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[2016-10-04 01:02:09] BitMEX_Jinming : sleger: yes, that's based on the last rebalance price (which won't happen again)
[2016-10-04 01:02:39] sleger : but the last rebalance price and mark price is the same for everyone
[2016-10-04 01:03:06] sleger : so the only way what you are saying would be possible is if there were only 2 traders short, is that what you are saying ?
[2016-10-04 01:03:25] BitMEX_Jinming : sleger: so if people hold short position from last rebalance time, they will have unrealised loss because price is up
[2016-10-04 01:04:00] sleger : ok so there were only one guy long ?
[2016-10-04 01:04:22] rapidtrades : really hate it how profit seems to trump leverage
[2016-10-04 01:04:38] rapidtrades : the point of the system should be to bring stability
[2016-10-04 01:04:46] BitMEX_Jinming : sleger: the ranking is for longs and shorts separately. For all shorts, very few have unrealised profit.
[2016-10-04 01:04:51] sleger : ETHXBT -63 63.00 ETH 0.02200 0.02205 2.27853 0.0565 XBT (Cross) -0.0032 XBT (-5.68%)
[2016-10-04 01:04:59] sleger : and all red
[2016-10-04 01:05:07] sleger : oh ok I understand @BitMEX_Jinming
[2016-10-04 01:05:18] rapidtrades : it should go after the highest leveraged traders not profit
[2016-10-04 01:05:34] sleger : I was short AND in profit although the price went up, which almost noone else would have been, got it
[2016-10-04 01:05:45] BitMEX_Jinming : sleger: yes correct
[2016-10-04 01:06:33] sleger : thank you for the explanation @BitMEX_Jinming
[2016-10-04 01:06:34] rapidtrades : ridiculous
[2016-10-04 01:08:00] rapidtrades : whether i have paper profit or loss is not bitmex business
[2016-10-04 01:08:07] rapidtrades : we're subsidizing idiots again
[2016-10-04 01:08:59] sleger : i'm sure habibi and jung1 are thankful
[2016-10-04 01:10:02] mjones : okcoin futures if some idiot bets big the wrong direction you get profit taken away from you during settlement if insurance fund doesnt cover it
[2016-10-04 01:10:14] mjones : that's how the game is played with high leverage
[2016-10-04 01:10:59] sleger : they dont use ADL so what you're saying doesnt apply
[2016-10-04 01:11:38] sleger : bitvc does use ADL and they deleverage based on position size only so you're wrong @mjones when you say "that's how the game is played with high leverage"
[2016-10-04 01:12:27] mjones : someone has to cover the loss.
[2016-10-04 01:12:52] kogroken : BITMEX: If ADL triggers, will it also close any stoploss orders I have open, or will say a crash when I'm long first cause ADL to close some of my trades, and my stoploss orders then open a short for me (which was not my intention when placing them)?
[2016-10-04 01:14:33] rapidtrades : ADL should be posiion size only
[2016-10-04 01:14:59] BitMEX_Jinming : kogroken: it also closes the open orders
[2016-10-04 01:15:08] rapidtrades : plus with current system i have to constantly babysit my trades cos even if I use low leverage I can get axed like sleger
[2016-10-04 01:15:15] sleger : mjones: "someone has to cover the loss." what loss ?
[2016-10-04 01:15:39] kogroken : BitMEX_Jinming: So ADL closes my whole position, and all my open orders?
[2016-10-04 01:15:51] sleger : FYI, i did not get ADL'ed, was just surprised to see it red with almost 0 pos and 0 profit
[2016-10-04 01:15:57] rapidtrades : so 'profit' or 'loss' is calculated based on last rebalance? 12:00 ?
[2016-10-04 01:16:11] rapidtrades : sleger: ah
[2016-10-04 01:16:35] BitMEX_Jinming : kogroken: yes
[2016-10-04 01:16:45] rapidtrades : cos i thought there was no more rebalancing
[2016-10-04 01:17:10] kogroken : BitMEX_Jinming: Ok, fair enough.
[2016-10-04 01:17:38] BitMEX_Jinming : kogroken: and it's possible that only part of your position was closed. It's based on the size of the unfilled liquidations.
[2016-10-04 01:18:19] BitMEX_Jinming : rapidtrades: it's based on the last rebalance price, or and trades you have done after last rebalance.
[2016-10-04 01:18:25] kogroken : BitMEX_Jinming: But if only part of my position is closed, but all my stoploss orders are closed, then I'm in trouble because the stoplosses I relied on are taken away?!
[2016-10-04 01:19:28] rapidtrades : BitMEX_Jinming: they said there was no more rebalance
[2016-10-04 01:19:39] BitMEX_Jinming : kogroken: yes
[2016-10-04 01:20:06] kogroken : Ugh. So I'd have to write a bot to monitor my positions to be able to trade here safely?
[2016-10-04 01:20:09] BitMEX_Jinming : rapidtrades: correct, yesterdays' is the last one, no more. So going forward, the unrelaisedPnl will be based on the actual trades.
[2016-10-04 01:20:21] sleger : BitMEX_Jinming: emails when you get ADL'ed ?
[2016-10-04 01:20:45] rapidtrades : BitMEX_Jinming: ok tnx
[2016-10-04 01:21:27] BitMEX_Jinming : kogroken: yes a bot is better, we have email notifications for this deleverage event.
[2016-10-04 01:22:05] kogroken : hmm. I have to reduce my trading here until I get around to that then. Unfortunate.
[2016-10-04 01:23:10] kogroken : Will there be some update email with all these changes explaied?
[2016-10-04 01:23:15] kogroken : +n
[2016-10-04 01:23:51] BitMEX_Jinming : kogroken: we will think about special order type to handle this, so please let us know your feedback.
[2016-10-04 01:24:55] kogroken : BitMEX_Jinming: An order type that only closes a position instead of opening an opposite would be very nice (close on trigger doesn't work as it also closes all other orders)
[2016-10-04 01:24:55] BitMEX_Jinming : kogroken: There was an announcement email about auto-deleverage, and also you can check the document: https://www.bitmex.com/app/autoDeleveraging
[2016-10-04 01:25:49] kogroken : BitMEX_Jinming: Ok. It doesn't show up on the megaphone icon in the UI, I mostly rely on that to follow updates.
[2016-10-04 01:25:52] BitMEX_Jinming : kogroken: we already have it, just tick `Close on Trigger`, it makes sure only reducing your exposure.
[2016-10-04 01:26:35] BitMEX_Jinming : kogroken: Ok got it
[2016-10-04 01:27:01] kogroken : Close on trigger also closes all other orders, which makes it impossible to have several smaller stop orders, or stoporders that trigger without removing other orders
[2016-10-04 01:27:51] kogroken : The way the OK_Coin order types work for example is nice.
[2016-10-04 01:45:56] BitMEX_Wally : kogroken: We have what you want in the API, send `execInst: ReduceOnly`
[2016-10-04 01:46:32] BitMEX_Wally : It is the same as `execInst: Close` but it does not cancel orders
[2016-10-04 01:54:08] kogroken : BitMEX_Wally: Ok, thanks. Would be nice to see it in the UI at some point also.
[2016-10-04 02:28:31] omicron : how can i read the little thermometer next to mark price
[2016-10-04 02:29:10] omicron : it shows me 3 green and 1 red
[2016-10-04 02:29:17] omicron : i have no positions ope
[2016-10-04 02:43:11] BitMEX_Wally : omicron: If you have a position then they light up. Maybe we need to make it more grayscale otherwise
[2016-10-04 03:50:06] omicron : BitMEX_Wally: that indicator is cool shit bro. yes make it grey until it lights up
[2016-10-04 04:31:34] laisee : can you make it light up according to how funky is the song playing on itunes?
[2016-10-04 04:50:59] lockhedge : BitMEX_Wally: i currently see 4 lights with only 0.79x leverage, how is that possible?
[2016-10-04 04:51:36] BitMEX_Wally : You might be one of the few with unrealised profit
[2016-10-04 05:21:42] lockhedge : BitMEX_Wally: ok, didn't think about the last rebalance. so all longs that were already open before 12 UTC have an entry price of 611.06
[2016-10-04 05:23:40] lockhedge : BitMEX_Wally: does one quintile always represent 20% of Open Value?
[2016-10-04 05:25:25] BitMEX_Wally : Yes
[2016-10-04 05:36:03] lockhedge : BitMEX_Wally: so it would be possible that i'm in the highest quantile even with a negative PNL? wouldn't in this situation help to increase leverage to shift my position to a lower quantile?
[2016-10-04 05:40:05] omicron : lockhedge: that sounds absurd
[2016-10-04 05:40:22] omicron : how can you be in any quintile if you have -ve P&L?
[2016-10-04 05:40:32] omicron : you should not have anything lit at all
[2016-10-04 05:53:13] BitMEX_Wally : If 20% of longs have positive unrealised profit and 80% have unrealised loss
[2016-10-04 05:53:50] BitMEX_Wally : Then those with the negative unrealised PNLs will have the first 4 lights
[2016-10-04 06:27:22] lockhedge : BitMEX_Wally: the new ADL system is great, but i fear that this indictor might reveal too much information about the positions of other traders (will do some tests, hopefully i'm wrong)
[2016-10-04 06:29:06] BitMEX_Wally : lockhedge: Yes we thought about that, but as you do not know the effective leverage of other traders, all you can do is work out the median average entry price of all open positions
[2016-10-04 08:03:28] rapidtrades : is it just me or has this site gotten super laggy since update
[2016-10-04 08:07:43] BitMEX_Arthur : rapidtrades: What specifically are you experiencing?
[2016-10-04 09:04:52] justinlooking : XMR all muh lights, only got a tiny position on
[2016-10-04 09:18:15] Boontjie : The volume on BitMex has dropped quite a bit since the ADL change, wonder if its temporary
[2016-10-04 09:39:44] BitMEX_Wally : It's Golden Week in China at the moment so volumes are down everywhere
[2016-10-04 09:54:12] Airmike : and I do trade a lot :)
[2016-10-04 09:54:33] Airmike : @boontijie low volume has nothing to do with ADL. My volume has dropped by 50% across all cryptocurrency exchanges
[2016-10-04 09:59:07] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 6664 @ 606.36
[2016-10-04 10:10:48] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 1437 @ 605.65
[2016-10-04 10:32:48] sebaas : Hey wally, sorry if this questions keeps popping up, but will you guys offer REP/Augur?
[2016-10-04 10:32:54] sebaas : -s
[2016-10-04 10:35:24] BitMEX_Arthur : We are in the process of adding it to our Testnet
[2016-10-04 10:35:27] RocketScience : How could the mark price fall under 605.65?
[2016-10-04 10:39:46] RocketScience : bitstamp minimum 605 and 0kcoin 609 = 607
[2016-10-04 10:50:25] lockhedge : RocketScience: are you watching OKC CNY (in USD) or OKC USD? https://tradeblock.com/markets/okcn/xbt-usd/1m/
[2016-10-04 10:51:43] RocketScience : I watch on bitcoin wisdom...it looks like the dollar value next to cny is just cny price in dollars.
[2016-10-04 10:52:58] keroub : For swaps, maintenance margin = initial margin?
[2016-10-04 10:53:16] Boontjie : lockhedge: even so, rekt happened on 12.10. The low was 606
[2016-10-04 10:53:46] Boontjie : bitstamp was not lower than 606
[2016-10-04 10:54:03] Boontjie : in that timeframe I think
[2016-10-04 10:54:57] Boontjie : I think the engine is accurate though. Havent ever seen problems, so it probably happened
[2016-10-04 10:55:49] BitMEX_Arthur : keroub: no
[2016-10-04 10:55:59] keroub : just seen the doc
[2016-10-04 10:56:03] keroub : risk limit section
[2016-10-04 10:56:04] keroub : thanks.
[2016-10-04 10:56:54] lockhedge : low price at 10:10 UTC was 605.07 on bitstamp and 606.12 on okc
[2016-10-04 11:01:47] Boontjie : so it hit 605.59
[2016-10-04 11:02:21] RocketScience : So i lost money, because of 8 cents difference :(
[2016-10-04 11:03:30] Boontjie : RocketScience: next time make your stop 605.5 :D
[2016-10-04 11:55:38] SillyNewbie : please, advice wmz to bitcoins exchanger...
[2016-10-04 11:59:39] zanza : they dont use last price
[2016-10-04 12:00:09] zanza : they use mark price
[2016-10-04 12:59:30] lockhedge : BitMEX_Arthur: do you publish ADL events somewhere via API?
[2016-10-04 13:01:34] BitMEX_Arthur : lockhedge: We publish liquidations the same as always, we do not publish any events when an ADL occurs
[2016-10-04 13:11:31] lockhedge : BitMEX_Arthur: you used to publish "Bankruptcy Total" in the settlement history for DPE events, would be great to have the same level of transparency for ADL as well.
[2016-10-04 16:14:22] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 720 @ 0.02181
[2016-10-04 16:20:22] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 11 @ 0.02180
[2016-10-04 19:34:35] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 37 @ 0.02167
[2016-10-04 19:43:43] AudibleScience : was there no rebal earlier today?
[2016-10-04 19:45:27] AudibleScience : also how come all my ADL lights are on?
[2016-10-04 19:46:48] AudibleScience : The notional is less than my balance on XBTUSD?
[2016-10-04 19:48:10] BitMEX_Sam : AudibleScience: Rebalance is no longer a part of BitMEX, it is not required with ADL.
[2016-10-04 19:48:40] Tetsuo : Well, on 3 of 4 positions, all my lights are on as well. On the other one i have only 4 lights. On all of them i don´t use much leverage.
[2016-10-04 19:48:44] BitMEX_Sam : As for your lights, it will calm down over time, but because the last rebalance was yesterday, there may be very few users in profit at the moment - so if you are, you may be at the top of the list.
[2016-10-04 19:49:16] BitMEX_Sam : Your priority is based on which side you're on (long/short) and whether or not you're profitable, then your leverage.
[2016-10-04 19:50:00] Tetsuo : ok
[2016-10-04 19:51:10] AudibleScience : BitMEX_Sam: I see thanks.
[2016-10-04 19:53:04] omicron : so if my ROE shows -3% because the mark price is lower than my entry price, there is no way i'll be ADL'd
[2016-10-04 19:53:58] AudibleScience : I'm glad about the rebalance no longer being part of the perpetual swap... makes it more "perpetual" that way I think.
[2016-10-04 19:55:17] omicron : rebalance was like a settlement, right
[2016-10-04 19:55:21] omicron : so what happens now?
[2016-10-04 19:56:24] BitMEX_Sam : Very unlikely omicron
[2016-10-04 19:56:42] BitMEX_Sam : Now, we settle realised pnl into your wallet at intervals, but this is only to make the wallet history easier to read.
[2016-10-04 19:56:49] BitMEX_Sam : If you exit a position, your pnl is realised immediately.
[2016-10-04 19:57:31] AudibleScience : omicron: not exactly, because you actually had a new position the same size reopened for you at the same time...
[2016-10-04 19:57:52] AudibleScience : BitMEX_Sam: that is really cool man! I thought I noticed that yesterday...
[2016-10-04 20:00:05] AudibleScience : omicron: settlement is something you get on a future type of instrument that expires at a specific time.
[2016-10-04 20:01:32] omicron : ok, so to understand the changes, bitmex used to update everyone's account every 12 hrs or so and now it only occurs on a P&L event?
[2016-10-04 20:02:06] BitMEX_Greg : omicron: The rebalance basically moved unrealised pnl into realised pnl. So now there is no unrealised pnl
[2016-10-04 20:02:45] omicron : how can there be no unrealized p&L? if i long at 600 and mark is at 601, dont i have an unrealized p&l?
[2016-10-04 20:03:46] jordanbitfort : mods! can we get an REP contract pls?
[2016-10-04 20:05:52] BitMEX_Sam : jordanbitfort: We're testing it on Testnet right now, we'll be ready to launch soon.
[2016-10-04 20:06:12] BitMEX_Sam : omicron: You're correct, the terms are just getting mixed up. Now realised/unrealised PNL behaves as it does on other platforms.
[2016-10-04 20:06:28] BitMEX_Greg : Yes, apologies @omicron . As Sam said above
[2016-10-04 20:11:48] AudibleScience : Wow! So DPE is actually a thing from the past now then. Is that right?
[2016-10-04 20:12:04] BitMEX_Greg : AudibleScience: Yes DPE is totally gone, ADL from now on
[2016-10-04 20:14:10] AudibleScience : So if I'm in profit, and someone else is getting liquidated, some of my position could be closed automatically to fill their liquidation, which would effectively be an automatic take profit on my side?
[2016-10-04 20:14:59] BitMEX_Greg : Yes your position could be closed, the formula ranks you by Leverage and Profit priority.
[2016-10-04 20:15:22] BitMEX_Greg : The little green to red indication bars in the Contract Details show your current standing
[2016-10-04 20:15:39] BitMEX_Greg : So if its showing all bars lit including the Red one then you are more likely to be autodeleveraged
[2016-10-04 20:15:59] jordanbitfort : there should be an option to auto reopen your position if you get force ADLed
[2016-10-04 20:16:22] BitMEX_Greg : Yes we are looking into that down the track. Unfortunately as for now you need to watch your email and manually reenter
[2016-10-04 20:20:16] jordanbitfort : im bad at taking profits anyway so it will probably end up helping me
[2016-10-04 20:20:36] AudibleScience : So the insurance fund is technically no longer needed is that right?
[2016-10-04 20:20:39] BitMEX_Greg : haha would be interested in seeing if it helped
[2016-10-04 20:20:46] BitMEX_Greg : We still have the insurance fund
[2016-10-04 20:20:56] BitMEX_Greg : As we aim to limit autodeleveraging
[2016-10-04 20:21:12] BitMEX_Greg : So the insurance fund helps to aggress liquidation orders
[2016-10-04 20:21:22] BitMEX_Greg : Similar to how we had it for the DPE system
[2016-10-04 20:23:15] BitMEX_Sam : Right - the main draw for keeping insurance is twofold: 1. It *should* be expensive to lose your position, because you may cause an ADL event - we shouldn't incentivize this by recovering profits, and 2. Funds recovered by the above can help keep ADL away for the rest of our users.
[2016-10-04 20:24:22] AudibleScience : I see. It would have been a nice touch if you had dynamically reallocated the insurance fund to those who had filled it up. lol
[2016-10-04 21:25:23] omicron : dont give them even more ideas @AudibleScience. platform is complicated enough as it is
[2016-10-04 21:25:43] omicron : i can trade now, but if they add 3 more features i wont know what im doing
[2016-10-04 21:35:16] smagin07 : Litecoin to the moon!
[2016-10-04 21:59:55] Mm bot : There is a bug on the API
[2016-10-04 22:02:12] Mm bot : conplain about account balance and required amount. MMbot running for months now it shows error that 8000000XBT required. We don't have that much Bitcoin in existence. #greed
[2016-10-04 22:10:49] BitMEX_Sam : You might be confusing `XBT` with `XBt`. `XBt` is Satoshis, 1/10e8 Bitcoin.
[2016-10-04 23:04:56] mjones : @smagin07 ltc volume so low. Wonder if it'll break up randomly or wait to follow btc next move
[2016-10-05 00:01:42] sleger : OMG the UI is sooooooooooo coool
[2016-10-05 00:11:29] Rado : which UI sleger
[2016-10-05 00:11:36] sleger : refresh ?
[2016-10-05 00:26:26] Rado : The tabs?
[2016-10-05 00:27:02] omicron : obviously the only new thing on the UI is the orderbook
[2016-10-05 00:29:00] MrRGnome : Can someone explain why my entirely unleveraged position of +100 XMR is indicated as red in the develeraging queue? I'm not even leveraged.
[2016-10-05 00:30:19] Rado : MrRGnome: what do you mean you are not leveraged?
[2016-10-05 00:30:54] MrRGnome : I mean my liquidation price is -.--, I am below 1:1 leverage.
[2016-10-05 00:31:09] MrRGnome : way way way below
[2016-10-05 00:31:25] Codychaosx@gmail.com : This whole place is da shit.
[2016-10-05 00:31:38] sleger : MrRGnome: cause not many people are >0 pnl alledgedly
[2016-10-05 00:31:54] sleger : *allegedly
[2016-10-05 00:32:18] habibi : Codychaosx@gmail.com nice nick:)
[2016-10-05 00:32:19] sleger : and it's a communist bitcoin exchange, so they take from the winners to give to the losers
[2016-10-05 00:32:30] MrRGnome : So because there is large risk on the other side of the contract, my position is at risk to fill the losers?
[2016-10-05 00:33:00] sleger : depends what you mean by "large risk"
[2016-10-05 00:33:13] sleger : the open position is the same size for shorts and longs
[2016-10-05 00:33:58] MrRGnome : Right, and I guess my understanding now is that if say, shorts get crushed and have to liquidate, my profitable long may also be liquidated to fill the shorts liquidation orders
[2016-10-05 00:34:04] MrRGnome : Is that right?
[2016-10-05 00:34:08] sleger : yes
[2016-10-05 00:35:02] MrRGnome : That's fucked. I can't unexpectedly be picked out of a minorly profitable position
[2016-10-05 00:35:06] MrRGnome : this is going to fuck with my trading hard
[2016-10-05 00:36:02] omicron : MrRGnome: when you say "hard" im guessing you dont mean your ...
[2016-10-05 00:36:07] sleger : yes'
[2016-10-05 00:36:29] sleger : stupid comment @omicron
[2016-10-05 00:36:48] omicron : anyway ADL is only an issue if there is a big move, right? and only for the highest lev traders?
[2016-10-05 00:37:07] MrRGnome : Apparently leverage has nothing to do with it, you can eb boned regardless of your leverage
[2016-10-05 00:37:10] omicron : its not gonna do anything in this chop. am i right?
[2016-10-05 00:37:15] MrRGnome : You'll just be boned in profit
[2016-10-05 00:37:42] omicron : can someone from bitmex clarify MrRGnome's point. Is leverage nothing to do with ADL?
[2016-10-05 00:38:26] MrRGnome : My understanding is that leverage is what causes liquidation, liquidation causes people who aren't lveraged and currently in profit to also be liquidated to fill the losers orders
[2016-10-05 00:40:30] MrRGnome : thus making bitmex, to my knowledge, the only exchange where you can be liquidated from a profitable position.
[2016-10-05 00:41:14] Rado : MrRGnome: I don't think you will be liquidated
[2016-10-05 00:42:18] BitMEX_Arthur : Hi guys. Our new ADL system is similar to Huobi and BTCC
[2016-10-05 00:42:43] BitMEX_Arthur : and they got this idea from some traditional futures exchanges in China who employ a similar system
[2016-10-05 00:43:00] MrRGnome : BitMEX_Arthur: Simple question, can I be liquidated from a profitable position.
[2016-10-05 00:43:24] BitMEX_Arthur : you are liquidated your profitable position is closed early
[2016-10-05 00:43:29] BitMEX_Arthur : are not
[2016-10-05 00:43:52] MrRGnome : I'm sorry, you're saying your profitable positions ARE NOT closed early? I.E. sieger is wrong?
[2016-10-05 00:44:53] sleger : sleger is never wrong
[2016-10-05 00:45:08] MrRGnome : Because if you are force closing a position, I call that a liquidation. Call it what we wan,t it's force closing aposition and messing with my trading strategy in a way I can not hedge or manage risk
[2016-10-05 00:45:55] BitMEX_Arthur : I am saying you are not liquidated. When a liquidation happens you lose your maintenance margin. When you are closed out early, you most likely will be closed out in profit and you do not lose your maintenance margin.
[2016-10-05 00:46:15] MrRGnome : 'most likely' in profit when you force my liquidation? How is that aceptable?
[2016-10-05 00:46:30] omicron : its as if you closed out early, thats all
[2016-10-05 00:46:53] omicron : i.e. if price moves against you, you lose everything, if price moves with you, you lose profits
[2016-10-05 00:47:14] omicron : so basically, you can lose big or make small profit.
[2016-10-05 00:47:36] MrRGnome : That's not acceptable in any way
[2016-10-05 00:47:55] MrRGnome : If you can only lose big, but not win big, then you will a sa function fo time always lose
[2016-10-05 00:48:10] MrRGnome : They have screwed up my ability to manage my risk versus potential gains
[2016-10-05 00:48:15] omicron : not always tho, they rank who is gonna be ADL'd
[2016-10-05 00:48:17] MrRGnome : because now my potential gains are not in my control
[2016-10-05 00:48:30] omicron : so if you find yourself in the list, just exit or increase leverage
[2016-10-05 00:48:42] sleger : increase leverage ? dummy
[2016-10-05 00:48:43] MrRGnome : Well they have me ranked high to ADL with a freaking 100 XMR buy in 0.2 xbt of profit
[2016-10-05 00:48:49] MrRGnome : So clearly that argument is a wash
[2016-10-05 00:48:51] sleger : that would only make things worse
[2016-10-05 00:49:03] MrRGnome : *0.02 xbt profit
[2016-10-05 00:49:24] omicron : has anyone ever been ADL on this exchange? otherwise, this is all theoretical arguments
[2016-10-05 00:52:09] omicron : the order book has entries 50 points on each side of the spread. is ADL ever gonna even trigger?
[2016-10-05 00:52:29] omicron : im not saying it wont. i dont know so im asking
[2016-10-05 00:52:32] habibi : MrRGnome: ur potential gains could be f()cked up by dpe before
[2016-10-05 00:52:45] TraderStefan : habibi +1
[2016-10-05 00:52:56] omicron : DPE is a guaranteed f()
[2016-10-05 00:53:01] omicron : ADL is lottery
[2016-10-05 00:53:09] sleger : is 0 micron the size of his brain ?
[2016-10-05 00:53:33] omicron : im not very smart. im a new trader
[2016-10-05 00:53:35] MrRGnome : And many times they have been. Doesn't change the fact that I need to be able to close my own profitable positions when I want in order to quanitify riska nd reward
[2016-10-05 00:54:13] sleger : i dont know why they didnt just copy what other exchanges are doing
[2016-10-05 00:54:46] sleger : "BitMEX_Arthur: Hi guys. Our new ADL system is similar to Huobi and BTCC" similar yes, better no
[2016-10-05 00:54:47] MrRGnome : Is there anyway for me to see the full ADL queue? There's the only way i can see this working for me
[2016-10-05 00:55:39] BitMEX_Arthur : MrRGnome: No we give you a rough indication but if we give you too much information you can work out liquidation prices of other traders
[2016-10-05 00:56:17] MrRGnome : Without more detailed and quantifiable information about my risk of being forcibly removed from my position how can I understand my risk?
[2016-10-05 00:56:39] sleger : BitMEX_Arthur: why on earth gave you the idea to use unrealised profit in the ranking system ?
[2016-10-05 00:56:39] omicron : BitMEX_Arthur: am i wrong in saying that ADL is unlikely? I feel like Im defending you guys without help
[2016-10-05 00:57:16] omicron : its unrealized profit? i thought it was leverage
[2016-10-05 00:58:12] sleger : omicron: read the docs
[2016-10-05 00:58:33] sleger : it's some weird made up mix of both
[2016-10-05 00:58:41] sleger : but the UI here is sooooooooo nice !
[2016-10-05 00:59:14] Rado : lol sleger
[2016-10-05 00:59:17] omicron : sleger: ah! i get it you are being sarcastic with the sooooooo .... sorry, i didnt get it before
[2016-10-05 00:59:38] sleger : lots of other things like that it seems
[2016-10-05 00:59:41] MrRGnome : I imagine it's because unrealized profit is based on the mark price which is the liquidation price for a losing trader and the 'forced sell' price for the profitable trader. The unrealized profit total for all 'force closed'/liquidated orders must be equal to 0, I imagine.
[2016-10-05 01:00:06] sleger : that's not why I think (know) it is a bad idea to use unrealised profit
[2016-10-05 01:00:19] omicron : Ranking = PNL Percentage * Effective Leverage (if PNL percentage > 0)
[2016-10-05 01:00:48] sleger : and no, I actually like the UI here it is great , too bad the by sell buttons are not in the right place
[2016-10-05 01:00:59] omicron : so if i enter at 600 and the price is 606, thats 1%, if my leverage is 100% then im ranked at 100
[2016-10-05 01:02:06] omicron : i suppose they measure percent like 0.01 x 100 = 1
[2016-10-05 01:02:31] sleger : the light is on but there's noone there
[2016-10-05 01:03:05] sleger : hey @habibi, you can have a new chat buddy
[2016-10-05 01:03:20] omicron : so if you have 0.005 x 50 = 0.25?
[2016-10-05 01:04:19] sleger : dude i dont know that requires a Phd in maths ....
[2016-10-05 01:05:07] omicron : i'm just wondering why they call it rank if its not a whole number
[2016-10-05 01:05:22] habibi : sleger: i will leave him to u, looks like u got on perfectly well
[2016-10-05 01:05:57] sleger : reminds me of our first convos
[2016-10-05 01:06:00] MrRGnome : rank is relative though to other traders as well as other traders leverage. I believe. I.E. if traders shorting are very highly leveraged compared to traders who are long and there is no market volume to fill liquidations, it doesn't matter what your adl rank is numerically, you'll be indicated as 'red' in the UI because even at the middle or bottom of the queue, profitable positions need to be liquidated to cover bid gamblers losses. That's what's happening to me RIGHT NOW. I have a negligible position in monero and I'm sure my numerical ADL rank is also insignificant yet I am still indicated as at the top of the queue presumably because monero shorters are highly leveraged.
[2016-10-05 01:06:49] omicron : so the right answer is to reduce leverage offered
[2016-10-05 01:08:16] sleger : didnt you suggest to increase leverage a few minutes ago ? @omicron
[2016-10-05 01:08:35] sleger : MrRGnome: I think the answer is quite different than that
[2016-10-05 01:08:56] sleger : you are long AND are in profit, although the price went down, so there is almost noone else like you
[2016-10-05 01:09:28] sleger : if shorts were to be liquidated (VERY unlikely) then yes you'd be ADL'ed, but thats unlikely to happen because of those circumstances
[2016-10-05 01:10:17] sleger : I'm sure Arthur will figure it out at some point
[2016-10-05 01:13:00] MrRGnome : The way these altcoins move, I don't think it's nearly as unlikely as you do. I can for sure see the possibility for any alt to jump several percent up or down, which for highly leveraged traders could easily cause liquidations, even more so when bitmex's liquidity is so shallow compared to the markets it tracks.
[2016-10-05 01:13:35] sleger : i dont think you got it
[2016-10-05 01:13:49] sleger : "you are long AND are in profit, although the price went down" -> that's rare
[2016-10-05 01:14:07] MrRGnome : I get that
[2016-10-05 01:14:22] sleger : so you are first in line should any long get liquidated
[2016-10-05 01:14:30] sleger : because who else is short and in the black ? noone
[2016-10-05 01:14:40] MrRGnome : What you and I seem to disagree on is that it's entirely possible for the market to jump, with very few bitmex orders joining my in profit (or loss)
[2016-10-05 01:14:41] habibi : MrRGnome: when was last time u had bankruptcy in shitcoins here?
[2016-10-05 01:14:44] sleger : (i'm not saying I agree with the logic of the system )
[2016-10-05 01:15:02] MrRGnome : I've never hit bankruptcy in shit coins here. Shit coins make me money because I'm usually short
[2016-10-05 01:15:48] sleger : so what are you doing long XMR ? :p
[2016-10-05 01:15:57] MrRGnome : catching a small bounce before shorting again
[2016-10-05 01:16:59] sleger : I had the same thing the other day, tiny ETH position (<100) and tiny unrealised (<0.1xbt) and overall leverage <1 and yet all 5 lights were lit
[2016-10-05 01:17:13] MrRGnome : I remember seeing you had that issue
[2016-10-05 01:17:30] sleger : turns out it was shortly after last rebalance, i was short and price was up a lot and in profit, almost noone else must have been >0 then
[2016-10-05 01:17:35] sleger : hence the 5 lights lit
[2016-10-05 01:17:51] sleger : but nobody would be liquidated in such a case (very unlikely)
[2016-10-05 01:18:15] sleger : but still I agree the formula is dumb, has 0 meaning behind it, is not what other major exchanges do, and is just plain stupid
[2016-10-05 01:18:29] sleger : ADLing a trader with <1 leverage, tiny position is just nonsense
[2016-10-05 01:19:01] MrRGnome : The fact that it's even possible is very annoying, how do I model this when it's so opaque?
[2016-10-05 01:20:07] sleger : you wait for the email that you got ADL'ed (or monitor your position via API) and you retake it
[2016-10-05 01:20:11] MrRGnome : How can I hedge? Sure maybe one of my positions is in great profit, but it's covering a huge loss. I can't have it closed unexpectedly
[2016-10-05 01:20:28] MrRGnome : Yeah, you'd fucking have to. Just obnoxious
[2016-10-05 01:21:24] sleger : well, that's how the system works
[2016-10-05 01:21:39] sleger : if you want 50x leverage perpetual swap you dont have much choice
[2016-10-05 01:21:47] MrRGnome : true enough
[2016-10-05 01:21:54] sleger : or btc vs japanese yen futures....
[2016-10-05 01:22:13] MrRGnome : I could care less about the leverage honestly, I just like the security measures and that everything is in btc on th eplatform
[2016-10-05 01:23:10] MrRGnome : the leverage is a nice little bonus
[2016-10-05 01:24:07] sleger : I like having eth futures (or swap...) and earning the funding rate on btc swap
[2016-10-05 01:24:11] omicron : MrRGnome: what security? they claimed 24 hr session was a great security feature and then changed it to 30days without telling how security was not impacted
[2016-10-05 01:24:51] sleger : i'm getting paid to provide funding to gamblers on 50x, that's something...
[2016-10-05 01:26:55] sleger : oh, and the UI is soooooooo nice !!
[2016-10-05 01:38:51] REKT : Liquidated short on `FCTXBT`: Buy 140 @ 0.004343
[2016-10-05 01:43:45] zanza : I was thinking of doing that sleger
[2016-10-05 01:43:53] zanza : short XBT just for the funding
[2016-10-05 01:44:04] zanza : someone said its average like 50% annual
[2016-10-05 01:45:01] d00ber : wow ZEC at .13
[2016-10-05 01:48:21] REKT : Liquidated short on `FCTXBT`: Buy 1000 @ 0.004584
[2016-10-05 03:32:33] j8 : definitely something funny with the ADL lights, I have all 5 on but Unrealised PNL is negative
[2016-10-05 03:35:33] jeeburns : what is with this whole Mark Price? the buy order is at 608.22 yet my unrealised is red even though i'm in under 608
[2016-10-05 03:43:44] BitMEX_Arthur : jeeburns: https://www.bitmex.com/app/fairPriceMarking
[2016-10-05 03:49:33] rapidtrades : BitMEX_Arthur: hey can u add a number 1-5 next to the indicator
[2016-10-05 03:49:45] jeeburns : speak english doc lol, ok good enough i'll figure it out thanks
[2016-10-05 03:49:52] rapidtrades : or make it so that the lights are on/off and not fade in/out
[2016-10-05 04:45:31] BitMEX_Jinming : j8: ADL ranking is for longs and shorts separately. For that contract, almost all shorts have unrealised loss since price is up, so you see high ranking. However shorts won't worry about ADL if price keeps going up.
[2016-10-05 04:47:37] j8 : is it possible to be deleveraged at a loss?
[2016-10-05 04:48:24] BitMEX_Jinming : j8: yes, but less likely.
[2016-10-05 05:02:14] j8 : ok. anyway i agree with sleger that it's a confusing formula and pnl probably shouldn't matter.. it makes it harder to hold a long term position, you would need to take profit and reopen to reduce your risk (or trade to yourself in another account)
[2016-10-05 05:11:28] BitMEX_Jinming : j8: when we designed the ranking method, we looked at other exchanges and found most of them are using Pnl, either closing one by one or all proportionally. So we use similar way to make sure profitable positions are always deleveraged before losing ones.
[2016-10-05 05:12:54] BitMEX_Jinming : j8: and since we offer high leverage, we decided to consider leverage too in the ranking. So for profitable positions the ranking is essentially the effective ROI.
[2016-10-05 05:15:08] BitMEX_Jinming : We are also looking at adding an option to automatically re-enter position after being deleveraged.
[2016-10-05 05:16:17] j8 : so you just have to trade with yourself to go to the back of the queue. whoever doesn't play that game is at the front
[2016-10-05 05:24:01] BitMEX_Jinming : if you close current position and open a new position, then the new position will have its new ranking.
[2016-10-05 07:19:23] zanza : cheap XMR guys
[2016-10-05 07:31:33] rapidtrades : zanza: u 1st m8
[2016-10-05 07:32:08] rapidtrades : j8: tnx for that tip
[2016-10-05 07:32:53] rapidtrades : I also agree with sleger and j8, PnL shouldn't matter
[2016-10-05 08:41:05] lockhedge : imho it's important that PNL matters, otherwise ADL would (more) frequently realize losses instead of profits. however i agree that leverage should have a higher weight than PNL in the formula.
[2016-10-05 10:30:51] billyboy402 : do the mods still reply to admin@bitmex.com ? send a email but thought it would of been answer by now
[2016-10-05 10:39:41] BitMEX_Wally : billyboy402: Sorry, I think that email address only goes to Sam. Send it to support@bitmex.com and we'll all see it
[2016-10-05 10:40:12] billyboy402 : cheer mate
[2016-10-05 10:46:03] 12 : 请问有没有客服QQ？
[2016-10-05 10:46:07] 12 : 有急事着客服
[2016-10-05 10:49:21] BitMEX_Jinming : 12: 你好
[2016-10-05 10:49:28] BitMEX_Jinming : 12: 有什么问题？
[2016-10-05 10:53:52] REKT : Liquidated long on `FCTXBT`: Sell 4000 @ 0.004053
[2016-10-05 10:53:52] REKT : Liquidated long on `FCTXBT`: Sell 3 @ 0.004057 :punch: :whale:
[2016-10-05 10:57:07] 12 : 我从比特币中国转过来2个比特币 已经2个小时 还没有到账
[2016-10-05 10:57:09] 12 : 非常着急
[2016-10-05 10:57:22] 12 : 我的手续费是0.0005个币
[2016-10-05 10:57:31] 12 : 按道理不应该这么慢
[2016-10-05 10:57:55] 12 : 麻烦你帮我查下 谢谢
[2016-10-05 10:58:03] 12 : 2个小时；
[2016-10-05 11:00:39] BitMEX_Jinming : 12: 你可以在Blockchain.info上看到这笔交易么？我们一旦有一个确认就会到账
[2016-10-05 11:01:40] 12 : 一直是pending 状态
[2016-10-05 11:02:15] 12 : 麻烦加我QQ116233742
[2016-10-05 11:02:17] 12 : 我发截图您
[2016-10-05 11:02:42] BitMEX_Jinming : 12: 那就是因为比特币网络还未确认你的交易
[2016-10-05 11:02:52] BitMEX_Jinming : 12: 稍等，我加你的qq
[2016-10-05 11:04:58] 12 : 谢谢
[2016-10-05 11:09:15] rapidtrades : cmon...60 cents for tokens?
[2016-10-05 11:09:36] rapidtrades : they only raised 2.5 mil
[2016-10-05 11:09:43] rapidtrades : where's the rest gonna come from
[2016-10-05 11:15:48] Kalman : rapidtrades: not closed yet but > min target ...
[2016-10-05 11:17:31] rapidtrades : ...
[2016-10-05 11:17:48] rapidtrades : if u don't have anything smart to add, better to not say anything at all
[2016-10-05 11:18:37] rapidtrades : they only verifiable stat we have says 2.5$ mil raised while buttfinex redditor claims 20mil
[2016-10-05 11:19:06] rapidtrades : we seem to have a mismatch
[2016-10-05 11:19:32] rapidtrades : I call it the 'lie gap'
[2016-10-05 11:56:59] Tetsuo : Quoine is bullish.
[2016-10-05 12:31:28] Tetsuo : China too : - )
[2016-10-05 12:49:21] mjones : ending dec 30 is pretty bullish $25 higher
[2016-10-05 12:49:58] mjones : no one trades the daily any more it looks like
[2016-10-05 12:56:47] rapidtrades : why would u trade the daily when u have swap
[2016-10-05 12:57:00] rapidtrades : also why would u pay 25$ premium when u have swap
[2016-10-05 13:07:30] sleger : to avoid funding surprises
[2016-10-05 13:25:26] kumarz : Any news that's driven today's little BTC rise peeps ?
[2016-10-05 13:30:42] rapidtrades : what rise...
[2016-10-05 13:31:10] kumarz : rapidtrades: hehe touche
[2016-10-05 13:48:23] Boontjie : Finally bitcoin is increasing
[2016-10-05 14:10:07] REKT : Liquidated long on `XMR7D`: Sell 660 @ 0.011674
[2016-10-05 14:10:21] REKT : Liquidated long on `XMR7D`: Sell 16 @ 0.011647
[2016-10-05 14:10:32] REKT : Liquidated long on `XMR7D`: Sell 5 @ 0.011546
[2016-10-05 14:15:50] Rado : rapidtrades: $25 premium could become $100 premium
[2016-10-05 14:16:06] Rado : so with swap you will not make that difference
[2016-10-05 14:16:18] Rado : if BTC jumps
[2016-10-05 14:19:52] cengel : did XMR7D go under 0.011 in mark price? why liquidations below?
[2016-10-05 14:23:31] Boontjie : cengel: check closely, they are all above 0.011
[2016-10-05 14:23:45] Rado : Liquidations are not under 0.011
[2016-10-05 14:23:53] cengel : meh mine says 0.0107
[2016-10-05 14:24:13] cengel : under exec price and price under Fills. oh well
[2016-10-05 14:24:16] Rado : That is your bankruptcy price
[2016-10-05 14:24:26] Rado : not liquidation
[2016-10-05 14:24:47] Rado : includes part for an insurance
[2016-10-05 14:37:03] habibi : BitMEX_Jinming: any eta on adding rep?
[2016-10-05 14:41:08] BitMEX_Greg : habibi: It's in testnet now, we are hoping by morning HK time, but don't quote me on that
[2016-10-05 14:41:19] habibi : BitMEX_Greg: great ty
[2016-10-05 14:49:52] laisee : kraken listing REP also
[2016-10-05 14:50:14] sleger : again ! They already listed it yesterday
[2016-10-05 14:50:49] laisee : hoping to repeat the first days success
[2016-10-05 15:11:26] Airmike : BitMEX_Greg: thank you for changing product panel on the top.
[2016-10-05 15:31:55] BitMEX_Greg : Airmike: That is Sam's genius. Cleaning up the interface a bit
[2016-10-05 15:35:24] Tetsuo : to make space for more shitcoins?
[2016-10-05 15:53:11] omicron : BitMEX_Greg: Sam is talented for sure ... but changing the look of tabs is genius now? Come on guys!
[2016-10-05 15:54:12] rapidtrades : let's not forget that Sam killed a perfect UI few months ago
[2016-10-05 15:54:24] omicron : killed it how?
[2016-10-05 15:54:43] rapidtrades : order panel was centered and now we have this
[2016-10-05 15:54:58] sleger : omicron: I dont think you are competent enough to recognize genius anyways, you above all
[2016-10-05 15:56:24] rapidtrades : man my neck is killing me
[2016-10-05 15:56:26] omicron : i guess developers need to keep making changes
[2016-10-05 15:57:43] rapidtrades : sleger: how's that option selling going?
[2016-10-05 15:58:07] sleger : what option ?
[2016-10-05 15:58:32] rapidtrades : how do i know
[2016-10-05 15:58:56] sleger : you're the one asking about it...
[2016-10-05 15:59:16] rapidtrades : i thought u did that
[2016-10-05 15:59:57] sleger : well more than once so i dont know which one you're talking about
[2016-10-05 16:02:01] rapidtrades : so its not done in a systematic fashion?
[2016-10-05 16:02:10] laisee : sleger: didn't you quit the bitmex site b4?
[2016-10-05 16:02:38] omicron : he just gets curious to see what UI changes they did so he keeps coming back
[2016-10-05 16:02:47] sleger : I did, and now i only trade 10% max of my trading here
[2016-10-05 16:03:55] laisee : thanks for being so generous
[2016-10-05 16:04:19] rapidtrades : has anyone here gone back to bitfinex
[2016-10-05 16:04:29] rapidtrades : curious, not gonna call u an idiot
[2016-10-05 16:04:47] sleger : this way they can see how much they lose in fees
[2016-10-05 16:05:05] rapidtrades : lol
[2016-10-05 16:05:29] laisee : rapidtrades: I never left ... didn't get a chance
[2016-10-05 16:05:40] rapidtrades : laisee: explain?
[2016-10-05 16:06:11] laisee : as in, my money got caught in the 'robbery'
[2016-10-05 16:06:26] rapidtrades : yeah but talking about now
[2016-10-05 16:06:32] rapidtrades : are u back to trading there
[2016-10-05 16:06:44] laisee : trading BFX, yes
[2016-10-05 16:07:51] laisee : didn't lose more than a few K, so it seemed churlish to give up already when there was fun to be had.
[2016-10-05 16:09:22] rapidtrades : so u only trade bfx ok
[2016-10-05 16:09:45] rapidtrades : well there's one idiot...anyone else?
[2016-10-05 16:10:13] rapidtrades : cos it says 2.8k volume and that seems hard to believe
[2016-10-05 16:10:16] laisee : rapidtrades: not a man of his word.
[2016-10-05 16:10:28] rapidtrades : laisee: kidding :)
[2016-10-05 16:10:29] laisee : for BFX?
[2016-10-05 16:10:50] rapidtrades : they have to be faking it
[2016-10-05 16:10:57] habibi : rapidtrades: where is ur law suit against bfx?
[2016-10-05 16:11:14] laisee : its ok ... there is some amount if idiocy trading non-existent 'coins' on any exchange ...
[2016-10-05 16:11:20] rapidtrades : how am i supposed to sue a bankrupt company
[2016-10-05 16:11:32] laisee : sue the directors
[2016-10-05 16:11:34] habibi : u were talking for hours here about ur suit...
[2016-10-05 16:11:48] rapidtrades : yeah and 1 person joined
[2016-10-05 16:11:48] laisee : sue the office janitors
[2016-10-05 16:12:03] habibi : rapidtrades: still not a man of his word
[2016-10-05 16:12:30] rapidtrades : ur right
[2016-10-05 16:12:49] laisee : habibi: challenge him to a duel ... of wits
[2016-10-05 16:13:34] rapidtrades : sleger should sue....he prolly has few 10ks at stake
[2016-10-05 16:13:50] rapidtrades : it's worth it at that point to risk insolvency
[2016-10-05 16:14:20] rapidtrades : if they raise they money i will sue, i see no way i can lose
[2016-10-05 16:15:08] habibi : dont know what sleger should do, but u should not give any advise here in that matter
[2016-10-05 16:15:28] habibi : after ur loong monologues of how u will sue them
[2016-10-05 16:15:50] rapidtrades : i said ur right
[2016-10-05 16:15:57] habibi : so stick to it
[2016-10-05 16:15:59] rapidtrades : now shut up
[2016-10-05 16:16:21] habibi : yes, u should
[2016-10-05 16:16:26] laisee : why not just hack them and get yout $109.00 back
[2016-10-05 16:16:36] rapidtrades : https://bnktothefuture.com/pitches/bitfinex/conversations
[2016-10-05 16:16:42] rapidtrades : $2.5 mil in new money
[2016-10-05 16:17:05] rapidtrades : so they're 68 mil short
[2016-10-05 16:17:19] rapidtrades : what I'm gonna do if i win
[2016-10-05 16:17:31] habibi : at least 25m more to come btw
[2016-10-05 16:17:47] rapidtrades : afaik those are just conversions
[2016-10-05 16:17:54] rapidtrades : and according to them
[2016-10-05 16:17:58] rapidtrades : they lie, a lot
[2016-10-05 16:18:43] rapidtrades : i tried and everyone wanted to do his own thing
[2016-10-05 16:19:21] rapidtrades : https://www.reddit.com/r/bitfinexcal
[2016-10-05 16:22:11] laisee : XMR is a screaming BUY for anyone not caught in its death spiral.
[2016-10-05 16:23:18] rapidtrades : https://www.reddit.com/r/BitcoinMarkets/comments/55pdv5/trader_hangout_with_ceo_mike_belshe_of_bitgo_live/
[2016-10-05 16:27:07] rapidtrades : habibi: do u wanna join the suit ?
[2016-10-05 16:27:44] rapidtrades : i have Rado and one other guy...i think lol
[2016-10-05 16:28:05] rapidtrades : guess i misjudged how ballless this community is
[2016-10-05 16:31:09] habibi : just tell me how u wanna recover more in bankruptcy witch still will make ur recovery be way less then actual one with selling bfx coins at current price and ending with ~15% loss at current stage?
[2016-10-05 16:32:24] rapidtrades : that's stupid
[2016-10-05 16:32:37] rapidtrades : and fi tokens crash to .30 tomorrow?
[2016-10-05 16:32:55] habibi : buy the dip, sell in panic. whatever lol
[2016-10-05 16:32:58] rapidtrades : they already did once....it's just a buy&hold hope party
[2016-10-05 16:33:05] rapidtrades : that's not the point
[2016-10-05 16:33:11] rapidtrades : when u trade u have money at risk
[2016-10-05 16:33:44] rapidtrades : get me ppl and i will sue
[2016-10-05 16:34:00] habibi : lol its ur job to gather more followers of ur idea
[2016-10-05 16:34:05] rapidtrades : 70mil was lost....get me 1mil in claims and im sure some lawyer will be interested
[2016-10-05 16:34:24] rapidtrades : dude the sub was there for few weeks and i got <10 interested ppl
[2016-10-05 16:34:46] rapidtrades : and most of them wanted to do their own thing, sue individually
[2016-10-05 16:34:47] habibi : yea he will work for free coz u are not able to pay anything due to pretty small loss overall
[2016-10-05 16:35:28] rapidtrades : duh, that's the point of the sub.....get few hundred smaller claims
[2016-10-05 16:36:19] rapidtrades : im not suing until 1. they get money from morons or 2. until more ppl join to make it worth it
[2016-10-05 16:37:41] MrRGnome : rapidtrades how well do you understand your legal system? You say things sometimes that make me wonder.
[2016-10-05 16:38:38] MrRGnome : You are effectively saying you're going to create a tort suite of some kind at some unknown date in the future against a foreign held company, and you believe it has a 100% chance of success.
[2016-10-05 16:38:47] rapidtrades : i have a law degree, so pretty well
[2016-10-05 16:39:36] laisee : it would cost a lot to sue in all jurisdictions, find out where are the assets and pay to enforce - assuming you win.
[2016-10-05 16:39:46] MrRGnome : There has been nothing about your commentary ever in this trollbox that indicates you have even the loosest grasp on law or economics so I highly doubt that.
[2016-10-05 16:39:59] habibi : MrRGnome: touche :)
[2016-10-05 16:41:31] sleger : insults to your mama incoming in 3, 2, 1.....
[2016-10-05 16:41:43] laisee : rapidtrades: civil, criminal or commercial?
[2016-10-05 16:41:45] rapidtrades : I will sue and i will win
[2016-10-05 16:41:54] MrRGnome : In fact, I think you have some serious mental health problems. The constant need for attention, engaging in frequent and constant lies about your profession (it was professional trader with a decades experience last time you told me)
[2016-10-05 16:41:56] MrRGnome : Get help man,
[2016-10-05 16:42:12] MrRGnome : Talk to someone,. It doesn't have to be like this.
[2016-10-05 16:42:38] rapidtrades : yeah im a trader...how does that negate my law degree u twat
[2016-10-05 16:42:52] MrRGnome : Any other lies you want to spin into that web?
[2016-10-05 16:43:03] MrRGnome : Or are you just goign to get irrationally verbally abusive
[2016-10-05 16:43:08] rapidtrades : lol screw u
[2016-10-05 16:43:11] MrRGnome : the way a mentally ill and defensive person might.
[2016-10-05 16:43:33] rapidtrades : i have nothing to prove to a pack of ballless autists
[2016-10-05 16:43:51] MrRGnome : Strong retort, they teach you that one in law school?
[2016-10-05 16:43:52] rapidtrades : bend over and get f*cked again
[2016-10-05 16:44:29] rapidtrades : that's why this space is full of scammers
[2016-10-05 16:44:29] MrRGnome : I'd be surprised if you even had a liberal arts degree.