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[2016-09-21 12:22:24] rapidtrades : I hear good things about meth
[2016-09-21 12:23:10] rapidtrades : good things from bad people...
[2016-09-21 12:36:28] rapidtrades : markets listened to the BOJ and were like NOPE NOPE NOPE
[2016-09-21 15:01:21] laisee : Rapid: who ever listened to BOJ?
[2016-09-21 15:04:49] omicron : wow volume is back. wtf happened? is sleger back?
[2016-09-21 15:10:05] Rado : so BTC fell because of FED or BOJ?
[2016-09-21 15:12:54] Susperia : because dead shitcoin
[2016-09-21 15:13:33] Susperia : buy ZCash, developed by lesbian shemale, the success will be huge
[2016-09-21 15:34:46] omicron : Im gonna create a new coin ZZCoin
[2016-09-21 15:34:59] omicron : It will play music from ZZTop
[2016-09-21 16:10:01] Boontjie : Susperia: doesnt stop the price from being
[2016-09-21 17:45:17] rapidtrades : from being what?
[2016-09-21 17:45:23] rapidtrades : don't leave me hanging brah
[2016-09-21 17:45:34] Boontjie : high
[2016-09-21 17:45:42] CaptainDean : So ware back under 600,
[2016-09-21 17:45:47] CaptainDean : i'm surprise
[2016-09-21 17:45:55] rapidtrades : i'm not
[2016-09-21 17:45:59] Boontjie : CaptainDean: why
[2016-09-21 17:46:32] CaptainDean : i don't know, i tough we would go higher,
[2016-09-21 17:46:55] Susperia : why it would go higher?
[2016-09-21 17:47:04] Boontjie : CaptainDean: The halvening has happened :) No new news
[2016-09-21 17:47:23] CaptainDean : Boontjie: Yeah we are missing some good news at the moment
[2016-09-21 17:47:54] rapidtrades : some tool will prolly knee-jerk the Fed
[2016-09-21 17:48:12] Susperia : Will go under 300 again, then to 160, 100.
[2016-09-21 17:48:17] Boontjie : We need Marc on speed dail. So there be YOLO long
[2016-09-21 17:48:44] Boontjie : Under 300 is possible. I dont know about a 100
[2016-09-21 17:49:31] CaptainDean : 300 will putt a lot of pressure on miner
[2016-09-21 17:49:37] CaptainDean : 100 would be horrible for miners
[2016-09-21 17:49:49] Susperia : Why not 100? Even why not 50? Network can die, no one need it. You can trade "futures" and numbers on exchange. No one really using it anyway.
[2016-09-21 17:49:51] CaptainDean : in fact miming would be plain stupid at large scale
[2016-09-21 17:50:32] Boontjie : Well difficulty will drop a lot
[2016-09-21 17:51:00] Boontjie : So 100 is theoretically possible. You just a lot less secure network
[2016-09-21 17:51:08] Boontjie : get*
[2016-09-21 17:51:17] CaptainDean : everyting is possible
[2016-09-21 17:51:21] CaptainDean : we could go 1000$ :P
[2016-09-21 17:51:35] Boontjie : I think we will eventually
[2016-09-21 17:52:04] Susperia : lol we will never see even 700 again
[2016-09-21 17:52:29] Boontjie : Thats what we said last year. Here we are
[2016-09-21 18:04:57] rapidtrades : no change in fed rates
[2016-09-21 18:10:53] CaptainDean : Susperia: SO you can predict future right ? no ones know what will happen, that's the true
[2016-09-21 18:15:05] sleger : the true the truce or the truth ?
[2016-09-21 18:32:14] CaptainDean : SHIPPABLE
[2016-09-21 18:32:21] CaptainDean : truth
[2016-09-21 18:40:22] REKT : Liquidated long on `XMR7D`: Sell 28 @ 0.016698
[2016-09-21 18:40:22] REKT : Liquidated long on `XMR7D`: Sell 150 @ 0.016697
[2016-09-21 19:01:07] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 581 @ 0.02245
[2016-09-21 19:01:07] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 7 @ 0.02244
[2016-09-21 19:01:22] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 5 @ 0.02243
[2016-09-21 19:06:11] Susperia : XMR :(
[2016-09-21 19:41:35] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 132 @ 0.02223
[2016-09-21 20:21:29] troller : can I margin fund here?
[2016-09-21 20:25:08] billz : Has bitmex switched over from the DPE system to the new one yet?
[2016-09-21 20:26:25] BitMEX_Sam : billz: No, that will go live on Oct 3, 12:00 UTC.
[2016-09-21 20:26:40] billz : ok cool
[2016-09-21 20:26:46] BitMEX_Sam : troller: Leverage here is "free", but you can earn funding on most contracts by shorting.
[2016-09-21 20:27:07] BitMEX_Sam : troller: See https://www.bitmex.com/app/swapsGuide#funding
[2016-09-21 20:33:07] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 7 @ 0.02209
[2016-09-21 20:35:52] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 5 @ 0.02206
[2016-09-21 20:39:07] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 20 @ 0.02202
[2016-09-21 21:51:22] REKT : Liquidated long on `FCTXBT`: Sell 1 @ 0.005196 :punch: :whale:
[2016-09-21 21:55:58] RocketScience : Factom ninja dump deluxe
[2016-09-21 22:09:40] mjones : nothing like dump 100k FCT when there is only 8,753,219
[2016-09-21 23:21:52] REKT : Liquidated long on `XMR7D`: Sell 30 @ 0.016511
[2016-09-21 23:22:34] REKT : Liquidated long on `XMR7D`: Sell 200 @ 0.016361
[2016-09-22 00:27:16] omicron : wow sudden vol on FCT
[2016-09-22 00:27:22] omicron : did something get announced
[2016-09-22 00:45:58] rapidtrades : Kuroda prolly having nightmares right about now
[2016-09-22 00:46:08] rapidtrades : time to invite Ben again
[2016-09-22 00:52:48] rapidtrades : http://www.coindesk.com/winklevoss-exchange-gemini-bitcoin-auctions/
[2016-09-22 00:53:35] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 3 @ 0.02259 :punch: :whale:
[2016-09-22 01:04:52] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 5 @ 0.02245
[2016-09-22 01:20:07] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC7D`: Sell 8 @ 0.002021
[2016-09-22 01:21:07] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC7D`: Sell 9 @ 0.002005
[2016-09-22 01:21:21] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC7D`: Sell 4600 @ 0.001990
[2016-09-22 01:21:24] mjones : etc final leg down
[2016-09-22 01:32:23] CaptainDean : u sure ? :P
[2016-09-22 01:32:49] CaptainDean : mjones: i think it might collaspe
[2016-09-22 01:37:56] CaptainDean : it did survive the last dip
[2016-09-22 01:39:20] mjones : final leg as here is your last chance to get a bunch of BTC for your few ETC
[2016-09-22 01:39:39] mjones : looking at the polo buy side it looks like 1 person is holding price up. probably owns a ton of ETC.
[2016-09-22 01:39:43] CaptainDean : mjones: :D
[2016-09-22 01:40:06] rapidtrades : I remember a time when all we talked about in this chart was BTC
[2016-09-22 01:40:32] rapidtrades : now it's shitcoin A and shitcoin B
[2016-09-22 01:41:04] mjones : unless you are at the computer for the 2 minutes BTC moves every 1-2 weeks then shitcoins is all we got
[2016-09-22 01:42:17] habibi : 7 minutes*
[2016-09-22 01:45:45] mjones : etc market here is wack. market maker asleep
[2016-09-22 01:45:55] CaptainDean : yep
[2016-09-22 01:46:09] CaptainDean : the gap is stupid at the moment
[2016-09-22 01:50:53] omicron : mjones: on btc cant you use stop orders to enter on big moves
[2016-09-22 02:00:27] mjones : not sure about entering
[2016-09-22 02:00:40] CaptainDean : yeahhhhhh
[2016-09-22 02:00:52] CaptainDean : it's risky, good volume, good support but still unsafe i think
[2016-09-22 02:03:03] CaptainDean : mjones: or maybe i'm just a pussy ! :D
[2016-09-22 02:03:22] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 17 @ 0.02222
[2016-09-22 02:03:22] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 125 @ 0.02222
[2016-09-22 05:06:34] REKT : Liquidated short on `XMR7D`: Buy 160 @ 0.017736
[2016-09-22 06:08:52] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 44 @ 0.02195
[2016-09-22 06:10:07] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 3 @ 0.02187 :punch: :whale:
[2016-09-22 06:10:07] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 220 @ 0.02186
[2016-09-22 06:19:07] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 300 @ 0.02185
[2016-09-22 06:21:53] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 137 @ 0.02181
[2016-09-22 06:21:53] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 1501 @ 0.02179
[2016-09-22 06:21:53] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 300 @ 0.02166
[2016-09-22 06:21:53] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 50 @ 0.02168
[2016-09-22 06:21:53] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 1 @ 0.02159 :punch: :whale:
[2016-09-22 06:48:45] jordanbitfort : ez shakeout
[2016-09-22 10:09:32] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC7D`: Sell 5 @ 0.001920
[2016-09-22 10:09:34] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC7D`: Sell 36 @ 0.001916
[2016-09-22 10:25:25] germanjew : You guys still hosting drinks starting at 7?
[2016-09-22 10:29:56] germanjew : BitMEX_Sam
[2016-09-22 10:53:36] BitMEX_Wally : germanjew: yes, come along!
[2016-09-22 10:54:01] BitMEX_Wally : Shanghai Brewery, 20 Donghu Lu (东湖路20号)
[2016-09-22 10:54:47] germanjew : Great, we'll see you there but will be a little late
[2016-09-22 11:03:35] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 127 @ 0.02192
[2016-09-22 11:12:31] zanza : Winklevoss Twins dumping ?
[2016-09-22 11:13:35] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 3 @ 0.02187 :punch: :whale:
[2016-09-22 11:25:40] rapidtrades : btce just closed my trades for no reason...not margin called or anything
[2016-09-22 11:57:22] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 42 @ 0.02188
[2016-09-22 12:51:32] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETC7D`: Buy 10000 @ 0.002066
[2016-09-22 13:40:20] Susperia : ETH network is forked
[2016-09-22 13:55:08] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 315 @ 0.02110
[2016-09-22 14:02:51] Boontjie : ah that short
[2016-09-22 14:02:56] Boontjie : the feels :)
[2016-09-22 14:56:09] hazir : hey, if i buy Zcash future and i doesn't come out until December what happens to my contract?
[2016-09-22 14:56:27] hazir : (until december 16)
[2016-09-22 14:57:39] hazir : sorry....*it. what if zcash don't get genesised until after December 16? which is the date of the end of the contract?
[2016-09-22 14:58:28] Susperia : ZCash market cap is zero, only idiots buying it now.
[2016-09-22 14:58:59] hazir : ok
[2016-09-22 14:59:06] BitMEX_Sam : hazir: We reserve the right to declare a Market Disruption Event in that case and extend the contract
[2016-09-22 14:59:45] hazir : thank you
[2016-09-22 15:00:57] hazir : i'm new here, are there all kinds of fees on the contract? or is it like holding a regulate coin?
[2016-09-22 15:03:31] BitMEX_Greg : These are futures contracts
[2016-09-22 15:03:42] BitMEX_Greg : The fees page is listed here: https://www.bitmex.com/app/fees
[2016-09-22 15:34:35] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETC7D`: Buy 30 @ 0.002177
[2016-09-22 15:50:07] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETC7D`: Buy 19 @ 0.002251
[2016-09-22 15:58:22] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETHXBT`: Buy 650 @ 0.02156
[2016-09-22 16:16:20] germanjew : It was great meeting some of the BitMEX team, thanks for hosting!
[2016-09-22 16:47:08] QuantFocus : BitMEX_Greg: don't you guys list historical funding rates somewhere on the site? i'm an idiot and can't seem to find them right now
[2016-09-22 16:47:25] BitMEX_Greg : Here you go: https://www.bitmex.com/app/fundingHistory
[2016-09-22 16:47:29] QuantFocus : thanks
[2016-09-22 16:47:33] BitMEX_Greg : Under the "Contracts" tab at the top
[2016-09-22 16:47:43] QuantFocus : shit, first link
[2016-09-22 16:47:51] BitMEX_Greg : haha np
[2016-09-22 16:47:53] QuantFocus : i was looking under the specific contract
[2016-09-22 16:47:56] QuantFocus : thanks again man :)
[2016-09-22 17:05:52] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETHXBT`: Buy 13 @ 0.02178
[2016-09-22 18:53:12] rapidtrades : anyone else got their trades closed on btce? weird shit
[2016-09-22 19:22:31] rapidtrades : well...got my explanation....they say prices hit 1,000 today looool
[2016-09-22 19:22:51] rapidtrades : and he says it so nonchalantly like it's normal
[2016-09-22 19:23:06] rapidtrades : and few mins earlier they crashed to 130
[2016-09-22 19:29:37] Tetsuo : lol
[2016-09-22 19:31:05] habibi : on mt4?
[2016-09-22 19:31:44] rapidtrades : yes
[2016-09-22 19:31:46] Susperia : mt4 was always broken on btc-e
[2016-09-22 19:31:58] rapidtrades : it wasn't 'always broken' u tool
[2016-09-22 19:32:18] rapidtrades : it worked fine until few weeks ago...it was integrated with main exchange
[2016-09-22 19:33:02] rapidtrades : spikes like these didn't happen cos orders got routed to the main...but smth is broken
[2016-09-22 19:34:33] habibi : rapidtrades: just place ur bids/asks low and high to get filled on wicks like that with lot of margin left to not get liquidated
[2016-09-22 19:45:22] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETHXBT`: Buy 14 @ 0.02190
[2016-09-22 20:14:12] RocketScience : more than 50% of ETH has been lent to shorters on polo
[2016-09-22 20:14:18] RocketScience : this might get interesting soon
[2016-09-22 20:16:29] Boontjie : RocketScience: not yet
[2016-09-22 20:47:46] habibi : RocketScience: any exact numbers how much 50% is referring to?
[2016-09-22 20:48:35] RocketScience : 40k available now, max was 120k few days ago.
[2016-09-22 20:49:12] RocketScience : amount lent out could be less than 80k if people stopped offering lending in this volatile times
[2016-09-22 20:51:54] habibi : u think 80k is enough for short panic squeeze?
[2016-09-22 20:52:16] arbitrage001 : eth lending rate is quite low
[2016-09-22 20:53:03] arbitrage001 : normally high rate predict forseeable reversal since funding is expensive
[2016-09-22 20:54:38] RocketScience : true. These shorters can survive up to 0.0265 if they went 2,5x at 0.0210
[2016-09-22 20:57:25] rapidtrades : habibi: u mean place bid/asks? that's a great idea...dunno why I didn't think of that
[2016-09-22 20:57:25] RocketScience : I started high leverage trading here 2 days ago, already got rekt 2 times. Drunk on leverage :D
[2016-09-22 20:57:41] rapidtrades : habibi: oh wait I did and it doesn't work idiot
[2016-09-22 20:57:48] arbitrage001 : seen lots of people come and go here
[2016-09-22 20:57:56] arbitrage001 : especially alt coin traders
[2016-09-22 20:57:56] habibi : rapidtrades: good job, keep playing there :)
[2016-09-22 20:59:54] RocketScience : Are these 1500 orders on ETH from a bot owned by some rich guy?
[2016-09-22 21:00:33] arbitrage001 : likely suspect is sleger
[2016-09-22 21:00:48] arbitrage001 : as a market maker
[2016-09-22 21:04:07] rapidtrades : sleger...I f*cking knew it
[2016-09-22 21:08:22] rapidtrades : u can blame 60% of the shit that happens here on f*cking sleger
[2016-09-22 21:08:55] arbitrage001 : rapidtrades: how so?
[2016-09-22 21:09:39] arbitrage001 : market maker usually only make market, none directional trade
[2016-09-22 21:10:25] rapidtrades : he's too big for this place
[2016-09-22 21:10:50] RocketScience : but you get liquidated based on exchange price breaking your liq. price. I read that in the faqs
[2016-09-22 21:11:18] arbitrage001 : RocketScience: liqudation price is based on mark price
[2016-09-22 21:11:25] arbitrage001 : not market price here
[2016-09-22 21:13:25] arbitrage001 : trading eth is extremely dangerous now
[2016-09-22 21:13:30] arbitrage001 : gap up and down
[2016-09-22 21:13:35] arbitrage001 : on polo
[2016-09-22 21:13:46] RocketScience : yeah. that latest bug wasn't resolved, needs hard fork
[2016-09-22 21:13:57] arbitrage001 : have a feeling something big going to happen
[2016-09-22 21:14:00] rapidtrades : another hard fork? loolll
[2016-09-22 21:14:11] Boontjie : RocketScience: source?
[2016-09-22 21:14:14] habibi : RocketScience: source ?
[2016-09-22 21:14:32] Susperia : They are unable to fix problem, will only add crutches to mitigate it
[2016-09-22 21:14:52] rapidtrades : ETH has the worst developers by far
[2016-09-22 21:14:56] RocketScience : https://blog.ethereum.org/2016/09/22/transaction-spam-attack-next-steps/
[2016-09-22 21:15:21] Boontjie : rapidtrades: best idea though
[2016-09-22 21:15:31] RocketScience : the command that is responsible will get expensive with next HF to prevent these types of attack
[2016-09-22 21:15:42] rapidtrades : is the idea fork until u get it right? @Boontjie
[2016-09-22 21:16:11] RocketScience : The fall to 205 was because of this... Hashrate fell to 1,7 again today
[2016-09-22 21:16:38] rapidtrades : how much is 1.7....like fell from where
[2016-09-22 21:17:23] Susperia : And pools mining empty blocks now, ETH is fucked again like after DAO disaster
[2016-09-22 21:17:24] RocketScience : 5TH to 1.7TH
[2016-09-22 21:18:03] Boontjie : rapidtrades: sure until then it wwont have buttcorn marketcap
[2016-09-22 21:20:35] rapidtrades : hahaha that's great
[2016-09-22 21:20:38] rapidtrades : i hate ETH
[2016-09-22 21:21:36] rapidtrades : f*cking premined presaled spamcoin
[2016-09-22 21:21:45] rapidtrades : PPS
[2016-09-22 21:21:55] rapidtrades : actually FPPS
[2016-09-22 21:24:12] Boontjie : yeah, but the decentralized hosting it has behind it is good
[2016-09-22 21:24:18] Boontjie : But I agree on premine
[2016-09-22 21:24:45] Boontjie : All the fishy smell of get rich quick schemes
[2016-09-22 21:25:21] Boontjie : RocketScience: is that the bitcoin hashrate? Or what is this empty block talk?
[2016-09-22 21:30:13] rapidtrades : they spammed the crap out of reddit for couple of months
[2016-09-22 21:30:43] rapidtrades : right during major bull run
[2016-09-22 21:31:53] Boontjie : rapidtrades: i agree, it worked
[2016-09-22 21:38:17] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETHXBT`: Buy 150 @ 0.02218
[2016-09-22 21:38:40] rapidtrades : still 0 backed and not open https://bnktothefuture.com/pitches/bitfinex
[2016-09-22 21:38:57] rapidtrades : don't get it....why would u rush it if its not ready
[2016-09-22 21:39:16] rapidtrades : and they set a deadline for 30th if u want 1 share per token
[2016-09-22 21:39:26] rapidtrades : it's like they want tokens to crash
[2016-09-22 21:42:52] Boontjie : rapidtrades: they do
[2016-09-22 21:43:18] Boontjie : they keep news to around a week
[2016-09-22 21:43:35] Boontjie : every 7 days like clockwork
[2016-09-22 21:44:48] Boontjie : look at activity just before announcements
[2016-09-22 21:45:02] Boontjie : those executives trade
[2016-09-22 21:45:45] Kahir : hello
[2016-09-22 21:45:53] Kahir : can someone tell me what is kaiko
[2016-09-22 21:46:05] Kahir : the source for price index
[2016-09-22 21:47:22] Boontjie : google kaiko
[2016-09-22 21:52:16] Boontjie : ethblog - "allowing for adjustments similar to what was coordinated today to happen automatically". So next time if attacker will spam network nodes automatically will stop transaction mining?
[2016-09-22 21:53:32] Boontjie : the changes will reduce eth throughput if I understand correctly. mEth will die a little
[2016-09-22 22:20:53] rapidtrades : great btce was trading at premium and after they margined called me its now at discount
[2016-09-22 22:21:20] rapidtrades : don't u love bitcoin companies man
[2016-09-22 23:12:46] zanza : some big dumpuign on BTCE
[2016-09-22 23:12:55] zanza : u got margin called on MT4 rapidtrades?
[2016-09-22 23:13:10] rapidtrades : yeah...
[2016-09-22 23:28:24] sleger : poor rapid :p
[2016-09-22 23:28:42] sleger : he just bought bitcoins at 1k $
[2016-09-22 23:29:02] sleger : well, we also have jung1 short ETH at 0.2050
[2016-09-22 23:32:54] zanza : new Google Allo sucks
[2016-09-22 23:38:41] rapidtrades : sleger: no they liquidated me at 600...spikes instantly retrace and are not trabeable like i said above
[2016-09-22 23:50:20] zanza : you were long or short?'
[2016-09-22 23:50:42] zanza : btce doesn't have much leverage, so you maybe hit a stop ?
[2016-09-22 23:50:58] zanza : seems hard to get liquidatedwithout a big swing
[2016-09-22 23:56:47] rapidtrades : price spiked between 1000 and 130 today...that's ur answer
[2016-09-22 23:57:11] BitMEX_Sam : I don't see that in the charts, when did that happen?
[2016-09-22 23:57:32] rapidtrades : mt4
[2016-09-22 23:58:12] BitMEX_Sam : Ah
[2016-09-22 23:58:22] BitMEX_Sam : The disconnect between the web exchange & mt4 is very strange.
[2016-09-23 00:03:27] zanza : u kidding? wow wtf
[2016-09-23 00:03:34] zanza : thats almost criminal lol
[2016-09-23 00:04:17] zanza : so I wonder what would happen if you had a buy order at 100 limit
[2016-09-23 00:04:26] zanza : (or 130)
[2016-09-23 00:04:27] BitMEX_Sam : Free money, I guess.
[2016-09-23 00:04:36] rapidtrades : BitMEX_Sam: yes...the orderbooks were neve the sasme but previously if u sold on mt4 the order would be routed to main exchange
[2016-09-23 00:04:46] BitMEX_Sam : It's good to keep a few cheeky bids/asks on exchanges that have issues... which is all of them.
[2016-09-23 00:04:47] rapidtrades : never the same *
[2016-09-23 00:05:08] rapidtrades : BitMEX_Sam: like i said, u won't be executed...my shorts got closed at 600
[2016-09-23 00:05:47] BitMEX_Sam : Well, yeah, if it swung up & down it basically shook every margin position & stop out
[2016-09-23 00:05:52] BitMEX_Sam : But people with low bids & high asks got filled
[2016-09-23 00:06:05] rapidtrades : how so?
[2016-09-23 00:06:20] BitMEX_Sam : How else would the price swing so low? If I just had a bid sitting at 150, it would have been filled
[2016-09-23 00:06:21] zanza : did you contact their support rapidtrades? that seems like a big exchange error
[2016-09-23 00:06:29] rapidtrades : zanza: of course
[2016-09-23 00:06:37] rapidtrades : they said ask was over 1000
[2016-09-23 00:06:55] BitMEX_Sam : So did executions actually happen from 130/1000 or did liquidity just totally drop out?
[2016-09-23 00:06:56] zanza : u should make reddit thread
[2016-09-23 00:07:05] zanza : bitcoinamrkets
[2016-09-23 00:07:07] rapidtrades : BitMEX_Sam: it's not a trabeable market, the swings instantly retrace
[2016-09-23 00:07:08] habibi : sue them rapidtrades
[2016-09-23 00:07:26] BitMEX_Sam : Anywhere outside of mt4 to pull that trade history?
[2016-09-23 00:07:27] rapidtrades : u can't sue what you can't see :)
[2016-09-23 00:07:31] sleger : oh the ask was above 1000 so THEY sold YOUR posiiton at a high price hehe
[2016-09-23 00:07:52] rapidtrades : no they sold at 600...weird ass shit
[2016-09-23 00:08:10] habibi : and ur short entry was ?
[2016-09-23 00:08:28] sleger : maybe its because you didnt have enough margin to buy at more than 600
[2016-09-23 00:09:09] rapidtrades : habibi: average was around 590...so it would take a move of 150-200 to margin me at 1/3
[2016-09-23 00:09:21] zanza : if your short was closed at 600, then you didn't lose much then
[2016-09-23 00:09:31] rapidtrades : it's still money...
[2016-09-23 00:09:31] zanza : even though it sucks
[2016-09-23 00:09:46] habibi : rapidtrades: so u got margin called at 600 and all collateral is lost?
[2016-09-23 00:09:57] rapidtrades : they used the 1k price to liquidate ppl but filled me at 600
[2016-09-23 00:10:31] zanza : my FX broker uses BTCE feed for prices on Bitcoin
[2016-09-23 00:10:37] zanza : i don't see any big spikes
[2016-09-23 00:10:52] rapidtrades : zanza: which broker is that
[2016-09-23 00:10:54] zanza : just donw to 584
[2016-09-23 00:11:07] rapidtrades : try the ask price
[2016-09-23 00:11:09] zanza : fxchoice
[2016-09-23 00:11:41] rapidtrades : ok they filtered it....they filtered one of the spikes down to 130
[2016-09-23 00:12:36] rapidtrades : zanza: try btcusd ask
[2016-09-23 00:12:42] rapidtrades : its a different symbol
[2016-09-23 00:13:25] rapidtrades : spike to 1k is there but they filtered the low spike to 130 today
[2016-09-23 00:45:44] laisee : rapidtrades: why would you use a service that has such volatile pricing? or why could you not benefit from it?
[2016-09-23 00:47:12] rapidtrades : you can find my answers above ^^^
[2016-09-23 00:47:39] rapidtrades : i don't plan to use em anymore
[2016-09-23 02:53:05] laisee : rapidtrades: just asking ... sucks if their pricing varies so much because of tech reasons.
[2016-09-23 08:42:21] REKT : Liquidated short on `FCTXBT`: Buy 1 @ 0.005031 :punch: :whale:
[2016-09-23 10:00:07] RocketScience : Boontjie: From yesterday: This is ETH hash rate, which fell on node computing overload attack
[2016-09-23 13:49:42] habibi : BitMEX_Sam: in my position spec rebalance price was changed to liq price?
[2016-09-23 14:26:32] BitMEX_Sam : habibi: That's a bug, thanks.
[2016-09-23 14:28:20] Susperia : Anything in progress to prevent a disaster like on XMR7D a few hours ago?
[2016-09-23 14:29:05] BitMEX_Sam : Actually, that could have been 100x worse if we didn't have a mark pricing system in place - note nobody was liquidated.
[2016-09-23 14:29:34] habibi : Susperia: what happened?
[2016-09-23 14:29:59] Susperia : habibi: just check recent trades
[2016-09-23 14:30:35] BitMEX_Sam : It just swung about 15% due to thin asks, that's about it. Nobody was liquidated
[2016-09-23 14:30:48] BitMEX_Sam : I wouldn't consider that a disaster, some people just bought higher than they should have. Use limit orders
[2016-09-23 14:31:05] habibi : Susperia: just after settlement? looks like it was perfect occasion to short on that guy
[2016-09-23 14:31:17] habibi : just qty seems to been small
[2016-09-23 14:32:07] BitMEX_Sam : Right - looks to me like the contract settled, the book was thin, and someone market ordered
[2016-09-23 14:32:56] habibi : Susperia: so it was not a disaster, it was opportunity
[2016-09-23 14:33:17] Susperia : looks like it, I'd add a guard that you are going to market buy/sell at stupid price
[2016-09-23 14:33:23] BitMEX_Sam : We do have that guard.
[2016-09-23 14:58:27] jung1 : BitMEX_Sam: btw why you using clef insted of google auth?
[2016-09-23 14:58:38] BitMEX_Greg : jung1: We have both
[2016-09-23 14:59:10] BitMEX_Greg : well 2fa, but yeah in addition to Clef
[2016-09-23 14:59:43] jung1 : ok right
[2016-09-23 14:59:44] jung1 : my bad
[2016-09-23 15:00:52] Sqrl : Greg/Sam: How is the Open Interest number calculated for futures? Does a trade where the buyer opens a new long position of one, and the seller opens a new short position of one increase the Open Interest number by 1 or 2?
[2016-09-23 15:01:11] jung1 : https://ico.iconomi.net another succesfull ico. over 5mln usd collected and there are 6 days more
[2016-09-23 15:01:22] BitMEX_Greg : Finding out for you @Sqrl
[2016-09-23 15:01:38] sleger : it's 1
[2016-09-23 15:01:54] sleger : Open Interest 2,014,907
[2016-09-23 15:01:59] sleger : that should answer your question
[2016-09-23 15:02:50] Sqrl : sleger: Hasn't the village you escaped from realised their idiot is missing yet?
[2016-09-23 15:03:24] sleger : cant find your own joke ?
[2016-09-23 15:03:48] sleger : and you dont understand how that open interest answers your question (that you could have found out by yourself should you know how to use a brain)
[2016-09-23 15:04:00] Sqrl : More fun to recycle yours. Although you've used it so many times it's beginning to feel a bit worn out.
[2016-09-23 15:04:26] sleger : twice = so many times ? ok...
[2016-09-23 15:04:47] sleger : coming from someone who asks such stupid questions doesnt mean much anyways
[2016-09-23 15:05:14] Sqrl : /me does the cha-cha...
[2016-09-23 15:06:36] laisee : trollery without Rapid doesn't have the same authentic feel.
[2016-09-23 15:07:42] sleger : thankfully sqrl hasnt been here for long, he probably wont stay too long like most idiots here
[2016-09-23 15:08:29] laisee : idiots passing through, on their way to a more wlecoming village
[2016-09-23 15:09:49] Sqrl : /me does the rhumba...
[2016-09-23 15:11:23] sleger : "me does" -> you chinese ?
[2016-09-23 15:11:32] Sqrl : Do't be racist.
[2016-09-23 15:18:50] sleger : did you at least understand why "Open Interest 2,014,907" answered your question ? @Sqrl
[2016-09-23 15:24:20] laisee : 1 is the lonliest number ....
[2016-09-23 15:26:17] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 300 @ 598.94
[2016-09-23 15:27:21] sleger : if sqrl had 1 extra brain it would feel lonely
[2016-09-23 16:01:44] Rado : So, even alt coins lost volatility
[2016-09-23 16:01:53] Rado : which coin is the hottest right now?
[2016-09-23 16:08:14] BitMEX_Sam : XMR is still kicking pretty well.
[2016-09-23 16:35:55] mjones : xmr pumping
[2016-09-23 16:36:13] mjones : going for 0.01925 double top
[2016-09-23 19:34:01] mjones : ltc making a move
[2016-09-23 22:00:47] Kahir : lool
[2016-09-23 22:02:54] rapidtrades : Kahir: ?
[2016-09-23 22:34:06] Kahir : yes
[2016-09-23 22:38:59] rapidtrades : what's so funny punk?
[2016-09-23 23:10:40] HackedOnBFX : any mod here?
[2016-09-23 23:29:48] BitMEX_Greg : HackedOnBFX: Hi how can i help?
[2016-09-24 00:44:53] mjones : this is the deadest trollbox i've ever seen
[2016-09-24 00:45:27] mjones : xmr going up but i didnt reopen since settlement
[2016-09-24 01:43:22] petermunnings : Interesting announcement: http://www.cmegroup.com/trading/cf-bitcoin-reference-rate.html?utm_source=cmegroup&utm_medium=friendly&utm_campaign=bitcoin
[2016-09-24 01:45:37] omicron : mjones: I agree. I try to add to the discussion, but looks like most users here are bots
[2016-09-24 01:46:05] omicron : wtf gemini goes to the top of the btc_usd with this auction bullshit
[2016-09-24 01:46:38] omicron : shit exchange. im wondering if this volume on gemini is real. who would want to trade using this auction stuff
[2016-09-24 01:47:11] omicron : ok so the rest of you trolls need to contribute now
[2016-09-24 01:54:44] zanza : could be the Winklevoss dumping
[2016-09-24 02:25:29] omicron : right but who is buying?
[2016-09-24 02:25:59] zanza : greater fool ?
[2016-09-24 04:07:35] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 277 @ 0.02173
[2016-09-24 04:10:53] mjones : i think gemini volume is all real
[2016-09-24 04:11:12] mjones : and why would the twins dump
[2016-09-24 04:11:19] mjones : they dont need the money
[2016-09-24 04:11:28] mjones : they have more to gain by getting bitcoin more adopted
[2016-09-24 04:51:28] omicron : mjones: its real, but im trying to understand why you wouldnt just buy limit
[2016-09-24 05:13:51] mjones : yeah who knows
[2016-09-24 05:38:41] omicron : although i dont understand it, i guess we have to congratulate them, its successful
[2016-09-24 06:03:00] Tetsuo : the king and his bride will soon reclaim the cryptothrone, their revenge on unworthy blasphemists will be painful merciless
[2016-09-24 06:03:15] Tetsuo : *and
[2016-09-24 06:44:45] laisee : Tetsuo: Trial by combat!
[2016-09-24 07:26:21] REKT : Liquidated short on `ZECZ16`: Buy 2 @ 0.08745 :punch: :whale:
[2016-09-24 07:26:56] REKT : Liquidated short on `ZECZ16`: Buy 18 @ 0.08954
[2016-09-24 08:07:12] rapidtrades : still $0 backed for buttfinex....when do they panic sell the tokens?
[2016-09-24 08:23:18] Kalman : rapidtrades: holding your hands open?
[2016-09-24 11:02:24] rapidtrades : holy shit bitcoin froze
[2016-09-24 11:35:11] Mm bot : when are you guys opening new 3m BTC contract?
[2016-09-24 13:38:34] messiaen8844 : Any plans for REP here?
[2016-09-24 13:54:29] BitMEX_Wally : messiaen8844: If it's hot we'll list it
[2016-09-24 13:54:46] messiaen8844 : probably people will need to hedge it
[2016-09-24 13:54:57] messiaen8844 : high market cap, will be very volatile
[2016-09-24 14:27:11] Monty : Good evening gents
[2016-09-24 14:30:57] rapidtrades : 1. it's not evening
[2016-09-24 14:31:01] rapidtrades : 2. no gents here
[2016-09-24 14:31:15] BitMEX_Wally : You counted 1 twice
[2016-09-24 14:31:37] Monty : Haha
[2016-09-24 14:33:36] Monty : rapidtrades: If you are not a gent, what are you?
[2016-09-24 14:34:53] rapidtrades : STOP SELLING
[2016-09-24 14:34:55] rapidtrades : NOOOOO
[2016-09-24 14:35:01] rapidtrades : wait im hedged
[2016-09-24 14:36:03] Monty : I'm long
[2016-09-24 14:36:07] Monty : 8 inches
[2016-09-24 14:41:52] rapidtrades : hope develeraging goes live before bitcoin moves
[2016-09-24 14:42:54] Monty : What is deleveraging?
[2016-09-24 14:46:22] no : "BitMEX employs Auto Deleveraging which means that in some rare cases, leveraged positions in profit may be reduced during certain time periods if a liquidated order cannot be executed in the market."
[2016-09-24 14:46:55] no : That is not live yet, they will be moving from DPE to deleveraging in the future sometime
[2016-09-24 15:05:08] Kalman : more BTC traded @ BitMEX than @ Bitfinex in the last 24h, congrats guys
[2016-09-24 15:07:25] Susperia : Kalman: 0 btc traded actually
[2016-09-24 15:08:06] BitMEX_Wally : http://exchangewar.info/#bitmex
[2016-09-24 15:18:28] Rado : very nice
[2016-09-24 15:18:43] Rado : and fees are one of the best
[2016-09-24 15:19:34] Rado : I still don't get how Chinese exchanges have 1 mill BTC volume
[2016-09-24 15:21:38] messiaen8844 : fake wash volume
[2016-09-24 15:21:39] messiaen8844 : 0 fee
[2016-09-24 15:22:38] Rado : how do you fake the volume?
[2016-09-24 15:23:12] messiaen8844 : 0 fees, trade back and forth
[2016-09-24 15:23:29] messiaen8844 : use bots to sweep the market
[2016-09-24 15:24:24] Rado : what's the point?
[2016-09-24 15:24:34] Rado : unless they make money while doing it
[2016-09-24 16:00:55] rullwull : chinese exchange orders match only with their own orders, never match with users orders
[2016-09-24 16:04:12] BitMEX_Sam : It's a pissing contest, essentially, to see who has the top volume.
[2016-09-24 16:04:29] rullwull : they make money on lending liquidity to the users for 0.1% per day and they charge around 0.2% for CNY withdraw
[2016-09-24 16:04:45] rullwull : BTCC has real volumes
[2016-09-24 16:40:39] omicron : rullwull: wow 0.1%/day? thats 36.5%/year
[2016-09-24 16:41:03] omicron : now what happens if they lend to me and I lose the money they lent?
[2016-09-24 16:44:13] sleger : "omicron: rullwull: wow 0.1%/day? thats 36.5%/year" => epic fail, try again
[2016-09-24 17:09:33] omicron : sleger: im obviously uninfomed because i never trade there. i have no idea if the interest is simple, compounded or what. but it seems high
[2016-09-24 17:09:56] sleger : well if its per day that should answer your question
[2016-09-24 17:10:08] sleger : 0.1%/day is not 36.5%/year
[2016-09-24 18:16:08] justinlooking : sleger: help me understand gemini auction plz
[2016-09-24 18:16:35] sleger : whats to understand
[2016-09-24 18:16:57] justinlooking : https://api.gemini.com/v1/auction/btcusd/history
[2016-09-24 18:18:04] justinlooking : the 10 x indicatives...
[2016-09-24 18:18:06] justinlooking : `"highest_bid_price":"600.10","lowest_ask_price":"600.44","auction_price":"599.50"`
[2016-09-24 18:18:30] BitMEX_Sam : That data does seem a little broken at first glance
[2016-09-24 18:19:18] justinlooking : from docs >Lowest ask price from the continuous order book at the time of the auction event, if available.
[2016-09-24 18:20:35] BitMEX_Sam : So it publishes 9 indicative ticks in the 10 minutes before the auction executes.
[2016-09-24 18:20:41] justinlooking : yes
[2016-09-24 18:20:56] BitMEX_Sam : Scrolling down on https://gemini.com/blog/introducing-the-first-ever-daily-bitcoin-auction/ has some nice explanation. But I agree that those indicative ticks seem wrong
[2016-09-24 18:21:12] justinlooking : but surely lowest_ask_price is broken
[2016-09-24 18:21:16] BitMEX_Sam : It may be actually taking the bid/ask from the regular market
[2016-09-24 18:21:30] justinlooking : oh could be
[2016-09-24 18:21:53] BitMEX_Sam : So it's a way of comparing the auction price with how the regular market was trading. Makes sense actually
[2016-09-24 18:23:13] justinlooking : yeh actually... "continuous orderbook" even says it
[2016-09-24 18:23:22] BitMEX_Sam : What is interesting is the quantity.
[2016-09-24 18:23:28] BitMEX_Sam : It appears everyone is placing last-minute orders.
[2016-09-24 18:24:04] times : anybody？
[2016-09-24 18:24:29] times : help me please
[2016-09-24 18:24:42] BitMEX_Sam : What's your question?
[2016-09-24 18:26:05] times : my account had been stolen
[2016-09-24 18:26:18] times : what can i do ?
[2016-09-24 18:26:27] habibi : times: create a new one! :)
[2016-09-24 18:26:28] omicron : you reused a password?
[2016-09-24 18:26:54] BitMEX_Sam : times: Turn on two-factor auth at https://www.bitmex.com/app/account
[2016-09-24 18:27:39] times : Funds had been transferred
[2016-09-24 18:28:09] omicron : so someone transferred funds out of your account? didnt you get an email confirmation
[2016-09-24 18:28:22] omicron : did you click approve?
[2016-09-24 18:29:11] omicron : bitmex should have records of the email going out and if email has been changed recently, right?
[2016-09-24 18:29:24] BitMEX_Sam : omicron: Email addresses can't be changed.
[2016-09-24 18:29:27] BitMEX_Sam : I'm looking into your history now @times
[2016-09-24 18:29:44] times : i hadnt got an email when the funds been transferred
[2016-09-24 18:30:10] BitMEX_Sam : If you didn't receive an email, that likely means your email account has also been compromised, and the attacker deleted or filtered the email before you were able to see it.
[2016-09-24 18:30:21] BitMEX_Sam : I do have records of that email going out.
[2016-09-24 18:30:45] BitMEX_Sam : It must have been received, because a withdrawal cannot be pushed without that email confirmation.
[2016-09-24 18:31:12] omicron : when they click the confirmation, do you log IP?
[2016-09-24 18:31:40] omicron : coz that would help figure if @times clicked it or someone else did
[2016-09-24 18:32:03] BitMEX_Sam : Yes, we do.
[2016-09-24 18:32:11] times : i cant received the confirmation email
[2016-09-24 18:33:44] times : i can make sure my email is safe
[2016-09-24 18:34:24] omicron : i mean, they could have spoofed the IP as well, but if they are obviously different IPs then @times was hacked.
[2016-09-24 18:34:37] BitMEX_Sam : They were different IPs, and judging by our records your email is compromised @times
[2016-09-24 18:34:37] omicron : esp different countries
[2016-09-24 18:34:50] BitMEX_Sam : The user requested a password reset, confirmed it, then went through the account history & withdrew.
[2016-09-24 18:35:02] omicron : fukkk
[2016-09-24 18:35:08] BitMEX_Sam : We can give you more complete records if you would like to email us @times
[2016-09-24 18:35:16] BitMEX_Sam : Please contact us at support@bitmex.com
[2016-09-24 18:35:42] BitMEX_Sam : I highly recommend enabling two-factor on every account you own on every service, as well as changing your passwords.
[2016-09-24 18:35:54] BitMEX_Sam : Please do so on your email address before emailing us.
[2016-09-24 18:36:02] omicron : the question is, does he have malware on his PC, in which case 2FA wont help too much
[2016-09-24 18:36:15] omicron : best to do everything from a clean computer
[2016-09-24 18:36:39] BitMEX_Sam : Yes. That's also a possibility - less likely but at this point I would advise as much caution as you can manage.
[2016-09-24 18:36:59] omicron : and if your account is compromised and emptied, leave it as is for evidence. create a new email, new bitmex account from a clean machine
[2016-09-24 18:38:38] habibi : omicron: why 2fa won't help in case of malwared pc?
[2016-09-24 18:38:53] omicron : there are malware that specifically target 2fa
[2016-09-24 18:39:27] omicron : the way most 2fa is designed, you basically enter 2 passwords, one you remember, one generated by some app/provider and enter it at once
[2016-09-24 18:39:58] omicron : malware simply waits until you have already logged in and then does things through web api
[2016-09-24 18:42:20] habibi : like withdraw? still needs email comfirmation in addition even it will use same 2fa code from google but i guess there is no posibility to use same 2fa code in same minute to login and then withdraw just coz of security reasons?
[2016-09-24 18:42:58] omicron : there is a principle in computer security that if you lose control of the hardware, there is no way to secure anything it has access to
[2016-09-24 18:43:18] omicron : 2FA, clef whatever wont protect you
[2016-09-24 18:44:02] omicron : the closest thing that is secure today is what coinpit does, except if their key was stored in hardware instead of file
[2016-09-24 18:46:30] omicron : many pro traders have a separate trading computer, which is free from porn or any other malware inducing downloads for this very reason
[2016-09-24 18:47:14] omicron : if you have more than 100 BTC for trading, consider investing a small portion of that for a trading computer
[2016-09-24 18:47:51] habibi : eh still didnt get the part where 2fa doesnt protect ur funds from withdrawing as mentioning above
[2016-09-24 18:48:29] habibi : at the end Sam maybe u could implement U2F so we can use trezor for that
[2016-09-24 18:49:19] omicron : U2F from hardware is good, yes
[2016-09-24 18:53:22] omicron : think of it as session hijacking. once your 2fa sets up your session, malware is free to grab the session token and do anything it wants
[2016-09-24 18:54:21] habibi : even then withdrawing is impossible i guess
[2016-09-24 18:55:32] habibi : hijacker can trade against himself on second acc but then again bitmex has options to revert that transactions
[2016-09-24 18:56:14] omicron : anyway, the point for us is to use a clean trading computer, follow the highest security offererd by the site you use
[2016-09-24 18:56:34] omicron : also use a separate email for every bitcoin trading account if possible
[2016-09-24 18:56:58] omicron : dont reuse passwords, of course. staggering number of people reuse passwords
[2016-09-24 18:57:39] Kalman : omicron: nice advice; what about the bitfinex case ?!
[2016-09-24 18:58:38] omicron : Kalman: the problem is that there is a lot of focus on user security. none of these protect against a security breach on server
[2016-09-24 18:58:48] omicron : or an inside job
[2016-09-24 19:00:13] omicron : so this is what has me interested in coinpit, the idea that coins are not in their control, so they cannot be stolen
[2016-09-24 19:00:28] omicron : at least the ones not in a trade