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[2016-09-15 12:55:06] BitMEX_Sam : breasal: It's a cash-settled future - it will settle on the price of ZEC in December, which doesn't require anyone to hold tokens now.
[2016-09-15 12:55:16] BitMEX_Sam : There are no mainnet ZEC tokens of any kind anywhere, today.
[2016-09-15 12:55:46] BitMEX_Sam : Think of it like a pre-order.
[2016-09-15 12:56:06] Slashterix : What does it cost to hold the ZEC contract?
[2016-09-15 12:56:31] BitMEX_Sam : Slashterix: Nothing, so long as you still have the required margin until expiry.
[2016-09-15 12:56:52] Slashterix : Thanks
[2016-09-15 12:57:23] breasal : pre-order is mis-leading b/c contacts will never actually receive ZEC....as a cash future contract that is.
[2016-09-15 12:57:24] Slashterix : Price seems nuts at $40 per. That makes it the most expensive alt
[2016-09-15 12:57:51] BitMEX_Sam : breasal: Yes. But you'll receive the equivalent amount in Bitcoin.
[2016-09-15 12:58:19] BitMEX_Sam : I agree that the price seems very high. Many are very excited for Zcash.
[2016-09-15 12:59:11] Slashterix : So am I, considering it has the same supply curve as bitcoin + privacy
[2016-09-15 12:59:49] BitMEX_Sam : We've been running a few testnet nodes & a block explorer to get used to the tech.
[2016-09-15 13:00:05] BitMEX_Sam : We run https://zexplorer.com and https://zchain.info
[2016-09-15 13:00:29] Slashterix : awesome
[2016-09-15 13:01:21] sangzou : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1342065.260 zcash has trusted setup it is a big concern
[2016-09-15 13:02:46] Slashterix : IPO was 1,000,000 USD for 2,102,400 ZEC or $0.476 cents per ZEC
[2016-09-15 13:03:29] Slashterix : Quite the ROI if they could sell now
[2016-09-15 13:05:05] BitMEX_Wally : Slashterix: Where are you getting those figures?
[2016-09-15 13:08:33] sangzou : https://blog.okturtles.com/2016/09/how-to-compromise-zcash-and-take-over-the-world/
[2016-09-15 13:10:44] sangzou : and http://weuse.cash/2016/06/09/btc-xmr-zcash/
[2016-09-15 13:11:29] BitMEX_Sam : habibi: More binning options now available on a refresh.
[2016-09-15 13:19:52] Slashterix : @BitMEX_Walley I got it from the forum
[2016-09-15 13:21:13] BitMEX_Wally : Slashterix: They publicly announced that they sold 1,000,000 USD but have not said the price, or how many ZEC. That 2,102,400 ZEC is still reserved for the founders, not the investors
[2016-09-15 13:31:33] Slashterix : Good to know, thanks for clarifying
[2016-09-15 13:35:22] sleger : BitMEX_Wally: there is an issue to switch back leverage to crossed for ZEC
[2016-09-15 13:35:44] sleger : it says "undefinedx"
[2016-09-15 13:35:50] BitMEX_Wally : Refresh your browser
[2016-09-15 13:35:54] BitMEX_Wally : And tell me if it still says that
[2016-09-15 13:36:07] sleger : ok works, thanks
[2016-09-15 13:36:25] BitMEX_Wally : You get an award for keeping the browser open for so long, Sam fixed that bug weeks ago :)
[2016-09-15 14:57:09] CaptainDean : Zcash already @ 0.07
[2016-09-15 14:57:52] REKT : Liquidated long on `LSKXBT`: Sell 1000 @ 0.000424
[2016-09-15 14:57:52] CaptainDean : that's insane
[2016-09-15 15:12:17] sleger : mark price is only last trade ? And that is what is used for liquidations ?
[2016-09-15 15:12:33] sleger : (did not find that info in https://www.bitmex.com/app/seriesGuide/ZEC)
[2016-09-15 15:13:14] BitMEX_Greg : sleger: Take a look in the Contract Specification: https://www.bitmex.com/app/contract/ZECZ16
[2016-09-15 15:31:53] rapidtrades : there's no liquidity on zcash
[2016-09-15 15:37:02] rapidtrades : oh look tokens crashing
[2016-09-15 15:44:38] rapidtrades : announcement coming soon i guess
[2016-09-15 15:45:32] habibi : crashing so much rapidtrades:D
[2016-09-15 15:52:35] REKT : Liquidated long on `XMR7D`: Sell 10 @ 0.016230
[2016-09-15 15:52:35] REKT : Liquidated long on `XMR7D`: Sell 24 @ 0.016227
[2016-09-15 16:14:34] giorgiom : wow zcash not yet live and already value at 7% bitcoin which is 8 years old
[2016-09-15 16:25:58] Slashterix : it's nuts. i'm reminded of the first ETH trading day
[2016-09-15 16:26:30] giorgiom : only imbeciles paying up that price
[2016-09-15 16:27:00] habibi : morons :D do u see hype around zcash? do u know how many coins will be after 30 days from start there?
[2016-09-15 16:27:44] giorgiom : yup, and i know a lot of pigs are gonna get slaughtered
[2016-09-15 16:28:52] habibi : i really dont expect market cap of zcash be less than 20 milions $ after first 30 days
[2016-09-15 16:29:04] habibi : of mining
[2016-09-15 16:29:22] habibi : and pigs are slaughtered every day, its crypto
[2016-09-15 16:35:01] XMRer : This place needs to improve on its once a day withdrawal. That is complete BS
[2016-09-15 16:36:06] BitMEX_Greg : XMRer: Is there something I can help you with? We do withdrawals once a day for security purposes out of our cold wallet
[2016-09-15 16:36:14] habibi : hacks are complete bullshits, not exchanges that are avoiding that at all costs
[2016-09-15 16:36:50] XMRer : well after tomorrow i won't be trading here until withdrawal time improve. Goodbye
[2016-09-15 16:37:53] habibi : see ya <3
[2016-09-15 16:38:40] skooliice : I got 10 contracts of zec that he didn't even look at withdrawal process before trading
[2016-09-15 16:39:03] sleger : BitMEX_Greg: you do manual withdrawals for security purposes. The once a day is because you have limited staff to process them because they are manual. You could well do 2-3 times per day with same security level
[2016-09-15 16:40:26] XMRer : exactly sleger this place is a joke
[2016-09-15 16:40:39] XMRer : no vol no staff no nothing
[2016-09-15 16:40:55] lockhedge : "limited staff" with access to private keys might be as well for security purposes. wasn't gatecoin an inside job?
[2016-09-15 16:41:16] BitMEX_Greg : XMRer: We have someone covering the trollbox 24/7. When has one of your requests gone unnoticed?
[2016-09-15 16:41:20] XMRer : come off the crap lockhedge
[2016-09-15 16:41:30] XMRer : if they that scared they dont need to be in business
[2016-09-15 16:43:39] sleger : BitMEX_Greg: When I had bigger positions here the once a day withdrawal was also a limiting factor because it made running arbs between exchanges harder
[2016-09-15 16:44:02] sleger : you could well do twice a day if you are interested in getting that kind of business.
[2016-09-15 16:44:10] BitMEX_Greg : So sorry to hear that sleger
[2016-09-15 16:44:15] BitMEX_Greg : Will look into it for you
[2016-09-15 16:45:03] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBJ24H`: Sell 26 @ 62223.0
[2016-09-15 16:45:32] sleger : no, not for me, do it for the others that want to do that, I wont anymore.
[2016-09-15 16:46:05] BitMEX_Greg : understood
[2016-09-15 16:48:19] BitMEX_Sam : Limiting access to the company's private keys is of course by design. Once a day is simply a consequence of that.
[2016-09-15 16:49:26] BitMEX_Sam : It would be irresponsible to give keys to a larger staff in order to process withdrawals more often, and even a hybrid hot/cold wallet runs the risk of compromise unless it is very carefully designed.
[2016-09-15 16:50:34] sleger : agreed, I wouldnt trust Greg either ;)
[2016-09-15 16:57:58] lockhedge : sleger: if they trust Greg they would have to change to a 2-of-4 multisig which already increases the possibility of getting compromised (alternatively Greg could only substitute one partner who shares his complete set of private keys with him)
[2016-09-15 17:08:07] REKT : Liquidated long on `XMR7D`: Sell 2 @ 0.015530 :punch: :whale:
[2016-09-15 17:18:40] aethlios : xmr in de-hyped motion, zcash hyped period started, so opportunity to buy cheap xmr during that period.
[2016-09-15 17:25:54] habibi : BitMEX_Sam: people can't buy zcash right now from book :( increase up limit for them
[2016-09-15 17:26:36] BitMEX_Sam : The limit up/down is intentional, new limits will be in 2h:33.
[2016-09-15 17:29:33] aethlios : hungry delusional buyers never learn.
[2016-09-15 17:31:01] QuantFocus : we going to see a 12/31 future on xbt?
[2016-09-15 17:33:01] omicron : BitMEX_Sam: what limit? we cant buy anymore?
[2016-09-15 17:33:17] aethlios : I think bfx market halted???? announcement soon????
[2016-09-15 17:33:18] BitMEX_Greg : omicron: There are up/down limits in place to prevent manipulation
[2016-09-15 17:34:47] BitMEX_Greg : aethlios: Yeah I don't see any market either on Bitfinex
[2016-09-15 17:35:27] lockhedge : BitMEX_Greg: could you please make these limits visible in the contract specifications
[2016-09-15 17:36:10] BitMEX_Sam : lockhedge: You are correct, this is something we removed from the specs a while ago because no products used it - the limit up/down is from the old XBU days
[2016-09-15 17:36:15] BitMEX_Sam : I'll make sure it's back on the page.
[2016-09-15 17:36:38] Kalman : aethlios: looks like
[2016-09-15 17:37:15] aethlios : I hope above 1 usd tonight.
[2016-09-15 17:39:18] sleger : where was the last annoucement from finex made first ?
[2016-09-15 17:39:46] BitMEX_Sam : Bitfinex BFX market is still trading, could be book glitch
[2016-09-15 17:39:58] aethlios : bfx trades happen but no orderbook
[2016-09-15 17:40:05] BitMEX_Sam : Dumping a bit
[2016-09-15 17:46:36] Kalman : aethlios: just a site update
[2016-09-15 18:16:09] XMRer : how do i close my account?
[2016-09-15 18:16:51] sleger : see the cross on the top left or right ?
[2016-09-15 18:17:43] XMRer : no
[2016-09-15 18:24:49] XMRer : not close my browser...I want to close my account here. I have made my withdrawal. I will go elsewhere until things get better her
[2016-09-15 18:24:51] XMRer : here
[2016-09-15 18:27:31] habibi : we already heard that, u really wanna hear us begging u to stay?
[2016-09-15 18:29:21] habibi : please stay, pleeease, we didnt take all ur money yet
[2016-09-15 18:29:30] justinlooking : lol
[2016-09-15 18:30:47] XMRer : habibi: you some kind of isis terrorist or something
[2016-09-15 18:31:10] XMRer : or camel humper?
[2016-09-15 18:31:31] XMRer : sand nagger?
[2016-09-15 18:31:57] XMRer : If i rub my lamp will you jump out of it?
[2016-09-15 18:33:42] habibi : u still here? :D
[2016-09-15 18:34:01] XMRer : waiting on yo momma to come over
[2016-09-15 18:34:27] habibi : oh i see that argument style, wait a moment i will call for good talker
[2016-09-15 18:34:27] XMRer : she gone do one of that arabian dances for me
[2016-09-15 18:34:29] habibi : rapidtrades: u there?
[2016-09-15 18:35:32] XMRer : شيطان
[2016-09-15 18:37:36] sleger : "but what about the stuff that really matters, the BFX token details?" "We plan to have that up today as stated in the update last Friday."
[2016-09-15 18:38:44] XMRer : I agree with you sleger... This place needs alot of work. Its a nice platform- But it is poorly maintained.
[2016-09-15 18:40:17] aethlios : where finex says: "We plan to have that up today as stated in the update last Friday." Already 16 Sept. Hong Kong
[2016-09-15 18:42:15] sleger : that was from zane who is based on the west coast US i believe
[2016-09-15 18:46:20] ScottJ : BitMEX_Sam: what are the chances of listing an IOTA futures market? WIll be on exchanges in a month or so, would be good if you got in there first.
[2016-09-15 18:51:08] BitMEX_Greg : ScottJ: I havn't heard about IOTA before, what is the coin about?
[2016-09-15 18:56:30] ScottJ : It's a new crypto that is based on a new type of blockchain - the tangle or a DAG (directed acyclic graph)- it designed to be the backbone of the internet of things. You can send transactions (of even just 1 IOTA) for literally zero fees. It is quantum proof. Confirmations take seconds in the future (few mins atm) The more people that use it the faster it works.
[2016-09-15 18:57:01] ScottJ : It solves many of the big problems in crypto. The devs are said to have some big companies on board
[2016-09-15 18:58:23] BitMEX_Greg : Cool we will take a look at it
[2016-09-15 19:00:04] ScottJ : iotatoken.com
[2016-09-15 19:00:09] ScottJ : cool, thanks
[2016-09-15 19:33:05] omicron : did xbt vol just drop to half the usual?
[2016-09-15 19:33:25] Mastodon : What's a Bitcoin?
[2016-09-15 19:33:25] omicron : i noticed that happen right after i18n, possible bug?
[2016-09-15 19:34:02] omicron : or is everyone trading zcash now
[2016-09-15 19:39:45] Kalman : Mastodon: www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gc2en3nHxA4
[2016-09-15 19:40:01] Kalman : Mastodon: www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lx9zgZCMqXE
[2016-09-15 19:42:05] rapidtrades : how can u trade zcash it has almot no liquidty here
[2016-09-15 19:47:52] rapidtrades : sleger: so how is that market making going on forex
[2016-09-15 19:53:40] sleger : fine. Do you have problems with your mt4 algos ?
[2016-09-15 19:55:32] rapidtrades : no
[2016-09-15 20:00:17] justinlooking : XMRekt
[2016-09-15 20:30:55] arti : When will u add xrp?
[2016-09-15 20:38:41] rapidtrades : looks like EU plans to go tough on UK
[2016-09-15 20:38:48] rapidtrades : not gonna end well for any of them
[2016-09-15 20:39:04] rapidtrades : maybe that will finally move the f*cking euro the shit of a currency
[2016-09-15 22:26:49] luckylarry : im about to get in on this ZCASH BABY
[2016-09-15 22:27:39] Cryptoprofit : Zcash - here i come! :)
[2016-09-15 22:33:38] mjones : xmr dumping
[2016-09-15 22:37:32] REKT : Liquidated long on `XMR7D`: Sell 890 @ 0.015443
[2016-09-15 22:37:32] REKT : Liquidated long on `XMR7D`: Sell 4 @ 0.015418 :punch: :whale:
[2016-09-15 22:42:39] Rizky : anyone know how many ZEC's will be avail at launch?
[2016-09-15 22:42:42] Rizky : save me Googling...
[2016-09-15 22:43:22] lockhedge : https://forum.z.cash/t/final-zcash-mining-specifications/355
[2016-09-15 22:44:14] habibi : Rizky: 0 at launch
[2016-09-15 22:44:32] Rizky : ah
[2016-09-15 22:44:34] Rizky : shokran habibi
[2016-09-15 22:58:43] Hawtdawg : no one trading zcash yet
[2016-09-15 23:02:11] Rizky : wonder if people here can stay interested for the 40 days...
[2016-09-15 23:03:21] Susperia : ZCash is at least 10x overvalued
[2016-09-15 23:05:14] Susperia : ICO price 50c, now it's $40. You are kidding me. Even testnet is broken.
[2016-09-15 23:13:51] rapidtrades : i don't even know what zcash is
[2016-09-15 23:15:51] Susperia : Bitcoin fork with anonymity snake-oil
[2016-09-15 23:16:17] Susperia : Overhyped after Monero rise, like Boolberry
[2016-09-15 23:16:19] rapidtrades : oh built on bitcoin eh...that's interesting
[2016-09-15 23:16:46] rapidtrades : u now u have anonymity plus security of bitcoin network
[2016-09-15 23:17:03] Susperia : lol it has no security of bitcoin network, son
[2016-09-15 23:17:19] rapidtrades : how so
[2016-09-15 23:17:40] Susperia : You either retard or trolling me so I am out
[2016-09-15 23:18:11] rapidtrades : k
[2016-09-15 23:19:20] Susperia : I hope morons will buy as much as possible ZCrap from me so i will laugh on them in december
[2016-09-15 23:20:41] rapidtrades : if tokens from a insolvent compnay can trade at 60 cents, then why not zcash at $40?
[2016-09-15 23:21:31] Susperia : because both scam?
[2016-09-15 23:22:35] rapidtrades : well u know what they sy
[2016-09-15 23:22:45] rapidtrades : one man's trash is another man's treasure
[2016-09-15 23:26:44] sleger : Susperia: wow, you went out for a full 2 minutes, impressive !
[2016-09-15 23:30:45] smagin07 : who's the insolvent company?
[2016-09-15 23:31:14] Susperia : smagin07: finex
[2016-09-15 23:31:28] smagin07 : ahhhhh right
[2016-09-15 23:31:39] smagin07 : They swear to pay you back though!
[2016-09-15 23:31:42] smagin07 : :)
[2016-09-15 23:31:51] smagin07 : pinky promise
[2016-09-15 23:34:17] rapidtrades : sleger: will u convert to shares?
[2016-09-15 23:34:26] sleger : no
[2016-09-15 23:34:48] sleger : obv it depends on the terms, but i highly doubt it will be even remotely interesting
[2016-09-15 23:34:59] sleger : although i'm sure a lot of idiots will go for it
[2016-09-15 23:35:05] rapidtrades : noone that owns tokens plans to convert
[2016-09-15 23:35:27] rapidtrades : everyone is hoping others will do it and they can dump on their heads
[2016-09-15 23:36:16] rapidtrades : i wonder if they will include the tokens in the 'raised amount' on ibankwiththefuture
[2016-09-15 23:36:22] rapidtrades : or whatever that joke of a site is called
[2016-09-15 23:39:18] rapidtrades : bitcoin is waiting for the finex resolution too
[2016-09-15 23:40:00] Susperia : finex resolution must be staff in a jail
[2016-09-15 23:41:32] rapidtrades : their pot-smoking PR said today so likely tomorrow night
[2016-09-15 23:41:43] rapidtrades : judging by past experience
[2016-09-15 23:42:33] rapidtrades : its amazing that finex was the top usd site...they must have been faking volume all along
[2016-09-15 23:47:33] sleger : rapidtrades: I think a lot of people want so much to hold a "piece" of bitfinex
[2016-09-15 23:48:16] sleger : and they still are top usd site
[2016-09-15 23:48:49] rapidtrades : yeah, right
[2016-09-15 23:49:13] sleger : i highly doubt they are faking any volume
[2016-09-15 23:49:13] rapidtrades : open ur eyes man...they were the main players on their exchange
[2016-09-15 23:49:36] rapidtrades : i highly doubt theyr'e faking volume <<< this fcuking guy
[2016-09-15 23:49:42] rapidtrades : eth investor sleger
[2016-09-15 23:49:56] sleger : we are not talking about huobi or 0kcoin
[2016-09-15 23:50:03] rapidtrades : smtimes it feels like im the only sane person about here
[2016-09-15 23:50:19] sleger : there's a saying :
[2016-09-15 23:50:24] rapidtrades : i'm literally shedding IQ points by being here
[2016-09-15 23:50:26] sleger : if it's everyone then it's you
[2016-09-15 23:50:48] rapidtrades : yeah? must be lost in translation
[2016-09-15 23:50:52] rapidtrades : the saying
[2016-09-15 23:51:08] sleger : nope, if you think everyone else it's stupid, then it's likely you
[2016-09-15 23:51:15] sleger : (who is stupid...)
[2016-09-15 23:52:48] rapidtrades : yeah that makes sense
[2016-09-15 23:53:18] lockhedge : 2 : 1 for rapidtrades "01:35 - rapidtrades: everyone is hoping others will do it and they can dump on their heads"
[2016-09-15 23:56:12] sleger : lockhedge: not time to go to bed in France ?
[2016-09-15 23:56:30] rapidtrades : sleger: are u back from japan?
[2016-09-15 23:56:50] sleger : oh yes
[2016-09-15 23:57:01] rapidtrades : how was it :)
[2016-09-15 23:57:20] sleger : very clean, I like when people vacuum the sidewalks
[2016-09-15 23:59:58] BitMEX_Greg : sleger: Tokyo?
[2016-09-16 00:00:37] rapidtrades : sleger: that sounds weird as hell
[2016-09-16 00:01:06] rapidtrades : must be a nice change from the pisshole that is Paris
[2016-09-16 00:01:23] rapidtrades : then again....can u vacuum piss?
[2016-09-16 00:02:19] sleger : BitMEX_Greg: yes
[2016-09-16 00:02:28] BitMEX_Greg : One of my favourite cities
[2016-09-16 00:02:32] sleger : rapidtrades: Paris is clean, take a look at hk or nyc
[2016-09-16 00:03:06] sleger : I like the food a lot in Tokyo, that's the best thing
[2016-09-16 00:03:22] rapidtrades : seafood?
[2016-09-16 00:03:26] BitMEX_Greg : Yeah its amazing. There's a great tempura place in Ginza
[2016-09-16 00:03:50] sleger : yes, grilled fish, sashimi, but also just noodle soups...
[2016-09-16 00:04:30] sleger : tempura is like french fries though, hard to screw it up
[2016-09-16 00:05:15] BitMEX_Greg : I disagree. I think the way they cook the batter and the quality of the ingredients go a long way
[2016-09-16 00:06:33] sleger : Fair enough. I just wouldnt say tempura is great food, or quality food, or what makes Tokyo famous for food
[2016-09-16 00:06:47] sleger : just like some people think there are awesome pizzas etc...
[2016-09-16 00:07:02] sleger : Tokyo is the world city with the most 3 star michelin restaurants
[2016-09-16 00:07:10] BitMEX_Greg : Yeah that's right
[2016-09-16 00:07:16] sleger : (they rarely serve tempuras)
[2016-09-16 00:07:17] BitMEX_Greg : this ginza place is one of them
[2016-09-16 00:07:26] sleger : what's the name ?
[2016-09-16 00:07:36] BitMEX_Greg : I'll find out, it's pretty famous
[2016-09-16 00:08:49] BitMEX_Greg : Where else did you go?
[2016-09-16 00:09:14] sleger : hmm michelin website 3 stars tokyo has 0 restaurant with tempura
[2016-09-16 00:09:22] sleger : tokyo and a lunch in kyoto
[2016-09-16 00:09:33] sleger : (i dont travel for fun)
[2016-09-16 00:09:37] BitMEX_Greg : I'll try find the name from my friend.
[2016-09-16 00:09:50] BitMEX_Greg : Fair enough, on bitcoin business?
[2016-09-16 00:09:56] sleger : no
[2016-09-16 00:10:27] rapidtrades : sleger: man that's sad...did they at least give u a good hotel
[2016-09-16 00:10:42] BitMEX_Greg : What do you do besides this? If you care to discuss on chat
[2016-09-16 00:10:59] sleger : i choose my own hotel so yes, mandarin @rapidtrades
[2016-09-16 00:11:04] sleger : BitMEX_Greg: I trade FX
[2016-09-16 00:11:08] mjones : xmr beartrend over
[2016-09-16 00:11:17] BitMEX_Greg : PA?
[2016-09-16 00:11:24] sleger : BitMEX_Greg: PA = ?
[2016-09-16 00:11:46] rapidtrades : price action :)
[2016-09-16 00:11:56] BitMEX_Greg : personal account
[2016-09-16 00:12:03] rapidtrades : aaah
[2016-09-16 00:12:08] sleger : no proprietary trading company
[2016-09-16 00:13:07] BitMEX_Greg : Cool, do you get a good % cut?
[2016-09-16 00:13:18] sleger : yes that's the point
[2016-09-16 00:13:52] sleger : just share some of the sharable costs, and take most of the rest home
[2016-09-16 00:14:21] BitMEX_Greg : That's good. I've seen a few here in NY that basically give you the leverage but take a lot of the profit
[2016-09-16 00:14:52] sleger : well if you hire anyone then that's what you would do
[2016-09-16 00:15:17] BitMEX_Greg : I know
[2016-09-16 00:15:38] sleger : my base is already multiples of 100k (eur, gbp, usd whatever)
[2016-09-16 00:15:50] sleger : so if they didnt know who i was they would be taking huge risks
[2016-09-16 00:16:22] sleger : some companies even ask you to put your own money at risk first, give you a tiny tiny base, but then you have a decent % of profits
[2016-09-16 00:16:30] sleger : that works if you have no track record
[2016-09-16 00:17:05] rapidtrades : how long of a track record did u have? weren't u a programer in past life
[2016-09-16 00:17:29] sleger : track record length depends on what your sharpe/trading frequency is
[2016-09-16 00:17:43] sleger : if you have a 10+ sharp then 6months is more than enough
[2016-09-16 00:17:49] sleger : no i never was a developer
[2016-09-16 00:17:56] BitMEX_Greg : Yeah I've seen that too. You provide about 5-10k and they give you another 50k or so
[2016-09-16 00:18:00] rapidtrades : lol @10 sharp
[2016-09-16 00:18:09] BitMEX_Greg : 10x sharpe?
[2016-09-16 00:18:25] BitMEX_Greg : Most I've seen is about 3-4
[2016-09-16 00:18:26] rapidtrades : he means 10
[2016-09-16 00:18:27] sleger : 10+ sharp is a never 3days in the red - ish
[2016-09-16 00:18:35] sleger : i mean 10 +
[2016-09-16 00:18:44] rapidtrades : well that's crazy
[2016-09-16 00:18:51] rapidtrades : market making?
[2016-09-16 00:18:54] sleger : I have way over that
[2016-09-16 00:19:01] sleger : red days are rare
[2016-09-16 00:19:07] rapidtrades : cos ur making markets
[2016-09-16 00:19:09] sleger : yes
[2016-09-16 00:19:23] rapidtrades : that's a sweet gig
[2016-09-16 00:19:34] BitMEX_Greg : ever look at commodities at all?
[2016-09-16 00:19:35] sleger : but I have friends who are takers a lot and they have 10 +
[2016-09-16 00:19:36] rapidtrades : once it stops u can take ur millions and travel for fun
[2016-09-16 00:19:58] sleger : a 10+ hours flight is never fun, even in first class
[2016-09-16 00:20:13] sleger : BitMEX_Greg: commo, I use them to trade other stuff, but I dont trade them
[2016-09-16 00:20:40] sleger : BitMEX_Greg: http://gm.gnavi.co.jp/restaurant/list/tokyo/all_area/all_small_area/tempura/3star/
[2016-09-16 00:20:44] BitMEX_Greg : Some good alpha in the commods curves. I had a pretty good strat before, havnt seen the performance recently though
[2016-09-16 00:21:31] BitMEX_Greg : lol let me double check, may have the area or may not just be a tempura specialised place
[2016-09-16 00:21:37] sleger : 3 star michelin is rarely below 200$ (before wine) per person, is that what your tempura place was ? @BitMEX_Greg
[2016-09-16 00:21:54] BitMEX_Greg : Yeah it was around that
[2016-09-16 00:22:36] sleger : Arthur is more generous than I thought :p
[2016-09-16 00:22:42] rapidtrades : why would u pay $200 for food.....
[2016-09-16 00:22:50] rapidtrades : that's like 1 $200 hooker
[2016-09-16 00:22:58] rapidtrades : or 4 $50 dollar hookers
[2016-09-16 00:23:03] BitMEX_Greg : haha no this is before BitMEX days
[2016-09-16 00:23:44] sleger : rapidtrades: one doesnt prevent you from using the other if that's what you want
[2016-09-16 00:23:48] BitMEX_Greg : lol
[2016-09-16 00:24:42] BitMEX_Greg : You could always go to Pattaya and go crazy, probably get a truckload for $200
[2016-09-16 00:25:06] rapidtrades : i don't like dark-skinned asians
[2016-09-16 00:25:29] sleger : someone's racist
[2016-09-16 00:25:30] rapidtrades : indians are cool tho....idk why
[2016-09-16 00:25:44] rapidtrades : talking about the women @sleger
[2016-09-16 00:25:57] rapidtrades : maybe cos indians have no white version
[2016-09-16 00:25:58] sleger : does it make it non racist ?
[2016-09-16 00:26:28] rapidtrades : so if i don't want to f*ck black women im racist?
[2016-09-16 00:27:21] sleger : it depends : are you ok to f*ck black men ?
[2016-09-16 00:27:30] rapidtrades : no
[2016-09-16 00:27:34] sleger : then yes
[2016-09-16 00:27:57] rapidtrades : but i'd do indians....so not racist
[2016-09-16 00:28:21] sleger : less but still
[2016-09-16 00:29:20] sleger : when is that iphone delivered....
[2016-09-16 00:30:56] rapidtrades : man its still so f*cking hot
[2016-09-16 00:30:59] rapidtrades : this is bullshit
[2016-09-16 00:31:09] rapidtrades : this is what we get for that mild winter
[2016-09-16 00:31:15] rapidtrades : now its payback time
[2016-09-16 00:32:19] Susperia : admin
[2016-09-16 00:32:31] Susperia : I see [object object] in notifications
[2016-09-16 00:34:28] BitMEX_Greg : Susperia: I'll ask Sam about this when he is online.
[2016-09-16 00:35:26] BitMEX_Greg : Susperia: I've just been told this has been fixed. We are going to push a fix soon. Thanks for informing us
[2016-09-16 00:35:46] Susperia : cool
[2016-09-16 00:44:59] BitMEX_Sam : Susperia: Fix has been pushed, thanks for the report - we had this one fixed earlier today but just hadn't deployed it.
[2016-09-16 00:45:17] Susperia : awesome
[2016-09-16 00:50:59] rapidtrades : sleger: any thoughts on cable or US stocks?
[2016-09-16 01:07:07] REKT : Liquidated long on `FCTXBT`: Sell 100 @ 0.005329
[2016-09-16 01:39:41] laisee : rapidtrades: did u read Arthurs latest BitMex post?
[2016-09-16 01:56:55] rapidtrades : laisee: which one? i see 3
[2016-09-16 02:14:07] REKT : Liquidated long on `BFXU16`: Sell 602 @ 0.47010
[2016-09-16 02:14:21] REKT : Liquidated long on `BFXU16`: Sell 313 @ 0.45940
[2016-09-16 02:14:22] REKT : Liquidated long on `BFXU16`: Sell 56 @ 0.45610
[2016-09-16 02:23:38] rapidtrades : wowowow
[2016-09-16 02:23:45] rapidtrades : ok announcement up?
[2016-09-16 02:24:24] rapidtrades : well...they just dumped on ur asses
[2016-09-16 02:25:36] rapidtrades : https://www.reddit.com/r/BitcoinMarkets/comments/52zcbv/bitfinex_special_purpose_vehicle_spv_opportunities/
[2016-09-16 02:28:42] rapidtrades : am i only one who's up? i don't even have position on tokens
[2016-09-16 02:36:32] rapidtrades : u can't even short them with this 10% dsicount
[2016-09-16 02:40:41] rapidtrades : talk to me animals...i see u trading the tokens
[2016-09-16 02:51:50] muirtastic : That BFX liquidation made for an easy trade..in at 39...out at 47, two minutes later
[2016-09-16 02:52:04] muirtastic : Of course don't ask me how well I did shorting it these past few weeks :-/
[2016-09-16 02:54:31] rapidtrades : classic pump&dump
[2016-09-16 02:54:43] rapidtrades : prolly not seeing the 60 cents high ever again
[2016-09-16 02:56:12] muirtastic : yes probably not
[2016-09-16 02:59:19] rapidtrades : can smone post the investor data https://bnktothefuture.com/pitches/bitfinex
[2016-09-16 03:18:47] AudibleScience : I just bumped into a hidden order but was still charged a taker fee?
[2016-09-16 03:20:49] AudibleScience : How is that possible? I thought hidden orders automatically paid the taker fee no?
[2016-09-16 03:24:47] BitMEX_Jinming : AudibleScience: Can you send the details to support@bitmex.com? and I will check it.
[2016-09-16 03:28:19] AudibleScience : BitMEX_Jinming: no need, it's OrderID was feb687
[2016-09-16 03:29:01] rapidtrades : http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-09-14/stock-trading-whiz-kid-fined-15-million-sec-being-paper-trading-fraud
[2016-09-16 03:30:16] AudibleScience : BitMEX_Jinming: {"orderID":"a23d7902-30c5-ea42-edcf-5f1338feb687"}
[2016-09-16 03:30:31] BitMEX_Jinming : AudibleScience: ok
[2016-09-16 03:33:49] BitMEX_Jinming : AudibleScience: It was not hidden order, submitted 10 sec before your order.
[2016-09-16 03:38:12] omicron : BitMEX_Jinming: are hidden orders included in volume
[2016-09-16 03:38:26] omicron : i.e. if i have a hidden order that matches with another hidden order
[2016-09-16 03:39:01] BitMEX_Jinming : omicron: yes they are included in volume
[2016-09-16 03:39:43] AudibleScience : BitMEX_Jinming: lol really! okay never mind then. I'm sure there was no order at that price in the gui when I had a look 1 second before I submitted my order though. but that's impossible right? hehe probably just a case of user error then.
[2016-09-16 03:39:45] BitMEX_Jinming : omicron: hidden order is normally passive order, so they won't match with each other.
[2016-09-16 03:40:31] BitMEX_Jinming : AudibleScience: probably due to latency?
[2016-09-16 03:42:29] AudibleScience : ~9 ~10 seconds latency??!! I truly hope not bro!
[2016-09-16 03:49:25] BitMEX_Jinming : AudibleScience: I can see the best ask was 604.38 from 10 sec before your order. I will check with Sam if it could be any potential problem with the gui.
[2016-09-16 03:50:11] AudibleScience : BitMEX_Jinming: thanks
[2016-09-16 03:51:49] AudibleScience : Do you know when the entry price will reflect the true entry price post rebalance? Or did Sam already do that?
[2016-09-16 03:56:34] BitMEX_Jinming : AudibleScience: it is already showing the true entry price. In your `Open Positions` tab, you can see your entry price, and if you hover on that, it shows last rebalance price.
[2016-09-16 04:01:10] AudibleScience : BitMEX_Jinming: I see, cheers.
[2016-09-16 04:01:31] BitMEX_Jinming : :)
[2016-09-16 04:05:47] REKT : Liquidated short on `ZECZ16`: Buy 13 @ 0.07774
[2016-09-16 04:05:47] REKT : Liquidated short on `ZECZ16`: Buy 10 @ 0.07774
[2016-09-16 04:09:01] jose : i dont understand, is there any places where we can trade zcash except here ?
[2016-09-16 04:10:03] AudibleScience : jose: The Zcash genesis block will launch in 41 days...
[2016-09-16 04:10:23] BitMEX_Wally : jose: BitMEX is the only place you can trade Zcash
[2016-09-16 04:11:24] AudibleScience : BitMEX_Jinming: still getting [object: Object] notices sometimes?
[2016-09-16 04:14:26] BitMEX_Jinming : AudibleScience: yeah Sam has fixed it, and we will release the fix soon.
[2016-09-16 04:14:56] AudibleScience : great!
[2016-09-16 04:15:03] omicron : smart move list zcash so early. bitmex i think makes good strategic moves
[2016-09-16 04:58:48] aethlios : Hello, 120 mill. is the valuation of bitfinex. What do you think?? With 0.5 bfx is like 60 mill.
[2016-09-16 05:06:00] omicron : so its half off nigga, buy
[2016-09-16 05:06:19] omicron : huh, i said n1gga and it changed to CEO
[2016-09-16 05:06:45] aethlios : 6 mill net annual profit for finex, they value the company at a 20 p/e, with 1 usd bfx price, with 0.5 they value it at 10 p/e
[2016-09-16 05:07:16] omicron : i dont get it why is n1gga censored to CEO
[2016-09-16 05:08:08] aethlios : you need to apply until 30 Sept. to receive the new tradeable stock at 1:1 for bfx
[2016-09-16 05:09:02] aethlios : they have 0.18% net margin, so for each 1000 usd volume they make 1.8 usd net profit.
[2016-09-16 05:15:49] BitMEX_Wally : omicron: Our CEO is a CEO
[2016-09-16 05:15:56] aethlios : Is Sam here to make a conversation about bitfinex deal?? From first sight i think is a bargain, with 0.5 usd bfx, you buy bitfinex with 60 mill valuation, 10 p/e in a fast growth sector.
[2016-09-16 05:15:58] arbitrage001 : the market doesnt like the proposed plan by bfx
[2016-09-16 05:16:38] arbitrage001 : aethlios: dude, seeing the market reaction, it appears to be not favorable
[2016-09-16 05:19:11] aethlios : they plan to offer option trading at the end of the year.
[2016-09-16 05:19:58] arbitrage001 : aethlios: they said a lot of things in the past few years
[2016-09-16 05:20:05] arbitrage001 : most become vaporware
[2016-09-16 05:21:50] arbitrage001 : and i dont believe bitcoin option will work
[2016-09-16 05:22:25] aethlios : I have 53000 bfx, I will buy 47.000 more at 0.5 price and redeem for stock, since the stock will be tradeable I can use them for margin, Need to decide until 30 Sept, but I will buy them now in case of a rally and think better next days.
[2016-09-16 05:22:26] arbitrage001 : there will be no market maker quoting reasonable price
[2016-09-16 05:23:52] aethlios : arbitrage001: Think how the crypto market will be in 5 years, this market grows very fast. Now 7 coins above 100 mill market value, + zcash soon, much fiat comes in the market.
[2016-09-16 05:24:17] arbitrage001 : bubble land doesnt last forever
[2016-09-16 05:24:49] arbitrage001 : and all bubble asset eventually end badly for most
[2016-09-16 05:24:55] arbitrage001 : benefiting very few
[2016-09-16 05:25:10] aethlios : arbitrage001: crypto market is a bubble?? So internet was a bubble in 1996??
[2016-09-16 05:25:28] arbitrage001 : internet companies were bubble
[2016-09-16 05:25:37] arbitrage001 : internet isn't
[2016-09-16 05:25:42] aethlios : it is a new tech, I am talking about crypto and blockchain tech.
[2016-09-16 05:25:44] arbitrage001 : even AOL went bust?
[2016-09-16 05:26:16] arbitrage001 : and you think that will benefit if you are shareholder for an exchange?
[2016-09-16 05:35:35] aethlios : arbitrage001: so bitfinex now valued at 62.5 mill. with bfx at 0.51, this is not a cheap entry??
[2016-09-16 05:38:18] arbitrage001 : aethlios: on paper, it looks cheap
[2016-09-16 05:39:11] arbitrage001 : but seeing the market reaction, the risk appears higher than what they claimed
[2016-09-16 05:42:18] jose : every 6 months a bad event occurs for bitfinex
[2016-09-16 05:42:29] arbitrage001 : just finished reading their exit plan
[2016-09-16 05:42:49] arbitrage001 : they didn't say anything on dividend
[2016-09-16 05:43:47] arbitrage001 : implying you will only get back your money if they offer ipo
[2016-09-16 05:47:14] aethlios : arbitrage001: exit plan is like going bitfinex public in a fiat exchange. This they mean. The RRT, will be tradeable, in bitfinex platform as I guess.
[2016-09-16 05:48:20] arbitrage001 : RRT is a lost cause
[2016-09-16 05:48:25] arbitrage001 : anyway
[2016-09-16 05:48:28] arbitrage001 : if you plan to buy
[2016-09-16 05:48:37] aethlios : since you have RRT you will receive dividends, but dividends are a bad sign, a profitable company in a growth sector better invest the net cash. Buffets company berkshire never paid dividends.
[2016-09-16 05:48:43] arbitrage001 : i suggust you wait till last few days
[2016-09-16 05:48:50] arbitrage001 : see if there is any sucker
[2016-09-16 05:49:18] arbitrage001 : did you read RRT carefully?
[2016-09-16 05:49:33] aethlios : I will buy now more tokens and think more next days (since more opinions will be out there) if I will convert to RRT
[2016-09-16 05:50:49] arbitrage001 : aethlios: you have been wrong on many times
[2016-09-16 05:51:08] aethlios : bought 50.000 at 0.52, now wait and think, I have 103.000 bfx now.
[2016-09-16 05:51:14] arbitrage001 : didnt you say it the token will be at 1 today?
[2016-09-16 05:51:35] arbitrage001 : and i told you i will be glad to get out at 0.8 yesterday
[2016-09-16 05:51:49] arbitrage001 : now it is trading at 0.51
[2016-09-16 05:53:34] aethlios : arbitrage001: It will rally, wait the deal is good, I mean the 120 valuation, need to check details next days.
[2016-09-16 05:53:59] aethlios : but only 10 days to decide.
[2016-09-16 05:54:10] arbitrage001 : if the detail is good, why do you think many sold and the price drop?
[2016-09-16 05:56:20] aethlios : knee jerk reaction.
[2016-09-16 05:57:15] aethlios : I have to go now, talk again in a few hours, happy to listen to your opinion about what is better to do in next days.
[2016-09-16 05:57:18] arbitrage001 : i am re-reading rrt to check dividend part
[2016-09-16 05:57:26] arbitrage001 : ok
[2016-09-16 06:29:35] REKT : Liquidated short on `FCTXBT`: Buy 241 @ 0.005729
[2016-09-16 06:43:01] omicron : BitMEX_Wally: haha reminds me of south park our marklaar is marklaar
[2016-09-16 06:46:38] arbitrage001 : aethlios: re-read everything
[2016-09-16 06:47:19] arbitrage001 : aethlios: read more carefully on the valuation, you made a lot of wrong assumption
[2016-09-16 06:47:34] arbitrage001 : aethlios: same on rrt
[2016-09-16 07:14:11] rapidtrades : arbitrage001: ok so net is 6mil at prehack so posthack let's say 3mil
[2016-09-16 07:14:39] rapidtrades : that's a 60/1 pe is it not?
[2016-09-16 07:15:06] rapidtrades : where are ppl coming up with the figure of 20mil for 2017
[2016-09-16 07:16:00] rapidtrades : they also kept 11 mil EXTRA not just 10% of tokens like they said
[2016-09-16 07:16:17] rapidtrades : scamming shits
[2016-09-16 07:17:03] rapidtrades : https://imgur.com/a/CpBu0
[2016-09-16 07:17:30] rapidtrades : raising money with unaudited statements....now ive seen it all
[2016-09-16 07:20:24] rapidtrades : this is complete bullshit....they had 7mil net last year and they project 'conservative' 20mil for 2017
[2016-09-16 07:20:26] rapidtrades : like wtf
[2016-09-16 07:23:07] rapidtrades : also says valuation is 120mil but 40% of that is not 80mil
[2016-09-16 07:23:41] rapidtrades : these ppl are too stupid to math and check their own prospect...this is one big joke
[2016-09-16 07:39:09] rapidtrades : sharp gains in Yuan past two days...not good for bitcorn
[2016-09-16 07:54:20] jose : what is going on in BTC, so much movements... but the price is not moving
[2016-09-16 07:58:10] miramm1115 : someones bot is gone crazy
[2016-09-16 08:19:58] miramm1115 : new okc quarterly is up, still pretty cheap
[2016-09-16 08:29:05] Kalman : rapidtrades: whats your valuation?
[2016-09-16 08:29:34] Kalman : rapidtrades: btw thx for the docs
[2016-09-16 08:36:57] rapidtrades : idk 50-70m? don't trade stocks so no clue how to value distressed companies
[2016-09-16 08:37:43] bob.r : i was just looking at my positions, and it said i was liquidated but at a price 20% lower than the price ever reached.
[2016-09-16 08:37:54] rapidtrades : 5-10 pe seems around where it should be
[2016-09-16 08:37:59] jose : there is a problem on the chart
[2016-09-16 08:38:00] bob.r : i was long bfx, got liquidated at 0.3244
[2016-09-16 08:38:32] bob.r : price only ever got to 0.389
[2016-09-16 08:39:40] rapidtrades : on the low leverage instruments bitmex has a bigger buffer for liquidations....so 20% seems ok
[2016-09-16 08:40:01] rapidtrades : not saying its right but that's how it works
[2016-09-16 08:40:51] jose : maximum leverage 5x = 20% ;)
[2016-09-16 08:43:07] bob.r : ok yeah, maintenance margin was at 20%, makes sense i suppose
[2016-09-16 08:44:08] Kalman : rapidtrades: are ther anywhere data for the last month resp. Aug 10th?
[2016-09-16 08:44:21] Kalman : ^since
[2016-09-16 09:09:52] REKT : Liquidated long on `FCTXBT`: Sell 35 @ 0.005438
[2016-09-16 09:34:18] j8 : what up bitmex
[2016-09-16 09:34:56] zanza : sup
[2016-09-16 09:35:17] Molyoloo : anyone some expectations on Zcash?
[2016-09-16 09:35:50] jose : look at the price, i think most of us have high expectations for it
[2016-09-16 09:36:01] j8 : i was just reading up on it a bit. there are so few coins at first
[2016-09-16 09:39:04] j8 : it will be really overvalued in the near term, and difficult / expensive to short
[2016-09-16 09:45:33] j8 : 0.08 seems high for a brand new alt with an eventual supply of 21 million. there will only be around 300k in circulation when `ZECZ16` settles though
[2016-09-16 09:46:24] jose : how much coins are mined every day ?
[2016-09-16 09:47:49] Susperia : zcash value is 0 BTC. I will laught on liauidation storm.
[2016-09-16 09:48:46] Susperia : ICO price is 50 cents. Now it's near $50. And it DOES NOT EXIST. Even testnet is broken
[2016-09-16 09:49:23] j8 : jose: i haven't found an official source for that but from what i gather it'll be 12.5 per 2.5 minutes, so 7200 a day. BUT for the first 20000 blocks (around 5 weeks) the reward ramps up from zero to 12.5
[2016-09-16 09:51:06] jose : at 0.08BTC the cost to maintain the network is 350K USD per day
[2016-09-16 09:51:25] j8 : of that 12.5, 10 goes to miners and 2.5 to the dev fund. until the first halving after four years, then it's just to the miners
[2016-09-16 09:51:27] jose : i dont see it happen, like no way
[2016-09-16 09:58:52] j8 : it will launch with a lot of hype, we're already talking about it and it's 6 weeks away. a lot of people will want in and there's no ico. i agree the supply will dominate at this price, it's just a matter of whether that will happen before dec 30th
[2016-09-16 10:08:16] nezal : 300,000 * $200 = $60 mil market cap
[2016-09-16 10:08:40] nezal : much crazier things have happened
[2016-09-16 10:19:12] miramm1115 : my price target for the zcahs future is 0.1-0.2 before spot trading starts. but of course we have to crash the market couple times before that to pick up liquidations, it's not fun without couple crashes
[2016-09-16 10:26:57] j8 : miramm1115: are you mm'ing it?
[2016-09-16 10:27:37] rapidtrades : noone talking about buttfinex anymore?
[2016-09-16 10:29:29] haxmb : jose: agree
[2016-09-16 10:29:34] miramm1115 : no, I'm going away for couple weeks, well have very limited internet access, so I stopped all my bots. most likely will give it a try when I come back @j8
[2016-09-16 10:29:35] haxmb : 350k USD
[2016-09-16 10:29:51] miramm1115 : *will have
[2016-09-16 10:30:30] j8 : nice, vacation?
[2016-09-16 10:30:34] miramm1115 : yep
[2016-09-16 10:30:43] j8 : I'm still on mine
[2016-09-16 10:31:03] miramm1115 : oh nice, when are you coming back?
[2016-09-16 10:32:45] j8 : I'm slowly getting back into trading but still travelling for the indefinite future
[2016-09-16 10:33:43] miramm1115 : zcash is kinda hard to MM without the spot market, maybe will have to buy some OTC to hedge short position here
[2016-09-16 10:34:49] j8 : yeah, but can you even do that since they don't exist yet?
[2016-09-16 10:34:55] miramm1115 : it's nice when you can just travel indefinitely, enjoy it while you can
[2016-09-16 10:35:17] zanza : the index is .247 tho
[2016-09-16 10:35:27] zanza : no mark
[2016-09-16 10:35:35] zanza : so how are liquidation handled?
[2016-09-16 10:35:40] j8 : it's marked to last price
[2016-09-16 10:35:44] zanza : rofl
[2016-09-16 10:35:46] zanza : casino
[2016-09-16 10:35:52] haxmb : 20% LULD
[2016-09-16 10:36:14] miramm1115 : it's like a pre-order, you can buy zcash IOU from miners
[2016-09-16 10:36:27] haxmb : miramm1115: at 100x premium lol