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[2016-10-28 14:10:04] jung1 : you crazy fuckers, its now over 8000%
[2016-10-28 14:10:11] zfan : that 1.88 thing was supposed to be 2 - 4- 10 - 100
[2016-10-28 14:10:20] kryptopojken : zfan: so u mean it's kinda over
[2016-10-28 14:10:25] kryptopojken : the upside "risk"
[2016-10-28 14:10:31] chromaticcr1 : kryptopojken: i would have sharted my pants for few times if i were you
[2016-10-28 14:10:32] Sidwick : is there a zec slack?
[2016-10-28 14:10:40] kryptopojken : chromaticcr1: yeah dude
[2016-10-28 14:10:42] kryptopojken : u have no idea
[2016-10-28 14:10:46] thorium : where is zec wallet?
[2016-10-28 14:10:46] kryptopojken : entry price 0,82
[2016-10-28 14:10:55] aethlios : mining started??
[2016-10-28 14:11:11] laisee : thorium: cmd line version only, last I looked
[2016-10-28 14:11:21] chromaticcr1 : kryptopojken: your pockets is quite deep that you survived just now
[2016-10-28 14:11:29] kryptopojken : chromaticcr1: yes i loaded up
[2016-10-28 14:11:34] kryptopojken : just to cover for this
[2016-10-28 14:11:37] thorium : laisee: in here
[2016-10-28 14:12:12] laisee : thorium: no such thing, currenlty. maybe if ZEC really take soff ...
[2016-10-28 14:14:04] jose : wallet released !
[2016-10-28 14:14:36] wurstgelee : https://twitter.com/mineZcash/status/792006152682807296
[2016-10-28 14:14:38] wurstgelee : dunno if legit
[2016-10-28 14:14:40] sally : mods I need help
[2016-10-28 14:14:45] wurstgelee : but if - two hours from now approx
[2016-10-28 14:14:47] sally : please remove those green bars
[2016-10-28 14:14:55] wurstgelee : ?
[2016-10-28 14:15:03] wurstgelee : green bars? oO
[2016-10-28 14:15:16] sally : the auto deleverage bars
[2016-10-28 14:15:34] wurstgelee : oh those. why?
[2016-10-28 14:15:41] wurstgelee : because u dont like them? ;)
[2016-10-28 14:15:50] sally : I dont like them
[2016-10-28 14:15:55] jung1 : Users: 1790
[2016-10-28 14:15:56] sally : this trickery is too much
[2016-10-28 14:16:11] jung1 : like 1000 new users couse of zcash
[2016-10-28 14:16:12] sally : i want to short zcash at 5 btc, so simple
[2016-10-28 14:16:14] jung1 : good move
[2016-10-28 14:16:25] wurstgelee : sally: i am no admin here but i would assume, they dont change the site for everyone because u dont like it ;)
[2016-10-28 14:16:30] sleger : the goldman sachs of bitcoin is just a casino
[2016-10-28 14:16:39] sally : and then buy it at 3btc and sell at 100
[2016-10-28 14:17:29] sally : everyone knows it will be over 12btc a zec to start and then likely over 100 by tomorrow
[2016-10-28 14:17:30] jose : launch in 2 hours
[2016-10-28 14:18:06] martinium : sally: you must know oracles
[2016-10-28 14:18:11] rasdasd : 100zec in first 24h x 1.7btc..do your math
[2016-10-28 14:18:23] maker101 : Smoother trade for those that can't handle Zcash just short Monero hahah. NN! :)
[2016-10-28 14:18:31] sally : martinium: no. Im just a pro at t zcash launches
[2016-10-28 14:18:34] wurstgelee : maker101: ;)
[2016-10-28 14:18:46] martinium : :D
[2016-10-28 14:19:03] Rado : a lot of experts all of a sudden
[2016-10-28 14:19:14] Rado : BitMEX what have you done with our exchange?
[2016-10-28 14:19:19] Rado : turned it into Poloniex
[2016-10-28 14:19:29] Rado : lol
[2016-10-28 14:19:34] maker101 : Rado: This is new Polo
[2016-10-28 14:19:37] wurstgelee : Rado: it will become less polo once polo has zcash
[2016-10-28 14:19:40] wurstgelee : i hope
[2016-10-28 14:19:57] BitMEX_Sam : I expect due to limited supply that we'll still remain the most liquid ZEC exchange for a few weeks.
[2016-10-28 14:20:08] BitMEX_Sam : We will see.
[2016-10-28 14:20:11] wurstgelee : BitMEX_Sam: oh right, i forgot that
[2016-10-28 14:20:20] wurstgelee : BitMEX_Sam: whatever u did, lagging seems gone now
[2016-10-28 14:20:23] wurstgelee : thanks
[2016-10-28 14:20:30] jung1 : BitMEX_Sam: congratulations of amount of users!
[2016-10-28 14:20:38] chromaticcr1 : make it 2k
[2016-10-28 14:20:38] BitMEX_Sam : wurstgelee: Yes, we had a slow server in the rotation. Put a faster one in its place.
[2016-10-28 14:20:41] jung1 : I am proud of you
[2016-10-28 14:20:52] BitMEX_Sam : Thanks - I think we'll hit 2k by Zc genesis
[2016-10-28 14:21:09] martinium : is there any known time for zc genesis block?
[2016-10-28 14:21:12] wurstgelee : BitMEX_Sam: slow? it felt like someone manually copying those packets instead of a proxy
[2016-10-28 14:21:13] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-10-28 14:21:20] BitMEX_Sam : No. Zooko said something like "when I wake up"
[2016-10-28 14:21:24] sally : BitMEX_Sam: easily 10btc plus and then 100
[2016-10-28 14:21:27] wurstgelee : https://twitter.com/mineZcash/status/792006152682807296
[2016-10-28 14:21:28] jung1 : wurstgelee: chinese kids
[2016-10-28 14:21:29] wurstgelee : ~2h
[2016-10-28 14:21:30] BitMEX_Sam : Although some chatter in Slack re: 2hrs
[2016-10-28 14:21:36] wurstgelee : yep
[2016-10-28 14:21:40] wurstgelee : 2h is last i heard
[2016-10-28 14:21:41] BitMEX_Sam : wurstgelee: Yeah we ran out of monkeys
[2016-10-28 14:21:50] wurstgelee : BitMEX_Sam: ;)
[2016-10-28 14:22:03] BitMEX_Sam : Modern linux only has so many ttys
[2016-10-28 14:22:06] michiel_kaas : Genesis cloud mining contracts are selled out...
[2016-10-28 14:22:09] michiel_kaas : for zcash
[2016-10-28 14:22:23] wurstgelee : michiel_kaas: thats so stupid tbh
[2016-10-28 14:22:25] chromaticcr1 : i can literally see the margin call happen in the coming hour
[2016-10-28 14:22:29] aili : risky gamblers here to buy so high, withou buy support
[2016-10-28 14:22:30] laisee : how to pay?
[2016-10-28 14:22:31] wurstgelee : those hashes offered are ridiculous
[2016-10-28 14:22:37] wurstgelee : compared to public open source miners
[2016-10-28 14:22:47] michiel_kaas : ?
[2016-10-28 14:22:57] michiel_kaas : too expensive/
[2016-10-28 14:23:01] wurstgelee : michiel_kaas: you wont make money, cloud mining is way to expensive
[2016-10-28 14:23:12] wurstgelee : its a lot cheaper to mine @ home or rent a rig
[2016-10-28 14:23:18] michiel_kaas : Dude wtf look at those prices
[2016-10-28 14:23:24] BitMEX_Sam : Cloud mining buyers got completely murdered about 3wk ago.
[2016-10-28 14:23:28] chromaticcr1 : michiel_kaas: short it then
[2016-10-28 14:23:29] wurstgelee : BitMEX_Sam: that
[2016-10-28 14:23:34] BitMEX_Sam : Sol/s rate went up by nearly 500x due to the miner competition.
[2016-10-28 14:23:38] shapeshifter : Cloud mining is a scam
[2016-10-28 14:23:40] michiel_kaas : No I mean the zcash prices 0,0
[2016-10-28 14:23:41] wurstgelee : BitMEX_Sam: exactly :(
[2016-10-28 14:23:43] wurstgelee : =)
[2016-10-28 14:23:44] BitMEX_Sam : Everyone who bought early hash power bought it at a massive premium.
[2016-10-28 14:23:50] michiel_kaas : did you guys already invested?
[2016-10-28 14:23:53] shapeshifter : cost 5x than mining wiht you own rig
[2016-10-28 14:24:05] BitMEX_Sam : I was getting about 1sol/90s on a basic digitalocean machine, after yesterday's Tromp release I was getting 2.5/s
[2016-10-28 14:24:10] numhero : BitMEX_Sam: Why I can't find my trade history, Zcash price0.339B, 20:29:03, 2016-10-28
[2016-10-28 14:24:11] wurstgelee : ppower is too expensive in germany, so no, no mining
[2016-10-28 14:24:20] wurstgelee : also i cba to either trade or mine. not both
[2016-10-28 14:24:23] michiel_kaas : Did you guys already buy zcash?
[2016-10-28 14:24:29] wurstgelee : i chose trading, less efoort, less noise, less everything
[2016-10-28 14:24:30] BitMEX_Sam : numhero: Go to https://www.bitmex.com/app/tradeHistory
[2016-10-28 14:24:30] wurstgelee : =)
[2016-10-28 14:24:50] wurstgelee : michiel_kaas: bought and told several times. not zcash of but futures here
[2016-10-28 14:24:54] wurstgelee : *sold
[2016-10-28 14:25:07] rasdasd : only 12 contracts to 2.4btc insane
[2016-10-28 14:25:08] michiel_kaas : Hmm
[2016-10-28 14:25:23] michiel_kaas : Should I buy some zcash?
[2016-10-28 14:25:31] sleger : yes please
[2016-10-28 14:25:32] chromaticcr1 : michiel_kaas: y note
[2016-10-28 14:25:36] chromaticcr1 : not*
[2016-10-28 14:25:42] michiel_kaas : y not?
[2016-10-28 14:25:46] michiel_kaas : what you mean
[2016-10-28 14:25:47] numhero : BitMEX_Sam: why i lose my trading account. There is no 0.339 price,
[2016-10-28 14:26:08] sleger : numhero: once a day a user is chosen randomly
[2016-10-28 14:26:18] sleger : and all is money is split to the community, that's for insurance fund
[2016-10-28 14:26:23] sleger : bad luck bro :(
[2016-10-28 14:26:24] michiel_kaas : How much will the price be tommorow? Over 9000
[2016-10-28 14:26:28] chromaticcr1 : sleger: are you sure it is just 1
[2016-10-28 14:26:41] sleger : one chinese and one normal user
[2016-10-28 14:26:55] wurstgelee : lol
[2016-10-28 14:26:56] michiel_kaas : I don't even have that much money right now
[2016-10-28 14:26:58] BitMEX_Sam : numhero: That price printed is your bankruptcy price - please see your email, your liquidation price is higher.
[2016-10-28 14:27:03] michiel_kaas : can't you buy half bitcoins?
[2016-10-28 14:27:07] chromaticcr1 : sleger: I guess i need to be double counter
[2016-10-28 14:27:09] chromaticcr1 : counted*
[2016-10-28 14:27:19] michiel_kaas : half zcash***
[2016-10-28 14:27:52] michiel_kaas : When can you buy like .1 zcash?
[2016-10-28 14:27:55] Eric_Arber : i lost my account margin window, while moving things around, how do I get it back in my interface?
[2016-10-28 14:28:08] gielbier : kaas
[2016-10-28 14:28:15] michiel_kaas : Yo giel
[2016-10-28 14:28:23] michiel_kaas : Heb jij al zcash gekocht?
[2016-10-28 14:28:25] jespern : BitMEX_Sam: which tromp fork do you mean?
[2016-10-28 14:28:31] gielbier : nope :)
[2016-10-28 14:28:43] BitMEX_Sam : jespern: Not a fork, just his basic release yest before the competition ended.
[2016-10-28 14:28:44] jung1 : Eric_Arber: turn off and turn on your pc
[2016-10-28 14:28:44] michiel_kaas : hoezo niet?
[2016-10-28 14:28:52] gielbier : is er nog niet :P
[2016-10-28 14:28:53] BitMEX_Sam : I'm sure there's another 30-40% that has been made, probably by xenoncat.
[2016-10-28 14:28:56] michiel_kaas : Jawel
[2016-10-28 14:29:01] gielbier : futures daarentegen :P
[2016-10-28 14:29:09] michiel_kaas : zcash is een half uurtje geleden gelaunched
[2016-10-28 14:29:18] michiel_kaas : wat bedoelt iedereen met futures
[2016-10-28 14:29:31] Rado : 2m208 XBT turnover in the last 24H
[2016-10-28 14:29:34] Rado : impresive
[2016-10-28 14:29:42] shapeshifter : BitMEX_Sam: do you know whats the fastest OpenCL for AMD?
[2016-10-28 14:29:46] jung1 : Rado: hi rado!
[2016-10-28 14:29:54] Rado : jung1: hey
[2016-10-28 14:29:56] BitMEX_Sam : shapeshifter: I don't, check the Zcash slack.
[2016-10-28 14:30:02] jespern : BitMEX_Sam: gotcha. but it hasn't been implemented in anything stratum-capable yet, right?
[2016-10-28 14:30:02] jung1 : BitMEX_Sam: any giveaway for 2k users?
[2016-10-28 14:30:11] BitMEX_Sam : jung1: Wally will do a jig
[2016-10-28 14:30:15] shapeshifter : jespern: nhminer
[2016-10-28 14:30:19] Rado : lol
[2016-10-28 14:30:24] BitMEX_Sam : jespern: Tromp is already in a stratum miner, nheqminer
[2016-10-28 14:30:31] laisee : jung1: BMX can offer free trading lessons ...
[2016-10-28 14:30:33] BitMEX_Sam : I believe someone's working on xenoncat to get the extra few % out.
[2016-10-28 14:30:34] gielbier : michiel_kaas: genesis block moet nog gereleased worden.
[2016-10-28 14:30:42] Eric_Arber : BitMEX_Sam: how do i restore my account windows, opening a new windows did not work? do i have to relog?
[2016-10-28 14:30:45] BitMEX_Sam : But official zc should have the most efficient miner built in.
[2016-10-28 14:30:49] jespern : cool, I'm running nheqminer, you mentioned yesterday's tromp release, so was wondering if there was anything new.
[2016-10-28 14:30:54] BitMEX_Sam : Eric_Arber: I'm not sure what you're referring to.
[2016-10-28 14:31:22] wurstgelee : Eric_Arber: reset your layout?
[2016-10-28 14:31:31] Rado : BitMEX_Sam: soon you might need a person dedicated to chat support
[2016-10-28 14:31:31] rapidtrades : can i mine with my laptop? lol
[2016-10-28 14:31:32] Eric_Arber : BitMEX_Sam: on my main contract interface, there is orderbook,chart,positions etc.. and I am missing the windows that shows my ,argin
[2016-10-28 14:31:32] sleger : reboot
[2016-10-28 14:31:37] Eric_Arber : sure how do you reset layout?
[2016-10-28 14:31:41] wurstgelee : click on your account name on -> reset layout
[2016-10-28 14:31:46] BitMEX_Sam : :+1:
[2016-10-28 14:31:57] BitMEX_Sam : rapidtrades: Yeah actually, that's part of the stated goal of equihash
[2016-10-28 14:32:25] BitMEX_Sam : Democratizing mining by making an alg that's memory-hard and works badly on GPUs/ASICs
[2016-10-28 14:32:28] michiel_kaas : Maar wat voor zcash kan je hier dan kopen?
[2016-10-28 14:32:28] wurstgelee : i have some ms azure balance lying somehwere ...mebbe 300 or 400$
[2016-10-28 14:32:38] wurstgelee : i might spin up some VMs if i get ored and see what they can do ;)
[2016-10-28 14:32:43] michiel_kaas : What for zcash can you buy right now on bitmex?
[2016-10-28 14:32:43] wurstgelee : *bored
[2016-10-28 14:33:04] Rado : By the way I read an article from gavin explaining why Monero is way better than Zcash
[2016-10-28 14:33:09] laisee : michiel_kaas: trading lessons
[2016-10-28 14:33:09] jung1 : michiel_kaas: dignity
[2016-10-28 14:33:18] Eric_Arber : I don't see and option to reset layout?
[2016-10-28 14:33:24] michiel_kaas : Bruuhhhh
[2016-10-28 14:33:36] michiel_kaas : So actually all this zcash here is fake?
[2016-10-28 14:33:45] jung1 : its futures
[2016-10-28 14:33:45] gielbier : it are futures
[2016-10-28 14:33:53] jung1 : bets between traders
[2016-10-28 14:33:54] michiel_kaas : And over 23 hours the real zcash will be here
[2016-10-28 14:33:58] jung1 : we are trend setters
[2016-10-28 14:34:03] michiel_kaas : and that zcash will be expensive as fuck
[2016-10-28 14:34:03] laisee : michiel_kaas: there are no Z$ here. Keep it secret pls
[2016-10-28 14:34:14] BitMEX_Sam : Eric_Arber: Choose the "Advanced" layout
[2016-10-28 14:34:18] michiel_kaas : okay
[2016-10-28 14:34:39] rapidtrades : it's a fractional Zcash reserve
[2016-10-28 14:34:43] jung1 : michiel_kaas: we decide here what will be bitcoin price in global markets
[2016-10-28 14:34:43] CaptainDean : there is no way the Zcash will worth 1.7 BTC tomorow
[2016-10-28 14:34:45] rapidtrades : with 0 reserve
[2016-10-28 14:34:49] CaptainDean : or i will be mining it as fuck
[2016-10-28 14:35:10] rapidtrades : isn't there only 400 to mine on day1?
[2016-10-28 14:35:14] rapidtrades : why bother
[2016-10-28 14:35:25] rapidtrades : 25k total
[2016-10-28 14:35:30] laisee : fractional reserver where the fraction is Z$ero
[2016-10-28 14:35:31] Rado : I don't even know how exchanges will handle the small float
[2016-10-28 14:35:43] Rado : Kraken, Bitfinex and Polo are all listing ZEC
[2016-10-28 14:35:47] michiel_kaas : But dude that zcash from tommorow will ne fking expensive
[2016-10-28 14:35:53] rapidtrades : sry 250k
[2016-10-28 14:36:02] michiel_kaas : 0,0
[2016-10-28 14:36:07] CaptainDean : The price here doesn't mean nothing imo
[2016-10-28 14:36:15] michiel_kaas : Yeah but still
[2016-10-28 14:36:17] BitMEX_Greg : Rado: The smart exchanges will be offering miners incentive to sell their ZEC on their exchange
[2016-10-28 14:36:27] michiel_kaas : where is btw one profit calculator for zcash
[2016-10-28 14:36:32] michiel_kaas : or will it be there tommorow
[2016-10-28 14:36:40] BitMEX_Greg : CaptainDean: who knows, I am sure the miners will look here for price guidance to some extent
[2016-10-28 14:36:48] Rado : BitMEX_Greg: still I wouldn't list it before there is a good amount mined
[2016-10-28 14:37:01] BitMEX_Greg : michiel_kaas: Click the little calculator icon next to the cog wheel on the trade page
[2016-10-28 14:37:03] sally : price here means everything
[2016-10-28 14:37:08] BitMEX_Greg : michiel_kaas: top left above the order entry
[2016-10-28 14:37:29] BitMEX_Greg : Rado: the exchanges want a piece of the ZEC pie
[2016-10-28 14:37:32] michiel_kaas : Btw I need to go to my work
[2016-10-28 14:37:33] CaptainDean : sally: Based on what ? Thin air ?
[2016-10-28 14:37:35] michiel_kaas : see you later
[2016-10-28 14:37:43] michiel_kaas : bye bye
[2016-10-28 14:38:00] Rado : BitMEX_Greg: I understand, but a lot of people will get killed
[2016-10-28 14:38:10] BitMEX_Greg : michiel_kaas: ciao
[2016-10-28 14:38:23] BitMEX_Greg : Rado: this is crypto, its expected
[2016-10-28 14:38:34] Rado : :-) true
[2016-10-28 14:38:35] CaptainDean : BitMEX_Greg: Zcash doesn't even exist and it worth what ? 1 Billion atm ?
[2016-10-28 14:39:02] BitMEX_Greg : CaptainDean: insane, but think about the potential for it
[2016-10-28 14:39:12] BitMEX_Greg : like why Bitcoin even rallied to 1k in the first place
[2016-10-28 14:39:15] RoftheN : 1 billion it's more than bitcoin if you look at total supply, so it's 12-15 billion. But that's not the real worth
[2016-10-28 14:39:18] BitMEX_Greg : what is the TRUE use case for crypto?
[2016-10-28 14:39:36] Rado : One thing is for sure, ZEC is not worth more than 1 BTC in the long run
[2016-10-28 14:39:39] CaptainDean : BitMEX_Greg: it took years, not before it was even launch
[2016-10-28 14:39:44] rapidtrades : BitMEX_Greg: bitcoin had first mover advantage plus best developers team
[2016-10-28 14:39:51] Rado : BitMEX_Greg: the only reason ZEC is this high is the supply
[2016-10-28 14:39:52] RoftheN : I agree rado, but today it will be pumped
[2016-10-28 14:39:57] Rado : that is not a good reason to invest
[2016-10-28 14:39:58] laisee : anonymous pr0n
[2016-10-28 14:40:13] Rado : RoftheN: It will
[2016-10-28 14:40:22] Rado : good luck trying to figure out where it will stop
[2016-10-28 14:40:26] rapidtrades : when will bitmex decide to exchange
[2016-10-28 14:40:33] habibi : I need to admit, adl is a blessing in zcash
[2016-10-28 14:40:35] RoftheN : Idk, that's why I'll short tomorrow and not today
[2016-10-28 14:40:44] Eric_Arber : I just read about ADL and understand liq price as it's shown in open positions, but where is bankruptcy price shown or explained?
[2016-10-28 14:40:48] CaptainDean : BitMEX_Greg: Anyway, I understand my logical thinking doesn't means it'll be reality and it may be the price will see at launch
[2016-10-28 14:40:54] Rado : rapidtrades: If I wish they will do an index
[2016-10-28 14:41:02] Rado : 3 exchanges are listing it from the get go
[2016-10-28 14:41:07] BitMEX_Greg : Yeah, well it sure has surprised me anyway
[2016-10-28 14:41:10] BitMEX_Greg : Insane market
[2016-10-28 14:41:29] CaptainDean : In fact, I just wish I had bought some yesturday before bed time, 0.7 BTC :P
[2016-10-28 14:41:31] Rado : BitMEX_Greg: how many MMs on ZEC?
[2016-10-28 14:41:40] rasdasd : in first 7 days there will be only 5 thousand coins
[2016-10-28 14:41:55] BitMEX_Greg : Rado: No idea actually
[2016-10-28 14:42:10] Cheese : I got the 90 min tweet warning
[2016-10-28 14:42:12] moon : when I can withdraw the profit I made on ZEC?
[2016-10-28 14:42:50] Rado : moon: once per day
[2016-10-28 14:43:19] laisee : CaptainDean: bought at 0.12, ADL at 0.78
[2016-10-28 14:43:36] CaptainDean : laisee: nice profit :P
[2016-10-28 14:43:39] numero : I'm hopping in and out to avoid ADL
[2016-10-28 14:43:52] numero : not sure if that helps or not...
[2016-10-28 14:43:53] Rado : laisee: nice
[2016-10-28 14:44:01] laisee : yeah, better than a kick in the head ...
[2016-10-28 14:44:03] rapidtrades : Cheese: tweet warning for what
[2016-10-28 14:44:08] rapidtrades : is zec live now?
[2016-10-28 14:44:10] CaptainDean : laisee: since my experience with trading is limited, I'm pretty much learning things around, I never touched ZCash for that reason
[2016-10-28 14:44:32] Cheese : rapidtrades: when the limit was raised
[2016-10-28 14:45:22] RoftheN : ZEC still seems not to be live, guess the 13 UTC was bullshit
[2016-10-28 14:45:40] rapidtrades : lol
[2016-10-28 14:45:45] Rado : MMs must be very happy with this ZEC spread
[2016-10-28 14:45:55] rapidtrades : 13 UTC is in 15 mins?
[2016-10-28 14:45:58] CaptainDean : Does we have any Zcash windows wlalet ?
[2016-10-28 14:45:58] BitMEX_Greg : moon: Withdrawals occur daily at 13:00 UTC
[2016-10-28 14:46:04] CaptainDean : I might try to mine some
[2016-10-28 14:46:06] BitMEX_Greg : rapidtrades: Yes
[2016-10-28 14:46:14] davesafe : .
[2016-10-28 14:46:23] CaptainDean : Do we have**
[2016-10-28 14:47:12] BitMEX_Greg : rapidtrades: sorry incorrect
[2016-10-28 14:47:21] rapidtrades : yeah 2 hrs ago
[2016-10-28 14:47:37] BitMEX_Sam : UTC time is always in the ticker, top right of your screen.
[2016-10-28 14:47:39] BitMEX_Greg : rapidtrades: Currently its 14:47 UTC
[2016-10-28 14:47:45] unchained : i will trade zcash on bittrex
[2016-10-28 14:47:53] Rado : UTC: 2:47 PM
[2016-10-28 14:48:04] davesafe : went to check on my zcash i bought
[2016-10-28 14:48:13] davesafe : guess bitmex sold it already for me at .12. thanks guys!
[2016-10-28 14:48:30] davesafe : 'In accordance with BitMEX's risk management policies, your ZECZ16 position was identified as a high-risk or high-profit position.'
[2016-10-28 14:48:35] davesafe : seems legit
[2016-10-28 14:48:37] Gemz : davesafe: what do u mean bitmex sold it for you
[2016-10-28 14:48:45] CaptainDean : Gemz: ADL
[2016-10-28 14:48:53] Gemz : dafuq is adl?
[2016-10-28 14:48:54] BitMEX_Greg : davesafe: This is the AutoDeleveraging policy, please read https://www.bitmex.com/app/autoDeleveraging
[2016-10-28 14:49:02] BitMEX_Greg : Gemz: AutoDeleveraging (ADL)
[2016-10-28 14:49:11] davesafe : sounds like a scam to me
[2016-10-28 14:49:18] sleger : it means when you make too much money your money is taken by the exchange
[2016-10-28 14:49:20] CaptainDean : davesafe: read ... it is not
[2016-10-28 14:49:43] sleger : same as the backdoor in a casino
[2016-10-28 14:49:48] Gemz : BitMEX_Greg: so adl comes in only when the liquidation cannot be filled
[2016-10-28 14:49:55] sleger : except you get to keep your knees
[2016-10-28 14:50:01] BitMEX_Greg : Gemz: Correct
[2016-10-28 14:50:06] Gemz : i see
[2016-10-28 14:50:22] Gemz : dammit i wanted to buy at 0.7 went away for an hour price jumped ffs
[2016-10-28 14:50:31] Gemz : wtf
[2016-10-28 14:50:52] Rado : Gemz: that's how trading works
[2016-10-28 14:50:57] Rado : might be good for you
[2016-10-28 14:51:26] davesafe : no other exchange has ever sold my position when i was in profit
[2016-10-28 14:51:27] Cheese : Gemz: should not of taken a break
[2016-10-28 14:51:41] davesafe : see ya later bucketshop bitmex
[2016-10-28 14:51:55] Gemz : davesafe: why was your position sold at a profit?
[2016-10-28 14:52:17] BitMEX_Sam : davesafe: See https://www.bitmex.com/app/autoDeleveraging
[2016-10-28 14:52:33] BitMEX_Sam : It is a loss recovery mechanism similar to socialized losses or the delev present on futures at CryptoFacilities or Huobi
[2016-10-28 14:52:35] Gemz : BitMEX_Sam: but that only when u are about to get liquidated, not in a profit?
[2016-10-28 14:52:36] sally : so how am I in the ADL so soon? Theres 541 other BTC positions that should be first
[2016-10-28 14:52:36] davesafe : bitmex sam see: ANY OTHER SITE
[2016-10-28 14:52:38] Rado : davesafe: you should trade regular crypto if you don't understand futures
[2016-10-28 14:52:50] sally : Do the market makers have ADL too?
[2016-10-28 14:52:53] BitMEX_Sam : If the money isn't in the system for you profit, something has to be done. This is how any comparable system works.
[2016-10-28 14:52:58] BitMEX_Sam : sally: Yes, everyone plays by the same rules.
[2016-10-28 14:53:00] Rado : sally: of course
[2016-10-28 14:53:18] sally : BitMEX_Sam: how is it possible im up for ADL already ?
[2016-10-28 14:53:31] BitMEX_Sam : sally: It's just an indication, it's a multiplier of your leverage and relative ROE %
[2016-10-28 14:53:37] BitMEX_Sam : See https://www.bitmex.com/app/autoDeleveraging
[2016-10-28 14:53:40] sally : there is 541 other btc that should be first
[2016-10-28 14:53:51] Gemz : so when u are in a profit, the system can still sell ur position, never heard about that
[2016-10-28 14:54:01] sally : BitMEX_Sam: im not using leverage ffs
[2016-10-28 14:54:18] BitMEX_Sam : 1x is still a leverage multiple. Read the doc please.
[2016-10-28 14:54:23] sally : nobody should take my ZEC
[2016-10-28 14:54:26] davesafe : ya i had 1x too lol
[2016-10-28 14:54:31] anonymous789 : Bitmex the contract size for zec:xbt should be smaller, maybe 0.5 zec or 0.25 zec per contract. The 1 zec contract size is way too much for people not wanting to take much risk.
[2016-10-28 14:54:33] sally : its going to 100 a BTC
[2016-10-28 14:54:37] Rado : sally: you don't have any ZEC
[2016-10-28 14:54:46] Rado : Thanks god I don't work for BitMEX
[2016-10-28 14:54:58] sally : Rado: yeah but the contract
[2016-10-28 14:55:04] Rado : I will curse all users for being stupid
[2016-10-28 14:55:17] RoftheN : Lol
[2016-10-28 14:55:31] sally : its gonna be over 100 btc a coin and im gonna miss out
[2016-10-28 14:55:50] RoftheN : It's going to be 100 BTC on Poloniex, not on bitmex
[2016-10-28 14:55:55] Rado : Fear of missing out is the best killer of traders
[2016-10-28 14:56:06] Gemz : ok i dont get this adl, thought it was only regarding liquidation, but seems it can sell ur profit even if u dont want to sell yet
[2016-10-28 14:56:09] sally : RoftheN: yeah and over 50btc here easy
[2016-10-28 14:56:14] Boontjie : So ZCash is worth $1K usd now
[2016-10-28 14:56:18] RoftheN : Maybe 10 or 20, not 50 I think
[2016-10-28 14:56:29] Boontjie : I would like to buy a pizza with it, can I?
[2016-10-28 14:56:29] RoftheN : zcash doesn't exist yet, this is futures
[2016-10-28 14:56:34] kay : The price here is Dec 30 price that will be .2 btc
[2016-10-28 14:56:37] BitMEX_Greg : Gemz: ADL affects positions
[2016-10-28 14:56:45] sally : kay: lol goodluck
[2016-10-28 14:56:52] Boontjie : RoftheN: I know, sarcasm
[2016-10-28 14:56:57] RoftheN : I think even less than 0.2 btc, but I guess it's close
[2016-10-28 14:57:04] davesafe : I UNDERSTAND FUTURES
[2016-10-28 14:57:07] davesafe : I DONT UNDERSTAND THIS SCAM SITE
[2016-10-28 14:57:13] Rado : kay: people don't understand this
[2016-10-28 14:57:20] RoftheN : What is a scam about this, they're very transparant here
[2016-10-28 14:57:22] davesafe : NOBODY IS MAKING MONEY ON ZCASH EXCEPT BITMEX
[2016-10-28 14:57:31] Rado : davesafe: did your mother force you to open an account here?
[2016-10-28 14:57:33] sally : guys help me. I cant withdraw my ZEC??
[2016-10-28 14:57:34] martinium : davesafe: not true
[2016-10-28 14:57:35] RoftheN : And people who predicted right also made money
[2016-10-28 14:57:43] Eric_Arber : gemz: it's because the counterparty to your trade doesn't have the margin to offset your gains
[2016-10-28 14:57:52] sally : where is the withdraw for my zec?
[2016-10-28 14:57:55] martinium : sally: all trades are in bitcoin
[2016-10-28 14:57:58] Boontjie : sally: there is no ZEC
[2016-10-28 14:58:02] RoftheN : sally stop acti
[2016-10-28 14:58:04] BitMEX_Greg : sally: Are you trying to withdraw Bitcoin?
[2016-10-28 14:58:05] unchained : xD
[2016-10-28 14:58:06] Eric_Arber : remember that each seller of zec futures has to put up btc margin
[2016-10-28 14:58:14] unchained : zec is today launch xD
[2016-10-28 14:58:16] sally : I own it in my account noobs
[2016-10-28 14:58:20] unchained : its starts to mining.
[2016-10-28 14:58:24] chromaticcr1 : davesafe: i am rich
[2016-10-28 14:58:38] sally : BitMEX_Greg: I want to withdraw my ZEC but cant see the option
[2016-10-28 14:58:43] martinium : no you own zec futures a derivative not the actual zec
[2016-10-28 14:58:43] RoftheN : So if Bitmex creates a new trading pair/market, do they create value out of thin air?
[2016-10-28 14:58:51] unchained : you cant withdraw herw zec
[2016-10-28 14:58:52] anonymous789 : is there going to be a reduction in the contract size for ZEC:XBT?
[2016-10-28 14:58:54] BitMEX_Greg : sally: We don't have ZEC here. this is a derivative contract
[2016-10-28 14:58:58] BitMEX_Greg : anonymous789: No
[2016-10-28 14:59:06] davesafe : Welcome to bitmex where the ZEC doesnt exsist and the price is just made up
[2016-10-28 14:59:07] Eric_Arber : yes the value is determined by the market place, buyers and sellers both have to put up capital
[2016-10-28 14:59:08] sally : you guys dont know what your talking about I can see it on my screen
[2016-10-28 14:59:12] davesafe : SHORT IT AND GET REKT
[2016-10-28 14:59:19] davesafe : long and you'll get 'autodeleveraged'
[2016-10-28 14:59:20] RoftheN : Sally we all know you're not serious
[2016-10-28 14:59:26] Eric_Arber : and yes everyone should be crystal clear that on bitmex you are not taking delivery of zek
[2016-10-28 14:59:27] anonymous789 : are you not concerned that you may be potentially losing customers to such a large contract size?
[2016-10-28 14:59:27] BitMEX_Greg : sally: ZECZ16 is a derivative contract settled in Bitcoin.
[2016-10-28 14:59:33] sally : RoftheN: lol but just imagine
[2016-10-28 14:59:36] RoftheN : Savesafe, that's not a scam, both are transparantly communicate
[2016-10-28 14:59:43] BitMEX_Greg : Eric_Arber: email went out highlighting this about 10 hours ago
[2016-10-28 15:00:06] sally : I dont know what any of this shit is only that you can trade it
[2016-10-28 15:00:22] RoftheN : But yeah what's with the no decimals for quantity?
[2016-10-28 15:00:27] Cheese : sally: haha
[2016-10-28 15:00:30] Boontjie : anonymous789: there is always the option of upping gearing
[2016-10-28 15:00:36] sally : BitMEX_Greg: please stop my ADL
[2016-10-28 15:00:48] martinium : i think sally is a troll
[2016-10-28 15:00:49] sally : its not my turn to go
[2016-10-28 15:00:57] RoftheN : no shit martini
[2016-10-28 15:00:58] anonymous789 : i added 2x leverage and it did not reduce my cost per contract, only increased my margin requirements
[2016-10-28 15:01:00] BitMEX_Greg : sally: Can't do that. But good luck!
[2016-10-28 15:01:00] anonymous789 : so that doesn't work
[2016-10-28 15:01:09] anonymous789 : the contract price stays the same unfortunately
[2016-10-28 15:01:12] Rado : BitMEX_Greg: here is an idea to help new users. Put in bold text at the top of each page: "All futures denominated in BTC. No other currencies traded at BitMEX. Dumb ass."
[2016-10-28 15:01:16] Eric_Arber : bitfinex just opened orders, top bid is 0.550 btc per real zek
[2016-10-28 15:01:22] BitMEX_Greg : Rado: lol
[2016-10-28 15:01:28] Eric_Arber : and they call it ZEC
[2016-10-28 15:01:33] martinium : RoftheN: a martini doesn't sound half bad with these trollbox coments
[2016-10-28 15:01:34] martinium : lol
[2016-10-28 15:01:55] Boontjie : anonymous789: are you above the risk limits, because it is working for me
[2016-10-28 15:01:58] anonymous789 : most futures exchanges allow you to trade in fractions of contracts to make it affordable
[2016-10-28 15:02:10] martinium : never heard of that
[2016-10-28 15:02:18] martinium : always 1 contract minimum
[2016-10-28 15:02:21] anonymous789 : i'm just trying to trade ~0.5 btc
[2016-10-28 15:02:27] martinium : get moremoney
[2016-10-28 15:02:28] sally : ill pay up to 20btc a zec
[2016-10-28 15:02:32] anonymous789 : no, for example, Dow jones you can trade 0.25 of a contract etc
[2016-10-28 15:02:33] sally : to own one for real
[2016-10-28 15:03:35] rasdasd : BitMEX_Greg: if this auto bar is full, what does it mean? I am up 100% but I dont want to close my position yet
[2016-10-28 15:03:45] Rado : sally: for real?
[2016-10-28 15:03:51] kay : Short zcash with 1x leverage
[2016-10-28 15:04:00] Rado : why don't you deposit your BTC in my account
[2016-10-28 15:04:11] BitMEX_Greg : rasdasd: This is just an indication if there are liquidations then you MAY get autodeleveraged if the liquidations are not filled in the market
[2016-10-28 15:04:26] BitMEX_Greg : rasdasd: Please see the ADL guide: https://www.bitmex.com/app/autoDeleveraging
[2016-10-28 15:04:43] sally : Rado: yes for real
[2016-10-28 15:04:45] laisee : top pre-order price @ BFX is 0.55 ...
[2016-10-28 15:05:18] rasdasd : BitMEX_Greg: that means I auto sell my position at current price?
[2016-10-28 15:05:25] anonymous789 : i can't believe you need nearly ~700 dollars to open a trade on zec16
[2016-10-28 15:06:09] Rado : anonymous789: it was 10x less a couple of weeks ago
[2016-10-28 15:06:17] numero : anonymous789: to speculate on the the future value of ZEC :P
[2016-10-28 15:06:29] anonymous789 : yeah they should have dynamic contract sizing
[2016-10-28 15:06:45] Apocalyptic : sally: I can sell you 0.1 ZEC for 2 BTC, delivery in a couple of days
[2016-10-28 15:06:49] laisee : come back next week and it will be $70 agin
[2016-10-28 15:06:50] BitMEX_Greg : rasdasd: the engine will partially or fully autoclose your positions
[2016-10-28 15:06:57] Rado : Apocalyptic: lol
[2016-10-28 15:07:01] rasdasd : BitMEX_Greg: okay thanks
[2016-10-28 15:07:19] sally : all the shorters begging
[2016-10-28 15:07:28] Rado : This is truly crypto mania
[2016-10-28 15:07:35] Rado : welcome back to 2013
[2016-10-28 15:08:15] anonymous789 : bitmex need to learn a thing or two from proper regulated/legitimate exchanges about pricing
[2016-10-28 15:08:25] anonymous789 : small-fry like me cant' open a trade
[2016-10-28 15:09:03] Eric_Arber : are any people at the 1.6 level or higher on the bid size trying to buy back shorts? I don't know why you would be willing to go long at 1.6 for a currency that you can bid 0.550 for on finex...
[2016-10-28 15:09:04] shapeshifter : anonymous789: go on Polo if you dont like it here
[2016-10-28 15:09:18] anonymous789 : does polo have zec now?
[2016-10-28 15:09:24] Eric_Arber : finex does
[2016-10-28 15:09:27] shapeshifter : after genesis
[2016-10-28 15:09:35] sally : Eric_Arber: thats because you are in a short position and your scared
[2016-10-28 15:09:36] chromaticcr1 : you can bid but no one fills
[2016-10-28 15:09:36] shapeshifter : after genesis as well
[2016-10-28 15:10:09] Rado : Erik Voorhees: If anyone acquires Zcash and wants to loan it out to me for extra profit, pls email me erik at shapeshift dot io
[2016-10-28 15:10:59] numero : I think a "properly regulated" exchange would not have such a wonderful derivative
[2016-10-28 15:10:59] aethlios : bitmex gained a lot in advertisement with zec, all chats talk about it.
[2016-10-28 15:11:27] Rado : aethlios: good move
[2016-10-28 15:11:39] Rado : BitMEX needs more users
[2016-10-28 15:11:49] Kalman : aethlios: user # jumped from ~500 to ~1900
[2016-10-28 15:11:53] Rado : the problem is all of them that trade ZEC will be gone in a couple of days
[2016-10-28 15:12:10] Kalman : Rado: hear hear
[2016-10-28 15:12:12] Rado : because they will get liquidated
[2016-10-28 15:12:30] anonymous789 : bitmex won't be able to increase its user base if it continues to leave the price the way it is
[2016-10-28 15:12:52] anonymous789 : i got a half a bitcoin of liquidity i could add to this exchange if i could purchase half a contract
[2016-10-28 15:12:58] anonymous789 : but these guys don't let you purchase fractions
[2016-10-28 15:12:59] Kalman : anonymous789: are you running an plattform?
[2016-10-28 15:13:04] Rado : anonymous789: you can always trade OTCBB stocks
[2016-10-28 15:13:10] laisee : anonymous789: why not trade other coins until u can afford ZEC?
[2016-10-28 15:13:29] anonymous789 : i only really wanted in on the ZEC action
[2016-10-28 15:13:38] anonymous789 : i'm not running a platform
[2016-10-28 15:14:02] aethlios : anonymous789: zec is a premium coin, a few can trade it, others just watch and learn.
[2016-10-28 15:14:18] Kalman : anonymous789: than shut the fuck up
[2016-10-28 15:14:25] martinium : lol
[2016-10-28 15:14:29] sleger : anonymous789: go back begging for money on the street corner and come back later ?
[2016-10-28 15:14:33] anonymous789 : that's because bitmex decided to not allow fractional contract purchasing
[2016-10-28 15:14:48] anonymous789 : ha trollbox living up to its name
[2016-10-28 15:14:53] Kalman : anonymous789: go to mummy and cry
[2016-10-28 15:14:54] aethlios : finex pumps.... to buy zec???
[2016-10-28 15:14:56] sleger : have you ever signed half a contract in your life ?
[2016-10-28 15:15:03] laisee : anonymous789: there are other coins for your price/income bracket
[2016-10-28 15:15:10] rasdasd : and its going down
[2016-10-28 15:15:16] lockhedge : anonymous789: i guess bitmex is aware of that problem, other contracts like XBTUSD (1 USD contract value) has much lower barrier to entry. nobody expected that 1 ZEC would be worth 1000 USD
[2016-10-28 15:15:19] anonymous789 : go on any legitimate futures exchange and you will see you can purchase fractions
[2016-10-28 15:15:21] sleger : hey let me put half my signature on it
[2016-10-28 15:15:33] sleger : not fractions of a futures contract dummy
[2016-10-28 15:15:40] anonymous789 : yes you can
[2016-10-28 15:15:44] sleger : no
[2016-10-28 15:15:47] anonymous789 : do you even trade bro?
[2016-10-28 15:15:54] sleger : give me one example
[2016-10-28 15:15:56] Rado : anonymous789: why don't you trade on the legitimate exchanges
[2016-10-28 15:16:05] anonymous789 : those exchanges don't have ZEC futures
[2016-10-28 15:16:05] laisee : anonymous789: u don't trade 0.5 futures contracts ...
[2016-10-28 15:16:09] anonymous789 : yes you can
[2016-10-28 15:16:16] sleger : anonymous789: example with another coin
[2016-10-28 15:16:26] anonymous789 : my old barclays stockbrokers account i used to be able to trade 0.5 of a contract of dow jones
[2016-10-28 15:16:39] anonymous789 : i'm not talking about crypto
[2016-10-28 15:16:40] aethlios : anonymous789: they couldn't believe it will pump so high, started 0.025 per contract.
[2016-10-28 15:16:41] anonymous789 : i'm talking about trading
[2016-10-28 15:16:55] unchained : FX
[2016-10-28 15:16:58] Kalman : anonymous789: talking crap
[2016-10-28 15:17:02] anonymous789 : no
[2016-10-28 15:17:06] sleger : yes
[2016-10-28 15:17:09] sleger : wasnt a futures
[2016-10-28 15:17:32] anonymous789 : sleger: l2trade