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[2016-10-28 05:37:35] CaptainDean : sabbybibi: no idea why they are using sol/s
[2016-10-28 05:37:37] janos666 : like Kilo or Giga...
[2016-10-28 05:37:48] CaptainDean : janos666: yeah
[2016-10-28 05:38:41] aili : 0.5 btc swings are crazy on zec)
[2016-10-28 05:39:04] imabeast : whale... dump again
[2016-10-28 05:39:05] imabeast : please
[2016-10-28 05:39:27] CaptainDean : wall at 0.69
[2016-10-28 05:39:36] Smartass : going to hell now
[2016-10-28 05:39:38] sabbybibi : CaptainDean: because it's the measure of "candidate headers correct EXCEPT for difficulty filter"/s i.e. the thing most analogous to "hash"[really nonce-choice]/s in bitcoin (or indeed in any other 1-phase rather than 2-phase algo)
[2016-10-28 05:39:45] Kahir : is that donald trump wall :D
[2016-10-28 05:40:03] Smartass : Kahir: hihi +1
[2016-10-28 05:40:07] CaptainDean : Kahir: the Trump tower ! :D
[2016-10-28 05:40:13] jose : no, because someone is really wanting to pay for it
[2016-10-28 05:40:14] Mohammad : CaptainDean: i see.but not understand..1h=1000sol
[2016-10-28 05:40:26] Mohammad : Ot not
[2016-10-28 05:40:59] CaptainDean : sabbybibi: copy that thanks
[2016-10-28 05:41:13] wurstgelee : there is no h/s for zcash
[2016-10-28 05:41:15] aethlios : The genesis block is scheduled to launch at 13:00 UTC today
[2016-10-28 05:41:19] wurstgelee : its sol/s
[2016-10-28 05:41:52] Mohammad : wurstgelee: in pool noted h/s why
[2016-10-28 05:42:10] wurstgelee : stabdard template?
[2016-10-28 05:42:19] wurstgelee : standard
[2016-10-28 05:42:24] imabeast : think we see another dump?
[2016-10-28 05:42:39] cokehead : zcash is going to be a big flop
[2016-10-28 05:42:44] wurstgelee : yes. please sell everyone
[2016-10-28 05:43:14] Smartass : imabeast: japp right now
[2016-10-28 05:43:23] Mohammad : Sol in poll that's Sol's yes??
[2016-10-28 05:43:35] Mohammad : H)s
[2016-10-28 05:47:39] wurstgelee : dont hesitate to hit the sell button please
[2016-10-28 05:48:33] sabbybibi : CaptainDean: (btw some software, e.g. that used by NiceHash, has renamed what they previously called H/s to "I/s" - I for iterations of *phase 1* [equihash] - cos that's a less confusing name)
[2016-10-28 05:49:08] sabbybibi : CaptainDean: (each "I" produces a variable number of phase 1 "sol"s - on average just under 2)
[2016-10-28 05:49:14] CaptainDean : sabbybibi: thanks for the explanation, appreciated
[2016-10-28 05:49:16] Kahir : https://twitter.com/BTC_kahir/status/791879321543639040
[2016-10-28 05:49:23] Kahir : :d
[2016-10-28 05:49:39] wurstgelee : haha
[2016-10-28 05:49:40] sabbybibi : CaptainDean: (it would be exactly 2 if temp-scratchpad-dropping was never done)
[2016-10-28 05:49:42] wurstgelee : :)
[2016-10-28 05:49:46] CaptainDean : Kahir: hahahaha
[2016-10-28 05:49:58] wurstgelee : n1
[2016-10-28 05:50:02] sabbybibi : so "sol/s" is just under twice so-called "H/s" now reb
[2016-10-28 05:50:14] sabbybibi : ...now renamed "I/s"
[2016-10-28 05:50:28] sabbybibi : basically "sol/s" is the one to pay attention to
[2016-10-28 05:50:29] wurstgelee : and now back to selling please
[2016-10-28 05:50:37] wurstgelee : dont distract everyone
[2016-10-28 05:51:06] sabbybibi : (since if you're an observer you don't see the details of what was found by people in phase 1, only how difficult it was for a phase 1 solution to pass phase 2)
[2016-10-28 05:54:22] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTZ16`: Sell 1 @ 713.89 :punch: :whale:
[2016-10-28 05:54:44] jm : floor about to fall out
[2016-10-28 05:55:03] imabeast : here comes another drop
[2016-10-28 05:55:07] jm : yup
[2016-10-28 05:55:18] CaptainDean : BTC ?
[2016-10-28 05:55:22] imabeast : zec
[2016-10-28 05:55:25] CaptainDean : k
[2016-10-28 05:55:28] jm : zec
[2016-10-28 05:56:46] chromaticcr1 : 还有中国的小伙伴在徘徊吗～
[2016-10-28 06:01:20] imabeast : next bounce at .3?
[2016-10-28 06:02:35] chromaticcr1 : cant wait for market manipulation at 1200UTC
[2016-10-28 06:04:35] Kahir : chromaticcr1: yes boii
[2016-10-28 06:06:21] imabeast : chromaticcr1: predictions?
[2016-10-28 06:06:47] chromaticcr1 : moon ---> UrAnus
[2016-10-28 06:07:05] mario mendez : que precio salio la cotizacion de zcash
[2016-10-28 06:08:30] wurstgelee : bter listing zcash 2. noone wants to be left out.
[2016-10-28 06:08:54] wurstgelee : cant remember all big alt exchanges ever listing a coin on day one.
[2016-10-28 06:08:55] imabeast : u think it drops a little more?
[2016-10-28 06:09:15] wurstgelee : aLso polo announced in advance. what they dont do normally
[2016-10-28 06:09:32] wurstgelee : eager for market shares...
[2016-10-28 06:09:48] BIGSHRIMP : Zcash is still strong and could do more
[2016-10-28 06:09:54] noobeater : made withdrawal from Bitmex 7hrs ago and yet to get my money.
[2016-10-28 06:10:02] aethlios : a coordinated scam
[2016-10-28 06:10:10] jm : noobeater: crap
[2016-10-28 06:10:35] aethlios : noobeater: once per day withdrawals
[2016-10-28 06:10:54] mario mendez : hay que esperar que estabilize el mercado para comprar
[2016-10-28 06:10:58] noobeater : aethlios: what does tht mean
[2016-10-28 06:11:01] mario mendez : algun venezolano
[2016-10-28 06:11:10] noobeater : jm: drunk
[2016-10-28 06:11:17] CaptainDean : noobeater: they do manual withdraw only once a day
[2016-10-28 06:11:22] chromaticcr1 : noobeater: Withdraw are processed once a day, by manual multisignature
[2016-10-28 06:11:24] aethlios : noobeater: they do them manually, so they release every day 16:00 utc
[2016-10-28 06:11:29] wurstgelee : manual multisig process
[2016-10-28 06:11:35] BIGSHRIMP : that sound healthy and secure
[2016-10-28 06:11:37] wurstgelee : slow but secure
[2016-10-28 06:11:40] wurstgelee : yep
[2016-10-28 06:11:40] chromaticcr1 : https://www.bitmex.com/app/withdraw
[2016-10-28 06:11:46] chromaticcr1 : https://www.bitmex.com/app/security#wallet-security
[2016-10-28 06:11:48] wurstgelee : hence only once a day
[2016-10-28 06:11:50] chromaticcr1 : these may help
[2016-10-28 06:12:03] jm : just want my money out
[2016-10-28 06:12:12] wurstgelee : withdraw now
[2016-10-28 06:12:17] wurstgelee : .gets sent later
[2016-10-28 06:12:32] wurstgelee : 13 utc
[2016-10-28 06:12:48] wurstgelee : not 16
[2016-10-28 06:12:49] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-10-28 06:14:11] noobeater : So if Bitmex had the number of users at Plo and Bitfinex, they will still do manual transactions. Withdrawal will then take 6months-1yr to process.
[2016-10-28 06:15:14] wurstgelee : nope.
[2016-10-28 06:15:22] wurstgelee : each day 13 utc
[2016-10-28 06:15:43] habibi : so far its the safest solution in the city
[2016-10-28 06:15:44] wurstgelee : all withdrawals initiated until 13 utc will be sent at 13 utc
[2016-10-28 06:16:18] miramm1115 : noobeater: bitfinex had very fast withdrawals with all bitcoin in hot wallets
[2016-10-28 06:16:23] wurstgelee : the transactions get creazed automatically.confirmation is a manual process
[2016-10-28 06:16:26] wurstgelee : thats all
[2016-10-28 06:16:35] wurstgelee : *t
[2016-10-28 06:17:27] imabeast : hmmmm should i buy...
[2016-10-28 06:18:00] Nitu : Xrp news ?
[2016-10-28 06:18:25] 200822893@qq.com : 你好
[2016-10-28 06:20:50] chromaticcr1 : 200822893@qq.com: 哈咯～
[2016-10-28 06:21:19] 200822893@qq.com : 如何充值？
[2016-10-28 06:21:32] chromaticcr1 : https://www.bitmex.com/app/deposit
[2016-10-28 06:21:46] 200822893@qq.com : 直接复制这个地址3BMEXqVfKWhYGeDNLfuXVzZbMaHXtahzQm
[2016-10-28 06:22:01] chromaticcr1 : 恩存B到你账户的地址
[2016-10-28 06:22:39] 200822893@qq.com : 元宝网能直接转币过来吗？
[2016-10-28 06:22:59] chromaticcr1 : 是比特币就能直接转过来了
[2016-10-28 06:23:05] chromaticcr1 : 看来你是过来玩ZEC吧
[2016-10-28 06:23:11] chromaticcr1 : 咋们有微信群，那边热闹一点的 weixin://dl/chat?bitmex
[2016-10-28 06:23:20] 200822893@qq.com : P网也行？
[2016-10-28 06:23:37] chromaticcr1 : 嗯嗯，是比特币就能存这个地址
[2016-10-28 06:23:46] 200822893@qq.com : 谢谢
[2016-10-28 06:25:03] chromaticcr1 : 这边冷钱包手动多签署提现，中国时间每天9时清算提现一次，如果你的钱要急着流动的话就多预算一下了
[2016-10-28 06:32:35] REKT : Liquidated long on `LTCXBT`: Sell 408 @ 0.00579
[2016-10-28 06:41:44] lpj : 微信群这个怎么加？weixin://dl/chat?bitmex
[2016-10-28 06:42:33] BitMEX_Jinming : lpj: 你的微信号是什么，我们可以加你进来
[2016-10-28 06:43:06] XXXX : It is too risky to go long ZEC now. I think i will invest a bit of my zcash profit in zcoin. the next best thing in anonymity after zcash. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1638450.0
[2016-10-28 06:43:23] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 50 @ 681.62
[2016-10-28 06:43:59] lpj : 微信号：loop-yo 谢谢
[2016-10-28 06:44:16] lpj : loop-Yo
[2016-10-28 06:45:23] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 50 @ 680.26
[2016-10-28 06:45:43] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 30000 @ 678.62 **MEGA-REKT** :boom:
[2016-10-28 06:47:57] 200822893@qq.com : 存款多久到账？
[2016-10-28 06:48:27] chromaticcr1 : 你的比特币会在一个网络确认后到帐。
[2016-10-28 06:49:00] 200822893@qq.com : 半小时了，还没到帐
[2016-10-28 06:49:40] chromaticcr1 : 存款在网络等嗲确认的时候你应该会受到邮件的，你看看你的比特币交易有确认没有
[2016-10-28 06:49:47] 200822893@qq.com : 官方微信号多少？
[2016-10-28 06:52:05] chromaticcr1 : 你在微信找找bitmex应该有的
[2016-10-28 06:52:26] 200822893@qq.com : 谢谢
[2016-10-28 07:06:57] kkk : 谁去把我的挂单给秒啦
[2016-10-28 07:07:56] chromaticcr1 : @接盘侠 :)
[2016-10-28 07:08:29] jose : https://twitter.com/Crypto_God/status/791898746867093504
[2016-10-28 07:08:48] jose : looks like we will have another ride before the big dump
[2016-10-28 07:18:33] HostFat : what do you think about this?
[2016-10-28 07:18:36] HostFat : https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1j-ZF2ld_UBp6vp93oQUJykzqaZt3DkYsXT2uKmOu-sg/edit#gid=0
[2016-10-28 07:18:41] HostFat : zcash
[2016-10-28 07:23:02] habibi : good stuff, will work on imagination of people, will lead to more fomo.
[2016-10-28 07:24:12] wurstgelee : no fomo selling plz. we are all going to die
[2016-10-28 07:24:13] wurstgelee : thank you
[2016-10-28 07:25:34] chromaticcr1 : let's ADL everyone by market order to 10BTC on 1200UTC
[2016-10-28 07:39:35] 200822893@qq.com : 请问50倍杠杆是默认的还是需要设置？
[2016-10-28 07:43:11] wurstgelee : i need sleep ffs. or more coffee
[2016-10-28 07:43:25] wurstgelee : also please sell ZEC, its doomed, everyone is domed. just sell.
[2016-10-28 07:43:29] wurstgelee : thanks
[2016-10-28 07:43:31] wurstgelee : brb ;)
[2016-10-28 07:43:46] rapidtrades : i was up until 30m before funding then fell asaleep
[2016-10-28 07:43:49] rapidtrades : missed the free money
[2016-10-28 07:44:02] rapidtrades : had alarm set...or so i thought
[2016-10-28 07:44:16] rapidtrades : had...
[2016-10-28 07:44:21] wurstgelee : i considered getting up for that but then decided its not worth it
[2016-10-28 07:44:25] sally : are there any experts here?
[2016-10-28 07:44:31] laisee : Should have kept drinking
[2016-10-28 07:44:41] sally : will the %25 limit be removed on zcash?
[2016-10-28 07:44:42] wurstgelee : laisee: pased out too? ;)
[2016-10-28 07:44:47] wurstgelee : sally: its 50% atm
[2016-10-28 07:44:48] wurstgelee : and yes
[2016-10-28 07:44:52] wurstgelee : read latest announcement
[2016-10-28 07:44:58] wurstgelee : *s
[2016-10-28 07:45:05] wurstgelee : oh right ...coffee
[2016-10-28 07:45:07] sally : lol
[2016-10-28 07:45:32] rapidtrades : zcash gainsz may be over, we're not pushing against the limits no more
[2016-10-28 07:45:56] laisee : from joy ... Was long before the listing and made 400%, now resting
[2016-10-28 07:46:56] laisee : wurst: crazy days in the crypto world
[2016-10-28 07:47:11] habibi : rapidtrades: then short and wait for rektage
[2016-10-28 07:47:31] habibi : i can assure u ath hasnt been reached
[2016-10-28 07:47:58] eth2mars : guys is the Zcash really worth 1 BTC?
[2016-10-28 07:48:18] ytaews : clearly not but markets can stay irrational longer than you can stay solvent etc...
[2016-10-28 07:48:22] habibi : nope, but its worth to buy at 1 btc just to sell at 1.5/2 or whatever
[2016-10-28 07:49:42] eth2mars : wow people here are brave to long/short zcash
[2016-10-28 07:50:44] rapidtrades : not brave just stupid
[2016-10-28 07:52:13] eth2mars : rapidtrades: simliar concept, dude. stupidity implies bravity. simple.
[2016-10-28 07:53:20] habibi : go and try to rationalize urself in any way u want rapid, at the end u are one having pain in the ass for not listening me or others for days here and taking free money
[2016-10-28 07:55:23] eth2mars : wish i have 100x on zec16 to short more
[2016-10-28 07:56:02] eth2mars : why it's only 2x
[2016-10-28 07:58:17] wurstgelee : go on
[2016-10-28 07:58:18] wurstgelee : short
[2016-10-28 07:58:21] wurstgelee : :)
[2016-10-28 07:59:01] zfan : eth2mars: so that you don't lose too much
[2016-10-28 08:00:05] habibi : eth2mars: with anything more than 3-4x i would be able to insta liquidate ur position so u dont know what u talking about
[2016-10-28 08:00:21] eth2mars : oh how merciful
[2016-10-28 08:02:01] eth2mars : habibi: hehe chill out dude, we will find out the winner on the last day of 2016
[2016-10-28 08:02:27] eth2mars : i'm ready to mine zcash
[2016-10-28 08:02:59] habibi : eth2mars: who cares about 30dec price?
[2016-10-28 08:03:32] eth2mars : i accumulated enough eth since olympic and will accumulate zcash ;) will mine till end of year
[2016-10-28 08:04:00] eth2mars : cause i will taking new year vacation in the moon, hehe
[2016-10-28 08:04:46] habibi : good, hope someone will finally show u sell button
[2016-10-28 08:05:38] maker101 : Saltyness
[2016-10-28 08:06:09] maker101 : Shorters vs Longers show always lol
[2016-10-28 08:11:26] wurstgelee : 10:02 - eth2mars: habibi: hehe chill out dude, we will find out the winner on the last day of 2016
[2016-10-28 08:11:29] wurstgelee : lol
[2016-10-28 08:11:35] wurstgelee : u know that u can buy or sell any time?
[2016-10-28 08:11:43] wurstgelee : u dont have to wait for dec 30th....
[2016-10-28 08:12:13] wurstgelee : the price @ dec 30 is completely irrelevant right now
[2016-10-28 08:12:41] wurstgelee : damn u guys
[2016-10-28 08:12:43] wurstgelee : sell not buy :(
[2016-10-28 08:16:27] sally : yeah, shorting zec is easy money
[2016-10-28 08:16:38] sunny : yes
[2016-10-28 08:17:41] chromaticcr1 : sally: if you have sufficient amount of capital and is willing to look at your unrealized loss
[2016-10-28 08:18:54] sally : even the zcash team would consider hedging at these levels
[2016-10-28 08:18:57] sunny : ha
[2016-10-28 08:20:12] maker101 : Couple of Chinese Whales could deposit 100 BTC and literally liquidate us all in seconds
[2016-10-28 08:20:35] maker101 : Likely given the interest
[2016-10-28 08:20:37] maker101 : lol
[2016-10-28 08:20:45] kumarz : hmm, so you guys are short? or just "experts"
[2016-10-28 08:21:12] zfan : just takin' early seats for the show
[2016-10-28 08:21:21] maker101 : kumarz: You question is - Are we shorting or experts?
[2016-10-28 08:21:42] maker101 : If we are experts what do you think our position would be? long
[2016-10-28 08:21:53] maker101 : Is that question actually are you shorting or longing?
[2016-10-28 08:22:08] kumarz : hehe, nah was just askin coz u lot reckon shorting it is easy money
[2016-10-28 08:22:27] maker101 : And you realise this is a trollbox
[2016-10-28 08:22:27] kumarz : when in reality, the exact time to go short it(and not get rekt) is difficult to tell
[2016-10-28 08:22:43] maker101 : and you realise every trade on this exchange is a swap between users?
[2016-10-28 08:22:45] kumarz : yeah yeah I hear ya ... trollbox indeed
[2016-10-28 08:23:04] kumarz : a swap in the true sense or a swap as in zewrosumgame ?
[2016-10-28 08:23:08] maker101 : So essentially you are buying or selling position off other people from this troll box
[2016-10-28 08:23:41] wurstgelee : More asks below .9 please
[2016-10-28 08:23:46] kumarz : ha doesn;t always apply ... a lot of trolls are just trolls(not really trading coz they can;t afford koyn) :p
[2016-10-28 08:23:48] maker101 : in a sense, it's a case of who can outsit each other
[2016-10-28 08:23:55] maker101 : in a sense, we are stealing from each other
[2016-10-28 08:23:56] kumarz : maker101: tru dat
[2016-10-28 08:24:31] zfan : no, its a process of learning
[2016-10-28 08:24:31] maker101 : So EVERYONE SELL now. I mean BUY
[2016-10-28 08:24:54] wurstgelee : seriously. more asks please
[2016-10-28 08:24:54] maker101 : zfan: we are literally stealing from each other lol
[2016-10-28 08:24:57] wurstgelee : :)
[2016-10-28 08:25:45] maker101 : The only winner is Bitmex
[2016-10-28 08:26:52] maker101 : Nice website though, probably took a few hours and a stroke of genius
[2016-10-28 08:27:05] maker101 : so fully deserved in my opinion
[2016-10-28 08:27:09] kumarz : maker101: dammnnn, why so sinikalll
[2016-10-28 08:27:48] maker101 : Love the fact everything uses bitcoin, so we might be longing or shorting alts, but the only really value here lies in BTC
[2016-10-28 08:28:03] maker101 : kumarz: Truths
[2016-10-28 08:29:25] maker101 : You will notice you can't withdraw anything but BTC
[2016-10-28 08:29:43] maker101 : so Bitmex probably own zero of all the alts listed here
[2016-10-28 08:30:18] Boontjie : maker101: yes, this is a futures market, on delivery everyone settles
[2016-10-28 08:31:01] Boontjie : You can have a BTC bet on anything, even who wins the polls, with a corresponding payout
[2016-10-28 08:31:27] Boontjie : The only requirement is a liquid market to determine market price - i.e. Polo in alt cases as used here
[2016-10-28 08:33:02] maker101 : I guess with Zcash they have proven you don't even need a liquid market
[2016-10-28 08:33:14] maker101 : Boontjie: True dat
[2016-10-28 08:33:43] Boontjie : maker101: They dont have mark, they are the market, but you have seen what happens in low liquidity
[2016-10-28 08:33:52] zanza : wow what happened to zcash ?
[2016-10-28 08:33:55] zfan : maker101: you don't need the market at all (ref)
[2016-10-28 08:34:02] maker101 : I do have to ask
[2016-10-28 08:34:03] zanza : did it just triple ?
[2016-10-28 08:34:04] Boontjie : Someone got Gently Caressed
[2016-10-28 08:34:20] maker101 : don't you guys think the size/volume for zcash limits the trade?
[2016-10-28 08:34:28] maker101 : Fact you can only trade 1 Zcash at a time
[2016-10-28 08:34:28] Boontjie : maker101: Thats the point
[2016-10-28 08:34:45] Boontjie : There is so little Zcash and so much hype the price can only go up
[2016-10-28 08:35:05] Boontjie : If no one was buying it would go nowhere, I just stayed away, the bubble will burst
[2016-10-28 08:35:07] maker101 : Nar but... $800 minimum per trade
[2016-10-28 08:35:16] maker101 : Silly
[2016-10-28 08:35:43] Boontjie : maker101: It depends, it needs fundamentals, bitcoin has blockchain and its applications
[2016-10-28 08:36:01] Boontjie : Zcash has... anonimity
[2016-10-28 08:36:07] Dtrade16 : Guys is a 0.40 H/S contract any good for Zcash?
[2016-10-28 08:36:10] maker101 : We need $8. Thing needs to be divided by 100. Truth is they never anticipated an alt getting so big so the system is struggling
[2016-10-28 08:36:25] maker101 : 0.01 ZEC trades
[2016-10-28 08:36:44] Boontjie : yeah, the need to peg it to uSD
[2016-10-28 08:37:01] maker101 : We are all making a minimum of like $600 trades
[2016-10-28 08:37:05] Dtrade16 : Does anyone know how may coins that can mine?
[2016-10-28 08:37:17] maker101 : That's crazy
[2016-10-28 08:37:21] Dtrade16 : Many*
[2016-10-28 08:37:28] maker101 : 21 million
[2016-10-28 08:38:18] Dtrade16 : ??
[2016-10-28 08:38:49] maker101 : The total supply of Zcash is 21 million. Is that what you area asking
[2016-10-28 08:38:51] maker101 : ?
[2016-10-28 08:38:56] Dtrade16 : No
[2016-10-28 08:39:12] maker101 : Dtrade16: Right. Throw me a bone here.
[2016-10-28 08:39:24] Dtrade16 : I'm asking how many coins would a .40 H/S contract mine
[2016-10-28 08:39:31] maker101 : Ahh good question
[2016-10-28 08:39:45] maker101 : I saw those mining contracts with genesys
[2016-10-28 08:39:52] maker101 : is that what are contemplating?
[2016-10-28 08:39:54] Dtrade16 : Yes
[2016-10-28 08:40:06] Dtrade16 : I've already purchased it
[2016-10-28 08:40:14] Dtrade16 : With Zeropond
[2016-10-28 08:40:37] maker101 : Dtrade16: Good luck. I've always had bad experiences with mining shit
[2016-10-28 08:40:55] maker101 : Locked in to a declining contract
[2016-10-28 08:41:05] maker101 : you want a platform like cex.io where you can trade hashes
[2016-10-28 08:41:17] sally : if you use 1-1 on zcash can you be liquidated?
[2016-10-28 08:41:23] Dtrade16 : Yes but this is a tiny contract
[2016-10-28 08:41:39] sally : eg= Short from here or long from here
[2016-10-28 08:41:59] Dtrade16 : maker101: So I'm guessing you don't know how many coins that amount of hash can generate right?
[2016-10-28 08:43:43] maker101 : Dtrade16: no idea!
[2016-10-28 08:43:59] Dtrade16 : maker101: Ok thanks
[2016-10-28 08:44:05] lanbetatester : test
[2016-10-28 08:44:17] maker101 : lanbetatester: Confirmed
[2016-10-28 08:44:35] j8 : sally: longs can only lose 100%, shorts could lose 1000% or more. so you can be long and totally safe, you need a bit less than 1x leverage because of the maintenance margin
[2016-10-28 08:44:44] lanbetatester : good :)
[2016-10-28 08:45:24] sally : j8: so if im short im screwed
[2016-10-28 08:45:33] j8 : yah pretty much
[2016-10-28 08:46:17] sally : so of the 458 btc opened in trades half are short?
[2016-10-28 08:47:01] j8 : that's 458 short and 458 long
[2016-10-28 08:47:03] habibi : sally: there is 458 contracts in shorts and same in longs
[2016-10-28 08:47:39] sally : open value is 458?
[2016-10-28 08:48:05] j8 : 458 btc, not 458 contracts. you're all ready for 1.00 zec/btc aren't you @habibi
[2016-10-28 08:48:49] habibi : j8: i am fine with previous spike, got ADL-ed at 1.04
[2016-10-28 08:49:13] j8 : nothing wrong with that
[2016-10-28 08:49:38] wurstgelee : everything wrong. we are all dommed. please sell oO
[2016-10-28 08:49:43] wurstgelee : *doomed also
[2016-10-28 08:53:35] maker101 : Zscam
[2016-10-28 09:04:33] miramm1115 : zec still so cheap, I'm not going to buy it so cheap, I have my principles
[2016-10-28 09:08:44] RoftheN : Lol. Whether ZEC is a scam or not is not important. The thing is, it starts with 0 blockreward, builds up slowly to 12.5 in 34 days. Which means on day 1, less than 5000 ZEC will be mined, and then it can easily be pumped up
[2016-10-28 09:09:42] habibi : way less, 84-200 depends on calcs
[2016-10-28 09:12:25] wurstgelee : RoftheN: hich means on day 1, less than 5000 ZEC will be mined, and then it can easily be pumped up
[2016-10-28 09:12:26] wurstgelee : no
[2016-10-28 09:12:31] wurstgelee : day one will be 83 ZEC
[2016-10-28 09:12:39] wurstgelee : not 5000
[2016-10-28 09:12:46] wurstgelee : supply after 1 wek will be 4000
[2016-10-28 09:12:48] wurstgelee : total
[2016-10-28 09:12:52] wurstgelee : *week
[2016-10-28 09:13:05] RoftheN : 200 is less than 5000. I'm not good at math so I just said less than 5000 as Im sure it's less
[2016-10-28 09:13:13] wurstgelee : RoftheN: 83!
[2016-10-28 09:13:16] RoftheN : 83 is less than 5000 too
[2016-10-28 09:13:18] RoftheN : just saying
[2016-10-28 09:13:20] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-10-28 09:13:33] RoftheN : But in that case
[2016-10-28 09:13:39] wurstgelee : 5000 would be a small supply.....83 is a practically non-existing supply
[2016-10-28 09:13:44] RoftheN : It might even go to 1000$
[2016-10-28 09:13:47] wurstgelee : yes
[2016-10-28 09:13:54] RoftheN : Either way, but this future market is for december right?
[2016-10-28 09:14:05] RoftheN : So it's confusing
[2016-10-28 09:14:05] wurstgelee : that doesnt matter.....you dont have to hold until then
[2016-10-28 09:14:07] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-10-28 09:14:14] wurstgelee : it will follow spot.
[2016-10-28 09:14:15] RoftheN : Yeah but if everyone knows that it will be lower in December
[2016-10-28 09:14:17] RoftheN : Oh okay
[2016-10-28 09:14:21] RoftheN : Then I'll buy some
[2016-10-28 09:14:22] RoftheN : I wish I did yesterday
[2016-10-28 09:14:24] RoftheN : or day before
[2016-10-28 09:14:24] vijay : I am very new for trading here
[2016-10-28 09:14:26] wurstgelee : and spot will be 2btc per zec at some point
[2016-10-28 09:14:30] wurstgelee : *just a guess ;)
[2016-10-28 09:14:39] RoftheN : Well I think today will be ATH
[2016-10-28 09:14:42] maker101 : a low supply of shit is still shit
[2016-10-28 09:14:51] wurstgelee : polo fomo will cause ath
[2016-10-28 09:14:53] habibi : maker101: short it more please then
[2016-10-28 09:15:01] miramm1115 : but it's golden shit!
[2016-10-28 09:15:01] wurstgelee : as long as it isnt listed @ polo, we didnt have ath :P
[2016-10-28 09:15:22] wurstgelee : maker101: please sell me some shit @ .8
[2016-10-28 09:15:29] RoftheN : But it will list on polo today
[2016-10-28 09:15:34] maker101 : habibi: I'm shorting it with all my might. I have all asset tied in shorting this hype shit
[2016-10-28 09:15:39] wurstgelee : RoftheN: polo, finex, kraken, trex, btc-e, shapeshift
[2016-10-28 09:15:43] wurstgelee : all confirmed listing on day 1
[2016-10-28 09:15:50] RoftheN : Exactly
[2016-10-28 09:16:02] RoftheN : Soo ATH is inevitable with such a supply
[2016-10-28 09:16:05] RoftheN : ATH for years
[2016-10-28 09:16:11] wurstgelee : bter not btc-e tho
[2016-10-28 09:16:15] RoftheN : or ever
[2016-10-28 09:16:16] habibi : maker101: thank u, it sounds like a lot of money, i didnt ask for so much but thank u
[2016-10-28 09:16:24] RoftheN : maker101, I think you should wait for tomorrow to short it
[2016-10-28 09:16:36] wurstgelee : maker101: thank you.
[2016-10-28 09:16:41] wurstgelee : you made a mistake but thank you
[2016-10-28 09:16:43] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-10-28 09:17:00] maker101 : wurstgelee: @RoftheN Short closed thanks for advice
[2016-10-28 09:17:15] RoftheN : Haha
[2016-10-28 09:17:17] wurstgelee : maker101: closed when? :)
[2016-10-28 09:17:18] wurstgelee : lolz
[2016-10-28 09:17:25] wurstgelee : tehre were no orders executed in the last 8 mins
[2016-10-28 09:17:42] maker101 : give me a second
[2016-10-28 09:17:58] RoftheN : But yeah I think I'm gonna short and mine tomorrow
[2016-10-28 09:18:03] noldi : ZEC is a burble waiting to burst
[2016-10-28 09:18:08] RoftheN : I wonder what ZEC will do to ETH hashrate
[2016-10-28 09:18:09] wurstgelee : noldi: yes
[2016-10-28 09:18:13] wurstgelee : noone questions that
[2016-10-28 09:18:28] wurstgelee : its not time for bursting yet tho ;)
[2016-10-28 09:18:41] maker101 : If you have the margin, we all know this is not going to be worth 870 million
[2016-10-28 09:18:58] wurstgelee : no point in shorting now no matter what margin u have
[2016-10-28 09:19:06] wurstgelee : imo ;)
[2016-10-28 09:19:09] maker101 : my short is staying with a decent pump room
[2016-10-28 09:19:09] RoftheN : Actually I think it could be in 8 years
[2016-10-28 09:19:22] wurstgelee : RoftheN: easily ;)
[2016-10-28 09:19:48] maker101 : All alt hype has come and gone time and time again
[2016-10-28 09:19:52] RoftheN : And the best part is that it has these easily predictable halvings like bitcoin. Just buy a month or two before a halving and most likely you profit
[2016-10-28 09:19:54] maker101 : the only real gold is bitcoin
[2016-10-28 09:20:11] wurstgelee : maker101: same emission curve but anonymous
[2016-10-28 09:20:23] maker101 : wurstgelee: still a stupid alt
[2016-10-28 09:20:26] wurstgelee : zcash will be big in darknet in no time
[2016-10-28 09:20:40] wurstgelee : and thats a huge market alone...
[2016-10-28 09:20:41] maker101 : wurstgelee: and hacked by the darknets again and again
[2016-10-28 09:20:49] wurstgelee : ?
[2016-10-28 09:20:54] maker101 : plenty of decentralysed marketplacces using BTC
[2016-10-28 09:21:01] RoftheN : I think there's a big competition going on for what will be the next bitcoin, and Ethereum did well until the DAO shit happened and now has no chance. Zcash has some chance, but maybe an even better one will be created next year, without the 10% of all supply goes to devs/investors
[2016-10-28 09:21:04] noldi : wurstgelee: no point in shorting now?
[2016-10-28 09:21:18] maker101 : Monero crash = another anonymous darknet run away with the cash
[2016-10-28 09:21:24] maker101 : Bullshit
[2016-10-28 09:21:29] wurstgelee : RoftheN: eth has a different purpose. primary purpose isnt being a currency
[2016-10-28 09:21:44] RoftheN : I know, ETH still has a promising future, but it won't be the next bitcoin
[2016-10-28 09:22:14] maker101 : RoftheN: why do we need a next bitcoin when the current one is being used world wide and has plans like the lightning network bolted onto it
[2016-10-28 09:22:48] maker101 : Can't imagine you localZcash can you?
[2016-10-28 09:22:54] maker101 : Localbitcoins :)
[2016-10-28 09:22:54] RoftheN : We don't need one, but I think it's inevitable. People have been trying to make a better one and one day one will be soooo good that it will overtake it
[2016-10-28 09:23:21] maker101 : Current one is just fine and will be upgraded to suffice
[2016-10-28 09:23:29] RoftheN : But Zcash has a higher chance of being outlawed in many countries
[2016-10-28 09:23:56] noldi : wurstgelee: no point in shorting now no matter what margin u have? how comes
[2016-10-28 09:23:58] maker101 : Zcash is an over hyped shit choin
[2016-10-28 09:24:23] maker101 : Darkcoin and Shadowcoin have better anonymous tech
[2016-10-28 09:24:28] wurstgelee : noldi: because shorters will get a better entry later
[2016-10-28 09:24:29] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-10-28 09:24:59] maker101 : mark my words, will be lucky to be worth 0.1 BTC in 4 weeks
[2016-10-28 09:25:18] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 20 @ 684.02
[2016-10-28 09:26:06] maker101 : 0.1 is still 100million hahah ridiculous
[2016-10-28 09:27:29] RoftheN : Maker101 I totally agree
[2016-10-28 09:27:29] RoftheN : but today
[2016-10-28 09:27:30] RoftheN : It will be worth more than bitcoin
[2016-10-28 09:27:40] RoftheN : simply because of low supply
[2016-10-28 09:27:56] maker101 : That boost we just had was a one off high that will never happen again
[2016-10-28 09:28:11] maker101 : madness prevails.
[2016-10-28 09:28:30] RoftheN : It will happen only today
[2016-10-28 09:28:33] maker101 : A coin worth 12 billion before launch? madness no?
[2016-10-28 09:28:44] RoftheN : It's not worth 12 billion
[2016-10-28 09:28:48] RoftheN : The supply isn't 21 million
[2016-10-28 09:28:52] RoftheN : The supply will be 83 on the first day
[2016-10-28 09:28:53] maker101 : I understand the logistics
[2016-10-28 09:29:13] maker101 : But why would you pay more than bitcoin for a coin that does absolutely nothing
[2016-10-28 09:29:14] RoftheN : Either way, if you're informed it's an easy way to make money
[2016-10-28 09:29:18] RoftheN : Long now, short tomorrow
[2016-10-28 09:29:28] maker101 : This is just crazyness
[2016-10-28 09:29:28] RoftheN : Because people will pump it up
[2016-10-28 09:29:30] RoftheN : and I want to make money
[2016-10-28 09:29:40] maker101 : You hope there are stupid people on polo
[2016-10-28 09:29:49] RoftheN : There's plenty of stupid people on polo
[2016-10-28 09:29:58] maker101 : if they are smarter and won't trade more than 0.05? :P
[2016-10-28 09:30:04] RoftheN : But they're not smarter
[2016-10-28 09:30:10] RoftheN : They're greedy people that want to make money
[2016-10-28 09:30:20] maker101 : This little bitmex hype zone is going to end
[2016-10-28 09:30:56] btceurope : what time zcash will be in polo and kraken?
[2016-10-28 09:31:08] RoftheN : around 13 UTC I
[2016-10-28 09:31:11] RoftheN : maybe slightly later
[2016-10-28 09:31:15] btceurope : ok thanks
[2016-10-28 09:31:36] RoftheN : and it's now 9:30 UTC
[2016-10-28 09:32:49] RoftheN : Why can't we buy less than 1 ZEC token?
[2016-10-28 09:33:32] miramm1115 : it's done to make sure all zec ends up in whales' pockets
[2016-10-28 09:33:45] maker101 : RoftheN: This stupidity is for high rolling losers only
[2016-10-28 09:34:04] maker101 : When it drops to 0.01 BTC you can trade it like the rest of the tokens
[2016-10-28 09:34:13] aethlios : https://s3.amazonaws.com/tradingview/snapshots/e/eBlNK2FC.png
[2016-10-28 09:34:28] aethlios : monero bottomed, mfi daily double bottom
[2016-10-28 09:34:56] RoftheN : You really think monero will pump when a better alternative is going to launch today?
[2016-10-28 09:35:22] btceurope : monero will go down like all these last days
[2016-10-28 09:35:38] btceurope : I see them yesterday at 0.092
[2016-10-28 09:35:50] btceurope : I sold them yesterday
[2016-10-28 09:36:28] btceurope : I bought yesterday 2 contracts of zcash a t 0.52 we will see what happens I want sell at 1.15
[2016-10-28 09:37:09] aethlios : RoftheN: from today zcash starts the long journey of a bear market.
[2016-10-28 09:37:41] aethlios : btceurope: reached 1.175
[2016-10-28 09:37:59] miramm1115 : btceurope: 1.15 is way too cheap, place a sell @ 4.5 or so
[2016-10-28 09:38:35] btceurope : I know but thats 1.17 was the max better sell before that max at max can return
[2016-10-28 09:38:40] maker101 : btceurope: sell @ 2500 BTC instead
[2016-10-28 09:38:46] btceurope : hahahaah
[2016-10-28 09:38:54] btceurope : ok 2500 is good hahah
[2016-10-28 09:38:59] maker101 : 1.15 is too cheap try 2500
[2016-10-28 09:39:14] btceurope : i will sell 1.15 anyway
[2016-10-28 09:40:09] btceurope : if im wrong i will buy again later
[2016-10-28 09:42:32] btceurope : 1.15 good price to sell
[2016-10-28 09:42:59] maker101 : There is only one thing we know for certain, it will go up or down :)
[2016-10-28 09:43:33] btceurope : smart comment
[2016-10-28 09:43:35] btceurope : Anothr certain thing is that all of us will die
[2016-10-28 09:43:57] maker101 : btceurope: And pay taxes
[2016-10-28 09:44:08] RoftheN : And entropy
[2016-10-28 09:44:42] jose : false, there are 397 bots here
[2016-10-28 09:45:03] maker101 : and that if you have a daughter....
[2016-10-28 09:46:01] btceurope : taxes depend country and daughter depend she can live in church closed for live
[2016-10-28 09:46:02] btceurope : hahahah
[2016-10-28 09:46:12] wurstgelee : less talking, more selling
[2016-10-28 09:46:22] wurstgelee : thank you
[2016-10-28 09:46:44] btceurope : selling or buying no?
[2016-10-28 09:58:30] maker101 : btceurope: Getting REKT
[2016-10-28 09:59:13] noldi : maker101: sell @2.5 btc?
[2016-10-28 10:00:25] btceurope : No one know what will happens with zec so...
[2016-10-28 10:01:45] wurstgelee : i do. its doomed. please sell
[2016-10-28 10:02:54] btceurope : sell to buy you cheaper right?
[2016-10-28 10:04:44] maker101 : Delusional........
[2016-10-28 10:05:44] maker101 : supply scarcity causing inflation of something that is not intrinsically of value.. Delusional........
[2016-10-28 10:07:02] maker101 : I will drink your milkshake (jokes)
[2016-10-28 10:07:07] uwotmate : zcrash is going down now
[2016-10-28 10:07:40] zecpumperIseeyou : That's funny everyone is expecting it to gi down, but still it stays
[2016-10-28 10:08:05] wurstgelee : no
[2016-10-28 10:08:13] wurstgelee : most aren't expecting that
[2016-10-28 10:08:17] wurstgelee : otherwise it would go down
[2016-10-28 10:08:26] wurstgelee : some people stuck in shorts maybe want it to go down
[2016-10-28 10:08:30] wurstgelee : or people with unfilled longs
[2016-10-28 10:08:31] zecpumperIseeyou : In the chat especially
[2016-10-28 10:08:32] wurstgelee : thats all
[2016-10-28 10:08:41] wurstgelee : btw..please sell. its doomed
[2016-10-28 10:08:42] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-10-28 10:09:02] uwotmate : I don't have a position open. Objective observer stating that it's crashing very soon
[2016-10-28 10:09:23] uwotmate : if you don't sell now, big whale is going to dump 100+ and wreck it down to 0.3
[2016-10-28 10:09:31] wurstgelee : uwotmate: who is that "objective observer"?
[2016-10-28 10:10:21] btceurope : why a big whale can't go buy 100 and only sell?
[2016-10-28 10:10:22] wurstgelee : limits...
[2016-10-28 10:10:32] wurstgelee : btceurope: why would someone do that?
[2016-10-28 10:10:32] wurstgelee : uwotmate: it cant go to .3....theoretically impossible
[2016-10-28 10:10:38] uwotmate : I'm the objective observer, recommending to sell now if you don't want to get wrecked down to 0.3 within the half hour
[2016-10-28 10:10:45] btceurope : why not?
[2016-10-28 10:10:50] wurstgelee : with almost no supply?
[2016-10-28 10:10:54] wurstgelee : thats a recipe for rekt...
[2016-10-28 10:11:01] wurstgelee : being stuck in a huge shor when it goes live at all big exchanges today?
[2016-10-28 10:11:45] wurstgelee : oh damn. my bad. eveyrthing is doomed
[2016-10-28 10:11:46] wurstgelee : please sell
[2016-10-28 10:11:59] btceurope : but where they are placing this shorts orders?