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[2016-10-28 13:45:28] Julian : you have to use cross margin otherwise you put in a low bid and you can easily be margin called on a spread or wick down
[2016-10-28 13:45:31] aili : it works in both ways
[2016-10-28 13:45:34] Julian : it has happened to others too
[2016-10-28 13:45:44] wurstgelee : zec here is wild west atm. no rules. no mark price.
[2016-10-28 13:45:48] Julian : you can get margin called just pressing the wrong butotn
[2016-10-28 13:45:51] rasdasd : wurstgelee: for how long my opneden unleverage position can stay opened?
[2016-10-28 13:46:02] wurstgelee : rasdasd: december 30th
[2016-10-28 13:46:03] wurstgelee : is max
[2016-10-28 13:46:14] wurstgelee : thats when contract will be stelled
[2016-10-28 13:46:17] wurstgelee : settled
[2016-10-28 13:46:32] rasdasd : wurstgelee: okay cool...but what does this auto deleverage queue means?
[2016-10-28 13:46:39] wurstgelee : btw admins....problem solved it seems?
[2016-10-28 13:47:08] jung1 : you guys are crazy with this zec
[2016-10-28 13:47:44] wow such volatility : anyone shorting zec now?
[2016-10-28 13:48:31] chromaticcr1 : good luck
[2016-10-28 13:48:36] jose : good luck shorting zec, no prime limit anymore
[2016-10-28 13:48:42] sleger : Open Interest 312
[2016-10-28 13:48:52] rapidtrades : dam....when u get scolded by jung the shitcoin trader, u know u f*cked up
[2016-10-28 13:49:03] chromaticcr1 : we need to accumilate liquidations now
[2016-10-28 13:49:34] chromaticcr1 : I mean positions to be liquidated ;)
[2016-10-28 13:49:41] numero : is cryptoland always this crazy?
[2016-10-28 13:49:48] Mm bot : Boys strap in, T-10mins for Z launch
[2016-10-28 13:49:56] chromaticcr1 : one of the craziest i have seen
[2016-10-28 13:49:59] jung1 : rapidtrades: be careful couse I will start to like you
[2016-10-28 13:50:07] jung1 : ok, accept you
[2016-10-28 13:50:32] gielbier : sup wurstgelee
[2016-10-28 13:50:54] jung1 : Users: 1700
[2016-10-28 13:50:58] jung1 : : OOOOOO
[2016-10-28 13:51:06] kay : Great shorting opportunity with 1x leverage.
[2016-10-28 13:51:20] chromaticcr1 : and unlimited downside
[2016-10-28 13:51:27] wurstgelee : gielbier: funny day ;)
[2016-10-28 13:51:39] gielbier : yeah indeed
[2016-10-28 13:51:46] gielbier : mining start in 10 minutes right?
[2016-10-28 13:51:47] wurstgelee : not working @ work tbh
[2016-10-28 13:51:49] jose : go to the zcash forum to find more information about mining and stop to complain on twitter
[2016-10-28 13:52:00] wurstgelee : gielbier: projected..no exact date.
[2016-10-28 13:52:06] gielbier : ah ok
[2016-10-28 13:52:07] aili : lets do a short squezze one more time)
[2016-10-28 13:52:21] martinium : cmon btc lets go over $700 hopefully toda or tomorrow
[2016-10-28 13:52:25] chromaticcr1 : 2.49 is just 23 contracts away!
[2016-10-28 13:52:27] rasdasd : good price for long term short
[2016-10-28 13:52:37] KETH : The guy said "when I get up" sooo.... could be in 3h for all we know
[2016-10-28 13:52:43] jung1 : Its smelly that 20% of zec will go in first 4y to developers and investors
[2016-10-28 13:53:02] RoftheN : jung, it's better than a 10% premine though
[2016-10-28 13:53:03] jose : thanks for the monies bro
[2016-10-28 13:53:12] jung1 : good point
[2016-10-28 13:53:29] RoftheN : but yeah the percentage is too high
[2016-10-28 13:53:37] RoftheN : Why didn't they just do 10% for 4 years
[2016-10-28 13:53:45] jung1 : so what's your bet? another auroracoin or bitcoin killer?
[2016-10-28 13:53:51] ss : why I would auto deal on 1.88?
[2016-10-28 13:53:56] Mm bot : PlZ one big short before launch
[2016-10-28 13:54:04] ss : I havent set anything about margin deal
[2016-10-28 13:54:05] martinium : jung1: it'll be an eth killer
[2016-10-28 13:54:10] rasdasd : short the fucker wanna buy it
[2016-10-28 13:54:22] jung1 : martinium: its completly different than eth
[2016-10-28 13:54:28] martinium : it is
[2016-10-28 13:54:33] zfan : ss: did you buy or sell at 1.88
[2016-10-28 13:54:40] ss : sell
[2016-10-28 13:54:40] martinium : but eth will fade into irrelevance
[2016-10-28 13:54:47] RoftheN : I think ZEC will pump today, then slowly fall in couple of weeks, then maybe get pumped somewhere in 4 years, and then before the halving get pumped hiiigh
[2016-10-28 13:55:29] kay : RoftheN: that's it
[2016-10-28 13:55:32] zfan : ss: I had 2 lots @ 4.55 3 @ 6.5 and 1 @ 10 they got executed at 1.88
[2016-10-28 13:55:59] rasdasd : zfan: thats strange
[2016-10-28 13:56:02] NL007 : Zec could reach 5-10btc with this low amount coins in first days
[2016-10-28 13:56:09] jung1 : zcrash comming
[2016-10-28 13:56:21] wurstgelee : yes please
[2016-10-28 13:56:21] ss : Yep very strange
[2016-10-28 13:56:25] kay : NL007: 50 btc on open
[2016-10-28 13:56:26] wurstgelee : make zcash crash again!
[2016-10-28 13:56:31] NL007 : everything is possible with zec
[2016-10-28 13:56:43] wurstgelee : now say "zcash crash". fast. 50 times. ;)
[2016-10-28 13:57:01] zfan : rasdasd: @ss looks like bitmex decided to use our contracts without our consent
[2016-10-28 13:57:08] kay : Everything deeds on how zec fut reacts with a 50 btc open
[2016-10-28 13:57:19] kay : *depends
[2016-10-28 13:57:22] jung1 : Its also funny that main developer and author of zcash do not know exactly how zk-SNARK works
[2016-10-28 13:57:25] wurstgelee : zfan: its called ADL
[2016-10-28 13:57:32] wurstgelee : and its not without consent
[2016-10-28 13:58:07] ss : I buy a good price but the system automatically deal my price at 1.88
[2016-10-28 13:58:13] laisee : jung1: maybe code was hidden bt snaeks?
[2016-10-28 13:58:34] BitMEX_Sam : zfan: You were ADLd at nearly the top of the market - probably the best possible outcome for you.
[2016-10-28 13:58:41] BitMEX_Sam : Please see https://www.bitmex.com/app/autoDeleveraging
[2016-10-28 13:58:42] Mm bot : 2 mins til launch
[2016-10-28 13:58:55] Mm bot : BitMEX_Sam: exactly
[2016-10-28 13:58:57] shapeshifter : BitMEX_Sam: i would not have complained :)
[2016-10-28 13:59:05] BitMEX_Sam : Issue is that short losses are unbounded so it's possible that users can run out of money, at which case the system must take over.
[2016-10-28 13:59:17] chromaticcr1 : the top is 1.9BTC@3 contract, you (and about 300 other contracts) got automatically closed at 1.88
[2016-10-28 13:59:32] chromaticcr1 : you should probably buyback your contract now, you are 0.4BTC better off
[2016-10-28 13:59:40] zfan : BitMEX_Sam: the problem is that i was long 6 futures and had 6 sell orders
[2016-10-28 13:59:44] sally : take over my body
[2016-10-28 13:59:49] Rado : All the new users becuase of Zec?
[2016-10-28 13:59:54] BitMEX_Sam : zfan: Please read the document.
[2016-10-28 13:59:59] chromaticcr1 : Rado: what else ;)
[2016-10-28 14:00:01] wurstgelee : zfan: its ADL...again :)
[2016-10-28 14:00:13] chromaticcr1 : we gotta make a short squeeze again
[2016-10-28 14:00:52] wurstgelee : Rado: remember when it was 5 chatlins/day? 3 of which were admin lines?
[2016-10-28 14:00:57] wurstgelee : those were the quiet days...
[2016-10-28 14:00:58] wurstgelee : :)
[2016-10-28 14:01:17] sally : short zec at 5btc
[2016-10-28 14:01:30] numero : personally, I decided to start trading cryptocurrencies after reading about zec
[2016-10-28 14:02:22] btceurope : i can't trade in these crazy conditions too risky
[2016-10-28 14:02:31] wurstgelee : btceurope: its pure gambling
[2016-10-28 14:02:46] wurstgelee : if u want to "trade", stay away from zcash the coming hours/days
[2016-10-28 14:02:48] laisee : wise move - the fundamentals of ZEC are good and earnings should not disappoint
[2016-10-28 14:02:50] wurstgelee : =)
[2016-10-28 14:02:50] btceurope : i prefer traditional markets or consolidated coins
[2016-10-28 14:02:57] btceurope : bye guys
[2016-10-28 14:03:01] wurstgelee : cu
[2016-10-28 14:03:05] numero : loving it so far:)
[2016-10-28 14:03:25] zfan : BitMEX_Sam: thanks, my bad, did not read it carefully
[2016-10-28 14:03:27] jose : it is not gambling, it is supply and demand... after 24h the supll will be 100 ZEC, now you can guess a price
[2016-10-28 14:03:47] wow such volatility : 100 btc per zcash
[2016-10-28 14:03:51] BitMEX_Sam : zfan: :+1:
[2016-10-28 14:03:53] rasdasd : lol going up again..cant believe this is worth 1.6btc
[2016-10-28 14:04:47] whalepanda : There has to be a better way than deleveraging people
[2016-10-28 14:04:51] zfan : so there cannot be any short squeeze by the rules
[2016-10-28 14:05:10] kryptopojken : zfan: what do u mean?
[2016-10-28 14:05:42] wow such volatility : whalepanda: ga je er nog terug in?
[2016-10-28 14:05:44] wurstgelee : 16:03 - jose: it is not gambling, it is supply and demand... after 24h the supll will be 100 ZEC, now you can guess a price
[2016-10-28 14:05:50] wurstgelee : how is "guessing" not "gambling? :)
[2016-10-28 14:05:51] zfan : kryptopojken: the ADL thing - if someone gets liquidated - you are forced to provide the good price
[2016-10-28 14:06:18] kryptopojken : well they prevent cascade i guess
[2016-10-28 14:06:25] whalepanda : wow such volatility: if it dips under 1 btc
[2016-10-28 14:06:26] jose : it is not luck, just how good your analysis of the market is...
[2016-10-28 14:06:26] kay : wurstgelee: what is the price u expect on open?
[2016-10-28 14:06:27] wurstgelee : tbh, all those who got adl'Ed @ 1.88 - me included - why complain?
[2016-10-28 14:06:28] kryptopojken : but this was still kind of a cascade no?
[2016-10-28 14:06:35] wurstgelee : u can get back in cheaper now ffs
[2016-10-28 14:06:39] chromaticcr1 : it doesnt prevent cascade
[2016-10-28 14:06:44] Mm bot : zfan: there is no rules, limit has been lifted
[2016-10-28 14:06:48] chromaticcr1 : it is that the shorters are out of money
[2016-10-28 14:06:58] wurstgelee : chromaticcr1: surprise. ;)
[2016-10-28 14:07:06] kryptopojken : u mean most bottom shorts already liq?
[2016-10-28 14:07:07] sally : I dont wanna be ADL
[2016-10-28 14:07:19] chromaticcr1 : sally: then open your contract back now
[2016-10-28 14:07:21] wurstgelee : kryptopojken: yes, @ 1.88
[2016-10-28 14:07:29] sally : start closing your shorts FFS noobs
[2016-10-28 14:07:32] wurstgelee : shorters graveyard up there
[2016-10-28 14:07:41] sally : you keep causing problems
[2016-10-28 14:07:50] kryptopojken : wurstgelee: yes but there are still shorters at like 0.8 that can be liq?
[2016-10-28 14:07:57] wurstgelee : ofc
[2016-10-28 14:08:07] wurstgelee : tehre are exactly as many longs as there are shorts open
[2016-10-28 14:08:11] kryptopojken : yea
[2016-10-28 14:08:12] sleger : sally: who are you going to buy from if nobody can short dummy ?
[2016-10-28 14:08:12] wurstgelee : the sum is zero :)
[2016-10-28 14:08:28] sally : sleger: the gods
[2016-10-28 14:08:28] zfan : kryptopojken: true, somewhat a circuitbreaker
[2016-10-28 14:08:49] sally : if your in danger of liquidation just reduce your position
[2016-10-28 14:08:52] aethlios : https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/switzerlands-national-railways-operator-will-sell-bitcoin/
[2016-10-28 14:08:54] sleger : sally, king of dummy
[2016-10-28 14:09:11] zfan : kryptopojken: its said that i registered on this exchange just for the squeeze
[2016-10-28 14:09:24] kryptopojken : lol
[2016-10-28 14:09:27] kryptopojken : im scared
[2016-10-28 14:09:29] kryptopojken : cuz im short
[2016-10-28 14:09:50] zfan : well, its over if you look at the open interest
[2016-10-28 14:09:58] rasdasd : good price for short
[2016-10-28 14:10:04] kryptopojken : 311 contracts still
[2016-10-28 14:10:04] jung1 : you crazy fuckers, its now over 8000%
[2016-10-28 14:10:11] zfan : that 1.88 thing was supposed to be 2 - 4- 10 - 100
[2016-10-28 14:10:20] kryptopojken : zfan: so u mean it's kinda over
[2016-10-28 14:10:25] kryptopojken : the upside "risk"
[2016-10-28 14:10:31] chromaticcr1 : kryptopojken: i would have sharted my pants for few times if i were you
[2016-10-28 14:10:32] Sidwick : is there a zec slack?
[2016-10-28 14:10:40] kryptopojken : chromaticcr1: yeah dude
[2016-10-28 14:10:42] kryptopojken : u have no idea
[2016-10-28 14:10:46] thorium : where is zec wallet?
[2016-10-28 14:10:46] kryptopojken : entry price 0,82
[2016-10-28 14:10:55] aethlios : mining started??
[2016-10-28 14:11:11] laisee : thorium: cmd line version only, last I looked
[2016-10-28 14:11:21] chromaticcr1 : kryptopojken: your pockets is quite deep that you survived just now
[2016-10-28 14:11:29] kryptopojken : chromaticcr1: yes i loaded up
[2016-10-28 14:11:34] kryptopojken : just to cover for this
[2016-10-28 14:11:37] thorium : laisee: in here
[2016-10-28 14:12:12] laisee : thorium: no such thing, currenlty. maybe if ZEC really take soff ...
[2016-10-28 14:14:04] jose : wallet released !
[2016-10-28 14:14:36] wurstgelee : https://twitter.com/mineZcash/status/792006152682807296
[2016-10-28 14:14:38] wurstgelee : dunno if legit
[2016-10-28 14:14:40] sally : mods I need help
[2016-10-28 14:14:45] wurstgelee : but if - two hours from now approx
[2016-10-28 14:14:47] sally : please remove those green bars
[2016-10-28 14:14:55] wurstgelee : ?
[2016-10-28 14:15:03] wurstgelee : green bars? oO
[2016-10-28 14:15:16] sally : the auto deleverage bars
[2016-10-28 14:15:34] wurstgelee : oh those. why?
[2016-10-28 14:15:41] wurstgelee : because u dont like them? ;)
[2016-10-28 14:15:50] sally : I dont like them
[2016-10-28 14:15:55] jung1 : Users: 1790
[2016-10-28 14:15:56] sally : this trickery is too much
[2016-10-28 14:16:11] jung1 : like 1000 new users couse of zcash
[2016-10-28 14:16:12] sally : i want to short zcash at 5 btc, so simple
[2016-10-28 14:16:14] jung1 : good move
[2016-10-28 14:16:25] wurstgelee : sally: i am no admin here but i would assume, they dont change the site for everyone because u dont like it ;)
[2016-10-28 14:16:30] sleger : the goldman sachs of bitcoin is just a casino
[2016-10-28 14:16:39] sally : and then buy it at 3btc and sell at 100
[2016-10-28 14:17:29] sally : everyone knows it will be over 12btc a zec to start and then likely over 100 by tomorrow
[2016-10-28 14:17:30] jose : launch in 2 hours
[2016-10-28 14:18:06] martinium : sally: you must know oracles
[2016-10-28 14:18:11] rasdasd : 100zec in first 24h x 1.7btc..do your math
[2016-10-28 14:18:23] maker101 : Smoother trade for those that can't handle Zcash just short Monero hahah. NN! :)
[2016-10-28 14:18:31] sally : martinium: no. Im just a pro at t zcash launches
[2016-10-28 14:18:34] wurstgelee : maker101: ;)
[2016-10-28 14:18:46] martinium : :D
[2016-10-28 14:19:03] Rado : a lot of experts all of a sudden
[2016-10-28 14:19:14] Rado : BitMEX what have you done with our exchange?
[2016-10-28 14:19:19] Rado : turned it into Poloniex
[2016-10-28 14:19:29] Rado : lol
[2016-10-28 14:19:34] maker101 : Rado: This is new Polo
[2016-10-28 14:19:37] wurstgelee : Rado: it will become less polo once polo has zcash
[2016-10-28 14:19:40] wurstgelee : i hope
[2016-10-28 14:19:57] BitMEX_Sam : I expect due to limited supply that we'll still remain the most liquid ZEC exchange for a few weeks.
[2016-10-28 14:20:08] BitMEX_Sam : We will see.
[2016-10-28 14:20:11] wurstgelee : BitMEX_Sam: oh right, i forgot that
[2016-10-28 14:20:20] wurstgelee : BitMEX_Sam: whatever u did, lagging seems gone now
[2016-10-28 14:20:23] wurstgelee : thanks
[2016-10-28 14:20:30] jung1 : BitMEX_Sam: congratulations of amount of users!
[2016-10-28 14:20:38] chromaticcr1 : make it 2k
[2016-10-28 14:20:38] BitMEX_Sam : wurstgelee: Yes, we had a slow server in the rotation. Put a faster one in its place.
[2016-10-28 14:20:41] jung1 : I am proud of you
[2016-10-28 14:20:52] BitMEX_Sam : Thanks - I think we'll hit 2k by Zc genesis
[2016-10-28 14:21:09] martinium : is there any known time for zc genesis block?
[2016-10-28 14:21:12] wurstgelee : BitMEX_Sam: slow? it felt like someone manually copying those packets instead of a proxy
[2016-10-28 14:21:13] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-10-28 14:21:20] BitMEX_Sam : No. Zooko said something like "when I wake up"
[2016-10-28 14:21:24] sally : BitMEX_Sam: easily 10btc plus and then 100
[2016-10-28 14:21:27] wurstgelee : https://twitter.com/mineZcash/status/792006152682807296
[2016-10-28 14:21:28] jung1 : wurstgelee: chinese kids
[2016-10-28 14:21:29] wurstgelee : ~2h
[2016-10-28 14:21:30] BitMEX_Sam : Although some chatter in Slack re: 2hrs
[2016-10-28 14:21:36] wurstgelee : yep
[2016-10-28 14:21:40] wurstgelee : 2h is last i heard
[2016-10-28 14:21:41] BitMEX_Sam : wurstgelee: Yeah we ran out of monkeys
[2016-10-28 14:21:50] wurstgelee : BitMEX_Sam: ;)
[2016-10-28 14:22:03] BitMEX_Sam : Modern linux only has so many ttys
[2016-10-28 14:22:06] michiel_kaas : Genesis cloud mining contracts are selled out...
[2016-10-28 14:22:09] michiel_kaas : for zcash
[2016-10-28 14:22:23] wurstgelee : michiel_kaas: thats so stupid tbh
[2016-10-28 14:22:25] chromaticcr1 : i can literally see the margin call happen in the coming hour
[2016-10-28 14:22:29] aili : risky gamblers here to buy so high, withou buy support
[2016-10-28 14:22:30] laisee : how to pay?
[2016-10-28 14:22:31] wurstgelee : those hashes offered are ridiculous
[2016-10-28 14:22:37] wurstgelee : compared to public open source miners
[2016-10-28 14:22:47] michiel_kaas : ?
[2016-10-28 14:22:57] michiel_kaas : too expensive/
[2016-10-28 14:23:01] wurstgelee : michiel_kaas: you wont make money, cloud mining is way to expensive
[2016-10-28 14:23:12] wurstgelee : its a lot cheaper to mine @ home or rent a rig
[2016-10-28 14:23:18] michiel_kaas : Dude wtf look at those prices
[2016-10-28 14:23:24] BitMEX_Sam : Cloud mining buyers got completely murdered about 3wk ago.
[2016-10-28 14:23:28] chromaticcr1 : michiel_kaas: short it then
[2016-10-28 14:23:29] wurstgelee : BitMEX_Sam: that
[2016-10-28 14:23:34] BitMEX_Sam : Sol/s rate went up by nearly 500x due to the miner competition.
[2016-10-28 14:23:38] shapeshifter : Cloud mining is a scam
[2016-10-28 14:23:40] michiel_kaas : No I mean the zcash prices 0,0
[2016-10-28 14:23:41] wurstgelee : BitMEX_Sam: exactly :(
[2016-10-28 14:23:43] wurstgelee : =)
[2016-10-28 14:23:44] BitMEX_Sam : Everyone who bought early hash power bought it at a massive premium.
[2016-10-28 14:23:50] michiel_kaas : did you guys already invested?
[2016-10-28 14:23:53] shapeshifter : cost 5x than mining wiht you own rig
[2016-10-28 14:24:05] BitMEX_Sam : I was getting about 1sol/90s on a basic digitalocean machine, after yesterday's Tromp release I was getting 2.5/s
[2016-10-28 14:24:10] numhero : BitMEX_Sam: Why I can't find my trade history, Zcash price0.339B, 20:29:03, 2016-10-28
[2016-10-28 14:24:11] wurstgelee : ppower is too expensive in germany, so no, no mining
[2016-10-28 14:24:20] wurstgelee : also i cba to either trade or mine. not both
[2016-10-28 14:24:23] michiel_kaas : Did you guys already buy zcash?
[2016-10-28 14:24:29] wurstgelee : i chose trading, less efoort, less noise, less everything
[2016-10-28 14:24:30] BitMEX_Sam : numhero: Go to https://www.bitmex.com/app/tradeHistory
[2016-10-28 14:24:30] wurstgelee : =)
[2016-10-28 14:24:50] wurstgelee : michiel_kaas: bought and told several times. not zcash of but futures here
[2016-10-28 14:24:54] wurstgelee : *sold
[2016-10-28 14:25:07] rasdasd : only 12 contracts to 2.4btc insane
[2016-10-28 14:25:08] michiel_kaas : Hmm
[2016-10-28 14:25:23] michiel_kaas : Should I buy some zcash?
[2016-10-28 14:25:31] sleger : yes please
[2016-10-28 14:25:32] chromaticcr1 : michiel_kaas: y note
[2016-10-28 14:25:36] chromaticcr1 : not*
[2016-10-28 14:25:42] michiel_kaas : y not?
[2016-10-28 14:25:46] michiel_kaas : what you mean
[2016-10-28 14:25:47] numhero : BitMEX_Sam: why i lose my trading account. There is no 0.339 price,
[2016-10-28 14:26:08] sleger : numhero: once a day a user is chosen randomly
[2016-10-28 14:26:18] sleger : and all is money is split to the community, that's for insurance fund
[2016-10-28 14:26:23] sleger : bad luck bro :(
[2016-10-28 14:26:24] michiel_kaas : How much will the price be tommorow? Over 9000
[2016-10-28 14:26:28] chromaticcr1 : sleger: are you sure it is just 1
[2016-10-28 14:26:41] sleger : one chinese and one normal user
[2016-10-28 14:26:55] wurstgelee : lol
[2016-10-28 14:26:56] michiel_kaas : I don't even have that much money right now
[2016-10-28 14:26:58] BitMEX_Sam : numhero: That price printed is your bankruptcy price - please see your email, your liquidation price is higher.
[2016-10-28 14:27:03] michiel_kaas : can't you buy half bitcoins?
[2016-10-28 14:27:07] chromaticcr1 : sleger: I guess i need to be double counter
[2016-10-28 14:27:09] chromaticcr1 : counted*
[2016-10-28 14:27:19] michiel_kaas : half zcash***
[2016-10-28 14:27:52] michiel_kaas : When can you buy like .1 zcash?
[2016-10-28 14:27:55] Eric_Arber : i lost my account margin window, while moving things around, how do I get it back in my interface?
[2016-10-28 14:28:08] gielbier : kaas
[2016-10-28 14:28:15] michiel_kaas : Yo giel
[2016-10-28 14:28:23] michiel_kaas : Heb jij al zcash gekocht?
[2016-10-28 14:28:25] jespern : BitMEX_Sam: which tromp fork do you mean?
[2016-10-28 14:28:31] gielbier : nope :)
[2016-10-28 14:28:43] BitMEX_Sam : jespern: Not a fork, just his basic release yest before the competition ended.
[2016-10-28 14:28:44] jung1 : Eric_Arber: turn off and turn on your pc
[2016-10-28 14:28:44] michiel_kaas : hoezo niet?
[2016-10-28 14:28:52] gielbier : is er nog niet :P
[2016-10-28 14:28:53] BitMEX_Sam : I'm sure there's another 30-40% that has been made, probably by xenoncat.
[2016-10-28 14:28:56] michiel_kaas : Jawel
[2016-10-28 14:29:01] gielbier : futures daarentegen :P
[2016-10-28 14:29:09] michiel_kaas : zcash is een half uurtje geleden gelaunched
[2016-10-28 14:29:18] michiel_kaas : wat bedoelt iedereen met futures
[2016-10-28 14:29:31] Rado : 2m208 XBT turnover in the last 24H
[2016-10-28 14:29:34] Rado : impresive
[2016-10-28 14:29:42] shapeshifter : BitMEX_Sam: do you know whats the fastest OpenCL for AMD?
[2016-10-28 14:29:46] jung1 : Rado: hi rado!
[2016-10-28 14:29:54] Rado : jung1: hey
[2016-10-28 14:29:56] BitMEX_Sam : shapeshifter: I don't, check the Zcash slack.
[2016-10-28 14:30:02] jespern : BitMEX_Sam: gotcha. but it hasn't been implemented in anything stratum-capable yet, right?
[2016-10-28 14:30:02] jung1 : BitMEX_Sam: any giveaway for 2k users?
[2016-10-28 14:30:11] BitMEX_Sam : jung1: Wally will do a jig
[2016-10-28 14:30:15] shapeshifter : jespern: nhminer
[2016-10-28 14:30:19] Rado : lol
[2016-10-28 14:30:24] BitMEX_Sam : jespern: Tromp is already in a stratum miner, nheqminer
[2016-10-28 14:30:31] laisee : jung1: BMX can offer free trading lessons ...
[2016-10-28 14:30:33] BitMEX_Sam : I believe someone's working on xenoncat to get the extra few % out.
[2016-10-28 14:30:34] gielbier : michiel_kaas: genesis block moet nog gereleased worden.
[2016-10-28 14:30:42] Eric_Arber : BitMEX_Sam: how do i restore my account windows, opening a new windows did not work? do i have to relog?
[2016-10-28 14:30:45] BitMEX_Sam : But official zc should have the most efficient miner built in.
[2016-10-28 14:30:49] jespern : cool, I'm running nheqminer, you mentioned yesterday's tromp release, so was wondering if there was anything new.
[2016-10-28 14:30:54] BitMEX_Sam : Eric_Arber: I'm not sure what you're referring to.
[2016-10-28 14:31:22] wurstgelee : Eric_Arber: reset your layout?
[2016-10-28 14:31:31] Rado : BitMEX_Sam: soon you might need a person dedicated to chat support
[2016-10-28 14:31:31] rapidtrades : can i mine with my laptop? lol
[2016-10-28 14:31:32] Eric_Arber : BitMEX_Sam: on my main contract interface, there is orderbook,chart,positions etc.. and I am missing the windows that shows my ,argin
[2016-10-28 14:31:32] sleger : reboot
[2016-10-28 14:31:37] Eric_Arber : sure how do you reset layout?
[2016-10-28 14:31:41] wurstgelee : click on your account name on -> reset layout
[2016-10-28 14:31:46] BitMEX_Sam : :+1:
[2016-10-28 14:31:57] BitMEX_Sam : rapidtrades: Yeah actually, that's part of the stated goal of equihash
[2016-10-28 14:32:25] BitMEX_Sam : Democratizing mining by making an alg that's memory-hard and works badly on GPUs/ASICs
[2016-10-28 14:32:28] michiel_kaas : Maar wat voor zcash kan je hier dan kopen?
[2016-10-28 14:32:28] wurstgelee : i have some ms azure balance lying somehwere ...mebbe 300 or 400$
[2016-10-28 14:32:38] wurstgelee : i might spin up some VMs if i get ored and see what they can do ;)
[2016-10-28 14:32:43] michiel_kaas : What for zcash can you buy right now on bitmex?
[2016-10-28 14:32:43] wurstgelee : *bored
[2016-10-28 14:33:04] Rado : By the way I read an article from gavin explaining why Monero is way better than Zcash
[2016-10-28 14:33:09] laisee : michiel_kaas: trading lessons
[2016-10-28 14:33:09] jung1 : michiel_kaas: dignity
[2016-10-28 14:33:18] Eric_Arber : I don't see and option to reset layout?
[2016-10-28 14:33:24] michiel_kaas : Bruuhhhh
[2016-10-28 14:33:36] michiel_kaas : So actually all this zcash here is fake?
[2016-10-28 14:33:45] jung1 : its futures
[2016-10-28 14:33:45] gielbier : it are futures
[2016-10-28 14:33:53] jung1 : bets between traders
[2016-10-28 14:33:54] michiel_kaas : And over 23 hours the real zcash will be here
[2016-10-28 14:33:58] jung1 : we are trend setters
[2016-10-28 14:34:03] michiel_kaas : and that zcash will be expensive as fuck
[2016-10-28 14:34:03] laisee : michiel_kaas: there are no Z$ here. Keep it secret pls
[2016-10-28 14:34:14] BitMEX_Sam : Eric_Arber: Choose the "Advanced" layout
[2016-10-28 14:34:18] michiel_kaas : okay
[2016-10-28 14:34:39] rapidtrades : it's a fractional Zcash reserve
[2016-10-28 14:34:43] jung1 : michiel_kaas: we decide here what will be bitcoin price in global markets
[2016-10-28 14:34:43] CaptainDean : there is no way the Zcash will worth 1.7 BTC tomorow
[2016-10-28 14:34:45] rapidtrades : with 0 reserve
[2016-10-28 14:34:49] CaptainDean : or i will be mining it as fuck
[2016-10-28 14:35:10] rapidtrades : isn't there only 400 to mine on day1?
[2016-10-28 14:35:14] rapidtrades : why bother
[2016-10-28 14:35:25] rapidtrades : 25k total
[2016-10-28 14:35:30] laisee : fractional reserver where the fraction is Z$ero
[2016-10-28 14:35:31] Rado : I don't even know how exchanges will handle the small float
[2016-10-28 14:35:43] Rado : Kraken, Bitfinex and Polo are all listing ZEC
[2016-10-28 14:35:47] michiel_kaas : But dude that zcash from tommorow will ne fking expensive
[2016-10-28 14:35:53] rapidtrades : sry 250k
[2016-10-28 14:36:02] michiel_kaas : 0,0
[2016-10-28 14:36:07] CaptainDean : The price here doesn't mean nothing imo
[2016-10-28 14:36:15] michiel_kaas : Yeah but still
[2016-10-28 14:36:17] BitMEX_Greg : Rado: The smart exchanges will be offering miners incentive to sell their ZEC on their exchange
[2016-10-28 14:36:27] michiel_kaas : where is btw one profit calculator for zcash
[2016-10-28 14:36:32] michiel_kaas : or will it be there tommorow
[2016-10-28 14:36:40] BitMEX_Greg : CaptainDean: who knows, I am sure the miners will look here for price guidance to some extent
[2016-10-28 14:36:48] Rado : BitMEX_Greg: still I wouldn't list it before there is a good amount mined
[2016-10-28 14:37:01] BitMEX_Greg : michiel_kaas: Click the little calculator icon next to the cog wheel on the trade page
[2016-10-28 14:37:03] sally : price here means everything
[2016-10-28 14:37:08] BitMEX_Greg : michiel_kaas: top left above the order entry
[2016-10-28 14:37:29] BitMEX_Greg : Rado: the exchanges want a piece of the ZEC pie
[2016-10-28 14:37:32] michiel_kaas : Btw I need to go to my work
[2016-10-28 14:37:33] CaptainDean : sally: Based on what ? Thin air ?
[2016-10-28 14:37:35] michiel_kaas : see you later
[2016-10-28 14:37:43] michiel_kaas : bye bye
[2016-10-28 14:38:00] Rado : BitMEX_Greg: I understand, but a lot of people will get killed
[2016-10-28 14:38:10] BitMEX_Greg : michiel_kaas: ciao
[2016-10-28 14:38:23] BitMEX_Greg : Rado: this is crypto, its expected
[2016-10-28 14:38:34] Rado : :-) true
[2016-10-28 14:38:35] CaptainDean : BitMEX_Greg: Zcash doesn't even exist and it worth what ? 1 Billion atm ?
[2016-10-28 14:39:02] BitMEX_Greg : CaptainDean: insane, but think about the potential for it
[2016-10-28 14:39:12] BitMEX_Greg : like why Bitcoin even rallied to 1k in the first place
[2016-10-28 14:39:15] RoftheN : 1 billion it's more than bitcoin if you look at total supply, so it's 12-15 billion. But that's not the real worth
[2016-10-28 14:39:18] BitMEX_Greg : what is the TRUE use case for crypto?
[2016-10-28 14:39:36] Rado : One thing is for sure, ZEC is not worth more than 1 BTC in the long run
[2016-10-28 14:39:39] CaptainDean : BitMEX_Greg: it took years, not before it was even launch
[2016-10-28 14:39:44] rapidtrades : BitMEX_Greg: bitcoin had first mover advantage plus best developers team
[2016-10-28 14:39:51] Rado : BitMEX_Greg: the only reason ZEC is this high is the supply
[2016-10-28 14:39:52] RoftheN : I agree rado, but today it will be pumped
[2016-10-28 14:39:57] Rado : that is not a good reason to invest
[2016-10-28 14:39:58] laisee : anonymous pr0n
[2016-10-28 14:40:13] Rado : RoftheN: It will
[2016-10-28 14:40:22] Rado : good luck trying to figure out where it will stop
[2016-10-28 14:40:26] rapidtrades : when will bitmex decide to exchange
[2016-10-28 14:40:33] habibi : I need to admit, adl is a blessing in zcash
[2016-10-28 14:40:35] RoftheN : Idk, that's why I'll short tomorrow and not today
[2016-10-28 14:40:44] Eric_Arber : I just read about ADL and understand liq price as it's shown in open positions, but where is bankruptcy price shown or explained?
[2016-10-28 14:40:48] CaptainDean : BitMEX_Greg: Anyway, I understand my logical thinking doesn't means it'll be reality and it may be the price will see at launch
[2016-10-28 14:40:54] Rado : rapidtrades: If I wish they will do an index
[2016-10-28 14:41:02] Rado : 3 exchanges are listing it from the get go
[2016-10-28 14:41:07] BitMEX_Greg : Yeah, well it sure has surprised me anyway
[2016-10-28 14:41:10] BitMEX_Greg : Insane market
[2016-10-28 14:41:29] CaptainDean : In fact, I just wish I had bought some yesturday before bed time, 0.7 BTC :P
[2016-10-28 14:41:31] Rado : BitMEX_Greg: how many MMs on ZEC?
[2016-10-28 14:41:40] rasdasd : in first 7 days there will be only 5 thousand coins
[2016-10-28 14:41:55] BitMEX_Greg : Rado: No idea actually
[2016-10-28 14:42:10] Cheese : I got the 90 min tweet warning
[2016-10-28 14:42:12] moon : when I can withdraw the profit I made on ZEC?
[2016-10-28 14:42:50] Rado : moon: once per day
[2016-10-28 14:43:19] laisee : CaptainDean: bought at 0.12, ADL at 0.78
[2016-10-28 14:43:36] CaptainDean : laisee: nice profit :P
[2016-10-28 14:43:39] numero : I'm hopping in and out to avoid ADL
[2016-10-28 14:43:52] numero : not sure if that helps or not...
[2016-10-28 14:43:53] Rado : laisee: nice
[2016-10-28 14:44:01] laisee : yeah, better than a kick in the head ...
[2016-10-28 14:44:03] rapidtrades : Cheese: tweet warning for what
[2016-10-28 14:44:08] rapidtrades : is zec live now?
[2016-10-28 14:44:10] CaptainDean : laisee: since my experience with trading is limited, I'm pretty much learning things around, I never touched ZCash for that reason
[2016-10-28 14:44:32] Cheese : rapidtrades: when the limit was raised
[2016-10-28 14:45:22] RoftheN : ZEC still seems not to be live, guess the 13 UTC was bullshit
[2016-10-28 14:45:40] rapidtrades : lol
[2016-10-28 14:45:45] Rado : MMs must be very happy with this ZEC spread
[2016-10-28 14:45:55] rapidtrades : 13 UTC is in 15 mins?
[2016-10-28 14:45:58] CaptainDean : Does we have any Zcash windows wlalet ?
[2016-10-28 14:45:58] BitMEX_Greg : moon: Withdrawals occur daily at 13:00 UTC
[2016-10-28 14:46:04] CaptainDean : I might try to mine some
[2016-10-28 14:46:06] BitMEX_Greg : rapidtrades: Yes
[2016-10-28 14:46:14] davesafe : .
[2016-10-28 14:46:23] CaptainDean : Do we have**
[2016-10-28 14:47:12] BitMEX_Greg : rapidtrades: sorry incorrect
[2016-10-28 14:47:21] rapidtrades : yeah 2 hrs ago
[2016-10-28 14:47:37] BitMEX_Sam : UTC time is always in the ticker, top right of your screen.
[2016-10-28 14:47:39] BitMEX_Greg : rapidtrades: Currently its 14:47 UTC
[2016-10-28 14:47:45] unchained : i will trade zcash on bittrex
[2016-10-28 14:47:53] Rado : UTC: 2:47 PM
[2016-10-28 14:48:04] davesafe : went to check on my zcash i bought
[2016-10-28 14:48:13] davesafe : guess bitmex sold it already for me at .12. thanks guys!
[2016-10-28 14:48:30] davesafe : 'In accordance with BitMEX's risk management policies, your ZECZ16 position was identified as a high-risk or high-profit position.'
[2016-10-28 14:48:35] davesafe : seems legit
[2016-10-28 14:48:37] Gemz : davesafe: what do u mean bitmex sold it for you
[2016-10-28 14:48:45] CaptainDean : Gemz: ADL
[2016-10-28 14:48:53] Gemz : dafuq is adl?
[2016-10-28 14:48:54] BitMEX_Greg : davesafe: This is the AutoDeleveraging policy, please read https://www.bitmex.com/app/autoDeleveraging
[2016-10-28 14:49:02] BitMEX_Greg : Gemz: AutoDeleveraging (ADL)
[2016-10-28 14:49:11] davesafe : sounds like a scam to me
[2016-10-28 14:49:18] sleger : it means when you make too much money your money is taken by the exchange
[2016-10-28 14:49:20] CaptainDean : davesafe: read ... it is not
[2016-10-28 14:49:43] sleger : same as the backdoor in a casino
[2016-10-28 14:49:48] Gemz : BitMEX_Greg: so adl comes in only when the liquidation cannot be filled
[2016-10-28 14:49:55] sleger : except you get to keep your knees
[2016-10-28 14:50:01] BitMEX_Greg : Gemz: Correct
[2016-10-28 14:50:06] Gemz : i see
[2016-10-28 14:50:22] Gemz : dammit i wanted to buy at 0.7 went away for an hour price jumped ffs
[2016-10-28 14:50:31] Gemz : wtf
[2016-10-28 14:50:52] Rado : Gemz: that's how trading works
[2016-10-28 14:50:57] Rado : might be good for you
[2016-10-28 14:51:26] davesafe : no other exchange has ever sold my position when i was in profit
[2016-10-28 14:51:27] Cheese : Gemz: should not of taken a break
[2016-10-28 14:51:41] davesafe : see ya later bucketshop bitmex
[2016-10-28 14:51:55] Gemz : davesafe: why was your position sold at a profit?
[2016-10-28 14:52:17] BitMEX_Sam : davesafe: See https://www.bitmex.com/app/autoDeleveraging
[2016-10-28 14:52:33] BitMEX_Sam : It is a loss recovery mechanism similar to socialized losses or the delev present on futures at CryptoFacilities or Huobi
[2016-10-28 14:52:35] Gemz : BitMEX_Sam: but that only when u are about to get liquidated, not in a profit?
[2016-10-28 14:52:36] sally : so how am I in the ADL so soon? Theres 541 other BTC positions that should be first
[2016-10-28 14:52:36] davesafe : bitmex sam see: ANY OTHER SITE
[2016-10-28 14:52:38] Rado : davesafe: you should trade regular crypto if you don't understand futures
[2016-10-28 14:52:50] sally : Do the market makers have ADL too?
[2016-10-28 14:52:53] BitMEX_Sam : If the money isn't in the system for you profit, something has to be done. This is how any comparable system works.
[2016-10-28 14:52:58] BitMEX_Sam : sally: Yes, everyone plays by the same rules.
[2016-10-28 14:53:00] Rado : sally: of course
[2016-10-28 14:53:18] sally : BitMEX_Sam: how is it possible im up for ADL already ?
[2016-10-28 14:53:31] BitMEX_Sam : sally: It's just an indication, it's a multiplier of your leverage and relative ROE %
[2016-10-28 14:53:37] BitMEX_Sam : See https://www.bitmex.com/app/autoDeleveraging
[2016-10-28 14:53:40] sally : there is 541 other btc that should be first
[2016-10-28 14:53:51] Gemz : so when u are in a profit, the system can still sell ur position, never heard about that
[2016-10-28 14:54:01] sally : BitMEX_Sam: im not using leverage ffs
[2016-10-28 14:54:18] BitMEX_Sam : 1x is still a leverage multiple. Read the doc please.
[2016-10-28 14:54:23] sally : nobody should take my ZEC
[2016-10-28 14:54:26] davesafe : ya i had 1x too lol
[2016-10-28 14:54:31] anonymous789 : Bitmex the contract size for zec:xbt should be smaller, maybe 0.5 zec or 0.25 zec per contract. The 1 zec contract size is way too much for people not wanting to take much risk.
[2016-10-28 14:54:33] sally : its going to 100 a BTC
[2016-10-28 14:54:37] Rado : sally: you don't have any ZEC
[2016-10-28 14:54:46] Rado : Thanks god I don't work for BitMEX
[2016-10-28 14:54:58] sally : Rado: yeah but the contract
[2016-10-28 14:55:04] Rado : I will curse all users for being stupid
[2016-10-28 14:55:17] RoftheN : Lol
[2016-10-28 14:55:31] sally : its gonna be over 100 btc a coin and im gonna miss out
[2016-10-28 14:55:50] RoftheN : It's going to be 100 BTC on Poloniex, not on bitmex
[2016-10-28 14:55:55] Rado : Fear of missing out is the best killer of traders
[2016-10-28 14:56:06] Gemz : ok i dont get this adl, thought it was only regarding liquidation, but seems it can sell ur profit even if u dont want to sell yet
[2016-10-28 14:56:09] sally : RoftheN: yeah and over 50btc here easy
[2016-10-28 14:56:14] Boontjie : So ZCash is worth $1K usd now
[2016-10-28 14:56:18] RoftheN : Maybe 10 or 20, not 50 I think