This is a mirror of the original BitMEX trollbox archive that used to be online here.
BitMEX disabled their archive after the DDOS attack so I have decided to make my mirror publicly available.

Well now, a few days after I made this mirror available to the public, the original archive from BitMEX is online again.
But since it is still limited (neutered to the last few hundred messages) I will keep my FULL mirror alive.

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[2016-09-18 02:49:32] dasdfasdf : need to have a hardware wallet, or external wallet doing the move from multisig to margin
[2016-09-18 02:50:02] omicron : heard they gonna support hardware wallets on one of the telegram chats.
[2016-09-18 02:51:29] omicron : their code is open source on github. i dont understand lots of it but they have opensourced more stuff than any other exchange that i know of
[2016-09-18 02:52:29] omicron : https://github.com/coinpit
[2016-09-18 02:57:29] omicron : IIRC on one of the telegram chats they said they plan to open source more as time passes eventually opensourcing almost everything
[2016-09-18 03:03:14] omicron : deribit is another exchange thats interesting. they have options and futures
[2016-09-18 03:04:54] omicron : now i personally dont trade options but sounds like a great niche
[2016-09-18 04:50:07] omicron : 421 users and nobody talking? its the opposite of polo trollbox here
[2016-09-18 05:19:04] omicron : yea, i know btc is chopping. i guess everyone is too busy browsing the web
[2016-09-18 05:38:38] vkvk : imho it's good to have a calm trollbox - not like on polo where 80% of people are just randomly spamming trash like "XYZ up/down/pump/dump/moon in 2h/1d/1w/1y"
[2016-09-18 05:45:03] omicron : oh ya, polo needs a trollbox per coin
[2016-09-18 06:32:29] omicron : also i guess its sleep time for europe
[2016-09-18 06:32:36] omicron : and no usa traders here
[2016-09-18 07:33:14] justinlooking : bitmex: <3 login slider +1111
[2016-09-18 07:34:53] Shana358 : Hello friends how are you?
[2016-09-18 07:35:03] Shana358 : i am new on this site and i am from pakistan
[2016-09-18 07:43:27] BitMEX_Wally : Shana358: Welcome to BitMEX
[2016-09-18 07:43:48] Shana358 : Thanks dear...
[2016-09-18 07:44:10] Shana358 : I am new and so please guide me little bit
[2016-09-18 07:45:07] BitMEX_Wally : Shana358: We have an overview guide here, please let me know if you have any questions: https://www.bitmex.com/app/tradingOverview
[2016-09-18 07:45:50] Shana358 : Thanks dear if you have any youtube video about bitmex learning then send me.
[2016-09-18 07:46:44] BitMEX_Wally : There is a getting started video her: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSh2bM3UP04
[2016-09-18 07:50:16] omicron : Shana358: are there a lot of crypto traders in pakistan?
[2016-09-18 07:50:50] omicron : India could be the next big market. Im guessing pakistan is similar
[2016-09-18 07:52:54] Shana358 : yes dear here are many traders.
[2016-09-18 07:53:03] Shana358 : we are trading on our own currency
[2016-09-18 07:53:13] Shana358 : but i trade on different currencies
[2016-09-18 08:04:41] justinlooking : eth rekt?
[2016-09-18 08:06:28] jordanbitfort : nice 666 buy on eth
[2016-09-18 08:07:35] REKT : Liquidated long on `XMR7D`: Sell 150 @ 0.015337
[2016-09-18 08:11:03] omicron : can someone tell me how okcoin has 500x volume of bitmex
[2016-09-18 08:11:32] omicron : do they combine spot volume under futures?
[2016-09-18 08:26:43] BitMEX_Wally : omicron: Yes it is their spot market (with 0% fees) that has unbelievably high volume
[2016-09-18 08:32:11] omicron : "unbelievably" is quite the right word
[2016-09-18 08:32:58] omicron : so they convert futures into spot?
[2016-09-18 08:33:12] omicron : doesnt make sense since they have expiry like traditional futures
[2016-09-18 08:34:06] omicron : Also how do they make any money from 0% fee? do they charge for futures?
[2016-09-18 08:41:09] omicron : okc pumping. why is bitmex not reacting
[2016-09-18 08:42:04] omicron : come on guys buy buy buy
[2016-09-18 08:42:07] Kalman : omicron: sleger doesn't arb anymor
[2016-09-18 08:42:31] Kalman : or only with 10% ;)
[2016-09-18 08:42:43] omicron : ya, sleger was a whale, huh?
[2016-09-18 08:43:12] Kalman : maybe he is in church now, its Sunday
[2016-09-18 08:43:52] omicron : ya i heard he got rekt when bitmex changed the contract with short notice
[2016-09-18 08:44:04] omicron : maybe he just does not have money anymore
[2016-09-18 08:59:54] BitMEX_Wally : omicron: The 24 hour volume for OKC Bitcoin/USD futures is currently 1,701 Bitcoin
[2016-09-18 09:00:06] BitMEX_Wally : Whereas it is 595 Bitcoin on BitMEX
[2016-09-18 09:01:36] BitMEX_Wally : https://exchangewar.info/coinprice?BTC_USD
[2016-09-18 09:02:21] REKT : Liquidated long on `FCTXBT`: Sell 204 @ 0.005532
[2016-09-18 09:04:22] omicron : BitMEX_Wally: thanks. they confused me, but you cleared it up
[2016-09-18 09:05:50] omicron : on their trading app it says things like 100K BTC
[2016-09-18 09:05:58] omicron : quite hard to believe
[2016-09-18 09:10:02] BitMEX_Wally : http://www.bitcoinfuturesguide.com/bitcoin-blog/arthur-hayes-of-bitmex-chinese-exchanges-are-operating-as-shadow-banks
[2016-09-18 09:11:07] donchard : do you mean they have fake volumes
[2016-09-18 09:11:15] omicron : and how come 90% of the volume is mid-spread
[2016-09-18 09:12:19] BitMEX_Wally : Yeah all the Chinese exchanges fake volume
[2016-09-18 09:12:31] BitMEX_Wally : More interest is how they make money on 0% fees...
[2016-09-18 09:13:21] kurkudu : BitMEX_Wally: is bitmex 24H volume calculaded with the leverage?
[2016-09-18 09:13:38] kurkudu : BTW BTCC has a real CNY volumes
[2016-09-18 09:13:45] omicron : so i see. Arthur thinks that they are investing in high risk products. great so they will collapse when they make a mistake and bitmex will be there
[2016-09-18 09:13:53] omicron : to take over with chinese i18n
[2016-09-18 09:14:06] BitMEX_Wally : We report the notional value of all trades, the amount of leverage the buyer or seller might be using is irrelevant
[2016-09-18 09:14:53] BitMEX_Wally : kurkudu: Yes, of all the Chinese exchanges BTCC is the one I trust
[2016-09-18 09:15:21] habibi : most of people there play on leverage, daily interest is nice payout for them even without fees
[2016-09-18 09:15:31] habibi : trade fees*
[2016-09-18 09:16:11] kurkudu : also chinese exchanges charge almost 1% for CNY withdraw
[2016-09-18 09:17:07] omicron : so 0% chinese sites are gonna implode ... jus t a matter of time
[2016-09-18 09:17:47] omicron : i see. the i18n strategy is making a lot of sense now
[2016-09-18 09:19:48] kurkudu : I like to trade on CNY spot, in fact there is a highest liquidity, however their fake trdaes never match with the real ones
[2016-09-18 09:26:29] kurkudu : and unfortuanately bitmex volumese are almost zero, so 595 BTC/50xleverage = 10 BTC in 24 hours
[2016-09-18 09:31:17] BitMEX_Wally : kurkudu: It's 595 Bitcoin, the amount of leverage is irrelevant
[2016-09-18 09:31:28] BitMEX_Wally : And you don't know if the counterparties were using 50x or 1x
[2016-09-18 09:40:02] kurkudu : BitMEX_Wally: i made a rough estimation, but no matter what is the leverage, your volumes are incredibely low
[2016-09-18 09:41:59] BitMEX_Wally : XBTUSD is only 40% of our volume at the moment, people are trading ETH and XMR etc
[2016-09-18 09:43:32] BitMEX_Wally : We're the second largest XMR exchange after Poloniex
[2016-09-18 09:48:44] kurkudu : Who cares about all these shitcoins from polo? please undesrtand me right, i like you platform, your implementaion is great, but no volumes to trade.
[2016-09-18 09:49:24] Susperia : XMR is not a shitcoin you fucking moron
[2016-09-18 09:49:25] kurkudu : i would be glad to see gold/BTC pair instead of shitcoins from polo
[2016-09-18 09:49:42] zanza : lol
[2016-09-18 09:50:13] kurkudu : or oil/btc
[2016-09-18 09:50:29] Susperia : I am in to remove LTC, LISK, Zcash scam.
[2016-09-18 09:50:41] Susperia : ah and also Fucktom
[2016-09-18 09:50:51] Susperia : FCT I meant
[2016-09-18 09:58:17] REKT : Liquidated short on `ZECZ16`: Buy 3 @ 0.08387 :punch: :whale:
[2016-09-18 09:58:17] REKT : Liquidated short on `ZECZ16`: Buy 1 @ 0.08247 :punch: :whale:
[2016-09-18 10:04:42] mmarwaha : hi guys. how do i place a simple limit sell order with stop loss price above my entry
[2016-09-18 10:19:34] BitMEX_Wally : mmarwaha: That sounds like 2 different orders.
[2016-09-18 10:19:42] BitMEX_Wally : You can place a Limit order to sell at your target exit price
[2016-09-18 10:19:54] BitMEX_Wally : And then place a Stop Market order to sell at your stop loss price
[2016-09-18 10:20:24] mmarwaha : you mean stop market buy order @BitMEX_Wally right?
[2016-09-18 10:20:32] BitMEX_Wally : Are you long or short?
[2016-09-18 10:21:08] mmarwaha : i want to place a short order above current market price and then a stop loss to that above my short order
[2016-09-18 10:21:37] BitMEX_Wally : Then place a limit to sell to enter, and then place a stop market to buy
[2016-09-18 10:21:39] habibi : limit order + stop limit
[2016-09-18 10:21:49] mmarwaha : thanks guys
[2016-09-18 10:31:28] mmarwaha : BitMEX_Wally: so basically if i want to take a short position with stop loss and take profit, i will have to place 3 different orders right?
[2016-09-18 10:32:08] BitMEX_Wally : Yes
[2016-09-18 10:32:32] BitMEX_Wally : Yes. The API supports OTO and OCO orders, but they're not available on the frontend yet. Once we they are you can submit all 3 orders in one go and they'll be linked
[2016-09-18 11:00:35] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 367 @ 0.02115
[2016-09-18 11:03:22] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 1 @ 0.02111 :punch: :whale:
[2016-09-18 12:16:51] Velancry : better start shorting XBT :D
[2016-09-18 12:19:27] Teddy76 : no because we're sunday, and sunday is bullish for XBT ;)
[2016-09-18 12:21:16] Velancry : YEP thats exactly why we go down now :D
[2016-09-18 12:21:20] Velancry : we just went up
[2016-09-18 12:26:18] Susperia : BTC is dead after Finex rekt
[2016-09-18 12:27:30] Susperia : Used only to play with alts. Even narcos using XMR now
[2016-09-18 12:27:32] Teddy76 : lol, feel free to short it mate, you're on the right place to do it
[2016-09-18 12:31:28] habibi : Susperia: they don't actually but if they would they still need to buy btc at the first place
[2016-09-18 12:33:46] rullwull : Susperia: if BTC is dead than all crypto is dead. don't be a full to invest in shitcoins, touch alts only to trade during pumps/dumps
[2016-09-18 12:35:24] Kalman : Susperia: https://99bitcoins.com/bitcoinobituaries/
[2016-09-18 12:35:50] Teddy76 : XMR is too volatile right now to be used on DNM
[2016-09-18 12:45:41] zanza : do DNM's give options for Monero and Bitcoin ?
[2016-09-18 12:49:51] Teddy76 : yes, the biggest one DNM allow it
[2016-09-18 12:52:40] zanza : what is the biggest one ?
[2016-09-18 12:53:13] Teddy76 : but BTC is still the most used, because accepted by all sellers, whereas XMR is just accepted by few sellers
[2016-09-18 12:53:21] Teddy76 : AlphaBay
[2016-09-18 13:09:49] khessabi2 : BitMEX_Wally: Hi , I want to withdraw my btc a.s.ap
[2016-09-18 13:11:19] BitMEX_Wally : khessabi2: We've just processed withdrawals, so if yours was requested and confirmed before 13:00 UTC it has just been broadcast
[2016-09-18 13:12:36] khessabi2 : BitMEX_Wally: I confirmed it before 13 but cancel it again, but now change my mind , please help me I need it right now
[2016-09-18 13:13:08] khessabi2 : BitMEX_Wally: confirmed it 20min ago again
[2016-09-18 13:13:40] BitMEX_Wally : I see a withdrawal from you that was confirmed 10 minutes ago at 13:03:29 UTC
[2016-09-18 13:13:48] BitMEX_Wally : Which unfortunately missed this batch
[2016-09-18 13:20:53] khessabi2 : BitMEX_Wally: ok!!
[2016-09-18 14:45:12] +1 : Hope BTC will be bullish tomorrow
[2016-09-18 14:45:29] +1 : Is BitMEX in China already?
[2016-09-18 14:48:07] +1 : People are so focused that they don't chat anymore. LOL.
[2016-09-18 14:49:19] J_rondo : Hey guys
[2016-09-18 14:49:21] J_rondo : Anyone around?
[2016-09-18 14:49:50] J_rondo : I'm interested in discussing ZEC and XMR
[2016-09-18 14:51:29] BitMEX_Sam : +1: Chinese support is about ready, we're going to start marketing end of the month
[2016-09-18 14:52:26] J_rondo : Hey @BitMEX_Sam, why is polo able to support US users and you guys aren't?
[2016-09-18 14:53:05] BitMEX_Sam : J_rondo: That is the legal advice we have received given the type of products we offer. We believe that other exchanges do so at their own peril.
[2016-09-18 14:53:35] J_rondo : Oh wow that's fascinating, maybe I should move money out of polo, lol
[2016-09-18 14:54:27] J_rondo : BitMEX doesn't do KYC on it's users though, does that cause any of the same perils for you guys?
[2016-09-18 14:54:58] +1 : That's good news Sam. If Chinese join the market we will see more active trades and volume.
[2016-09-18 14:55:04] BitMEX_Sam : Given our products and reach, we are not required to.
[2016-09-18 14:55:22] BitMEX_Wally : Specifically the futures we offer require us to be registered with the CFTC if we want to offer them to US citizens
[2016-09-18 14:55:32] J_rondo : Ahhh
[2016-09-18 14:56:11] J_rondo : What about your products means you guys don't require KYC? Sorry for the questions, I'm just new to cryptotrading and looking for a safe exchange/trading platform to use.
[2016-09-18 14:56:24] BitMEX_Wally : We don't require KYC
[2016-09-18 14:56:31] BitMEX_Wally : Just an email address
[2016-09-18 14:56:38] J_rondo : Most of my former trading was in prop trading for european equities, so it's a whole new world
[2016-09-18 14:56:45] J_rondo : That's awesome
[2016-09-18 15:07:47] hedgehog0223 : please someone help me
[2016-09-18 15:08:04] habibi : hedgehog0223: i am sending units over ur location, help inc
[2016-09-18 15:08:24] hedgehog0223 : how to make the blue moving average indicator on my chart dissapear?
[2016-09-18 15:09:07] hedgehog0223 : is there a way to turn it off?
[2016-09-18 15:10:09] BitMEX_Sam : hedgehog0223: Fullscreen the chart, you should see indicators listed on the top left
[2016-09-18 15:10:14] habibi : right click - remove -remove all indicators
[2016-09-18 15:11:39] hedgehog0223 : thank you!
[2016-09-18 15:18:52] intergrals : Is funding amount = funding rate *leverage %?
[2016-09-18 15:22:47] habibi : funding = order value*rate will be easier
[2016-09-18 15:40:19] intergrals : Thanks!
[2016-09-18 16:23:01] Kra : hi
[2016-09-18 16:23:29] Kra : why i have entry price of BTC long 607 and market price is 608 but i still see UPNL loss?
[2016-09-18 16:23:53] Kra : ok nothing osrry
[2016-09-18 16:23:55] Kra : my fault
[2016-09-18 16:29:01] BitMEX_Greg : Kra: No worries. let us know if anything else.
[2016-09-18 16:36:24] zanza : Can't belive BitFinex gained back 30% of their precrash market share already
[2016-09-18 16:36:41] zanza : thats gotta be a Darwin award winner
[2016-09-18 16:37:38] arbitrage001 : zanza: there is no alternative
[2016-09-18 16:37:53] arbitrage001 : on the margin and lending part
[2016-09-18 16:38:26] arbitrage001 : other exchanges apparently are not interested in meeting market demand
[2016-09-18 17:41:53] ScottJ : BitMEX_Greg: have you guys had time to look at IOTA yet?
[2016-09-18 18:06:10] dasdfasdf : Is hardware wallet support coming?
[2016-09-18 18:07:52] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 1484 @ 0.02095
[2016-09-18 18:08:50] BitMEX_Sam : What kind of hardware wallet support are you looking for? You can certainly send us Bitcoin from any wallet
[2016-09-18 18:50:22] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 150 @ 0.02078
[2016-09-18 18:50:22] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 18 @ 0.02078
[2016-09-18 18:52:52] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 1042 @ 0.02074
[2016-09-18 18:53:52] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 30 @ 0.02071
[2016-09-18 18:53:52] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 417 @ 0.02071
[2016-09-18 18:55:35] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 1619 @ 0.02057
[2016-09-18 19:05:05] mjones : devcon bulls getting rekt
[2016-09-18 19:05:10] mjones : xmr http://i.imgur.com/Dz3MmGy.png
[2016-09-18 19:07:07] mjones : guessing maybe 0.016 breaks and take off as shorts close and people get back into XMR
[2016-09-18 19:07:53] +1 : BTC is going down again?
[2016-09-18 19:08:52] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 32 @ 0.02032
[2016-09-18 19:08:52] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 1 @ 0.02038 :punch: :whale:
[2016-09-18 19:10:02] mjones : yeah btc down $2 from the most recent high
[2016-09-18 19:10:35] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 262 @ 0.02022
[2016-09-18 19:12:35] +1 : Who knows what will happen? LOL
[2016-09-18 19:14:35] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 144 @ 0.01992
[2016-09-18 19:17:35] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETHXBT`: Buy 150 @ 0.02016
[2016-09-18 19:17:45] mjones : probably the exchange owners and who ever pays money to get inside info
[2016-09-18 19:18:50] mjones : but xmr looks like a well controlled dump with very low volume right now
[2016-09-18 19:19:29] +1 : Hmm.. Interesting.
[2016-09-18 19:22:55] mjones : bigger with volume line http://i.imgur.com/sBrPY82.png
[2016-09-18 19:24:05] mjones : i should have longed and left it at 0.0145 here
[2016-09-18 19:24:47] mjones : especially if btc continues to be boring.
[2016-09-18 19:24:51] mjones : ETH big bounce
[2016-09-18 19:28:09] +1 : Let bygones be bygones :)
[2016-09-18 19:37:35] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 326 @ 0.02008
[2016-09-18 19:44:35] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 1005 @ 0.01982
[2016-09-18 19:44:36] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 340 @ 0.01983
[2016-09-18 20:00:58] Tetsuo : https://twitter.com/rfikki/status/777593959228985344
[2016-09-18 20:03:11] mjones : anyone longing cheap eth
[2016-09-18 20:06:20] arbitrage001 : cheap in what way?
[2016-09-18 20:06:38] arbitrage001 : cheaper than an hour ago? a month ago?
[2016-09-18 20:31:20] mjones : cheap as in it was heading towards 0.022 and now you can buy for 0.02
[2016-09-18 20:34:29] migz : Nah, it was all anticipation. =) Too many coins + POS = forever bear trend.
[2016-09-18 20:37:46] arbitrage001 : must be on your way to become wealthy person, since you can tell the future price
[2016-09-18 21:02:56] jung1 : hello
[2016-09-18 21:03:34] jung1 : Trollbox protip: go short on eth
[2016-09-18 21:03:35] jung1 : https://www.reddit.com/r/ethereum/comments/53dlwl/ethermine_currently_under_dos_attack/?st=it91ue0x&sh=932885b3
[2016-09-18 21:16:21] sleger : you should read a bit more
[2016-09-18 21:20:04] sleger : polo price was 0.02050 when he said that for future reference
[2016-09-18 21:31:23] jung1 : imo: go short
[2016-09-18 21:35:51] sleger : let us know when you cut your virtual short
[2016-09-18 21:36:55] jung1 : ok
[2016-09-18 21:37:17] arbitrage001 : need to clost my short position
[2016-09-18 21:37:27] arbitrage001 : next funding rate getting ridiculous
[2016-09-18 21:40:12] jordanbitfort : you have less than 4 hours to close that short, better find an exit point. this whole dip is manipulation to short squeeze during dev con
[2016-09-18 21:41:27] jung1 : you think so that its some kind of inside job?
[2016-09-18 21:46:17] arbitrage001 : dont think it is inside job, just the way market react to the rules set up here
[2016-09-18 21:47:09] arbitrage001 : opps, misread
[2016-09-18 21:47:52] jung1 : imo we will go below 02
[2016-09-18 21:48:30] arbitrage001 : jung1: already did
[2016-09-18 21:48:47] arbitrage001 : have a limit buy order at 0.1945
[2016-09-18 21:48:51] arbitrage001 : was partially filled
[2016-09-18 21:49:01] jung1 : nice
[2016-09-18 21:49:07] jung1 : well
[2016-09-18 21:49:09] jung1 : will see
[2016-09-18 22:00:20] aethlios : ethereum client dead??
[2016-09-18 22:02:04] jordanbitfort : the old Geth client is having difficulties. the new Parity client is just fine. This is great because it incentivizes a switch to newer and better tech
[2016-09-18 22:13:03] cryptobull : it's not great if you got mcalled on that dump tho
[2016-09-18 22:17:44] jordanbitfort : good thing i closed my long at .0214 yesterday haha.
[2016-09-18 22:42:12] sleger : at the exact top you must be clairvoyant
[2016-09-18 22:50:51] jordanbitfort : just saw 8 green hourly candles in a row, pretty clear time for a pull back
[2016-09-18 23:16:51] jung1 : told ya
[2016-09-18 23:21:07] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 24 @ 0.01990
[2016-09-18 23:22:52] sleger : jung1: so you're cutting your short now ?
[2016-09-18 23:23:33] jung1 : will wait a bit
[2016-09-18 23:23:43] jung1 : im greedy
[2016-09-18 23:36:35] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETHXBT`: Buy 268 @ 0.02011
[2016-09-18 23:38:23] jordanbitfort : RIP eth shorts. the best dev team in the world has already identified a fix for the problem
[2016-09-18 23:42:17] intergrals : Ripped
[2016-09-19 00:19:22] mjones : xmr breaking out of the beartrend
[2016-09-19 00:20:36] jordanbitfort : second giant XMR candle on no volume today, last one retraced instantly.
[2016-09-19 00:44:23] kdeath : anticipation is palpable
[2016-09-19 00:44:43] kdeath : Eth devcon2 abt 15 min away.
[2016-09-19 00:47:09] kdeath : 60+btc support at >0.02046
[2016-09-19 00:48:04] kdeath : get in while you can #fomobutnofomo
[2016-09-19 01:04:29] jordanbitfort : better close those shorts before vitalik hits the stage. the collective nerdgasm will propel eth to new heights.
[2016-09-19 01:05:02] kdeath : jordanbitfort: lol, all hail lord buterin
[2016-09-19 01:07:43] kdeath : and away we go...
[2016-09-19 01:08:16] kdeath : massive buys at 2060+ rolling in
[2016-09-19 01:33:12] kdeath : BitMEX_Sam: seeing some strange behavior in my unreaised pnl for ethbxt - ROE% decreasing as spot pice increses
[2016-09-19 01:33:26] rapidtrades : noone cares death
[2016-09-19 01:34:18] kdeath : as in bitmex support doesn't care?
[2016-09-19 01:34:42] jordanbitfort : mines working fine, i'm up to 92% ROE from 1 hour ago
[2016-09-19 01:40:04] XMRer : this place is manipulated. BTC is going down. But XBT here is going up LOL
[2016-09-19 01:41:00] habibi : where btc is going down?
[2016-09-19 01:41:04] BitMEX_Wally : kdeath: ROE (return on equity) is your unrealised PNL (%) multiplied by your current leverage. So if you adjust your leverage this number will change
[2016-09-19 01:42:55] XMRer : btc is 607 606 at most places and its 609 and going up here. lol
[2016-09-19 01:43:43] XMRer : this place is garbage. no volume just a bunch of fake bullshit and only 1 time a day withdrawal
[2016-09-19 01:43:59] BitMEX_Wally : XMRer: That does not mean there is manipulation, it just means there is more demand to go long with leverage at the moment
[2016-09-19 01:44:19] XMRer : bullshit. There is no one hear trading
[2016-09-19 01:44:23] XMRer : its manipulation
[2016-09-19 01:44:38] rapidtrades : btce is at 610 too as is most of china
[2016-09-19 01:44:42] BitMEX_Wally : I see lots of bids in the `XBTUSD` order book at 608
[2016-09-19 01:44:48] XMRer : PEOPLE BETTER BE WARN AND STAY AWAY FROM HERE!
[2016-09-19 01:44:56] rapidtrades : ur an idiot
[2016-09-19 01:45:34] habibi : XMRer: at finex its at 614
[2016-09-19 01:45:35] jose : do we really need to see what that guy says ? a mute button/ command would be nice
[2016-09-19 01:45:40] habibi : at btce 610
[2016-09-19 01:45:45] rapidtrades : habibi: noone cares where its at on buttfinex
[2016-09-19 01:45:47] habibi : stamp almost 609
[2016-09-19 01:46:09] habibi : rapidtrades: did u receive ur prize already btw?
[2016-09-19 01:46:17] rapidtrades : NO
[2016-09-19 01:46:48] habibi : k,congratz anyway, its unofficial but i guess u deserve it
[2016-09-19 01:47:41] CaptainDean : It's like the guy hating a restaurant and he keeps comming
[2016-09-19 01:50:31] rapidtrades : coming
[2016-09-19 01:50:33] rapidtrades : stupid
[2016-09-19 01:50:43] CaptainDean : yeah thanks
[2016-09-19 01:50:52] rapidtrades : jezz im in a bad mood
[2016-09-19 01:50:53] CaptainDean : coming* just for you Rapid
[2016-09-19 01:51:22] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETHXBT`: Buy 1319 @ 0.02080
[2016-09-19 01:51:23] rapidtrades : whenever i read zane's posts i fume inside
[2016-09-19 01:51:27] CaptainDean : rapidtrades: you need to start smoking weed, it'll calm down you
[2016-09-19 01:52:36] rapidtrades : funny how he didn't reply to lockhedge post https://www.reddit.com/r/BitcoinMarkets/comments/532bph/did_bitfinex_forget_to_mention_their_assets/
[2016-09-19 01:53:56] rapidtrades : https://www.okcoin.com/t-323.html
[2016-09-19 01:54:03] rapidtrades : ^^^ read it and weep buttfinex
[2016-09-19 01:54:19] rapidtrades : okc realizing their volume is as fake as theirs
[2016-09-19 01:55:38] rapidtrades : oh....link is here https://www.reddit.com/r/BitcoinMarkets/comments/53ape1/daily_discussion_sunday_september_18_2016/d7rof3a
[2016-09-19 01:55:52] CaptainDean : wow, i'm glad they removed them
[2016-09-19 01:56:32] CaptainDean : isn't a small victory for you ?
[2016-09-19 01:56:56] habibi : CaptainDean, u ruinedrapidtrades's monologue part 350
[2016-09-19 01:57:12] rapidtrades : yeah sure...i was saying how this last rally was caused by buttfinex @CaptainDean
[2016-09-19 01:57:45] rapidtrades : hopefully this will translate into less bots using the price as reference
[2016-09-19 01:58:52] rapidtrades : if smone can tell faked volume is okc..u know what im saying
[2016-09-19 02:02:53] kdeath : BitMEX_Wally: oops miscalculated the impact of adjusting leverage. thanks
[2016-09-19 02:06:05] rapidtrades : i feel a bit better after reading that...mood improved
[2016-09-19 02:07:41] rapidtrades : man ETH sure does like to f*ck up
[2016-09-19 02:07:43] CaptainDean : W on ETC ... are we going down now ?%
[2016-09-19 02:08:18] rapidtrades : first that DAO thing, then the failed fork now this
[2016-09-19 02:08:48] rapidtrades : it's like retard central over there
[2016-09-19 02:08:55] CaptainDean : :P
[2016-09-19 02:09:03] rapidtrades : is ETC affected?
[2016-09-19 02:09:20] CaptainDean : dunno
[2016-09-19 02:10:04] rapidtrades : buttfinex says their ETC deposits work now but not ETH
[2016-09-19 02:10:13] rapidtrades : ETC developers > ETH developers
[2016-09-19 02:10:47] CaptainDean : i was sure ETH was up because they fixed it
[2016-09-19 02:11:13] rapidtrades : did they fix it? maybe its just buttfinex
[2016-09-19 02:13:10] CaptainDean : i can't confirm it
[2016-09-19 02:13:33] rapidtrades : well this is interesting https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/539gze/forensic_bitcoin_cracking_someones_tried_over_500/d7s94z9
[2016-09-19 02:14:02] CaptainDean : i think it is still not fixed
[2016-09-19 02:14:24] rapidtrades : good
[2016-09-19 02:16:35] rapidtrades : https://www.reddit.com/r/ethereum/comments/53ezui/geth_fix_is_here/
[2016-09-19 02:19:06] rapidtrades : looks like ETC was not affected
[2016-09-19 02:19:15] rapidtrades : prolly why its rallied
[2016-09-19 02:30:37] Susperia : lol idiots are don't know that eth just use parity over geth. Now geth is fixed. Who cares... idiots will be idiots, the blind faith of ETC clowns are funny, they made hacker a millionaire
[2016-09-19 02:31:08] Susperia : and now think that etc is better because not affected by geth bug
[2016-09-19 02:35:01] rapidtrades : k
[2016-09-19 02:36:15] Susperia : both eth and etc are shit tho
[2016-09-19 02:36:17] rapidtrades : Susperia: thank you for your stupid opinion
[2016-09-19 02:36:37] Susperia : the only supid opinion is yours here, moron
[2016-09-19 02:36:41] rapidtrades : I'll add it to the pile of worthless opinions i read here
[2016-09-19 02:37:06] rapidtrades : which is the size of mt Kilimanjaro at this point
[2016-09-19 02:37:08] kdeath : is it possible that the whole geth bug situation was a play to instill confidence in the ability of eth devs to rapidly address issues?
[2016-09-19 02:37:25] rapidtrades : no
[2016-09-19 02:37:29] jordanbitfort : no
[2016-09-19 02:37:32] kdeath : and allow the perpetrators to load up on discounted eth prior to devcon
[2016-09-19 02:37:52] rapidtrades : these are the guys doing an audit on buttfinex
[2016-09-19 02:38:01] rapidtrades : what a world we live in man
[2016-09-19 02:38:04] CaptainDean : rapidtrades: hahhaha
[2016-09-19 02:39:13] Susperia : lol that moron rapid, he demonstrated total ignorance on eth, etc, zcash.. what else? bitmex must add a futures on sewage and he will buy it
[2016-09-19 02:39:32] kdeath : so we are to believe that the eth devs found out abt of the bug issue, developed and implemented an effective hotfix all in a matter of 2-3 hours
[2016-09-19 02:40:17] kdeath : do any of you have a b/g in dev?
[2016-09-19 02:40:38] Susperia : what is b/g?
[2016-09-19 02:40:43] kdeath : background
[2016-09-19 02:40:47] Susperia : yes
[2016-09-19 02:41:06] kdeath : that is some next level bugfix no?
[2016-09-19 02:41:25] rapidtrades : the only thing u have a background in cheap frills and popping pills @Susperia
[2016-09-19 02:41:26] Susperia : next level? Just a bugfix lol.
[2016-09-19 02:41:52] kdeath : errr it wasn't just a simple bugfix
[2016-09-19 02:41:53] Susperia : idiots in crypto just think that coin devs are wizards and uber people. it is not.
[2016-09-19 02:42:16] Susperia : Yes it was a bugfix from people who can use profiler lol. Nothing big here.
[2016-09-19 02:43:28] Susperia : rapidtrades: hey you clown, I remember your words that zcash gets a security of bitcoin network. So shut the fuck up ok? We all know that you are just an ignorant.
[2016-09-19 02:44:20] habibi : rapidtrades: this is the moment u should counter attack wit some insult on his mother or sth
[2016-09-19 02:44:42] kdeath : I think you are underplaying the significance of the rapid response/resolution. It is not trivial to develop/test/release hotfixes under pressure. Either way, I see it as a testament to the strength of the eth dev.
[2016-09-19 02:45:14] kdeath : OR they rushed it out and there will be further issues before long.
[2016-09-19 02:45:52] Susperia : kdeath: your speculations makes me cry lol, go try to understand what that hotfix is consist of before posting your ignorant bs here
[2016-09-19 02:46:07] kdeath : kk
[2016-09-19 02:46:37] rapidtrades : Susperia: I try not to learn too much
[2016-09-19 02:46:54] rapidtrades : I find that it interferes with making money
[2016-09-19 02:47:06] Susperia : ahahah
[2016-09-19 02:47:43] Susperia : I regret I can't ignore bottom feeders like you lol, admin, please add ignore button
[2016-09-19 02:48:32] Susperia : it's just annoying to read bs of the ignorants everywhere, don't turn this box into poloniex
[2016-09-19 02:48:53] CaptainDean : then maybe you're too emotional for trading ? (I'm just trollboxing)
[2016-09-19 02:48:58] Susperia : rapidtrades: go find a job, mommy's moneymaker
[2016-09-19 02:49:09] rapidtrades : Susperia: u know when u have a great idea but then u say it out loud and u realize how retarded u sound?
[2016-09-19 02:49:39] rapidtrades : now instead of my thought there's you
[2016-09-19 02:49:50] rapidtrades : saying stupid shit so I don't have to
[2016-09-19 02:49:59] Susperia : tfu ok? Post your moronic bs to someone else
[2016-09-19 05:30:22] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETHXBT`: Buy 2160 @ 0.02101
[2016-09-19 06:06:04] rapidtrades : time for this little birdie to drop
[2016-09-19 06:15:24] mwalshe99 : whats with the liquidity on here??
[2016-09-19 06:15:32] mwalshe99 : used to be allot better
[2016-09-19 06:19:40] laisee : everyone happy today?
[2016-09-19 06:30:42] rapidtrades : why would anyone be happy?
[2016-09-19 06:32:20] +1 : happy--always
[2016-09-19 06:36:14] rapidtrades : f*ck you...how about them applez? @+1
[2016-09-19 06:36:40] rapidtrades : still happy?
[2016-09-19 06:39:57] +1 : u should sleep
[2016-09-19 06:40:13] +1 : u are stressed out
[2016-09-19 06:40:27] +1 : we feel sorry for you
[2016-09-19 06:40:39] rapidtrades : I'll sleep when I'm dead
[2016-09-19 06:41:56] rapidtrades : sci-fi channel is the worst...10 mins action followed by 5 min commercials
[2016-09-19 06:42:48] rapidtrades : what a joke....they're not even commercials, they're just previews for shows playing on the same channel
[2016-09-19 06:51:07] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETHXBT`: Buy 225 @ 0.02130
[2016-09-19 06:57:22] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETHXBT`: Buy 200 @ 0.02135
[2016-09-19 07:57:22] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 19 @ 0.02104
[2016-09-19 07:58:17] rapidtrades : ETH ReKtAgE
[2016-09-19 08:00:33] billyboy402 : any one know how to fix the charts to see XMR pricee i onle see 0.00 ......
[2016-09-19 08:00:59] Susperia : billyboy402: https://bitcoinwisdom.com/markets/poloniex/xmrbtc
[2016-09-19 08:01:52] billyboy402 : i am talking abouit the charts on bitmex ( trading viiew ) the scal is not set up
[2016-09-19 08:02:22] Susperia : billyboy402: bitmex does not make sense with 3 trades per week
[2016-09-19 08:03:25] Susperia : I think bitmex must remove charts at all
[2016-09-19 08:05:13] billyboy402 : i fix it , have to change the scall units to 0.00000
[2016-09-19 08:05:32] Susperia : billyboy402: what happend to ypool?
[2016-09-19 08:06:20] billyboy402 : right click > property > overide MIN tick to 1/10000000
[2016-09-19 08:06:52] billyboy402 : Susperia: no idea mate , that was a while ago . watch was ur username there , i dont remeebr you
[2016-09-19 08:07:11] BitMEX_Wally : billyboy402: Does the XMR7D chart here look ok? https://www.bitmex.com/app/trade/XMR7D
[2016-09-19 08:07:35] Susperia : billyboy402: I was not there, I just know you was
[2016-09-19 08:08:17] billyboy402 : BitMEX_Wally: I fix it , it was a tradevierw setting , i must of had it set to whole $1 for BTC ,. but for altcoin you need it set to 0.0000
[2016-09-19 08:10:10] billyboy402 : Susperia: i doint know .,. i use to mine there , but they didnt keep updating and the chat got boring and died ,. at the end they were trying to do a online wallet thing but i havent heard any thign about them in a while
[2016-09-19 08:10:23] billyboy402 : was the same time that mxcnow closed down lol
[2016-09-19 08:13:06] Susperia : lol k
[2016-09-19 08:26:33] Sdas : Isn't it possible to deposit Ether on bitmex?
[2016-09-19 08:27:44] rapidtrades : no
[2016-09-19 08:28:00] rapidtrades : ether is not a real currency
[2016-09-19 08:28:47] Sdas : Lol, that depends on who you ask. But thank you for your answer anyway
[2016-09-19 08:46:57] Susperia : I wonder if xmr will recover
[2016-09-19 12:28:06] esuvari : BitMEX_Wally: it's past the unlock time but my profit is still withheld, any ideas why that might be?
[2016-09-19 12:37:38] habibi : https://news.bitcoin.com/zero-knowledge-zcoin-launching-soon/ :D
[2016-09-19 12:38:02] rapidtrades : still $0 backed and backing 'not open' for buttfinex
[2016-09-19 12:38:15] rapidtrades : why launch if its not open...wth is going on here
[2016-09-19 12:42:58] Kalman : rapidtrades: do you want to back it? Or just follow the herd ...
[2016-09-19 12:44:01] rapidtrades : just doesn't make sense
[2016-09-19 12:46:14] Kalman : its hard to deal with cognitive dissonance ;)
[2016-09-19 12:46:27] rapidtrades : in my country we have a saying...
[2016-09-19 12:46:55] rapidtrades : he who f*cks up once is a f*ckup, he who f*cks up ten times does it on purpose
[2016-09-19 12:47:50] +1 : or just stupid.. lol. :)
[2016-09-19 12:48:09] +1 : Have a great day everyone. Good morning!
[2016-09-19 13:09:25] esuvari : anyone from bitmex online?
[2016-09-19 13:12:28] BitMEX_Arthur : esuvari: Hi
[2016-09-19 13:12:47] esuvari : BitMEX_Arthur: hi. it's past the unlock time but my profit is still withheld, any ideas why that might be?
[2016-09-19 13:13:44] BitMEX_Arthur : esuvari: Send a support request and we will look into your specific case
[2016-09-19 13:18:25] esuvari : BitMEX_Arthur: another ticket of mine from 10 days ago is still being processed.
[2016-09-19 13:18:31] esuvari : I do not have that kind of time
[2016-09-19 13:41:24] BitMEX_Wally : esuvari: The issue you raised earlier, to do with the predicted liquidation price of open orders, is being worked on by me
[2016-09-19 13:42:25] esuvari : BitMEX_Wally: great.. any updates on that one?
[2016-09-19 13:45:23] esuvari : if u typed anything, I can't see.
[2016-09-19 13:47:17] esuvari : BitMEX_Wally: btw the issue is not about the predicted liq. price of <b>open</b> orders. it's
[2016-09-19 13:51:58] BitMEX_Wally : esuvari: I have responded to your ticket regarding withheld profit
[2016-09-19 13:53:15] +1 : What's the direction of BTC/USD
[2016-09-19 13:53:23] +1 : North or south?
[2016-09-19 13:55:38] esuvari : BitMEX_Wally: cheers
[2016-09-19 14:03:06] BitMEX_Wally : esuvari: It might have been a problem with some cached data, we are investigating
[2016-09-19 15:38:19] sleger : jung1 still short eth since 0.02050
[2016-09-19 15:42:51] zen10 : BitMEX_Arthur: what's the word on rate hike this week? Binyamin Appelbaum in the nytimes yesterday said hike "is not expected". Do we know that?
[2016-09-19 15:49:31] BitMEX_Arthur : No chance they hike
[2016-09-19 15:49:39] BitMEX_Arthur : I doubt they hike at all this year
[2016-09-19 15:49:51] BitMEX_Arthur : the Chinese have their number, every time Yellen threatens rate hike, they slash the yuan
[2016-09-19 16:01:27] zen10 : Interesting. Loved your article in BM.
[2016-09-19 16:04:33] zen10 : They don't want the yuan slashed because it messes up our stocks?
[2016-09-19 16:23:04] hedgehog0223 : Is there any way to set an email notification when my order gets triggered?
[2016-09-19 16:31:58] BitMEX_Greg : hedgehog0223: I don't believe there is, but you can select Confirmation Dialogues in the preference section: https://www.bitmex.com/app/preferences
[2016-09-19 16:54:06] ScottJ : BitMEX_Greg: you guys had time to look at IOTA yet?
[2016-09-19 17:00:58] Susperia : please don't look on IOTA
[2016-09-19 17:06:04] ScottJ : Susperia: why?
[2016-09-19 17:06:58] Susperia : need volume, not shitcoins
[2016-09-19 17:10:48] ScottJ : IOTA isn't a shitcoin, but maybe you view all alts as shitcoins
[2016-09-19 17:12:58] ScottJ : BitMEX seem to be doing well out of XMR :)
[2016-09-19 17:19:09] BitMEX_Greg : ScottJ: We need sufficient demand from our users as well
[2016-09-19 17:20:23] ScottJ : true, many people are waiting for it to hit exchanges
[2016-09-19 17:20:41] ScottJ : your call, would be fun to trade that's all
[2016-09-19 17:21:02] ScottJ : currently has a ~$40M market cap from OTC only
[2016-09-19 17:49:37] rapidtrades : Good Evening people....and susperia
[2016-09-19 18:08:12] CrptoWhaler : hey
[2016-09-19 18:08:22] CrptoWhaler : anyone around here?
[2016-09-19 18:08:40] BitMEX_Greg : CrptoWhaler: Hi hows it going
[2016-09-19 18:09:07] CrptoWhaler : Not too bad..
[2016-09-19 18:09:30] CrptoWhaler : Prospecting this exchange.. Always looking for new places to whale..
[2016-09-19 18:10:29] BitMEX_Greg : Great, welcome. Let me know if you have any questions
[2016-09-19 18:11:03] CrptoWhaler : I will in a moment I'm sure ;)
[2016-09-19 18:11:21] BitMEX_Greg : Sure no problem
[2016-09-19 18:11:35] CrptoWhaler : Can you give me a quick rundown of your fees structure?
[2016-09-19 18:11:50] CrptoWhaler : That is an important factor in trading large volume..
[2016-09-19 18:12:06] BitMEX_Greg : Basically maker / taker model. -0.25% / 0.075% on most of our products
[2016-09-19 18:12:12] BitMEX_Greg : Outlines here: https://www.bitmex.com/app/fees
[2016-09-19 18:12:17] BitMEX_Greg : outlined*
[2016-09-19 18:12:26] BitMEX_Greg : -0.025% apologies
[2016-09-19 18:17:13] CrptoWhaler : I see their seems to be some algorithmic structure for calculating profits/losses..
[2016-09-19 18:17:24] CrptoWhaler : How does that work?
[2016-09-19 18:22:22] REKT : Liquidated short on `XMR7D`: Buy 401 @ 0.015836
[2016-09-19 18:27:10] CrptoWhaler : How does it calculate your profits and losses?
[2016-09-19 18:27:47] CrptoWhaler : I don't quite understand the complex structure..
[2016-09-19 18:31:28] BitMEX_Greg : Your Realised PNL is based off entry and exit prices, and any trade fees, if you enter a swap you may pay or receive funding as per the current rates
[2016-09-19 18:48:52] REKT : Liquidated short on `XMR7D`: Buy 1000 @ 0.016316
[2016-09-19 18:49:07] REKT : Liquidated short on `XMR7D`: Buy 3136 @ 0.016685
[2016-09-19 19:01:32] REKT : Liquidated short on `XMR7D`: Buy 50 @ 0.017115
[2016-09-19 19:01:53] CaptainDean : XMR fire !
[2016-09-19 19:03:50] mjones : Xmr going for 20% gains in a day
[2016-09-19 19:04:13] mjones : Eth heads happy with their devcon 2 pump of 2%
[2016-09-19 19:15:46] CaptainDean : missed that great push
[2016-09-19 19:15:53] CaptainDean : that is what happen when you work :P
[2016-09-19 19:16:35] REKT : Liquidated short on `XMR7D`: Buy 100 @ 0.017398
[2016-09-19 20:02:31] d00ber : 12h charts broken for anyone else?
[2016-09-19 20:03:23] d00ber : 1d and 6h work, 12h broken for all markets
[2016-09-19 20:06:21] BitMEX_Sam : d00ber: I see the same, I'll take a look.
[2016-09-19 20:28:12] Tetsuo : Monero hardfork in 2 days gentleman
[2016-09-19 20:33:22] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC7D`: Sell 1400 @ 0.002101
[2016-09-19 20:55:27] habibi : BitMEX_Sam: are u going to add Zcoin?its going to be released in few days and basically have its own implementation of zero knowledge
[2016-09-19 20:55:44] BitMEX_Sam : habibi: Likely not, it appears to us as a copycat coin
[2016-09-19 20:55:56] BitMEX_Sam : If there is enough interest after it launches we'll add a product.
[2016-09-19 20:57:33] habibi : BitMEX_Sam: i thought the same but looks like they have their own solutions for save setup and implementation is using diffrent crypto techniques, what i am saying even if its total shit there will be big enough market demand on it
[2016-09-19 20:57:46] BitMEX_Sam : I wonder why the deliberately confusing name?
[2016-09-19 20:58:06] BitMEX_Sam : And it remains to be seen if there will be demand, this is starting to become a crowded sector and Zcash definitely has the limelight right now
[2016-09-19 20:58:25] BitMEX_Sam : The #1 google result for Zcoin is Zcash
[2016-09-19 20:59:25] BitMEX_Sam : And all of the Zerocoin authors are on the Zcash team, but Zcoin claims to be based on Zerocoin.
[2016-09-19 20:59:32] habibi : from dev shill talk: "We aren't a fork of ZCash, the codebase is entirely different. ZCoin is an software implementation of the Zerocoin Protocol. ZCash is a software implementation of the Zerocash Protocol. They both use entirely different cryptographic schemes, but both end up achieving Zero Knowledge Private transactions (so the end result is essentially the same )"
[2016-09-19 20:59:34] BitMEX_Sam : If you ask me, it looks like an attempt at market confusion to do a quick P&D.
[2016-09-19 21:00:12] habibi : BitMEX_Sam: one thing they copy is mining distribusion so quick pd is kinda impossible
[2016-09-19 21:00:16] BitMEX_Sam : Ah okay. So "most" of the zerocoin authors and all of the zerocash authors are on Zcash according to Zcash's homepage.
[2016-09-19 21:00:27] BitMEX_Sam : That's good.
[2016-09-19 21:00:51] BitMEX_Sam : Zerocoin seems very similar to Monero by basically making mixing part of the proto?
[2016-09-19 21:01:44] BitMEX_Sam : I also heard that Zerocoin, and by extension Zcoin, has a serious transaction size issue that's fixed by zkSNARKs in Zcash.
[2016-09-19 21:01:44] habibi : no idea, didn't dig into yet but zerocoin protocol doesnt have much in common with monero way
[2016-09-19 21:01:58] BitMEX_Sam : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zerocoin#Zerocash
[2016-09-19 21:02:10] BitMEX_Sam : "...reduces proof sizes by 98% and allows for direct anonymous payments that hide payment amount"
[2016-09-19 21:02:22] BitMEX_Sam : Any coin based on the old protocol would appear to be instantly obsolete.
[2016-09-19 21:03:39] BitMEX_Sam : zcoin.tech website is sloppy, contains some references to "zcoin.cash" which seems to be a sloppy copy/paste of z.coin content.
[2016-09-19 21:04:48] BitMEX_Sam : I *definitely* don't trust it now, the website is copypasta & there's no code to be seen anywhere.
[2016-09-19 21:06:06] CrptoWhaler : Does bitmex actually trade these contracts on poloniex?
[2016-09-19 21:06:17] habibi : agree, lets see what they will deliver in few days
[2016-09-19 21:07:06] BitMEX_Sam : CrptoWhaler: Not necessary, we simply settle/mark contracts based on their price and cash-settle them in Bitcoin.
[2016-09-19 21:07:09] BitMEX_Sam : The system is always zero-sum.
[2016-09-19 21:07:27] nezal : zerocoin is 3year old alpha codebase