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[2016-10-04 20:23:15] BitMEX_Sam : Right - the main draw for keeping insurance is twofold: 1. It *should* be expensive to lose your position, because you may cause an ADL event - we shouldn't incentivize this by recovering profits, and 2. Funds recovered by the above can help keep ADL away for the rest of our users.
[2016-10-04 20:24:22] AudibleScience : I see. It would have been a nice touch if you had dynamically reallocated the insurance fund to those who had filled it up. lol
[2016-10-04 21:25:23] omicron : dont give them even more ideas @AudibleScience. platform is complicated enough as it is
[2016-10-04 21:25:43] omicron : i can trade now, but if they add 3 more features i wont know what im doing
[2016-10-04 21:35:16] smagin07 : Litecoin to the moon!
[2016-10-04 21:59:55] Mm bot : There is a bug on the API
[2016-10-04 22:02:12] Mm bot : conplain about account balance and required amount. MMbot running for months now it shows error that 8000000XBT required. We don't have that much Bitcoin in existence. #greed
[2016-10-04 22:10:49] BitMEX_Sam : You might be confusing `XBT` with `XBt`. `XBt` is Satoshis, 1/10e8 Bitcoin.
[2016-10-04 23:04:56] mjones : @smagin07 ltc volume so low. Wonder if it'll break up randomly or wait to follow btc next move
[2016-10-05 00:01:42] sleger : OMG the UI is sooooooooooo coool
[2016-10-05 00:11:29] Rado : which UI sleger
[2016-10-05 00:11:36] sleger : refresh ?
[2016-10-05 00:26:26] Rado : The tabs?
[2016-10-05 00:27:02] omicron : obviously the only new thing on the UI is the orderbook
[2016-10-05 00:29:00] MrRGnome : Can someone explain why my entirely unleveraged position of +100 XMR is indicated as red in the develeraging queue? I'm not even leveraged.
[2016-10-05 00:30:19] Rado : MrRGnome: what do you mean you are not leveraged?
[2016-10-05 00:30:54] MrRGnome : I mean my liquidation price is -.--, I am below 1:1 leverage.
[2016-10-05 00:31:09] MrRGnome : way way way below
[2016-10-05 00:31:25] Codychaosx@gmail.com : This whole place is da shit.
[2016-10-05 00:31:38] sleger : MrRGnome: cause not many people are >0 pnl alledgedly
[2016-10-05 00:31:54] sleger : *allegedly
[2016-10-05 00:32:18] habibi : Codychaosx@gmail.com nice nick:)
[2016-10-05 00:32:19] sleger : and it's a communist bitcoin exchange, so they take from the winners to give to the losers
[2016-10-05 00:32:30] MrRGnome : So because there is large risk on the other side of the contract, my position is at risk to fill the losers?
[2016-10-05 00:33:00] sleger : depends what you mean by "large risk"
[2016-10-05 00:33:13] sleger : the open position is the same size for shorts and longs
[2016-10-05 00:33:58] MrRGnome : Right, and I guess my understanding now is that if say, shorts get crushed and have to liquidate, my profitable long may also be liquidated to fill the shorts liquidation orders
[2016-10-05 00:34:04] MrRGnome : Is that right?
[2016-10-05 00:34:08] sleger : yes
[2016-10-05 00:35:02] MrRGnome : That's fucked. I can't unexpectedly be picked out of a minorly profitable position
[2016-10-05 00:35:06] MrRGnome : this is going to fuck with my trading hard
[2016-10-05 00:36:02] omicron : MrRGnome: when you say "hard" im guessing you dont mean your ...
[2016-10-05 00:36:07] sleger : yes'
[2016-10-05 00:36:29] sleger : stupid comment @omicron
[2016-10-05 00:36:48] omicron : anyway ADL is only an issue if there is a big move, right? and only for the highest lev traders?
[2016-10-05 00:37:07] MrRGnome : Apparently leverage has nothing to do with it, you can eb boned regardless of your leverage
[2016-10-05 00:37:10] omicron : its not gonna do anything in this chop. am i right?
[2016-10-05 00:37:15] MrRGnome : You'll just be boned in profit
[2016-10-05 00:37:42] omicron : can someone from bitmex clarify MrRGnome's point. Is leverage nothing to do with ADL?
[2016-10-05 00:38:26] MrRGnome : My understanding is that leverage is what causes liquidation, liquidation causes people who aren't lveraged and currently in profit to also be liquidated to fill the losers orders
[2016-10-05 00:40:30] MrRGnome : thus making bitmex, to my knowledge, the only exchange where you can be liquidated from a profitable position.
[2016-10-05 00:41:14] Rado : MrRGnome: I don't think you will be liquidated
[2016-10-05 00:42:18] BitMEX_Arthur : Hi guys. Our new ADL system is similar to Huobi and BTCC
[2016-10-05 00:42:43] BitMEX_Arthur : and they got this idea from some traditional futures exchanges in China who employ a similar system
[2016-10-05 00:43:00] MrRGnome : BitMEX_Arthur: Simple question, can I be liquidated from a profitable position.
[2016-10-05 00:43:24] BitMEX_Arthur : you are liquidated your profitable position is closed early
[2016-10-05 00:43:29] BitMEX_Arthur : are not
[2016-10-05 00:43:52] MrRGnome : I'm sorry, you're saying your profitable positions ARE NOT closed early? I.E. sieger is wrong?
[2016-10-05 00:44:53] sleger : sleger is never wrong
[2016-10-05 00:45:08] MrRGnome : Because if you are force closing a position, I call that a liquidation. Call it what we wan,t it's force closing aposition and messing with my trading strategy in a way I can not hedge or manage risk
[2016-10-05 00:45:55] BitMEX_Arthur : I am saying you are not liquidated. When a liquidation happens you lose your maintenance margin. When you are closed out early, you most likely will be closed out in profit and you do not lose your maintenance margin.
[2016-10-05 00:46:15] MrRGnome : 'most likely' in profit when you force my liquidation? How is that aceptable?
[2016-10-05 00:46:30] omicron : its as if you closed out early, thats all
[2016-10-05 00:46:53] omicron : i.e. if price moves against you, you lose everything, if price moves with you, you lose profits
[2016-10-05 00:47:14] omicron : so basically, you can lose big or make small profit.
[2016-10-05 00:47:36] MrRGnome : That's not acceptable in any way
[2016-10-05 00:47:55] MrRGnome : If you can only lose big, but not win big, then you will a sa function fo time always lose
[2016-10-05 00:48:10] MrRGnome : They have screwed up my ability to manage my risk versus potential gains
[2016-10-05 00:48:15] omicron : not always tho, they rank who is gonna be ADL'd
[2016-10-05 00:48:17] MrRGnome : because now my potential gains are not in my control
[2016-10-05 00:48:30] omicron : so if you find yourself in the list, just exit or increase leverage
[2016-10-05 00:48:42] sleger : increase leverage ? dummy
[2016-10-05 00:48:43] MrRGnome : Well they have me ranked high to ADL with a freaking 100 XMR buy in 0.2 xbt of profit
[2016-10-05 00:48:49] MrRGnome : So clearly that argument is a wash
[2016-10-05 00:48:51] sleger : that would only make things worse
[2016-10-05 00:49:03] MrRGnome : *0.02 xbt profit
[2016-10-05 00:49:24] omicron : has anyone ever been ADL on this exchange? otherwise, this is all theoretical arguments
[2016-10-05 00:52:09] omicron : the order book has entries 50 points on each side of the spread. is ADL ever gonna even trigger?
[2016-10-05 00:52:29] omicron : im not saying it wont. i dont know so im asking
[2016-10-05 00:52:32] habibi : MrRGnome: ur potential gains could be f()cked up by dpe before
[2016-10-05 00:52:45] TraderStefan : habibi +1
[2016-10-05 00:52:56] omicron : DPE is a guaranteed f()
[2016-10-05 00:53:01] omicron : ADL is lottery
[2016-10-05 00:53:09] sleger : is 0 micron the size of his brain ?
[2016-10-05 00:53:33] omicron : im not very smart. im a new trader
[2016-10-05 00:53:35] MrRGnome : And many times they have been. Doesn't change the fact that I need to be able to close my own profitable positions when I want in order to quanitify riska nd reward
[2016-10-05 00:54:13] sleger : i dont know why they didnt just copy what other exchanges are doing
[2016-10-05 00:54:46] sleger : "BitMEX_Arthur: Hi guys. Our new ADL system is similar to Huobi and BTCC" similar yes, better no
[2016-10-05 00:54:47] MrRGnome : Is there anyway for me to see the full ADL queue? There's the only way i can see this working for me
[2016-10-05 00:55:39] BitMEX_Arthur : MrRGnome: No we give you a rough indication but if we give you too much information you can work out liquidation prices of other traders
[2016-10-05 00:56:17] MrRGnome : Without more detailed and quantifiable information about my risk of being forcibly removed from my position how can I understand my risk?
[2016-10-05 00:56:39] sleger : BitMEX_Arthur: why on earth gave you the idea to use unrealised profit in the ranking system ?
[2016-10-05 00:56:39] omicron : BitMEX_Arthur: am i wrong in saying that ADL is unlikely? I feel like Im defending you guys without help
[2016-10-05 00:57:16] omicron : its unrealized profit? i thought it was leverage
[2016-10-05 00:58:12] sleger : omicron: read the docs
[2016-10-05 00:58:33] sleger : it's some weird made up mix of both
[2016-10-05 00:58:41] sleger : but the UI here is sooooooooo nice !
[2016-10-05 00:59:14] Rado : lol sleger
[2016-10-05 00:59:17] omicron : sleger: ah! i get it you are being sarcastic with the sooooooo .... sorry, i didnt get it before
[2016-10-05 00:59:38] sleger : lots of other things like that it seems
[2016-10-05 00:59:41] MrRGnome : I imagine it's because unrealized profit is based on the mark price which is the liquidation price for a losing trader and the 'forced sell' price for the profitable trader. The unrealized profit total for all 'force closed'/liquidated orders must be equal to 0, I imagine.
[2016-10-05 01:00:06] sleger : that's not why I think (know) it is a bad idea to use unrealised profit
[2016-10-05 01:00:19] omicron : Ranking = PNL Percentage * Effective Leverage (if PNL percentage > 0)
[2016-10-05 01:00:48] sleger : and no, I actually like the UI here it is great , too bad the by sell buttons are not in the right place
[2016-10-05 01:00:59] omicron : so if i enter at 600 and the price is 606, thats 1%, if my leverage is 100% then im ranked at 100
[2016-10-05 01:02:06] omicron : i suppose they measure percent like 0.01 x 100 = 1
[2016-10-05 01:02:31] sleger : the light is on but there's noone there
[2016-10-05 01:03:05] sleger : hey @habibi, you can have a new chat buddy
[2016-10-05 01:03:20] omicron : so if you have 0.005 x 50 = 0.25?
[2016-10-05 01:04:19] sleger : dude i dont know that requires a Phd in maths ....
[2016-10-05 01:05:07] omicron : i'm just wondering why they call it rank if its not a whole number
[2016-10-05 01:05:22] habibi : sleger: i will leave him to u, looks like u got on perfectly well
[2016-10-05 01:05:57] sleger : reminds me of our first convos
[2016-10-05 01:06:00] MrRGnome : rank is relative though to other traders as well as other traders leverage. I believe. I.E. if traders shorting are very highly leveraged compared to traders who are long and there is no market volume to fill liquidations, it doesn't matter what your adl rank is numerically, you'll be indicated as 'red' in the UI because even at the middle or bottom of the queue, profitable positions need to be liquidated to cover bid gamblers losses. That's what's happening to me RIGHT NOW. I have a negligible position in monero and I'm sure my numerical ADL rank is also insignificant yet I am still indicated as at the top of the queue presumably because monero shorters are highly leveraged.
[2016-10-05 01:06:49] omicron : so the right answer is to reduce leverage offered
[2016-10-05 01:08:16] sleger : didnt you suggest to increase leverage a few minutes ago ? @omicron
[2016-10-05 01:08:35] sleger : MrRGnome: I think the answer is quite different than that
[2016-10-05 01:08:56] sleger : you are long AND are in profit, although the price went down, so there is almost noone else like you
[2016-10-05 01:09:28] sleger : if shorts were to be liquidated (VERY unlikely) then yes you'd be ADL'ed, but thats unlikely to happen because of those circumstances
[2016-10-05 01:10:17] sleger : I'm sure Arthur will figure it out at some point
[2016-10-05 01:13:00] MrRGnome : The way these altcoins move, I don't think it's nearly as unlikely as you do. I can for sure see the possibility for any alt to jump several percent up or down, which for highly leveraged traders could easily cause liquidations, even more so when bitmex's liquidity is so shallow compared to the markets it tracks.
[2016-10-05 01:13:35] sleger : i dont think you got it
[2016-10-05 01:13:49] sleger : "you are long AND are in profit, although the price went down" -> that's rare
[2016-10-05 01:14:07] MrRGnome : I get that
[2016-10-05 01:14:22] sleger : so you are first in line should any long get liquidated
[2016-10-05 01:14:30] sleger : because who else is short and in the black ? noone
[2016-10-05 01:14:40] MrRGnome : What you and I seem to disagree on is that it's entirely possible for the market to jump, with very few bitmex orders joining my in profit (or loss)
[2016-10-05 01:14:41] habibi : MrRGnome: when was last time u had bankruptcy in shitcoins here?
[2016-10-05 01:14:44] sleger : (i'm not saying I agree with the logic of the system )
[2016-10-05 01:15:02] MrRGnome : I've never hit bankruptcy in shit coins here. Shit coins make me money because I'm usually short
[2016-10-05 01:15:48] sleger : so what are you doing long XMR ? :p
[2016-10-05 01:15:57] MrRGnome : catching a small bounce before shorting again
[2016-10-05 01:16:59] sleger : I had the same thing the other day, tiny ETH position (<100) and tiny unrealised (<0.1xbt) and overall leverage <1 and yet all 5 lights were lit
[2016-10-05 01:17:13] MrRGnome : I remember seeing you had that issue
[2016-10-05 01:17:30] sleger : turns out it was shortly after last rebalance, i was short and price was up a lot and in profit, almost noone else must have been >0 then
[2016-10-05 01:17:35] sleger : hence the 5 lights lit
[2016-10-05 01:17:51] sleger : but nobody would be liquidated in such a case (very unlikely)
[2016-10-05 01:18:15] sleger : but still I agree the formula is dumb, has 0 meaning behind it, is not what other major exchanges do, and is just plain stupid
[2016-10-05 01:18:29] sleger : ADLing a trader with <1 leverage, tiny position is just nonsense
[2016-10-05 01:19:01] MrRGnome : The fact that it's even possible is very annoying, how do I model this when it's so opaque?
[2016-10-05 01:20:07] sleger : you wait for the email that you got ADL'ed (or monitor your position via API) and you retake it
[2016-10-05 01:20:11] MrRGnome : How can I hedge? Sure maybe one of my positions is in great profit, but it's covering a huge loss. I can't have it closed unexpectedly
[2016-10-05 01:20:28] MrRGnome : Yeah, you'd fucking have to. Just obnoxious
[2016-10-05 01:21:24] sleger : well, that's how the system works
[2016-10-05 01:21:39] sleger : if you want 50x leverage perpetual swap you dont have much choice
[2016-10-05 01:21:47] MrRGnome : true enough
[2016-10-05 01:21:54] sleger : or btc vs japanese yen futures....
[2016-10-05 01:22:13] MrRGnome : I could care less about the leverage honestly, I just like the security measures and that everything is in btc on th eplatform
[2016-10-05 01:23:10] MrRGnome : the leverage is a nice little bonus
[2016-10-05 01:24:07] sleger : I like having eth futures (or swap...) and earning the funding rate on btc swap
[2016-10-05 01:24:11] omicron : MrRGnome: what security? they claimed 24 hr session was a great security feature and then changed it to 30days without telling how security was not impacted
[2016-10-05 01:24:51] sleger : i'm getting paid to provide funding to gamblers on 50x, that's something...
[2016-10-05 01:26:55] sleger : oh, and the UI is soooooooo nice !!
[2016-10-05 01:38:51] REKT : Liquidated short on `FCTXBT`: Buy 140 @ 0.004343
[2016-10-05 01:43:45] zanza : I was thinking of doing that sleger
[2016-10-05 01:43:53] zanza : short XBT just for the funding
[2016-10-05 01:44:04] zanza : someone said its average like 50% annual
[2016-10-05 01:45:01] d00ber : wow ZEC at .13
[2016-10-05 01:48:21] REKT : Liquidated short on `FCTXBT`: Buy 1000 @ 0.004584
[2016-10-05 03:32:33] j8 : definitely something funny with the ADL lights, I have all 5 on but Unrealised PNL is negative
[2016-10-05 03:35:33] jeeburns : what is with this whole Mark Price? the buy order is at 608.22 yet my unrealised is red even though i'm in under 608
[2016-10-05 03:43:44] BitMEX_Arthur : jeeburns: https://www.bitmex.com/app/fairPriceMarking
[2016-10-05 03:49:33] rapidtrades : BitMEX_Arthur: hey can u add a number 1-5 next to the indicator
[2016-10-05 03:49:45] jeeburns : speak english doc lol, ok good enough i'll figure it out thanks
[2016-10-05 03:49:52] rapidtrades : or make it so that the lights are on/off and not fade in/out
[2016-10-05 04:45:31] BitMEX_Jinming : j8: ADL ranking is for longs and shorts separately. For that contract, almost all shorts have unrealised loss since price is up, so you see high ranking. However shorts won't worry about ADL if price keeps going up.
[2016-10-05 04:47:37] j8 : is it possible to be deleveraged at a loss?
[2016-10-05 04:48:24] BitMEX_Jinming : j8: yes, but less likely.
[2016-10-05 05:02:14] j8 : ok. anyway i agree with sleger that it's a confusing formula and pnl probably shouldn't matter.. it makes it harder to hold a long term position, you would need to take profit and reopen to reduce your risk (or trade to yourself in another account)
[2016-10-05 05:11:28] BitMEX_Jinming : j8: when we designed the ranking method, we looked at other exchanges and found most of them are using Pnl, either closing one by one or all proportionally. So we use similar way to make sure profitable positions are always deleveraged before losing ones.
[2016-10-05 05:12:54] BitMEX_Jinming : j8: and since we offer high leverage, we decided to consider leverage too in the ranking. So for profitable positions the ranking is essentially the effective ROI.
[2016-10-05 05:15:08] BitMEX_Jinming : We are also looking at adding an option to automatically re-enter position after being deleveraged.
[2016-10-05 05:16:17] j8 : so you just have to trade with yourself to go to the back of the queue. whoever doesn't play that game is at the front
[2016-10-05 05:24:01] BitMEX_Jinming : if you close current position and open a new position, then the new position will have its new ranking.
[2016-10-05 07:19:23] zanza : cheap XMR guys
[2016-10-05 07:31:33] rapidtrades : zanza: u 1st m8
[2016-10-05 07:32:08] rapidtrades : j8: tnx for that tip
[2016-10-05 07:32:53] rapidtrades : I also agree with sleger and j8, PnL shouldn't matter
[2016-10-05 08:41:05] lockhedge : imho it's important that PNL matters, otherwise ADL would (more) frequently realize losses instead of profits. however i agree that leverage should have a higher weight than PNL in the formula.
[2016-10-05 10:30:51] billyboy402 : do the mods still reply to admin@bitmex.com ? send a email but thought it would of been answer by now
[2016-10-05 10:39:41] BitMEX_Wally : billyboy402: Sorry, I think that email address only goes to Sam. Send it to support@bitmex.com and we'll all see it
[2016-10-05 10:40:12] billyboy402 : cheer mate
[2016-10-05 10:46:03] 12 : 请问有没有客服QQ？
[2016-10-05 10:46:07] 12 : 有急事着客服
[2016-10-05 10:49:21] BitMEX_Jinming : 12: 你好
[2016-10-05 10:49:28] BitMEX_Jinming : 12: 有什么问题？
[2016-10-05 10:53:52] REKT : Liquidated long on `FCTXBT`: Sell 4000 @ 0.004053
[2016-10-05 10:53:52] REKT : Liquidated long on `FCTXBT`: Sell 3 @ 0.004057 :punch: :whale:
[2016-10-05 10:57:07] 12 : 我从比特币中国转过来2个比特币 已经2个小时 还没有到账
[2016-10-05 10:57:09] 12 : 非常着急
[2016-10-05 10:57:22] 12 : 我的手续费是0.0005个币
[2016-10-05 10:57:31] 12 : 按道理不应该这么慢
[2016-10-05 10:57:55] 12 : 麻烦你帮我查下 谢谢
[2016-10-05 10:58:03] 12 : 2个小时；
[2016-10-05 11:00:39] BitMEX_Jinming : 12: 你可以在Blockchain.info上看到这笔交易么？我们一旦有一个确认就会到账
[2016-10-05 11:01:40] 12 : 一直是pending 状态
[2016-10-05 11:02:15] 12 : 麻烦加我QQ116233742
[2016-10-05 11:02:17] 12 : 我发截图您
[2016-10-05 11:02:42] BitMEX_Jinming : 12: 那就是因为比特币网络还未确认你的交易
[2016-10-05 11:02:52] BitMEX_Jinming : 12: 稍等，我加你的qq
[2016-10-05 11:04:58] 12 : 谢谢
[2016-10-05 11:09:15] rapidtrades : cmon...60 cents for tokens?
[2016-10-05 11:09:36] rapidtrades : they only raised 2.5 mil
[2016-10-05 11:09:43] rapidtrades : where's the rest gonna come from
[2016-10-05 11:15:48] Kalman : rapidtrades: not closed yet but > min target ...
[2016-10-05 11:17:31] rapidtrades : ...
[2016-10-05 11:17:48] rapidtrades : if u don't have anything smart to add, better to not say anything at all
[2016-10-05 11:18:37] rapidtrades : they only verifiable stat we have says 2.5$ mil raised while buttfinex redditor claims 20mil
[2016-10-05 11:19:06] rapidtrades : we seem to have a mismatch
[2016-10-05 11:19:32] rapidtrades : I call it the 'lie gap'
[2016-10-05 11:56:59] Tetsuo : Quoine is bullish.
[2016-10-05 12:31:28] Tetsuo : China too : - )
[2016-10-05 12:49:21] mjones : ending dec 30 is pretty bullish $25 higher
[2016-10-05 12:49:58] mjones : no one trades the daily any more it looks like
[2016-10-05 12:56:47] rapidtrades : why would u trade the daily when u have swap
[2016-10-05 12:57:00] rapidtrades : also why would u pay 25$ premium when u have swap
[2016-10-05 13:07:30] sleger : to avoid funding surprises
[2016-10-05 13:25:26] kumarz : Any news that's driven today's little BTC rise peeps ?
[2016-10-05 13:30:42] rapidtrades : what rise...
[2016-10-05 13:31:10] kumarz : rapidtrades: hehe touche
[2016-10-05 13:48:23] Boontjie : Finally bitcoin is increasing
[2016-10-05 14:10:07] REKT : Liquidated long on `XMR7D`: Sell 660 @ 0.011674
[2016-10-05 14:10:21] REKT : Liquidated long on `XMR7D`: Sell 16 @ 0.011647
[2016-10-05 14:10:32] REKT : Liquidated long on `XMR7D`: Sell 5 @ 0.011546
[2016-10-05 14:15:50] Rado : rapidtrades: $25 premium could become $100 premium
[2016-10-05 14:16:06] Rado : so with swap you will not make that difference
[2016-10-05 14:16:18] Rado : if BTC jumps
[2016-10-05 14:19:52] cengel : did XMR7D go under 0.011 in mark price? why liquidations below?
[2016-10-05 14:23:31] Boontjie : cengel: check closely, they are all above 0.011
[2016-10-05 14:23:45] Rado : Liquidations are not under 0.011
[2016-10-05 14:23:53] cengel : meh mine says 0.0107
[2016-10-05 14:24:13] cengel : under exec price and price under Fills. oh well
[2016-10-05 14:24:16] Rado : That is your bankruptcy price
[2016-10-05 14:24:26] Rado : not liquidation
[2016-10-05 14:24:47] Rado : includes part for an insurance
[2016-10-05 14:37:03] habibi : BitMEX_Jinming: any eta on adding rep?
[2016-10-05 14:41:08] BitMEX_Greg : habibi: It's in testnet now, we are hoping by morning HK time, but don't quote me on that
[2016-10-05 14:41:19] habibi : BitMEX_Greg: great ty
[2016-10-05 14:49:52] laisee : kraken listing REP also
[2016-10-05 14:50:14] sleger : again ! They already listed it yesterday
[2016-10-05 14:50:49] laisee : hoping to repeat the first days success
[2016-10-05 15:11:26] Airmike : BitMEX_Greg: thank you for changing product panel on the top.
[2016-10-05 15:31:55] BitMEX_Greg : Airmike: That is Sam's genius. Cleaning up the interface a bit
[2016-10-05 15:35:24] Tetsuo : to make space for more shitcoins?
[2016-10-05 15:53:11] omicron : BitMEX_Greg: Sam is talented for sure ... but changing the look of tabs is genius now? Come on guys!
[2016-10-05 15:54:12] rapidtrades : let's not forget that Sam killed a perfect UI few months ago
[2016-10-05 15:54:24] omicron : killed it how?
[2016-10-05 15:54:43] rapidtrades : order panel was centered and now we have this
[2016-10-05 15:54:58] sleger : omicron: I dont think you are competent enough to recognize genius anyways, you above all
[2016-10-05 15:56:24] rapidtrades : man my neck is killing me
[2016-10-05 15:56:26] omicron : i guess developers need to keep making changes
[2016-10-05 15:57:43] rapidtrades : sleger: how's that option selling going?
[2016-10-05 15:58:07] sleger : what option ?
[2016-10-05 15:58:32] rapidtrades : how do i know
[2016-10-05 15:58:56] sleger : you're the one asking about it...
[2016-10-05 15:59:16] rapidtrades : i thought u did that
[2016-10-05 15:59:57] sleger : well more than once so i dont know which one you're talking about
[2016-10-05 16:02:01] rapidtrades : so its not done in a systematic fashion?
[2016-10-05 16:02:10] laisee : sleger: didn't you quit the bitmex site b4?
[2016-10-05 16:02:38] omicron : he just gets curious to see what UI changes they did so he keeps coming back
[2016-10-05 16:02:47] sleger : I did, and now i only trade 10% max of my trading here
[2016-10-05 16:03:55] laisee : thanks for being so generous
[2016-10-05 16:04:19] rapidtrades : has anyone here gone back to bitfinex
[2016-10-05 16:04:29] rapidtrades : curious, not gonna call u an idiot
[2016-10-05 16:04:47] sleger : this way they can see how much they lose in fees
[2016-10-05 16:05:05] rapidtrades : lol
[2016-10-05 16:05:29] laisee : rapidtrades: I never left ... didn't get a chance
[2016-10-05 16:05:40] rapidtrades : laisee: explain?
[2016-10-05 16:06:11] laisee : as in, my money got caught in the 'robbery'
[2016-10-05 16:06:26] rapidtrades : yeah but talking about now
[2016-10-05 16:06:32] rapidtrades : are u back to trading there
[2016-10-05 16:06:44] laisee : trading BFX, yes
[2016-10-05 16:07:51] laisee : didn't lose more than a few K, so it seemed churlish to give up already when there was fun to be had.
[2016-10-05 16:09:22] rapidtrades : so u only trade bfx ok
[2016-10-05 16:09:45] rapidtrades : well there's one idiot...anyone else?
[2016-10-05 16:10:13] rapidtrades : cos it says 2.8k volume and that seems hard to believe
[2016-10-05 16:10:16] laisee : rapidtrades: not a man of his word.
[2016-10-05 16:10:28] rapidtrades : laisee: kidding :)
[2016-10-05 16:10:29] laisee : for BFX?
[2016-10-05 16:10:50] rapidtrades : they have to be faking it
[2016-10-05 16:10:57] habibi : rapidtrades: where is ur law suit against bfx?
[2016-10-05 16:11:14] laisee : its ok ... there is some amount if idiocy trading non-existent 'coins' on any exchange ...
[2016-10-05 16:11:20] rapidtrades : how am i supposed to sue a bankrupt company
[2016-10-05 16:11:32] laisee : sue the directors
[2016-10-05 16:11:34] habibi : u were talking for hours here about ur suit...
[2016-10-05 16:11:48] rapidtrades : yeah and 1 person joined
[2016-10-05 16:11:48] laisee : sue the office janitors
[2016-10-05 16:12:03] habibi : rapidtrades: still not a man of his word
[2016-10-05 16:12:30] rapidtrades : ur right
[2016-10-05 16:12:49] laisee : habibi: challenge him to a duel ... of wits
[2016-10-05 16:13:34] rapidtrades : sleger should sue....he prolly has few 10ks at stake
[2016-10-05 16:13:50] rapidtrades : it's worth it at that point to risk insolvency
[2016-10-05 16:14:20] rapidtrades : if they raise they money i will sue, i see no way i can lose
[2016-10-05 16:15:08] habibi : dont know what sleger should do, but u should not give any advise here in that matter
[2016-10-05 16:15:28] habibi : after ur loong monologues of how u will sue them
[2016-10-05 16:15:50] rapidtrades : i said ur right
[2016-10-05 16:15:57] habibi : so stick to it
[2016-10-05 16:15:59] rapidtrades : now shut up
[2016-10-05 16:16:21] habibi : yes, u should
[2016-10-05 16:16:26] laisee : why not just hack them and get yout $109.00 back
[2016-10-05 16:16:36] rapidtrades : https://bnktothefuture.com/pitches/bitfinex/conversations
[2016-10-05 16:16:42] rapidtrades : $2.5 mil in new money
[2016-10-05 16:17:05] rapidtrades : so they're 68 mil short
[2016-10-05 16:17:19] rapidtrades : what I'm gonna do if i win
[2016-10-05 16:17:31] habibi : at least 25m more to come btw
[2016-10-05 16:17:47] rapidtrades : afaik those are just conversions
[2016-10-05 16:17:54] rapidtrades : and according to them
[2016-10-05 16:17:58] rapidtrades : they lie, a lot
[2016-10-05 16:18:43] rapidtrades : i tried and everyone wanted to do his own thing
[2016-10-05 16:19:21] rapidtrades : https://www.reddit.com/r/bitfinexcal
[2016-10-05 16:22:11] laisee : XMR is a screaming BUY for anyone not caught in its death spiral.
[2016-10-05 16:23:18] rapidtrades : https://www.reddit.com/r/BitcoinMarkets/comments/55pdv5/trader_hangout_with_ceo_mike_belshe_of_bitgo_live/
[2016-10-05 16:27:07] rapidtrades : habibi: do u wanna join the suit ?
[2016-10-05 16:27:44] rapidtrades : i have Rado and one other guy...i think lol
[2016-10-05 16:28:05] rapidtrades : guess i misjudged how ballless this community is
[2016-10-05 16:31:09] habibi : just tell me how u wanna recover more in bankruptcy witch still will make ur recovery be way less then actual one with selling bfx coins at current price and ending with ~15% loss at current stage?
[2016-10-05 16:32:24] rapidtrades : that's stupid
[2016-10-05 16:32:37] rapidtrades : and fi tokens crash to .30 tomorrow?
[2016-10-05 16:32:55] habibi : buy the dip, sell in panic. whatever lol
[2016-10-05 16:32:58] rapidtrades : they already did once....it's just a buy&hold hope party
[2016-10-05 16:33:05] rapidtrades : that's not the point
[2016-10-05 16:33:11] rapidtrades : when u trade u have money at risk
[2016-10-05 16:33:44] rapidtrades : get me ppl and i will sue
[2016-10-05 16:34:00] habibi : lol its ur job to gather more followers of ur idea
[2016-10-05 16:34:05] rapidtrades : 70mil was lost....get me 1mil in claims and im sure some lawyer will be interested
[2016-10-05 16:34:24] rapidtrades : dude the sub was there for few weeks and i got <10 interested ppl
[2016-10-05 16:34:46] rapidtrades : and most of them wanted to do their own thing, sue individually
[2016-10-05 16:34:47] habibi : yea he will work for free coz u are not able to pay anything due to pretty small loss overall
[2016-10-05 16:35:28] rapidtrades : duh, that's the point of the sub.....get few hundred smaller claims
[2016-10-05 16:36:19] rapidtrades : im not suing until 1. they get money from morons or 2. until more ppl join to make it worth it
[2016-10-05 16:37:41] MrRGnome : rapidtrades how well do you understand your legal system? You say things sometimes that make me wonder.
[2016-10-05 16:38:38] MrRGnome : You are effectively saying you're going to create a tort suite of some kind at some unknown date in the future against a foreign held company, and you believe it has a 100% chance of success.
[2016-10-05 16:38:47] rapidtrades : i have a law degree, so pretty well
[2016-10-05 16:39:36] laisee : it would cost a lot to sue in all jurisdictions, find out where are the assets and pay to enforce - assuming you win.
[2016-10-05 16:39:46] MrRGnome : There has been nothing about your commentary ever in this trollbox that indicates you have even the loosest grasp on law or economics so I highly doubt that.
[2016-10-05 16:39:59] habibi : MrRGnome: touche :)
[2016-10-05 16:41:31] sleger : insults to your mama incoming in 3, 2, 1.....
[2016-10-05 16:41:43] laisee : rapidtrades: civil, criminal or commercial?
[2016-10-05 16:41:45] rapidtrades : I will sue and i will win
[2016-10-05 16:41:54] MrRGnome : In fact, I think you have some serious mental health problems. The constant need for attention, engaging in frequent and constant lies about your profession (it was professional trader with a decades experience last time you told me)
[2016-10-05 16:41:56] MrRGnome : Get help man,
[2016-10-05 16:42:12] MrRGnome : Talk to someone,. It doesn't have to be like this.
[2016-10-05 16:42:38] rapidtrades : yeah im a trader...how does that negate my law degree u twat
[2016-10-05 16:42:52] MrRGnome : Any other lies you want to spin into that web?
[2016-10-05 16:43:03] MrRGnome : Or are you just goign to get irrationally verbally abusive
[2016-10-05 16:43:08] rapidtrades : lol screw u
[2016-10-05 16:43:11] MrRGnome : the way a mentally ill and defensive person might.
[2016-10-05 16:43:33] rapidtrades : i have nothing to prove to a pack of ballless autists
[2016-10-05 16:43:51] MrRGnome : Strong retort, they teach you that one in law school?
[2016-10-05 16:43:52] rapidtrades : bend over and get f*cked again
[2016-10-05 16:44:29] rapidtrades : that's why this space is full of scammers
[2016-10-05 16:44:29] MrRGnome : I'd be surprised if you even had a liberal arts degree.
[2016-10-05 16:44:39] rapidtrades : cos of ballless idiots like u
[2016-10-05 16:44:57] MrRGnome : wHAT MAKES ME BALL-LESS? cALLING YOU OUT?
[2016-10-05 16:45:05] rapidtrades : retard
[2016-10-05 16:45:05] MrRGnome : Or caps lock?
[2016-10-05 16:45:54] MrRGnome : You just put yourself out there in a way that makes it too easy buddy, your constant need for attention mingled with the lies is just too much, pick one or the other if you want to get away with it.
[2016-10-05 16:46:32] rapidtrades : bitch my IQ is so high u can't get where I'm coming from even if u wanted to
[2016-10-05 16:46:48] MrRGnome : The timeless words of a scholar.
[2016-10-05 16:47:16] MrRGnome : Anyways I made my point. I really think you should just talk to someone man, someone not on a troll box. Hope you sort yourself out.
[2016-10-05 16:47:18] MrRGnome : <3
[2016-10-05 16:47:55] rapidtrades : f*ck off jew faced cunt
[2016-10-05 16:48:09] laisee : he's planning to talk to a lawyer. does that count as help?
[2016-10-05 16:48:37] MrRGnome : It sure does because he's not a lawyer, he'll need one to explain why his tort claim is useless.
[2016-10-05 16:49:06] rapidtrades : 1. stealing is not tort
[2016-10-05 16:49:26] rapidtrades : breaking bankruptcy laws it not tort either
[2016-10-05 16:49:36] rapidtrades : they are criminally liable
[2016-10-05 16:49:47] laisee : rapidtrades: what have you got against kittens, man> hve some mercy.
[2016-10-05 16:49:52] Tetsuo : i literally work in a mental asylum, can i help anyone here?
[2016-10-05 16:50:02] MrRGnome : Yeah. Like I said, Very obviously not a lawyer, let alone a tort lawyer.
[2016-10-05 16:50:17] rapidtrades : obviously
[2016-10-05 16:50:35] laisee : Tetsuo: meds are needed.
[2016-10-05 16:51:24] Tetsuo : : - )
[2016-10-05 16:51:32] laisee : lithium , followed by a quick trepanning to relieve pressure.
[2016-10-05 16:51:42] Tetsuo : lithoum is evil
[2016-10-05 16:52:03] Tetsuo : lobotomy on the other is quite helpful
[2016-10-05 16:52:42] MrRGnome : I didn't mean to start a shit on rapidtrades party, I just wanted the poor guy to admit to his growing and insane list of lies.
[2016-10-05 16:53:02] rapidtrades : ur an idiot
[2016-10-05 16:53:05] Tetsuo : rapidtrades is solid, go away u troll
[2016-10-05 16:53:31] rapidtrades : guy is so stupid he thinks a law degree is some big accomplishment to lie about
[2016-10-05 16:53:48] rapidtrades : biitch my degree was my plan B
[2016-10-05 16:54:12] MrRGnome : Aww come on, don't feed into his delusions. I'm seriously worried for this kid
[2016-10-05 16:54:15] MrRGnome : This isn't healthy.
[2016-10-05 16:54:59] rapidtrades : noone likes u here Gnome
[2016-10-05 16:55:27] arbitrage001 : MrRGnome: this is troll box. takeit easy
[2016-10-05 16:55:43] wurstgelee : lolz. law degree...ofc.
[2016-10-05 16:55:57] arbitrage001 : i have a god degree also
[2016-10-05 16:55:58] wurstgelee : rapidtrades: if u get fined and receive a parket ticket, thats having contact with the law.
[2016-10-05 16:56:03] wurstgelee : not receiving a law degree
[2016-10-05 16:56:09] wurstgelee : *parking
[2016-10-05 16:56:11] MrRGnome : arbitrage001: no shit, it's trollbox, I'm pushing rapids buttons. You think if I legitimately cared about this kids clear mental health problems I'd be poking them?
[2016-10-05 16:56:13] arbitrage001 : next in line into godhood when jesus die
[2016-10-05 16:57:01] laisee : univ of phoenix faculty of law ... $75.
[2016-10-05 16:57:48] arbitrage001 : MrRGnome: rapid behavior and attitude is the norm for forum/troll box
[2016-10-05 16:58:28] habibi : nice, more defenders to come so rapid will keep acting like he used to
[2016-10-05 16:58:32] wurstgelee : guys, i have a math degree. i just happened to have forgotten about fractions. can someone explain?
[2016-10-05 16:58:54] wurstgelee : arbitrage001: nope, its the norm for trollbox idiots
[2016-10-05 16:58:55] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-10-05 16:59:01] sleger : wurstgelee: ask omicron he cant
[2016-10-05 16:59:13] MrRGnome : It's his norm, sure. there's always a small handful of them in a trollbox, what's wrong with shining a spotlight on the trolls and their inanity once every few weeks? Especially when they start to claim they are lawyers XD
[2016-10-05 16:59:20] wurstgelee : sleger: hm? did i miss something? is he the math expert here?
[2016-10-05 16:59:23] wurstgelee : :)
[2016-10-05 16:59:42] sleger : "expert" yes
[2016-10-05 16:59:48] wurstgelee : yeah, ofc, "expert"
[2016-10-05 16:59:54] wurstgelee : like "degree"
[2016-10-05 17:00:34] laisee : like "my hedge fund"
[2016-10-05 17:00:38] rapidtrades : this chat is making me feel so much better
[2016-10-05 17:00:45] arbitrage001 : think i have accumulate more than 1m hours watching porn over the last 20 years
[2016-10-05 17:00:51] arbitrage001 : so i am the expert in porn
[2016-10-05 17:00:56] rapidtrades : didn't realize ppl placed so much value on a law degree
[2016-10-05 17:01:03] arbitrage001 : wish i spent the time on trading
[2016-10-05 17:01:07] Tetsuo : i have a bachelor in industrial engineering and can barely change a light bulb
[2016-10-05 17:01:08] laisee : rapidtrades: they don't
[2016-10-05 17:01:09] rapidtrades : its like i said i was a millionaire lol
[2016-10-05 17:01:37] wurstgelee : rapidtrades: its not about the value of that degree....its about you not having it ;)
[2016-10-05 17:01:49] rapidtrades : lol
[2016-10-05 17:02:57] Tetsuo : jung1 has a shitcoin degree and still falls for scams and p&d
[2016-10-05 17:03:33] arbitrage001 : Tetsuo: did he keep holding the coin even after the pump?
[2016-10-05 17:03:34] laisee : Tetsuo: it's called "R&D"
[2016-10-05 17:04:08] MrRGnome : hey rapid, want some free money? I'll match you 10 btc into escrow with a REAL lawyer, who will verify your law credentials (including a degree from an accredited university in legal studies and registered to the bar in a state of your choosing) and employment history as a professional trader for the last decade. If you aren't lying I'll apologize publicly and the lawyer will give you the escrow. If you are lying I'll take the escrow. Deal?
[2016-10-05 17:04:29] habibi : adding 1 btc to that reward
[2016-10-05 17:04:59] arbitrage001 : habibi: shouldn't pour salt into somenone wound
[2016-10-05 17:05:08] rapidtrades : there is no wound
[2016-10-05 17:05:13] rapidtrades : MrRGnome: do it
[2016-10-05 17:05:13] wurstgelee : it's a self-inflicted wound
[2016-10-05 17:05:16] wurstgelee : those need salt
[2016-10-05 17:05:17] wurstgelee : a lot
[2016-10-05 17:05:18] MrRGnome : you agree?
[2016-10-05 17:05:23] laisee : take the deal ....
[2016-10-05 17:05:35] Tetsuo : can i do the escrow?
[2016-10-05 17:05:39] Tetsuo : i am trustworthy!
[2016-10-05 17:05:47] wurstgelee : Tetsuo: ill do it, i have a law degree
[2016-10-05 17:05:48] wurstgelee : oO
[2016-10-05 17:05:50] wurstgelee : :D
[2016-10-05 17:06:07] MrRGnome : We'll find a neutral lawyer that favors neither party in a state neither of us reside.
[2016-10-05 17:06:08] sleger : if you want to do the escrow in Lisk or Factum you will have to use jung1, he is the only one with an address for those anymore
[2016-10-05 17:06:17] Tetsuo : lol
[2016-10-05 17:06:20] wurstgelee : haha
[2016-10-05 17:06:25] laisee : sounds fine
[2016-10-05 17:06:46] habibi : we need augur prediction contract for that as well, many comes to bet on it
[2016-10-05 17:06:56] arbitrage001 : have to admire alt believer that still keep trading today
[2016-10-05 17:06:58] wurstgelee : damn, sill pissed i got ADL'ed out of my ZEC position :/
[2016-10-05 17:07:02] wurstgelee : *t
[2016-10-05 17:07:10] laisee : ETH contract with DAO rider ...
[2016-10-05 17:07:17] Tetsuo : can we at least agree that zcash will reach BTC parity within 4 weeks
[2016-10-05 17:07:22] wurstgelee : surfing REP waves was fun tho
[2016-10-05 17:07:42] Kalman : Tetsuo: 4 weeks of when?
[2016-10-05 17:07:45] arbitrage001 : Tetsuo: it might very well be for the next 3 weeks
[2016-10-05 17:07:50] wurstgelee : Tetsuo: i wont be surprised seeing it fomo-spiking way higher tbh
[2016-10-05 17:07:57] arbitrage001 : before zcash actually releases
[2016-10-05 17:07:58] wurstgelee : scarce af...
[2016-10-05 17:08:07] habibi : first 2-3 days after mining start can be very high in price as well
[2016-10-05 17:08:11] wurstgelee : yep
[2016-10-05 17:08:13] wurstgelee : that
[2016-10-05 17:08:31] laisee : buy on rumour, sell on mining start
[2016-10-05 17:08:35] Tetsuo : so u people are still buying it?
[2016-10-05 17:08:51] wurstgelee : a still have some orders...yep...
[2016-10-05 17:08:52] arbitrage001 : Tetsuo: wise people dont touch alt coin
[2016-10-05 17:08:57] Tetsuo : true that
[2016-10-05 17:08:58] Kalman : Tetsuo: selling you that option
[2016-10-05 17:09:04] laisee : sure, planning to see to GreatestFule
[2016-10-05 17:09:06] wurstgelee : also polo will list after mining start, not before
[2016-10-05 17:09:20] habibi : u think u won't find 50 people paying 1 btc ech after first day and at the same time all ~50 coins mined during first 24 hours dumped to the market?
[2016-10-05 17:09:22] wurstgelee : so thats when shit will happen
[2016-10-05 17:09:58] wurstgelee : also yeah, greater fool games....i love them tbh
[2016-10-05 17:10:43] rapidtrades : can we get back to me winning 11 btc?
[2016-10-05 17:10:49] MrRGnome : Yes, please
[2016-10-05 17:11:04] rapidtrades : MrRGnome: tnx
[2016-10-05 17:11:05] MrRGnome : So you agree to my terms?
[2016-10-05 17:11:36] wurstgelee : can i place a bet on rapidtrades will never send those 11 btc to escrow?
[2016-10-05 17:11:45] rapidtrades : yes u may
[2016-10-05 17:11:48] rapidtrades : how much
[2016-10-05 17:12:11] Kalman : wurstgelee: lol
[2016-10-05 17:12:15] Tetsuo : i´m bettin on rapid, 500 BFX
[2016-10-05 17:12:27] wurstgelee : i would say 11 btc tbh, but the i would have to place a bet on you not matching my bet as well
[2016-10-05 17:12:44] rapidtrades : wtf
[2016-10-05 17:12:47] MrRGnome : That he is is a lawyer and professional trader for the last decade? BTW what firm do you allegedly work for as a professional trader?
[2016-10-05 17:12:58] wurstgelee : basically i am creating rapidtrades derivatives here
[2016-10-05 17:13:03] rapidtrades : i never said that u twat @MrRGnome
[2016-10-05 17:13:13] habibi : rapidtrades: stfu, bet is closed
[2016-10-05 17:13:13] wurstgelee : anyone want in? this worked great for banks
[2016-10-05 17:13:18] wurstgelee : =)
[2016-10-05 17:13:20] Tetsuo : it was about law degree gnome
[2016-10-05 17:13:21] rapidtrades : i derive my income from trading, i trade for myself
[2016-10-05 17:13:25] laisee : send to 1Gr8Fule45k5dgfsgdfgd
[2016-10-05 17:13:25] MrRGnome : oh... so you are or are not a professional trader with employment for the last decade?
[2016-10-05 17:13:32] rapidtrades : my god ur an idiot
[2016-10-05 17:13:45] habibi : MrRGnome: i will try to work with Sam to transfer 1 btc from my account to urs
[2016-10-05 17:13:46] wurstgelee : MrRGnome: lol :D
[2016-10-05 17:13:50] MrRGnome : Obviously, please humor my idiocy I'm so dumb.
[2016-10-05 17:14:31] MrRGnome : habibi: Do not do that, we'll arrange it with our choosen lawyer if you want o contribute
[2016-10-05 17:14:41] MrRGnome : if rapid lets it get that far.
[2016-10-05 17:15:04] habibi : MrRGnome: of course i want, he already agreed to that and i guess it works both sides, if he won't deliver he will need to pay
[2016-10-05 17:15:04] Tetsuo : it seems like ur backing out gnome, it clearly was about law degree
[2016-10-05 17:15:07] rapidtrades : i have trading records that show a profit and a degree
[2016-10-05 17:15:17] rapidtrades : so where's my 11 btc
[2016-10-05 17:15:32] MrRGnome : I explicitly stated it was about the law degree and his professional experience, which is what I accuse him of lying about
[2016-10-05 17:15:35] habibi : rapidtrades: please calm down and read contract that u agreed to once again
[2016-10-05 17:15:36] habibi : hey rapid, want some free money? I'll match you 10 btc into escrow with a REAL lawyer, who will verify your law credentials (including a degree from an accredited university in legal studies and registered to the bar in a state of your choosing) and employment history as a professional trader for the last decade. If you aren't lying I'll apologize publicly and the lawyer will give you the escrow. If you are lying I'll take the escrow. Deal?
[2016-10-05 17:16:10] rapidtrades : MrRGnome: i never claimed to work for a firm...u just assumed that's what professional means
[2016-10-05 17:16:18] wurstgelee : yep. law degree AND professional trader for the last decade
[2016-10-05 17:16:19] rapidtrades : i do this for a living
[2016-10-05 17:16:24] MrRGnome : the word 'professional' implies employment
[2016-10-05 17:16:31] rapidtrades : ur an idiot
[2016-10-05 17:16:41] habibi : hey hey it doesnt matter even what u said before, u agreed with MrGnome bet
[2016-10-05 17:16:48] MrRGnome : So you are unemployed for the last decade, trading to get by, with a law degree?
[2016-10-05 17:17:20] MrRGnome : Help me understand. Me so dumb.
[2016-10-05 17:17:42] rapidtrades : oh look
[2016-10-05 17:17:46] laisee : it's a deal, it's a steal. take it .rapid ...
[2016-10-05 17:17:53] rapidtrades : the sound of a pussy walking out