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[2016-10-26 23:39:27] rapidtrades : we already paid 3% from 614-650
[2016-10-26 23:39:39] rapidtrades : guess i see ur point
[2016-10-26 23:40:54] rapidtrades : can i pull out more data then 100 in trade history?
[2016-10-26 23:41:09] rapidtrades : to csv
[2016-10-26 23:41:22] rapidtrades : when did they lauch the swap
[2016-10-26 23:41:42] sleger : a friday
[2016-10-26 23:41:48] rapidtrades : may
[2016-10-26 23:41:54] lockhedge : rapidtrades: only 100 at once, but you can get the whole history via ui
[2016-10-26 23:42:14] rapidtrades : lockhedge: how
[2016-10-26 23:42:50] sleger : rapidtrades: i got 102 for you
[2016-10-26 23:42:56] sleger : https://www.bitmex.com/api/v1/trade?count=102&reverse=false
[2016-10-26 23:44:22] lockhedge : rapidtrades: you can just click on "next page" and download again
[2016-10-26 23:44:54] rapidtrades : lockhedge: gee tnx
[2016-10-26 23:45:08] rapidtrades : ok so i got them all but i dunno where to find the %
[2016-10-26 23:45:22] rapidtrades : fee rate is not a column
[2016-10-26 23:45:35] rapidtrades : and values im getting are super weird
[2016-10-26 23:45:41] rapidtrades : huge numbers
[2016-10-26 23:46:21] rapidtrades : in the excel files
[2016-10-26 23:46:27] sleger : divide by 1 billion
[2016-10-26 23:46:31] sleger : they will be much smaller
[2016-10-26 23:46:36] rapidtrades : ....
[2016-10-26 23:48:34] rapidtrades : ok theyre under 'commission'
[2016-10-26 23:48:50] rapidtrades : so u can't get the value paid in btc
[2016-10-26 23:48:55] rapidtrades : just the %
[2016-10-26 23:49:08] rapidtrades : this file is f*cked....can't it be cleared up a bit
[2016-10-26 23:49:11] sleger : no you can
[2016-10-26 23:49:16] j8 : it would be in satoshis if anything
[2016-10-26 23:49:24] sleger : it is
[2016-10-26 23:49:45] j8 : so sleger is almost not kidding when he says divide by 1 billion. you should divide by 100 million
[2016-10-26 23:50:08] rapidtrades : yeah i thought so....
[2016-10-26 23:50:28] rapidtrades : but there's another column with negative huge numbers next to it...what's that
[2016-10-26 23:50:43] lockhedge : it's not in satoshis
[2016-10-26 23:50:55] sleger : j8: i almost told him if it doesnt work to do x10 instead, but i didnt
[2016-10-26 23:51:38] RocketScience : 10 dollar spread on xbt dec
[2016-10-26 23:51:39] sleger : lockhedge: what is not ?
[2016-10-26 23:52:22] lockhedge : column name should be `funding rate` and result of the first row should be `0.001371`
[2016-10-26 23:52:29] rapidtrades : ok so unless im doing this wrong
[2016-10-26 23:52:42] rapidtrades : if u add all this up, funding rate has no impact
[2016-10-26 23:52:55] sleger : if you have no position thats correct
[2016-10-26 23:53:03] j8 : sounds like you're doing it wrong
[2016-10-26 23:53:05] rapidtrades : it's actually -0.12%
[2016-10-26 23:53:22] rapidtrades : sleger: no i filtered it by funding only to show all since inception
[2016-10-26 23:53:34] sleger : may depend when you start but yes you're surely doing it wrong
[2016-10-26 23:53:41] sleger : which we would have expected from the getgo
[2016-10-26 23:53:44] rapidtrades : oh wait....need to x100
[2016-10-26 23:53:50] rapidtrades : this file is so f*cked
[2016-10-26 23:54:12] lockhedge : rapidtrades: take it from here and filter XBTUSD www.bitmex.com/app/fundingHistory
[2016-10-26 23:54:40] rapidtrades : i did
[2016-10-26 23:55:13] rapidtrades : so it's around -15% meaning shorts paid that in fees since launch
[2016-10-26 23:55:28] rapidtrades : roughly
[2016-10-26 23:55:35] sleger : what the people complaining about then
[2016-10-26 23:56:09] rapidtrades : can smone confirm? i added up all the % funding periods
[2016-10-26 23:56:26] rapidtrades : under column AA commission
[2016-10-26 23:56:45] j8 : rapidtrades: did you start the funding rates from your own trade history?
[2016-10-26 23:56:46] lockhedge : rapidtrades: from when? XBTUSD changed funded terms several times
[2016-10-26 23:57:01] rapidtrades : ok here they are by earlist to latest
[2016-10-26 23:57:05] rapidtrades : from may to now
[2016-10-26 23:57:13] rapidtrades : -8.79
[2016-10-26 23:57:21] rapidtrades : -4.97
[2016-10-26 23:57:26] rapidtrades : -3.5
[2016-10-26 23:57:33] rapidtrades : and latest +2.2
[2016-10-26 23:58:00] rapidtrades : smone check my figures
[2016-10-26 23:59:15] rapidtrades : i used this filter in trade history to limit the data
[2016-10-26 23:59:17] rapidtrades : {"text":"Funding","symbol":"XBTUSD"}
[2016-10-26 23:59:53] lockhedge : rapidtrades: use the funding history, not your trade history and just this filter {"symbol":"XBTUSD"}
[2016-10-27 00:00:04] rapidtrades : ah
[2016-10-27 00:00:10] miramm1115 : average 8h funding was 0.04% last time I checked
[2016-10-27 00:00:33] miramm1115 : pretty sure it's still positive
[2016-10-27 00:00:39] rapidtrades : lockhedge: how do i do that
[2016-10-27 00:00:40] j8 : your own trade history shows positive if you paid, not if the rate was positive
[2016-10-27 00:00:51] j8 : https://www.bitmex.com/app/fundingHistory
[2016-10-27 00:00:56] j8 : {"symbol":"XBTUSD"}
[2016-10-27 00:01:02] rapidtrades : no cos i used the % @j8 not the BTC value
[2016-10-27 00:01:18] j8 : i know it's still the wrong sign if you're short
[2016-10-27 00:01:48] rapidtrades : well just redo it....the % are under column AA
[2016-10-27 00:02:03] rapidtrades : have stuff to do...
[2016-10-27 00:02:26] j8 : you would also have missed entries if you didn't have any position then
[2016-10-27 00:03:31] j8 : sum of last 100 funding rates is 5.151%
[2016-10-27 00:03:49] rapidtrades : ok
[2016-10-27 00:04:00] 99991111 : If the early spot price of zec goes to 2 BTC, what do you think the futures contract will be?
[2016-10-27 00:04:17] wurstgelee : higher than 2btc
[2016-10-27 00:04:18] rapidtrades : j8: ur right that was just my data
[2016-10-27 00:04:18] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-10-27 00:04:55] lockhedge : 99991111: depends on the volume of the spot trades
[2016-10-27 00:05:24] rapidtrades : j8: I'm getting 6%
[2016-10-27 00:05:31] 99991111 : total supply of ZEC is 103 after the first day
[2016-10-27 00:06:24] j8 : rapidtrades: can't help ya with that
[2016-10-27 00:06:55] rapidtrades : i just used autosum on the data....
[2016-10-27 00:07:01] j8 : so did i. wait let me double check something
[2016-10-27 00:07:08] sleger : probably the 2000 year bug with older laptops
[2016-10-27 00:07:31] 99991111 : i wonder who is shorting ZEC
[2016-10-27 00:07:34] j8 : nevermind you're right, 6.0113% is what i get
[2016-10-27 00:07:44] 99991111 : that would take guts
[2016-10-27 00:07:56] sleger : 99991111: I did, I lost 15btc with that game
[2016-10-27 00:08:06] 99991111 : ough, sorry sleger
[2016-10-27 00:08:08] rapidtrades : ok total 22%
[2016-10-27 00:08:14] rapidtrades : since f*cking may
[2016-10-27 00:08:20] 99991111 : still time to get on the long side
[2016-10-27 00:08:21] wurstgelee : sleger: the one dpe-event?
[2016-10-27 00:08:21] j8 : some of the numbers didn't get treated as numbers...
[2016-10-27 00:08:21] sleger : rapidtrades: what was btc price when you started
[2016-10-27 00:08:23] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-10-27 00:08:32] wurstgelee : adl ofc
[2016-10-27 00:08:33] sleger : wurstgelee: no it was post adl
[2016-10-27 00:08:34] wurstgelee : not dpe
[2016-10-27 00:08:35] rapidtrades : sleger: i see ur point but it's still a lot
[2016-10-27 00:09:01] sleger : i meant post dpe, but i dont think so i think the order was eaten, it ended up at 0.24 i think
[2016-10-27 00:09:16] sleger : rapidtrades: weekly futures premium also add up
[2016-10-27 00:09:23] rapidtrades : not to 22%
[2016-10-27 00:09:31] sleger : but they dont offer 100x leverage
[2016-10-27 00:09:46] rapidtrades : irrelevant unless ur using 100x
[2016-10-27 00:10:18] sleger : no its not
[2016-10-27 00:10:41] rapidtrades : btc was $450 when swap started
[2016-10-27 00:10:43] sleger : you're trading against people who are using 100x potentially, your risk of dpe/adl is much much higher
[2016-10-27 00:11:13] rapidtrades : so if u were long since inception, u would've paid $100 in funding
[2016-10-27 00:11:15] lockhedge : rapidtrades: cap has been reduced from 1.125 to 0.375 per session, so it does not make sense to use the average since may for any prediction
[2016-10-27 00:11:36] rapidtrades : doesn't matter....it will linger in the data eventually
[2016-10-27 00:11:50] rapidtrades : just may take few sessions to kill premium
[2016-10-27 00:13:56] lockhedge : there was also a bug in my bot for several weeks which cost me around 1 btc in funding fees and probably led to an irrational rate ;)
[2016-10-27 00:14:04] rapidtrades : yeah annualized is around 50%
[2016-10-27 00:16:21] rapidtrades : ppl are playing the quaterly a lot more on okc now
[2016-10-27 00:16:42] rapidtrades : when i left weekly was usually tied, now Q has double the volume
[2016-10-27 00:18:47] billyboy402 : any one here able to help me create a google sheet with history of past funding .... so far i thought i need some thing like bellow but i dont think i am doing correctly =IMPORTDATA("https://www.bitmex.com/api/v1/funding","/fundingRate",)
[2016-10-27 00:19:44] rapidtrades : do what j8 suggested above
[2016-10-27 00:20:08] rapidtrades : u'll have to pull 5 diff docs but u'll get the data
[2016-10-27 00:22:36] billyboy402 : oh , must of been thinking the same thing , i didnt read the msg for 20 min ago
[2016-10-27 00:23:00] j8 : billyboy402: if you want an api call try `https://www.bitmex.com/api/v1/funding?symbol=XBTUSD&count=500&reverse=false`
[2016-10-27 00:23:33] sleger : i sent him 10 min ago he just ignored it
[2016-10-27 00:23:43] BitMEX_Sam : You can also add `&_format=csv` for csv
[2016-10-27 00:23:52] billyboy402 : oh great thanks mate , when i try to create one with "Try it " i didnt get any thing
[2016-10-27 00:27:22] rapidtrades : sleger: u sent one with 102 entries
[2016-10-27 00:27:26] rapidtrades : not really useful
[2016-10-27 00:27:40] billyboy402 : sorry , maybe should of check it before , i am late to the convo
[2016-10-27 00:27:49] billyboy402 : so i need to create some thing like =IMPORTRANGE("https://www.bitmex.com/api/v1/funding?symbol=XBTUSD&count=500&reverse=false",{"text":"Funding","symbol":"XBTUSD"})
[2016-10-27 00:35:11] rapidtrades : hey bitmex....how long will this Yen charade go on?
[2016-10-27 00:35:39] BitMEX_Arthur : rapidtrades: What are referring to specifically?
[2016-10-27 00:35:49] miramm1115 : BitMEX_Sam: didn't know about `format=csv`, super useful!
[2016-10-27 00:35:53] rapidtrades : give us USD or maybe Yuan...noone trades this
[2016-10-27 00:36:25] BitMEX_Sam : miramm1115: Remember the `_` :)
[2016-10-27 00:36:33] BitMEX_Sam : It's in the top notes in the explorer
[2016-10-27 00:36:42] BitMEX_Sam : We also do xml, if you hate yourself that much
[2016-10-27 00:37:01] miramm1115 : no, not that much!
[2016-10-27 00:37:01] BitMEX_Arthur : rapidtrades: We have a USD future now, `XBTZ16`
[2016-10-27 00:37:03] BitMEX_Arthur : 100x leverage
[2016-10-27 00:37:35] BitMEX_Arthur : We believe Jpy will be a major trading pair
[2016-10-27 00:37:44] rapidtrades : BitMEX_Arthur: oh thanks
[2016-10-27 00:38:03] BitMEX_Arthur : We will properly announce it in the newsletter
[2016-10-27 00:42:03] Rado : rapidtrades: you didn't know about the USD quarterly?
[2016-10-27 00:42:26] Rado : BitMEX_Arthur: that was great addition
[2016-10-27 00:42:44] Rado : now we need some ne more month so we can trade spreads
[2016-10-27 00:43:16] Rado : One more month
[2016-10-27 00:43:17] rapidtrades : Rado: no...would've preferred a quanto but i guess that battle is lost
[2016-10-27 00:43:38] Rado : Yeah
[2016-10-27 00:43:50] BitMEX_Arthur : Rado: This is a test we will see the take up of the quarterly vs. the swap
[2016-10-27 00:44:41] Rado : BitMEX_Arthur: why compare it to the swap. These are totally different instruments.
[2016-10-27 00:44:45] rapidtrades : u should compare it to the yen futures
[2016-10-27 00:44:49] BitMEX_Sam : XBTZ is in the site announcements.
[2016-10-27 00:44:58] BitMEX_Sam : You now get a nice full readout while you're logging in.
[2016-10-27 00:45:11] Rado : I trade each, but with different strategy
[2016-10-27 00:47:04] Rado : BitMEX_Arthur: I get that the business is most important and you need to make money, but having a future is not going to hurt your bottom line
[2016-10-27 00:47:25] Rado : As long as there are MMS willing to support it
[2016-10-27 00:48:43] BitMEX_Arthur : Rado: Ok well they know how to get in touch with me, if there is strong interest we will support just about anything
[2016-10-27 00:48:58] BitMEX_Arthur : But i can count the number of reliable mm on one hand in the entire world
[2016-10-27 00:49:51] Chimpindeed : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=591J9KcKgHM Dash is looking pretty good here compared to zcash so why isnt it listed?
[2016-10-27 00:50:29] BitMEX_Arthur : The trading volumes on DASH are garbage, and no one cares about DASH right now IMO
[2016-10-27 00:51:24] 99991111 : Chimpindeed: Only zcash uses zk-snarks, which were invented in 2013
[2016-10-27 00:51:50] dasdfasdf : AND zcoin
[2016-10-27 00:52:04] dasdfasdf : cause they can copy paste
[2016-10-27 00:53:23] 99991111 : zcoin doesn't conceal amounts, which is a big deal
[2016-10-27 00:53:32] Rado : BitMEX_Arthur: thanks, I am working on creating a MM bot
[2016-10-27 00:53:49] dasdfasdf : which pair
[2016-10-27 00:53:51] 99991111 : because it's usually pretty obvious if you see the exact same amount passed around that it's the same money
[2016-10-27 00:58:21] dasdfasdf : BitMEX_Arthur: Will you have longer dated for ALTS too?
[2016-10-27 01:05:00] jordanbitfort : ok bitcoin lets go already
[2016-10-27 01:05:44] mjones : looks good now bitmex. can get rid of jpy futures
[2016-10-27 01:06:39] miramm1115 : jpy futures trade more than most alts
[2016-10-27 01:11:58] BitMEX_Arthur : Right now only 7D on Alts
[2016-10-27 01:12:05] BitMEX_Arthur : jpy futures are here to stay
[2016-10-27 01:15:45] rapidtrades : BitMEX_Arthur: what was the reasoning behind making the alts both swap and futures
[2016-10-27 01:16:34] BitMEX_Arthur : They aren't both, the swaps will expire and be replaced with 7D futures
[2016-10-27 01:17:00] sleger : I want 30d futures not 7d on alts and eth and so do most traders
[2016-10-27 01:17:01] BitMEX_Arthur : People don't want to pay funding, so they will pay for it with very high premiums and discounts, if that makes them feel better we are all for it
[2016-10-27 01:17:08] BitMEX_Arthur : That's fine atm not happening
[2016-10-27 01:17:11] BitMEX_Arthur : We hear you
[2016-10-27 01:17:24] BitMEX_Arthur : When we have mm wiling to quote 30d reliably we will think about it
[2016-10-27 01:17:50] sleger : So MM dont want 30d futures even on eth?
[2016-10-27 01:18:39] BitMEX_Arthur : sleger: No one i believe will actually be there 24/7 in size
[2016-10-27 01:18:58] sleger : Main problem with 7d is rolling
[2016-10-27 01:19:03] BitMEX_Arthur : The benefit of 7d is your capital isn't locked up in a hedge for 30d
[2016-10-27 01:19:18] BitMEX_Arthur : So a question of how much money are you comfortable holding on polo mostly
[2016-10-27 01:19:35] sleger : Has to be there every week at the right time, and if positiin is large it takes a while to do so there is market risj
[2016-10-27 01:19:53] BitMEX_Arthur : just throw it in a twap algo
[2016-10-27 01:19:59] BitMEX_Arthur : not that difficult the match the settlement
[2016-10-27 01:20:22] sleger : If there was a way to roll futures to next 7d then inwouldnt mind as much
[2016-10-27 01:20:49] sleger : I dont want to arb just keep a position open for however long i choose
[2016-10-27 01:22:43] rapidtrades : PBOC sets USD/CNY mid-point today at 6.7736 (vs. yesterday at 6.7705)
[2016-10-27 01:22:56] sleger : Roll would be perfect, listing a new 7d one day priori would be doable
[2016-10-27 01:24:40] rapidtrades : here we go again...this place is like groundhog day
[2016-10-27 01:26:07] rapidtrades : keeping a position is usually cheaper on longer dated futures
[2016-10-27 01:26:29] rapidtrades : i can see why sleger wants one
[2016-10-27 01:27:15] dasdfasdf : maybe not with the premiums required to manage counterparty risk at polo
[2016-10-27 01:27:27] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 30000 @ 679.88 **MEGA-REKT** :boom:
[2016-10-27 01:28:18] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 320 @ 680.42
[2016-10-27 02:12:24] aethlios : uptrend just born
[2016-10-27 02:12:34] aethlios : 1200 this time.
[2016-10-27 02:14:42] aethlios : go go trump, send us to 1200
[2016-10-27 02:15:06] jordanbitfort : aethlios: uptrend born now? what trendlines are you looking at?
[2016-10-27 02:20:33] aethlios : https://www.tradingview.com/x/uMt6T4yB/
[2016-10-27 02:28:14] jordanbitfort : looks pretty legit
[2016-10-27 02:28:37] aethlios : real bull market starts above 1200
[2016-10-27 02:34:05] aethlios : last 3 years we try to recapture old ATH.
[2016-10-27 02:34:34] aethlios : also ltcusd looks bullish for me.
[2016-10-27 02:36:29] aethlios : https://www.tradingview.com/x/hUlCvfLi/
[2016-10-27 02:48:04] jordanbitfort : i doubt ltcusd will be truly bullish ever again. it has no use case
[2016-10-27 02:54:58] Rado : jordanbitfort: agreed
[2016-10-27 03:06:29] martinium : jordanbitfort: your nick is fucking hilarious
[2016-10-27 03:06:32] martinium : love it
[2016-10-27 03:06:40] Rado : XBTZ16 volume already higher than XBJZ16 volume
[2016-10-27 03:06:52] martinium : is friggin* not gently carress
[2016-10-27 03:06:54] martinium : lmao
[2016-10-27 03:07:33] jordanbitfort : dat autocorrect lol.
[2016-10-27 03:07:47] jordanbitfort : how much leverage would jordan use right now on xbt
[2016-10-27 03:08:18] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 40000 @ 682.97 **MEGA-REKT** :boom:
[2016-10-27 03:11:37] martinium : shorts got too cocky
[2016-10-27 03:11:45] martinium : collecting the funding
[2016-10-27 03:11:48] martinium : :-p
[2016-10-27 03:12:00] Rado : not much funding to collect right now
[2016-10-27 03:13:43] Rado : BitMEX_Arthur: so the 40000 REKT was immediately deleveraged by selling longs and covering the liquidation?
[2016-10-27 03:13:48] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 25 @ 683.13
[2016-10-27 03:16:35] Rado : BitMEX_Sam: are you here?
[2016-10-27 03:16:36] lockhedge : Rado: seems that it has been fully executed against the order book at 04:08:28, no ADL
[2016-10-27 03:16:49] lockhedge : UTC
[2016-10-27 03:16:56] aethlios : xbtz16 will reduce premium for swap
[2016-10-27 03:17:06] Rado : lockhedge: so there were longs that bought the liquidation?
[2016-10-27 03:17:18] j8 : Rado: there's 0.5% maintenance margin so it can get pushed ~$3.40 into the book
[2016-10-27 03:17:26] j8 : plus possibly insurance fund
[2016-10-27 03:17:53] Rado : j8: what I am wondering is if I can see the matching trades against that 40000
[2016-10-27 03:18:25] martinium : BitMEX_Arthur: @BitMEX_Sam keep up the great work guys. This is already becoming best place to trade/speculate on xbt/btc and most liquid of alts.
[2016-10-27 03:18:49] Rado : martinium: speculation is for gamblers man
[2016-10-27 03:18:55] Rado : we are traders ;-)
[2016-10-27 03:19:06] martinium : traders=speculators
[2016-10-27 03:19:12] Rado : martinium: noooo
[2016-10-27 03:19:19] Rado : not even close
[2016-10-27 03:19:30] martinium : we take educated guesses regarding price direection
[2016-10-27 03:19:40] martinium : so that is in itself speculating
[2016-10-27 03:20:01] Rado : that definition is similar to speculation
[2016-10-27 03:20:12] Rado : what I understand as trading is way different
[2016-10-27 03:20:14] martinium : in some circles speculators apply only to uber whales
[2016-10-27 03:20:30] martinium : smaller speculators are just traders exploiting price movements
[2016-10-27 03:20:40] Rado : first the goal is always to make money
[2016-10-27 03:20:45] martinium : but the definition is applied loosely
[2016-10-27 03:20:55] Rado : that means you are forced to preserve capital and manage risk
[2016-10-27 03:21:03] Rado : if you do that it's no longer speculation
[2016-10-27 03:21:45] martinium : Rado: have you read reminiscences of a stock operator
[2016-10-27 03:22:00] martinium : usually in old school market speak all traders are speculators
[2016-10-27 03:22:08] martinium : we sure as heck aren't "investors"
[2016-10-27 03:22:24] martinium : thats usually applied to buy n hodlers
[2016-10-27 03:22:38] Rado : you don't have to be an investor to make money
[2016-10-27 03:22:44] martinium : hodlers spelled that way purposely ;)
[2016-10-27 03:22:54] Rado : lol
[2016-10-27 03:23:05] Rado : investor = bag holder
[2016-10-27 03:24:02] martinium : yeah in crypto speak
[2016-10-27 03:24:03] Rado : OK I am making a call of a $10 correction from 684
[2016-10-27 03:24:11] Rado : :-)
[2016-10-27 03:24:40] Rado : stop 688
[2016-10-27 03:25:03] martinium : Rado: you are speculating that price will drop from 684 to 674
[2016-10-27 03:25:10] martinium : see what I did there
[2016-10-27 03:25:11] martinium : :-p
[2016-10-27 03:25:12] Rado : ha ha
[2016-10-27 03:25:43] martinium : be not ashamed of your title
[2016-10-27 03:25:43] Rado : risking $4 to make $10
[2016-10-27 03:25:47] martinium : wear it with pride
[2016-10-27 03:25:50] Rado : 2.5 risk/reward
[2016-10-27 03:27:26] j8 : china is on its 10th green 2-hour candle. always sell on the eleventh, right
[2016-10-27 03:27:40] martinium : there is no always
[2016-10-27 03:27:53] martinium : past is never indicative of future
[2016-10-27 03:27:56] Rado : j8: he he, nice
[2016-10-27 03:28:00] martinium : shit can change
[2016-10-27 03:28:16] Rado : martinium: he was kidding
[2016-10-27 03:28:35] martinium : cool I had a few beers in me so don't mind me
[2016-10-27 03:28:40] martinium : hehe
[2016-10-27 03:29:09] j8 : i would say the same thing if it was 7, or 13
[2016-10-27 03:30:41] martinium : anyone know what time the zcash launh will be?
[2016-10-27 03:30:47] martinium : launch*
[2016-10-27 03:30:55] Rado : no idea
[2016-10-27 03:31:05] Rado : set alert on the price and you will know
[2016-10-27 03:32:59] j8 : just sell one contract, and bitmex will e-mail you when you're liquidated
[2016-10-27 03:33:16] Rado : lol
[2016-10-27 03:33:28] martinium : lol
[2016-10-27 03:33:32] martinium : so true
[2016-10-27 04:27:51] aethlios : monero correction to end soon. 0.0075-0.009 a buy zone.
[2016-10-27 04:41:25] zanza : so what does trollbox think about Bigger Block size vs SegWit ?
[2016-10-27 04:42:42] j8 : do both
[2016-10-27 04:43:15] j8 : and everyone stop complaining
[2016-10-27 04:47:09] maker101 : Segwit - avoid hard fork and last until lightning network is ready
[2016-10-27 04:56:32] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTZ16`: Sell 2000 @ 712.36
[2016-10-27 04:57:03] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 2050 @ 682.23
[2016-10-27 05:11:38] bitman007 : hi
[2016-10-27 06:17:17] blue23 : hi
[2016-10-27 06:35:32] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC7D`: Sell 1000 @ 0.001499
[2016-10-27 07:04:07] REKT : Liquidated long on `XRP7D`: Sell 137 @ 0.00001229
[2016-10-27 07:07:35] REKT : Liquidated long on `XRP7D`: Sell 12552 @ 0.00001223
[2016-10-27 07:10:20] wurstgelee : did i say thanks for adding xbtz16 yet?
[2016-10-27 07:10:26] wurstgelee : if not: thank you! :)
[2016-10-27 08:42:44] jung1 : zcash wtf
[2016-10-27 08:47:52] wurstgelee : no wtf
[2016-10-27 08:48:03] wurstgelee : as expected ;)
[2016-10-27 08:49:21] micmix : zcash still so cheap here
[2016-10-27 08:50:11] wurstgelee : .5 within 24h ;)
[2016-10-27 08:50:54] micmix : I'm selling around 2.5-4
[2016-10-27 08:51:24] jung1 : 2.5-4 bitcoins?
[2016-10-27 08:52:18] micmix : price for 1 zcash = 2.5-4 bitcoins
[2016-10-27 08:52:34] YevhenMuza : If you invest only your own money, BUYER can earn 10x profit and has no liq. price and seller have high risk with limited potential profit, low liquidity, which buyers can use to disqualify sellers and abcent of base asset did such price
[2016-10-27 08:52:38] wurstgelee : seems like a good target
[2016-10-27 08:52:40] jung1 : too much optimistic
[2016-10-27 08:52:44] wurstgelee : unless ADL'ed out of position first
[2016-10-27 08:52:53] habibi : YevhenMuza: so don't fuckin short
[2016-10-27 08:53:02] jung1 : there will be also 21mil
[2016-10-27 08:53:09] habibi : risk reward is most important thing for many traders
[2016-10-27 08:53:22] jung1 : imo its possible that there will be 1:1 rate
[2016-10-27 08:53:27] wurstgelee : jung1: nobody cares. how much will there be after 1 week? 1 month?
[2016-10-27 08:53:31] wurstgelee : thats what counts for early pump
[2016-10-27 08:53:48] wurstgelee : 1:1 is around the corner =)
[2016-10-27 08:54:56] micmix : very limited supply, so spot will be bought up to 2-5. all shorts here will be liquidated and it will be a good place to open short
[2016-10-27 08:55:50] jung1 : its already over 1300% here
[2016-10-27 08:55:51] YevhenMuza : It's obvious, that the price of ZEC will be around 0.1 in a month, but liquidation it's enormous risk to get shorted, that's why buyers made 0.4
[2016-10-27 08:55:58] jung1 : from a low of $18 (0.027 BTC) on 15th September to a high of $261 (0.379 BTC) as of yesterday, a change that represents an increase of nearly 1,300%.
[2016-10-27 08:56:25] jung1 : live long blockchain hype
[2016-10-27 08:56:31] micmix : I bought up from 0.027 to around 0.040 when it was listed
[2016-10-27 08:56:53] YevhenMuza : It's enough 100 BTC to kill all shorters, it's an easy play, if the market was more liquid
[2016-10-27 08:56:57] habibi : micmix: hey, u didnt got adled in the meanwhile?
[2016-10-27 08:57:05] micmix : I already sold
[2016-10-27 08:57:17] micmix : way early
[2016-10-27 08:58:02] micmix : was going on vacation, didn't want to leave position open for 3 weeks without managing it
[2016-10-27 08:58:19] wurstgelee : my 1st position averaged at ~ .06something
[2016-10-27 08:58:21] wurstgelee : got ADL'ed
[2016-10-27 08:58:22] wurstgelee : :/
[2016-10-27 08:58:28] wurstgelee : eropened shortly after tho
[2016-10-27 08:58:38] wurstgelee : *re
[2016-10-27 09:01:26] micmix : I was telling 1 zcash will be 1 btc when the contract was just listed, people wouldn't believe :-)
[2016-10-27 09:01:50] wurstgelee : i know
[2016-10-27 09:01:55] wurstgelee : same experience ;)
[2016-10-27 09:02:59] micmix : will see what happens to spot, don't want to miss good short entry
[2016-10-27 09:03:48] wurstgelee : anything above or close to 1btc should be good if your have enough margin and are willing to sit it out.
[2016-10-27 09:03:54] wurstgelee : higher would be better tho ;)
[2016-10-27 09:05:07] wurstgelee : also my left ball just ordered me to close all btc longs. i listened because it was right a lot in the last times
[2016-10-27 09:05:17] wurstgelee : *days
[2016-10-27 09:09:13] DangerandPlay : anyone else expecting a huge drop in ETH with miners switching to zcash, at least temporarily? I think it might go down to around 0.011 or even 0.010
[2016-10-27 09:09:24] DangerandPlay : seems a good short
[2016-10-27 09:10:22] wurstgelee : doesnt sound dumb imo
[2016-10-27 09:10:45] wurstgelee : not sure about .0011 or even lower but hash moving to zcash is more than likely
[2016-10-27 09:10:55] wurstgelee : .011
[2016-10-27 09:13:08] maker101 : so who has been longing bitcoin? and are you still longing lol?
[2016-10-27 09:30:07] habibi : few major farms from eth are definitely moving to zcash
[2016-10-27 09:57:12] REKT : Liquidated short on `ZECZ16`: Buy 5 @ 0.412063
[2016-10-27 10:15:52] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC7D`: Sell 631 @ 0.001474
[2016-10-27 10:36:46] Smartass : what is the fastest way to deposit from poloniex to bitmex
[2016-10-27 10:37:27] Smartass : can put the walletaddress from bitmex into cashout address of Poloni or is this not recommended
[2016-10-27 10:38:35] Smartass : Somebody? Really want to do this now
[2016-10-27 10:40:27] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBJ24H`: Sell 150 @ 72104
[2016-10-27 10:41:46] habibi : Smartass: yes u can
[2016-10-27 10:42:57] Smartass : so no hassles because some exchanges explicitly war about that....
[2016-10-27 10:43:45] Smartass : And how is first cashout at bitmex (i mean in btc) do i have to verify anything or so when i want to withdraw my btc again?
[2016-10-27 10:43:59] habibi : no KYC here
[2016-10-27 10:48:07] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC7D`: Sell 2045 @ 0.001471
[2016-10-27 10:48:59] maker101 : Smartass: n withdrawals only processed in bulk once a day
[2016-10-27 10:49:12] maker101 : 13:00 UTC i think
[2016-10-27 10:50:15] justinlooking : Smartass: yes u have to confirm by email
[2016-10-27 10:53:27] Smartass : maker101: @justinlooking thx for input
[2016-10-27 11:20:57] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 50 @ 680.53
[2016-10-27 11:41:48] Shenol : what is the point in buying bitcoin futures contranc instead of buying bitcoins?
[2016-10-27 11:42:29] justinlooking : leverage
[2016-10-27 11:44:26] Shenol : just leverage? than you have a price which is significantly higher than market price, so if you hold e.g. xbtz16 you will be losing 40 dollars in 2 months?
[2016-10-27 11:45:41] sleger : you can sell and earn 40$
[2016-10-27 12:01:06] justinlooking : during last fomo i remember high ticking u16 way over $1000
[2016-10-27 12:01:15] justinlooking : was trying to get rapid stopped out
[2016-10-27 12:03:17] REKT : Liquidated short on `ZECZ16`: Buy 3 @ 0.423568
[2016-10-27 12:09:58] rapidtrades : justinlooking: and failed :)
[2016-10-27 12:12:32] REKT : Liquidated short on `ZECZ16`: Buy 14 @ 0.437237
[2016-10-27 12:13:08] REKT : Liquidated short on `ZECZ16`: Buy 1 @ 0.457889
[2016-10-27 12:13:08] REKT : Liquidated short on `ZECZ16`: Buy 38 @ 0.451715
[2016-10-27 12:13:52] REKT : Liquidated short on `ZECZ16`: Buy 5 @ 0.473579
[2016-10-27 12:13:52] REKT : Liquidated short on `ZECZ16`: Buy 3 @ 0.477107
[2016-10-27 12:14:23] dasdfasdf : rekt
[2016-10-27 12:14:23] wurstgelee : lolz
[2016-10-27 12:15:10] dasdfasdf : up to 800 users
[2016-10-27 12:16:13] wurstgelee : session-maxprice reached
[2016-10-27 12:16:16] wurstgelee : .522
[2016-10-27 12:16:20] wurstgelee : that took 16 mins ;)
[2016-10-27 12:26:06] poes : .522 thats crazy
[2016-10-27 12:27:08] k0d3 : 1 btc soon
[2016-10-27 12:27:18] k0d3 : delevarage soon
[2016-10-27 12:27:19] k0d3 : lol
[2016-10-27 12:29:18] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 6000 @ 679.08
[2016-10-27 12:34:43] Smartass : why can't i buy
[2016-10-27 12:34:54] poes : rofl
[2016-10-27 12:35:20] Smartass : i click on buy my deposit is higher than needed, but it doesn' execute the order???
[2016-10-27 12:35:47] poes : what are you buying?
[2016-10-27 12:37:17] REKT : Liquidated short on `ZECZ16`: Buy 1 @ 0.522502
[2016-10-27 12:37:17] Smartass : zec dec future
[2016-10-27 12:37:19] wurstgelee : Smartass: u cant buy zcash above .522 atm
[2016-10-27 12:37:34] wurstgelee : limit up price is .522something for this session
[2016-10-27 12:37:52] Smartass : ah limit up is reached....
[2016-10-27 12:38:00] wurstgelee : zec currently has limits in place to prevent manipulation as long as its not marked to some spot exchange
[2016-10-27 12:38:01] Smartass : when is limit resetted?
[2016-10-27 12:38:08] wurstgelee : each 8 h
[2016-10-27 12:38:19] wurstgelee : so in 7:22 h again
[2016-10-27 12:38:20] Smartass : ok but when is that utc
[2016-10-27 12:38:41] wurstgelee : in 7:22h ...whatever that is in utc
[2016-10-27 12:38:50] Smartass : o.k get it
[2016-10-27 12:39:02] Smartass : thx a lot
[2016-10-27 12:43:11] wurstgelee : np
[2016-10-27 12:48:41] zfan : what would be the new limits for zec? how are they computed?
[2016-10-27 12:55:10] Bacon futures trader : lol that Zcash pump
[2016-10-27 13:02:07] 99991111 : (1+limit) * prevClose is the new limit. What is limit?
[2016-10-27 13:02:28] 99991111 : wtf are people doing on the short side of ZEC?
[2016-10-27 13:04:51] laisee : gambing
[2016-10-27 13:05:03] laisee : gambling ...
[2016-10-27 13:08:16] zfan : 99991111: i think limit is 0.25, prevclose is 0.418
[2016-10-27 13:10:53] uwotmate : u wot mate
[2016-10-27 13:11:06] Gemz : how many zcash will there be after 1 months?
[2016-10-27 13:11:17] uwotmate : same emission curve as BTC
[2016-10-27 13:11:27] Gemz : no its slow start
[2016-10-27 13:11:28] sleger : 428
[2016-10-27 13:11:32] uwotmate : except first month is slower
[2016-10-27 13:11:43] Gemz : how many after 1 month tho
[2016-10-27 13:12:54] laisee : 168
[2016-10-27 13:13:06] Gemz : 168 zcash after 1 month?
[2016-10-27 13:13:14] Gemz : no way dude
[2016-10-27 13:13:25] laisee : yes, way.
[2016-10-27 13:13:48] Gemz : dumb troll
[2016-10-27 13:14:54] sleger : '428
[2016-10-27 13:14:59] laisee : I' way long and trying to drive the price up through mass hysteria
[2016-10-27 13:15:44] Gemz : 428 is wrong aswell, it will be 0 to 12.5 per 2.5 min how can it be 428 zec mined until the end of months
[2016-10-27 13:17:37] laisee : maybe nobody here trades on fundamentals ...
[2016-10-27 13:18:13] martinium : 230400 ZEC should be out in the wild after 32 days
[2016-10-27 13:18:22] martinium : but
[2016-10-27 13:18:36] martinium : diff will increase so that will slow down to probably less than half that
[2016-10-27 13:19:00] laisee : also subtract 20% genius tax for the developers
[2016-10-27 13:19:14] martinium : the 20% still counts as coin created
[2016-10-27 13:19:17] Gemz : so around 100k zec after a month?
[2016-10-27 13:19:19] sleger : Gemz: because we are already the 27th of the month
[2016-10-27 13:19:57] martinium : Gemz: really depends on if hash power keeps increasing to offset difficulty
[2016-10-27 13:20:01] laisee : then next month will be better for supply /s
[2016-10-27 13:20:14] Shenol : zec is way overpriced, stay away unless you know what you are doing
[2016-10-27 13:20:22] Gemz : its not overpriced
[2016-10-27 13:20:29] Shenol : oh really
[2016-10-27 13:20:40] sleger : how can it be overprices, the price is even less than 1 lolololololololol
[2016-10-27 13:20:41] Shenol : it's half the price of a bitcoin
[2016-10-27 13:20:57] sleger : 1 is the smallest number ever found dude !!
[2016-10-27 13:21:03] Shenol : do you really believe a just starting coin will cost 350 dollars?
[2016-10-27 13:21:05] Gemz : so what 42 coin was multiple bitcoins per 42 coin
[2016-10-27 13:21:10] Gemz : there will be very few zec
[2016-10-27 13:21:48] laisee : 428 in 1st month ...
[2016-10-27 13:21:55] Shenol : there will be enough in the long term
[2016-10-27 13:21:58] justinlooking : pretty sure it's 17
[2016-10-27 13:22:04] uwotmate : if you can read cpp, then the slow start code is on line 1375 here: https://github.com/zcash/zcash/blob/master/src/main.cpp
[2016-10-27 13:22:09] laisee : 168 sounds better
[2016-10-27 13:22:46] sleger : 5000 lines in a cpp file, ok, these guys cant even code properly
[2016-10-27 13:22:49] Gemz : lets say 150k zec will be out there after a month and each zec would be 1 btc ($700) then zcash marketcap would be just 100M which is pretty low even looking at the attention zcash is getting
[2016-10-27 13:22:51] laisee : given it's an anonymous coin we might never know the coin supply?
[2016-10-27 13:23:48] sleger : Gemz: yes, and the fact that we know today that 21m coins will be mined is totally irrelevant, im with you
[2016-10-27 13:23:51] Smartass : what happens with orders in the orderbook which are entered before the reset of limit up (talking about zecz16)
[2016-10-27 13:24:18] Smartass : lets say limit 0.53 before tonights reset
[2016-10-27 13:24:23] wurstgelee : tey stay there but cant be filled if out of range
[2016-10-27 13:24:27] wurstgelee : *they
[2016-10-27 13:24:33] justinlooking : u being facetious sleger?
[2016-10-27 13:24:41] justinlooking : 5k lines for a main cpp is not unusual in big projects
[2016-10-27 13:24:50] sleger : justinlooking: really ?
[2016-10-27 13:24:53] rapidtrades : Just curious, is ur impulse control so bad that you have to speculate on a coin that's not even out yet?
[2016-10-27 13:24:57] justinlooking : fo shizzle
[2016-10-27 13:24:57] Smartass : @wurstgele that means my 2 Order which could not be filled are still in book?
[2016-10-27 13:25:16] Smartass : i clicked twice because i thought its an error
[2016-10-27 13:25:44] laisee : rapidtrades: all just degen gamblerz here ...
[2016-10-27 13:26:01] wurstgelee : nope. u are trying to execute an order which is out of bounds - probably to the upside.
[2016-10-27 13:26:07] wurstgelee : u cant enter buy orders above .522 atm
[2016-10-27 13:26:19] justinlooking : 897 users wtf
[2016-10-27 13:26:28] wurstgelee : you could enter buy orders below lowerLimit. but not above upperLiimit
[2016-10-27 13:26:35] rapidtrades : yeah this place is getting popular
[2016-10-27 13:26:40] wurstgelee : and vice versa
[2016-10-27 13:26:52] Smartass : wurstgelee: would make sense it was supposed to be a merket order
[2016-10-27 13:26:52] wurstgelee : anyways, off for now, going home. bbl
[2016-10-27 13:26:55] justinlooking : or arthur's struck a deal with a benghali click farm lol
[2016-10-27 13:26:59] justinlooking : laters wurst\
[2016-10-27 13:27:08] Smartass : till later wurst
[2016-10-27 13:27:28] laisee : benghali clck farm == back office
[2016-10-27 13:27:31] uwotmate : Where is bitmex going to get the ZEC in order to back the contracts?
[2016-10-27 13:28:00] laisee : uwotmate: no physical delivery here. rtfm
[2016-10-27 13:28:01] sleger : they set up lots of miners
[2016-10-27 13:28:04] rapidtrades : nothing's backed here
[2016-10-27 13:28:05] justinlooking : uwotmate: they ain't deliverable futures. like most futures
[2016-10-27 13:28:06] BitMEX_Greg : uwotmate: ZEC is a derivative, all contracts are "cash" settled in Bitcoin
[2016-10-27 13:28:42] Smartass : uwotmate: cash settlement= no zec
[2016-10-27 13:28:50] Smartass : BitMEX_Greg: you were first...
[2016-10-27 13:28:55] uwotmate : u wot mate?
[2016-10-27 13:29:05] laisee : customer support on top form tionight ...
[2016-10-27 13:29:24] Gemz : BitMEX_Greg: if i want to buy from the sell orderbook does my 'place order' need to be still limit?
[2016-10-27 13:30:08] justinlooking : Gemz: doesn't need to be, but can be
[2016-10-27 13:30:24] Gemz : where dop i deposit btc lol
[2016-10-27 13:30:25] uwotmate : so there is no arbitrage mechanism between these futures contracts and the exchanges which will be trading "physical" zec