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[2016-10-05 17:02:57] Tetsuo : jung1 has a shitcoin degree and still falls for scams and p&d
[2016-10-05 17:03:33] arbitrage001 : Tetsuo: did he keep holding the coin even after the pump?
[2016-10-05 17:03:34] laisee : Tetsuo: it's called "R&D"
[2016-10-05 17:04:08] MrRGnome : hey rapid, want some free money? I'll match you 10 btc into escrow with a REAL lawyer, who will verify your law credentials (including a degree from an accredited university in legal studies and registered to the bar in a state of your choosing) and employment history as a professional trader for the last decade. If you aren't lying I'll apologize publicly and the lawyer will give you the escrow. If you are lying I'll take the escrow. Deal?
[2016-10-05 17:04:29] habibi : adding 1 btc to that reward
[2016-10-05 17:04:59] arbitrage001 : habibi: shouldn't pour salt into somenone wound
[2016-10-05 17:05:08] rapidtrades : there is no wound
[2016-10-05 17:05:13] rapidtrades : MrRGnome: do it
[2016-10-05 17:05:13] wurstgelee : it's a self-inflicted wound
[2016-10-05 17:05:16] wurstgelee : those need salt
[2016-10-05 17:05:17] wurstgelee : a lot
[2016-10-05 17:05:18] MrRGnome : you agree?
[2016-10-05 17:05:23] laisee : take the deal ....
[2016-10-05 17:05:35] Tetsuo : can i do the escrow?
[2016-10-05 17:05:39] Tetsuo : i am trustworthy!
[2016-10-05 17:05:47] wurstgelee : Tetsuo: ill do it, i have a law degree
[2016-10-05 17:05:48] wurstgelee : oO
[2016-10-05 17:05:50] wurstgelee : :D
[2016-10-05 17:06:07] MrRGnome : We'll find a neutral lawyer that favors neither party in a state neither of us reside.
[2016-10-05 17:06:08] sleger : if you want to do the escrow in Lisk or Factum you will have to use jung1, he is the only one with an address for those anymore
[2016-10-05 17:06:17] Tetsuo : lol
[2016-10-05 17:06:20] wurstgelee : haha
[2016-10-05 17:06:25] laisee : sounds fine
[2016-10-05 17:06:46] habibi : we need augur prediction contract for that as well, many comes to bet on it
[2016-10-05 17:06:56] arbitrage001 : have to admire alt believer that still keep trading today
[2016-10-05 17:06:58] wurstgelee : damn, sill pissed i got ADL'ed out of my ZEC position :/
[2016-10-05 17:07:02] wurstgelee : *t
[2016-10-05 17:07:10] laisee : ETH contract with DAO rider ...
[2016-10-05 17:07:17] Tetsuo : can we at least agree that zcash will reach BTC parity within 4 weeks
[2016-10-05 17:07:22] wurstgelee : surfing REP waves was fun tho
[2016-10-05 17:07:42] Kalman : Tetsuo: 4 weeks of when?
[2016-10-05 17:07:45] arbitrage001 : Tetsuo: it might very well be for the next 3 weeks
[2016-10-05 17:07:50] wurstgelee : Tetsuo: i wont be surprised seeing it fomo-spiking way higher tbh
[2016-10-05 17:07:57] arbitrage001 : before zcash actually releases
[2016-10-05 17:07:58] wurstgelee : scarce af...
[2016-10-05 17:08:07] habibi : first 2-3 days after mining start can be very high in price as well
[2016-10-05 17:08:11] wurstgelee : yep
[2016-10-05 17:08:13] wurstgelee : that
[2016-10-05 17:08:31] laisee : buy on rumour, sell on mining start
[2016-10-05 17:08:35] Tetsuo : so u people are still buying it?
[2016-10-05 17:08:51] wurstgelee : a still have some orders...yep...
[2016-10-05 17:08:52] arbitrage001 : Tetsuo: wise people dont touch alt coin
[2016-10-05 17:08:57] Tetsuo : true that
[2016-10-05 17:08:58] Kalman : Tetsuo: selling you that option
[2016-10-05 17:09:04] laisee : sure, planning to see to GreatestFule
[2016-10-05 17:09:06] wurstgelee : also polo will list after mining start, not before
[2016-10-05 17:09:20] habibi : u think u won't find 50 people paying 1 btc ech after first day and at the same time all ~50 coins mined during first 24 hours dumped to the market?
[2016-10-05 17:09:22] wurstgelee : so thats when shit will happen
[2016-10-05 17:09:58] wurstgelee : also yeah, greater fool games....i love them tbh
[2016-10-05 17:10:43] rapidtrades : can we get back to me winning 11 btc?
[2016-10-05 17:10:49] MrRGnome : Yes, please
[2016-10-05 17:11:04] rapidtrades : MrRGnome: tnx
[2016-10-05 17:11:05] MrRGnome : So you agree to my terms?
[2016-10-05 17:11:36] wurstgelee : can i place a bet on rapidtrades will never send those 11 btc to escrow?
[2016-10-05 17:11:45] rapidtrades : yes u may
[2016-10-05 17:11:48] rapidtrades : how much
[2016-10-05 17:12:11] Kalman : wurstgelee: lol
[2016-10-05 17:12:15] Tetsuo : i´m bettin on rapid, 500 BFX
[2016-10-05 17:12:27] wurstgelee : i would say 11 btc tbh, but the i would have to place a bet on you not matching my bet as well
[2016-10-05 17:12:44] rapidtrades : wtf
[2016-10-05 17:12:47] MrRGnome : That he is is a lawyer and professional trader for the last decade? BTW what firm do you allegedly work for as a professional trader?
[2016-10-05 17:12:58] wurstgelee : basically i am creating rapidtrades derivatives here
[2016-10-05 17:13:03] rapidtrades : i never said that u twat @MrRGnome
[2016-10-05 17:13:13] habibi : rapidtrades: stfu, bet is closed
[2016-10-05 17:13:13] wurstgelee : anyone want in? this worked great for banks
[2016-10-05 17:13:18] wurstgelee : =)
[2016-10-05 17:13:20] Tetsuo : it was about law degree gnome
[2016-10-05 17:13:21] rapidtrades : i derive my income from trading, i trade for myself
[2016-10-05 17:13:25] laisee : send to 1Gr8Fule45k5dgfsgdfgd
[2016-10-05 17:13:25] MrRGnome : oh... so you are or are not a professional trader with employment for the last decade?
[2016-10-05 17:13:32] rapidtrades : my god ur an idiot
[2016-10-05 17:13:45] habibi : MrRGnome: i will try to work with Sam to transfer 1 btc from my account to urs
[2016-10-05 17:13:46] wurstgelee : MrRGnome: lol :D
[2016-10-05 17:13:50] MrRGnome : Obviously, please humor my idiocy I'm so dumb.
[2016-10-05 17:14:31] MrRGnome : habibi: Do not do that, we'll arrange it with our choosen lawyer if you want o contribute
[2016-10-05 17:14:41] MrRGnome : if rapid lets it get that far.
[2016-10-05 17:15:04] habibi : MrRGnome: of course i want, he already agreed to that and i guess it works both sides, if he won't deliver he will need to pay
[2016-10-05 17:15:04] Tetsuo : it seems like ur backing out gnome, it clearly was about law degree
[2016-10-05 17:15:07] rapidtrades : i have trading records that show a profit and a degree
[2016-10-05 17:15:17] rapidtrades : so where's my 11 btc
[2016-10-05 17:15:32] MrRGnome : I explicitly stated it was about the law degree and his professional experience, which is what I accuse him of lying about
[2016-10-05 17:15:35] habibi : rapidtrades: please calm down and read contract that u agreed to once again
[2016-10-05 17:15:36] habibi : hey rapid, want some free money? I'll match you 10 btc into escrow with a REAL lawyer, who will verify your law credentials (including a degree from an accredited university in legal studies and registered to the bar in a state of your choosing) and employment history as a professional trader for the last decade. If you aren't lying I'll apologize publicly and the lawyer will give you the escrow. If you are lying I'll take the escrow. Deal?
[2016-10-05 17:16:10] rapidtrades : MrRGnome: i never claimed to work for a firm...u just assumed that's what professional means
[2016-10-05 17:16:18] wurstgelee : yep. law degree AND professional trader for the last decade
[2016-10-05 17:16:19] rapidtrades : i do this for a living
[2016-10-05 17:16:24] MrRGnome : the word 'professional' implies employment
[2016-10-05 17:16:31] rapidtrades : ur an idiot
[2016-10-05 17:16:41] habibi : hey hey it doesnt matter even what u said before, u agreed with MrGnome bet
[2016-10-05 17:16:48] MrRGnome : So you are unemployed for the last decade, trading to get by, with a law degree?
[2016-10-05 17:17:20] MrRGnome : Help me understand. Me so dumb.
[2016-10-05 17:17:42] rapidtrades : oh look
[2016-10-05 17:17:46] laisee : it's a deal, it's a steal. take it .rapid ...
[2016-10-05 17:17:53] rapidtrades : the sound of a pussy walking out
[2016-10-05 17:18:12] MrRGnome : ... are you pretending I'm not still for this deal? I'm EAGER for you to agree to the terms I listed.
[2016-10-05 17:18:15] rapidtrades : degree+trading records....is that not good enough
[2016-10-05 17:18:17] MrRGnome : Which you alread did technically.
[2016-10-05 17:18:23] rapidtrades : not rly
[2016-10-05 17:18:40] MrRGnome : So you are accusing me of walking away, literally two sentences ago.. yet you say you didn't agree?
[2016-10-05 17:18:50] Tetsuo : https://youtu.be/JATmowQRV3c?t=2m59s
[2016-10-05 17:19:01] rapidtrades : ......guys have i ever claimed here to be employed?
[2016-10-05 17:19:16] MrRGnome : as a professional trader with a decades experience, yeah.
[2016-10-05 17:19:38] rapidtrades : yeah this chat goes way back buddy
[2016-10-05 17:19:48] rapidtrades : find me one line where i say i work for a firm
[2016-10-05 17:20:09] arbitrage001 : i am unemployed here
[2016-10-05 17:20:14] arbitrage001 : trading to get by
[2016-10-05 17:20:21] habibi : He has law degree and again after reading ur proposition, acceptation from him, he stills argue?
[2016-10-05 17:20:25] laisee : trading on my wits alone
[2016-10-05 17:20:26] habibi : still*
[2016-10-05 17:20:48] MrRGnome : He is now saying he didn't accept
[2016-10-05 17:20:48] rapidtrades : he's just making stuff up
[2016-10-05 17:20:57] MrRGnome : One of us is....
[2016-10-05 17:21:11] wurstgelee : trading for fun only here. i dont mind profiting off it tho. ;)
[2016-10-05 17:21:27] rapidtrades : like i said the chat goes way back....u can prove what ur saying
[2016-10-05 17:21:27] arbitrage001 : wurstgelee: you have other line of work?
[2016-10-05 17:21:34] wurstgelee : paid for a great summer with fuckall exspenses
[2016-10-05 17:21:37] wurstgelee : *expenses
[2016-10-05 17:21:46] wurstgelee : yep, fully employed it sysadmin
[2016-10-05 17:21:55] rapidtrades : i have 11 months of comments here bitch, just find one where i say that @MrRGnome
[2016-10-05 17:21:57] arbitrage001 : how nice
[2016-10-05 17:22:10] wurstgelee : which is great because i can trade @ work if i like ;)
[2016-10-05 17:22:11] arbitrage001 : no fear of losing all your fund
[2016-10-05 17:22:17] wurstgelee : nah, not really
[2016-10-05 17:22:27] wurstgelee : i have vashed out a multiple of what i invested in 2014
[2016-10-05 17:22:30] wurstgelee : *cashed
[2016-10-05 17:22:43] wurstgelee : so even if i finally get rekt....np
[2016-10-05 17:22:56] MrRGnome : Where you say you're a professional trader? You keep saying it even now. Your issue is you think anything you do of your own volition qualifies as being a professional.
[2016-10-05 17:23:16] rapidtrades : im a professional cos i make my money from trading
[2016-10-05 17:23:18] rapidtrades : u retard
[2016-10-05 17:23:29] MrRGnome : I make money from trading, tons of people do, that doesn't make them professionals
[2016-10-05 17:23:30] Tetsuo : wurstgelee: trading @ work; count me in. In@ BTC since 2012
[2016-10-05 17:23:43] arbitrage001 : what does professional mean?
[2016-10-05 17:23:43] rapidtrades : wow
[2016-10-05 17:23:48] laisee : daytrsader <> professional trder
[2016-10-05 17:23:55] wurstgelee : Tetsuo: :D
[2016-10-05 17:23:56] rapidtrades : should've known u here too poor for 10 btc bet
[2016-10-05 17:24:06] wurstgelee : i somehow missed the first 2 years tho... :/
[2016-10-05 17:24:16] MrRGnome : I'm the one who proposed the bet! Who is still trying to get you to for a third time agree to the bet
[2016-10-05 17:24:16] rapidtrades : also seems u have already accepted the fact that i have a law degree lol
[2016-10-05 17:24:25] MrRGnome : roffle.
[2016-10-05 17:24:31] rapidtrades : now we're just going after what qualifies as a 'trader' lol
[2016-10-05 17:24:38] MrRGnome : professional, actually.
[2016-10-05 17:24:45] Tetsuo : it´s a semantic thing
[2016-10-05 17:24:46] MrRGnome : And if you want we can let the lawyer decide
[2016-10-05 17:24:50] MrRGnome : our escrow
[2016-10-05 17:25:04] MrRGnome : let him define professional trader if that gets you to the table
[2016-10-05 17:25:14] rapidtrades : Tetsuo: yeah pussies always get out on semantics
[2016-10-05 17:25:30] MrRGnome : uhhh you are trying to do exactly that and I am trying to accomodate you
[2016-10-05 17:25:33] Tetsuo : "A professional is a member of a profession or any person who earns their living from a specified professional activity. The term also describes the standards of education and training that prepare members of the profession with the particular knowledge and skills necessary to perform their specific role within that profession."
[2016-10-05 17:25:51] rapidtrades : thank u
[2016-10-05 17:25:57] laisee : professional traders are registered to trade.
[2016-10-05 17:26:00] wurstgelee : Tetsuo: that. professional=zu can live off it ....imo
[2016-10-05 17:26:11] arbitrage001 : Tetsuo: description is over rated
[2016-10-05 17:26:15] habibi : it doesnt matter whether he said or not that, guess he did anyway but he agreed to terms Gnome proposed
[2016-10-05 17:26:16] wurstgelee : it doesnt count if u get welfare checks and make .0001 btc in addition to that tho
[2016-10-05 17:26:31] MrRGnome : Sure, I accept that definition, If you have an education and decades experience as a trader, making a comparable sum of money as those who in your business are professionally employed, I'd say you're a professional.
[2016-10-05 17:26:38] MrRGnome : Is that fair enough for you rapid?
[2016-10-05 17:26:40] rapidtrades : loool
[2016-10-05 17:26:52] rapidtrades : look at the terms streching
[2016-10-05 17:26:57] rapidtrades : how about f*ck u
[2016-10-05 17:27:00] MrRGnome : I'm stretching them for your benefit!
[2016-10-05 17:27:05] rapidtrades : don't waste my time
[2016-10-05 17:27:11] laisee : actually , terms a getting easier
[2016-10-05 17:27:13] wurstgelee : someone get me more popcorn please
[2016-10-05 17:27:14] arbitrage001 : would henry ford fall into the professional category?
[2016-10-05 17:27:14] MrRGnome : I'm offering you free money!
[2016-10-05 17:27:19] rapidtrades : trading records showing a profit + degree
[2016-10-05 17:27:21] wurstgelee : and another one of those dutch funny cigarettes
[2016-10-05 17:27:22] arbitrage001 : dont think he has a degree in mechanic engineering
[2016-10-05 17:27:23] rapidtrades : take it or leave it
[2016-10-05 17:27:33] MrRGnome : two degrees technically if you're unemployed by that previous definition
[2016-10-05 17:27:46] MrRGnome : an education in law is not an education in economics.
[2016-10-05 17:27:59] wurstgelee : *degree
[2016-10-05 17:28:06] wurstgelee : everyone can claim to have education
[2016-10-05 17:28:09] rapidtrades : that's what i thought
[2016-10-05 17:28:10] wurstgelee : =)
[2016-10-05 17:28:20] rapidtrades : hey bitch we can only make it about the law degree then?
[2016-10-05 17:28:28] justinlooking : XMRekt
[2016-10-05 17:28:32] rapidtrades : cos u seem to want to stretch the trading terms
[2016-10-05 17:28:45] wurstgelee : justinlooking: yep. closed my short ~ .012 ....
[2016-10-05 17:28:57] wurstgelee : too early but i thought it might bounce there, played it safe
[2016-10-05 17:28:59] rapidtrades : wanna throw 3 btc on the degree? half of the bet?
[2016-10-05 17:29:08] MrRGnome : Are you on the bar anywhere? I assume you are since you call yourself a lawyer. Any trouble proving that as well?
[2016-10-05 17:29:13] rapidtrades : oh wait...its 5...originally it was 10
[2016-10-05 17:29:13] habibi : i see u have math degree as well
[2016-10-05 17:29:19] wurstgelee : habibi: :D
[2016-10-05 17:29:28] MrRGnome : I don't think my terms are at all outrageous, I'm even willing to allow our escrow to define terms in matters of dispute
[2016-10-05 17:29:37] rapidtrades : MrRGnome: lol...next u'll be asking for my employment record
[2016-10-05 17:29:43] MrRGnome : I already did, yeah
[2016-10-05 17:29:49] wurstgelee : rapidtrades: u said u have none
[2016-10-05 17:29:59] rapidtrades : u can have the degree proof for 5 btc, half the bet
[2016-10-05 17:30:04] MrRGnome : What's wrong with that? You're making claims, I think they are false, I'll offer you money to prove them at the risk of your own money. Simple isn't it?
[2016-10-05 17:30:11] rapidtrades : no more stretching of terms
[2016-10-05 17:30:17] rapidtrades : degree=5btc
[2016-10-05 17:30:20] rapidtrades : deal or no deal
[2016-10-05 17:30:22] habibi : rapidtrades: please read contract that Gnome offered
[2016-10-05 17:30:22] Tetsuo : Degree - % BTC it is!
[2016-10-05 17:30:24] Tetsuo : 5
[2016-10-05 17:30:31] habibi : and if u agree still, lets do it
[2016-10-05 17:30:51] rapidtrades : he's just making up terms...
[2016-10-05 17:30:53] MrRGnome : law degree from an accredited law school + active bar in the USA
[2016-10-05 17:31:01] Tetsuo : lol USA now
[2016-10-05 17:31:08] MrRGnome : Nothing made up about that. You're the one defining professional as something other than being employed
[2016-10-05 17:31:20] rapidtrades : first it was a trader...then employed trader, then making money like the pros
[2016-10-05 17:31:31] MrRGnome : YOu CALLED YOURSEFL A PRO
[2016-10-05 17:31:32] rapidtrades : fu and ur whore mother
[2016-10-05 17:31:37] rapidtrades : how about that
[2016-10-05 17:31:41] MrRGnome : So you reject my offer?
[2016-10-05 17:31:45] Tetsuo : back to normal in here
[2016-10-05 17:31:47] arbitrage001 : many pro traders got wiped out in 08
[2016-10-05 17:31:54] justinlooking : o/
[2016-10-05 17:31:56] habibi : "match you 10 btc into escrow with a REAL lawyer, who will verify your law credentials (including a degree from an accredited university in legal studies and registered to the bar in a state of your choosing) and employment history as a professional trader for the last decade" rapidtrades agree?
[2016-10-05 17:32:20] rapidtrades : NO...degree = 5 btc
[2016-10-05 17:32:27] rapidtrades : not gonna have him weasel out again
[2016-10-05 17:32:38] MrRGnome : What about the bar?
[2016-10-05 17:32:44] MrRGnome : What about school/accredidation?
[2016-10-05 17:32:51] wurstgelee : when is REP added to the ring here? anyone knows?
[2016-10-05 17:32:57] rapidtrades : oh but these credentials are no good...and where's ur employment
[2016-10-05 17:32:57] wurstgelee : testnet currently iirc?
[2016-10-05 17:32:57] Tetsuo : soon
[2016-10-05 17:33:05] rapidtrades : MrRGnome: screw u
[2016-10-05 17:33:13] wurstgelee : soon is the "i have no clue" of crypto ffs
[2016-10-05 17:33:17] MrRGnome : Why screw me? Because I am asking if you are registered tot he bar?
[2016-10-05 17:33:19] wurstgelee : or the "probably never"
[2016-10-05 17:33:21] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-10-05 17:33:32] MrRGnome : You call yourself a lawyer, ca you or can you not practice law?
[2016-10-05 17:34:11] MrRGnome : if you are claiming you can I want to know what bar you are registered to.
[2016-10-05 17:34:16] MrRGnome : If not that's fine, one less lie to chek
[2016-10-05 17:34:21] wurstgelee : he said he has a degree. u need several, different law degrees to practice as a lawyer. at least here
[2016-10-05 17:34:24] MrRGnome : just, which is it?
[2016-10-05 17:34:37] wurstgelee : having a law degree is not "being a lawyer"
[2016-10-05 17:34:52] REKT : Liquidated long on `XMR7D`: Sell 541 @ 0.011064
[2016-10-05 17:35:08] justinlooking : XMRekt!'
[2016-10-05 17:35:08] wurstgelee : oh, xmr going for a nice dive now
[2016-10-05 17:35:11] wurstgelee : yep
[2016-10-05 17:35:26] arbitrage001 : wurstgelee: wouldnt say that is not expected
[2016-10-05 17:35:37] arbitrage001 : wurstgelee: dont you agree?
[2016-10-05 17:35:46] wurstgelee : arbitrage001: xmr dumping?
[2016-10-05 17:35:52] arbitrage001 : right
[2016-10-05 17:36:09] wurstgelee : i have been talking about xmr being a big exit pump before zcash release for weeks now
[2016-10-05 17:36:23] arbitrage001 : did you short?
[2016-10-05 17:36:30] wurstgelee : a perfect exit pump even because of xmr to alphabay
[2016-10-05 17:36:32] wurstgelee : ofc
[2016-10-05 17:36:32] REKT : Liquidated long on `XMR7D`: Sell 2853 @ 0.010820
[2016-10-05 17:36:32] REKT : Liquidated long on `XMR7D`: Sell 100 @ 0.010766
[2016-10-05 17:36:32] REKT : Liquidated long on `XMR7D`: Sell 400 @ 0.010861
[2016-10-05 17:36:36] wurstgelee : i did
[2016-10-05 17:36:44] arbitrage001 : very nice then
[2016-10-05 17:36:51] arbitrage001 : i didnt have balls to short
[2016-10-05 17:37:01] arbitrage001 : zcash seems like a good short also
[2016-10-05 17:37:07] wurstgelee : only had small balls. position-wise
[2016-10-05 17:37:08] arbitrage001 : also dont have balls
[2016-10-05 17:37:11] wurstgelee : nice profits nonetheless ;)
[2016-10-05 17:37:31] wurstgelee : a disagree with zcash short tho
[2016-10-05 17:37:45] arbitrage001 : it will go up after release?
[2016-10-05 17:38:11] wurstgelee : no clue about long term, but it will be listed on polo AFTER release..naturally.
[2016-10-05 17:38:16] wurstgelee : polo will be the main battleground ofc
[2016-10-05 17:38:21] wurstgelee : so yep, i guess
[2016-10-05 17:38:45] wurstgelee : supply will be scarce with 50 coins/block and fomo will be insane on zcash
[2016-10-05 17:38:52] arbitrage001 : i see
[2016-10-05 17:38:55] wurstgelee : imo....i might be wrong ofc. but thats always the risk :)
[2016-10-05 17:38:56] habibi : wurstgelee: 50 coins first day
[2016-10-05 17:38:59] habibi : slow mining
[2016-10-05 17:39:00] habibi : etc
[2016-10-05 17:39:02] habibi : read about it
[2016-10-05 17:39:04] wurstgelee : habibi: exactly
[2016-10-05 17:39:05] arbitrage001 : if eth can go up 100 times, then anything is posible with zcash
[2016-10-05 17:39:15] wurstgelee : arbitrage001: that
[2016-10-05 17:39:47] wurstgelee : no big ico supply right from the start....
[2016-10-05 17:39:51] wurstgelee : unlike eth
[2016-10-05 17:40:00] arbitrage001 : 1000 times?
[2016-10-05 17:40:02] wurstgelee : and that will multiply fomo
[2016-10-05 17:40:25] wurstgelee : no clue, but i assume the launch will be a hell of a ride
[2016-10-05 17:40:33] wurstgelee : with insane gains and lots of blood
[2016-10-05 17:40:51] wurstgelee : one that has never been seen before
[2016-10-05 17:40:52] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-10-05 17:41:15] habibi : wurstgelee: and thanks, after that talk noone will allow here for price to drop under 0.1 :/
[2016-10-05 17:41:31] wurstgelee : haha. as if i told any secrets....
[2016-10-05 17:41:51] arbitrage001 : wurstgelee: actually, most people dont bother research
[2016-10-05 17:42:00] arbitrage001 : and i didnt pay attention much to alt coins
[2016-10-05 17:42:07] arbitrage001 : since i dont trade them
[2016-10-05 17:42:20] arbitrage001 : too many coin of the moments
[2016-10-05 17:42:27] habibi : problem with trading here on zcash is u will probally be ADL-ed before nice price
[2016-10-05 17:42:37] wurstgelee : i do when its that time in the btc/alt-cycle
[2016-10-05 17:42:42] wurstgelee : and i stop when its not ofc
[2016-10-05 17:42:43] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-10-05 17:42:45] habibi : so multiple accounts with 1 contract on each should be a nice idea
[2016-10-05 17:43:12] wurstgelee : habibi: i got adl'ed out of a avarerage entry of .007 or something....
[2016-10-05 17:43:23] wurstgelee : '*average
[2016-10-05 17:43:29] wurstgelee : still a litle pissed about that... :/
[2016-10-05 17:43:51] wurstgelee : also .07 ofc
[2016-10-05 17:45:00] Tetsuo : XMR song of the minute : https://youtu.be/_yRACH20RS4?t=11s
[2016-10-05 17:45:13] wurstgelee : thats some nice dumping @ xmr....
[2016-10-05 17:45:52] habibi : https://cointelegraph.com/news/monero-loses-darknet-market-in-apparent-exit-scam
[2016-10-05 17:46:13] sleger : how old is that news ?
[2016-10-05 17:46:28] Tetsuo : 3-4 days
[2016-10-05 17:46:47] Tetsuo : maybe a week
[2016-10-05 17:46:58] sleger : thanks habibi, always so useful
[2016-10-05 17:47:15] arbitrage001 : sleger: are you going to short?
[2016-10-05 17:47:38] sleger : i was short, just like zcash, lisk, fuctum
[2016-10-05 17:47:42] Tetsuo : shorting now is like buying BTC @ 1000$
[2016-10-05 17:48:15] rapidtrades : sleger: u shorted moonero? RIP
[2016-10-05 17:48:51] Tetsuo : i was short since 0.01450 , got out @ 0.01180
[2016-10-05 17:48:55] wurstgelee : lol?
[2016-10-05 17:49:19] Tetsuo : might drop to 0.08-0.09 but will probably turn into a massive bull trap after that,
[2016-10-05 17:49:30] Tetsuo : 0.008-.009
[2016-10-05 17:49:55] rapidtrades : i got a short signal weeks ago but don't feel comfortable with this altcoin bull market
[2016-10-05 17:50:21] rapidtrades : i think it was bitcoin-induced
[2016-10-05 17:50:23] sleger : we need a jung1etf basket to short every shitcoin easily
[2016-10-05 17:50:40] arbitrage001 : lol
[2016-10-05 17:50:49] arbitrage001 : good idea
[2016-10-05 17:51:00] arbitrage001 : since he is always pumping coins near top
[2016-10-05 17:51:02] REKT : Liquidated short on `XMR7D`: Buy 200 @ 0.011236
[2016-10-05 17:51:07] REKT : Liquidated short on `XMR7D`: Buy 50 @ 0.011265
[2016-10-05 17:51:14] habibi : that was fast lol :D
[2016-10-05 17:51:39] rapidtrades : lol sleger
[2016-10-05 17:51:49] rapidtrades : prolly too small to be him
[2016-10-05 17:52:11] rapidtrades : so who fast it :)
[2016-10-05 17:52:17] rapidtrades : was it
[2016-10-05 17:52:53] Tetsuo : lol , rep started @ 2BTC@polo
[2016-10-05 17:52:54] MrRGnome : lol people on polo are only just NOW realizing that monero article was old
[2016-10-05 17:53:11] rapidtrades : MrRGnome: noone cares what u think liar
[2016-10-05 17:53:17] MrRGnome : :o
[2016-10-05 17:53:23] wurstgelee : MrRGnome: hahahaha... good old trollbox fudding :D
[2016-10-05 17:53:46] MrRGnome : My offer will stand in perpetuity as I wrote it btw. @rapidtrades accept it anytime.
[2016-10-05 17:53:59] rapidtrades : as does mine
[2016-10-05 17:54:02] rapidtrades : now f*ck off
[2016-10-05 17:54:15] MrRGnome : yours was you prove you have any old degree + provide trading history? That's just silly
[2016-10-05 17:54:31] rapidtrades : any old law degree lol
[2016-10-05 17:54:40] rapidtrades : 30 mins ago that was good enough to lie
[2016-10-05 17:54:46] rapidtrades : now it's just any degree
[2016-10-05 17:54:55] MrRGnome : Prove you can practice law and are a professional trader by our escrows definition. It's not a big deal if you have it, not sure why you are being so obstinante if you do.
[2016-10-05 17:54:57] rapidtrades : like underwater basked weaving
[2016-10-05 17:57:07] MrRGnome : anyways like i said, offer is open in perpetuity.Your offer doesn't include enough detail to verify your claims and loose wording so as to enable you to weasel your way out so I'm going to need the inclusion of the bar registration if I'm going to take it. I think that's more than fair.
[2016-10-05 17:57:37] rapidtrades : ur offer has too much wiggle room for a weasel like u
[2016-10-05 17:57:56] rapidtrades : u get degree+trading records that show a profit
[2016-10-05 17:58:01] MrRGnome : What wiggle room? I've been explicit and even deferred to our escrow itself to define terms.
[2016-10-05 17:58:05] rapidtrades : can't get clearer then that
[2016-10-05 17:58:11] MrRGnome : So if you have a profit you'r a pro?
[2016-10-05 17:58:21] MrRGnome : That's sill.y I guess I'm amazing and pro.
[2016-10-05 17:58:24] sleger : isnt that where pro comes from
[2016-10-05 17:58:26] sleger : profit ?
[2016-10-05 17:58:27] rapidtrades : no....i LIVE off my profits u twat
[2016-10-05 17:58:42] rapidtrades : that was directed to Gnome :)
[2016-10-05 17:58:50] MrRGnome : So why not let the escrow define pro?
[2016-10-05 17:58:54] MrRGnome : What's wrong with that?
[2016-10-05 17:59:18] rapidtrades : ffs...don't waste my time
[2016-10-05 17:59:23] MrRGnome : ...?
[2016-10-05 17:59:49] rapidtrades : and stop posting or I'll keep reminding everyone how big of a twat u are
[2016-10-05 18:00:11] MrRGnome : Oh heaven forbid, that's sure to make one of us look frightfully silly.
[2016-10-05 18:08:35] habibi : who spammed the zcash orderbook ?
[2016-10-05 18:11:50] BitMEX_Greg : habibi: Looking into it, might not be set given the low volume
[2016-10-05 18:11:56] arbitrage001 : habibi: think someone trying to cause rekt
[2016-10-05 18:13:22] REKT : Liquidated long on `XMR7D`: Sell 4121 @ 0.010222
[2016-10-05 18:29:14] BitMEX_Greg : habibi: The spam threshold for orders is 0.01xbt. Since 1 ZEC contract is worth more than that (0.1349 xbt), it doesn't count as spam
[2016-10-05 18:30:22] habibi : BitMEX_Greg: yea i didnt meant it as negative spam, just a lot of 1's orders
[2016-10-05 18:30:26] BitMEX_Greg : It may be easier to increase the orderbook grouping in the orderbook by clicking on the cog wheel on top of the orderbook. This should give you a better view
[2016-10-05 18:30:54] BitMEX_Greg : habibi: Understand, try increasing the orderbook grouping as above
[2016-10-05 19:04:02] omicron : xmr getting raped
[2016-10-05 19:04:07] REKT : Liquidated long on `FCTXBT`: Sell 200 @ 0.004095
[2016-10-05 19:04:41] rapidtrades : dam xmr
[2016-10-05 19:06:05] wurstgelee : no lube
[2016-10-05 19:53:59] RocketScience : i got shaken out of btc by 8 cents below liquidation and tonight it shot back up
[2016-10-05 19:54:05] RocketScience : woodchipper got me :)
[2016-10-05 20:04:38] rapidtrades : how did it 'shoot back up'
[2016-10-05 20:04:45] rapidtrades : we're up $2
[2016-10-05 20:09:31] sleger : this new system is bad : XMR7D 30 AND i'm all lights in the red
[2016-10-05 20:09:43] sleger : firs to be ADL'ed with my 30 contracts position
[2016-10-05 20:10:28] BitMEX_Sam : sleger: Doesn't mean you're first, just means you're in the top 20% of all XMR7D positions on that side
[2016-10-05 20:10:40] sleger : still, with 30 contracts
[2016-10-05 20:10:46] BitMEX_Sam : Size doesn't affect it.
[2016-10-05 20:11:03] sleger : with leverage <1
[2016-10-05 20:11:59] sleger : I understand why i'm in the first 20% to be deleveraged, but I disagree that it makes any sense
[2016-10-05 20:12:06] sleger : unrealised pnl shouldnt be part of the formula
[2016-10-05 20:15:12] sleger : don't agree ? @BitMEX_Sam
[2016-10-05 20:15:50] BitMEX_Sam : This is the system we chose - we felt it was more important to prioritize profitable positions for closure. All things being equal, among profitable positions, more leveraged positions are ADL'd first.
[2016-10-05 20:16:17] BitMEX_Sam : When Wally's back online we can discuss the weighting formula more deeply.
[2016-10-05 20:16:21] sleger : is it arthur's decision and you dont want to say you disagree with it ?
[2016-10-05 20:16:57] BitMEX_Sam : No, and I resent the suggestion
[2016-10-05 20:17:53] sleger : would you agree that if this system is easy to game (as in easy to reduce your place in the queue without really changing anything) then it is a bad system ?
[2016-10-05 20:18:37] BitMEX_Sam : It's intentional that lowering your leverage should change your place in the queue.
[2016-10-05 20:18:45] sleger : i do agree with that
[2016-10-05 20:18:57] sleger : but i'm saying i can lower my position without changing the leverage
[2016-10-05 20:19:22] sleger : or actually this is my question : if i could do that would you agree that this is bad system ?
[2016-10-05 20:19:36] BitMEX_Sam : How about you quit leading me and just tell me what your issue is?
[2016-10-05 20:20:11] sleger : my issue is that the system is not efficient and someone decided to add complexity to it without any real advantage
[2016-10-05 20:21:13] sleger : take the example of someone with low leverage and moderate positive unrealised pnl, he will rank somewhat high in the system
[2016-10-05 20:22:12] sleger : if he closes and reopens his position (in the market or against a second account created by himself or his friend) then suddenly he ranks lower !!! Magically, although nothing has changed. Well, nothing except some exchange fees lost in the process.
[2016-10-05 20:22:19] sleger : Does that sound like a good system to you ?
[2016-10-05 20:23:19] sleger : I like the new instruments tab though !
[2016-10-05 20:24:04] BitMEX_Greg : sleger: I understand your comments made
[2016-10-05 20:24:59] BitMEX_Greg : I'll have a talk to the guys about it later when everyone is online
[2016-10-05 20:25:02] BitMEX_Greg : What do you suggest anyway?
[2016-10-05 20:25:58] sleger : well first you cost me 10 g and now you want me to help you design your systems ?
[2016-10-05 20:26:02] BitMEX_Greg : We want to try make it fair. Most other exchanges either deleverage the opposite trader in the liquidated position, or just profit
[2016-10-05 20:26:28] BitMEX_Greg : No, I'm asking for your specific opinion here since you seem to be full of them
[2016-10-05 20:27:03] MrRGnome : BitMEX_Greg: I'd like to echo @sleger concern
[2016-10-05 20:27:07] sleger : that's gonna cost you 10.1k
[2016-10-05 20:27:39] MrRGnome : I agree it's easier to be acritic than constructive, but that doesn't negate the criticism.
[2016-10-05 20:27:50] BitMEX_Greg : We have looked at how other exchanges have done it, and we have tried to make it the most fair.
[2016-10-05 20:28:13] arbitrage001 : May I suggest just lower the leverage
[2016-10-05 20:28:22] arbitrage001 : guess not lol
[2016-10-05 20:28:33] BitMEX_Greg : E.g. 1 exchange closes the traders with the most profit, another exchange closes those who directly traded against the liquidated user, and another exchange closed all traders proportionately
[2016-10-05 20:29:07] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 5 @ 0.02143
[2016-10-05 20:29:11] BitMEX_Greg : We aim to deleverage traders who are highly leveraged and have the most profit.
[2016-10-05 20:29:31] sleger : a system that is easy to game is not good
[2016-10-05 20:30:10] MrRGnome : I would be interested in ways of making ADL more transparent without exposing other traders positions entirely. Anything that would make quantifying risk easier. I can't use your platform to hedge when I may be force closed my position without warning. if I use the current warning system ie the lights, I'm always red so I guess I can never trade unless I'm in a losing position.
[2016-10-05 20:30:19] BitMEX_Greg : This week is obviously going to be different to next week since we introduced this system on Monday, and so some people were marked back to that rebalance price.\
[2016-10-05 20:30:19] arbitrage001 : sleger: you should exploit any flaw in the system
[2016-10-05 20:30:40] arbitrage001 : fair game to any exchange anyway
[2016-10-05 20:31:07] lockhedge : sleger: you have to pay the full spread and taker fees for two trades to "game the system", it might be cheaper to re-enter a trade after ADL
[2016-10-05 20:31:25] sleger : yes but that gaming (which I descibed) doesnt make you money (indirectly maybe as it lowers your ADL risk) and it takes time, effort etc... it's just a pain
[2016-10-05 20:31:37] BitMEX_Greg : MrRGnome: You are saying you are always at the top-risk quintile of being deleveraged as soon as you open a position?
[2016-10-05 20:31:45] BitMEX_Greg : I suggest to lower the leverage, or be less profitable haha
[2016-10-05 20:31:53] sleger : lockhedge: no you dont i said you can trade against your little brother account
[2016-10-05 20:32:21] REKT : Liquidated short on `XMR7D`: Buy 400 @ 0.011145
[2016-10-05 20:32:22] BitMEX_Sam : Consider this - the "penalty" when you are deleveraged is the requirement to re-enter the market
[2016-10-05 20:32:32] BitMEX_Sam : If you do it for yourself, it makes sense to lower your position in the queue
[2016-10-05 20:32:51] BitMEX_Sam : I wouldn't consider it "gaming" or an "exploit" when it costs real money to do and has dubious benefit
[2016-10-05 20:33:45] wurstgelee : wow
[2016-10-05 20:33:46] wurstgelee : rep
[2016-10-05 20:33:49] wurstgelee : wtf
[2016-10-05 20:35:15] MrRGnome : Several times now I've opened positions trying to catch the falling monero knife and a situation not unlike what sleger first came to you with occurs. I am in marginal profit with a small position and all my lights are lit red. That's annoying, but the real concern for me is if I'm using your platform as a hedge. How can I anticipate the liquidation of a profitable position so I can set orders for whatever I'm hedging against to coincide the liquidation, or get out early to avoid the entire pain. The slippage that occurs between you force liquidating a profitable position and me becoming aware of that and attempting to place orders on the other instrument represents a level of risk that really bothers me.
[2016-10-05 20:36:54] wurstgelee : i can say it with less words: ADL is annoying af
[2016-10-05 20:36:55] sleger : that 's exactly what you clients will come to realize is the issue when it happens to them
[2016-10-05 20:37:40] BitMEX_Greg : MrRGnome: As I said, this week is going to be a bit different to how it will work in the future since the introduction only on Monday. When you have a full contract listing this Friday, I see the issue you are describing to occur less.
[2016-10-05 20:38:06] BitMEX_Greg : wurstgelee: What do you specifically find annoying abouti t?
[2016-10-05 20:38:09] wurstgelee : the fact that it even possible that my profitable positions get force closed is annoying....
[2016-10-05 20:38:14] wurstgelee : *is
[2016-10-05 20:38:28] lockhedge : BitMEX_Sam: @sleger still has a point that long-term positions (e.g. hedgers) are disadvantaged vs. highly leveraged short-term positions. would it make sense to still rebalance (just for ADL purposes) unrealised profits on a daily basis?
[2016-10-05 20:38:32] sleger : "Update: Today alone we had ~9mm tokens redeemed for equity, and in total are well over 20,000,000bfx converted." -> awesome, they will be able to reimburse me
[2016-10-05 20:38:37] wurstgelee : *at random times since events are not predictable
[2016-10-05 20:39:03] sleger : lockhedge: yes that is a good solution and (how funny !) exactly what the "exploit" i was suggesting does
[2016-10-05 20:39:06] BitMEX_Sam : lockhedge: We may consider further weighting it toward lower-leverage positions, as that's the goal, to make long-term, low-leverage positions tenable
[2016-10-05 20:39:44] wurstgelee : adl makes it basically unlikely to keep high lev positions for weeks
[2016-10-05 20:39:45] BitMEX_Sam : The point is that when providing a highly leverage platform there is always a caveat, whether it's DPE or ADL, and ideally we are able to eliminate the moral hazard and allow most traders to trade without penalty
[2016-10-05 20:39:47] BitMEX_Greg : wurstgelee: Did you prefer the DPE based socialised loss system?
[2016-10-05 20:39:57] wurstgelee : yes
[2016-10-05 20:40:17] wurstgelee : probably because i often only check my positions once a day
[2016-10-05 20:40:19] wurstgelee : if not less
[2016-10-05 20:40:26] BitMEX_Greg : Thanks for the feedback,
[2016-10-05 20:40:32] Tetsuo : ADL totally kills the fun out XBJZ16. First i was glad about no more annoying funding in swaps, no there´s ADL. I think i might go back to the woodchipper for tradin BTC/USD
[2016-10-05 20:40:39] wurstgelee : for example i like keeping stuff open if i am going on vacation for a week...
[2016-10-05 20:40:44] BitMEX_Greg : In any case, we aim to reduce ADL as much as possible by attempting to fill liquidations in the market
[2016-10-05 20:40:49] Tetsuo : ^this
[2016-10-05 20:40:55] BitMEX_Greg : for any of you wondering why we kept the insurance fund
[2016-10-05 20:40:58] BitMEX_Greg : this is why
[2016-10-05 20:41:27] sleger : no lap dance ?
[2016-10-05 20:41:43] BitMEX_Greg : We are also looking at a system of possibly automatically re-entering into a position after being autodeleveraged
[2016-10-05 20:41:52] Tetsuo : i´m goin on vacation for 6 weeks in december, but there´s no point in opening a 3 months future, if it could get closed out after a week
[2016-10-05 20:42:03] wurstgelee : Tetsuo: that :)
[2016-10-05 20:42:16] BitMEX_Greg : I.e. if you check a preference of having a market order submitted, a max limit order, or some other preference that the user selects
[2016-10-05 20:42:22] MrRGnome : But doesn't that mean the auto-deleveragy suffer the slippage? @BitMEX_Greg
[2016-10-05 20:43:00] wurstgelee : BitMEX_Greg: if i open a long term position, i want it to stay open until i close it or mc. this is impossible @ bitmex now
[2016-10-05 20:43:12] BitMEX_Greg : it's up to the user as to how they want to re-enter, if they want the immediacy then they may suffer slippage. That is why we are looking at an option to have a limit order too
[2016-10-05 20:43:25] MrRGnome : That's a (pun intended) slipper slope. As much as I hate you exiting positions for me, I think I hate you entering them for me as much if not more unless you can get me the same price
[2016-10-05 20:43:41] MrRGnome : So long as that option is up to me then that's not too bad
[2016-10-05 20:43:42] wurstgelee : MrRGnome: exactly
[2016-10-05 20:43:43] BitMEX_Greg : As I said, it would be a user preference
[2016-10-05 20:43:47] wurstgelee : i want them to stay open ffs
[2016-10-05 20:44:06] BitMEX_Greg : We wouldn't automatically open a position for them unless they wanted it (by checking a preference box in the settings for example)
[2016-10-05 20:44:08] MrRGnome : What I really need as a trader is warning
[2016-10-05 20:44:10] wurstgelee : not getting closed because someone else fucked up his position....
[2016-10-05 20:44:36] wurstgelee : the fact someone else's incompetence closed my profitable position is basically unbearable
[2016-10-05 20:44:39] MrRGnome : This light system isn't doing it for me. I need a legitimate idea of when I am going to be force liquidated if it's a necessary evil
[2016-10-05 20:44:54] BitMEX_Sam : If your idea is to open a hedge, DPE was worse in a lot of respects.
[2016-10-05 20:44:58] wurstgelee : also no clue what those annoying are telling me. they change every few mins or so
[2016-10-05 20:45:00] BitMEX_Sam : MrRGnome: No other platform even gives you any indication.
[2016-10-05 20:45:08] wurstgelee : *lights
[2016-10-05 20:45:21] BitMEX_Greg : wurstgelee: As Sam was saying, we need to have a system that offsets the ability to offer high leverage. By doing so increases moral hazard and increases the risk of unfilled liquidations. If we didn't have ADL then you may be in a position where 90% of your profits may be re-distributed
[2016-10-05 20:45:21] MrRGnome : So @BitMEX_Sam I love your platform It's great. I clearly think it's better than others or I wouldn't be using it
[2016-10-05 20:45:25] MrRGnome : Please dont' get defensive guys
[2016-10-05 20:45:30] wurstgelee : they are red 90% anyways...
[2016-10-05 20:45:49] wurstgelee : BitMEX_Greg: i prefer that over getting force-closed tbh
[2016-10-05 20:46:23] BitMEX_Greg : wurstgelee: Please understand that this week is doing to be different than normal given we introduced the ADL system on Monday, and most users "average entry price" is the rebalance price.
[2016-10-05 20:46:31] BitMEX_Greg : wurstgelee: One of the few then.
[2016-10-05 20:46:36] wurstgelee : maybe
[2016-10-05 20:46:57] MrRGnome : If you genuinely believe your solution to this impossible problem is above improvement or criticism maybe you think you're just a little too much better than the competition.
[2016-10-05 20:47:02] wurstgelee : i bet there are others who want to do they "lazy" stuff of getting into a position and not caring about it for weeks...
[2016-10-05 20:47:12] BitMEX_Greg : I will be surprised if we see the events you are happening to be as frequent from next week onwards
[2016-10-05 20:47:56] arbitrage001 : to be honest, i prefer less leverage
[2016-10-05 20:47:58] BitMEX_Sam : MrRGnome: That's not what we're saying, we're saying that this is a very hard problem that nobody has yet solved - we're doing what we can and we firmly believe this is better than what else is out there
[2016-10-05 20:48:01] BitMEX_Greg : MrRGnome: We do not believe that at all. I would say we are one of the most adaptable exchanges out there. Are we not engaging with you guys now to find out?
[2016-10-05 20:49:18] MrRGnome : BitMEX_Sam: You guys are, but you keep pointing to other exchanges as your defence. Is your idea not sufficient to stand on it's own against what it could be and how your traders interact with it? We're having problems. I am having problems. I need better tools to quantify my risk. I need more warning when I'm about to be force closed
[2016-10-05 20:49:33] wurstgelee : BitMEX_Sam: @BitMEX_Greg maybe u are right. maybe not. right now - with current ADL behavior vs old DPE - i would prefer DPE
[2016-10-05 20:49:38] wurstgelee : surprise me ;)
[2016-10-05 20:49:52] BitMEX_Sam : MrRGnome: There's not an easy solution.
[2016-10-05 20:50:03] BitMEX_Sam : You can't have it all - high leverage, no clawback risk. It doesn't exist
[2016-10-05 20:50:11] MrRGnome : I know that.
[2016-10-05 20:50:16] BitMEX_Sam : Nobody can offer that, it's varying degrees of compromises to shift the hazard.
[2016-10-05 20:50:39] wurstgelee : i will be pissed every single time i get force-closed out of a profitable position tho. especially the ones on low volume contracts like ZEC...
[2016-10-05 20:50:46] MrRGnome : Which is why, accepting ADL as a necessary evil, what are some ways to make it more transparent without exposing others positions, what are some ways to notify users with more reliability than this light system that they are going to be force closed?
[2016-10-05 20:50:52] wurstgelee : u guys have a clue how long it took me to build that cheap long? :P
[2016-10-05 20:50:55] BitMEX_Sam : So no, you can't simultaneously open a position for 3M, let it lie, and have a highly-leveraged market. Nobody can offer that. You can either work on a market that offers minimal or no leverage, or watch your position.
[2016-10-05 20:51:34] BitMEX_Sam : MrRGnome: I'm not sure. We have to balance the two - like Greg was saying the lights will be much more granular in the future as more positions are opened and the last rebalance is farther in the past.
[2016-10-05 20:52:13] BitMEX_Sam : It's of course not possible to anticipate liquidations or market movements, so the best we can give you is an idea of your place in the queue.
[2016-10-05 20:53:00] BitMEX_Sam : We're of course open to suggestions which is why we're chatting here in the first place.
[2016-10-05 20:53:15] MrRGnome : But if I'm #1 in the queue (red) with these minor positions, what logic does that tell me to execute? Get out while you can? Don't trade today?
[2016-10-05 20:53:58] sleger : it tells you to close and reopen agaisnt your second account to put back the unrealised profit to zero and lower your position in the queue
[2016-10-05 20:54:12] sleger : and let someone take the hit