocols. They can keep mytating faster than regulators can move.
[2016-10-29 09:10:56] laisee : ^mytating^mutating
[2016-10-29 09:11:19] rapidtrades : well if u want to trade u will have to follow regulations
[2016-10-29 09:13:12] Coach_Z : zec needs 50% limits again
[2016-10-29 09:13:26] Coach_Z : otherwise shorts can't short very much
[2016-10-29 09:13:30] Coach_Z : or risk getting squeezed
[2016-10-29 09:13:46] rapidtrades : maybe u shouldn't push ur luck?
[2016-10-29 09:13:57] Coach_Z : my liq price is over 10
[2016-10-29 09:13:58] rapidtrades : being at 80% below actual market?
[2016-10-29 09:14:15] rapidtrades : ^^^ and this is what limits do....my liq is above 10
[2016-10-29 09:14:24] rapidtrades : f rettard
[2016-10-29 09:15:07] Coach_Z : limit should be 50% every 8 hours. Not 1000% like it is now.
[2016-10-29 09:15:25] rapidtrades : dude....haven't u gotten enough help from bitmex?
[2016-10-29 09:15:37] Coach_Z : help?
[2016-10-29 09:15:42] Coach_Z : how did they help?
[2016-10-29 09:15:55] rapidtrades : they capped ur loss...they will mark it to some magic fairy dust price when they remove the cap
[2016-10-29 09:16:02] rapidtrades : ur trading a fake market u dummy @Coach_Z
[2016-10-29 09:16:24] RoftheN : damn I wish I was rich enough to short yesterday, but I don't even have 3 BTC play money
[2016-10-29 09:16:57] Coach_Z : i wasn't short when it was at the cap of 10
[2016-10-29 09:17:07] Coach_Z : so they never capped my loss
[2016-10-29 09:17:27] rapidtrades : they always capped ur loss...
[2016-10-29 09:17:55] rapidtrades : really want to see this thing rally and stay above 10-20
[2016-10-29 09:17:55] Coach_Z : longs have a cap at 0
[2016-10-29 09:18:05] Coach_Z : oh you are long, rapid?
[2016-10-29 09:18:12] rapidtrades : just to see them scaramble and try to justify why they're not marking it to market
[2016-10-29 09:18:56] BitMEX_Wally : rapidtrades: If we had marked the quantos to the spot price you would have been screaming
[2016-10-29 09:19:13] chromaticcr1 : BitMEX_Wally: lol, i like how you phrase it
[2016-10-29 09:19:16] rapidtrades : BitMEX_Wally: not rly, i traded tiny over there
[2016-10-29 09:19:17] RoftheN : I think the 10 BTC cap was a very reasonable thing to do
[2016-10-29 09:19:18] Coach_Z : BitMEX_Wally: any chance of puttiing the 50% limits back?
[2016-10-29 09:19:39] Coach_Z : otherwise, shorts have market manipulation risk
[2016-10-29 09:19:41] rapidtrades : dude u can not be srs
[2016-10-29 09:19:52] Coach_Z : the reason it was there in the first place
[2016-10-29 09:19:53] rapidtrades : can u f*cking believe this guy ^^^
[2016-10-29 09:20:03] Coach_Z : someone could come in with 200 BTC and drive the price up to 10
[2016-10-29 09:20:08] rapidtrades : how about just gives the shorts blank checks bitmex
[2016-10-29 09:20:29] rapidtrades : just take whatever's left of my ZEC long and trasfered to this f*ck ^^^
[2016-10-29 09:20:45] rapidtrades : f*Cking retard
[2016-10-29 09:20:53] RoftheN : Lol
[2016-10-29 09:20:53] Coach_Z : i don't understand why you're still long, rapid
[2016-10-29 09:20:54] chromaticcr1 : rapidtrades: well this is a "futures" contract, it is just that too many idiots on the market trading it as spot
[2016-10-29 09:21:14] rapidtrades : Coach_Z: becos the market is at 7 dummy
[2016-10-29 09:21:14] Coach_Z : 7 contracts available at 1... free money
[2016-10-29 09:21:30] Coach_Z : what part of *futures* don't you understand?
[2016-10-29 09:21:32] chromaticcr1 : and not enough smart people who are shotring the hell out of it to take the blank cheque
[2016-10-29 09:21:38] RoftheN : it's sad that 1 ZEC is the minimum though, why not 0.01 ZEC :(
[2016-10-29 09:21:47] chromaticcr1 : smart people with deep pockets, should i say
[2016-10-29 09:21:53] kryptopojken : Coach_Z: the liquidation part?
[2016-10-29 09:22:28] RoftheN : Coach_Z someone could easily pump it back to 4, I don't think people can dump it much further, we're not trading realistically for December here
[2016-10-29 09:23:17] Coach_Z : right now, to short, you need 9 BTC to cover a short at 1 and not be liquidated before december
[2016-10-29 09:23:48] Coach_Z : if you only have 5 BTC, it could reasonably spike to 7 before december. someone comes in with a few hundred btc and just dumps it
[2016-10-29 09:23:53] chromaticcr1 : and worst yet, the idiotic-ness actually cause the shitfest yesterday and kinda penalized those who aren't parepared for the incoming of retards
[2016-10-29 09:24:04] rapidtrades : Coach_Z: well then don't be short
[2016-10-29 09:24:10] kryptopojken : Coach_Z: dude theyre gonbna remove the 10 wall price
[2016-10-29 09:24:14] rapidtrades : that' the risk u run for shorting 80% below market
[2016-10-29 09:24:18] kryptopojken : u CAN get margin called
[2016-10-29 09:24:39] Coach_Z : by the time they remove it, zec will be spot trading below 1
[2016-10-29 09:24:43] rapidtrades : u can not only get margin called but locked in a limit up and lose everything
[2016-10-29 09:25:02] Coach_Z : and they will announce the removal
[2016-10-29 09:25:05] rapidtrades : depending on where polo will be trading when they remove it
[2016-10-29 09:25:19] rapidtrades : Coach_Z: and when they announce it price will instatly adjust
[2016-10-29 09:25:30] rapidtrades : hope u have fast fingers, bitch
[2016-10-29 09:25:43] Coach_Z : if the polo spot is below 1, the price here won't jump up to 10
[2016-10-29 09:25:58] rapidtrades : right...problem is polo is at 7
[2016-10-29 09:26:15] chromaticcr1 : grab a fast lane bro https://fiber.google.com/about/ ;)
[2016-10-29 09:26:17] rapidtrades : there's 139 btc above 2.2
[2016-10-29 09:26:23] Coach_Z : rapid, twice as many coins get mined tomorrow, as they did today
[2016-10-29 09:26:56] rapidtrades : i think ppl know that already
[2016-10-29 09:27:05] Coach_Z : actually, 3x
[2016-10-29 09:27:16] aethlios : fresh zcash are mined now to dump to polo next hours.
[2016-10-29 09:27:47] Coach_Z : total supply tomorrow will be 400% today
[2016-10-29 09:27:58] rapidtrades : who cares....it would take 150 btc to bring down polo to our level
[2016-10-29 09:28:09] aethlios : below 1 in 2 days on polo, here 0.4
[2016-10-29 09:28:34] laisee : its going down - question is when & how.
[2016-10-29 09:28:42] Coach_Z : i would insta short all 7 of those 1.0 contracts if bitmex put in 50% limits every 8 hours again.
[2016-10-29 09:29:00] Coach_Z : to give me time in case someone market manipulates
[2016-10-29 09:29:11] rapidtrades : bitmex please bring back 50% limits and remove the mark thanks
[2016-10-29 09:29:16] rapidtrades : as per idiot request above
[2016-10-29 09:29:23] Coach_Z : thanks @rapidtrades !
[2016-10-29 09:29:24] rapidtrades : remove the cap*
[2016-10-29 09:29:26] laisee : Coach_Z: how much time does it tsake to manipulate markets? seconds.
[2016-10-29 09:29:29] rapidtrades : THE CAP
[2016-10-29 09:29:52] Coach_Z : sure, bring in 50% limits every 8 hours and remove the cap please!
[2016-10-29 09:30:11] Coach_Z : i don't think support is listening
[2016-10-29 09:30:17] rapidtrades : this is such a scam market
[2016-10-29 09:30:22] REKT : Liquidated long on `XMR7D`: Sell 2 @ 0.007620
[2016-10-29 09:30:33] laisee : why not create Google sheet and run your own OTC market. Easy money, right?
[2016-10-29 09:30:33] lockhedge : rapidtrades: you are trading ZEC?
[2016-10-29 09:30:53] rapidtrades : why even do a future with so many restrictions
[2016-10-29 09:31:00] rapidtrades : it's like bailout central here now
[2016-10-29 09:31:08] rapidtrades : bitmex do this, bitmex do that
[2016-10-29 09:31:47] Coach_Z : if you like money, rapid, please don't be long
[2016-10-29 09:32:16] Tetsuo : if you like rapid please suck his dong
[2016-10-29 09:32:32] REKT : Liquidated long on `XMR7D`: Sell 100 @ 0.007555
[2016-10-29 09:32:44] rapidtrades : Tetsuo: :)
[2016-10-29 09:32:53] Coach_Z : wow that's pretty good, rhyming pentameter
[2016-10-29 09:32:57] laisee : good value in the leftovers IMO.
[2016-10-29 09:33:02] REKT : Liquidated long on `XMR7D`: Sell 70 @ 0.007421
[2016-10-29 09:33:22] Coach_Z : i love that the liquidation username is REKT
[2016-10-29 09:36:13] Kahir : :D
[2016-10-29 09:45:34] Coach_Z : BitMEX_Wally: any chance of puttiing the 50% limits back for the original reasons they were in place?
[2016-10-29 09:45:51] Coach_Z : also remove the cap for rapidatrades
[2016-10-29 09:50:50] aethlios : smooth trading for zec
[2016-10-29 09:54:50] Coach_Z : how do you mean aethlios?
[2016-10-29 09:55:01] Coach_Z : zec kinda dead now
[2016-10-29 09:55:33] aethlios : Coach_Z: no I don't mean about your comment, just that the day is more calm today.
[2016-10-29 09:55:53] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 3032 @ 0.01544
[2016-10-29 09:56:01] Coach_Z : it was awesome to see a coin worth $600k
[2016-10-29 09:56:13] Coach_Z : i think it was higher
[2016-10-29 09:56:24] aethlios : the limit is useful, will help people open positions and not afraid manipulation, I agree with you.
[2016-10-29 09:56:40] Coach_Z : thank you please ping support
[2016-10-29 09:56:51] Coach_Z : I would take a much bigger position with limits
[2016-10-29 09:56:58] Coach_Z : but frankly, I think this market is dead
[2016-10-29 09:57:00] rapidtrades : i bet u would
[2016-10-29 09:57:17] rapidtrades : Coach_Z: tell me what's ur BTC address....lemme just send u my money right now
[2016-10-29 09:57:34] rapidtrades : so we don't have to go through with this charade
[2016-10-29 09:57:49] Coach_Z : how kind of you
[2016-10-29 09:58:08] aethlios : yes better adjustable limits so bulls can dream 30 btc price, and 8 hours burden gives time to watch what polo does. if limits had stayed the mess wouldn't happen.
[2016-10-29 09:58:41] rapidtrades : aethlios: how stupid are u dude....limits were dumb back then and more so now
[2016-10-29 09:58:54] rapidtrades : it says ZEC....it should follow zes price
[2016-10-29 09:59:07] rapidtrades : only reason it doesn't is cos bitmex decided to bailout the shorties
[2016-10-29 09:59:17] rapidtrades : why idk...doesn't make it right tho
[2016-10-29 09:59:35] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 500 @ 0.01540
[2016-10-29 09:59:41] rapidtrades : u can't ask for limits just becos it suits u now
[2016-10-29 09:59:42] aethlios : zec now has a limited supply, in 3 months ok remove limits and mark to spot.
[2016-10-29 09:59:48] rapidtrades : what if we crash to 0.1 on polo
[2016-10-29 09:59:57] rapidtrades : aethlios: great
[2016-10-29 10:00:05] rapidtrades : take this idiot advice pls
[2016-10-29 10:00:38] rapidtrades : this is the same guy who 'invested' in buttfinex
[2016-10-29 10:00:44] rapidtrades : telling u how to run the exchange
[2016-10-29 10:00:49] rapidtrades : plz take his advice
[2016-10-29 10:01:28] aethlios : crash to 0.1 is the same as pump to 2000 btc, ok traders can move price to limit up or down, if spot stays 0.1 then contract will finally reach that price.
[2016-10-29 10:01:34] Coach_Z : it wouldn't matter if limits were removed, nothing is hyping the coin to 10 again
[2016-10-29 10:01:59] aethlios : Coach_Z: manipulator can run the book
[2016-10-29 10:02:33] rapidtrades : yea a manipulator who sees the actual price on the market....EIGHT
[2016-10-29 10:03:03] Coach_Z : "fuuuu-turres"
[2016-10-29 10:03:08] rapidtrades : that would be some f*cking manipulation would'nt it
[2016-10-29 10:03:29] rapidtrades : u running the price at 80 below market, taht's not maniulation no
[2016-10-29 10:03:46] rapidtrades : greedy f*cks
[2016-10-29 10:03:56] rapidtrades : at least keep ur bailout mouths shut
[2016-10-29 10:03:58] aethlios : better to have adjustable limits per 8 hours than cap, until polo has adequate volume to be able to mark to spot index. that's my opinion.
[2016-10-29 10:04:12] rapidtrades : whatever, could care less either way
[2016-10-29 10:04:53] lopol : So how does zec mark price 1.225 reflect to polo 8? Doesnt make sense to me
[2016-10-29 10:05:10] rapidtrades : it doesn't...up to bitmex discretion now
[2016-10-29 10:05:18] Coach_Z : lopol, we're betting on the price when it expires in dec 30th
[2016-10-29 10:06:31] rapidtrades : not rly, we're betting on when and how will bitmex mark to market
[2016-10-29 10:07:32] aethlios : soon spot 2.5 btc, here 0.6
[2016-10-29 10:08:17] aethlios : rapidtrades: dump your longs now that you can, stop dreaming 50 price
[2016-10-29 10:09:59] lopol : So someone who shorted yesterday at price 10 would have made huge profits cause price is now little over 1?
[2016-10-29 10:10:20] Tetsuo : maybe?
[2016-10-29 10:10:51] lopol : damn so easy money
[2016-10-29 10:11:22] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC7D`: Sell 2923 @ 0.001354
[2016-10-29 10:14:37] rapidtrades : zec back up to 9.5
[2016-10-29 10:14:47] rapidtrades : bitmex playing with fire here
[2016-10-29 10:17:58] lockhedge : rapidtrades: only 249 ZEC have been mined and only 18 ZEC sell orders (vs. 66 here) on polo.
[2016-10-29 10:18:08] aethlios : lopol: to much fear to short there (10) we didn't know what will happen with the cap
[2016-10-29 10:18:21] Tetsuo : zec back to 15-20 on polo today!
[2016-10-29 10:18:36] Tetsuo : fair price for a fair coin
[2016-10-29 10:21:10] aethlios : all alts dead as btc marches and still below 1000.
[2016-10-29 10:21:57] aethlios : only logic explanation is buyers buy at 10 as a souvenir
[2016-10-29 10:22:21] dasdfasdf : They see it as a collectible
[2016-10-29 10:23:24] aethlios : show to grandchildren....
[2016-10-29 10:24:25] lopol : Isn't there amy market making by bitmex or are all the orders from traders?
[2016-10-29 10:24:25] mjmj83 : Many here forget that this is a future here at Bitmex... it makes a lot of sense that this is trading below polo's price.
[2016-10-29 10:25:56] aethlios : eth falling fast, polo has a new toy now
[2016-10-29 10:26:33] aethlios : zec a good first attempt, at next overhyped coin bitmex will be prepared.
[2016-10-29 10:27:45] zanza : how is the Casino going today boys ?
[2016-10-29 10:28:53] Tetsuo : zanza: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_05qJTeNNI&feature=youtu.be&t=12s
[2016-10-29 10:29:11] aethlios : calm session today.
[2016-10-29 10:29:30] zanza : :o
[2016-10-29 10:29:55] zanza : calm session, ZEC only traded in 1000% ranges
[2016-10-29 10:30:23] lopol : So is there information how zec mining will generrate nyt zecs?
[2016-10-29 10:30:29] Tetsuo : i´m honest guys, i´m buying some XMR here
[2016-10-29 10:30:41] zanza : cheap XMR
[2016-10-29 10:31:18] kryptopojken : polo down
[2016-10-29 10:31:36] Tetsuo : hacked and robbed?
[2016-10-29 10:31:48] aethlios : next leg btc up next few hours, 3month could hit 800
[2016-10-29 10:32:14] Tetsuo : yep
[2016-10-29 10:32:14] zanza : all this segwit chaos is going to hit soon
[2016-10-29 10:32:24] zanza : ViaBTC is blocking Core/SegWit activation
[2016-10-29 10:32:44] zanza : bearish imo
[2016-10-29 10:32:51] aethlios : zanza: when you think the new wallet goes live?
[2016-10-29 10:33:05] zanza : what do you mean?
[2016-10-29 10:33:28] aethlios : the new features will be in a new version? 0.14?
[2016-10-29 10:34:00] aethlios : i don't understand tech issues a lot, only basic after a lot of research
[2016-10-29 10:34:01] Techemy : lol bearish
[2016-10-29 10:34:13] Techemy : cya on the moon
[2016-10-29 10:35:50] Techemy : next stop 5k cny
[2016-10-29 10:36:19] aethlios : let's test 800, last resistance before previous ATH 1175 usd
[2016-10-29 10:37:38] Techemy : i think it will bounce from 725 back down then ATH from there. merry xmas
[2016-10-29 10:38:02] aethlios : zanza: what is your opinion about xmr from tech perspective?
[2016-10-29 10:38:41] zanza : not too much, I have read that with higher volume XMR breaks down meaning it scales greater than linearly
[2016-10-29 10:39:15] aethlios : zanza: it is totally different than btc code?
[2016-10-29 10:40:10] writlarge : yes, it's a separate code base
[2016-10-29 10:45:15] Tetsuo : well maybe i wait till 0.005 until startin buyin XMR
[2016-10-29 10:46:00] Tetsuo : BTC the alt slayer knows no mercy
[2016-10-29 10:47:49] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 500 @ 704.32
[2016-10-29 10:47:49] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 7260 @ 703.63
[2016-10-29 10:47:52] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 100 @ 704.37
[2016-10-29 10:51:14] lopol : Does bitmex offer market making or are all the orders from traders?
[2016-10-29 10:51:43] Tetsuo : no one knows
[2016-10-29 10:52:11] aethlios : zec has different fees 0 maker 0.25% taker
[2016-10-29 10:56:18] zanza : Honestly, the problem with Monero, fully anonymous, is that if Monero becomes known as just the drug dealer/illegal activity coin, then it will be regulated at the state level
[2016-10-29 10:57:11] zanza : so every monero transaction would be considered shady
[2016-10-29 10:57:54] zanza : idk, I still would prefer Bitcoin anonymous solutions a few ideas are proposed
[2016-10-29 10:58:11] writlarge : also a problem with zec, maybe even moreso, because there is a central company behind it
[2016-10-29 10:58:16] zanza : also I like smart contracts on Bitcoin also (rootstock) having too many alts just confuses things
[2016-10-29 10:58:55] zanza : yeah XMR = federal reserve
[2016-10-29 11:00:20] aethlios : zanza: thanks for the info.
[2016-10-29 11:03:33] REKT : Liquidated short on `ZECZ16`: Buy 1 @ 1.319968
[2016-10-29 11:06:01] fiq : is zec going up or down? which is more likely? and why?
[2016-10-29 11:06:10] rapidtrades : i think thats the first liquuidated short since bitmex started manipulating the marked
[2016-10-29 11:09:05] Tetsuo : do we know the names of these manipulators and y isn´t police arresting them?
[2016-10-29 11:11:52] Tetsuo : Trump is not going to be amused when he hears about the ZEC manipulations! He will jail em all!
[2016-10-29 11:16:47] laisee : Bill & Hilary are mining ZEC
[2016-10-29 11:17:08] rapidtrades : has zec mining difficulty adjusted
[2016-10-29 11:17:25] Gemz : why is the btc price lower than other exchanges?
[2016-10-29 11:17:40] laisee : yes. going up slowly
[2016-10-29 11:19:23] laisee : "difficulty" : 25914.81278858,
[2016-10-29 11:22:01] cryptor : guys, .. quick fee question .. does the BTC swap cost 0.517% fee a day ? (1,001719^3-1) ?
[2016-10-29 11:22:56] rapidtrades : nope
[2016-10-29 11:23:15] cryptor : what does it cost then ?
[2016-10-29 11:23:32] rapidtrades : 0.517%
[2016-10-29 11:23:39] rapidtrades : u'll pay it in 37 mins
[2016-10-29 11:23:59] rapidtrades : wait...
[2016-10-29 11:24:04] cryptor : thats what I said right? 0.517%?
[2016-10-29 11:24:05] rapidtrades : it says 0.17
[2016-10-29 11:24:20] rapidtrades : that's what u'll pay now
[2016-10-29 11:24:28] rapidtrades : and 0.3% in 8 hrs...if ur long
[2016-10-29 11:24:33] cryptor : yes therefore: 1,001719^3-1
[2016-10-29 11:24:36] rapidtrades : shorts receive that
[2016-10-29 11:24:50] rapidtrades : no.....every 8h period is calculated seperately
[2016-10-29 11:25:22] cryptor : ok, but 0.517% a day is an enormous fee
[2016-10-29 11:25:33] cryptor : thats 557% a year
[2016-10-29 11:25:46] rapidtrades : u got it
[2016-10-29 11:25:57] cryptor : who does that?
[2016-10-29 11:26:09] rapidtrades : average is 40-60% per annum from our records
[2016-10-29 11:26:22] rapidtrades : but we're going up now...so longs pay the price
[2016-10-29 11:27:32] rapidtrades : more then usual :)
[2016-10-29 11:27:43] cryptor : ok, so just to be sure fee for futures is 0,075% (taker) + 0.05% (settlement) = 0,125% correct?
[2016-10-29 11:28:04] rapidtrades : no the swap never settles
[2016-10-29 11:28:19] cryptor : I mean for the future contract
[2016-10-29 11:28:25] rapidtrades : yeah
[2016-10-29 11:28:34] rapidtrades : sounds about right
[2016-10-29 11:29:03] cryptor : so fee wise just for a day its 0.125% (future) vs. 0.517% (swap)
[2016-10-29 11:29:15] cryptor : is that correct?
[2016-10-29 11:29:56] rapidtrades : kinda....but that 0.517% is a trasfer from longs to short, not a fee per say
[2016-10-29 11:30:47] cryptor : I just don't get why anyone would use the swap if you have the choice to take the future
[2016-10-29 11:30:52] rapidtrades : also it's dynamic, it changes all the time...generall tho longs pay
[2016-10-29 11:31:07] rapidtrades : leverage, liquidity
[2016-10-29 11:31:18] rapidtrades : also if u long the future u pay $40 premium irght away
[2016-10-29 11:31:19] cryptor : leverage is the same by now right?
[2016-10-29 11:31:26] rapidtrades : right
[2016-10-29 11:31:28] cryptor : 100 for both instruments
[2016-10-29 11:31:36] rapidtrades : so liquidity :)
[2016-10-29 11:32:17] rapidtrades : costs for future are front-loaded...so if we crash u could see that $40 premium halve right away
[2016-10-29 11:32:54] rapidtrades : in any case, it's very expensive to long BTC here
[2016-10-29 11:33:05] cryptor : thats what I think yeah
[2016-10-29 11:33:51] cryptor : I mean you need to make more than 557% per year with the swap just to be even ...
[2016-10-29 11:36:44] rapidtrades : cheapest long here is JPY weekly i think it has same premium as on okc
[2016-10-29 11:36:50] rapidtrades : around $5
[2016-10-29 11:36:51] cryptor : one more question ... swap (XBTUSD) seems to have ~ 4800 bitcoin volume while future (XBTZ16 ) has only 440
[2016-10-29 11:37:16] rapidtrades : right...it's lot more liquid
[2016-10-29 11:37:20] cryptor : so apparently x10 times more people use the swap
[2016-10-29 11:37:37] rapidtrades : yes, lot of stupid ppl here
[2016-10-29 11:37:42] cryptor : :)
[2016-10-29 11:38:08] cryptor : ok crazy thanks for your help :)
[2016-10-29 11:38:16] rapidtrades : :)
[2016-10-29 11:40:22] rapidtrades : are pools releasing their ZECs?
[2016-10-29 11:40:45] cryptor : just one more thing ... you can't have long and short positions in the swap at the same time right? while you can do that with the futures
[2016-10-29 11:41:15] dasdfasdf : with different settlement dates
[2016-10-29 11:41:25] dasdfasdf : swap doesnt have any
[2016-10-29 11:42:35] rapidtrades : cryptor: u can't be long and short on the same instrument
[2016-10-29 11:42:58] cryptor : but with futures you can right?
[2016-10-29 11:43:21] cryptor : on okcoin you can be long and short on the same instrument
[2016-10-29 11:43:26] cryptor : on okcoin
[2016-10-29 11:43:35] cryptor : oh its censors my words
[2016-10-29 11:43:42] cryptor : i mean the ok exchange
[2016-10-29 11:44:22] cryptor : so can you be long and short in a futures instrument here on bitmex
[2016-10-29 11:44:42] cryptor : at the same time I mean
[2016-10-29 11:45:18] rapidtrades : nope
[2016-10-29 11:45:42] cryptor : thats really bad
[2016-10-29 11:45:54] cryptor : why is that not allowed?
[2016-10-29 11:46:06] rapidtrades : idk...reasons
[2016-10-29 11:46:23] rapidtrades : we asked to change it and they won't so it's pointless battle
[2016-10-29 11:47:17] cryptor : ok thanks again for clarifikation ...
[2016-10-29 11:47:27] rapidtrades : one zec cloud mining firm turned out to be a scam
[2016-10-29 11:47:42] dasdfasdf : imagine that
[2016-10-29 11:47:43] dasdfasdf : only 1?
[2016-10-29 11:47:51] Tetsuo : we are also still waiting for those additional buttons, "close short/long"
[2016-10-29 11:48:06] kogroken : yeah
[2016-10-29 11:48:41] dasdfasdf : Tetsuo: Whats wrong with current close button/
[2016-10-29 11:49:10] Tetsuo : if you hit it twice by accident you open a position in the different direction
[2016-10-29 11:49:17] rapidtrades : wow is that true
[2016-10-29 11:49:36] Tetsuo : rapidtrades: plz stop trolling
[2016-10-29 11:49:47] rapidtrades : ...
[2016-10-29 11:50:19] rapidtrades : is it true or not? i'm not a retard who hits buttons twice so wouldn't know
[2016-10-29 11:50:33] Tetsuo : yes, it´s true
[2016-10-29 11:51:20] rapidtrades : can anyone who's not Tetsuo confirm?
[2016-10-29 11:51:38] rapidtrades : he has a propensity toward lying
[2016-10-29 11:51:51] Tetsuo : WTF`? Succ accustions
[2016-10-29 11:52:45] Tetsuo : buy then zec, then hit sell 10 zec twice and see what´s going to happen for yourself
[2016-10-29 11:53:13] rapidtrades : right...just buy this coin that costs $1000 to test
[2016-10-29 11:53:48] rapidtrades : now 24 ZECs in asks on polo
[2016-10-29 11:55:22] rapidtrades : there's over 170 BTC to chew through until we hit 1.3 on polo
[2016-10-29 11:55:48] rapidtrades : afaik that's more then ZECs in existence right now
[2016-10-29 11:57:03] fiq : how come 24 zec
[2016-10-29 11:58:37] Greg_Colbourn : This is all you need to know: https://z.cash/blog/slow-start-and-mining-ecosystem.html Supply and demand. There will be 1000x more ZEC on Dec 30th, so comparing spot price to this futures contract is stupid
[2016-10-29 12:02:04] Gemz : what do the 5 bars mean next to the price?
[2016-10-29 12:02:25] chromaticcr1 : Gemz: u gonna have fun when ADL happens
[2016-10-29 12:04:29] Gemz : lets say my liq price is 700, will adl get me out higher than 700 or also at 700?
[2016-10-29 12:07:58] BitMEX_Wally : Gemz: If you are long then you would only get ADL if the price rose and some shorts got liquidated but not closed out. So you would be closed out above the current price at a profit
[2016-10-29 12:08:38] kryptopojken : BitMEX_Wally: how can one prevent ADL?
[2016-10-29 12:09:43] BitMEX_Wally : Positions are ranked based on unrealised profit and effective leverage, so you can reduce leverage or take profit to prevent ADL
[2016-10-29 12:09:52] BitMEX_Wally : More information here: https://www.bitmex.com/app/autoDeleveraging
[2016-10-29 12:10:01] kryptopojken : ok thx
[2016-10-29 12:10:24] Gemz : BitMEX_Wally: atm i have 1 green bar, so the chances of adl are low right?
[2016-10-29 12:10:39] BitMEX_Wally : Yes
[2016-10-29 12:10:50] lopol : how about shorting and adl?
[2016-10-29 12:11:04] kryptopojken : i have 3 green bars even though im on cross margin, why is this? I have a lot of spare btc
[2016-10-29 12:11:44] BitMEX_Wally : kryptopojken: There might be lots of short positions with the same leverage who have slightly less profit so you are relatively higher ranked
[2016-10-29 12:11:59] kryptopojken : i see
[2016-10-29 12:12:19] lopol : BitMEX_Wally: do bitmex offer market making or are all the offers from traders?
[2016-10-29 12:12:48] BitMEX_Wally : lopol: All orders are from traders
[2016-10-29 12:12:55] Gemz : BitMEX_Wally: can u get adl's when the 5 bars arent full or must they all 5 get full in order to get adl
[2016-10-29 12:13:00] BitMEX_Wally : Some of them are professional market makers. BitMEX does not trade here
[2016-10-29 12:14:01] BitMEX_Wally : Gemz: The bars just show your quintile in the queue. You could be all 5 bars but unless there is an ADL event you won't be ADLd
[2016-10-29 12:30:18] Gemz : why isnt the realized pnl moving, only unrealized moves
[2016-10-29 12:30:50] BitMEX_Wally : RealisedPNL moves when you realise PNL by closing a position, or paying/receiving funding
[2016-10-29 12:36:27] rapidtrades : 1.1 vs 7....what a fake 'ZEC' market
[2016-10-29 12:37:01] rapidtrades : we've come from removing limits and marking to market to capping price until we feel time is right
[2016-10-29 12:37:03] chromaticcr1 : this is not a fuc_ing spot market
[2016-10-29 12:37:18] rapidtrades : chromaticcr1: f*ck u
[2016-10-29 12:37:34] chromaticcr1 : XBTZ16 is trading at 740, how fake
[2016-10-29 12:37:46] rapidtrades : THAT'S NOT 80% DISCOUNT IS IT
[2016-10-29 12:38:02] rapidtrades : jesus christ u ppl will use anything to justify ur stupidity
[2016-10-29 12:38:04] BitMEX_Wally : I think rapidtrades is just trolling so sleger comes online and bitch slaps him as usual
[2016-10-29 12:38:08] chromaticcr1 : when you take into acount of inflation (aka fair basis)
[2016-10-29 12:38:15] chromaticcr1 : BitMEX_Wally: lol
[2016-10-29 12:38:25] rapidtrades : BitMEX_Wally: sleger and me are friends...we haven't fought in ages
[2016-10-29 12:38:40] sleger : rapidtrades: doesnt your brain fit in your super tiny apartment ?
[2016-10-29 12:38:46] chromaticcr1 : your nose is grwing, i suppose
[2016-10-29 12:39:01] BitMEX_Wally : ZECZ16 can trade freely between 0.000001 and 10 XBT for now. I don't see it hitting these limits
[2016-10-29 12:39:20] rapidtrades : it just hit them few hrs ago
[2016-10-29 12:39:31] rapidtrades : repeatedly
[2016-10-29 12:39:44] rapidtrades : 5>15>7
[2016-10-29 12:39:52] chromaticcr1 : perhaps the lower limit should be -10 just to make things fair
[2016-10-29 12:39:56] chromaticcr1 : huh
[2016-10-29 12:40:08] rapidtrades : f*cking bailout scam
[2016-10-29 12:40:27] BitMEX_Wally : It's marked to last, so just bid it up if you want
[2016-10-29 12:40:45] rapidtrades : im not bidding up shit in this fake market
[2016-10-29 12:40:57] BitMEX_Wally : It's fake because it's marked to last?
[2016-10-29 12:41:05] chromaticcr1 : ** DON'T FEED THE TROLLS**
[2016-10-29 12:41:44] BitMEX_Wally : :D
[2016-10-29 12:42:24] BitMEX_Wally : Bitcoin is back above 700, I bet no-one has noticed because they're too busy with ZEC
[2016-10-29 12:42:26] rapidtrades : ur so full of sh*t...all of u...u have no clue where ZEC will trade
[2016-10-29 12:42:32] rapidtrades : u just assume it will go down
[2016-10-29 12:42:37] BitMEX_Wally : Like your mother
[2016-10-29 12:42:49] rapidtrades : classy
[2016-10-29 12:43:40] Gemz : btc going to 1000
[2016-10-29 12:43:43] chromaticcr1 : well we assumed that ZEC won't go negative too.
[2016-10-29 12:47:12] Formiga : Anyone else is seeing a purple line in the ZEC chart? I delete it and it keeps coming back
[2016-10-29 12:48:05] sleger : BitMEX_Wally: lol
[2016-10-29 12:48:31] Progamer : zcash shitcoin go down
[2016-10-29 12:50:29] rapidtrades : BitMEX_Wally: why don't u post guarantee that no shorts will lose money in ZEC?
[2016-10-29 12:50:32] chromaticcr1 : Progamer: perhaps rapid would pump it up, who knows,.after all we can't just *assume it will go down**
[2016-10-29 12:50:34] rapidtrades : would help ur cause
[2016-10-29 12:53:55] aethlios : shorts lost yesterdays battles but will win the war on zcash, shorting all the way down to shit, 0.001 price in 2 years with btc 15,000
[2016-10-29 12:59:07] REKT : Liquidated long on `XMR7D`: Sell 196 @ 0.006896
[2016-10-29 12:59:07] REKT : Liquidated long on `XMR7D`: Sell 10 @ 0.006895
[2016-10-29 13:01:22] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 121 @ 0.01507
[2016-10-29 13:04:18] REKT : Liquidated long on `XMR7D`: Sell 70 @ 0.006793
[2016-10-29 13:04:18] REKT : Liquidated long on `XMR7D`: Sell 630 @ 0.006778
[2016-10-29 13:04:52] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 2200 @ 0.01498
[2016-10-29 13:06:52] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 450 @ 0.01493
[2016-10-29 13:07:22] REKT : Liquidated long on `FCTXBT`: Sell 80 @ 0.002659
[2016-10-29 13:08:52] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 650 @ 0.01490
[2016-10-29 13:10:07] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 291 @ 0.01482
[2016-10-29 13:17:53] chromaticcr1 : next in line is ETC ;)
[2016-10-29 13:32:53] Gemz : which price is calculated to realised pnl, last price, index price or mark price?
[2016-10-29 13:34:34] sleger : no
[2016-10-29 13:35:32] jafarmk : Why fact sell price is o.oo21 u people r kidding !??
[2016-10-29 13:35:47] Tetsuo : no
[2016-10-29 13:36:14] jafarmk : It's not fare while Poloniex sell price is 0.0025
[2016-10-29 13:36:29] Tetsuo : fare price for a fare coin
[2016-10-29 13:39:23] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 195 @ 0.01436
[2016-10-29 13:39:23] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 100 @ 0.01440
[2016-10-29 13:41:27] Tetsuo : if u want too see the future of shitcoins imagine a boot stampin on shitcoinkids, forever
[2016-10-29 13:44:22] REKT : Liquidated long on `FCTXBT`: Sell 2003 @ 0.002320
[2016-10-29 13:44:22] REKT : Liquidated long on `FCTXBT`: Sell 1000 @ 0.002327
[2016-10-29 13:45:36] BitMEX_Wally : Gemz: realised PNL is calculated based on your entry and exit price
[2016-10-29 13:47:05] Gemz : BitMEX_Wally: i see three prices, last price, index price, mark price, which one should i look at to detemine my profit or loss?
[2016-10-29 13:47:49] Tetsuo : no
[2016-10-29 13:48:00] tomato : what is mean the ROE
[2016-10-29 13:48:09] Tetsuo : whis
[2016-10-29 13:49:04] Tetsuo : Hi i am Tetsuo, AMA starts in 4h
[2016-10-29 13:49:20] Gemz : or better said which one should i look at to see how much im up or down
[2016-10-29 13:49:43] Tetsuo : 3:59 please remain patient in the meanwhile
[2016-10-29 13:50:23] kryptopojken : BitMEX_Wally: is it possible to open a private chat? it's urgent
[2016-10-29 13:51:52] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 10 @ 0.01421
[2016-10-29 13:53:37] BitMEX_Wally : kryptopojken: please email support@bitmex.com
[2016-10-29 13:54:19] BitMEX_Greg : kryptopojken: Hi, we don't have private chat. Can you please send us a support ticket and we will look at it immediately
[2016-10-29 13:54:25] BitMEX_Wally : Gemz: your unrealised profit and loss is calculated using the mark price, but when you close your position your realised PNL depends on what price you trade at in the order book
[2016-10-29 13:54:48] Gemz : thanks
[2016-10-29 13:55:15] tomato : what is the ROE 284.5%
[2016-10-29 13:55:15] Tetsuo : tag team back again
[2016-10-29 13:55:51] aethlios : any eth news?
[2016-10-29 13:55:55] BitMEX_Wally : tomato: ROE is return on equity, it is your unrealised PNL as a percentage multiplied by your chose leverage
[2016-10-29 13:56:03] Tetsuo : aethlios: it looks pretty bad
[2016-10-29 13:56:21] aethlios : major support at test 0.013 around
[2016-10-29 13:57:08] jordy : Does bitmex has mobile apps?
[2016-10-29 13:57:16] Gemz : eth bubble popped i think, its going back to $5
[2016-10-29 13:57:40] lockhedge : BitMEX_Wally: on Cross margin, this ROE calculation does not make sense