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[2016-10-05 20:40:19] wurstgelee : if not less
[2016-10-05 20:40:26] BitMEX_Greg : Thanks for the feedback,
[2016-10-05 20:40:32] Tetsuo : ADL totally kills the fun out XBJZ16. First i was glad about no more annoying funding in swaps, no there´s ADL. I think i might go back to the woodchipper for tradin BTC/USD
[2016-10-05 20:40:39] wurstgelee : for example i like keeping stuff open if i am going on vacation for a week...
[2016-10-05 20:40:44] BitMEX_Greg : In any case, we aim to reduce ADL as much as possible by attempting to fill liquidations in the market
[2016-10-05 20:40:49] Tetsuo : ^this
[2016-10-05 20:40:55] BitMEX_Greg : for any of you wondering why we kept the insurance fund
[2016-10-05 20:40:58] BitMEX_Greg : this is why
[2016-10-05 20:41:27] sleger : no lap dance ?
[2016-10-05 20:41:43] BitMEX_Greg : We are also looking at a system of possibly automatically re-entering into a position after being autodeleveraged
[2016-10-05 20:41:52] Tetsuo : i´m goin on vacation for 6 weeks in december, but there´s no point in opening a 3 months future, if it could get closed out after a week
[2016-10-05 20:42:03] wurstgelee : Tetsuo: that :)
[2016-10-05 20:42:16] BitMEX_Greg : I.e. if you check a preference of having a market order submitted, a max limit order, or some other preference that the user selects
[2016-10-05 20:42:22] MrRGnome : But doesn't that mean the auto-deleveragy suffer the slippage? @BitMEX_Greg
[2016-10-05 20:43:00] wurstgelee : BitMEX_Greg: if i open a long term position, i want it to stay open until i close it or mc. this is impossible @ bitmex now
[2016-10-05 20:43:12] BitMEX_Greg : it's up to the user as to how they want to re-enter, if they want the immediacy then they may suffer slippage. That is why we are looking at an option to have a limit order too
[2016-10-05 20:43:25] MrRGnome : That's a (pun intended) slipper slope. As much as I hate you exiting positions for me, I think I hate you entering them for me as much if not more unless you can get me the same price
[2016-10-05 20:43:41] MrRGnome : So long as that option is up to me then that's not too bad
[2016-10-05 20:43:42] wurstgelee : MrRGnome: exactly
[2016-10-05 20:43:43] BitMEX_Greg : As I said, it would be a user preference
[2016-10-05 20:43:47] wurstgelee : i want them to stay open ffs
[2016-10-05 20:44:06] BitMEX_Greg : We wouldn't automatically open a position for them unless they wanted it (by checking a preference box in the settings for example)
[2016-10-05 20:44:08] MrRGnome : What I really need as a trader is warning
[2016-10-05 20:44:10] wurstgelee : not getting closed because someone else fucked up his position....
[2016-10-05 20:44:36] wurstgelee : the fact someone else's incompetence closed my profitable position is basically unbearable
[2016-10-05 20:44:39] MrRGnome : This light system isn't doing it for me. I need a legitimate idea of when I am going to be force liquidated if it's a necessary evil
[2016-10-05 20:44:54] BitMEX_Sam : If your idea is to open a hedge, DPE was worse in a lot of respects.
[2016-10-05 20:44:58] wurstgelee : also no clue what those annoying are telling me. they change every few mins or so
[2016-10-05 20:45:00] BitMEX_Sam : MrRGnome: No other platform even gives you any indication.
[2016-10-05 20:45:08] wurstgelee : *lights
[2016-10-05 20:45:21] BitMEX_Greg : wurstgelee: As Sam was saying, we need to have a system that offsets the ability to offer high leverage. By doing so increases moral hazard and increases the risk of unfilled liquidations. If we didn't have ADL then you may be in a position where 90% of your profits may be re-distributed
[2016-10-05 20:45:21] MrRGnome : So @BitMEX_Sam I love your platform It's great. I clearly think it's better than others or I wouldn't be using it
[2016-10-05 20:45:25] MrRGnome : Please dont' get defensive guys
[2016-10-05 20:45:30] wurstgelee : they are red 90% anyways...
[2016-10-05 20:45:49] wurstgelee : BitMEX_Greg: i prefer that over getting force-closed tbh
[2016-10-05 20:46:23] BitMEX_Greg : wurstgelee: Please understand that this week is doing to be different than normal given we introduced the ADL system on Monday, and most users "average entry price" is the rebalance price.
[2016-10-05 20:46:31] BitMEX_Greg : wurstgelee: One of the few then.
[2016-10-05 20:46:36] wurstgelee : maybe
[2016-10-05 20:46:57] MrRGnome : If you genuinely believe your solution to this impossible problem is above improvement or criticism maybe you think you're just a little too much better than the competition.
[2016-10-05 20:47:02] wurstgelee : i bet there are others who want to do they "lazy" stuff of getting into a position and not caring about it for weeks...
[2016-10-05 20:47:12] BitMEX_Greg : I will be surprised if we see the events you are happening to be as frequent from next week onwards
[2016-10-05 20:47:56] arbitrage001 : to be honest, i prefer less leverage
[2016-10-05 20:47:58] BitMEX_Sam : MrRGnome: That's not what we're saying, we're saying that this is a very hard problem that nobody has yet solved - we're doing what we can and we firmly believe this is better than what else is out there
[2016-10-05 20:48:01] BitMEX_Greg : MrRGnome: We do not believe that at all. I would say we are one of the most adaptable exchanges out there. Are we not engaging with you guys now to find out?
[2016-10-05 20:49:18] MrRGnome : BitMEX_Sam: You guys are, but you keep pointing to other exchanges as your defence. Is your idea not sufficient to stand on it's own against what it could be and how your traders interact with it? We're having problems. I am having problems. I need better tools to quantify my risk. I need more warning when I'm about to be force closed
[2016-10-05 20:49:33] wurstgelee : BitMEX_Sam: @BitMEX_Greg maybe u are right. maybe not. right now - with current ADL behavior vs old DPE - i would prefer DPE
[2016-10-05 20:49:38] wurstgelee : surprise me ;)
[2016-10-05 20:49:52] BitMEX_Sam : MrRGnome: There's not an easy solution.
[2016-10-05 20:50:03] BitMEX_Sam : You can't have it all - high leverage, no clawback risk. It doesn't exist
[2016-10-05 20:50:11] MrRGnome : I know that.
[2016-10-05 20:50:16] BitMEX_Sam : Nobody can offer that, it's varying degrees of compromises to shift the hazard.
[2016-10-05 20:50:39] wurstgelee : i will be pissed every single time i get force-closed out of a profitable position tho. especially the ones on low volume contracts like ZEC...
[2016-10-05 20:50:46] MrRGnome : Which is why, accepting ADL as a necessary evil, what are some ways to make it more transparent without exposing others positions, what are some ways to notify users with more reliability than this light system that they are going to be force closed?
[2016-10-05 20:50:52] wurstgelee : u guys have a clue how long it took me to build that cheap long? :P
[2016-10-05 20:50:55] BitMEX_Sam : So no, you can't simultaneously open a position for 3M, let it lie, and have a highly-leveraged market. Nobody can offer that. You can either work on a market that offers minimal or no leverage, or watch your position.
[2016-10-05 20:51:34] BitMEX_Sam : MrRGnome: I'm not sure. We have to balance the two - like Greg was saying the lights will be much more granular in the future as more positions are opened and the last rebalance is farther in the past.
[2016-10-05 20:52:13] BitMEX_Sam : It's of course not possible to anticipate liquidations or market movements, so the best we can give you is an idea of your place in the queue.
[2016-10-05 20:53:00] BitMEX_Sam : We're of course open to suggestions which is why we're chatting here in the first place.
[2016-10-05 20:53:15] MrRGnome : But if I'm #1 in the queue (red) with these minor positions, what logic does that tell me to execute? Get out while you can? Don't trade today?
[2016-10-05 20:53:58] sleger : it tells you to close and reopen agaisnt your second account to put back the unrealised profit to zero and lower your position in the queue
[2016-10-05 20:54:12] sleger : and let someone take the hit
[2016-10-05 20:54:15] sleger : *someone else
[2016-10-05 20:55:06] MrRGnome : I don't know what it tells me. Right now these lights aren't much use to me.
[2016-10-05 20:55:29] wurstgelee : sleger: haha :üp
[2016-10-05 20:55:31] wurstgelee : :)
[2016-10-05 20:57:32] wurstgelee : sleger: thats probably the best explanation for those lights possible
[2016-10-05 20:57:35] wurstgelee : i can work with that
[2016-10-05 21:01:34] mjones : i have a personal light question
[2016-10-05 21:01:42] Tetsuo : i really like this place, because i think they are probably the only ones who aren´t led by total crooks, but for now i think i might get back to the woodchipper. Alt´s are probably dyin anyway in the next weeks.
[2016-10-05 21:02:58] Tetsuo : I´m goin full retard long on quarterlys @okc, when my gut tells me it´s right. it seems too dangerous to me in here with ADl and all those changes poppin up every week
[2016-10-05 21:03:23] mjones : yeah last thing we need is mr. 100k short getting margin called during a 5% pump
[2016-10-05 21:03:27] mjones : and a bunch of people get auto closed
[2016-10-05 21:03:39] mjones : and then price continues going up without them
[2016-10-05 21:06:44] BitMEX_Greg : I think once we have a normal ADL market after this Friday, then you won't be seeing positions automatically be in a red light indication.
[2016-10-05 21:07:08] BitMEX_Greg : That doesn't necessarily mean you will be autodeleveraged anyway. It just means you are in the top 20%
[2016-10-05 21:07:15] BitMEX_Greg : And that is only if there is a liquidation
[2016-10-05 21:07:33] sleger : Tetsuo: paying that 20$ premium ?
[2016-10-05 21:07:33] BitMEX_Greg : and only if that liquidation does not get filled, even after we have gone through the stages of aggressing it
[2016-10-05 21:09:04] BitMEX_Greg : I think because you guys are seeing the red lights you are getting scared of being closed out. In reality, the chances of being closed due to a deleverage is somewhat similar to when we had DPE (which was extremely rare)
[2016-10-05 21:10:03] Tetsuo : sleger: it usually takes a huge crash, to get quaterlys down near spot, and i´m not seein it in the next time. 3% ain´t that much for quarterlys on okc, we had up to 10% before, during pumps. 3 is quite civilized in my opinion.
[2016-10-05 21:10:15] wurstgelee : yes. but u had dpe on that position until next rebalance. your position stayed open
[2016-10-05 21:10:30] wurstgelee : better than getting force-closed and having no position imo
[2016-10-05 21:10:30] sleger : I agre, but I prefer to enter on crashes when it's barely above spot @Tetsuo
[2016-10-05 21:10:57] sleger : and if there is a crash in 2 weeks then you lose the crash PLUS the $20 premium
[2016-10-05 21:16:12] Tetsuo : okc normally doesn´t get rid of the premium at the first stage of a crash, IF one should, so my crash risk isn´t higher than here on aynone else, it often takes stage 3 or 4 of a crash, to wipe away the premium.
[2016-10-05 21:17:11] Tetsuo : only crash i could think of now, is a chinese block limit hard fork, other than that i´m not so cared about it, stops still realtively tight @ 3-5%
[2016-10-05 21:19:07] Tetsuo : *sorry for typos , drunk as fuck
[2016-10-05 21:49:50] rapidtrades : sleger: how are rollover rates where u trade forex?
[2016-10-05 22:21:09] Rado : BitMEX_Greg: The Margin box used to have a basic and advanced view
[2016-10-05 22:21:13] Rado : I only see the basic now
[2016-10-05 22:21:19] Rado : how do I change it?
[2016-10-05 22:22:28] BitMEX_Sam : Rado: ADL no longer requires withheld profit, so those margin lines have been eliminated.
[2016-10-05 22:22:50] BitMEX_Sam : Because of that, there was next to no difference between the basic & advanced view, so we eliminated the basic view - what you're seeing is all data now.
[2016-10-05 22:22:52] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 300 @ 0.02128
[2016-10-05 22:23:02] Rado : Thank BitMEX_Sam
[2016-10-05 22:23:05] Rado : makes sense
[2016-10-05 22:23:15] BitMEX_Sam : It's a nice simplification. :)
[2016-10-05 22:24:01] zanza : chaep XMR guys
[2016-10-05 22:24:02] habibi : BitMEX_Sam: could u comment on adding rep? i guess xrp is not on top list priority anymore
[2016-10-05 22:24:05] zanza : limited time offer
[2016-10-05 22:24:24] BitMEX_Sam : habibi: They're both coming, just finished some necessary dev work for XRP as well
[2016-10-05 22:24:28] BitMEX_Sam : We expect them live in the next few hours
[2016-10-05 22:24:49] habibi : Awesome, hope there will be volume here on xrp as well
[2016-10-05 22:25:16] BitMEX_Sam : REP & XRP are both in Testnet.
[2016-10-05 23:17:49] habibi : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNtNuVe4s48
[2016-10-06 01:23:02] sleger : make etc, xmr monthly instead of 7d ?
[2016-10-06 01:25:34] BitMEX_Greg : sleger: I'll bring it up, may be easier now with ADL
[2016-10-06 01:26:33] sleger : ask around but i feel like people would prefer it]
[2016-10-06 01:28:40] tb : why are all the lights lit for me in the adl queue if im using cross margin?
[2016-10-06 01:29:09] BitMEX_Greg : tb: Your ranking may be affected from your unrealised PNL
[2016-10-06 01:35:22] sleger : you're a victim of being too careful and making money !!
[2016-10-06 01:37:50] sleger : "[2016-10-05 20:19:36] BitMEX_Sam : How about you quit leading me and just tell me what your issue is?" best quote of 2016
[2016-10-06 01:42:28] tb : for the adl system why don't you offer a queue for participants who want to trade against people who get margin called?
[2016-10-06 01:42:38] tb : so those guys' orders are filled first
[2016-10-06 01:43:30] tb : let's say i want to long btc
[2016-10-06 01:43:52] tb : i know sometimes on big down moves people get margin called
[2016-10-06 01:44:35] tb : i can place an order to execute against these margin calls
[2016-10-06 02:17:39] BitMEX_Wally : tb: That's an interesting idea. We'll have a look into doing that
[2016-10-06 02:27:52] alayos : BitMEX_Wally: can I ask what the release ETA for REP trading here?
[2016-10-06 02:29:18] BitMEX_Wally : alayos: Probably today
[2016-10-06 02:29:57] alayos : ok thx, just lining up some BTC deposits for it.
[2016-10-06 03:13:57] BitMEX_Wally : alayos: `REP7D` is live: https://www.bitmex.com/app/trade/REP7D
[2016-10-06 03:14:06] BitMEX_Wally : And `XRP7D` too: https://www.bitmex.com/app/trade/XRP7D
[2016-10-06 03:19:06] alayos : BitMEX_Wally: great, thanks for the heads up
[2016-10-06 03:19:17] Rado : there is the first trade
[2016-10-06 03:47:52] REKT : Liquidated long on `REP7D`: Sell 6 @ 0.01375
[2016-10-06 05:17:22] Chimpindeed : Is Dash worth exploring?
[2016-10-06 05:29:44] rapidtrades : oh loook ripple
[2016-10-06 05:30:39] Chimpindeed : Worth buying now rapid?
[2016-10-06 05:35:49] rapidtrades : haven;t looked at a chart
[2016-10-06 05:53:12] Chimpindeed : K
[2016-10-06 07:44:07] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 300 @ 0.02115
[2016-10-06 08:11:30] jung1 : hello
[2016-10-06 08:19:48] BTCDJS : ha! look at all these new tradables!
[2016-10-06 08:27:19] jung1 : will be funny if zcash will be worth 1btc
[2016-10-06 08:42:28] jung1 : https://asciinema.org/a/ergldrzd43j08klix08hf9yl3
[2016-10-06 08:42:47] jung1 : Lightning ftw
[2016-10-06 09:26:22] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 45 @ 0.02112
[2016-10-06 09:31:22] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 13 @ 0.02107
[2016-10-06 09:33:52] REKT : Liquidated long on `REP7D`: Sell 200 @ 0.01286
[2016-10-06 09:51:35] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 3 @ 0.02097 :punch: :whale:
[2016-10-06 09:52:22] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 80 @ 0.02096
[2016-10-06 09:59:37] rapidtrades : lol
[2016-10-06 09:59:42] rapidtrades : RIP spamcoin
[2016-10-06 10:05:04] jung1 : which one?
[2016-10-06 10:05:30] rapidtrades : ether
[2016-10-06 10:05:44] jung1 : nah
[2016-10-06 10:06:20] jung1 : but imo price will fall
[2016-10-06 10:06:22] jung1 : https://medium.com/@tuurdemeester/why-im-short-ethereum-and-long-bitcoin-aee5b1c198fd#.prjb3wraf
[2016-10-06 10:06:24] jung1 : good read
[2016-10-06 10:08:38] mjones : Why would you long rep. Down it goes
[2016-10-06 10:13:07] REKT : Liquidated long on `REP7D`: Sell 198 @ 0.01097
[2016-10-06 10:13:50] jung1 : I mean middle-long term
[2016-10-06 10:13:51] REKT : Liquidated long on `REP7D`: Sell 2 @ 0.01056 :punch: :whale:
[2016-10-06 10:18:35] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 70 @ 0.02081
[2016-10-06 10:19:07] REKT : Liquidated short on `XMR7D`: Buy 13 @ 0.011695
[2016-10-06 10:19:27] wurstgelee : did REP MM ragequit? :p
[2016-10-06 10:24:07] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 113 @ 0.02076
[2016-10-06 10:27:07] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 20 @ 0.02073
[2016-10-06 10:27:51] justinlooking : sell eth buy xmr, wtf is it opposite day
[2016-10-06 10:40:18] Airmike : guys , could you share link where can I find interest rate during the day on XBTUSD
[2016-10-06 10:40:22] Airmike : ?
[2016-10-06 10:40:26] Airmike : thanks
[2016-10-06 10:41:08] Airmike : funding rate I guess
[2016-10-06 10:41:12] Airmike : I can not find it
[2016-10-06 10:42:02] Airmike : oh I found it
[2016-10-06 10:42:11] Airmike : :)
[2016-10-06 10:42:37] Airmike : https://www.bitmex.com/app/fundingHistory?start=0
[2016-10-06 10:43:18] Airmike : so if this number is 0.0360%
[2016-10-06 10:43:25] Airmike : then I make money ?
[2016-10-06 10:43:49] habibi : BitMEX_Sam: could u call for mm on rep :)?
[2016-10-06 10:44:58] wurstgelee : habibi: that would be helpful
[2016-10-06 10:45:08] wurstgelee : =)
[2016-10-06 10:49:35] habibi : untradeable shit as long as mm will hunt people
[2016-10-06 10:52:59] jung1 : Shortsighted people once laughed at the idea of a $1,000 Bitcoin. Today they laugh at the idea of a 1,000MB block
[2016-10-06 10:54:09] habibi : yea yea keep quoting Ver
[2016-10-06 10:54:22] messiaen8844 : Ver is clueless
[2016-10-06 10:54:30] messiaen8844 : or has hidden agendas
[2016-10-06 10:54:34] messiaen8844 : promoting his altcoins
[2016-10-06 10:54:42] messiaen8844 : big big XMR and ETH pumper
[2016-10-06 10:54:42] habibi : sadly agre
[2016-10-06 10:54:46] habibi : agree*
[2016-10-06 10:54:55] messiaen8844 : once BTC breaks, he will say things are allright
[2016-10-06 10:55:03] messiaen8844 : because he will be long btc
[2016-10-06 10:55:23] jung1 : cmon its true
[2016-10-06 10:55:27] jung1 : really good quote
[2016-10-06 10:55:50] jung1 : bitcoin already died several times
[2016-10-06 10:56:11] jung1 : and imo in future there will be no chain to rule them all
[2016-10-06 10:56:51] habibi : jung1: compared to his Starbucks quote its a good quote, nothing more
[2016-10-06 10:56:54] jung1 : and better to make hype around such coins as xmr or eth than doge or other jokes
[2016-10-06 10:58:46] jung1 : and 1gb blocks are not impossible in future
[2016-10-06 10:59:24] jung1 : internet is faster and cheaper day by day, storage are bigger
[2016-10-06 10:59:32] jung1 : there wil be no problem with this
[2016-10-06 10:59:34] jung1 : at all
[2016-10-06 10:59:58] wurstgelee : seriously... REP MM ffs ;)
[2016-10-06 11:00:16] jung1 : like 15 years ago PCs had like 4gb disk space
[2016-10-06 11:01:14] habibi : BitMEX_Greg: couuld u?
[2016-10-06 11:04:08] habibi : eh thanks for ur respond that tells a lot :D
[2016-10-06 11:06:58] messiaen8844 : don't buy the bitcoin populist agenda, understand the technicals, blockchain is hard as fuck to scale
[2016-10-06 11:07:09] messiaen8844 : and no one found the solution yet
[2016-10-06 11:07:26] messiaen8844 : for massive scaling
[2016-10-06 11:08:24] jung1 : lightning network looks very promissing
[2016-10-06 11:08:34] habibi : lol
[2016-10-06 11:08:38] messiaen8844 : it's a tradeoff, you can scale by centralizing
[2016-10-06 11:08:45] messiaen8844 : look how ETH is centralized
[2016-10-06 11:10:42] dasdfasdf : but it is noncustodial
[2016-10-06 11:10:52] dasdfasdf : lightning nodes cant steal funds
[2016-10-06 11:12:25] wurstgelee : any admin here?
[2016-10-06 11:15:56] jung1 : https://news.bitcoin.com/factom-series-funding-deal-tim-draper/
[2016-10-06 11:16:32] BitMEX_Jinming : wurstgelee: Hello
[2016-10-06 11:18:45] wurstgelee : BitMEX_Jinming: all fine, situation resolved itself
[2016-10-06 11:18:48] wurstgelee : thanks anyways ;)
[2016-10-06 11:19:10] BitMEX_Jinming : wurstgelee: cool :)
[2016-10-06 11:56:25] Guest44061 : hi
[2016-10-06 13:33:07] REKT : Liquidated long on `XMR7D`: Sell 50 @ 0.010950
[2016-10-06 13:45:30] mjones : i love when multiple BTC blocks are found in a short amount of time
[2016-10-06 14:33:45] RocketScience : somebody shorted 2k augur and market spread is awful now :O
[2016-10-06 14:34:14] habibi : technically closed long
[2016-10-06 14:34:33] RocketScience : So i am caught here with my short :O
[2016-10-06 14:34:58] RocketScience : the same thing happened to factom at big dump to 300k...spread was from 300 to 400
[2016-10-06 14:41:18] RocketScience : market maker returned
[2016-10-06 15:06:36] dasdfasdf : anyones orders getting canceled weird, saying it would put into liquidation
[2016-10-06 15:09:45] BitMEX_Wally : dasdfasdf: If you are long, you cannot submit a sell order that would cause you to lose more than you have
[2016-10-06 15:10:26] dasdfasdf : im short trying to go further short
[2016-10-06 15:10:34] dasdfasdf : the order sat out there for a few minutes
[2016-10-06 15:11:04] BitMEX_Wally : Ahh, if you are short you cannot put a sell order above your liquidation price
[2016-10-06 15:11:11] BitMEX_Wally : Basically you cannot catch your own liquidations
[2016-10-06 15:14:35] dasdfasdf : That should not have been the case. It let me put the order in, never was close to my liquidation price
[2016-10-06 15:16:18] BitMEX_Wally : Ok, so the issue in this case was an order cancelation rather than a rejection. You placed an order to sell at 0.0207 when the mark price was 0.0208. This means if the order was filled you would suffer a loss of 0.0001, but that was ok you had available balance to cover it. However the mark price rose to 0.02085 and you no longer had enough margin so the order was cancelled
[2016-10-06 15:24:05] dasdfasdf : my est liquidation price was above 0.021
[2016-10-06 15:38:00] Rado : BitMEX_Wally: is there any particular order for the tabs with all the contracts
[2016-10-06 15:40:43] sleger : semi-alphabetical
[2016-10-06 15:46:06] Rado : lol
[2016-10-06 15:46:12] Rado : not even that
[2016-10-06 15:46:23] Rado : I don't think it's popularity either
[2016-10-06 15:46:52] BitMEX_Sam : It generally goes by popularity, but with some of the new coins less-so.
[2016-10-06 15:47:04] BitMEX_Sam : It's a hardcoded sort order in the trading engine, we just echo it back.
[2016-10-06 15:47:28] Rado : works for now
[2016-10-06 15:47:43] Rado : but when you add more you might want to think of a better way to organize them
[2016-10-06 15:48:28] BitMEX_Sam : Yeah we're getting to that point.
[2016-10-06 15:48:46] Rado : maybe even provide an alternative view which will group swap, 24H, 7D, 3M
[2016-10-06 15:49:59] laisee : allow users to hide completely some coins, like other exchanges
[2016-10-06 15:50:09] Rado : ZEC is crazy
[2016-10-06 15:50:15] Rado : when is ZEC coming out?
[2016-10-06 15:50:20] Rado : can't wait to short it
[2016-10-06 15:50:25] laisee : Xmas day
[2016-10-06 15:50:29] habibi : tomorrow
[2016-10-06 15:50:41] Rado : habibi: tomorrow?
[2016-10-06 15:50:46] trestres : BitMEX_Sam: any chance to have also perpetual on XRP and REP ?
[2016-10-06 15:51:15] habibi : Rado: nope
[2016-10-06 15:51:22] BitMEX_Sam : trestres: Possibly, but we find in practice that alt swaps don't trade very well due to funding rate swings.
[2016-10-06 15:51:46] Rado : BitMEX_Sam: agreed, 7D works much better for alts
[2016-10-06 15:52:13] Rado : actually you should switch LSK, FCT and ETH to 7D
[2016-10-06 15:52:46] trestres : one more question... how is made funding for LSK iif there are no rates on POLO?
[2016-10-06 15:55:39] BitMEX_Wally : The base LSK interest rate is treated as 0 but there's still the XBT rate and the LSKXBT premium index
[2016-10-06 15:56:46] BitMEX_Greg : trestres: Take a look over: https://www.bitmex.com/app/swapsGuide#Premium--Discount-Component
[2016-10-06 15:57:05] trestres : tnks
[2016-10-06 16:05:27] RocketScience : So i am the only one in XRP...
[2016-10-06 16:07:34] rapidtrades : BitMEX_Greg: so everything is now on deleveraging?
[2016-10-06 16:10:44] BitMEX_Sam : rapidtrades: Yes
[2016-10-06 16:12:35] REKT : Liquidated short on `XMR7D`: Buy 98 @ 0.011828
[2016-10-06 16:14:34] RocketScience : xmr /rep parity
[2016-10-06 17:09:32] REKT : Liquidated long on `XRP7D`: Sell 26877 @ 0.00001 **MEGA-REKT** :boom:
[2016-10-06 17:14:06] habibi : maybe increase contract value by 10 or 100 in xrp to make it look better :p
[2016-10-06 17:14:22] BitMEX_Sam : Yeah, we wanted to keep prices at parity with Polo etc so there is less confusion.
[2016-10-06 17:14:33] BitMEX_Sam : I don't like the four leading zeroes either.
[2016-10-06 17:17:24] RocketScience : there will be 5 leading zeros if xrp doesn't get it's act together!
[2016-10-06 17:30:49] BitMEX_Greg : RocketScience: lol
[2016-10-06 17:31:11] BitMEX_Greg : Thoughts about price? I feel like it's time for a dump
[2016-10-06 17:31:50] RocketScience : It would full retrace even if it would be adopted by advanced alien civilization
[2016-10-06 17:37:32] BitMEX_Greg : You think it's fizzled out already?
[2016-10-06 17:50:21] wurstgelee : no coin loves it's retraces like XRP does
[2016-10-06 17:50:26] wurstgelee : that is a fact
[2016-10-06 17:50:30] wurstgelee : DGB comes 2nd
[2016-10-06 17:52:49] BitMEX_Greg : haha
[2016-10-06 17:53:32] cryptobull : Why haven't you guys added dash & doge yet? :)
[2016-10-06 17:54:00] BitMEX_Greg : cryptobull: Dash isn't really popular anymore, neither Doge
[2016-10-06 17:54:48] cryptobull : BitMEX_Greg: ok :)
[2016-10-06 17:59:32] RocketScience : XRP shouldn't go below 1100, but who knows
[2016-10-06 18:03:58] mjones : Xmr yesss
[2016-10-06 18:04:08] REKT : Liquidated short on `XMR7D`: Buy 300 @ 0.012111
[2016-10-06 18:05:11] mjones : Now we wait for noobs to sell and knock price down
[2016-10-06 19:52:01] REKT : Liquidated long on `REP7D`: Sell 101 @ 0.01073
[2016-10-06 19:59:35] jordanbitfort : anybody want to put up some buy orders on REP ;^) i dont wanna dump the whole book
[2016-10-06 19:59:54] BitMEX_Greg : Nice discount right now
[2016-10-06 20:00:43] Kalman : jordanbitfort: put it where it belongs
[2016-10-06 20:12:35] rapidtrades : who wants to sue bitfinex?
[2016-10-06 20:12:40] rapidtrades : they may get the money
[2016-10-06 20:13:10] rapidtrades : cmon u ballless faggots
[2016-10-06 20:13:24] rapidtrades : u have almost nothing to lose
[2016-10-06 20:14:28] justinlooking : how's backtesting going rapid?
[2016-10-06 20:14:32] habibi : jordanbitfort: u know settlement in 15 hours ?
[2016-10-06 20:14:45] rapidtrades : slow that's how @justinlooking
[2016-10-06 20:15:47] justinlooking : what duration and resolution are you using?
[2016-10-06 20:16:10] rapidtrades : u mean timeframe or what
[2016-10-06 20:16:14] rapidtrades : and what is resolution
[2016-10-06 20:17:04] justinlooking : yes, eg 200 days worth of 5 min intervals
[2016-10-06 20:17:58] rapidtrades : hmmm well lately ive been doing monthly charts for the past 10 years mainly
[2016-10-06 20:18:04] rapidtrades : on forex
[2016-10-06 20:23:13] justinlooking : u really need to find/build some tools for that
[2016-10-06 20:29:01] REKT : Liquidated short on `REP7D`: Buy 42 @ 0.01103
[2016-10-06 20:41:19] mjones : 11 million REP. so are we shorting it
[2016-10-06 20:43:02] mjones : of course the n00bs in xmr are back. pumps to 0.0121 so lets dump 2 hours later at 0.014
[2016-10-06 20:43:25] mjones : 0.0114
[2016-10-06 20:43:38] habibi : everytime market goes opposite u, u call them noobs?
[2016-10-06 20:43:55] mjones : i'm just salty i didn't close when i was over 100% in profit knowing settlement is tomorrow
[2016-10-06 20:44:47] mjones : i was hoping it'd go crazy and pump to like 0.014 not to 0.012 and then almost full retrace
[2016-10-06 20:45:17] mjones : anyways. back to looking at charts
[2016-10-06 21:15:02] sq : btc looks like a buy here
[2016-10-06 21:15:47] messiaen8844 : mark pricce looks wrong for rep7D
[2016-10-06 21:16:09] messiaen8844 : polo ar 0.0124
[2016-10-06 21:16:14] messiaen8844 : ?
[2016-10-06 21:17:20] messiaen8844 : ah, 30m average ?
[2016-10-06 21:19:23] BitMEX_Greg : messiaen8844: the Mark price is based off Fair Price Marking: https://www.bitmex.com/app/fairPriceMarking#Calculation-of-Fair-Price-for-Perpetual-Contracts
[2016-10-06 21:19:32] BitMEX_Greg : Sorry that link is for swap contracts
[2016-10-06 21:19:48] BitMEX_Greg : This is the futures link: (or just scroll down): https://www.bitmex.com/app/fairPriceMarking#Calculation-of-Fair-Price-for-Futures-Contracts
[2016-10-06 21:20:02] BitMEX_Greg : There is a % Fair Basis currently included
[2016-10-06 21:21:47] messiaen8844 : thanks
[2016-10-06 21:23:08] wurstgelee : wtf is wrong with the REP orderbook?
[2016-10-06 21:23:21] wurstgelee : looking funny almost all day
[2016-10-06 21:26:42] BitMEX_Greg : wurstgelee: What is funny about it
[2016-10-06 21:27:17] habibi : BitMEX_Greg: spread for example
[2016-10-06 21:27:20] wurstgelee : extremely lopsided all day
[2016-10-06 21:27:22] wurstgelee : also spread
[2016-10-06 21:27:23] habibi : or only mm making only bid side
[2016-10-06 21:27:25] habibi : or sell side
[2016-10-06 21:27:27] habibi : or none
[2016-10-06 21:27:32] wurstgelee : exactly
[2016-10-06 21:27:34] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-10-06 21:28:35] BitMEX_Greg : habibi: Guessing they are hitting their limits
[2016-10-06 21:28:48] BitMEX_Greg : No borrow on REP
[2016-10-06 21:28:53] BitMEX_Greg : limited supply
[2016-10-06 21:29:06] habibi : hm it would be ok if only sell side would be there
[2016-10-06 21:29:07] BitMEX_Greg : He can't be constantly bid is my guess
[2016-10-06 21:29:16] BitMEX_Greg : looks like ask side is in
[2016-10-06 21:29:32] habibi : but then again, at some point only bid side was there so i guess he was trying to encourage bottom shorters to show on bid side
[2016-10-06 21:29:46] mjones : cant refill the side that gets taken out over and over. if price falls they get mega rekt
[2016-10-06 21:40:52] REKT : Liquidated short on `ZECZ16`: Buy 1 @ 0.16060 :punch: :whale:
[2016-10-06 21:46:07] mjones : what kind of insider info is making people buy up zec
[2016-10-06 21:46:20] mjones : till 3 weeks away from launch
[2016-10-06 22:04:34] pigeons : i just keep hearing, better buy some to sell to the greater fool
[2016-10-06 22:09:31] mjones : i mean this could open at $100
[2016-10-06 22:10:46] BitMEX_Sam : It seems euphoria-driven to me, but we'll see
[2016-10-06 22:11:35] pigeons : the mining is poorly thought out. the guy with the most efficent miner and most equipment will get all of it except the 20% founder not-a-premine
[2016-10-06 22:12:31] BitMEX_Sam : pigeons: Well, it seems pretty well thought-out to me, in terms of attempting to prevent advantageous GPU & ASIC mining
[2016-10-06 22:12:46] BitMEX_Sam : However from my understanding the reference CPU miner is as much as 10x slower than an optimized implementation, and GPU miners are already in the wild
[2016-10-06 22:13:03] BitMEX_Sam : They're not a *huge* amount faster than an optimized CPU implementation afaik but it's enough to sow doubt
[2016-10-06 22:14:40] pigeons : there are lots of issues, it is a huge amount faster. 2 boxes gets like 90% more blocks than one even ignoring gpu/cpu
[2016-10-06 22:15:02] pigeons : i'm sorry i mean like more than twice as much not 90%
[2016-10-06 22:15:15] pigeons : the whole thing is a big mess
[2016-10-06 22:17:38] habibi : BitMEX_Sam: many diffrent reports from private guys making own gpu miners but some of them tells 10x more than optimized cpu one
[2016-10-06 22:19:12] BitMEX_Sam : pigeons: The hash timing is pretty crazy, I've seen about 40s per thread, as much as 190s per thread on ARM cores which is basically useless given 150s block timing
[2016-10-06 22:19:21] BitMEX_Sam : habibi: I believe it. And they'll keep it to themselves
[2016-10-06 22:38:34] REKT : Liquidated long on `REP7D`: Sell 10 @ 0.01120
[2016-10-06 22:50:27] WhaleDeluxe : So why is REP lower than on Poloniex? Because you can only short it here? Will it converge closer to expiration?
[2016-10-06 22:52:40] BitMEX_Greg : WhaleDeluxe: That's pretty much the reason. More shorting here so its pushing the price down here
[2016-10-06 22:55:41] mjones : @WhaleDeluxe settlement happens in 13 hours. so people betting price will go down within 13 hours
[2016-10-06 22:55:56] mjones : pretty much pure gambling i say
[2016-10-06 23:28:27] BombaUcigasa : I like the new #rekt progress bar...
[2016-10-07 00:04:34] mjones : seems it was tweaked recently
[2016-10-07 00:04:57] mjones : or maybe more people are in xmr
[2016-10-07 00:24:32] zanza : rapidtrades: did you see that cable crash ?
[2016-10-07 00:34:22] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBJ24H`: Sell 1 @ 63457.0 :punch: :whale:
[2016-10-07 00:40:11] rapidtrades : zanza: yes
[2016-10-07 03:46:33] mjones : Yes xmr new high
[2016-10-07 03:59:59] REKT : Liquidated long on `ZECZ16`: Sell 31 @ 0.12000
[2016-10-07 03:59:59] REKT : Liquidated long on `ZECZ16`: Sell 10 @ 0.11709
[2016-10-07 04:00:42] REKT : Liquidated long on `ZECZ16`: Sell 10 @ 0.09793
[2016-10-07 04:00:42] REKT : Liquidated long on `ZECZ16`: Sell 1 @ 0.09715 :punch: :whale:
[2016-10-07 04:00:42] REKT : Liquidated long on `ZECZ16`: Sell 7 @ 0.09403
[2016-10-07 04:00:42] REKT : Liquidated long on `ZECZ16`: Sell 13 @ 0.08979
[2016-10-07 04:00:42] REKT : Liquidated long on `ZECZ16`: Sell 4 @ 0.09688 :punch: :whale:
[2016-10-07 04:06:18] Tetsuo : lololololol, i guess BTC parity is delayed for a few hours@zcash
[2016-10-07 04:11:12] REKT : Liquidated long on `ZECZ16`: Sell 7 @ 0.10139
[2016-10-07 05:30:32] Tetsuo : nice funding rate@lisk
[2016-10-07 06:13:22] REKT : Liquidated short on `ZECZ16`: Buy 348 @ 0.11781
[2016-10-07 06:14:34] j8 : that's weird
[2016-10-07 06:20:35] Tetsuo : we call it fun
[2016-10-07 06:27:13] j8 : someone just threw away ~16 btc dumping ZEC and getting liquidated
[2016-10-07 06:28:23] rapidtrades : sleger?
[2016-10-07 06:28:53] lord : why the hell was i liquidated after a price increase of 50% if i just have a 1x leverage? I don't get it...
[2016-10-07 06:30:11] rapidtrades : autodeleveraging?
[2016-10-07 06:30:39] rapidtrades : lord: did u win?
[2016-10-07 06:30:44] lord : yes
[2016-10-07 06:31:33] lord : but I wanted to keep the contracts, who can just decide to close them? I thought I have a bet with others here...
[2016-10-07 06:32:35] BitMEX_Arthur : lord: Please send us a support ticket and we can look into your specific question.
[2016-10-07 06:32:52] lord : this is very general
[2016-10-07 06:33:37] lord : is there any way, to not getting auto leveraged?
[2016-10-07 06:33:39] BitMEX_Arthur : Please read this document to learn more about the auto deleveraging process https://www.bitmex.com/app/autoDeleveraging
[2016-10-07 06:34:12] BitMEX_Arthur : lord: No there is no way to completely avoid it, this feature is integral to us being able to offer high leveraged products
[2016-10-07 06:35:43] rapidtrades : not cool man...he got closed at 1 leverage cos he made a profit
[2016-10-07 06:38:25] martyix : Hi, I'm interested in AllOrNone type of order (as specified in https://www.bitmex.com/api/explorer/#!/Order/Order_new) and it says that order then has to specify displayQty = 0.
[2016-10-07 06:38:28] lord : yea and now I can only buy more expensive
[2016-10-07 06:38:46] martyix : So anyone can put hidden orders (i.e. order with displayQty = 0)?
[2016-10-07 06:40:38] BitMEX_Arthur : martyix: Can you submit a support ticket, someone will help you with that
[2016-10-07 06:41:23] martyix : OK, I'll send a ticket. Thanks
[2016-10-07 06:53:46] no : from: https://www.bitmex.com/app/autoDeleveragingExamples "Accounts 6 and 5 will be deleveraged at the bankruptcy price of USD 650. Account 6 will have their entire position of 10 contracts closed, while the remaining 10 contracts from the short liquidation will be assigned to account 5." There must be something I'm missing, if a short of 20 contracts needs to be closed out, should account 3 be deleveraged?
[2016-10-07 06:54:21] no : shouldn't account 3 be deleveraged*
[2016-10-07 06:59:36] BitMEX_Arthur : 3 has the lowest PNL Ranking
[2016-10-07 06:59:42] BitMEX_Arthur : so it will be deleveraged last
[2016-10-07 07:03:35] Tetsuo : In your announcemnet you state that´s it´s all about the level of leverage :"ADL deleverages the highest-leveraged traders who thus pose the biggest risk for other traders. " "Under the ADL system, traders with the highest leverage will be deleveraged first, incentivising lower leverage traders to trade without penalty."
[2016-10-07 07:04:43] BitMEX_Wally : martyix: I have replied to your ticket. Basically anyone can send `displayQty=0` if they want an order to be hidden from the order book.
[2016-10-07 07:05:16] BitMEX_Wally : If you have `execInst=AllOrNone` then we require the order to be hidden from the order book otherwise it would give a false impression of liquidity (i.e. a bid that could not be partially hit)
[2016-10-07 07:06:23] martyix : Thank you very much. Could please tell me, if I can put an order with minQty? I mean if I can say that I want an order and minimum filled quantity must be X.
[2016-10-07 07:07:07] BitMEX_Wally : martyix: We don't support minQty, basically `AllOrNone` or `FillOrKill` are th same as `minQty=orderQty`
[2016-10-07 07:08:04] martyix : Basically yes, but there is still a difference. Thanks!
[2016-10-07 07:08:50] martyix : (I mean d difference from what I would like to accomplish. However, this gives me enough options. Good.)
[2016-10-07 07:12:08] BitMEX_Wally : We support OneTriggersTheOther orders, so you could have an AllOrNone order that when filled triggers another order
[2016-10-07 07:13:09] martyix : Ah, good to know. Thank you
[2016-10-07 07:15:38] lord : whats with the session limit up price?
[2016-10-07 07:26:20] XXXX : BitMEX_Wally: what is the DAILY funding rate for ZEZZ16 if my margin is less than 1%?
[2016-10-07 07:26:38] XXXX : BitMEX_Wally: ZECZ16
[2016-10-07 07:27:44] BitMEX_Wally : XXXX: Funding rate only applies to swaps. ZECZ16 is a future so there is no funding rate
[2016-10-07 07:28:51] XXXX : So lets say if i have ZECZ16 future open till 30 dec i dont have to pay any interest?
[2016-10-07 07:30:03] no : BitMEX_Arthur: Okay, then should account 2 and 5 be deleveraged?
[2016-10-07 07:30:31] no : well, only 10 from account 5
[2016-10-07 07:33:48] martyix : Is it possible to use both "ParticipateDoNotInitiate" and "AllOrNone" at the same time?
[2016-10-07 07:33:53] martyix : https://www.bitmex.com/api/explorer/#!/Order/Order_new
[2016-10-07 07:34:26] no : that is, account 2 and 5 instead of 6 and 5
[2016-10-07 07:38:32] lord : why are all my orders canceled?
[2016-10-07 07:39:26] BitMEX_Jinming : no: account 2 and 5 are ranked top, so are deleveraged first.
[2016-10-07 07:41:27] BitMEX_Jinming : lord: which instruments?
[2016-10-07 07:41:42] lord : i am talking about the session limit up price
[2016-10-07 07:42:07] lord : there are orders that are not buyable
[2016-10-07 07:42:13] lord : makes no sence
[2016-10-07 07:45:54] j8 : limit up/down is only on ZECZ16, because it's marked to last price. it's pretty necessary, otherwise you could have crazy liquidations from people manipulating thin orderbooks
[2016-10-07 07:45:58] BitMEX_Wally : martyix: Yes just comma separate them, so `execInst= AllOrNone, ParticipateDoNotInitiate`
[2016-10-07 07:46:09] martyix : Thanks!
[2016-10-07 07:46:10] rapidtrades : why is profit the first criteria? these rules don't make sesne
[2016-10-07 07:46:18] BitMEX_Wally : Sorry, no space `execInst= AllOrNone,ParticipateDoNotInitiate`
[2016-10-07 07:46:30] martyix : I see
[2016-10-07 07:46:34] rapidtrades : that's not how Bitvic does deleveraging
[2016-10-07 07:50:38] BitMEX_Arthur : rapidtrades: We did aim to copy BitVC completely
[2016-10-07 07:51:09] BitMEX_Arthur : sorry did not
[2016-10-07 07:52:02] BitMEX_Jinming : rapidtrades: Both profit and leverage are considered in the deleverage ranking.
[2016-10-07 07:58:26] KyllingLolsson : How do i see rebalance countdown on mobile?
[2016-10-07 07:58:44] rapidtrades : but u first close all positions that show a profit...only once those are closed are losing trades deleveraged...isn't that accurate? @BitMEX_Jinming
[2016-10-07 08:01:17] BitMEX_Jinming : rapidtrades: profit positions are always deleveraged before losing ones (that's all other exchanges are doing). However, among the profit ones, leverage can impact the ranking.
[2016-10-07 08:02:45] Tetsuo : Then maybe you should rewrite your latest announcement, cuz it only mentions leverage as factor
[2016-10-07 08:04:19] rapidtrades : BitMEX_Jinming: are u sure that's how Bitvc does it? sleger said that's not accurate
[2016-10-07 08:05:13] rapidtrades : http://www.coindesk.com/bitvc-swaps-socialized-futures-losses-for-new-risk-system/
[2016-10-07 08:05:30] rapidtrades : ^ that article only mentions leverage
[2016-10-07 08:10:12] BitMEX_Arthur : KyllingLolsson: Rebalance or Settlement?
[2016-10-07 08:11:21] BitMEX_Arthur : Rebalance does not exist any more. We do have a countdown for Settlement (Futures) and to the next Funding (Swaps).
[2016-10-07 08:15:02] BitMEX_Jinming : rapidtrades: here is the details what they are doing: http://8btc.com/thread-14788-1-1.html
[2016-10-07 08:32:44] Tetsuo : rapidtrades has no chinese degree
[2016-10-07 08:43:47] BitMEX_Jinming : google translator supports instant translation via camera @Tetsuo
[2016-10-07 09:06:10] rapidtrades : ok so if I place stop market order that triggers on index price, will my entire order be executed on market?
[2016-10-07 09:06:23] rapidtrades : it seems that I can't specify a limit
[2016-10-07 09:06:36] rapidtrades : oh nvm...im an idiot
[2016-10-07 09:10:00] Kalman : Real knowledge is to know the extent of one's ignorance. Confucius
[2016-10-07 09:11:50] rapidtrades : that index price is a nice touch
[2016-10-07 10:08:07] REKT : Liquidated long on `REP7D`: Sell 785 @ 0.01185
[2016-10-07 10:18:07] REKT : Liquidated long on `REP7D`: Sell 147 @ 0.01148
[2016-10-07 10:18:51] REKT : Liquidated long on `REP7D`: Sell 11 @ 0.01141
[2016-10-07 10:48:01] Tetsuo : byebye alts
[2016-10-07 10:53:56] laisee : reputation trashed, like some trolls
[2016-10-07 10:57:56] Techemy : so bitcoin going to 670 or what?
[2016-10-07 10:58:30] rapidtrades : maybe? what's it to u?
[2016-10-07 10:59:47] laisee : a few mins of light humour, is all
[2016-10-07 11:00:34] Techemy : haha
[2016-10-07 11:00:56] Techemy : just guaging sentiment
[2016-10-07 11:02:14] laisee : Techemy: 666 is the number to watch.
[2016-10-07 11:02:47] wurstgelee : i plan to close somehwhere north of 650
[2016-10-07 11:02:51] wurstgelee : *-h
[2016-10-07 11:02:53] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-10-07 11:07:52] REKT : Liquidated long on `XMR7D`: Sell 3268 @ 0.011172
[2016-10-07 11:08:22] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 1000 @ 0.02044
[2016-10-07 11:08:22] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 2333 @ 0.02050
[2016-10-07 11:12:52] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 2300 @ 0.02039
[2016-10-07 11:53:29] jeeburns : can't seem to make a profitable trade despite consecutively buying low and selling higher thanks to this "mark price" apparently I need do hold loonger
[2016-10-07 11:54:53] BitMEX_Wally : jeeburns: The mark price only affects your unrealised PNL. If you buy low and sell high then your profit/loss is determined by your entry and exit prices, and any trading fees or funding fees
[2016-10-07 11:55:53] jeeburns : so if I sell at a higher price than I bought at, despite the unrealized being red, it will still be profitable?
[2016-10-07 11:57:22] BitMEX_Wally : Yes, so long as you sell 0.075% higher to cover any fees etc
[2016-10-07 12:10:34] kumarz : Fees and funding... Killing me softly too
[2016-10-07 12:13:14] jeeburns : ok thank you!
[2016-10-07 12:18:32] MrJ1m : soo, still no btc 3M around here
[2016-10-07 12:25:59] mjones : just noticed ETC hit a new low. the only guy holding the price up has 600 BTC stacked down to 0.0015
[2016-10-07 12:33:34] habibi : 1850 was lowest point
[2016-10-07 13:01:23] rapidtrades : dam not much follow-through on that breakout
[2016-10-07 13:14:54] mjones : REP dump. sucks cryptowatch hasnt added the poloniex market.
[2016-10-07 13:31:01] Boontjie : rapidtrades: yet
[2016-10-07 13:36:21] zanza : wasn't he defending .0001 ?
[2016-10-07 13:36:30] zanza : is it the hacker btw
[2016-10-07 13:48:35] Chimpindeed : way to go bitmex bots
[2016-10-07 13:52:22] mjones : bummer. no coins moving enough to trade right now
[2016-10-07 13:54:51] Chimpindeed : bots will take you out eventually .... theres your movement.
[2016-10-07 13:56:02] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBJ24H`: Sell 11424 @ 63926.0
[2016-10-07 14:25:27] wurstgelee : no coins moving?
[2016-10-07 14:25:28] wurstgelee : oO
[2016-10-07 14:25:45] wurstgelee : downwards is a move too....
[2016-10-07 14:28:13] mjones : REP might mega dump
[2016-10-07 14:30:01] MrRGnome : mjones: maybe, I'm personally betting above 0.009 holds for the short term. I'm buying, so feel free to rub it in my face if it does crash
[2016-10-07 14:32:21] wurstgelee : waiting for it to go sub 0.01, then i will buy
[2016-10-07 14:32:47] wurstgelee : means i agree with MrRGnome
[2016-10-07 14:32:49] wurstgelee : =)
[2016-10-07 14:32:55] MrRGnome : I like to get a little bit in before the major resistance incase it bounces off it, and cost average the rest of what I anticipate a reasonable drop would be
[2016-10-07 14:48:44] wurstgelee : longed some
[2016-10-07 14:48:47] wurstgelee : just in case
[2016-10-07 14:48:50] wurstgelee : ready to add more ;)