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[2016-10-11 04:29:05] rapidtrades : PBOC sets USD/CNY central rate at 6.7098 (vs. yesterday at 6.7008
[2016-10-11 04:29:31] Rado : Hello from Las Vegas
[2016-10-11 04:30:00] Rado : My Dec futures feel very lucky right now :)
[2016-10-11 04:30:25] Rado : Why the rise?
[2016-10-11 04:30:41] Rado : I haven't follow anything today
[2016-10-11 04:31:11] Rado : rapidtrades: what's the scoop?
[2016-10-11 04:31:54] rapidtrades : prolly PBOC
[2016-10-11 04:33:02] REKT : Liquidated long on `REP7D`: Sell 3538 @ 0.010169
[2016-10-11 04:33:07] REKT : Liquidated long on `REP7D`: Sell 30 @ 0.010055
[2016-10-11 04:33:07] REKT : Liquidated long on `REP7D`: Sell 2091 @ 0.010068
[2016-10-11 04:33:07] REKT : Liquidated long on `REP7D`: Sell 1845 @ 0.010103
[2016-10-11 04:33:21] laisee : Bitcoin CEO offering bullish views on markets and profit.
[2016-10-11 04:33:24] Rado : K
[2016-10-11 04:33:49] Rado : Bitcoin CEO?
[2016-10-11 04:35:26] laisee : yep.
[2016-10-11 04:36:02] Rado : Who is that?
[2016-10-11 04:37:55] laisee : Mr Karpeles, now retired.
[2016-10-11 04:43:21] REKT : Liquidated long on `REP7D`: Sell 170 @ 0.009359
[2016-10-11 04:43:59] Rado : Whatever it is, I like it
[2016-10-11 04:49:22] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC7D`: Sell 1 @ 0.001824
[2016-10-11 04:58:34] REKT : Liquidated long on `XRP7D`: Sell 500000 @ 0.00001272
[2016-10-11 05:09:35] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETHXBT`: Buy 473 @ 0.01908
[2016-10-11 05:35:00] iisss : what happens to existing positions if you change the leverage ?
[2016-10-11 05:35:36] jose : their margin is updated to new leverage
[2016-10-11 05:36:13] iisss : does that affect the p/l of the position ?
[2016-10-11 05:36:47] jose : just the ROE
[2016-10-11 06:31:34] rapidtrades : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFGiZT-MnI4
[2016-10-11 06:33:05] j8 : just a little fascism, no big deal
[2016-10-11 06:34:05] rapidtrades : or as we like to call it, law and order
[2016-10-11 06:35:52] laisee : and trains that run on time. all good.
[2016-10-11 09:39:32] zanza : ViaBTC announcement
[2016-10-11 09:43:14] Kalman : what does it say?
[2016-10-11 10:00:28] zanza : they are blocking SegWit for now
[2016-10-11 10:02:02] RocketScience : Chandler Guo: Revolution revolution revolution
[2016-10-11 10:02:23] RocketScience : watch out for btc move
[2016-10-11 10:06:22] habibi : link?
[2016-10-11 10:11:39] BTCDJS : not blocking. just allocating all their hash power to Bitcoin Unlimited
[2016-10-11 10:12:07] BTCDJS : their 5th largest miner
[2016-10-11 10:12:15] BTCDJS : they are
[2016-10-11 10:12:21] RocketScience : https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/56wqro/bitcoin_core_hash_rate_now_below_90_for_the_first/
[2016-10-11 10:12:40] RocketScience : 95% is needed for segwit soft fork
[2016-10-11 10:31:29] zanza : personally I hope SegWit fails, seems needlesly convoluteed
[2016-10-11 10:32:44] rapidtrades : https://www.reddit.com/r/BitcoinMarkets/comments/56ulqk/bitfinex_now_locking_funds_demanding_amlkyc/
[2016-10-11 10:32:54] rapidtrades : https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/56t9d4/bitfinex_has_frozen_my_unverified_cryptotrading/
[2016-10-11 10:38:06] BTCDJS : rapidtrades: just ask them nicely to give you your money back. Those bfs tokens are going to be worth thousands one day. HODL
[2016-10-11 10:38:18] BTCDJS : BFX*
[2016-10-11 10:39:33] RocketScience : Does liquidation happen when you hit mark price or onderlying asset price?
[2016-10-11 10:39:54] RocketScience : on futures
[2016-10-11 10:39:56] habibi : mark price
[2016-10-11 10:41:27] Tetsuo : lol, withdraw blocking and demanding KYCAML, total Gox style
[2016-10-11 10:47:36] habibi : lol u guys are paranoid
[2016-10-11 10:55:24] rapidtrades : habibi: found the token holder
[2016-10-11 11:01:34] rapidtrades : I bailed on btc-e too....3/1 leverage is not enough for the risk imo
[2016-10-11 11:01:58] rapidtrades : plus the started charging interest rates few months ago with no warning
[2016-10-11 11:03:35] habibi : yep, this is the best part. u have been spamming chat for months about how bad bitfinex treated u with theirs solution, and u only mentioned once that u got rekt on btce coz their faults, no private investigation, no suing them...
[2016-10-11 11:04:05] rapidtrades : i lost $30...cos of their mistake
[2016-10-11 11:04:17] rapidtrades : and i withdrew my funds...what more do u want troll
[2016-10-11 11:04:59] rapidtrades : they didn't wreck ppl...the executions happened close to market...just the bids/asks were funky and caused liqs
[2016-10-11 11:05:10] habibi : u have law degree, u know what to do :) how much u lost on bitfinex taking actual price of tokens ? 200$ maybe?
[2016-10-11 11:05:45] rapidtrades : doesn't matter
[2016-10-11 11:06:06] habibi : ye, then doesn't matter as well in btce case.
[2016-10-11 11:06:32] rapidtrades : u want me to sue over $30? lol
[2016-10-11 11:06:55] rapidtrades : a technical glitch ain't the same thing as a dishonest behavior
[2016-10-11 11:07:01] habibi : i want u to stop talking about imaginary actions u would take if... just do sth and stop crying here
[2016-10-11 11:07:15] rapidtrades : u started the convo idiot
[2016-10-11 11:07:23] habibi : lol of course i did
[2016-10-11 11:07:31] rapidtrades : 13:03 - habibi: yep, this is the best part. u have been spamming chat for months about how bad bitfinex treated u with theirs solution, and u only mentioned once that u got rekt on btce coz their faults, no private investigation, no suing them...
[2016-10-11 11:07:35] habibi : didn't want to see another big monoloque of urs
[2016-10-11 11:07:56] rapidtrades : wow ur an ass
[2016-10-11 11:08:04] rapidtrades : no wonder hitler had it in for u guys
[2016-10-11 11:08:41] habibi : u won, again :)
[2016-10-11 11:10:52] laisee : isn't everyone happy with rising market? seems like no.
[2016-10-11 11:11:21] rapidtrades : looks like the jew above missed the boat
[2016-10-11 11:11:30] rapidtrades : seems quite miserable
[2016-10-11 11:11:34] daveberns1 : damn, i actually kinda miss quantos
[2016-10-11 11:11:53] rapidtrades : we all miss quantos....dunno what they were thinking
[2016-10-11 11:12:00] rapidtrades : it's the most requested contract
[2016-10-11 11:12:22] rapidtrades : that's why i came here in the first place
[2016-10-11 11:12:36] daveberns1 : wow, low funding rate on that perpetual currently
[2016-10-11 11:12:39] daveberns1 : so random
[2016-10-11 11:13:12] rapidtrades : 0.08% still seems kinda high if ur long :)
[2016-10-11 11:13:33] BitMEX_Wally : Everyone was interested in going long the quantos, but no market maker was interested in going short...
[2016-10-11 11:13:57] rapidtrades : BitMEX_Wally: i never went long on the long-term ones
[2016-10-11 11:14:01] daveberns1 : im just looking at mark to index, so i guess that would be related to the next funding
[2016-10-11 11:14:13] rapidtrades : pretty sure sleger was systematically selling them too
[2016-10-11 11:14:18] rapidtrades : most of the time
[2016-10-11 11:19:39] rapidtrades : Yuan 6.7275...prolly fueling this move higher
[2016-10-11 11:31:05] daveberns1 : Ahhh the good ole RMB
[2016-10-11 11:37:09] rapidtrades : discount
[2016-10-11 11:37:10] RocketScience : as a chinese central banker i would frontrun the devaluation and go 100x bitcoin :D
[2016-10-11 11:37:51] rapidtrades : im not that would be a profitable move :)
[2016-10-11 11:39:05] rapidtrades : i forgot this >>>> sure
[2016-10-11 12:17:26] subjective : When are we going to settle PNL today on XBTUSD market?
[2016-10-11 12:18:02] RocketScience : never
[2016-10-11 12:18:34] RocketScience : you have to sell (to realize profits) and then you can buy more
[2016-10-11 12:20:01] RocketScience : someone confirm..
[2016-10-11 12:20:42] rapidtrades : i confirm
[2016-10-11 12:21:11] BitMEX_Wally : Yes, now we have moved from DPE to ADL, we got rid of withheld profit, so no need for rebalancing
[2016-10-11 12:21:24] rapidtrades : only the funding fees change hands
[2016-10-11 12:21:53] BitMEX_Wally : Yes, the funding fees, and realised PNL is released to your wallet immediately. Then unrealised PNL stays unrealised until you exit the position
[2016-10-11 12:22:24] RocketScience : I pray for QE infinity in Japan .> yen goes lower, btc denominated in yen goes higher :)
[2016-10-11 12:23:03] RocketScience : i thought about how btc/jpy pair is dependent on forex
[2016-10-11 12:23:55] RocketScience : because we could say bitcoin is denominated in dollars and yuan. So if JPY devalues against these two, the btc price in jpy rises
[2016-10-11 12:29:14] rapidtrades : Yen is up 17% this year
[2016-10-11 12:29:22] rapidtrades : so gl with that
[2016-10-11 12:30:55] aethlios : if bitfinex collects 35 mill. they will be able to redeem all remaining bfx coins (half will remain).
[2016-10-11 12:32:29] Kalman : they dont get cash!!
[2016-10-11 12:32:49] Kalman : its just accounting debt -> equity
[2016-10-11 12:33:02] rapidtrades : yeah aethlios is a bit slow
[2016-10-11 12:33:17] Kalman : future cash flows might pay BFX
[2016-10-11 12:35:54] rapidtrades : I'm sure bitfinex executives will use their profits to pay token holders
[2016-10-11 12:37:05] laisee : Wish you'd bought the debt at 30 cents
[2016-10-11 12:37:38] RocketScience : btc moving in china
[2016-10-11 12:37:57] rapidtrades : laisee: not rly, that would've been stupid
[2016-10-11 12:40:46] rapidtrades : there's not gonna be much profit once the CFTC slaps them a fine
[2016-10-11 12:40:59] rapidtrades : plus the lawsuits
[2016-10-11 12:42:01] rapidtrades : And they can't go full btc-e rouge cos we know who they are plus most live in America LOL
[2016-10-11 12:51:07] REKT : Liquidated long on `XRP7D`: Sell 1975000 @ 0.00001237
[2016-10-11 12:51:07] REKT : Liquidated long on `XRP7D`: Sell 1150000 @ 0.00001238
[2016-10-11 12:52:02] REKT : Liquidated long on `XRP7D`: Sell 111 @ 0.00001231
[2016-10-11 12:56:07] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETHXBT`: Buy 916 @ 0.01905
[2016-10-11 13:07:52] REKT : Liquidated short on `XMR7D`: Buy 2 @ 0.011640
[2016-10-11 13:10:35] REKT : Liquidated short on `XMR7D`: Buy 22 @ 0.012054
[2016-10-11 15:20:48] arbitrage001 : cant believe rtt going for over 9 cents
[2016-10-11 15:21:56] arbitrage001 : was expecting 5 cents at best
[2016-10-11 15:22:18] arbitrage001 : guess i am getting old and outdated
[2016-10-11 15:46:14] mjones : rofl xmr
[2016-10-11 15:47:16] Tetsuo : lol
[2016-10-11 15:47:23] tusk : Hi if my Wallet Ball, Aval Bal and Withdraw Bal are all the same can i withdraw the full amount?
[2016-10-11 15:47:46] tusk : doesent seem to allow me 2?
[2016-10-11 15:50:16] mjones : Withdrawable Balance is what you can withdraw
[2016-10-11 15:50:22] mjones : (once a day)
[2016-10-11 15:50:34] mjones : which is in 21 hours 10 minutes
[2016-10-11 15:51:54] tusk : Ok Ty MJ
[2016-10-11 15:54:37] tusk : I made 0.7 btc trading Zcash but have no clue what I was doing and didnt know how to exit the positions, this is way deeper then polo, got the freight of my life
[2016-10-11 16:04:45] wurstgelee : btc showing life again
[2016-10-11 16:05:54] wurstgelee : yep
[2016-10-11 16:23:33] TL123 : Polo smooth sailing 2.5x leverage. Enter this madness. 25x+
[2016-10-11 16:28:04] jung1 : hello
[2016-10-11 16:28:12] jung1 : how are your longs?
[2016-10-11 16:28:37] jung1 : tusk: oh shit ceo of UE are here
[2016-10-11 16:29:21] TL123 : GINA duppel topper massiver dumper?
[2016-10-11 16:42:01] RocketScience : dump failed
[2016-10-11 17:19:34] REKT : Liquidated long on `REP7D`: Sell 2 @ 0.009704
[2016-10-11 19:26:07] REKT : Liquidated long on `LTCXBT`: Sell 1495 @ 0.00598
[2016-10-11 19:26:27] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 3500 @ 637.63
[2016-10-11 19:32:03] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 1 @ 0.01847
[2016-10-11 19:32:03] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 505 @ 0.01838
[2016-10-11 19:32:03] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 2490 @ 0.01837
[2016-10-11 19:32:03] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 2660 @ 0.01846
[2016-10-11 19:32:36] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 240 @ 0.01821
[2016-10-11 19:32:45] wurstgelee : kinda silent here regarding recent btc action
[2016-10-11 19:33:11] arbitrage001 : wurstgelee: check out eth right now
[2016-10-11 19:33:20] arbitrage001 : on poly, even more volatile
[2016-10-11 19:33:28] mjones : Eth rekt
[2016-10-11 19:33:35] wurstgelee : i only play alts when btc is boring tbh
[2016-10-11 19:33:38] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-10-11 19:33:39] mjones : Longs
[2016-10-11 19:35:24] arbitrage001 : looks like eth will be tested again
[2016-10-11 19:35:36] arbitrage001 : 1b market cap coin
[2016-10-11 19:35:51] arbitrage001 : still pretty useless in my opinion so far
[2016-10-11 19:36:17] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 5 @ 638.50
[2016-10-11 19:36:54] RocketScience : i hope we have a good rocket
[2016-10-11 19:37:13] arbitrage001 : RocketScience: cant trade based on hope
[2016-10-11 19:37:42] wurstgelee : not?
[2016-10-11 19:37:44] wurstgelee : damn
[2016-10-11 19:51:40] BTCDJS : RocketScience: yes you can
[2016-10-11 20:25:42] justinlooking : i have 4 small positions on bitmex
[2016-10-11 20:26:13] justinlooking : all are severly offside :/
[2016-10-11 20:26:59] justinlooking : time to average
[2016-10-11 20:29:27] BitMEX_Sam : Offside?
[2016-10-11 20:31:32] justinlooking : yeh, short from below and long from above.. opposite to onside
[2016-10-11 20:33:15] vkvk : Hey, could someone give an example of how the Trade Filter query should look like?
[2016-10-11 20:33:40] justinlooking : vkvk, click a value
[2016-10-11 20:33:51] justinlooking : and then tweak as you wish
[2016-10-11 20:33:52] medpex : hello, someone know if i can install BitMEX Marker Maker on a raspberry pi ?
[2016-10-11 20:34:05] justinlooking : medpex yes u can
[2016-10-11 20:34:43] medpex : nice... have you maby a user manual for this ?
[2016-10-11 20:34:56] justinlooking : the getting started section of the readme has the info you need
[2016-10-11 20:35:12] medpex : Thank you ! :)
[2016-10-11 20:35:24] justinlooking : shout if u get stuck...
[2016-10-11 20:35:35] vkvk : sorry, *Trade History Filter, seems like it expects me to enter JSON or smth... let's say i want to see all Exec Type=Funding transactions
[2016-10-11 20:35:55] sleger : click doesnt work ?
[2016-10-11 20:36:07] justinlooking : `{"execType":"Funding"}`
[2016-10-11 20:36:16] vkvk : oh now it does, awesome thanks
[2016-10-11 20:37:33] BitMEX_Sam : Yeah, you can click most values, if you click another it will chain
[2016-10-11 20:37:35] BitMEX_Sam : It's pretty simple JSON
[2016-10-11 20:39:54] justinlooking : sleger: figured that thing out if u want it
[2016-10-11 20:40:10] sleger : nah, no need, but thanks
[2016-10-11 20:48:29] vkvk : btw the "Unrealised PNL" link on the "Swaps Guide" page is giving 404 error.
[2016-10-11 20:49:56] BitMEX_Greg : vkvk: thanks, a few old links from
[2016-10-11 20:50:06] BitMEX_Greg : ..the document update*
[2016-10-11 20:55:23] vkvk : np, is there a page where i could find a formula for "Realised PNL" on a perpetual swap?
[2016-10-11 21:02:51] vkvk : Seems like the Realised PNL= X - Sum(all funding payments for that swap). trying to figure out what X is...
[2016-10-11 21:03:14] sleger : fees?
[2016-10-11 21:03:39] vkvk : could be
[2016-10-11 21:05:26] justinlooking : close - entry shirley
[2016-10-11 21:06:06] justinlooking : * value ofc
[2016-10-11 21:06:20] justinlooking : `*`
[2016-10-11 21:19:52] BitMEX_Greg : vkvk: This page might help: https://www.bitmex.com/app/pnlGuide
[2016-10-11 21:21:51] vkvk : thanks, Greg. i'll take a look
[2016-10-11 21:29:37] esuvari : BitMEX_Greg: so with this new auto deleverage thing, does it mean positions get incrementally liquidated?
[2016-10-11 21:30:10] esuvari : or is it like once index price is below liq. price you lost your entire stash?
[2016-10-11 21:49:05] justinlooking : i am seeing this for 1st time: https://www.bitmex.com/app/autoDeleveragingExamples
[2016-10-11 21:51:36] justinlooking : `Accounts 6 and 5` ??? why is it not 3?
[2016-10-11 21:55:53] lockhedge : guess you are the first who really read it, should be accounts 3 and 6
[2016-10-11 21:56:59] lockhedge : or just account 3 as you said...
[2016-10-11 22:07:23] justinlooking : pages mention "Examples" in multi places, but htere is only one, maybe it got arthur'd
[2016-10-11 22:11:35] j8 : esuvari: there are incremental liquidations (sort of) if you're on a higher risk limit. check References->Liquidation. not sure how well it works, can't really count on it
[2016-10-11 22:15:07] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC7D`: Sell 2000 @ 0.001696
[2016-10-11 22:16:32] jordanbitfort : hahaha longing etc
[2016-10-11 22:16:53] esuvari : lockhedge: nope, accounts 2 & 5 it should be
[2016-10-11 22:17:08] esuvari : they mixed account numbers with PNL ranking
[2016-10-11 22:18:09] esuvari : and from what I understand, there's no such thing as going 50x at the beginning of a rally and ride it till the end with mad profits anymore.
[2016-10-11 22:19:01] j8 : they also say 6th is a higher rank than 1st. ok I guess, but that's confusing
[2016-10-11 22:19:43] sleger : maybe because they're the 6th largest usd exchange ?
[2016-10-11 22:19:53] esuvari : someone with the opposite position is bound to get liquidated and they force you to cover your position
[2016-10-11 22:20:25] esuvari : that's bullshit. what's the benefit of high leverage then?
[2016-10-11 22:22:56] BitMEX_Greg : esuvari: liquidation still occur similar to the DPE system
[2016-10-11 22:23:34] esuvari : BitMEX_Greg: yes, I understand what autodeleverage means now. but I'm very much dissappointed to be honest
[2016-10-11 22:24:37] esuvari : it's basically force-closing positions.
[2016-10-11 22:25:55] esuvari : liquidation in profits in a way.
[2016-10-11 22:27:48] BitMEX_Greg : esuvari: We have aimed to make the autodeleveraging as fair as possible
[2016-10-11 22:28:38] omicron : holy shit what happened to btc price over the last 24 hrs? Looks like someone grabbed it by the pussy
[2016-10-11 22:29:04] BitMEX_Greg : lol
[2016-10-11 22:29:14] BitMEX_Greg : Catchphrase of the year
[2016-10-11 22:30:45] jtrade26381 : last time BTC rallied bitmex had to change rules on the fly. hypothetically, would bitmex need to change any rules again this time if we go straight to $1000?
[2016-10-11 22:31:02] esuvari : so liquidated contracts don't go in the orderbook anymore, do I understand correctly?
[2016-10-11 22:31:11] omicron : jtrade26381: yes, they would need to grab the swap by the pussy
[2016-10-11 22:31:48] jtrade26381 : omicron: or traders by the balls
[2016-10-11 22:32:09] omicron : well yea, if it worked for trump...
[2016-10-11 22:32:45] justinlooking : jtrade26381: what could they change? Increase funding rate cap?
[2016-10-11 22:33:04] esuvari : instead of allowing some new trader to buy liquidated contracts off the market, you forcefully make winning positions to buy them
[2016-10-11 22:33:17] BitMEX_Greg : jtrade26381: Unlikely, there are always going to be a few kinks that need to be worked out. We believe that our risk limit system, funding system and ADL system are well prepared for any extreme volatile movements.
[2016-10-11 22:33:30] omicron : no funding will shoot up or market makers will be pissed
[2016-10-11 22:33:37] BitMEX_Greg : esuvari: Liquidations will still enter orderbook first before deleveraging other positions
[2016-10-11 22:34:08] jtrade26381 : BitMEX_Greg: thanks
[2016-10-11 22:34:09] esuvari : how long do they stay there? when does the deleveraging other positions take place?
[2016-10-11 22:34:57] esuvari : when the price movement is too fast and it gets lost deep in the orderbook I imagine?
[2016-10-11 22:36:17] j8 : insurance fund will be depleted first to move liqs into the book. but, we still can't see the insurance per contract
[2016-10-11 22:36:19] BitMEX_Greg : esuvari: Deleveraging occurs when the mark price drops to the bankruptcy price
[2016-10-11 22:36:43] BitMEX_Greg : j8: Its in development to provide more details about the insurance fund per contract
[2016-10-11 22:37:32] j8 : been on the list long enough imo
[2016-10-11 22:39:43] esuvari : what is the bankruptcy price?
[2016-10-11 22:41:02] BitMEX_Greg : esuvari: The price at which the liquidated position's margin is equal to 0
[2016-10-11 22:43:58] sleger : BitMEX_Greg: hey maybe you could give us a current breakdown of the insurance fund per contract while we wait for that development to be finished ?
[2016-10-11 22:44:48] wurstgelee : how hard can it be to develop that overview anyways?.... ;)
[2016-10-11 22:44:57] wurstgelee : if all data is available
[2016-10-11 22:51:16] BitMEX_Greg : sleger: I don't have access to that information
[2016-10-11 22:51:35] sleger : no worries
[2016-10-11 22:51:44] sleger : I feel like noone else does :p
[2016-10-11 23:08:41] wurstgelee : aaand the woodchipper made a new high
[2016-10-11 23:08:44] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-10-11 23:14:35] justinlooking : afraid to go to sleep
[2016-10-11 23:16:09] BitMEX_Greg : justinlooking: Freddy Krueger isn't real..
[2016-10-11 23:27:34] REKT : Liquidated long on `REP7D`: Sell 60 @ 0.008821
[2016-10-11 23:46:22] Rado : lol BitMEX_Greg
[2016-10-12 00:17:15] messiaen8844 : GBPUSD :D :D :D :D
[2016-10-12 00:17:42] messiaen8844 : Augur to 0.006, nice fibo extension 100%
[2016-10-12 01:25:28] omicron : bitmex, aren't you worried about regulators in EU coming after you?
[2016-10-12 01:25:33] omicron : or other countries
[2016-10-12 01:52:51] REKT : Liquidated short on `XMR7D`: Buy 100 @ 0.011875
[2016-10-12 01:59:34] mjones : etc down a bunch
[2016-10-12 02:01:20] mjones : 337 BTC holding the price up
[2016-10-12 02:05:51] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBJ7D`: Sell 1500 @ 66259
[2016-10-12 02:06:05] mjones : holy shit
[2016-10-12 02:06:06] mjones : 100x
[2016-10-12 02:06:06] chromaticcr1 : more fomo in XBTUSD with 100x
[2016-10-12 02:06:12] chromaticcr1 : great
[2016-10-12 02:06:31] mjones : only thing that'll suck is paying the funding fee
[2016-10-12 02:07:10] messiaen8844 : Existing contracts still 50x?
[2016-10-12 02:07:13] jose : it means 13% at 100x lol
[2016-10-12 02:07:36] BitMEX_Arthur : messiaen8844: Whatever leverage you had selected will not change, but you now have the option for 100x
[2016-10-12 02:07:37] messiaen8844 : casino opened
[2016-10-12 02:07:46] messiaen8844 : right, thanks arthur
[2016-10-12 02:11:42] mjones : watch everyone on 100x gets auto closed in profit during a pump or dump and miss out on profit
[2016-10-12 02:12:37] jose : you dont understand, the profit you miss out is money that doesnt exist
[2016-10-12 02:12:38] omicron : its called adl @mjones
[2016-10-12 02:12:44] BitMEX_Wally : mjones: If they get ADL on a pump and dump then they would be closed out at a profit
[2016-10-12 02:13:02] omicron : its just less profit
[2016-10-12 02:13:27] jose : less porift only if it continues to pump
[2016-10-12 02:13:41] omicron : BitMEX_Wally: you dont have any regulatory pressure from EU countries?
[2016-10-12 02:14:10] BitMEX_Wally : omicron: We're not in the EU
[2016-10-12 02:15:13] omicron : BitMEX_Wally: So then you are not subject to EU regs? But you are not in US either, why dont you take US users
[2016-10-12 02:17:27] BitMEX_Wally : The CFTC asserts extra-territorial jurisdiction over non-US companies
[2016-10-12 02:17:46] omicron : ah... im guessing EU does not?
[2016-10-12 02:49:22] omicron : I hope you guys have legal guidance on accepting EU citizens. Could get messy
[2016-10-12 03:07:22] mjones : end of etc? short it to the ground
[2016-10-12 03:26:28] omicron : can anyone who got ADL'd tell me their experience.
[2016-10-12 03:26:38] omicron : was it good or bad
[2016-10-12 03:29:01] omicron : were there a lot of them during the move up? whats the % risk of ADL on a move up like that? this would help me greatly to trade
[2016-10-12 03:31:12] omicron : BitMEX_Wally: can you help me? what is the percent of contracts that got ADL on the big move up
[2016-10-12 03:31:16] omicron : approx
[2016-10-12 03:33:15] BitMEX_Wally : omicron: ADL has only occurred on ZECZ16
[2016-10-12 03:33:43] omicron : impressive. So no ADL on XBT. this is very encouraging
[2016-10-12 03:33:59] BitMEX_Wally : ADL will be as rare as DPE, which occurred about once every 3 months on XBTUSD
[2016-10-12 03:34:53] omicron : oh ya, thats why i asked coz of the big move
[2016-10-12 03:35:07] omicron : i know normal moves dont trigger this
[2016-10-12 03:36:17] j8 : well, DPE often showed some %, which was cleared before rebalance. these would be ADL events right. so not as rare
[2016-10-12 03:38:02] jtrade26381 : 100X - wait a sec r u tryn 2 liquidate me again
[2016-10-12 03:51:14] chromaticcr1 : nah, the liquidate level is still at 0.5% mm
[2016-10-12 04:51:35] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBJ24H`: Sell 17 @ 65876
[2016-10-12 04:51:47] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 300 @ 633.82
[2016-10-12 04:52:04] chromaticcr1 : *poof*
[2016-10-12 06:09:37] webcaetano : im lost
[2016-10-12 06:13:12] Tetsuo : get used to it
[2016-10-12 06:16:26] BitMEX_Arthur : webcaetano: https://www.bitmex.com/app/tradingOverview
[2016-10-12 06:16:34] BitMEX_Arthur : take a look at that to get stsrted
[2016-10-12 06:16:43] BitMEX_Arthur : started
[2016-10-12 06:16:48] webcaetano : hmm
[2016-10-12 06:17:33] webcaetano : actually im looking for founding. the FAQ's dont look very clear about that
[2016-10-12 06:18:05] BitMEX_Arthur : webcaetano: https://www.bitmex.com/app/aboutUs
[2016-10-12 06:18:38] webcaetano : sorry. arthur.
[2016-10-12 06:18:49] webcaetano : im not meaning the founding members.
[2016-10-12 06:19:11] webcaetano : but something more like founding the margin trade (lending)
[2016-10-12 06:19:45] BitMEX_Arthur : You can't engage in margin lending like on Bitfinex. We do have swap contracts where you can earn funding depending on your position.
[2016-10-12 06:20:12] webcaetano : ok
[2016-10-12 06:20:18] BitMEX_Arthur : https://www.bitmex.com/app/swapsGuide
[2016-10-12 06:20:22] BitMEX_Arthur : Check that out
[2016-10-12 06:20:27] webcaetano : thanks
[2016-10-12 06:27:37] wurstgelee : bitmex is great when used on mobile btw. no other exchange gets even close to this level of usability, responsiveness and speed.
[2016-10-12 06:28:03] wurstgelee : //2 cents on my way to work
[2016-10-12 06:37:24] BitMEX_Arthur : Our CTO Sam is a bad ass
[2016-10-12 06:51:38] omicron : CEO is ?
[2016-10-12 07:36:10] wurstgelee : omicron: u just asked him
[2016-10-12 07:36:13] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-10-12 07:45:42] omicron : wurstgelee: i meant what kind of ass is CEO if CTO is the bad kind
[2016-10-12 07:54:26] omicron : holy crap bitmex vol beat btc-e
[2016-10-12 08:00:29] BitMEX_Wally : https://cointelegraph.com/images/725_Ly9jb2ludGVsZWdyYXBoLmNvbS9zdG9yYWdlL3VwbG9hZHMvdmlldy9lZTg0NThlMGM1MzA2NWE4NjhiZjE0YmEyNzZiM2U1NS5wbmc=.jpg
[2016-10-12 08:05:42] rapidtrades : omicron: ur welcome
[2016-10-12 08:28:00] medpex : Hello, is the market maker bot only for testnet BitMEX or i can change it for BitMEX ?
[2016-10-12 08:36:02] BitMEX_Arthur : medpex: Yes you can use for BitMEX
[2016-10-12 08:51:26] medpex : hmm i have 2 error... Handshake status 301 and couldn´t connect to WS! Exiting ?!
[2016-10-12 08:53:07] BitMEX_Arthur : medpex: Send over a support ticket with your specific errors and someone can help you
[2016-10-12 08:53:27] medpex : ok thank you :)
[2016-10-12 09:05:18] justinlooking : medpex: what's ur BASE_URL in settings.py?
[2016-10-12 09:07:35] medpex : justinlooking: https:// bitmex.com/api/v1
[2016-10-12 09:08:10] justinlooking : add `www.`
[2016-10-12 09:09:39] justinlooking : and trailing fwd slash after v1
[2016-10-12 09:10:16] justinlooking : it's commented in default ocnfig: https://github.com/BitMEX/sample-market-maker/blob/master/market_maker/_settings_base.py#L10
[2016-10-12 09:11:07] medpex : ahh ok ... thank you :)
[2016-10-12 11:03:55] medpex : justinlooking: me again ... when i start the bot with DRY_RUN=False i have this error: Login information or API Key incorrect, please check and restart (the API key is 100% right) this request hast expired - "expires" is in the past. current time 1476269995
[2016-10-12 11:08:19] BitMEX_Wally : medpex: Your system clock is wrong
[2016-10-12 11:08:27] BitMEX_Wally : Set it using ntp
[2016-10-12 11:16:57] justinlooking : medpex: iirc server/client clock skew cannot be more than 5 secs
[2016-10-12 11:17:36] justinlooking : is defined here : https://github.com/BitMEX/sample-market-maker/blob/master/market_maker/auth/APIKeyAuthWithExpires.py#L28
[2016-10-12 11:18:48] BitMEX_Wally : medpex: If you are on Linux/Mac you can run `ntpdate -q time.apple.com`
[2016-10-12 11:29:28] medpex : ok thank you i will test it
[2016-10-12 11:48:04] medpex : It works...thank you for support !!! :)
[2016-10-12 11:54:31] Airmike : BitMEX_Wally: could you tell me where can I find whole history of my trades, please
[2016-10-12 11:54:59] Airmike : i see only last two days.
[2016-10-12 11:56:10] justinlooking : Airmike: https://github.com/BitMEX/easy-data-scripts
[2016-10-12 11:57:07] Airmike : thanks :)
[2016-10-12 11:57:58] Airmike : I was wondering it will be somewhere in platform for ordinary users :)
[2016-10-12 12:03:45] justinlooking : well u can go https://github.com/BitMEX/easy-data-scripts
[2016-10-12 12:05:33] justinlooking : sry: https://www.bitmex.com/app/tradeHistory and save csv, next page, save csv, next page ....
[2016-10-12 12:06:48] justinlooking : thendepends how many trades you have concat files together
[2016-10-12 12:16:01] zanza : There should be option to save complete history in CSV, instead of having to seprate for each page
[2016-10-12 12:19:09] justinlooking : maybe if u email support@bitmex they can do a dump for you
[2016-10-12 12:24:10] jeeburns : Question, how does my realized profit PNL go down when I haven't done anything. I haven't closed my order. Is there some kind of fee for keeping an order open for a certain length of time or am I missing something? thanks
[2016-10-12 12:24:57] sleger : every 8 hours there is a fee
[2016-10-12 12:25:04] justinlooking : on swaps, funding affects realised pnl
[2016-10-12 12:25:29] jeeburns : any idea on what the fee is?
[2016-10-12 12:26:11] justinlooking : it's the period's funding rate
[2016-10-12 12:26:46] BitMEX_Wally : Historical funding rates can be found here: https://www.bitmex.com/app/fundingHistory
[2016-10-12 12:26:51] jeeburns : oh ok, at the top where it says .09%
[2016-10-12 12:26:57] jeeburns : ok I'll take a look thanks
[2016-10-12 12:27:33] BitMEX_Wally : Yes, the Contact Details for XBTUSD says "Funding Rate 0.0909% in 8 hours"
[2016-10-12 12:27:34] justinlooking : that's the next one, we just had 0.1567%
[2016-10-12 12:27:58] justinlooking : *-0.1567
[2016-10-12 12:28:22] jeeburns : K get it thanks. Then initial fee for opening an order with btc is?
[2016-10-12 12:28:35] BitMEX_Wally : https://www.bitmex.com/app/fees
[2016-10-12 12:28:36] sleger : maker/taker fee
[2016-10-12 12:28:51] REKT : Liquidated long on `XRP7D`: Sell 825000 @ 0.00001211
[2016-10-12 12:28:54] justinlooking : what u think of eth sleger
[2016-10-12 12:29:04] sleger : im long long term
[2016-10-12 12:31:13] justinlooking : ethbtc or ethusd?
[2016-10-12 12:31:51] justinlooking : guess both are implied... ignore me
[2016-10-12 12:34:46] sleger : yes both
[2016-10-12 12:38:31] sleger : BitMEX_Wally: I think it would be better to have monthly futures than weekly for ETC, XMR, REP, XRP
[2016-10-12 12:39:30] jeeburns : deff agree ^
[2016-10-12 12:44:02] justinlooking : https://imgur.com/a/1A705
[2016-10-12 13:14:25] habibi : what if funding will be bigger then collateral on 100x ?
[2016-10-12 13:17:16] Kalman : guess if funding reduces funds below maintenance margin one gets liquidated
[2016-10-12 13:19:03] BitMEX_Wally : The funding rate is capped at 75% of initial margin
[2016-10-12 13:19:55] BitMEX_Wally : And it cannot increase by more than 75% of maintenance margin at a time
[2016-10-12 13:20:07] BitMEX_Wally : So you won't be liquidated by the funding, but the mark price will decay and that can liquidate you
[2016-10-12 13:21:18] sleger : " sleger: BitMEX_Wally: I think it would be better to have monthly futures than weekly for ETC, XMR, REP, XRP"
[2016-10-12 13:26:26] BitMEX_Wally : It was noted :)
[2016-10-12 13:27:56] lockhedge : BitMEX_Wally: swap guide says funding rate is capped at `0.75 * (Initial Margin - Maintenance Margin)`, did you change this to `0.75 * Initial Margin`
[2016-10-12 13:28:34] BitMEX_Wally : Sorry, the documents are correct
[2016-10-12 13:29:44] BitMEX_Wally : So the funding rate for XBTUSD is now capped at 0.375% per 8 hours
[2016-10-12 13:31:48] lockhedge : ok, thanks for clarifying
[2016-10-12 13:54:09] chromaticcr1 : I wonder 1.125%/day would be sufficient for relieving premium when crazy time comes (like June Aug)
[2016-10-12 13:56:51] sleger : it's also weird that the leverage dictates what the max funding rate is and not the other way around
[2016-10-12 14:02:02] sleger : And I see a simple solution for this.
[2016-10-12 14:16:16] jung1 : http://blog.bitfinex.com/announcements/bitfinex-recovery-right-tokens/
[2016-10-12 14:16:29] jung1 : time to buy some bitfinex tokens
[2016-10-12 14:28:31] RocketScience : 0.375%*100 leverage =37,5% of your margin if price doesn't move
[2016-10-12 14:28:39] RocketScience : that's why it's capped
[2016-10-12 14:46:01] justinlooking : wtf is that
[2016-10-12 14:46:07] justinlooking : b&
[2016-10-12 14:46:21] justinlooking : is that u monkeying about medpex?
[2016-10-12 14:52:31] lockhedge : blockchain.info has been DNS hijacked https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/573lis/it_looks_like_blockchaininfo_has_been_dns_hijacked/
[2016-10-12 15:03:44] sleger : so glad i stopped using them as wallet
[2016-10-12 15:08:07] RocketScience : What happens at settlement if orderbook is empty? (supposing)
[2016-10-12 15:08:49] BitMEX_Sam : RocketScience: Nothing, we settle on the Mark Price, which is generally the most liquid underlying spot market
[2016-10-12 15:09:13] BitMEX_Sam : If it were indeed a Last Price contract, which we don't run anymore, in that case it would settle on the last traded price
[2016-10-12 15:09:21] RocketScience : So I get the unrealised PNL based on spot market?
[2016-10-12 15:09:28] sleger : zcash isnt one last price contract ?
[2016-10-12 15:09:56] BitMEX_Sam : sleger: It will convert to Mark before settlement
[2016-10-12 15:10:00] BitMEX_Sam : RocketScience: Yes
[2016-10-12 15:10:20] sleger : if it's not live then, will you change the expiry date ?
[2016-10-12 15:12:11] BitMEX_Arthur : sleger: We do have a contingency, we will send an announcement and update the docs shortly with what happens in the event it doesn't list by the expiry day.
[2016-10-12 15:12:31] sleger : ok cool, thanks
[2016-10-12 15:33:22] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 2000 @ 636.37
[2016-10-12 15:39:54] RocketScience : giant short on xbtusd
[2016-10-12 17:05:17] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 400 @ 635.41
[2016-10-12 17:07:53] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 7 @ 634.89
[2016-10-12 17:07:53] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 18 @ 634.66
[2016-10-12 17:07:53] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 200 @ 634.91
[2016-10-12 17:18:36] wurstgelee : RocketScience: here?
[2016-10-12 17:20:38] RocketScience : yes
[2016-10-12 17:20:48] RocketScience : still alive :)
[2016-10-12 17:21:47] RocketScience : https://www.dailyfx.com/usd-cnh
[2016-10-12 17:22:01] RocketScience : Cny is bottomed...if it moves lower against the dollar...
[2016-10-12 17:24:02] MCT : where does mark price come from?
[2016-10-12 17:24:23] sleger : Mark, he is one of the admin here
[2016-10-12 17:24:43] MCT : I am talking about mark price
[2016-10-12 17:25:07] justinlooking : it's a very english name
[2016-10-12 17:25:08] wurstgelee : MCT: what does the hover-tooltip tell you?
[2016-10-12 17:25:09] sleger : It's the price that Mark enters, that's why it's called mark price
[2016-10-12 17:25:41] BitMEX_Greg : MCT: Hi I can help you
[2016-10-12 17:25:50] justinlooking : don't trust him
[2016-10-12 17:26:00] wurstgelee : MCT: click on the mark price for further info. it's that simple
[2016-10-12 17:26:06] MCT : BitMEX_Greg: How is Mark price calculated?
[2016-10-12 17:26:14] wurstgelee : what i just wrote
[2016-10-12 17:26:19] BitMEX_Greg : MCT: The Mark price is set most commonly by the Fair Price Marking method (please see https://www.bitmex.com/app/fairPriceMarking).
[2016-10-12 17:26:40] BitMEX_Greg : In short: we use the index price +/- some adjustment
[2016-10-12 17:27:00] sleger : ^ he gives the Greg price, it's usually not too different from Mark's price
[2016-10-12 17:27:08] sleger : got it now ? @MCT
[2016-10-12 17:27:13] MCT : BitMEX_Greg: thats what i wanted to know thanks
[2016-10-12 17:27:50] BitMEX_Greg : no problem
[2016-10-12 17:27:56] sleger : if you have any other questions, please do hesitate
[2016-10-12 17:28:11] wurstgelee : :)
[2016-10-12 17:28:19] justinlooking : trullz
[2016-10-12 17:28:41] MCT : BitMEX_Greg: I just see Mark price way below normal indexes
[2016-10-12 17:28:59] BitMEX_Greg : MCT: Which product are you referring to
[2016-10-12 17:29:06] arbitrage001 : MCT: buy it, baby
[2016-10-12 17:29:09] MCT : XBT
[2016-10-12 17:29:14] arbitrage001 : btc at discount
[2016-10-12 17:29:36] BitMEX_Greg : MCT: Right now the index price is 635.63 and the mark price is 635.81
[2016-10-12 17:29:55] MCT : BitMEX_Greg: where can i see that index?
[2016-10-12 17:29:57] BitMEX_Greg : -0.03%
[2016-10-12 17:30:01] RocketScience : Btc moving in china right now
[2016-10-12 17:30:07] sleger : it's because there is no finex price
[2016-10-12 17:30:08] wurstgelee : BitMEX_Greg: the real question he wanted to ask is: why is mark below finex?
[2016-10-12 17:30:11] wurstgelee : =)
[2016-10-12 17:30:16] sleger : answer jsut above
[2016-10-12 17:30:23] wurstgelee : sleger: ofc
[2016-10-12 17:30:25] BitMEX_Greg : MCT: https://www.bitmex.com/app/trade/XBTUSD then look on the left hand side under Contract Details: XBTUSD
[2016-10-12 17:30:40] BitMEX_Greg : You will see 3 prices , one is the last price (top), the left is the Index Price, the right is the Mark Price
[2016-10-12 17:30:47] RocketScience : Google kaiko btc index
[2016-10-12 17:30:55] BitMEX_Greg : if you click on the left price you will get: https://www.bitmex.com/app/index/.XBT
[2016-10-12 17:31:04] BitMEX_Greg : Which is the Kaiko BitMEX index price
[2016-10-12 17:31:06] sleger : just tell him there is no finex that's all he wanted to understand
[2016-10-12 17:31:11] wurstgelee : sleger: :D :D :D
[2016-10-12 17:31:12] RocketScience : it 's made of 50% bitstamp usd and 50% ok.coin USD
[2016-10-12 17:31:36] BitMEX_Greg : MCT: The Kaiko BitMEX index can be seen here: https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjztbzg5dXPAhXEPT4KHWWjDkAQFggcMAA&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.kaiko.com%2Fbitmex&usg=AFQjCNHkmoyxjQw_j_ukfJDY4mYMRsnUPg&bvm=bv.135475266,d.cWw
[2016-10-12 17:31:46] arbitrage001 : dangerous to trade here if he is asking the question
[2016-10-12 17:31:46] RocketScience : it was 33,33,33 but finex got removed
[2016-10-12 17:31:51] sleger : I'll try to remember that url for next time
[2016-10-12 17:32:01] BitMEX_Greg : ahh rather https://www.kaiko.com/bitmex
[2016-10-12 17:32:16] BitMEX_Greg : sleger: lol
[2016-10-12 17:32:56] MCT : BitMEX_Greg: and that index is based on which exchanges? i am just new here and want to understand
[2016-10-12 17:33:24] BitMEX_Greg : MCT: https://www.kaiko.com/bitmex will show you that it is currently comprised of 50% Bitstamp and 50% OkCoin USD
[2016-10-12 17:33:27] sleger : read above
[2016-10-12 17:33:33] arbitrage001 : MCT: mark and index shouldnt matter much to your trading strategy
[2016-10-12 17:33:34] RocketScience : Ok.coin*
[2016-10-12 17:33:36] wurstgelee : u can all safely go long now, btc will repeat yesterday. dont forget to close in ~6h
[2016-10-12 17:33:39] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-10-12 17:33:43] lockhedge : next question: where do the exchanges get the price from?
[2016-10-12 17:33:52] wurstgelee : lockhedge: from MArk
[2016-10-12 17:33:55] wurstgelee : *Mark
[2016-10-12 17:34:02] arbitrage001 : lockhedge: good question. i like to know also
[2016-10-12 17:34:34] BitMEX_Greg : Kaiko uses last price I believe
[2016-10-12 17:34:35] MCT : Guys, i am just trying to understand fully the operations of this site. Better understanding, better trading
[2016-10-12 17:34:58] arbitrage001 : like to know which authority regulate btc rate
[2016-10-12 17:34:59] sleger : Less reading the docs, more stupider questions
[2016-10-12 17:34:59] BitMEX_Greg : MCT: There is a reason why this is called the Trollbox,
[2016-10-12 17:35:07] RocketScience : i paid 1 btc in losses to understand it xD
[2016-10-12 17:35:11] wurstgelee : MCT: better understanding comes with better reading ;)
[2016-10-12 17:35:21] sleger : wurstgelee: i beat you to it
[2016-10-12 17:35:25] wurstgelee : :D
[2016-10-12 17:35:38] RocketScience : didn't take time to learn what rekt me before...like giant fundings on 50x long
[2016-10-12 17:36:05] sleger : wrong username then
[2016-10-12 17:36:30] MCT : ok guys...thanks for the heads up. lol
[2016-10-12 17:36:39] wurstgelee : he is iterating to learn. proper scientific method
[2016-10-12 17:36:55] arbitrage001 : trial and error
[2016-10-12 17:37:02] arbitrage001 : on 50x