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[2016-09-28 19:12:00] jung1 : but it cost 10% of your depo that is need to open position
[2016-09-28 19:13:27] habibi : nope, cost depends on actual market volatility, guess can vary a lot
[2016-09-28 21:06:47] loba333 : BitMEX_Greg: any chance you know how long my deposits guna take ?
[2016-09-28 21:08:07] justinlooking : 1 conf
[2016-09-28 21:08:56] loba333 : been pending for ages
[2016-09-28 21:09:03] justinlooking : last block was 33 mins ago
[2016-09-28 21:09:57] justinlooking : btc.blockr.io is decent block explorer
[2016-09-28 21:11:57] loba333 : https://blockchain.info/tx/f02c55f7f50360a2858446b72bdf7195ea79b5a26ea71c34ae33d9646aa3568e
[2016-09-28 21:12:15] loba333 : That blocks not confirmed right ?
[2016-09-28 21:13:04] justinlooking : ?
[2016-09-28 21:13:56] loba333 : thats my txid
[2016-09-28 21:14:49] justinlooking : '?
[2016-09-28 21:17:00] justinlooking : bitmex wallet are 3BMEX
[2016-09-28 21:18:16] BitMEX_Greg : loba333: I'll look into this for you
[2016-09-28 21:18:29] loba333 : Thanks greg !
[2016-09-28 21:22:55] BitMEX_Greg : Yes I still see it as pending as it has not had 1 confirmation on the network yet. The network may be slow. What type of fee did you attach to it?
[2016-09-28 21:33:05] loba333 : the one polo gives
[2016-09-28 21:33:15] loba333 : should have added more
[2016-09-28 21:55:56] BitMEX_Greg : loba333: I see that it should have been credited. Let me know if you still have any issues.
[2016-09-28 21:59:49] omicron : if I bought at 602.61 and the current id is 603.09 why is my ROE -1.99%
[2016-09-28 22:00:43] omicron : current *bid
[2016-09-28 22:01:06] omicron : oh its mark price
[2016-09-28 22:01:39] omicron : mark price/index price fvck this is confusing
[2016-09-28 22:02:14] omicron : so i can set liq price to last price correct?
[2016-09-28 22:02:25] omicron : instead off mark price?
[2016-09-28 22:02:32] BitMEX_Greg : Your pnl is marked at mark price
[2016-09-28 22:02:43] BitMEX_Greg : No, liquidations are set to mark price
[2016-09-28 22:02:50] BitMEX_Greg : You can set stops at mark, index, or last price however
[2016-09-28 22:03:05] omicron : oh ok. so i just need to use a tighter than liq stop
[2016-09-28 22:03:11] BitMEX_Greg : Yeah basically
[2016-09-28 22:03:40] BitMEX_Greg : But watch out for gap risk. I.e. if it plunges quickly then the stop may not get executed in time before you are liquidated.
[2016-09-28 22:04:28] omicron : is tht for stop limit? what about stop market? it will get executed even with plunge?
[2016-09-28 22:05:52] BitMEX_Greg : It may not, again because of the gap risk. I.e. one tick is 600, next is 590 (for example in an extreme case). If your stop was 599.99 and your liquidation was 599 then you would have been liquidated instead of the stop being executed. (I believe)
[2016-09-28 22:09:02] omicron : ah right,
[2016-09-28 22:13:15] omicron : but with liq, even if it gaps it will exit my position at liq price?
[2016-09-28 22:14:06] omicron : i.e. in the above example, if my liq price was 595, even with a gap to 590, my position is closed effectively at 595
[2016-09-28 22:16:51] BitMEX_Greg : That's right, it will exit at the liq price
[2016-09-29 00:05:47] troll face : hello
[2016-09-29 00:05:56] AudibleScience : hey
[2016-09-29 00:06:09] AudibleScience : welcome @troll face
[2016-09-29 03:29:16] Rado : I am going to fall asleep watching these crypto prices
[2016-09-29 03:29:20] Rado : nothing moving
[2016-09-29 04:02:26] omicron : scalp every move bro
[2016-09-29 04:02:41] omicron : buy the bid, sell the ask, do it in large quantity
[2016-09-29 04:36:33] rapidtrades : that's a good way to lose ur shirt once things move
[2016-09-29 05:28:07] zanza : has anyone done a cumulative average of XBT funding rates to get an annual approx?
[2016-09-29 05:32:43] rapidtrades : thee's no way buttfinex will raise anywhere near 80mil
[2016-09-29 05:33:23] rapidtrades : only 300k after 4 days
[2016-09-29 05:39:57] rapidtrades : zanza: what are u trading attm
[2016-09-29 06:21:41] lockhedge : zanza: annualized rate for the last 4 month is about 45%, for the last 2 month around -5%
[2016-09-29 06:32:38] rapidtrades : -5% meaning shorts pay?
[2016-09-29 06:32:45] rapidtrades : that's some major bullshit
[2016-09-29 06:34:22] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 85 @ 0.02173
[2016-09-29 06:35:25] omicron : looks like 7:00am european time is volume low tide for bitmex. for a moment volume dropped below even coinpit
[2016-09-29 06:35:53] omicron : saw it on a tweet
[2016-09-29 06:42:13] omicron : so desperate for a move, i dont care which direction
[2016-09-29 06:47:08] BitMEX_Wally : omicron: I think that tweet was only looking at XBTUSD volume
[2016-09-29 06:48:05] omicron : ya. i guess you got to be provocative for your followers
[2016-09-29 08:08:09] rapidtrades : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7UAeSsvHhTg
[2016-09-29 08:08:24] rapidtrades : ^^^ classic hot girl syndrome
[2016-09-29 08:08:47] rapidtrades : she got away with speaking bullshit for so long she's now turned psycho
[2016-09-29 08:11:27] mrp1nk : any thoughts on btc guise
[2016-09-29 08:12:31] mrp1nk : i'm neutral right to slightly bearish right now unless we see a higher high on the daily
[2016-09-29 08:12:32] rapidtrades : waiting for a breakout here
[2016-09-29 08:12:46] mrp1nk : (-right)
[2016-09-29 08:13:27] rapidtrades : it will come...maybe we're waiting for buttfinex resolution finally
[2016-09-29 08:13:38] rapidtrades : bastards killed the market
[2016-09-29 08:14:12] rapidtrades : €340,092 / €71,269,488
[2016-09-29 08:14:35] rapidtrades : there goes my shot at suing...
[2016-09-29 08:14:50] mrp1nk : yeah, bitfinex should really die imho
[2016-09-29 08:14:56] rapidtrades : anyway has experience with arbitration cases? how long do they take?
[2016-09-29 08:15:37] mrp1nk : i don't get why ppl still trade there...
[2016-09-29 08:15:58] rapidtrades : i don't know any real person that does....its fake
[2016-09-29 08:16:10] mrp1nk : must be some instance of stockholm syndrome if you ask me
[2016-09-29 08:16:12] rapidtrades : bitmex took them off their index, so did okc
[2016-09-29 08:16:36] rapidtrades : other sites know they're full of shit
[2016-09-29 08:16:53] mrp1nk : but but they say finex volume is fully legit while china is not /s
[2016-09-29 08:17:38] rapidtrades : at this point I expect everything from finex
[2016-09-29 08:17:54] rapidtrades : and they can't tell me they're not hiding smth
[2016-09-29 08:18:06] rapidtrades : this isn't a cut and dry theft like they claim
[2016-09-29 08:18:25] rapidtrades : smth was up there much earlier, they had problems for months
[2016-09-29 09:58:15] Tetsuo : i always suspected that their lending business was totally made up, and that most of it was provided by themselves. Once the credit bubble got to high, and a flash crash margin cascade was upon them they decided to go by the "theft" story. Bids (and shorts) were way too low to handle a margin long squeeze.
[2016-09-29 09:59:12] Tetsuo : i really don´t think that they ever had 40m from customers just to lend out
[2016-09-29 09:59:32] Tetsuo : it was probably all just numbers , just like Gox
[2016-09-29 10:00:25] Tetsuo : a crash below 4-500$ at that time probably would have put BTC on Finex into double digits territory
[2016-09-29 10:16:17] atodorov07 : It's true something was up in bitfinex. A month before the hack, the delayed my withdraw, then asked me for some personal documents. Haven't done that in the 2~ years I've used them.
[2016-09-29 10:21:57] rapidtrades : it will come out eventually
[2016-09-29 10:22:08] rapidtrades : some birdie will sing
[2016-09-29 11:49:08] REKT : Liquidated long on `XMR7D`: Sell 19 @ 0.014867
[2016-09-29 11:55:47] omicron : Tetsuo: but the coins moved
[2016-09-29 11:58:00] rapidtrades : omicron: moved where
[2016-09-29 11:58:14] omicron : by the hacker
[2016-09-29 11:58:23] rapidtrades : they could've moved them...that doesn't prove anything
[2016-09-29 11:59:03] rapidtrades : I'm not even alleging theft....could be just gross incompetence
[2016-09-29 12:00:09] REKT : Liquidated short on `ZECZ16`: Buy 821 @ 0.09087
[2016-09-29 12:01:23] rapidtrades : i don't know how but that datacenter move has smth to do with it
[2016-09-29 12:54:45] mjones : so long xmr
[2016-09-29 12:55:03] mjones : 6k away from new low
[2016-09-29 13:03:02] mjones : and longed 0.014
[2016-09-29 13:04:19] rapidtrades : RIP jones
[2016-09-29 13:05:06] mjones : if 0.0136 isn't support then 0.0125 might be
[2016-09-29 13:05:15] mjones : otherwise 0.01
[2016-09-29 13:06:17] rapidtrades : or 0.001 amirite
[2016-09-29 13:06:24] mjones : i should just short it. seems this shitcoin is over
[2016-09-29 13:06:33] mjones : everyone long from a higher price is fucked
[2016-09-29 13:06:50] mjones : and like 32 days the price was higher
[2016-09-29 13:07:40] rapidtrades : lol u just shorted
[2016-09-29 13:07:58] rapidtrades : that was the fastest change in opinion i've seen yet
[2016-09-29 13:08:07] mjones : yeah
[2016-09-29 13:08:11] mjones : it isnt even much
[2016-09-29 13:08:12] rapidtrades : let's see if it pays off :)
[2016-09-29 13:08:15] mjones : 0.1 btc
[2016-09-29 13:08:50] omicron : rapidtrades: any idea why opinion drastically changed. Im wondering if the dark market basically P&D XMR
[2016-09-29 13:10:21] rapidtrades : no idea, i try to learn much
[2016-09-29 13:11:52] rapidtrades : i meant to say i try not to learn much
[2016-09-29 13:12:09] rapidtrades : apparently that includes grammar as well
[2016-09-29 13:18:57] billyboy402 : some one want to teach me , what the easy way to calurlate a margin call price
[2016-09-29 13:19:27] billyboy402 : if your brought XMR at 0.0150 that meant at 10x u get margin call when the price move 10% ?
[2016-09-29 13:54:38] troll face : fuck
[2016-09-29 13:55:28] justinlooking : XMRekt
[2016-09-29 13:57:11] troll face : whats with the low volume today?
[2016-09-29 13:58:59] mjones : always the quietest right before liftoff
[2016-09-29 14:27:16] CaptainDean : XMR as always bounce back, everytime i think it will sink, it doesn't :P
[2016-09-29 14:39:06] CaptainDean : But this is a good support test
[2016-09-29 14:59:44] Rado : why would anyone follow news ever
[2016-09-29 15:00:03] Rado : you don't know how will the underlying react on th enews
[2016-09-29 15:00:12] Rado : just follow price and chart :-)
[2016-09-29 15:07:09] sebaas : I'm trying to find pre-sale Augur, anyone has a link?
[2016-09-29 15:22:38] messiaen8844 : December futures coming tomorrow?
[2016-09-29 15:23:05] messiaen8844 : actually I even miss the 7D BTC futures
[2016-09-29 15:25:10] BitMEX_Greg : sebaas: Seems the sale has ended already: https://sale.augur.net/
[2016-09-29 15:26:31] messiaen8844 : price pre-sale?
[2016-09-29 15:27:47] messiaen8844 : wow Augur passed 0.02BTC in Coinmarketcap
[2016-09-29 15:29:12] BitMEX_Greg : Can't see how many tokens were issued during the presale
[2016-09-29 15:29:19] messiaen8844 : 11M i think
[2016-09-29 15:29:41] messiaen8844 : bought a few BTCs of REP, I think it will be a spetacular dump on release
[2016-09-29 15:30:16] messiaen8844 : on 0.02BTC
[2016-09-29 15:30:53] messiaen8844 : Tried to sell my REP via developers escrow, OTC bids were way below that
[2016-09-29 15:33:40] BitMEX_Greg : Interesting
[2016-09-29 15:33:47] BitMEX_Greg : We may list a future on it soon
[2016-09-29 15:40:01] messiaen8844 : that was after ETH DAO hack
[2016-09-29 15:40:54] messiaen8844 : I would love a future to hedge my REPs
[2016-09-29 15:41:06] messiaen8844 : BFX pumping
[2016-09-29 15:58:29] sebaas : BitMEX_Greg: thanks greg, I know the crowdsale ended, I was hoping OTC
[2016-09-29 15:58:41] sebaas : It seems tho that escrow is not supported until actual launch
[2016-09-29 15:58:59] sebaas : so have to find a nice entry after launch
[2016-09-29 15:59:01] BitMEX_Greg : Ok no worries, sorry unable to help you there. Maybe some sellers on reddit or on the augur forums?
[2016-09-29 15:59:33] sebaas : Would be nice if BitMEX offers it :)
[2016-09-29 15:59:45] sebaas : but let's see how much volume it brings first, I guess :)
[2016-09-29 16:00:43] sebaas : messiaen8844: why dump? I think it has the hype factor, and ETH is still going strong too, don't see why it would dump
[2016-09-29 16:01:08] sebaas : ONly thing I hope is that btc rally won't crap on it
[2016-09-29 16:02:13] messiaen8844 : I will be very happy if you buy from me at 1000% of crowdsale price (BTC-WIse, USD wise it's 2000%)
[2016-09-29 16:02:47] sebaas : Did it go 10x already? Sheeit
[2016-09-29 16:02:52] messiaen8844 : it's actually the ETH valuation
[2016-09-29 16:03:14] messiaen8844 : crowdsale was before public ETH Frontier
[2016-09-29 16:03:42] sebaas : You're right, 0.02 seems to be the going rate now
[2016-09-29 16:04:12] messiaen8844 : It went even higher on Gatecoin (0.03 or 0.04 AFAIR), but of course those were IOUs
[2016-09-29 16:04:18] messiaen8844 : and Gatecoin is obviously a scam, no?
[2016-09-29 16:06:07] messiaen8844 : might pump a bit in the begginig, but the outcome will be obviously a controlled slow dump
[2016-09-29 16:07:15] sebaas : my bet is on similarity with FCT
[2016-09-29 16:20:00] rapidtrades : my bet is on all of u being full of shit
[2016-09-29 16:21:57] messiaen8844 : rapidtrades: long that
[2016-09-29 17:17:55] rapidtrades : these Yen moves are getting ridiculous
[2016-09-29 17:18:07] rapidtrades : it's like smone replaced all the traders with children
[2016-09-29 17:50:43] habibi : rapidtrades: https://www.twitch.tv/whalepool/v/92057246 watch
[2016-09-29 17:53:14] aethlios : so quiet across all coins.
[2016-09-29 18:40:11] Rado : Anyone participating in the Kibo ICO?
[2016-09-29 18:55:18] habibi : BitMEX_Greg: whats up with dpe on zec?
[2016-09-29 19:00:10] BitMEX_Greg : habibi: From the 821 liquidation
[2016-09-29 19:00:48] habibi : yep but most of that liquidation was at 0.13sth without dpe
[2016-09-29 19:02:27] justinlooking : 78% dpe lol
[2016-09-29 19:02:49] omicron : 78% is that XMR?
[2016-09-29 19:02:56] justinlooking : ZEC
[2016-09-29 19:03:19] omicron : that's some roughly caressed shit. Who is the genius who came up with DPE? shit idea pure shit
[2016-09-29 19:04:03] omicron : oh right, it was okc
[2016-09-29 19:04:13] BitMEX_Greg : I think it was from a position that was put on on the dump and then the price rise after
[2016-09-29 19:04:23] BitMEX_Greg : I need to check with the other guys about this HK time
[2016-09-29 19:04:44] omicron : im glad everyone is moving over to delever
[2016-09-29 19:05:11] omicron : conservative traders will now not be punished at the benefit of gamblers
[2016-09-29 19:05:28] habibi : BitMEX_Greg: but what about 300liq at 0.13 that didnt got filled and went back down to 0.08 sth
[2016-09-29 19:06:06] omicron : bitmex whole trading engine is so complex that it is unpredictable to retail traders
[2016-09-29 19:06:32] omicron : i mean, i like the team and the UI. But something missing here folks
[2016-09-29 19:06:58] marko4807 : I just came to bitmex, its a bit complicated but I guess it takes some getting used to
[2016-09-29 19:07:20] omicron : truth be told, there's not a lot of choices
[2016-09-29 19:07:20] habibi : marko4807: first u loose money, then u loose money
[2016-09-29 19:07:29] marko4807 : true
[2016-09-29 19:07:45] marko4807 : goes for other way around, right? xd
[2016-09-29 19:14:24] Rizky : where do you see current ZEC DPE?
[2016-09-29 19:15:47] BitMEX_Greg : habibi: Not too sure. It might have been filled
[2016-09-29 19:18:04] BitMEX_Greg : Rizky: On the trade page (https://www.bitmex.com/app/trade/ZECZ16), on the lower left side under "contract details" you will see the current price and an "i 78.32%" that is the current DPE number
[2016-09-29 19:18:13] BitMEX_Greg : It is also shown at the top of the orderbook
[2016-09-29 19:18:52] Rizky : ahh
[2016-09-29 19:18:55] Rizky : thanks G
[2016-09-29 19:20:33] Rizky : that resets when?
[2016-09-29 19:21:10] habibi : so basically every long now is fucked up probally for long time
[2016-09-29 19:22:16] habibi : BitMEX_Greg: it got filled, my apologies
[2016-09-29 19:22:28] habibi : on that dump u mentioned
[2016-09-29 19:24:31] zanza : 79% DPE wtf?
[2016-09-29 19:25:41] zanza : `[{"orderID":"5232f3ba-4333-bae0-c264-bf35b4961cfa","symbol":"ZECZ16","side":"Buy","price":0.090872,"leavesQty":821}`
[2016-09-29 19:27:58] wurstgelee : lol. nice DPE ...
[2016-09-29 19:28:57] wurstgelee : sell one contract and its gone again ;)
[2016-09-29 19:29:46] habibi : wurstgelee: nope
[2016-09-29 19:29:55] wurstgelee : ok, it less oO
[2016-09-29 19:29:57] wurstgelee : *its
[2016-09-29 19:33:31] omicron : With all due respect I don't think you can list a product with no liquidity with high leverage. DPE/ADL none of that shit is going to work
[2016-09-29 19:33:51] Tetsuo : yes we can!
[2016-09-29 19:33:54] habibi : omicron: with all due respect who cares what u talk :D
[2016-09-29 19:34:10] omicron : habibi: your mom does
[2016-09-29 19:34:13] zanza : looks like some insurance fund was moved towards the DPE
[2016-09-29 19:34:23] wurstgelee : zanza: ?
[2016-09-29 19:34:28] habibi : omicron: don't learn from rapidtrades, it sucks
[2016-09-29 19:34:30] zanza : its down to 61% now
[2016-09-29 19:34:39] wurstgelee : zanza: becaust one contract got sold
[2016-09-29 19:34:49] wurstgelee : last price marking ;)
[2016-09-29 19:34:54] CaptainDean : 0.090872 821 835
[2016-09-29 19:35:02] CaptainDean : this is a liquidation that is not fill yet
[2016-09-29 19:35:08] omicron : habibi: dont mean to offend. but basically im saying bitmex guys are smart, they should just figure it out
[2016-09-29 19:35:14] CaptainDean : which bring sthe DPE
[2016-09-29 19:35:34] habibi : CaptainDean: Change nick to CaptainObvious
[2016-09-29 19:35:39] omicron : instead of blindly copying shit. soc losses from okc and call it DPE. contract termination from cryptofacilities and call it ADL
[2016-09-29 19:35:45] CaptainDean : habibi: hahaha :P
[2016-09-29 19:36:20] habibi : and partially from bitvc* :)
[2016-09-29 19:36:21] CaptainDean : I think someone was wondering why, just syaing
[2016-09-29 19:36:23] omicron : bitmex, guys you have 3 guys from wall st. you can come up with better shit than the okc guys. we depend on you to figure it out. please
[2016-09-29 19:39:38] omicron : my suggestion humble as it may be is to get more market makers and add liquidity. This will solve all your DPE problems
[2016-09-29 19:39:39] BitMEX_Greg : We are switching to autodelev soon. Should solve a lot of these problems
[2016-09-29 19:41:28] habibi : BitMEX_Greg: u will switch markets with actual dpe as well?
[2016-09-29 19:41:54] BitMEX_Greg : habibi: How do you mean?
[2016-09-29 19:42:21] habibi : i mean, zec will convert into adl with that liquidation open?
[2016-09-29 19:42:54] BitMEX_Greg : I'm not too sure. I'll need to ask Wally and the guys about what will happen if this remains
[2016-09-29 19:45:19] omicron : BitMEX_Greg: I hope you guys have a plan. If not, you may have to open a new contract and let this terminate
[2016-09-29 19:45:36] omicron : and you should expect to get shit about calculations if you do any conversions
[2016-09-29 19:46:31] omicron : which reminds me, i should probably exit al positions before the switch
[2016-09-29 19:47:01] habibi : BitMEX_Greg: k, could u try to specify what are the requirements for zcash market to be ur index price?i mean what if there will be exchange trading it at first day, will u add it as refence if it will be only one for days?
[2016-09-29 19:47:52] BitMEX_Greg : habibi: We aim to chose the most liquid market that supports its. There is going to be minimal liquidity for the first 2 weeks or so on Zcash
[2016-09-29 19:48:41] omicron : actually zcash is trading without an index now, correct?
[2016-09-29 19:48:58] habibi : so lets say bittrex will add it and will have few 100s btc volume from the first day, is that enough or u will wait for polo?
[2016-09-29 19:49:04] BitMEX_Greg : There is no index. We are using last price as the marking method
[2016-09-29 19:49:33] omicron : BitMEX_Greg: last price marking seems to be working well. why not use it for everything else? it will simplify a lot of stuff
[2016-09-29 19:49:37] BitMEX_Greg : Not sure. I would need to ask the guys about it
[2016-09-29 19:50:02] habibi : BitMEX_Greg: if u can would be awsome, just for clarification
[2016-09-29 19:50:08] BitMEX_Greg : omicron: In low liquid markets, it subjects it to manipulation
[2016-09-29 19:50:15] BitMEX_Greg : habibi: np
[2016-09-29 19:50:21] omicron : fyi coinpit uses last price marking and people seem to like it there
[2016-09-29 19:51:00] BitMEX_Greg : I heard they lost a lot of money because of it. Each to their own
[2016-09-29 19:51:55] BitMEX_Sam : The only reason Coinpit's last price marking works is because of the strict limit up/down
[2016-09-29 19:52:24] BitMEX_Greg : Right. So the issue is that there will be no bids or offers available when the limits hit
[2016-09-29 19:52:37] BitMEX_Sam : As for ZEC early settlement, no need, DPE is applied on a weekly basis so the DPE clears tomorrow.
[2016-09-29 19:53:28] omicron : BitMEX_Sam: ah i see... they dont let the price move
[2016-09-29 19:54:31] omicron : anyway, i mostly trade XBT here, so ZEC does not bother me too much. Once its on polo, i'll consider trading here. will it be swap or futures?
[2016-09-29 19:54:49] omicron : post DEC i mean
[2016-09-29 19:55:02] BitMEX_Greg : Depends on liquidity and borrow market availability I would say
[2016-09-29 19:56:04] omicron : im sure others have mentioned this, but futures seem to work better for thin markets
[2016-09-29 19:56:15] omicron : i love the swap on bitcoin, dont change it
[2016-09-29 20:08:42] mrp1nk : Discussion with Bitfinex CFO Giancarlo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7qv02ztfn4
[2016-09-29 20:48:12] lockhedge : very interesting... Giancarlo owns "over 1.2 million tokens", so the CFO had $3.3m on his own exchange "as a private user"
[2016-09-29 20:55:34] herpinator : wow
[2016-09-29 20:59:08] Tetsuo : i feel for him
[2016-09-29 21:09:33] aethlios : http://www.cnbc.com/2016/09/29/deutsche-bank-shares-drop-after-report-that-some-hedge-funds-have-reduced-exposure.html
[2016-09-29 21:14:07] jeeburns : Hey just curious, had a pending deposit that disappeared. Don't see a balance
[2016-09-29 21:15:15] habibi : jeeburns: its called robin hood feature, ur money was splitted among top 10 daily losers here
[2016-09-29 21:15:39] jeeburns : lol
[2016-09-29 21:16:38] jeeburns : Anything I need to do or just wait till it posts?
[2016-09-29 21:17:07] habibi : try to restart pc, i heard this solution always works
[2016-09-29 21:18:09] Tetsuo : Monero on the verge of collapse
[2016-09-29 21:18:24] jeeburns : Seriously tho?
[2016-09-29 21:18:34] BitMEX_Sam : jeeburns: It's likely still confirming. If you search your wallet address on a block explorer, you will likely see the pending deposit.
[2016-09-29 21:18:42] BitMEX_Sam : We don't credit it to your account until it's been included in a block.
[2016-09-29 21:18:57] jeeburns : ok thank you :)
[2016-09-29 21:37:17] omicron : habibi are you serious? DPE also applies to deposits?
[2016-09-29 21:38:25] BitMEX_Sam : That's not true, where did you get that idea?
[2016-09-29 21:39:53] mjones : I can't wait till DPE starts.
[2016-09-29 21:41:04] habibi : omicron: nah, i tried to be funny and failed like always :(
[2016-09-29 21:43:05] justinlooking : habibi: i lol'd
[2016-09-29 21:43:12] justinlooking : well more sniggered
[2016-09-29 21:49:02] omicron : what is sceoed mean
[2016-09-29 21:49:41] omicron : habibi dont feel bad, thats why we have trollbox, to troll
[2016-09-29 22:07:15] habibi : omicron: u seems to be the nicest person i'v ever met here ;p
[2016-09-29 22:12:41] omicron : im still a beginner troll
[2016-09-29 22:12:50] omicron : one day i hope to be as obnoxious as bitmex_greg
[2016-09-29 22:14:16] omicron : i got a 20% profit now but i know the ROE is BS. Should I exit now or hope it will go higher
[2016-09-29 22:22:45] Tetsuo : if BTC hold, everything else drop ASAP
[2016-09-29 22:33:06] BitMEX_Greg : omicron: Stay on the trollbox and it will fix you right up in no time
[2016-09-29 22:33:58] omicron : honored to have the blessings my guru
[2016-09-29 22:34:22] BitMEX_Greg : Go now and troll away my young padawan
[2016-09-29 22:40:27] omicron : fvck i should have sold price is gonna drop now just to spite me
[2016-09-29 22:40:51] omicron : fock
[2016-09-29 22:40:56] omicron : fack
[2016-09-29 22:41:03] omicron : feck
[2016-09-29 22:41:07] omicron : fick
[2016-09-29 22:41:12] omicron : fuck
[2016-09-29 22:41:19] omicron : fyck
[2016-09-29 22:49:32] BitMEX_Greg : You're overdoing it
[2016-09-29 22:56:45] habibi : why for example right now mark price is 2103 on etc?
[2016-09-29 22:56:51] habibi : was*
[2016-09-29 23:05:17] sleger : click for more details
[2016-09-30 00:09:30] omicron : as expected, i should have sold when i had 20% and i predicted it would sell but greed is such a muther fvcker
[2016-09-30 00:10:06] omicron : fear and greed have fvcked my account despite calling every move correctly even in chop
[2016-09-30 00:10:19] omicron : anyone else can sympathise?
[2016-09-30 00:11:28] laisee : dem's da breaks ...
[2016-09-30 00:12:11] omicron : this is why you cant beat algos. they have no fear
[2016-09-30 00:13:17] omicron : bitmex should have used all their brains to just write a super algo
[2016-09-30 00:39:41] zanza : maybe they do
[2016-09-30 00:45:09] omicron : well if they had super algo, they dont need the pain of users like us
[2016-09-30 00:45:41] omicron : frankly, crypto customers are kinda rough to deal with, coz they been f'd in the ass too much
[2016-09-30 00:46:52] omicron : fvvvvvck 20% is now 0%. I know im gonna hold hoping it will go up just a bit but its gonna sell off and my in profit trade is gonna be a loss
[2016-09-30 00:47:04] omicron : but if I do sell now at breakeven, it will certainly go up
[2016-09-30 01:28:06] laisee : omicron: we have all got our popcorn ready, waiting for your next big move ... ;-)
[2016-09-30 01:30:26] laisee : Deutsche not having a good week.
[2016-09-30 03:49:35] JAYWARM : HELLO THERE!
[2016-09-30 03:49:52] JAYWARM : Im new here, do you offer auto trading here?
[2016-09-30 03:50:47] BitMEX_Greg : JAYWARM: Hi, welcome to the platform. We do not have any auto trading as such. You can create bots and use API's however
[2016-09-30 03:52:18] JAYWARM : im not so familiar with what bots and api works about,
[2016-09-30 03:53:20] JAYWARM : i just thought we have that option here, i seldom get online so kind of looking for legit companies who offers auto trade
[2016-09-30 03:53:35] omicron : what exactly do you mean auto-trade?
[2016-09-30 03:53:50] BitMEX_Greg : Copy trades?
[2016-09-30 05:42:26] d00ber : nice big ol buy on xbt... close to 100k contracts
[2016-09-30 06:12:19] Rado : automated trading
[2016-09-30 06:12:27] Rado : he means bots trading
[2016-09-30 06:13:38] Rado : JAYWARM: you can try https://cryptotrader.org/?r=467
[2016-09-30 06:14:14] Rado : I will create a bot for BitMEX eventually
[2016-09-30 06:14:28] Rado : too busy at the moment
[2016-09-30 06:47:24] Rado : BitMEX_Greg: is there still discount on commissions for new signups from my affiliate link?
[2016-09-30 07:27:05] aethlios : DB below 10 euro
[2016-09-30 07:37:56] Kalman : aethlios: 10 too much ;)
[2016-09-30 07:58:10] aethlios : DB could make usd rally, so china devalue yuan and start a new btc rally.
[2016-09-30 08:03:30] Kalman : aethlios: DB ignites your hopes & phantasies
[2016-09-30 09:01:32] REKT : Liquidated long on `XMR7D`: Sell 70 @ 0.013535
[2016-09-30 09:03:35] REKT : Liquidated long on `XMR7D`: Sell 2706 @ 0.013301
[2016-09-30 09:30:52] REKT : Liquidated long on `XMR7D`: Sell 1500 @ 0.013208
[2016-09-30 09:48:57] rapidtrades : the guy that shorted XMR did well....
[2016-09-30 09:49:03] rapidtrades : ...if we didn't change his mind again
[2016-09-30 09:50:55] justinlooking : check 'em up
[2016-09-30 10:08:44] rapidtrades : there's an indicator on BFX
[2016-09-30 10:09:21] rapidtrades : woot deleveraging soon
[2016-09-30 10:29:27] habibi : whats up with bitfinex contract?
[2016-09-30 10:31:53] habibi : nvm, there is already new one as well
[2016-09-30 10:32:02] aethlios : habibi: investors buy bfx to participate to the equity conversion, no other way.
[2016-09-30 10:35:10] rapidtrades : €430,240 / €71,294,894
[2016-09-30 10:36:03] habibi : aethlios: i was asking about future contract here, new contract made me confused
[2016-09-30 10:36:30] rapidtrades : only 94% more to go!
[2016-09-30 10:36:58] rapidtrades : i'm sure ppl will pile in last minute cos buttfinex is such a great investment
[2016-09-30 11:50:09] mjones : just noticed bitmex back on cryptowatch
[2016-09-30 11:55:34] mjones : damn. dont start pumping xmr for another 4 minutes
[2016-09-30 12:00:09] REKT : Liquidated short on `ZECZ16`: Buy 821 @ 0.09067
[2016-09-30 12:00:35] mjones : 821 rekt
[2016-09-30 12:00:54] mjones : lol @ xmr orderbook
[2016-09-30 12:01:27] mjones : now it's better
[2016-09-30 12:02:35] sleger : no december, shame on you bitmex
[2016-09-30 12:02:38] MrJ1m : no more BTC 3M ?
[2016-09-30 12:02:41] mjones : no more
[2016-09-30 12:02:42] MrJ1m : right! shame!!
[2016-09-30 12:02:53] MrJ1m : damn
[2016-09-30 12:02:56] mjones : i was in it when it disappeared like a magician
[2016-09-30 12:03:16] MrJ1m : any reason why?
[2016-09-30 12:03:29] sleger : they want to give more business to 0kcoin
[2016-09-30 12:03:37] MrJ1m : lol well
[2016-09-30 12:03:45] mjones : trying to get better liquidity on perpetual swap
[2016-09-30 12:05:45] BitMEX_Arthur : We will send out an announcement soon about a 3m XBJ futures contract
[2016-09-30 12:06:14] BitMEX_Arthur : we will offer a full curve and we will see what users prefer
[2016-09-30 12:06:29] billyboy402 : what did the xmr sette at
[2016-09-30 12:06:31] MrJ1m : still :(
[2016-09-30 12:10:06] MrJ1m : damn that sucks. im in shock lol
[2016-09-30 12:10:37] habibi : 0.013415 billyboy402
[2016-09-30 12:11:12] billyboy402 : do you have the link for that mate ?
[2016-09-30 12:11:25] justinlooking : billyboy402: look in account->trade history
[2016-09-30 12:11:28] billyboy402 : what was the lower 0.01300 should of closed it early
[2016-09-30 12:12:05] billyboy402 : that suck , when you withdraw every thing . the chart change to a QR code \
[2016-09-30 12:12:36] Mm bot : Where is BTC 3m contract now?
[2016-09-30 12:18:14] mjones : @mmbot BitMEX_Arthur: We will send out an announcement soon about a 3m XBJ futures contract
[2016-09-30 12:21:46] justinlooking : so when does ZEC dpe get applied if it wasn't 20 mins ago?
[2016-09-30 12:22:49] BitMEX_Arthur : justinlooking: there was no DPE
[2016-09-30 12:24:59] justinlooking : Arthur: but the dpe indicator says there should have been 75-80%
[2016-09-30 12:27:13] BitMEX_Arthur : https://www.bitmex.com/app/settlementHistory
[2016-09-30 12:28:36] justinlooking : .Arthur: but the dpe indicator says there should have been 75-80%
[2016-09-30 12:40:26] rapidtrades : BitMEX_Arthur: again, noone will trade a JPY future
[2016-09-30 12:40:57] rapidtrades : do what ppl already trade, no need to reinvent
[2016-09-30 12:41:26] rapidtrades : like sleger said, we can trade long-dated futures elsewhere if USD is not an option here
[2016-09-30 12:43:41] MrJ1m : make bitmex great again
[2016-09-30 12:45:18] Sqrl : justinlooking: I expect the DPE will only be crystallised when that position gets liquidated.
[2016-09-30 12:46:57] Sqrl : The whole approach to margining, risk management and liquidation seems a bit questionable to me.
[2016-09-30 12:48:12] Sqrl : 821 contracts is 78% of the open interest.
[2016-09-30 12:52:51] XMRer : leave it to bitmex to screw things up again. I think they love it. I would be surprised if they close door and do a runner
[2016-09-30 12:53:09] XMRer : i wouldn't be surprised
[2016-09-30 12:53:51] REKT : Liquidated long on `LTCXBT`: Sell 8 @ 0.00631
[2016-09-30 12:53:53] habibi : so u don't have any funds here?
[2016-09-30 12:56:38] Sqrl : Presumably the DPE is calculated based on the price the liquidation order is placed at (i.e. .090673 currently).
[2016-09-30 12:56:53] Sqrl : And what point does the DPE hit 100%?
[2016-09-30 12:57:20] Sqrl : 0.101609?
[2016-09-30 13:02:12] MrJ1m : will a withdrawal sent 30 sec after deadline be included in today batch?
[2016-09-30 13:11:31] sleger : "BitMEX_Arthur: we will offer a full curve and we will see what users prefer" -> keep not listening, your clients are not japanese they dont want to trade jpy, even if you tweak the screen to trick them into thinking they trade usd
[2016-09-30 13:13:03] sleger : and you won't see what users prefer by doing that, you will only see what I said above
[2016-09-30 13:13:46] Rado : I don't get why the contract has to be JPY
[2016-09-30 13:14:24] Rado : I get that they have a partnership with Quoine
[2016-09-30 13:14:52] Rado : but they also trade BTC in USD
[2016-09-30 13:15:25] Rado : you can see 24 volume is 6 XBT on XBJ
[2016-09-30 13:15:41] Rado : 1472 XBT on XBT
[2016-09-30 13:15:46] Rado : huge difference
[2016-09-30 13:16:03] Rado : I don't understand how you go with the 0.1 % of users
[2016-09-30 13:16:17] Rado : wait for crazy Japanese to start trading first
[2016-09-30 13:16:32] rapidtrades : if being here taught me anything is that arguing won't make a difference :)
[2016-09-30 13:16:50] rapidtrades : we made our point clear...now they have to see the result to change
[2016-09-30 13:17:07] Rado : it will if we all stop trading
[2016-09-30 13:17:14] Rado : no commissions no BitMEX
[2016-09-30 13:18:06] Rado : actually no need to do that
[2016-09-30 13:18:24] Rado : they will see the trading fall off a cliff when they make the change
[2016-09-30 13:20:42] BitMEX_Greg : Appreciate the feedback, we consider ourselves to be highly adaptable. However we are targeting areas that we believe will be growth areas right now.
[2016-09-30 13:21:04] rapidtrades : japan is not a growth area, they will die out soon
[2016-09-30 13:21:14] BitMEX_Greg : Why do you think that?
[2016-09-30 13:21:21] rapidtrades : cos they've stopped having sex decades ago
[2016-09-30 13:21:25] Rado : Also you can target them without touching 90% of your business
[2016-09-30 13:21:33] billyboy402 : Must of been a lot of withdraws - there a little slow tonight
[2016-09-30 13:21:55] BitMEX_Greg : Haha, well I thought the government had introduced schemes for them to leave work early to spend more quality time at home
[2016-09-30 13:22:05] arbitrage001 : will long dated btc be back?
[2016-09-30 13:22:11] arbitrage001 : contract that is
[2016-09-30 13:22:18] BitMEX_Greg : Most likely another 3 month
[2016-09-30 13:22:21] arbitrage001 : 3,69,12 months
[2016-09-30 13:22:45] BitMEX_Greg : I don't think we will list longer than that, given the past volume in the longer dateds were quite small
[2016-09-30 13:22:54] arbitrage001 : ok
[2016-09-30 13:23:13] Rado : will be great if there is 1 month and 3 month
[2016-09-30 13:23:19] Rado : so you can do spreads
[2016-09-30 13:23:26] arbitrage001 : or 1,2,3 months
[2016-09-30 13:23:29] Rado : right now you can't
[2016-09-30 13:24:03] BitMEX_Greg : I'm not sure if we will have a monthly. But definitely a fortnightly contract
[2016-09-30 13:24:13] Rado : why is XBTU16 still showing as open possitions?
[2016-09-30 13:24:18] Rado : position
[2016-09-30 13:26:08] BitMEX_Greg : Do you mind taking a screenshot and sending to us?
[2016-09-30 13:26:18] Rado : sure
[2016-09-30 13:26:28] BitMEX_Greg : Thx
[2016-09-30 13:27:25] Rado : BitMEX_Greg: I did a hard refresh and it's gone
[2016-09-30 13:27:44] BitMEX_Greg : Ah ok, yeah might have just been a stale view
[2016-09-30 13:28:27] Rado : I guess browser stayed open and the view was not refreshed by the ajax or whatever you use
[2016-09-30 13:28:53] BitMEX_Greg : I'll have Sam take a look
[2016-09-30 13:29:23] Rado : rapidtrades: what happens if JPY falls against the USD
[2016-09-30 13:29:40] Rado : BTC will go up in JPY right?
[2016-09-30 13:33:00] BitMEX_Greg : Yeah 1 bitcoin will be more expensive to buy with JPY than with USD if JPY depreciates
[2016-09-30 13:37:09] Rado : anhone else thinks ZEC is an easy short here?
[2016-09-30 13:37:15] Rado : anyone
[2016-09-30 13:39:53] justinlooking : sort of
[2016-09-30 13:40:27] habibi : BitMEX_Greg: did u get clarification about the rules of adding exchange as an index price for zec?
[2016-09-30 13:41:22] arbitrage001 : habibi: where is zec being traded
[2016-09-30 13:42:34] habibi : arbitrage001: there are no zec main net coins yet
[2016-09-30 13:43:02] BitMEX_Greg : habibi: We will decide on an exchange early November, no set date as yet
[2016-09-30 13:44:19] habibi : BitMEX_Greg: could u set a clear rules as its important for trading here when there will be posibility to have price indexed to market
[2016-09-30 13:45:56] BitMEX_Greg : I understand your concern. I will bring it up with the guys see if we can add something to the contract specifications page
[2016-09-30 13:56:36] BitMEX_Greg : habibi: We will have some clearer rules coming soon
[2016-09-30 13:58:49] habibi : Thanks, looking forward to see them
[2016-09-30 14:48:20] Panoukla : I still don't get it why liquidating emptied my account
[2016-09-30 14:49:03] Rado : Panoukla: that's what liquidating does if you are using cross margin
[2016-09-30 14:49:16] Rado : or even if you used specific margin
[2016-09-30 14:49:25] Panoukla : i was cross
[2016-09-30 14:49:27] Rado : depends on what was your leverage
[2016-09-30 14:49:32] BitMEX_Greg : Panoukla: Hi, I can assist you here.
[2016-09-30 14:49:39] mjones : welcome back XMR buyers
[2016-09-30 14:49:51] Rado : so cross gives you maximum protection, but also wipes a lot of your holdings
[2016-09-30 14:49:55] sleger : yes please return all of his monies, it's not his fault if he got unlucky and took the wrong side of the trade
[2016-09-30 14:50:06] Panoukla : i lost all bc of the tiny last bit of monero dump
[2016-09-30 14:50:24] Rado : Panoukla: looks like your risk was big
[2016-09-30 14:50:30] BitMEX_Greg : As Rado was saying, using Cross Margin as the margin method uses all available funds in your account as margin. Please take a read of the margin page here: https://www.bitmex.com/app/isolatedMargin
[2016-09-30 14:50:36] Rado : you have to invest only portion of your holdings
[2016-09-30 14:50:40] BitMEX_Greg : sleger: You of all traders should know we don't do that
[2016-09-30 14:51:00] Rado : BitMEX_Greg: sleger was kidding
[2016-09-30 14:51:07] BitMEX_Greg : I know :)
[2016-09-30 14:51:10] Rado : :-)
[2016-09-30 14:51:13] sleger : yep, even if the trader is not the one who screwed up. I think he was kidding too rado
[2016-09-30 14:52:48] Panoukla : i thought i was losing just a portion but liquidating took all
[2016-09-30 14:53:44] Rado : did you have more than 50% of your holdings in this trade?
[2016-09-30 14:54:07] BitMEX_Greg : Panoukla: During a liquidation event, the engine will attempt to use all available funds you have assigned to it (in this case since you chose Cross Margin, then all available funds in your wallet) to avoid a liquidation. If the price kept declining then a liquidation will not be avoided.
[2016-09-30 14:54:23] BitMEX_Greg : Please take a read of the liquidation guide: https://www.bitmex.com/app/liquidation
[2016-09-30 14:54:54] BitMEX_Greg : I suggest to try a lower leverage if you are new to the system
[2016-09-30 14:55:49] habibi : aka deposit more as soon as possible! try harder
[2016-09-30 14:56:52] Panoukla : so may i have accounting about what price my contracts were sold by the machine bc it does add up..
[2016-09-30 14:57:14] BitMEX_Greg : Take a look at your trade history: https://www.bitmex.com/app/tradeHistory
[2016-09-30 14:57:26] BitMEX_Greg : It will show you the liquidation event at the bankruptcy price.
[2016-09-30 15:00:40] Panoukla : it does but this sell order is nowhere to be found in the recent orders of monero
[2016-09-30 15:01:24] Panoukla : the machine sold me contracts at 0.012443
[2016-09-30 15:01:37] Panoukla : where is this order in the recent orders ?
[2016-09-30 15:02:01] Panoukla : the machine sold my contracts at 0.012443
[2016-09-30 15:03:17] BitMEX_Greg : The price you see is the bankruptcy price. You would have received a liquidation email explaining all the details regarding the liquidation and prices
[2016-09-30 15:04:20] BitMEX_Greg : The Maintenance Margin on Monero is 5%. The liquidation engine will liquidate you when your margin drops below this level and liquidate you at the bankruptcy price (at 0%). The engine will then attempt to close out the position in the market using the remaining funds to do so. Any funds leftover are added to the insurance fund.
[2016-09-30 15:07:21] sleger : and once this fund reaches 10k, the balance is transferred to my account, thank you for your contribution
[2016-09-30 15:08:50] Panoukla : the price went 65 satoshi lower than my margin and i lost all.. well done
[2016-09-30 15:23:45] arbitrage001 : is the newly propose future contract inverse too?
[2016-09-30 15:28:50] BitMEX_Sam : Yes, XBJ will be inverse
[2016-09-30 15:29:43] arbitrage001 : BitMEX_Sam: i mean the 7d, and 3 months contract
[2016-09-30 15:30:08] BitMEX_Sam : Yes - we're referring to the same thing.
[2016-09-30 15:30:21] arbitrage001 : BitMEX_Sam: alright. thank you
[2016-09-30 15:30:50] Sqrl : Huh. BTCZECZ16's DPE is back to 0%.
[2016-09-30 15:35:49] BitMEX_Sam : Sqrl: Yes, the price has dropped since yesterday, so the value of the position that the engine holds has increased and no loss is necessary
[2016-09-30 15:37:51] Sqrl : And now it's back up to 75.58%!!!
[2016-09-30 15:38:07] sleger : because someone traded 1 at 0.105
[2016-09-30 15:39:36] Sqrl : At 0.10657, the DPE was 75.7%
[2016-09-30 15:39:45] Sqrl : At .090674, it was 0%
[2016-09-30 15:39:55] Sqrl : At .025, it's 75.59%
[2016-09-30 15:40:10] Sqrl : Correction to last: At .015, it's 75.59%
[2016-09-30 15:46:27] habibi : a lot of people here want quanto, quote from bitmex mail "Many traders have noted the difficulty in trading Quanto futures products given the complexity and non-linearity." Lol :D
[2016-09-30 15:48:09] Sqrl : The difference in value on a 821 contract position between .090674 and .105 is 11.762 BTC.
[2016-09-30 15:48:29] BitMEX_Greg : We have seen many traders here say they don't like trading quanto at all.
[2016-09-30 15:48:30] Sqrl : "Profit Adjustment = Total Loss / (Total Profit + Existing Insurance Fund)"
[2016-09-30 15:48:43] Sqrl : And the existing insurance fund is 37 BTC.