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[2016-10-29 03:56:57] aethlios : jordy: above chat funding rate, there where is the volume etc.
[2016-10-29 03:57:28] aethlios : and if you place the cursor to funding rate it shows the expected rate for next 8 hours
[2016-10-29 04:00:00] hazir : how much dose it cost to short? the zcash?
[2016-10-29 04:00:41] aethlios : hazir: zcash has no funding, but you need margin at least 50% to open position
[2016-10-29 04:01:17] aethlios : so to open 1 contract short now need around 0.85 btc capital
[2016-10-29 04:03:31] kryptopojken : if I choose cross margin on a position....and my entire account balance is in a buy order for another contract....will it cancel my order to save the original position from liq?
[2016-10-29 04:03:56] Sidwick : price is still 9 on polo. futures looking solid
[2016-10-29 04:04:46] aethlios : 100 contracts open
[2016-10-29 04:05:45] Sidwick : yup
[2016-10-29 04:06:42] RocketScience : there was like 10 yuan dip in btc and xbt futures orderbook emptied itself on both sides
[2016-10-29 04:06:45] RocketScience : hehe
[2016-10-29 04:07:41] kryptopojken : guys...if I choose cross margin on a position....and my entire account balance is in a buy order for another contract....will it cancel my order to save the original position from liquidation?
[2016-10-29 04:08:16] aethlios : kryptopojken: better wait for bitmex to answer or send a tocket
[2016-10-29 04:08:31] aethlios : suppott ticket
[2016-10-29 04:08:39] kryptopojken : yah agree
[2016-10-29 04:10:18] aethlios : kryptopojken: I don't want to tell you something not 100% sure
[2016-10-29 04:10:38] imabeast : I honestly have no idea why people are buying at 9btc
[2016-10-29 04:10:45] imabeast : good lord
[2016-10-29 04:11:23] Sasukeevil : maybe miners want to dump their coins higher
[2016-10-29 04:12:06] imabeast : no i understand that lol.. but if youre just casually buying thinking that this is gonna go back up?
[2016-10-29 04:13:28] laisee : imabeast: can sell that user called 'greatestfule'
[2016-10-29 04:14:54] laisee : he was on here last night, prolly coming back today ...
[2016-10-29 04:15:19] aethlios : they think 9 is usd, didn't to the math 9*705
[2016-10-29 04:16:31] laisee : heh. bad math will cost $$$.
[2016-10-29 04:17:19] Sasukeevil : I think it's trading bot b/c almost no real volume right now
[2016-10-29 04:18:13] imabeast : how do you check how much volume
[2016-10-29 04:18:14] imabeast : there is
[2016-10-29 04:18:17] imabeast : for zec
[2016-10-29 04:18:40] Booker : kryptopojken: I believe it won't, lost earlier today when my trade closed after opening another. Maybe it shifted the liquidation price I had as a result, although I didn't believe that's how it worked at the time.
[2016-10-29 04:19:13] laisee : https://www.bitmex.com/app/contract/ZECZ16
[2016-10-29 04:19:27] kryptopojken : had the other trade been opened? or was it a standing order? @Booker
[2016-10-29 04:19:31] laisee : imabeast: see url for all ZEC16 details
[2016-10-29 04:20:25] Kahir : ah god
[2016-10-29 04:20:27] Kahir : i want to sleep
[2016-10-29 04:20:29] Kahir : please move
[2016-10-29 04:20:53] kryptopojken : laisee: doesnt answer my question :/
[2016-10-29 04:21:26] Sasukeevil : just closed and need to sleep. slowest dump ever
[2016-10-29 04:21:48] Sasukeevil : even slower than my grandma
[2016-10-29 04:22:04] laisee : kryptopojken: was answering another q. what did u ask?
[2016-10-29 04:22:40] kryptopojken : if I choose cross margin on a position....and my entire account balance is in a buy order for a different pair....will it cancel my order to save the original position from liq?
[2016-10-29 04:23:47] REKT : Liquidated short on `ZECZ16`: Buy 2 @ 1.730273
[2016-10-29 04:24:05] Kahir : WE MOVING ?
[2016-10-29 04:24:28] Kahir : YES BOII
[2016-10-29 04:24:30] Sasukeevil : yep, it bounced
[2016-10-29 04:24:31] Kahir : "D
[2016-10-29 04:28:32] Booker : kryptopojken: My other trade was open with a lower liquidation price - I was then forced into liquidation, unable to hold my contract (1ZEC) ... I was to liquidate a bit under 1 BTC and my liquidation was in the 1.2x range.
[2016-10-29 04:28:57] kryptopojken : yeah that kinda changes it though
[2016-10-29 04:29:01] kryptopojken : since u were already in a trade
[2016-10-29 04:29:51] Booker : kryptopojken: I suppose, I assumed everything was calculated individually and not pooled together. Still working on the migration from Polo's limited (but basic) margin trading system.
[2016-10-29 04:30:10] kryptopojken : gotcha
[2016-10-29 04:31:12] Sasukeevil : ZEC pumping
[2016-10-29 04:33:21] laisee : polo got some craaazy BOTs trading now
[2016-10-29 04:33:43] imabeast : how do you even get a bot?
[2016-10-29 04:33:54] Sasukeevil : these polo trading bots aew well designed
[2016-10-29 04:34:14] laisee : its a pokemon thing, download the app and you can find one in nearest mall
[2016-10-29 04:34:55] laisee : or just google "github trading bot"
[2016-10-29 04:36:16] coinrun : whoever is short zec at these prices are about to get liquidated
[2016-10-29 04:36:24] kryptopojken : polo looking strong
[2016-10-29 04:37:11] kryptopojken : close your shorts
[2016-10-29 04:37:37] laisee : I foresee epic battle between cash & futures markets - until the central bank steps in and provides liqiuidity.
[2016-10-29 04:38:10] laisee : .... so we may be waiting a while for dat liquidity ;-)
[2016-10-29 04:38:58] REKT : Liquidated short on `ZECZ16`: Buy 1 @ 1.816059
[2016-10-29 04:39:26] coinrun : REKT: thats 1
[2016-10-29 04:39:26] aethlios : I bet all hackers now try to hack zcash and start inflation,
[2016-10-29 04:40:45] laisee : or hack the code and set loose 1,000s of AWS nodes to execute 51% attack?
[2016-10-29 04:41:05] coinrun : good risk reward here to long
[2016-10-29 04:41:37] aethlios : short zec, bet on gravity rule
[2016-10-29 04:42:03] laisee : cash > futures and u want to shore futures?
[2016-10-29 04:42:46] aethlios : laisee: yes, futures expensive. this contract os the expected price on 30 dec.
[2016-10-29 04:43:45] laisee : hmmm. u hope to hold a contract until market is sane ... but u may get liquidated or ADL'd before then ...
[2016-10-29 04:43:47] aethlios : 330,000 zcash supply on 30 dec. price at most 0.15
[2016-10-29 04:44:18] aethlios : laisee: no if i have liquidation price above the cap.
[2016-10-29 04:44:39] laisee : and the cap will hold until?
[2016-10-29 04:45:11] laisee : it changes.
[2016-10-29 04:45:44] aethlios : laisee: until we follow the index, which means price below 1 and heavy volume, now all polo asks are 11 coins. wait then to be 20,000
[2016-10-29 04:47:10] laisee : yeah, exactly. waiting until blood clears from the water a little
[2016-10-29 04:48:14] laisee : and less risk of Snarknado from ZEC cash markets landing here @ bitmex
[2016-10-29 04:48:25] aethlios : total asks polo value 120 btc,
[2016-10-29 04:48:32] aethlios : only.
[2016-10-29 04:48:56] aethlios : next polo dump to 3-5 btc price
[2016-10-29 04:49:19] laisee : yup. Snarknado approaches ...
[2016-10-29 04:49:45] kryptopojken : what is snarknado
[2016-10-29 04:50:31] aethlios : hackers will fuck zcash, even zooko said doesn't understand the tech completly
[2016-10-29 04:51:40] aethlios : long monero and short zcash a long term profitable strategy, fund monero long with zcash short profits
[2016-10-29 04:52:12] lockhedge : total monetary base is 179 ZEC and 4246 BTC have been traded?
[2016-10-29 04:52:27] imabeast : that dump lol
[2016-10-29 04:52:30] aethlios : lockhedge: on polo less zec traded
[2016-10-29 04:53:38] aethlios : 4300 btc waisted
[2016-10-29 04:53:51] lockhedge : aethlios: isn't that 4249 btc volume? https://poloniex.com/exchange#btc_zec
[2016-10-29 04:53:52] Kahir : yeah :D
[2016-10-29 04:54:04] laisee : high waisted on ZEC, yup
[2016-10-29 04:54:25] aethlios : lockhedge: yes
[2016-10-29 04:54:42] shapeshifter : laisee: miners would not agree lol
[2016-10-29 04:55:28] aethlios : so many alts last 4 years and people today behaved like seeing an alt for first time in their life, like a UFO
[2016-10-29 04:56:07] imabeast : lmao
[2016-10-29 04:56:10] laisee : ... this time its different becos the snark!
[2016-10-29 04:57:27] imabeast : think we hit 1.1 soon
[2016-10-29 04:57:42] aethlios : The four most dangerous words in investing are 'This time it's different'.
[2016-10-29 04:59:44] laisee : yeah. since tulip bulbs were the crypto of their time ;-)
[2016-10-29 05:03:22] laisee : ZEC difficulty still quite low
[2016-10-29 05:03:49] aethlios : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSynwksRDjw
[2016-10-29 05:04:03] aethlios : good analysis, to learn some info
[2016-10-29 05:04:29] aethlios : steem it reached 330 mill cap, no 25
[2016-10-29 05:04:50] Kahir : it will go below 10k
[2016-10-29 05:11:40] billyboy402 : when does the Eth change to weekly ?
[2016-10-29 05:12:21] aethlios : billyboy402: 4 nov
[2016-10-29 05:12:56] Coach_Z : amazing zec is still above 11 on Polo
[2016-10-29 05:13:07] Coach_Z : people are dumping other alts to buy zec, hilarious
[2016-10-29 05:13:14] billyboy402 : oh next week , though they where changing yesterday
[2016-10-29 05:13:28] Coach_Z : they just want to gamble
[2016-10-29 05:13:52] fiq : are there any exchanges that actually selling real zec?
[2016-10-29 05:14:04] billyboy402 : yep , polo and bfx are
[2016-10-29 05:14:31] fiq : billyboy402: no way.. then why bitmex havent?
[2016-10-29 05:14:56] Coach_Z : 13 total ZEC on polo for sale
[2016-10-29 05:15:10] Coach_Z : miners are scrambling to get their ZEC from pools
[2016-10-29 05:15:12] billyboy402 : Bitmex , will never add spot . they are only a future exchange
[2016-10-29 05:15:32] billyboy402 : BitMEX is a derivatives exchange that offers leveraged contracts that are bought and sold in Bitcoin. BitMEX only handles Bitcoin. All profit and loss is in Bitcoin, even if you’re buying and selling altcoin contracts. BitMEX does not handle fiat currency.
[2016-10-29 05:15:37] billyboy402 : https://www.bitmex.com/app/tradingOverview
[2016-10-29 05:16:30] fiq : thanks for the info
[2016-10-29 05:20:28] fiq : can anyone explain why polo zec price is 11 btc and why bitmx is 1.5 btc?
[2016-10-29 05:22:42] aethlios : fiq: because traders expect price to be 1.5 on 30 dec.
[2016-10-29 05:23:01] aethlios : so trading the market on deep discount
[2016-10-29 05:23:40] aethlios : that's why xbtz16 is 737 and not 703
[2016-10-29 05:41:07] REKT : Liquidated long on `FCTXBT`: Sell 100 @ 0.003122
[2016-10-29 06:20:45] jordy : hi, bitmex
[2016-10-29 06:21:36] jordy : @aethlios, I mean how to check the historical funding rate of bitcoin
[2016-10-29 06:22:13] jordy : Hi, Bitmex...may I know how to check the historical funding rate of bitcoin
[2016-10-29 06:24:39] aethlios : jordy: https://www.bitmex.com/app/fundingHistory?start=0
[2016-10-29 06:33:24] jordy : noted with thanks @aethlios
[2016-10-29 06:38:14] Mm bot : When are we getting mark price?
[2016-10-29 06:38:25] Mm bot : polo zcash mark price
[2016-10-29 06:39:43] GCBGCB : aethlios:
[2016-10-29 06:39:51] GCBGCB : Mention is to raise money or to raise money
[2016-10-29 06:40:28] GCBGCB : aethlios:
[2016-10-29 06:40:31] GCBGCB : Mention is to raise money or to raise money
[2016-10-29 06:42:21] GCBGCB : jordy:
[2016-10-29 06:42:24] GCBGCB : Mention is to raise money or to raise money
[2016-10-29 07:03:12] aethlios : what's up?? how is zec going??
[2016-10-29 07:10:52] wurstgelee : yawn
[2016-10-29 07:10:55] wurstgelee : good day
[2016-10-29 07:11:01] wurstgelee : 9 @ polo
[2016-10-29 07:11:38] wurstgelee : now would be th pefect opportunity to remove that walll....
[2016-10-29 07:11:41] wurstgelee : just saying ;)
[2016-10-29 07:22:25] naskalnik : hellow PIWO wódka
[2016-10-29 07:24:58] aethlios : long journey to zero started for zcash scam
[2016-10-29 07:25:51] sally : all the way back to 0.07 for december settlement lol
[2016-10-29 07:29:45] tomato : hello
[2016-10-29 07:29:53] tomato : i am a girl
[2016-10-29 07:30:39] tomato : who can teach me
[2016-10-29 07:30:54] wurstgelee : we are all girls
[2016-10-29 07:30:57] wurstgelee : nobody can
[2016-10-29 07:31:05] tomato : oh
[2016-10-29 07:31:09] tomato : thanks
[2016-10-29 07:31:13] wurstgelee : np ;)
[2016-10-29 07:31:46] aethlios : trading is the only place women pay men.
[2016-10-29 07:31:54] sally : the great zcash pump and dump. epic
[2016-10-29 07:32:19] aethlios : and wealth is transferred from women to men,
[2016-10-29 07:33:44] aethlios : now all will buy all the way down because it will be "cheap", will have in mind the 1000 btc fake price
[2016-10-29 07:37:08] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 788 @ 701.66
[2016-10-29 07:38:59] +1 : aethlios: Hi. Ah.. missed on the ZEC action. What's your view on XBT?
[2016-10-29 07:39:21] aethlios : +1: the same since 575 I said 1200.
[2016-10-29 07:39:52] REKT : Liquidated long on `LSKXBT`: Sell 12 @ 0.000227
[2016-10-29 07:41:00] kradiav : ZEC on polo shitting its pants
[2016-10-29 07:43:02] sally : kradiav: its a no brainer that its going to be worth 1/10s what it is now in a few days
[2016-10-29 07:43:13] aethlios : +1: https://www.tradingview.com/x/YBor4iX0/
[2016-10-29 07:43:14] sally : miners just dump laughing all the way to the bank
[2016-10-29 07:43:24] kradiav : true
[2016-10-29 07:43:36] aethlios : +1: target previous ATH, then retrace to 950 and then new bull market above 1200
[2016-10-29 07:43:57] aethlios : +1: also zec long term short next 2 years
[2016-10-29 07:44:33] sally : aethlios: that btc chart looks spot on
[2016-10-29 07:45:22] aethlios : sally: we can't predict future, but it is possible.
[2016-10-29 07:45:44] habibi : i anyone here would listen aethlios yday he would be totally rekt, guys treat urself well and dont listen to noobs
[2016-10-29 07:45:48] habibi : if*
[2016-10-29 07:45:49] sally : aethlios: all I know is btc is great
[2016-10-29 07:49:38] +1 : aethlios: Thank you.
[2016-10-29 07:50:16] +1 : aethlios: LOL on ZEC -- 2 yrs prolly no volume?
[2016-10-29 07:52:35] aethlios : habibi: that's correct advice, but I am on the leader board first 10 positions.
[2016-10-29 07:53:07] kradiav : prove it
[2016-10-29 08:02:45] tiger888 : zec mining Cost is too high !!
[2016-10-29 08:10:52] REKT : Liquidated long on `FCTXBT`: Sell 100 @ 0.002966
[2016-10-29 08:11:00] Mm bot : When is Zcash adding Polo mark price?
[2016-10-29 08:38:06] rapidtrades : this is redic
[2016-10-29 08:38:19] BitMEX_Wally : https://blog.bitmex.com/site_announcement/note-on-zec-price-cap/
[2016-10-29 08:39:23] rapidtrades : BitMEX_Wally: u do realize we're now trading a completely fake market?
[2016-10-29 08:39:38] rapidtrades : noone here has ZECs, they're just pushing the price with BTC
[2016-10-29 08:40:48] BitMEX_Wally : The price here is less than on Poloniex
[2016-10-29 08:41:11] BitMEX_Wally : Oh, you mean pushing down
[2016-10-29 08:42:05] rapidtrades : yeah...pushing up, pushing down
[2016-10-29 08:42:05] BitMEX_Wally : Even if we moved to using the Poloniex price, there would be a large negative fair basis rate applied to it
[2016-10-29 08:42:29] BitMEX_Wally : So the mark price would not suddenly jump from 1.3 to 6.4
[2016-10-29 08:42:33] rapidtrades : it's not about ZEC anymore...it's about betting what rules u will make up for this future
[2016-10-29 08:42:44] rapidtrades : BitMEX_Wally: well that's just great
[2016-10-29 08:42:59] rapidtrades : BitMEX_Wally: and how much would that basis be
[2016-10-29 08:43:37] rapidtrades : there was nothing said yday about a fair basis
[2016-10-29 08:44:39] BitMEX_Wally : Our products are either marked to lastPrice or fairPrice. None of them get marked directly to the underlying index price
[2016-10-29 08:45:06] rapidtrades : i wannna see how u pull this off
[2016-10-29 08:45:22] rapidtrades : apply a -80% 'fair' basis no doubt
[2016-10-29 08:46:03] BitMEX_Wally : By applying the Impact Mid Price method to calculate the fair basis
[2016-10-29 08:46:24] BitMEX_Wally : As we do with all the other altcoin futures
[2016-10-29 08:47:22] BitMEX_Wally : When we announce the mark method change, we will also announce the fair basis method too
[2016-10-29 08:47:25] rapidtrades : that's very convenient
[2016-10-29 08:47:45] rapidtrades : guess it's my fault for jumping back in after u changed the rules yday
[2016-10-29 08:49:55] rapidtrades : give ppl a second chance to screw u and they will
[2016-10-29 08:50:03] rapidtrades : should've learn that with buttfinex
[2016-10-29 08:50:18] BitMEX_Wally : How did we screw you
[2016-10-29 08:52:42] REKT : Liquidated long on `ZECZ16`: Sell 1 @ 1.221429
[2016-10-29 08:53:11] rapidtrades : you should rename this contract to 'When and how will bitmex mark zcash to market'
[2016-10-29 08:53:28] rapidtrades : not zcash....cos there's nothing to do with zcash atm
[2016-10-29 08:53:48] REKT : Liquidated long on `ZECZ16`: Sell 1 @ 1.170000
[2016-10-29 08:53:48] REKT : Liquidated long on `ZECZ16`: Sell 2 @ 1.171875
[2016-10-29 08:53:53] chromaticcr1 : 1.89 @rapidtrades @BitMEX_Wally Perhaps inflation adjusted for the basis?
[2016-10-29 08:54:06] aethlios : rapidtrades: why don't you buy to 6???
[2016-10-29 08:54:53] lockhedge : rapidtrades: 24h after "Over 1000 ZEC/day volume" is reached on a spot exchange
[2016-10-29 08:56:02] sally : so more contract changes?
[2016-10-29 08:56:07] sally : wtf is this?
[2016-10-29 08:56:29] sally : ZEC will be worthless on december settlement and I want that to not change
[2016-10-29 08:57:23] lockhedge : it's not a change of the contract, they just gave more specific information about when the mark method will be changed
[2016-10-29 08:58:02] sally : well thats a change of contract
[2016-10-29 08:59:06] rapidtrades : exactly...
[2016-10-29 08:59:06] lockhedge : no it always had been at their discretion to change the mark method
[2016-10-29 08:59:32] rapidtrades : great im sure ppl will want to trade on a site that does that
[2016-10-29 09:00:35] sally : fact: ZEC will be worthless on december. Now let me trade that without any BS
[2016-10-29 09:00:43] rapidtrades : funny thing is there's a 1% chance ZEC lives up to the hype and prices stay above 10...what then?
[2016-10-29 09:00:56] rapidtrades : they're counting on this being a one-way bet
[2016-10-29 09:01:17] sally : the 10btc limit was the dirtiest thing Ive ever seen a trade platform do
[2016-10-29 09:03:29] sally : but hey, this is crypto just dont act like saints and we are all good
[2016-10-29 09:03:29] omicron : sally: you haven't heard about the 'hookers and blow' fund?
[2016-10-29 09:04:09] sally : omicron: lol, yeah. Show me some numbers on how that was spent hahaha
[2016-10-29 09:04:16] laisee : would u prefer it all to be held within trad banking industry and everything vetted by CFTC?
[2016-10-29 09:04:30] sally : laisee: no. I love this shit
[2016-10-29 09:04:49] sally : just dont like it when I see how people where fucked
[2016-10-29 09:04:55] rapidtrades : i would prefer if we had some regulation yes
[2016-10-29 09:05:11] rapidtrades : cos it's hard to get justice now if screw
[2016-10-29 09:05:13] laisee : cool. I think wall st & all of finance is there for anyone who needs it.
[2016-10-29 09:05:54] laisee : rapidtrades: civil law not enough for getting justice?
[2016-10-29 09:06:28] rapidtrades : how are u gonna apply civil law with companies in BVI or Seychelles
[2016-10-29 09:06:41] rapidtrades : takes thousands of dollars to sue
[2016-10-29 09:06:47] laisee : civil law + $$$ - can be done
[2016-10-29 09:06:53] rapidtrades : not worth it for small investors
[2016-10-29 09:07:05] rapidtrades : exactly...regulation is there to protect the small fish
[2016-10-29 09:07:28] laisee : perhaps small investors should stay awy from bleeding edge of crypto finance, then?
[2016-10-29 09:07:31] rapidtrades : that's why 'accredited investors' are free to do as they please and invest in any crap they want
[2016-10-29 09:08:25] laisee : exactly. if you want or need regulation then maybe crypto space is not the right one to be in
[2016-10-29 09:08:55] pmicklon : laisee: +1
[2016-10-29 09:09:48] rapidtrades : doesn't matter...it will get rgulated in a few yrs just like everything
[2016-10-29 09:10:41] laisee : maybe ... Bitcoin & others are protocols. They can keep mytating faster than regulators can move.
[2016-10-29 09:10:56] laisee : ^mytating^mutating
[2016-10-29 09:11:19] rapidtrades : well if u want to trade u will have to follow regulations
[2016-10-29 09:13:12] Coach_Z : zec needs 50% limits again
[2016-10-29 09:13:26] Coach_Z : otherwise shorts can't short very much
[2016-10-29 09:13:30] Coach_Z : or risk getting squeezed
[2016-10-29 09:13:46] rapidtrades : maybe u shouldn't push ur luck?
[2016-10-29 09:13:57] Coach_Z : my liq price is over 10
[2016-10-29 09:13:58] rapidtrades : being at 80% below actual market?
[2016-10-29 09:14:15] rapidtrades : ^^^ and this is what limits do....my liq is above 10
[2016-10-29 09:14:24] rapidtrades : f rettard
[2016-10-29 09:15:07] Coach_Z : limit should be 50% every 8 hours. Not 1000% like it is now.
[2016-10-29 09:15:25] rapidtrades : dude....haven't u gotten enough help from bitmex?
[2016-10-29 09:15:37] Coach_Z : help?
[2016-10-29 09:15:42] Coach_Z : how did they help?
[2016-10-29 09:15:55] rapidtrades : they capped ur loss...they will mark it to some magic fairy dust price when they remove the cap
[2016-10-29 09:16:02] rapidtrades : ur trading a fake market u dummy @Coach_Z
[2016-10-29 09:16:24] RoftheN : damn I wish I was rich enough to short yesterday, but I don't even have 3 BTC play money
[2016-10-29 09:16:57] Coach_Z : i wasn't short when it was at the cap of 10
[2016-10-29 09:17:07] Coach_Z : so they never capped my loss
[2016-10-29 09:17:27] rapidtrades : they always capped ur loss...
[2016-10-29 09:17:55] rapidtrades : really want to see this thing rally and stay above 10-20
[2016-10-29 09:17:55] Coach_Z : longs have a cap at 0
[2016-10-29 09:18:05] Coach_Z : oh you are long, rapid?
[2016-10-29 09:18:12] rapidtrades : just to see them scaramble and try to justify why they're not marking it to market
[2016-10-29 09:18:56] BitMEX_Wally : rapidtrades: If we had marked the quantos to the spot price you would have been screaming
[2016-10-29 09:19:13] chromaticcr1 : BitMEX_Wally: lol, i like how you phrase it
[2016-10-29 09:19:16] rapidtrades : BitMEX_Wally: not rly, i traded tiny over there
[2016-10-29 09:19:17] RoftheN : I think the 10 BTC cap was a very reasonable thing to do
[2016-10-29 09:19:18] Coach_Z : BitMEX_Wally: any chance of puttiing the 50% limits back?
[2016-10-29 09:19:39] Coach_Z : otherwise, shorts have market manipulation risk
[2016-10-29 09:19:41] rapidtrades : dude u can not be srs
[2016-10-29 09:19:52] Coach_Z : the reason it was there in the first place
[2016-10-29 09:19:53] rapidtrades : can u f*cking believe this guy ^^^
[2016-10-29 09:20:03] Coach_Z : someone could come in with 200 BTC and drive the price up to 10
[2016-10-29 09:20:08] rapidtrades : how about just gives the shorts blank checks bitmex
[2016-10-29 09:20:29] rapidtrades : just take whatever's left of my ZEC long and trasfered to this f*ck ^^^
[2016-10-29 09:20:45] rapidtrades : f*Cking retard
[2016-10-29 09:20:53] RoftheN : Lol
[2016-10-29 09:20:53] Coach_Z : i don't understand why you're still long, rapid
[2016-10-29 09:20:54] chromaticcr1 : rapidtrades: well this is a "futures" contract, it is just that too many idiots on the market trading it as spot
[2016-10-29 09:21:14] rapidtrades : Coach_Z: becos the market is at 7 dummy
[2016-10-29 09:21:14] Coach_Z : 7 contracts available at 1... free money
[2016-10-29 09:21:30] Coach_Z : what part of *futures* don't you understand?
[2016-10-29 09:21:32] chromaticcr1 : and not enough smart people who are shotring the hell out of it to take the blank cheque
[2016-10-29 09:21:38] RoftheN : it's sad that 1 ZEC is the minimum though, why not 0.01 ZEC :(
[2016-10-29 09:21:47] chromaticcr1 : smart people with deep pockets, should i say
[2016-10-29 09:21:53] kryptopojken : Coach_Z: the liquidation part?
[2016-10-29 09:22:28] RoftheN : Coach_Z someone could easily pump it back to 4, I don't think people can dump it much further, we're not trading realistically for December here
[2016-10-29 09:23:17] Coach_Z : right now, to short, you need 9 BTC to cover a short at 1 and not be liquidated before december
[2016-10-29 09:23:48] Coach_Z : if you only have 5 BTC, it could reasonably spike to 7 before december. someone comes in with a few hundred btc and just dumps it
[2016-10-29 09:23:53] chromaticcr1 : and worst yet, the idiotic-ness actually cause the shitfest yesterday and kinda penalized those who aren't parepared for the incoming of retards
[2016-10-29 09:24:04] rapidtrades : Coach_Z: well then don't be short
[2016-10-29 09:24:10] kryptopojken : Coach_Z: dude theyre gonbna remove the 10 wall price
[2016-10-29 09:24:14] rapidtrades : that' the risk u run for shorting 80% below market
[2016-10-29 09:24:18] kryptopojken : u CAN get margin called
[2016-10-29 09:24:39] Coach_Z : by the time they remove it, zec will be spot trading below 1
[2016-10-29 09:24:43] rapidtrades : u can not only get margin called but locked in a limit up and lose everything
[2016-10-29 09:25:02] Coach_Z : and they will announce the removal
[2016-10-29 09:25:05] rapidtrades : depending on where polo will be trading when they remove it
[2016-10-29 09:25:19] rapidtrades : Coach_Z: and when they announce it price will instatly adjust
[2016-10-29 09:25:30] rapidtrades : hope u have fast fingers, bitch
[2016-10-29 09:25:43] Coach_Z : if the polo spot is below 1, the price here won't jump up to 10
[2016-10-29 09:25:58] rapidtrades : right...problem is polo is at 7
[2016-10-29 09:26:15] chromaticcr1 : grab a fast lane bro https://fiber.google.com/about/ ;)
[2016-10-29 09:26:17] rapidtrades : there's 139 btc above 2.2
[2016-10-29 09:26:23] Coach_Z : rapid, twice as many coins get mined tomorrow, as they did today
[2016-10-29 09:26:56] rapidtrades : i think ppl know that already
[2016-10-29 09:27:05] Coach_Z : actually, 3x
[2016-10-29 09:27:16] aethlios : fresh zcash are mined now to dump to polo next hours.
[2016-10-29 09:27:47] Coach_Z : total supply tomorrow will be 400% today
[2016-10-29 09:27:58] rapidtrades : who cares....it would take 150 btc to bring down polo to our level
[2016-10-29 09:28:09] aethlios : below 1 in 2 days on polo, here 0.4
[2016-10-29 09:28:34] laisee : its going down - question is when & how.
[2016-10-29 09:28:42] Coach_Z : i would insta short all 7 of those 1.0 contracts if bitmex put in 50% limits every 8 hours again.
[2016-10-29 09:29:00] Coach_Z : to give me time in case someone market manipulates
[2016-10-29 09:29:11] rapidtrades : bitmex please bring back 50% limits and remove the mark thanks
[2016-10-29 09:29:16] rapidtrades : as per idiot request above
[2016-10-29 09:29:23] Coach_Z : thanks @rapidtrades !
[2016-10-29 09:29:24] rapidtrades : remove the cap*
[2016-10-29 09:29:26] laisee : Coach_Z: how much time does it tsake to manipulate markets? seconds.
[2016-10-29 09:29:29] rapidtrades : THE CAP
[2016-10-29 09:29:52] Coach_Z : sure, bring in 50% limits every 8 hours and remove the cap please!
[2016-10-29 09:30:11] Coach_Z : i don't think support is listening
[2016-10-29 09:30:17] rapidtrades : this is such a scam market
[2016-10-29 09:30:22] REKT : Liquidated long on `XMR7D`: Sell 2 @ 0.007620
[2016-10-29 09:30:33] laisee : why not create Google sheet and run your own OTC market. Easy money, right?
[2016-10-29 09:30:33] lockhedge : rapidtrades: you are trading ZEC?
[2016-10-29 09:30:53] rapidtrades : why even do a future with so many restrictions
[2016-10-29 09:31:00] rapidtrades : it's like bailout central here now
[2016-10-29 09:31:08] rapidtrades : bitmex do this, bitmex do that
[2016-10-29 09:31:47] Coach_Z : if you like money, rapid, please don't be long
[2016-10-29 09:32:16] Tetsuo : if you like rapid please suck his dong
[2016-10-29 09:32:32] REKT : Liquidated long on `XMR7D`: Sell 100 @ 0.007555
[2016-10-29 09:32:44] rapidtrades : Tetsuo: :)
[2016-10-29 09:32:53] Coach_Z : wow that's pretty good, rhyming pentameter
[2016-10-29 09:32:57] laisee : good value in the leftovers IMO.
[2016-10-29 09:33:02] REKT : Liquidated long on `XMR7D`: Sell 70 @ 0.007421
[2016-10-29 09:33:22] Coach_Z : i love that the liquidation username is REKT
[2016-10-29 09:36:13] Kahir : :D
[2016-10-29 09:45:34] Coach_Z : BitMEX_Wally: any chance of puttiing the 50% limits back for the original reasons they were in place?
[2016-10-29 09:45:51] Coach_Z : also remove the cap for rapidatrades
[2016-10-29 09:50:50] aethlios : smooth trading for zec
[2016-10-29 09:54:50] Coach_Z : how do you mean aethlios?
[2016-10-29 09:55:01] Coach_Z : zec kinda dead now
[2016-10-29 09:55:33] aethlios : Coach_Z: no I don't mean about your comment, just that the day is more calm today.
[2016-10-29 09:55:53] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 3032 @ 0.01544
[2016-10-29 09:56:01] Coach_Z : it was awesome to see a coin worth $600k
[2016-10-29 09:56:13] Coach_Z : i think it was higher
[2016-10-29 09:56:24] aethlios : the limit is useful, will help people open positions and not afraid manipulation, I agree with you.
[2016-10-29 09:56:40] Coach_Z : thank you please ping support
[2016-10-29 09:56:51] Coach_Z : I would take a much bigger position with limits
[2016-10-29 09:56:58] Coach_Z : but frankly, I think this market is dead
[2016-10-29 09:57:00] rapidtrades : i bet u would
[2016-10-29 09:57:17] rapidtrades : Coach_Z: tell me what's ur BTC address....lemme just send u my money right now
[2016-10-29 09:57:34] rapidtrades : so we don't have to go through with this charade
[2016-10-29 09:57:49] Coach_Z : how kind of you
[2016-10-29 09:58:08] aethlios : yes better adjustable limits so bulls can dream 30 btc price, and 8 hours burden gives time to watch what polo does. if limits had stayed the mess wouldn't happen.
[2016-10-29 09:58:41] rapidtrades : aethlios: how stupid are u dude....limits were dumb back then and more so now
[2016-10-29 09:58:54] rapidtrades : it says ZEC....it should follow zes price
[2016-10-29 09:59:07] rapidtrades : only reason it doesn't is cos bitmex decided to bailout the shorties
[2016-10-29 09:59:17] rapidtrades : why idk...doesn't make it right tho
[2016-10-29 09:59:35] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 500 @ 0.01540
[2016-10-29 09:59:41] rapidtrades : u can't ask for limits just becos it suits u now
[2016-10-29 09:59:42] aethlios : zec now has a limited supply, in 3 months ok remove limits and mark to spot.
[2016-10-29 09:59:48] rapidtrades : what if we crash to 0.1 on polo
[2016-10-29 09:59:57] rapidtrades : aethlios: great
[2016-10-29 10:00:05] rapidtrades : take this idiot advice pls
[2016-10-29 10:00:38] rapidtrades : this is the same guy who 'invested' in buttfinex
[2016-10-29 10:00:44] rapidtrades : telling u how to run the exchange
[2016-10-29 10:00:49] rapidtrades : plz take his advice
[2016-10-29 10:01:28] aethlios : crash to 0.1 is the same as pump to 2000 btc, ok traders can move price to limit up or down, if spot stays 0.1 then contract will finally reach that price.
[2016-10-29 10:01:34] Coach_Z : it wouldn't matter if limits were removed, nothing is hyping the coin to 10 again
[2016-10-29 10:01:59] aethlios : Coach_Z: manipulator can run the book
[2016-10-29 10:02:33] rapidtrades : yea a manipulator who sees the actual price on the market....EIGHT
[2016-10-29 10:03:03] Coach_Z : "fuuuu-turres"
[2016-10-29 10:03:08] rapidtrades : that would be some f*cking manipulation would'nt it
[2016-10-29 10:03:29] rapidtrades : u running the price at 80 below market, taht's not maniulation no
[2016-10-29 10:03:46] rapidtrades : greedy f*cks
[2016-10-29 10:03:56] rapidtrades : at least keep ur bailout mouths shut
[2016-10-29 10:03:58] aethlios : better to have adjustable limits per 8 hours than cap, until polo has adequate volume to be able to mark to spot index. that's my opinion.
[2016-10-29 10:04:12] rapidtrades : whatever, could care less either way
[2016-10-29 10:04:53] lopol : So how does zec mark price 1.225 reflect to polo 8? Doesnt make sense to me
[2016-10-29 10:05:10] rapidtrades : it doesn't...up to bitmex discretion now
[2016-10-29 10:05:18] Coach_Z : lopol, we're betting on the price when it expires in dec 30th
[2016-10-29 10:06:31] rapidtrades : not rly, we're betting on when and how will bitmex mark to market
[2016-10-29 10:07:32] aethlios : soon spot 2.5 btc, here 0.6
[2016-10-29 10:08:17] aethlios : rapidtrades: dump your longs now that you can, stop dreaming 50 price
[2016-10-29 10:09:59] lopol : So someone who shorted yesterday at price 10 would have made huge profits cause price is now little over 1?
[2016-10-29 10:10:20] Tetsuo : maybe?
[2016-10-29 10:10:51] lopol : damn so easy money
[2016-10-29 10:11:22] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC7D`: Sell 2923 @ 0.001354
[2016-10-29 10:14:37] rapidtrades : zec back up to 9.5
[2016-10-29 10:14:47] rapidtrades : bitmex playing with fire here
[2016-10-29 10:17:58] lockhedge : rapidtrades: only 249 ZEC have been mined and only 18 ZEC sell orders (vs. 66 here) on polo.
[2016-10-29 10:18:08] aethlios : lopol: to much fear to short there (10) we didn't know what will happen with the cap
[2016-10-29 10:18:21] Tetsuo : zec back to 15-20 on polo today!
[2016-10-29 10:18:36] Tetsuo : fair price for a fair coin
[2016-10-29 10:21:10] aethlios : all alts dead as btc marches and still below 1000.
[2016-10-29 10:21:57] aethlios : only logic explanation is buyers buy at 10 as a souvenir
[2016-10-29 10:22:21] dasdfasdf : They see it as a collectible
[2016-10-29 10:23:24] aethlios : show to grandchildren....
[2016-10-29 10:24:25] lopol : Isn't there amy market making by bitmex or are all the orders from traders?
[2016-10-29 10:24:25] mjmj83 : Many here forget that this is a future here at Bitmex... it makes a lot of sense that this is trading below polo's price.
[2016-10-29 10:25:56] aethlios : eth falling fast, polo has a new toy now
[2016-10-29 10:26:33] aethlios : zec a good first attempt, at next overhyped coin bitmex will be prepared.
[2016-10-29 10:27:45] zanza : how is the Casino going today boys ?
[2016-10-29 10:28:53] Tetsuo : zanza: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_05qJTeNNI&feature=youtu.be&t=12s
[2016-10-29 10:29:11] aethlios : calm session today.
[2016-10-29 10:29:30] zanza : :o
[2016-10-29 10:29:55] zanza : calm session, ZEC only traded in 1000% ranges
[2016-10-29 10:30:23] lopol : So is there information how zec mining will generrate nyt zecs?
[2016-10-29 10:30:29] Tetsuo : i´m honest guys, i´m buying some XMR here
[2016-10-29 10:30:41] zanza : cheap XMR
[2016-10-29 10:31:18] kryptopojken : polo down
[2016-10-29 10:31:36] Tetsuo : hacked and robbed?
[2016-10-29 10:31:48] aethlios : next leg btc up next few hours, 3month could hit 800
[2016-10-29 10:32:14] Tetsuo : yep
[2016-10-29 10:32:14] zanza : all this segwit chaos is going to hit soon
[2016-10-29 10:32:24] zanza : ViaBTC is blocking Core/SegWit activation
[2016-10-29 10:32:44] zanza : bearish imo
[2016-10-29 10:32:51] aethlios : zanza: when you think the new wallet goes live?
[2016-10-29 10:33:05] zanza : what do you mean?
[2016-10-29 10:33:28] aethlios : the new features will be in a new version? 0.14?
[2016-10-29 10:34:00] aethlios : i don't understand tech issues a lot, only basic after a lot of research
[2016-10-29 10:34:01] Techemy : lol bearish
[2016-10-29 10:34:13] Techemy : cya on the moon
[2016-10-29 10:35:50] Techemy : next stop 5k cny
[2016-10-29 10:36:19] aethlios : let's test 800, last resistance before previous ATH 1175 usd
[2016-10-29 10:37:38] Techemy : i think it will bounce from 725 back down then ATH from there. merry xmas
[2016-10-29 10:38:02] aethlios : zanza: what is your opinion about xmr from tech perspective?
[2016-10-29 10:38:41] zanza : not too much, I have read that with higher volume XMR breaks down meaning it scales greater than linearly
[2016-10-29 10:39:15] aethlios : zanza: it is totally different than btc code?
[2016-10-29 10:40:10] writlarge : yes, it's a separate code base
[2016-10-29 10:45:15] Tetsuo : well maybe i wait till 0.005 until startin buyin XMR
[2016-10-29 10:46:00] Tetsuo : BTC the alt slayer knows no mercy
[2016-10-29 10:47:49] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 500 @ 704.32
[2016-10-29 10:47:49] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 7260 @ 703.63
[2016-10-29 10:47:52] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 100 @ 704.37
[2016-10-29 10:51:14] lopol : Does bitmex offer market making or are all the orders from traders?
[2016-10-29 10:51:43] Tetsuo : no one knows
[2016-10-29 10:52:11] aethlios : zec has different fees 0 maker 0.25% taker
[2016-10-29 10:56:18] zanza : Honestly, the problem with Monero, fully anonymous, is that if Monero becomes known as just the drug dealer/illegal activity coin, then it will be regulated at the state level
[2016-10-29 10:57:11] zanza : so every monero transaction would be considered shady
[2016-10-29 10:57:54] zanza : idk, I still would prefer Bitcoin anonymous solutions a few ideas are proposed
[2016-10-29 10:58:11] writlarge : also a problem with zec, maybe even moreso, because there is a central company behind it
[2016-10-29 10:58:16] zanza : also I like smart contracts on Bitcoin also (rootstock) having too many alts just confuses things
[2016-10-29 10:58:55] zanza : yeah XMR = federal reserve
[2016-10-29 11:00:20] aethlios : zanza: thanks for the info.
[2016-10-29 11:03:33] REKT : Liquidated short on `ZECZ16`: Buy 1 @ 1.319968
[2016-10-29 11:06:01] fiq : is zec going up or down? which is more likely? and why?
[2016-10-29 11:06:10] rapidtrades : i think thats the first liquuidated short since bitmex started manipulating the marked
[2016-10-29 11:09:05] Tetsuo : do we know the names of these manipulators and y isn´t police arresting them?
[2016-10-29 11:11:52] Tetsuo : Trump is not going to be amused when he hears about the ZEC manipulations! He will jail em all!
[2016-10-29 11:16:47] laisee : Bill & Hilary are mining ZEC
[2016-10-29 11:17:08] rapidtrades : has zec mining difficulty adjusted
[2016-10-29 11:17:25] Gemz : why is the btc price lower than other exchanges?
[2016-10-29 11:17:40] laisee : yes. going up slowly
[2016-10-29 11:19:23] laisee : "difficulty" : 25914.81278858,
[2016-10-29 11:22:01] cryptor : guys, .. quick fee question .. does the BTC swap cost 0.517% fee a day ? (1,001719^3-1) ?
[2016-10-29 11:22:56] rapidtrades : nope
[2016-10-29 11:23:15] cryptor : what does it cost then ?
[2016-10-29 11:23:32] rapidtrades : 0.517%
[2016-10-29 11:23:39] rapidtrades : u'll pay it in 37 mins
[2016-10-29 11:23:59] rapidtrades : wait...
[2016-10-29 11:24:04] cryptor : thats what I said right? 0.517%?
[2016-10-29 11:24:05] rapidtrades : it says 0.17
[2016-10-29 11:24:20] rapidtrades : that's what u'll pay now
[2016-10-29 11:24:28] rapidtrades : and 0.3% in 8 hrs...if ur long
[2016-10-29 11:24:33] cryptor : yes therefore: 1,001719^3-1
[2016-10-29 11:24:36] rapidtrades : shorts receive that
[2016-10-29 11:24:50] rapidtrades : no.....every 8h period is calculated seperately
[2016-10-29 11:25:22] cryptor : ok, but 0.517% a day is an enormous fee
[2016-10-29 11:25:33] cryptor : thats 557% a year
[2016-10-29 11:25:46] rapidtrades : u got it
[2016-10-29 11:25:57] cryptor : who does that?
[2016-10-29 11:26:09] rapidtrades : average is 40-60% per annum from our records
[2016-10-29 11:26:22] rapidtrades : but we're going up now...so longs pay the price
[2016-10-29 11:27:32] rapidtrades : more then usual :)
[2016-10-29 11:27:43] cryptor : ok, so just to be sure fee for futures is 0,075% (taker) + 0.05% (settlement) = 0,125% correct?
[2016-10-29 11:28:04] rapidtrades : no the swap never settles
[2016-10-29 11:28:19] cryptor : I mean for the future contract
[2016-10-29 11:28:25] rapidtrades : yeah
[2016-10-29 11:28:34] rapidtrades : sounds about right
[2016-10-29 11:29:03] cryptor : so fee wise just for a day its 0.125% (future) vs. 0.517% (swap)
[2016-10-29 11:29:15] cryptor : is that correct?
[2016-10-29 11:29:56] rapidtrades : kinda....but that 0.517% is a trasfer from longs to short, not a fee per say
[2016-10-29 11:30:47] cryptor : I just don't get why anyone would use the swap if you have the choice to take the future
[2016-10-29 11:30:52] rapidtrades : also it's dynamic, it changes all the time...generall tho longs pay
[2016-10-29 11:31:07] rapidtrades : leverage, liquidity
[2016-10-29 11:31:18] rapidtrades : also if u long the future u pay $40 premium irght away
[2016-10-29 11:31:19] cryptor : leverage is the same by now right?
[2016-10-29 11:31:26] rapidtrades : right
[2016-10-29 11:31:28] cryptor : 100 for both instruments
[2016-10-29 11:31:36] rapidtrades : so liquidity :)