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[2016-10-10 03:43:55] micmix : oh good, I hope you will enable it soon or my accountant will quit ;-) @BitMEX_Wally
[2016-10-10 03:44:28] BitMEX_Wally : Yes plan is to enable it 12:00 UTC tomorrow
[2016-10-10 03:44:51] BitMEX_Wally : I might be able to create historical records for you if required
[2016-10-10 03:45:01] BitMEX_Wally : Keep your accountant's life easy
[2016-10-10 03:45:45] micmix : BitMEX_Wally: thank you very much! yes, please create daily records if you can
[2016-10-10 03:46:13] micmix : on my MM account
[2016-10-10 03:47:23] jose : BitMEX_Wally: you should have a reporting section, daily monthly and annual are standard
[2016-10-10 03:48:07] BitMEX_Wally : jose: Good idea
[2016-10-10 03:54:07] HotPotatototo : BitMEX_Sam: question, are you guys anticipating any future forced deleveraging events in ZECZ16 any time soon?
[2016-10-10 03:57:23] HotPotatototo : Like in terms of a probability
[2016-10-10 04:29:22] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 94 @ 0.01913
[2016-10-10 04:44:39] jose : high volatility + low liquidity = deleverage, so yes
[2016-10-10 04:44:48] jose : use the contract as speculation, not hedging
[2016-10-10 08:30:52] REKT : Liquidated short on `REP7D`: Buy 300 @ 0.012285
[2016-10-10 08:30:52] REKT : Liquidated short on `REP7D`: Buy 118 @ 0.012113
[2016-10-10 08:46:08] Kalman : BitMEX_Wally: Is there any difference between a MM account (micmix mentioned) and a normal account in fee structure terms?
[2016-10-10 08:47:12] BitMEX_Jinming : Kalman: there is no difference in fee structure.
[2016-10-10 08:47:41] Kalman : BitMEX_Jinming: Any other differences order limits, throughput, etc.?
[2016-10-10 08:49:10] BitMEX_Jinming : Kalman: normally there is no difference too. However if you have special requirement, you can let us know.
[2016-10-10 08:49:39] Kalman : BitMEX_Jinming: Thx!
[2016-10-10 08:50:00] BitMEX_Jinming : Kalman: You are welcome :)
[2016-10-10 09:58:34] REKT : Liquidated long on `XRP7D`: Sell 64 @ 0.00001362
[2016-10-10 11:08:53] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 1735 @ 0.01895
[2016-10-10 11:12:22] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 2300 @ 0.01886
[2016-10-10 11:21:29] justinlooking : b&
[2016-10-10 11:25:55] RocketScience : ethxit
[2016-10-10 11:27:22] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 800 @ 0.01880
[2016-10-10 11:34:35] zanza : ETH ?
[2016-10-10 11:35:31] RocketScience : ripple first ask 1525...
[2016-10-10 12:24:34] RocketScience : Alert: XBT/USD funding rate 0.2495%
[2016-10-10 12:37:27] RocketScience : XBT/USD weekly futures would be great.
[2016-10-10 12:43:46] zanza : they used to have em
[2016-10-10 12:44:30] RocketScience : i don't want to use yen ...
[2016-10-10 12:45:00] RocketScience : i want to be more longterm and these fundings are kiklling me because i am long
[2016-10-10 12:51:14] habibi : quanto weekly futures would be awsome
[2016-10-10 13:56:34] REKT : Liquidated long on `XRP7D`: Sell 600000 @ 0.00001349
[2016-10-10 13:56:55] zanza : weekly futures have premium, its the same thing as funding
[2016-10-10 13:57:23] zanza : funding is only about 40% annual historically
[2016-10-10 14:00:12] sleger : based on which historical data ? (it's not 40%)
[2016-10-10 14:07:04] habibi : zanza: i can trade in and out within premium, on swap i can do it only in 8 hour window avoiding funding
[2016-10-10 14:07:30] zanza : all recorded data
[2016-10-10 14:07:50] zanza : 0.4919185608
[2016-10-10 14:07:58] zanza : to be precise (48%)
[2016-10-10 14:08:02] habibi : ~40 lol
[2016-10-10 14:09:01] zanza : .044% average per 8 hr
[2016-10-10 14:09:40] habibi : awsome, as u said only 49% annually
[2016-10-10 14:09:44] habibi : only :D
[2016-10-10 14:10:01] sleger : i get 62%
[2016-10-10 14:10:03] zanza : i liked the old quantos also, but people prefer daily/highest liquidity/highest leverage
[2016-10-10 14:10:19] habibi : yep quantos were awsome
[2016-10-10 14:12:32] zanza : Sleger i ran it for 134 days period 1 or 2 days ago
[2016-10-10 14:12:39] zanza : 403 funding periods
[2016-10-10 14:23:30] arbitrage001 : right
[2016-10-10 14:23:45] arbitrage001 : funding is making trading harder
[2016-10-10 14:24:08] arbitrage001 : pls bring back 3 months and 6 months contract
[2016-10-10 14:34:39] RocketScience : i will have to dodge btc funding today...so annoying
[2016-10-10 14:39:06] zanza : dodging funding doesn't make much sense
[2016-10-10 14:41:44] sleger : zanza: i'm saying .044% average per 8 hr yields 62% py
[2016-10-10 14:42:01] zanza : https://twitter.com/ViaBTC/status/785423172770365440
[2016-10-10 14:42:10] zanza : let me check my spreadhseet
[2016-10-10 14:43:36] zanza : ..044 * 365 * 3 = roughly 49%
[2016-10-10 14:43:49] zanza : `.044 * 265 * 3`
[2016-10-10 14:44:38] zanza : `.044 * 365 * 3` should read
[2016-10-10 14:45:24] zanza : the old quarterly funding would be over 80% often
[2016-10-10 14:45:37] arbitrage001 : right
[2016-10-10 14:45:43] arbitrage001 : good for shorter and hedger
[2016-10-10 14:46:18] arbitrage001 : if trader willing to pay, i am not complaning
[2016-10-10 14:46:44] arbitrage001 : swap making this process too unpreditable
[2016-10-10 14:46:55] zanza : but if you short 50x, you should still lose money since it climb from 457
[2016-10-10 14:47:01] arbitrage001 : unpredictable
[2016-10-10 14:47:02] zanza : even with 50% funding rate
[2016-10-10 14:47:28] arbitrage001 : depend on how you hedge your position
[2016-10-10 14:47:57] arbitrage001 : experience traders dont just make 1 trade and then sit for months
[2016-10-10 14:47:59] zanza : if you short 50x from 457 9when perpetual started) you will lose now
[2016-10-10 14:48:13] zanza : some do
[2016-10-10 14:48:17] arbitrage001 : and they dont make high leverage bet
[2016-10-10 14:49:50] sleger : zanza: you forgot compounding
[2016-10-10 14:50:26] arbitrage001 : sleger: funding rate is too unpredictable for measurement anyway
[2016-10-10 14:50:41] arbitrage001 : negative one day and positive another
[2016-10-10 14:50:54] sleger : thats why we are talking about a long term average
[2016-10-10 14:51:22] zanza : true sleger
[2016-10-10 14:51:34] sleger : hence 62% as I said
[2016-10-10 14:52:00] sleger : (assuming your 8 hour average is correct)
[2016-10-10 14:56:34] REKT : Liquidated long on `XRP7D`: Sell 71000 @ 0.00001313
[2016-10-10 15:21:51] REKT : Liquidated long on `XRP7D`: Sell 737 @ 0.00001308
[2016-10-10 16:44:02] REKT : Liquidated long on `XMR7D`: Sell 100 @ 0.011396
[2016-10-10 17:26:10] miramm1115 : even 50% annual is a lot for inverse contract, I'm sure inverse quarterly futures would be less expensive to long. XBJ quarterly trades at 17% atm
[2016-10-10 17:31:23] omicron : all of you guys are bitching about funding cost but if this was a problem why does XBT have 3700 volume
[2016-10-10 17:32:09] omicron : at #4 here https://exchangewar.info/coinprice?BTC_USD
[2016-10-10 17:32:52] omicron : obviously, people like to trade it
[2016-10-10 17:33:51] miramm1115 : a) arb bots that hold position for short period of time, b) ppl scalping, c) ppl don't realize how much they are paying. we are talking about long term trades that swap is not really suitable for
[2016-10-10 17:35:11] omicron : obviously bitmex has no incentive to help long term trading unless they start charging you to hold. Their strategy is to get high volume and it seems to be working (not that i agree this is good)
[2016-10-10 17:36:11] miramm1115 : yep, high volume = lot of fees. I'm not complaining, my bots do ok here
[2016-10-10 17:38:00] arbitrage001 : miramm1115: python bot?
[2016-10-10 17:38:00] RocketScience : i like chinese btc prices..with decimals...bitstamp is only 613, 614...etc
[2016-10-10 17:38:32] miramm1115 : no
[2016-10-10 17:38:41] arbitrage001 : miramm1115: interested in selling some of your less profitable bot?
[2016-10-10 17:38:52] miramm1115 : nope
[2016-10-10 17:39:27] arbitrage001 : miramm1115: any reason?
[2016-10-10 17:40:04] omicron : RocketScience: what do you mean with decimals. we have decimals here too?
[2016-10-10 17:41:36] arbitrage001 : not many eth bots are running, it appears
[2016-10-10 17:42:03] arbitrage001 : spread is a bit large for a healthy exchange
[2016-10-10 17:42:20] arbitrage001 : or coin
[2016-10-10 17:42:21] miramm1115 : why would anyone sell an algo that makes money? you can just give more money to your algo if it's scalable
[2016-10-10 17:42:43] arbitrage001 : miramm1115: not asking for algo, just a bot
[2016-10-10 17:43:11] arbitrage001 : miramm1115: easily modify to fit anyone algo that is
[2016-10-10 17:43:37] arbitrage001 : i hard trouble running the sample python bots here
[2016-10-10 17:43:47] arbitrage001 : thorwing too many errors
[2016-10-10 17:44:03] RocketScience : omicron: It seems so liquid, moves in small increments.. and biststamp moves up and down by 1 dollar, because people trade like that
[2016-10-10 17:45:22] miramm1115 : arbitrage001: really? MM python bot from BitMEX github? it's seems well written
[2016-10-10 17:45:50] arbitrage001 : miramm1115: how you run it?
[2016-10-10 17:46:08] arbitrage001 : on what ide?
[2016-10-10 17:46:46] arbitrage001 : and which version of python
[2016-10-10 17:46:50] miramm1115 : change config and run it with python, no ide needed
[2016-10-10 17:47:07] arbitrage001 : just change config can make it run?
[2016-10-10 17:47:14] arbitrage001 : have a set up guide?
[2016-10-10 18:04:23] miramm1115 : ask BitMEX_Sam, he wrote it, but basically you have to run setup and edit settings.py. it's a very basic MM bot, will do ok in a flat market
[2016-10-10 18:56:07] omicron : almost any bot will do ok in a flat market. trick is to write a bot that can do well in trends
[2016-10-10 19:01:45] justinlooking : ??
[2016-10-10 19:30:07] RocketScience : funding is coming x_x
[2016-10-10 19:42:20] Dtrade16 : Where do you guys run bots?
[2016-10-10 19:42:29] Dtrade16 : Crytotrader?
[2016-10-10 19:45:14] RocketScience : the orders are flicking now every half a second because a noob bot came to play
[2016-10-10 19:50:17] omicron : my friend got arrested last night
[2016-10-10 19:50:56] omicron : He was a bit too drunk in a bar and was just trying to be presidential ... grabbed a woman by her pussy
[2016-10-10 19:53:16] Dtrade16 : Nice
[2016-10-10 19:53:23] Dtrade16 : lol
[2016-10-10 19:53:53] justinlooking : Dtrade16: aws
[2016-10-10 19:54:20] Dtrade16 : Amazon?
[2016-10-10 19:54:26] justinlooking : yeh
[2016-10-10 19:54:41] Dtrade16 : Nice
[2016-10-10 19:54:57] Dtrade16 : But that's only if you're creating your own bot right?
[2016-10-10 19:55:38] sleger : no you can create someone else's bot of course
[2016-10-10 19:56:08] Dtrade16 : Wht?
[2016-10-10 19:57:45] justinlooking : sleger i got something cool to show u
[2016-10-10 19:58:02] sleger : not your body parts again please ;)
[2016-10-10 19:59:52] justinlooking : lol no. u irc? /msg me on freenode
[2016-10-10 20:00:19] sleger : i dont have that
[2016-10-10 20:00:47] justinlooking : https://kiwiirc.com/client/irc.freenode.net/
[2016-10-10 20:02:31] sleger : whats your username?
[2016-10-10 20:02:37] justinlooking : same
[2016-10-10 20:03:02] sleger : hmm i dont see you
[2016-10-10 20:03:36] sleger : ok got it
[2016-10-10 20:59:30] j8 : i don't see why you would calculate compound interest for the swap. you don't pay interest on previous interest
[2016-10-10 21:00:58] sleger : is that any different than for futures ?
[2016-10-10 21:02:14] sleger : if you receive it you can reinvest it
[2016-10-10 21:02:25] sleger : what matters is the payment frequency to compound or not
[2016-10-10 21:10:04] Dtrade16 : What are these swaps?
[2016-10-10 21:10:18] j8 : i guess, but it's wrong to say that someone who held it paid the compounded amount to hold it. if you want to know what it costs to hold a position of a certain size, simple interest gives the right answer
[2016-10-10 21:10:21] Dtrade16 : How do they work? Are they a lone?
[2016-10-10 21:10:26] Dtrade16 : Loan
[2016-10-10 21:12:59] Dtrade16 : Are the swaps like a futures contract based on interest rates or something?
[2016-10-10 21:17:16] j8 : Dtrade16: it's a bet between traders on the spot price, with a floating interest rate paid between longs and shorts.
[2016-10-10 21:20:01] j8 : it's supposed to be for speculating on the price, but the interest has been so high that it's as much about speculating on the rate
[2016-10-10 21:56:36] RocketScience : Swap is a disgrace because of rates
[2016-10-10 22:47:46] omicron : if its a disgrace why does it have 3400 BTC vol
[2016-10-10 22:48:07] omicron : they not gonna listen to 3 traders in the trollbox. they gonna listen to the vol
[2016-10-10 23:04:45] j8 : well, the reason we have variable funding in the first place is because traders complained about expiries. bitmex is pretty good about considering input from traders.. probably better than any other exchange
[2016-10-10 23:18:25] omicron : theres not a lot of exchanges that have derivatives trading. i think there are like 4
[2016-10-11 00:51:42] Dtrade16 : So you cannot actually loan out money on this site, right?
[2016-10-11 00:52:17] BitMEX_Greg : Dtrade16: That's current.
[2016-10-11 00:52:37] Dtrade16 : Correct you mean? @BitMEX_Greg
[2016-10-11 00:52:41] BitMEX_Greg : Correct*
[2016-10-11 00:52:47] Dtrade16 : True
[2016-10-11 00:53:15] Dtrade16 : Ok, so the swaps are basically a bet on what interest rates are going to be every 8 hours?
[2016-10-11 00:54:07] BitMEX_Greg : Well the swap is more an instrument to trade the spot price of Bitcoin
[2016-10-11 00:54:18] BitMEX_Greg : The interest rates help keep the swap aligned with the spot price
[2016-10-11 00:55:06] Dtrade16 : Ok so these are essentially like futures contracts
[2016-10-11 00:55:28] BitMEX_Greg : Yeah, the interest payment is asimilar to the basis you see on futures contracts
[2016-10-11 00:55:39] Dtrade16 : How do traders know where the price is going to be?
[2016-10-11 00:56:11] BitMEX_Greg : The price of the interest rate or the price of the swap?
[2016-10-11 00:56:22] Dtrade16 : The price of the swap
[2016-10-11 00:56:29] BitMEX_Greg : well that's the question now isn't it
[2016-10-11 00:56:30] Dtrade16 : Price of btc basically, right?
[2016-10-11 00:56:36] Dtrade16 : Yah it is
[2016-10-11 00:56:37] Dtrade16 : Lol
[2016-10-11 00:56:38] BitMEX_Greg : haha
[2016-10-11 00:56:51] Dtrade16 : What are some things that effect price?
[2016-10-11 00:57:05] Dtrade16 : Like, is this market similar to the currency market?
[2016-10-11 00:57:33] BitMEX_Greg : In my experience, I see that traders respond quite strongly to technical levels and trends than anything else
[2016-10-11 00:57:50] Dtrade16 : Ok
[2016-10-11 00:58:16] Dtrade16 : Got it thanks
[2016-10-11 00:59:14] BitMEX_Greg : Take a read of some technical analysis info. Things like Elliot Waves, Support / Resistance Levels, Head & Shoulders, RSI, etc
[2016-10-11 00:59:32] Dtrade16 : True
[2016-10-11 00:59:43] BitMEX_Greg : or more basic ones are the MA + bollinger bands
[2016-10-11 04:05:47] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 1770 @ 624.11
[2016-10-11 04:07:58] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 6 @ 626.86
[2016-10-11 04:07:59] mjones : you watching this
[2016-10-11 04:08:03] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 9000 @ 627.21
[2016-10-11 04:08:10] mjones : fomo is real
[2016-10-11 04:08:16] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 5 @ 628.33
[2016-10-11 04:08:16] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 15 @ 628.69
[2016-10-11 04:08:16] REKT : MOOON TIME!
[2016-10-11 04:08:16] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 100 @ 627.75
[2016-10-11 04:08:25] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 51241 @ 630.11 **EPIC REKT** :unamused: :confounded: :astonished:
[2016-10-11 04:08:26] REKT : Liquidated long on `LTCXBT`: Sell 630 @ 0.00604
[2016-10-11 04:08:47] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 41839 @ 633.56 **MEGA-REKT** :boom:
[2016-10-11 04:08:51] mjones : man
[2016-10-11 04:08:58] mjones : i cant believe i closed my 100x
[2016-10-11 04:09:01] mjones : right before this
[2016-10-11 04:10:36] tb : they knew
[2016-10-11 04:10:45] messiaen8844 : rip bears
[2016-10-11 04:16:21] rapidtrades : sweet gainz
[2016-10-11 04:24:07] REKT : Liquidated long on `XMR7D`: Sell 128 @ 0.010667
[2016-10-11 04:27:05] rapidtrades : ur not so chirpy when ur losing money eh?
[2016-10-11 04:29:05] rapidtrades : PBOC sets USD/CNY central rate at 6.7098 (vs. yesterday at 6.7008
[2016-10-11 04:29:31] Rado : Hello from Las Vegas
[2016-10-11 04:30:00] Rado : My Dec futures feel very lucky right now :)
[2016-10-11 04:30:25] Rado : Why the rise?
[2016-10-11 04:30:41] Rado : I haven't follow anything today
[2016-10-11 04:31:11] Rado : rapidtrades: what's the scoop?
[2016-10-11 04:31:54] rapidtrades : prolly PBOC
[2016-10-11 04:33:02] REKT : Liquidated long on `REP7D`: Sell 3538 @ 0.010169
[2016-10-11 04:33:07] REKT : Liquidated long on `REP7D`: Sell 30 @ 0.010055
[2016-10-11 04:33:07] REKT : Liquidated long on `REP7D`: Sell 2091 @ 0.010068
[2016-10-11 04:33:07] REKT : Liquidated long on `REP7D`: Sell 1845 @ 0.010103
[2016-10-11 04:33:21] laisee : Bitcoin CEO offering bullish views on markets and profit.
[2016-10-11 04:33:24] Rado : K
[2016-10-11 04:33:49] Rado : Bitcoin CEO?
[2016-10-11 04:35:26] laisee : yep.
[2016-10-11 04:36:02] Rado : Who is that?
[2016-10-11 04:37:55] laisee : Mr Karpeles, now retired.
[2016-10-11 04:43:21] REKT : Liquidated long on `REP7D`: Sell 170 @ 0.009359
[2016-10-11 04:43:59] Rado : Whatever it is, I like it
[2016-10-11 04:49:22] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC7D`: Sell 1 @ 0.001824
[2016-10-11 04:58:34] REKT : Liquidated long on `XRP7D`: Sell 500000 @ 0.00001272
[2016-10-11 05:09:35] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETHXBT`: Buy 473 @ 0.01908
[2016-10-11 05:35:00] iisss : what happens to existing positions if you change the leverage ?
[2016-10-11 05:35:36] jose : their margin is updated to new leverage
[2016-10-11 05:36:13] iisss : does that affect the p/l of the position ?
[2016-10-11 05:36:47] jose : just the ROE
[2016-10-11 06:31:34] rapidtrades : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFGiZT-MnI4
[2016-10-11 06:33:05] j8 : just a little fascism, no big deal
[2016-10-11 06:34:05] rapidtrades : or as we like to call it, law and order
[2016-10-11 06:35:52] laisee : and trains that run on time. all good.
[2016-10-11 09:39:32] zanza : ViaBTC announcement
[2016-10-11 09:43:14] Kalman : what does it say?
[2016-10-11 10:00:28] zanza : they are blocking SegWit for now
[2016-10-11 10:02:02] RocketScience : Chandler Guo: Revolution revolution revolution
[2016-10-11 10:02:23] RocketScience : watch out for btc move
[2016-10-11 10:06:22] habibi : link?
[2016-10-11 10:11:39] BTCDJS : not blocking. just allocating all their hash power to Bitcoin Unlimited
[2016-10-11 10:12:07] BTCDJS : their 5th largest miner
[2016-10-11 10:12:15] BTCDJS : they are
[2016-10-11 10:12:21] RocketScience : https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/56wqro/bitcoin_core_hash_rate_now_below_90_for_the_first/
[2016-10-11 10:12:40] RocketScience : 95% is needed for segwit soft fork
[2016-10-11 10:31:29] zanza : personally I hope SegWit fails, seems needlesly convoluteed
[2016-10-11 10:32:44] rapidtrades : https://www.reddit.com/r/BitcoinMarkets/comments/56ulqk/bitfinex_now_locking_funds_demanding_amlkyc/
[2016-10-11 10:32:54] rapidtrades : https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/56t9d4/bitfinex_has_frozen_my_unverified_cryptotrading/
[2016-10-11 10:38:06] BTCDJS : rapidtrades: just ask them nicely to give you your money back. Those bfs tokens are going to be worth thousands one day. HODL
[2016-10-11 10:38:18] BTCDJS : BFX*
[2016-10-11 10:39:33] RocketScience : Does liquidation happen when you hit mark price or onderlying asset price?
[2016-10-11 10:39:54] RocketScience : on futures
[2016-10-11 10:39:56] habibi : mark price
[2016-10-11 10:41:27] Tetsuo : lol, withdraw blocking and demanding KYCAML, total Gox style
[2016-10-11 10:47:36] habibi : lol u guys are paranoid
[2016-10-11 10:55:24] rapidtrades : habibi: found the token holder
[2016-10-11 11:01:34] rapidtrades : I bailed on btc-e too....3/1 leverage is not enough for the risk imo
[2016-10-11 11:01:58] rapidtrades : plus the started charging interest rates few months ago with no warning
[2016-10-11 11:03:35] habibi : yep, this is the best part. u have been spamming chat for months about how bad bitfinex treated u with theirs solution, and u only mentioned once that u got rekt on btce coz their faults, no private investigation, no suing them...
[2016-10-11 11:04:05] rapidtrades : i lost $30...cos of their mistake
[2016-10-11 11:04:17] rapidtrades : and i withdrew my funds...what more do u want troll
[2016-10-11 11:04:59] rapidtrades : they didn't wreck ppl...the executions happened close to market...just the bids/asks were funky and caused liqs
[2016-10-11 11:05:10] habibi : u have law degree, u know what to do :) how much u lost on bitfinex taking actual price of tokens ? 200$ maybe?
[2016-10-11 11:05:45] rapidtrades : doesn't matter
[2016-10-11 11:06:06] habibi : ye, then doesn't matter as well in btce case.
[2016-10-11 11:06:32] rapidtrades : u want me to sue over $30? lol
[2016-10-11 11:06:55] rapidtrades : a technical glitch ain't the same thing as a dishonest behavior
[2016-10-11 11:07:01] habibi : i want u to stop talking about imaginary actions u would take if... just do sth and stop crying here
[2016-10-11 11:07:15] rapidtrades : u started the convo idiot
[2016-10-11 11:07:23] habibi : lol of course i did
[2016-10-11 11:07:31] rapidtrades : 13:03 - habibi: yep, this is the best part. u have been spamming chat for months about how bad bitfinex treated u with theirs solution, and u only mentioned once that u got rekt on btce coz their faults, no private investigation, no suing them...
[2016-10-11 11:07:35] habibi : didn't want to see another big monoloque of urs
[2016-10-11 11:07:56] rapidtrades : wow ur an ass
[2016-10-11 11:08:04] rapidtrades : no wonder hitler had it in for u guys
[2016-10-11 11:08:41] habibi : u won, again :)
[2016-10-11 11:10:52] laisee : isn't everyone happy with rising market? seems like no.
[2016-10-11 11:11:21] rapidtrades : looks like the jew above missed the boat
[2016-10-11 11:11:30] rapidtrades : seems quite miserable
[2016-10-11 11:11:34] daveberns1 : damn, i actually kinda miss quantos
[2016-10-11 11:11:53] rapidtrades : we all miss quantos....dunno what they were thinking
[2016-10-11 11:12:00] rapidtrades : it's the most requested contract
[2016-10-11 11:12:22] rapidtrades : that's why i came here in the first place
[2016-10-11 11:12:36] daveberns1 : wow, low funding rate on that perpetual currently
[2016-10-11 11:12:39] daveberns1 : so random
[2016-10-11 11:13:12] rapidtrades : 0.08% still seems kinda high if ur long :)
[2016-10-11 11:13:33] BitMEX_Wally : Everyone was interested in going long the quantos, but no market maker was interested in going short...
[2016-10-11 11:13:57] rapidtrades : BitMEX_Wally: i never went long on the long-term ones
[2016-10-11 11:14:01] daveberns1 : im just looking at mark to index, so i guess that would be related to the next funding
[2016-10-11 11:14:13] rapidtrades : pretty sure sleger was systematically selling them too
[2016-10-11 11:14:18] rapidtrades : most of the time
[2016-10-11 11:19:39] rapidtrades : Yuan 6.7275...prolly fueling this move higher
[2016-10-11 11:31:05] daveberns1 : Ahhh the good ole RMB
[2016-10-11 11:37:09] rapidtrades : discount
[2016-10-11 11:37:10] RocketScience : as a chinese central banker i would frontrun the devaluation and go 100x bitcoin :D
[2016-10-11 11:37:51] rapidtrades : im not that would be a profitable move :)
[2016-10-11 11:39:05] rapidtrades : i forgot this >>>> sure
[2016-10-11 12:17:26] subjective : When are we going to settle PNL today on XBTUSD market?
[2016-10-11 12:18:02] RocketScience : never
[2016-10-11 12:18:34] RocketScience : you have to sell (to realize profits) and then you can buy more
[2016-10-11 12:20:01] RocketScience : someone confirm..
[2016-10-11 12:20:42] rapidtrades : i confirm
[2016-10-11 12:21:11] BitMEX_Wally : Yes, now we have moved from DPE to ADL, we got rid of withheld profit, so no need for rebalancing
[2016-10-11 12:21:24] rapidtrades : only the funding fees change hands
[2016-10-11 12:21:53] BitMEX_Wally : Yes, the funding fees, and realised PNL is released to your wallet immediately. Then unrealised PNL stays unrealised until you exit the position
[2016-10-11 12:22:24] RocketScience : I pray for QE infinity in Japan .> yen goes lower, btc denominated in yen goes higher :)
[2016-10-11 12:23:03] RocketScience : i thought about how btc/jpy pair is dependent on forex
[2016-10-11 12:23:55] RocketScience : because we could say bitcoin is denominated in dollars and yuan. So if JPY devalues against these two, the btc price in jpy rises
[2016-10-11 12:29:14] rapidtrades : Yen is up 17% this year
[2016-10-11 12:29:22] rapidtrades : so gl with that
[2016-10-11 12:30:55] aethlios : if bitfinex collects 35 mill. they will be able to redeem all remaining bfx coins (half will remain).
[2016-10-11 12:32:29] Kalman : they dont get cash!!
[2016-10-11 12:32:49] Kalman : its just accounting debt -> equity
[2016-10-11 12:33:02] rapidtrades : yeah aethlios is a bit slow
[2016-10-11 12:33:17] Kalman : future cash flows might pay BFX
[2016-10-11 12:35:54] rapidtrades : I'm sure bitfinex executives will use their profits to pay token holders
[2016-10-11 12:37:05] laisee : Wish you'd bought the debt at 30 cents
[2016-10-11 12:37:38] RocketScience : btc moving in china
[2016-10-11 12:37:57] rapidtrades : laisee: not rly, that would've been stupid
[2016-10-11 12:40:46] rapidtrades : there's not gonna be much profit once the CFTC slaps them a fine
[2016-10-11 12:40:59] rapidtrades : plus the lawsuits
[2016-10-11 12:42:01] rapidtrades : And they can't go full btc-e rouge cos we know who they are plus most live in America LOL
[2016-10-11 12:51:07] REKT : Liquidated long on `XRP7D`: Sell 1975000 @ 0.00001237
[2016-10-11 12:51:07] REKT : Liquidated long on `XRP7D`: Sell 1150000 @ 0.00001238
[2016-10-11 12:52:02] REKT : Liquidated long on `XRP7D`: Sell 111 @ 0.00001231
[2016-10-11 12:56:07] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETHXBT`: Buy 916 @ 0.01905
[2016-10-11 13:07:52] REKT : Liquidated short on `XMR7D`: Buy 2 @ 0.011640
[2016-10-11 13:10:35] REKT : Liquidated short on `XMR7D`: Buy 22 @ 0.012054
[2016-10-11 15:20:48] arbitrage001 : cant believe rtt going for over 9 cents
[2016-10-11 15:21:56] arbitrage001 : was expecting 5 cents at best
[2016-10-11 15:22:18] arbitrage001 : guess i am getting old and outdated
[2016-10-11 15:46:14] mjones : rofl xmr
[2016-10-11 15:47:16] Tetsuo : lol
[2016-10-11 15:47:23] tusk : Hi if my Wallet Ball, Aval Bal and Withdraw Bal are all the same can i withdraw the full amount?
[2016-10-11 15:47:46] tusk : doesent seem to allow me 2?
[2016-10-11 15:50:16] mjones : Withdrawable Balance is what you can withdraw
[2016-10-11 15:50:22] mjones : (once a day)
[2016-10-11 15:50:34] mjones : which is in 21 hours 10 minutes
[2016-10-11 15:51:54] tusk : Ok Ty MJ
[2016-10-11 15:54:37] tusk : I made 0.7 btc trading Zcash but have no clue what I was doing and didnt know how to exit the positions, this is way deeper then polo, got the freight of my life
[2016-10-11 16:04:45] wurstgelee : btc showing life again
[2016-10-11 16:05:54] wurstgelee : yep
[2016-10-11 16:23:33] TL123 : Polo smooth sailing 2.5x leverage. Enter this madness. 25x+
[2016-10-11 16:28:04] jung1 : hello
[2016-10-11 16:28:12] jung1 : how are your longs?
[2016-10-11 16:28:37] jung1 : tusk: oh shit ceo of UE are here
[2016-10-11 16:29:21] TL123 : GINA duppel topper massiver dumper?
[2016-10-11 16:42:01] RocketScience : dump failed
[2016-10-11 17:19:34] REKT : Liquidated long on `REP7D`: Sell 2 @ 0.009704
[2016-10-11 19:26:07] REKT : Liquidated long on `LTCXBT`: Sell 1495 @ 0.00598
[2016-10-11 19:26:27] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 3500 @ 637.63
[2016-10-11 19:32:03] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 1 @ 0.01847
[2016-10-11 19:32:03] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 505 @ 0.01838
[2016-10-11 19:32:03] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 2490 @ 0.01837
[2016-10-11 19:32:03] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 2660 @ 0.01846
[2016-10-11 19:32:36] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 240 @ 0.01821
[2016-10-11 19:32:45] wurstgelee : kinda silent here regarding recent btc action
[2016-10-11 19:33:11] arbitrage001 : wurstgelee: check out eth right now
[2016-10-11 19:33:20] arbitrage001 : on poly, even more volatile
[2016-10-11 19:33:28] mjones : Eth rekt
[2016-10-11 19:33:35] wurstgelee : i only play alts when btc is boring tbh
[2016-10-11 19:33:38] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-10-11 19:33:39] mjones : Longs
[2016-10-11 19:35:24] arbitrage001 : looks like eth will be tested again
[2016-10-11 19:35:36] arbitrage001 : 1b market cap coin
[2016-10-11 19:35:51] arbitrage001 : still pretty useless in my opinion so far
[2016-10-11 19:36:17] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 5 @ 638.50
[2016-10-11 19:36:54] RocketScience : i hope we have a good rocket
[2016-10-11 19:37:13] arbitrage001 : RocketScience: cant trade based on hope
[2016-10-11 19:37:42] wurstgelee : not?
[2016-10-11 19:37:44] wurstgelee : damn
[2016-10-11 19:51:40] BTCDJS : RocketScience: yes you can
[2016-10-11 20:25:42] justinlooking : i have 4 small positions on bitmex
[2016-10-11 20:26:13] justinlooking : all are severly offside :/
[2016-10-11 20:26:59] justinlooking : time to average
[2016-10-11 20:29:27] BitMEX_Sam : Offside?
[2016-10-11 20:31:32] justinlooking : yeh, short from below and long from above.. opposite to onside
[2016-10-11 20:33:15] vkvk : Hey, could someone give an example of how the Trade Filter query should look like?
[2016-10-11 20:33:40] justinlooking : vkvk, click a value
[2016-10-11 20:33:51] justinlooking : and then tweak as you wish
[2016-10-11 20:33:52] medpex : hello, someone know if i can install BitMEX Marker Maker on a raspberry pi ?
[2016-10-11 20:34:05] justinlooking : medpex yes u can
[2016-10-11 20:34:43] medpex : nice... have you maby a user manual for this ?
[2016-10-11 20:34:56] justinlooking : the getting started section of the readme has the info you need
[2016-10-11 20:35:12] medpex : Thank you ! :)
[2016-10-11 20:35:24] justinlooking : shout if u get stuck...
[2016-10-11 20:35:35] vkvk : sorry, *Trade History Filter, seems like it expects me to enter JSON or smth... let's say i want to see all Exec Type=Funding transactions
[2016-10-11 20:35:55] sleger : click doesnt work ?
[2016-10-11 20:36:07] justinlooking : `{"execType":"Funding"}`
[2016-10-11 20:36:16] vkvk : oh now it does, awesome thanks
[2016-10-11 20:37:33] BitMEX_Sam : Yeah, you can click most values, if you click another it will chain
[2016-10-11 20:37:35] BitMEX_Sam : It's pretty simple JSON
[2016-10-11 20:39:54] justinlooking : sleger: figured that thing out if u want it
[2016-10-11 20:40:10] sleger : nah, no need, but thanks
[2016-10-11 20:48:29] vkvk : btw the "Unrealised PNL" link on the "Swaps Guide" page is giving 404 error.
[2016-10-11 20:49:56] BitMEX_Greg : vkvk: thanks, a few old links from
[2016-10-11 20:50:06] BitMEX_Greg : ..the document update*
[2016-10-11 20:55:23] vkvk : np, is there a page where i could find a formula for "Realised PNL" on a perpetual swap?
[2016-10-11 21:02:51] vkvk : Seems like the Realised PNL= X - Sum(all funding payments for that swap). trying to figure out what X is...
[2016-10-11 21:03:14] sleger : fees?
[2016-10-11 21:03:39] vkvk : could be
[2016-10-11 21:05:26] justinlooking : close - entry shirley
[2016-10-11 21:06:06] justinlooking : * value ofc
[2016-10-11 21:06:20] justinlooking : `*`
[2016-10-11 21:19:52] BitMEX_Greg : vkvk: This page might help: https://www.bitmex.com/app/pnlGuide
[2016-10-11 21:21:51] vkvk : thanks, Greg. i'll take a look
[2016-10-11 21:29:37] esuvari : BitMEX_Greg: so with this new auto deleverage thing, does it mean positions get incrementally liquidated?
[2016-10-11 21:30:10] esuvari : or is it like once index price is below liq. price you lost your entire stash?
[2016-10-11 21:49:05] justinlooking : i am seeing this for 1st time: https://www.bitmex.com/app/autoDeleveragingExamples
[2016-10-11 21:51:36] justinlooking : `Accounts 6 and 5` ??? why is it not 3?
[2016-10-11 21:55:53] lockhedge : guess you are the first who really read it, should be accounts 3 and 6
[2016-10-11 21:56:59] lockhedge : or just account 3 as you said...
[2016-10-11 22:07:23] justinlooking : pages mention "Examples" in multi places, but htere is only one, maybe it got arthur'd
[2016-10-11 22:11:35] j8 : esuvari: there are incremental liquidations (sort of) if you're on a higher risk limit. check References->Liquidation. not sure how well it works, can't really count on it
[2016-10-11 22:15:07] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC7D`: Sell 2000 @ 0.001696
[2016-10-11 22:16:32] jordanbitfort : hahaha longing etc
[2016-10-11 22:16:53] esuvari : lockhedge: nope, accounts 2 & 5 it should be
[2016-10-11 22:17:08] esuvari : they mixed account numbers with PNL ranking
[2016-10-11 22:18:09] esuvari : and from what I understand, there's no such thing as going 50x at the beginning of a rally and ride it till the end with mad profits anymore.
[2016-10-11 22:19:01] j8 : they also say 6th is a higher rank than 1st. ok I guess, but that's confusing
[2016-10-11 22:19:43] sleger : maybe because they're the 6th largest usd exchange ?
[2016-10-11 22:19:53] esuvari : someone with the opposite position is bound to get liquidated and they force you to cover your position
[2016-10-11 22:20:25] esuvari : that's bullshit. what's the benefit of high leverage then?
[2016-10-11 22:22:56] BitMEX_Greg : esuvari: liquidation still occur similar to the DPE system
[2016-10-11 22:23:34] esuvari : BitMEX_Greg: yes, I understand what autodeleverage means now. but I'm very much dissappointed to be honest
[2016-10-11 22:24:37] esuvari : it's basically force-closing positions.
[2016-10-11 22:25:55] esuvari : liquidation in profits in a way.
[2016-10-11 22:27:48] BitMEX_Greg : esuvari: We have aimed to make the autodeleveraging as fair as possible
[2016-10-11 22:28:38] omicron : holy shit what happened to btc price over the last 24 hrs? Looks like someone grabbed it by the pussy
[2016-10-11 22:29:04] BitMEX_Greg : lol
[2016-10-11 22:29:14] BitMEX_Greg : Catchphrase of the year
[2016-10-11 22:30:45] jtrade26381 : last time BTC rallied bitmex had to change rules on the fly. hypothetically, would bitmex need to change any rules again this time if we go straight to $1000?
[2016-10-11 22:31:02] esuvari : so liquidated contracts don't go in the orderbook anymore, do I understand correctly?
[2016-10-11 22:31:11] omicron : jtrade26381: yes, they would need to grab the swap by the pussy
[2016-10-11 22:31:48] jtrade26381 : omicron: or traders by the balls
[2016-10-11 22:32:09] omicron : well yea, if it worked for trump...
[2016-10-11 22:32:45] justinlooking : jtrade26381: what could they change? Increase funding rate cap?
[2016-10-11 22:33:04] esuvari : instead of allowing some new trader to buy liquidated contracts off the market, you forcefully make winning positions to buy them
[2016-10-11 22:33:17] BitMEX_Greg : jtrade26381: Unlikely, there are always going to be a few kinks that need to be worked out. We believe that our risk limit system, funding system and ADL system are well prepared for any extreme volatile movements.
[2016-10-11 22:33:30] omicron : no funding will shoot up or market makers will be pissed
[2016-10-11 22:33:37] BitMEX_Greg : esuvari: Liquidations will still enter orderbook first before deleveraging other positions
[2016-10-11 22:34:08] jtrade26381 : BitMEX_Greg: thanks
[2016-10-11 22:34:09] esuvari : how long do they stay there? when does the deleveraging other positions take place?
[2016-10-11 22:34:57] esuvari : when the price movement is too fast and it gets lost deep in the orderbook I imagine?
[2016-10-11 22:36:17] j8 : insurance fund will be depleted first to move liqs into the book. but, we still can't see the insurance per contract
[2016-10-11 22:36:19] BitMEX_Greg : esuvari: Deleveraging occurs when the mark price drops to the bankruptcy price
[2016-10-11 22:36:43] BitMEX_Greg : j8: Its in development to provide more details about the insurance fund per contract
[2016-10-11 22:37:32] j8 : been on the list long enough imo
[2016-10-11 22:39:43] esuvari : what is the bankruptcy price?
[2016-10-11 22:41:02] BitMEX_Greg : esuvari: The price at which the liquidated position's margin is equal to 0
[2016-10-11 22:43:58] sleger : BitMEX_Greg: hey maybe you could give us a current breakdown of the insurance fund per contract while we wait for that development to be finished ?
[2016-10-11 22:44:48] wurstgelee : how hard can it be to develop that overview anyways?.... ;)
[2016-10-11 22:44:57] wurstgelee : if all data is available
[2016-10-11 22:51:16] BitMEX_Greg : sleger: I don't have access to that information
[2016-10-11 22:51:35] sleger : no worries
[2016-10-11 22:51:44] sleger : I feel like noone else does :p
[2016-10-11 23:08:41] wurstgelee : aaand the woodchipper made a new high
[2016-10-11 23:08:44] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-10-11 23:14:35] justinlooking : afraid to go to sleep
[2016-10-11 23:16:09] BitMEX_Greg : justinlooking: Freddy Krueger isn't real..
[2016-10-11 23:27:34] REKT : Liquidated long on `REP7D`: Sell 60 @ 0.008821
[2016-10-11 23:46:22] Rado : lol BitMEX_Greg
[2016-10-12 00:17:15] messiaen8844 : GBPUSD :D :D :D :D
[2016-10-12 00:17:42] messiaen8844 : Augur to 0.006, nice fibo extension 100%
[2016-10-12 01:25:28] omicron : bitmex, aren't you worried about regulators in EU coming after you?
[2016-10-12 01:25:33] omicron : or other countries
[2016-10-12 01:52:51] REKT : Liquidated short on `XMR7D`: Buy 100 @ 0.011875
[2016-10-12 01:59:34] mjones : etc down a bunch
[2016-10-12 02:01:20] mjones : 337 BTC holding the price up
[2016-10-12 02:05:51] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBJ7D`: Sell 1500 @ 66259
[2016-10-12 02:06:05] mjones : holy shit
[2016-10-12 02:06:06] mjones : 100x
[2016-10-12 02:06:06] chromaticcr1 : more fomo in XBTUSD with 100x
[2016-10-12 02:06:12] chromaticcr1 : great
[2016-10-12 02:06:31] mjones : only thing that'll suck is paying the funding fee
[2016-10-12 02:07:10] messiaen8844 : Existing contracts still 50x?
[2016-10-12 02:07:13] jose : it means 13% at 100x lol
[2016-10-12 02:07:36] BitMEX_Arthur : messiaen8844: Whatever leverage you had selected will not change, but you now have the option for 100x
[2016-10-12 02:07:37] messiaen8844 : casino opened
[2016-10-12 02:07:46] messiaen8844 : right, thanks arthur
[2016-10-12 02:11:42] mjones : watch everyone on 100x gets auto closed in profit during a pump or dump and miss out on profit
[2016-10-12 02:12:37] jose : you dont understand, the profit you miss out is money that doesnt exist
[2016-10-12 02:12:38] omicron : its called adl @mjones
[2016-10-12 02:12:44] BitMEX_Wally : mjones: If they get ADL on a pump and dump then they would be closed out at a profit
[2016-10-12 02:13:02] omicron : its just less profit
[2016-10-12 02:13:27] jose : less porift only if it continues to pump
[2016-10-12 02:13:41] omicron : BitMEX_Wally: you dont have any regulatory pressure from EU countries?
[2016-10-12 02:14:10] BitMEX_Wally : omicron: We're not in the EU
[2016-10-12 02:15:13] omicron : BitMEX_Wally: So then you are not subject to EU regs? But you are not in US either, why dont you take US users
[2016-10-12 02:17:27] BitMEX_Wally : The CFTC asserts extra-territorial jurisdiction over non-US companies
[2016-10-12 02:17:46] omicron : ah... im guessing EU does not?
[2016-10-12 02:49:22] omicron : I hope you guys have legal guidance on accepting EU citizens. Could get messy
[2016-10-12 03:07:22] mjones : end of etc? short it to the ground
[2016-10-12 03:26:28] omicron : can anyone who got ADL'd tell me their experience.
[2016-10-12 03:26:38] omicron : was it good or bad
[2016-10-12 03:29:01] omicron : were there a lot of them during the move up? whats the % risk of ADL on a move up like that? this would help me greatly to trade
[2016-10-12 03:31:12] omicron : BitMEX_Wally: can you help me? what is the percent of contracts that got ADL on the big move up
[2016-10-12 03:31:16] omicron : approx
[2016-10-12 03:33:15] BitMEX_Wally : omicron: ADL has only occurred on ZECZ16
[2016-10-12 03:33:43] omicron : impressive. So no ADL on XBT. this is very encouraging