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[2016-09-11 21:56:27] mjones : now $15 higher than where i closed
[2016-09-11 21:56:48] habibi : i love " i should have" talk
[2016-09-11 21:56:58] habibi : u should play lottery if u would know numbers.
[2016-09-11 21:57:21] mjones : i lost all my money at the casino and then i moved. so now i play btc and still lose
[2016-09-11 21:58:01] habibi : what did u expect
[2016-09-11 21:58:53] BetterNick : Your margin was pretty close already then
[2016-09-11 22:00:51] mjones : i went 50x long at $576
[2016-09-11 22:00:59] mjones : and my liquidation price kept climbing everyday
[2016-09-11 22:01:09] rapidtrades : lol @finex $611.47
[2016-09-11 22:01:13] mjones : so it was close to $585 and i was like shit i'm gonna lose it all
[2016-09-11 22:01:39] mjones : probably just a shakeout / beartrap
[2016-09-11 22:02:03] mjones : but watch fct. making moves
[2016-09-11 22:02:32] rapidtrades : was anyone long on btce mt4? want to know if u got stopped on that giant spike down
[2016-09-11 22:02:51] rapidtrades : $512 low
[2016-09-11 22:06:56] rapidtrades : those futures liqs got filled...
[2016-09-11 22:07:19] rapidtrades : and we're back above 4k
[2016-09-11 22:08:42] mjones : 512 low where
[2016-09-11 22:09:21] rapidtrades : btce mt4
[2016-09-11 22:11:52] mjones : that isnt btc-e bitcoinwisdom chart then
[2016-09-11 22:12:03] mjones : is there a chart for 512 low?
[2016-09-11 22:12:04] rapidtrades : like i said mt4
[2016-09-11 22:12:22] mjones : i thought mt4 was btc-e btc/usd
[2016-09-11 22:12:27] mjones : didnt know it was different
[2016-09-11 22:12:42] rapidtrades : n mt4 is a platorm....allows for margin trades
[2016-09-11 22:13:53] rapidtrades : technically that order should've been routed and filled on the main platform...
[2016-09-11 22:15:43] rapidtrades : dam looks like hillary is sick
[2016-09-11 22:15:54] rapidtrades : markets won't like that with elections in 2 months
[2016-09-11 22:16:11] rapidtrades : maybe that's why we crashed on friday...weird shit
[2016-09-11 22:19:40] rapidtrades : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11-EAzsGxgQ
[2016-09-11 22:21:44] mjones : ya hillary news today is lulz
[2016-09-11 22:21:58] mjones : got something that could literally kill her
[2016-09-11 22:22:31] rapidtrades : that's not good for stocks...markets all but priced in her win
[2016-09-11 22:22:41] rapidtrades : and trump's crazy like a fox
[2016-09-11 22:22:52] mjones : trump is going to bring money and jobs back to america
[2016-09-11 22:22:56] mjones : should be good for stocks
[2016-09-11 22:23:00] rapidtrades : let's see where sp500 opens
[2016-09-11 22:23:05] mjones : well those stocks that are not getting insider deals
[2016-09-11 22:24:05] rapidtrades : ell a lot of economists think protectionism caused the great depression
[2016-09-11 22:24:11] rapidtrades : so i wouldn't be so sure
[2016-09-11 22:24:41] rapidtrades : 12 hourly red bars in a row for sp500 on friday
[2016-09-11 22:28:03] jonny : maybe most that really happend to bitcoin the last weeks was one silly whale or badass with high leverage buying 5000 bitcoin ~two weeks ago, same again one week ago and selling 10000 today
[2016-09-11 22:28:53] rapidtrades : i'm sticking to my buttfinex theory :)
[2016-09-11 22:40:37] mjones : wonder why someone wanted to dump okcoin btc price 12%
[2016-09-11 22:51:39] aethlios : the news about clinton H. the same time with the dump.
[2016-09-11 22:52:52] Bacon futures trader : lol ...
[2016-09-11 23:01:04] poes : and now we wait
[2016-09-11 23:37:06] jonny : rapidtrades: how is that theory?
[2016-09-11 23:42:31] ixess : almost for sure the liquidations on okcoin at 609 caused this dip, otherwise okcoin might have gone insolvent
[2016-09-11 23:55:35] zanza : Trump president = SELL Bitcoin!
[2016-09-12 00:06:35] Rado : zanza: I think exactly the opposite
[2016-09-12 00:06:56] zanza : Trump pres = sell everything
[2016-09-12 00:26:49] miramm1115 : Trump president = hoard cash under your mattress
[2016-09-12 00:27:10] miramm1115 : stock up on guns
[2016-09-12 01:03:19] mjones : xmr back to dumping
[2016-09-12 02:17:00] laisee : XMR keeps dying
[2016-09-12 02:38:20] Rado : laisee: do you expect it to bounce?
[2016-09-12 02:38:29] Rado : needs to correct a lot more imo
[2016-09-12 02:38:52] laisee : not really, unless there is some news
[2016-09-12 02:40:27] mjones : so tired. i'm gonna miss the xmr long squeeze
[2016-09-12 02:41:02] mjones : 0.0164 is the price to break
[2016-09-12 02:41:19] laisee : just short and sleep. no worries.
[2016-09-12 02:42:20] Rado : look at long term chart
[2016-09-12 02:42:40] Rado : if it corrects 50% it will go to 0.014-0.015
[2016-09-12 02:43:41] mjones : epic 2 weeks of accumulation
[2016-09-12 02:44:04] mjones : goes up 400% and sideways for 2 weeks
[2016-09-12 03:04:09] ixess : why is the xbt index price way below every kaiko price?
[2016-09-12 03:17:41] daveberns1 : Where can I find current and historical funding rates for Xbt?
[2016-09-12 03:28:17] BitMEX_Arthur : https://www.bitmex.com/app/fundingHistory
[2016-09-12 03:32:41] ixess : BitMEX_Arthur: where is the index price coming from? it does not match kaiko
[2016-09-12 03:39:32] BitMEX_Arthur : ixess: For which product?
[2016-09-12 03:41:02] ixess : for xbt
[2016-09-12 03:41:17] ixess : xbtusd
[2016-09-12 03:44:01] BitMEX_Arthur : https://www.kaiko.com/bitmex
[2016-09-12 03:44:07] BitMEX_Arthur : I am seeing the same value
[2016-09-12 03:46:05] ixess : didn't realize bitmex used a different kaiko price. no other exchange is that low except okcoin
[2016-09-12 04:01:35] daveberns1 : BitMEX_Arthur: thx Arthur, but having serious difficulty rationalizing these rates...
[2016-09-12 04:11:35] BitMEX_Wally : daveberns1: You can see the funding calculation on the contract specification page: https://www.bitmex.com/app/contract/XBTUSD
[2016-09-12 04:28:12] daveberns1 : Yes, I know. But seriously - this contract is a fucking embarrassment
[2016-09-12 04:29:05] daveberns1 : An absolute raping and pillaging given to the innocent user
[2016-09-12 04:29:47] daveberns1 : Not necessary at all
[2016-09-12 04:30:30] daveberns1 : Perhaps if would be better and more accurate to back into this funding rate from an adjusted annualized rate
[2016-09-12 04:33:17] daveberns1 : You seriously feel okay running this thing at annualized rates of 100%++!?!!
[2016-09-12 04:33:33] daveberns1 : Thats pretty shylock
[2016-09-12 04:34:40] daveberns1 : Let's put fairness aside and focus on accuracy
[2016-09-12 04:35:04] daveberns1 : This calculation simply does not produce an accurate result
[2016-09-12 04:35:20] daveberns1 : Rant over
[2016-09-12 04:35:26] daveberns1 : Chow
[2016-09-12 04:35:55] Tetsuo : daveberns1: thanx for your funding moneeeez
[2016-09-12 04:36:30] daveberns1 : Small beans bud
[2016-09-12 04:36:51] daveberns1 : It just upsets me because this t
[2016-09-12 04:37:05] daveberns1 : This contract could be so perfect
[2016-09-12 04:41:50] miramm1115 : daveberns1: AFAIK they will change `0.05%` cut off to `0.25%`, it should help. Most likely they want to push auto-deleveraging live first to avoid DPE
[2016-09-12 05:40:10] billyboy402 : wow that liq on 30 sep fuked some one
[2016-09-12 05:40:27] billyboy402 : started at 631 finish at 545
[2016-09-12 05:42:56] billyboy402 : the bot and market maker is making this site look soo fake . the sec there a movement down they remove all orderbook and it spike down ,
[2016-09-12 05:57:13] omicron : billyboy402: what do you mean? market makers follow price, right?
[2016-09-12 05:58:11] billyboy402 : they follow price , but the TRUE order book is nothing like what is really showing . when there market movement they just remove all the order
[2016-09-12 05:58:41] omicron : ok, that just means most orders are from market makers, very few orders from real traders
[2016-09-12 05:59:35] omicron : so effectively bitmex is trading against their users
[2016-09-12 05:59:42] billyboy402 : there was 3000 contract sold and it couldnt even hold those level . price drop $30 but the liqudation finally got fill almost $100 lower
[2016-09-12 06:00:59] omicron : that sucks bro
[2016-09-12 06:01:07] billyboy402 : omicron: I am not saying that , i dont know if they are or not ,( guessing they are not) but saying that the order book get pulled to quickly and cant fill liquidation 3000 contracts is only worth $3000 or 5 BTC
[2016-09-12 06:01:46] billyboy402 : 611.67 2 05:33:22 S 615.00 1 05:32:47 S 615.60 200 05:32:47 S 617.14 123 05:32:47 S 618.05 91 05:32:47 S 620.00 1 05:32:11 S 625.00 1 05:32:11 S 627.00 400 05:32:11 S 630.00 1000 05:32:11 S 631.18 78 05:17:56 S 632.62 22 05:17:56 S 634.83 100 05:14:57 S 644.98 233 04:17:38 B
[2016-09-12 06:02:35] billyboy402 : I feel sorry for any user that is trying to get out of a postion and have to pay that huge slipage
[2016-09-12 06:02:53] billyboy402 : on such a small amount . \
[2016-09-12 06:06:36] omicron : ya. i used to trade here quite a bit but the funding/dpe etc makes it hard for me to calculate if i should take a trade or not
[2016-09-12 06:07:03] omicron : there is only one other exchange that has a perpetual contract, im trading there a bit
[2016-09-12 06:07:10] miramm1115 : billyboy402: 3000 contracts on sept is over 18 btc
[2016-09-12 06:08:04] billyboy402 : sorry arnt 1 contact = $1 USD ?
[2016-09-12 06:08:43] billyboy402 : I had 33,000 contract as it was only = about 21 BTC .
[2016-09-12 06:08:49] miramm1115 : not on september, september is quanto. my bot was very long already, couldn't absorb more than about 1k
[2016-09-12 06:09:10] omicron : oh they quantos are back?
[2016-09-12 06:09:17] omicron : great
[2016-09-12 06:09:23] miramm1115 : sept. is the last quanto
[2016-09-12 06:09:33] omicron : f_______
[2016-09-12 06:09:54] omicron : well, perpetual is good, i like it but its too complex for me
[2016-09-12 06:09:58] billyboy402 : miramm1115: sorry your right
[2016-09-12 06:10:17] omicron : i prefer the simpler contract at coinpit.io
[2016-09-12 06:11:36] billyboy402 : i still belive that a trade should go through if it less then $50 then index price
[2016-09-12 06:17:32] miramm1115 : I checked, actually my could have absorbed almost 2k at price >= spot but that liquidation didn't get that far down
[2016-09-12 06:17:42] miramm1115 : *my bot
[2016-09-12 09:07:21] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBJ24H`: Sell 100 @ 62156.0
[2016-09-12 09:43:44] aethlios : Bitmex will you let us know a few hours before the launch of zcash??? with e-mail??
[2016-09-12 09:59:35] REKT : Liquidated long on `LTCXBT`: Sell 200 @ 0.00624
[2016-09-12 10:00:25] Tetsuo : LTC / CNY new lows
[2016-09-12 10:04:51] airmike : @STRML Hi
[2016-09-12 10:06:08] miramm1115 : airmike: it's middle of the night for Sam but Wally should be here
[2016-09-12 10:07:05] airmike : thank you
[2016-09-12 10:09:55] miramm1115 : airmike: are you running your mm on xbtusd already? I see a new 4k bot and someone has been testing with 50 and now 100 quotes
[2016-09-12 10:10:26] airmike : we are on the testnet so far
[2016-09-12 10:10:40] miramm1115 : ah, ok
[2016-09-12 10:10:43] airmike : we would like to start with liquidity providing
[2016-09-12 10:11:41] airmike : I have been talking with Sam like 7 days ago and I told him about our start at 11.09
[2016-09-12 10:11:58] airmike : but it was sunday so we would like to start today
[2016-09-12 10:13:10] miramm1115 : well I don't think you need a permission to start, just deposit enough and switch to live ;-)
[2016-09-12 10:13:28] airmike : but . I need to talk with him about some tech issues first. private room should be perfect , I want to invite also one guy from IT dep.
[2016-09-12 10:14:51] airmike : Yes I know we dont need permission. but we need to solve some tech. issues before start
[2016-09-12 10:15:09] miramm1115 : ask BitMEX_Wally, he knows everything :-)
[2016-09-12 10:15:53] airmike : ok, I dont see him in here ? do I need to use trollbox ?
[2016-09-12 10:17:04] airmike : or email ?
[2016-09-12 10:17:16] BitMEX_Arthur : airmike: pls use our support@bitmex.com email to ask any questions
[2016-09-12 10:17:36] airmike : ok perfect
[2016-09-12 10:17:37] BitMEX_Arthur : especially technical connectivity questions
[2016-09-12 10:17:44] miramm1115 : email
[2016-09-12 10:51:42] Simon : Hello
[2016-09-12 10:51:55] Simon : How do I deposit usd here?
[2016-09-12 10:54:07] BitMEX_Wally : Simon: You can't. All our products are margined and settled in Bitcoin
[2016-09-12 10:54:25] Simon : Ok, I see
[2016-09-12 10:54:27] Simon : Thanks
[2016-09-12 11:20:07] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC7D`: Sell 3086 @ 0.002160
[2016-09-12 11:41:19] airmike : guys could you please check the email, thank you
[2016-09-12 11:44:36] dasdfasdf : Thought you guys deposited on 1 confirmation?
[2016-09-12 11:53:03] aethlios : okcoin manipulators don't want the bull market to begin yet, they dump every attemp to go higher
[2016-09-12 11:55:24] XMRer : I agree its all manipulated
[2016-09-12 11:55:26] miramm1115 : aethlios: not until new okc quarterly
[2016-09-12 11:56:00] aethlios : miramm1115: yes very true.
[2016-09-12 11:57:26] miramm1115 : too bad XBTU16 here will settle before that :-(
[2016-09-12 11:57:47] aethlios : This Friday I guess they start the new quarterly, and BTC0930 will be biweekly.
[2016-09-12 11:58:31] aethlios : maybe we slowly go back to 630-635 until Friday and from Saturday the fun starts.
[2016-09-12 11:59:44] miramm1115 : yes, and I hope they will pump during the first week so I get some profits from XBTU16 long :-)
[2016-09-12 12:00:13] miramm1115 : but I'm not very optimistic
[2016-09-12 15:24:27] daveberns1 : apologies for my crude rant last night, may have been a little excessive
[2016-09-12 15:28:32] dasdfasdf : okcoin
[2016-09-12 15:29:24] daveberns1 : who is this woodchipper everyone seems to discuss
[2016-09-12 15:29:39] kogroken : o k coin
[2016-09-12 15:30:00] kogroken : They have some very droll word replacement filters here
[2016-09-12 15:31:37] CaptainDean : yeah it's OK Coins :P
[2016-09-12 15:39:29] daveberns1 : ok coin bot, got it
[2016-09-12 15:41:49] daveberns1 : more questions about xbt perpet swap....
[2016-09-12 15:44:26] daveberns1 : where is the funding fee taken out of? is it accounted for in re-balance log in tx history?
[2016-09-12 15:45:28] daveberns1 : i am looking for funding fee details for my personal account
[2016-09-12 15:45:36] aethlios : zcash on testnet, 15 usd now
[2016-09-12 15:45:51] habibi : aethlios: link?
[2016-09-12 15:46:05] aethlios : https://testnet.bitmex.com/app/trade/ZECZ16
[2016-09-12 15:46:19] BitMEX_Wally : daveberns1: The funding is in your trade history as a 'Funding' exec type: https://www.bitmex.com/app/tradeHistory
[2016-09-12 15:46:28] aethlios : leverage x2
[2016-09-12 15:46:31] habibi : BitMEX_Wally: where index will be taken from for zcash?
[2016-09-12 15:46:43] BitMEX_Wally : The funding comes out of your PNL which then goes into the CashRebalance transaction
[2016-09-12 15:46:44] aethlios : 1 contract = 1 zcash
[2016-09-12 15:46:57] BitMEX_Greg : habibi: We will decide after it has started trading on the underlying spot market
[2016-09-12 15:47:09] BitMEX_Greg : We will take the most liquid exchange
[2016-09-12 15:47:11] BitMEX_Wally : habibi: In the mean time it will be marked to last, or impact mid
[2016-09-12 15:47:44] habibi : yea so 2 months from now almost, but if u wanna start this week then no index for whole that time?
[2016-09-12 15:48:02] BitMEX_Greg : Yeah, so as Wally said it will probably be marked to last or impact mid
[2016-09-12 15:48:13] BitMEX_Wally : We're going to be the only place you can trade Zcash
[2016-09-12 15:48:23] daveberns1 : BitMEX_Wally: thx Wally. So fee is charged to the leveraged holding amount?!?
[2016-09-12 15:48:30] habibi : wow, market maker will be real market mover now
[2016-09-12 15:48:34] BitMEX_Greg : We are going to probably place limits to prevent manipulation too
[2016-09-12 15:48:36] daveberns1 : omg *just fainted*
[2016-09-12 15:48:50] BitMEX_Wally : daveberns1: The funding fee is charged on the value of the position, it is paid between longs and shorts.
[2016-09-12 15:49:30] habibi : BitMEX_Wally: what if zcash start fail, then all contracts settled at 0?
[2016-09-12 15:49:35] daveberns1 : wow that thing is a true bloodsucker
[2016-09-12 15:50:00] daveberns1 : that is some straight vampire squid stuff right there
[2016-09-12 15:50:12] CaptainDean : someone buying 204k@604.07
[2016-09-12 15:52:24] aethlios : BitMEX_Wally: when it goes live? zcash, will you let us know a few hours before??
[2016-09-12 15:54:42] BitMEX_Greg : aethlios: Yeah we will let you know before we list it on the main site
[2016-09-12 15:57:16] aethlios : BitMEX_Greg: place some posts to zcash forum to attract clients, those posts have thousands of views, and many people try to close deals to buy before launch.
[2016-09-12 15:57:40] aethlios : https://forum.z.cash/
[2016-09-12 15:58:25] aethlios : https://forum.z.cash/t/buy-or-sell-zcash/1511
[2016-09-12 15:59:55] aethlios : zcash future with now index will be a speculative beast.
[2016-09-12 16:02:48] BitMEX_Greg : aethlios: Cheers, we plan to do some more marketing before the actual launch, but this is a good idea
[2016-09-12 16:03:24] habibi : BitMEX_Greg: what if zcash start fail, then all contracts settled at 0?
[2016-09-12 16:04:00] aethlios : they can extent ocntract and wait next relaunch.
[2016-09-12 16:04:09] BitMEX_Greg : habibi: They will settle at the settlement price as per the expiry date. So similar to how other alts are done
[2016-09-12 16:04:28] BitMEX_Greg : The expiry is tentatively set to Dec 16
[2016-09-12 16:04:34] BitMEX_Greg : (end Dec 2016)
[2016-09-12 16:04:50] BitMEX_Greg : Should be sufficient time for it to start trading and picking up volume given the launch late Oct
[2016-09-12 16:10:57] habibi : BitMEX_Greg: thanks
[2016-09-12 16:17:59] aethlios : BitMEX_Greg: plan is to launch this week? until Friday let's say? If you can't say it's OK!!
[2016-09-12 16:43:52] habibi : this is true trollbox, u can post any malware shit and noone will delete it from chat
[2016-09-12 16:48:25] BitMEX_Sam : Thanks habibi, we didn't notice the link
[2016-09-12 16:48:59] habibi : BitMEX_Sam: just delete it :p
[2016-09-12 16:49:11] habibi : BitMEX_Sam: nvm :)
[2016-09-12 20:32:54] Tetsuo : https://hacked.com/crypto-crooks-steal-monero-compromised-ftp-server-swarm/
[2016-09-12 21:37:00] zanza : can't believe BitFinex volume continues to increase
[2016-09-12 22:19:34] REKT : Liquidated long on `XMR7D`: Sell 100 @ 0.016976
[2016-09-12 22:28:34] REKT : Liquidated long on `XMR7D`: Sell 100 @ 0.016611
[2016-09-12 22:28:52] REKT : Liquidated long on `XMR7D`: Sell 200 @ 0.016563
[2016-09-12 23:16:07] REKT : Liquidated long on `XMR7D`: Sell 76 @ 0.016322
[2016-09-12 23:56:17] I-am-Legend : WOO REKT
[2016-09-12 23:56:41] I-am-Legend : zanza u mean bfx coin on here or something else ?
[2016-09-13 00:08:13] CaptainDean : XMR is at the limit of a crash to 0,.13x
[2016-09-13 00:08:36] CaptainDean : some light support @ 1616 (new low)
[2016-09-13 00:39:48] I-am-Legend : so rekt
[2016-09-13 00:51:50] zanza : I-am-Legend: Bitfinex total trading volume
[2016-09-13 00:52:05] I-am-Legend : why is it shocking
[2016-09-13 00:52:17] I-am-Legend : not that high
[2016-09-13 00:53:50] I-am-Legend : the token is at 57cent almost so haircut reduced to less than half & they paid out at 1$ some tokens recently so about right the volume still way lower than before hack volume
[2016-09-13 00:55:52] I-am-Legend : just long bfx token to make easy money.. who gives a crap about their volume lol
[2016-09-13 09:46:36] zanza : rapidtraders, your site is scam https://twitter.com/btcWhaleclub/status/775367333187641344
[2016-09-13 09:49:04] aethlios : nice pump 20% for lisk a few hours before.
[2016-09-13 10:31:15] aethlios : lisk to the moon.
[2016-09-13 10:41:06] aethlios : xmr looks ugly, alert for a mega dump to 0.0127 support.
[2016-09-13 12:11:24] miramm1115 : nice orderbook on bitstamp, small bear whale vs bigger bull whale ;-)
[2016-09-13 12:48:04] Boontjie : aethlios: like eth?
[2016-09-13 14:33:44] huangyong : 马上中秋节了
[2016-09-13 14:33:59] huangyong : 会不会来一波行情，没钱买月饼了
[2016-09-13 14:41:21] chromaticcr1 : 上次btcc送你粽子了，叫他們送你月餅吧
[2016-09-13 15:10:57] aethlios : Boontjie: In 2 years maybe, they have funding for 7 years at least. All the crypto market goes up, 7 coins above 100 mill. market cap.
[2016-09-13 15:23:31] Airmike : hi guys. could you please tell me where can I find rebate from all executed orders ?
[2016-09-13 15:23:54] BitMEX_Sam : Airmike: There's no aggregation, but any execution that has a negative fee is a rebate
[2016-09-13 15:24:17] Airmike : sure I see
[2016-09-13 15:24:20] Airmike : thank you
[2016-09-13 15:24:32] BitMEX_Sam : https://www.bitmex.com/app/tradeHistory will show your recent executions, you can also get that via the API at https://www.bitmex.com/api/explorer/#!/Execution/Execution_getTradeHistory
[2016-09-13 15:44:04] Airmike : BitMEX_Sam: is there any notification once I cross the API limit ?
[2016-09-13 15:44:33] huangyong : chromaticcr1: 送了，收了3盒
[2016-09-13 15:44:52] BitMEX_Sam : Airmike: Yes, you'll start getting 429 errors.
[2016-09-13 15:45:01] BitMEX_Sam : You can see your current ratelimit stats in the headers returned on every request.
[2016-09-13 15:45:23] BitMEX_Sam : If you get more than 100 4xx errors in a short time period, your IP may be banned at the proxy to prevent abuse, so keep on top of it.
[2016-09-13 15:46:22] I-am-Legend : the spread is mad
[2016-09-13 15:46:52] I-am-Legend : how do you get out or in a trade with this huge spread im stuck for weeks lol
[2016-09-13 15:52:16] BitMEX_Greg : I-am-Legend: Which product are you referring to?
[2016-09-13 15:52:59] I-am-Legend : i traded most here, bitcoin spread is ok rest have massive spread
[2016-09-13 15:53:11] I-am-Legend : would be great to get a few more market makers
[2016-09-13 16:33:59] XMRer : This is why i don't trade here as much. I love the platform but the spread and fees are killing me. If Bitmex would adjust fees and add a few more details. They would see a inflow of users
[2016-09-13 16:38:07] REKT : Liquidated short on `XMR7D`: Buy 2 @ 0.017372 :punch: :whale:
[2016-09-13 16:38:45] XMRer : XMR goes to .0187
[2016-09-13 16:39:02] REKT : Liquidated short on `XMR7D`: Buy 40 @ 0.017617
[2016-09-13 16:39:07] REKT : Liquidated short on `XMR7D`: Buy 1 @ 0.017989 :punch: :whale:
[2016-09-13 16:39:17] REKT : Liquidated short on `XMR7D`: Buy 3 @ 0.018034 :punch: :whale:
[2016-09-13 16:48:17] XMRer : reshort
[2016-09-13 16:55:29] BitMEX_Greg : XMRer: What details would you like to see?
[2016-09-13 16:55:34] HHHensen : Does anyone know if you can you open more than one bitmex account?
[2016-09-13 16:57:59] habibi : u can open up to ∞ accounts
[2016-09-13 16:58:22] HHHensen : Thanks @habibi. Can anyone from Bitmex confirm?
[2016-09-13 17:00:03] sleger : this was already confirmed a few days ago
[2016-09-13 17:00:24] lockhedge : TOS says only one account per user but they might allow to open more on an individual basis
[2016-09-13 17:01:51] lockhedge : actually one account per instrument would make sense, otherwise you could circumvent risk limits
[2016-09-13 17:06:17] HHHensen : sleger: Where, was this confirmed?
[2016-09-13 17:09:52] sleger : in the trollbox
[2016-09-13 17:09:58] sleger : by Greg
[2016-09-13 17:12:21] rapidtrades : sleger: what was confirmed? 1 per instrument?
[2016-09-13 17:12:31] lockhedge : "You are only permitted to open one individual account with BitMEX. Please contact us directly if you require a corporate account with separate sub-accounts for your traders." https://www.bitmex.com/app/terms
[2016-09-13 17:12:39] sleger : as many as you want
[2016-09-13 17:12:51] lockhedge : you have to contact them and ask for permission individually
[2016-09-13 17:13:46] rapidtrades : sleger: any progress in getting ur money out of buttfinex
[2016-09-13 17:13:46] BitMEX_Greg : HHHensen: Hi yes you can
[2016-09-13 17:14:26] HHHensen : Thanks Greg.
[2016-09-13 17:15:09] HHHensen : What happened to the volume on xbt?
[2016-09-13 17:15:57] BitMEX_Greg : HHHensen: on XBTUSD?
[2016-09-13 17:16:01] HHHensen : yes
[2016-09-13 17:16:12] HHHensen : used to be 5k-8k last days
[2016-09-13 17:16:13] HHHensen : right?
[2016-09-13 17:16:27] BitMEX_Greg : Volume dropping off a bit with the lack of vol
[2016-09-13 17:19:09] HHHensen : allright, probably it'l come back...
[2016-09-13 17:30:37] XMRer : gotta lower the fees and Instant withdrawal. Or at least process withdrawal more than once a day. Also add more coins
[2016-09-13 17:33:37] BitMEX_Greg : What coins would you like to see?
[2016-09-13 17:33:56] BitMEX_Greg : We do the withdrawals once a day given we have a cold offline style wallet for security purposes
[2016-09-13 17:34:27] BitMEX_Greg : Also if the taker fees are too high for you, you can submit limit maker orders and earn the rebate
[2016-09-13 17:42:44] sleger : yeah, like if that would actually work
[2016-09-13 17:43:18] BitMEX_Greg : Can try to place a limit bid 1 tick away from best ask
[2016-09-13 17:44:51] sleger : and you'll get filled once the price has moved enough against you and the MM is crossing you.
[2016-09-13 17:46:25] BitMEX_Greg : Then monitor the order and cancel if you see the index price start to differ from mid
[2016-09-13 17:46:34] sleger : I have spent the last 5 h putting offers at or below index price on ETH and I usually get done when the price has moved against me.
[2016-09-13 17:47:24] sleger : what you're suggesting is time consuming, then you should offer a way for the user to have it done algorithmicly for him
[2016-09-13 17:52:03] rapidtrades : sleger: what happened to ur bots
[2016-09-13 17:52:41] sleger : after the 10k "incident" I said I would limit my trading to 10% and not use any bots here unless they repaid me.
[2016-09-13 18:25:56] aethlios : finex pump to 640
[2016-09-13 18:30:12] Martinos : Nice
[2016-09-13 18:30:42] aethlios : and bfx avove 0.60 soon????
[2016-09-13 18:31:23] Martinos : Who knows haah
[2016-09-13 18:31:50] Tetsuo : lol, nice spike
[2016-09-13 18:34:04] Martinos : hmm doesnt look like its going up
[2016-09-13 18:34:39] Martinos : hmm maybe it is
[2016-09-13 18:35:07] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 18 @ 0.01965
[2016-09-13 18:36:54] aethlios : someone market bought 1000 coins in finex
[2016-09-13 18:41:57] aethlios : stocks going to dogshit.
[2016-09-13 18:42:38] aethlios : bonds also going down and yields rise.
[2016-09-13 18:47:52] I-am-Legend : REKT LOL
[2016-09-13 18:49:28] rapidtrades : aethlios: smone desperate to get out fast?
[2016-09-13 19:11:48] aethlios : out of finrx?
[2016-09-13 19:12:19] aethlios : finex if fine, volume ok and soon bfx above 1
[2016-09-13 19:34:14] Tetsuo : http://bitcoinist.net/okcoin-blame-bitcoin-price-fall/
[2016-09-13 19:45:54] sleger : that article is just stupid
[2016-09-13 19:52:17] REKT : Liquidated long on `FCTXBT`: Sell 500 @ 0.005413
[2016-09-13 19:55:48] sleger : Finally got rid of all my ETH here "Today, longs will pay 0.3535%"
[2016-09-13 19:56:53] sleger : and "Predicted Funding Rate 0.2935%"
[2016-09-13 19:57:21] Tetsuo : i´m going to collect the funding in a few minutes :-)
[2016-09-13 19:59:22] REKT : Liquidated long on `FCTXBT`: Sell 88 @ 0.005352
[2016-09-13 20:00:02] zanza : sounds like a great way to make money shorting sleger
[2016-09-13 20:00:20] Tetsuo : ka-ching
[2016-09-13 20:01:29] Tetsuo : liquidity and spread are quite a problem if you wan´t to make real money with the funding business in here, at least in alts
[2016-09-13 20:02:25] aethlios : my too, short 6500 eth many weeks now, stable positive premium for shorts. hedged 6500 spot on polo.
[2016-09-13 20:03:06] sleger : i was long 10k eth and for a while funding made me money but recently it changed so im out. Not gonna short it here though
[2016-09-13 20:03:29] zanza : Monero master race, ETH going down
[2016-09-13 20:03:31] Tetsuo : i never understood why the funding was that high in a sideways/downards market@ETH
[2016-09-13 20:05:54] sleger : because the MM makes money manipulating it
[2016-09-13 20:06:17] sleger : and the formula is stupid like your article
[2016-09-13 20:08:49] zanza : http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-09-13/troubling-development-interactive-brokers-implements-price-caps-are-trade-controls-n
[2016-09-13 20:09:41] zanza : shouldn't it be very profitable to simply short ETH then and collect the funding ?
[2016-09-13 20:09:53] zanza : 0 sum game
[2016-09-13 20:11:34] sleger : funding might invert iin 2 days
[2016-09-13 20:31:57] aethlios : okcoin doesn't want up yet. they dump 000's of contracts and because of arb other markets go down.
[2016-09-13 20:42:34] mjones : xmr dump
[2016-09-13 21:26:26] mjones : hope that xmr whale is happy. bought all that xmr and price back to where it started
[2016-09-13 21:33:32] Tetsuo : Lol, XMR rollercoaster
[2016-09-13 21:34:59] Tetsuo : just like BTC in th eold days
[2016-09-13 21:40:27] rapidtrades : xmr looks done
[2016-09-13 21:52:04] zanza : Burst Coin looking good
[2016-09-13 21:52:05] zanza : any plans to list?
[2016-09-13 22:04:20] BitMEX_Greg : No plans, but will keep an eye on it
[2016-09-13 22:23:13] aethlios : really shity okcoin dumping
[2016-09-13 22:39:31] muirtastic : I don't get all this love for the crappy BFX token. I wonder if Bitfinex mgmt and minions are manipulating it upwards or if people are stupid or if they just know more than I do
[2016-09-13 22:45:12] Kalman : muirtastic: announcement expected today?!
[2016-09-13 22:45:47] muirtastic : it's probably that bnktothefuture announcement with trading the tokens for equity...still a ripoff, but some people will fall fo rit
[2016-09-13 22:51:30] aethlios : after the announcement bfx will be like a stock, so could go above 1 if the management values bitfinex below 150 to 200 mill.
[2016-09-13 22:58:42] muirtastic : management can value Bitfinex at whatever they want. But yes I suppose if they made it worth less, you get more of a cut of the company. But still don't see how it would be that valuable considering their track record and volume.
[2016-09-13 23:59:31] mjones : damn xmr pumping again. it gets knocked down and someone throws a few thousand btc back into it
[2016-09-14 00:00:35] mjones : wonder if this is turning around and heading back up
[2016-09-14 07:58:03] Boontjie : muirtastic: you realise if they redeem those tokens for stock, you get dividends right
[2016-09-14 09:08:31] I-am-Legend : muirtastic: stop speculating rubbish without any facts.. sound like a reddit troll
[2016-09-14 09:08:38] Airmike : I wrote an analysis about bitfinex few days ago. if you are interested here is the link https://steemit.com/bitcoin/@airmike/bitfinex-bfx
[2016-09-14 09:20:19] jordy : why my withdrawal is being cancelled ?
[2016-09-14 09:20:31] jordy : what is the time for the next patch of withdrawal?
[2016-09-14 09:20:52] jose : did you confirmed the withdrawal via email ?
[2016-09-14 09:21:59] I-am-Legend : would be cool if we could sell or buy btc here with $
[2016-09-14 09:22:09] I-am-Legend : so dont have to send money to another exchange
[2016-09-14 09:22:15] jordy : yes I did
[2016-09-14 09:23:04] I-am-Legend : classy is going to get pumped some signs already
[2016-09-14 09:23:12] I-am-Legend : this is bottom
[2016-09-14 09:24:18] jordy : what is the time for the next withdraw?
[2016-09-14 09:24:29] jordy : once per day , bitmex staff ?
[2016-09-14 09:26:33] I-am-Legend : yeah jordy better for security only once a day
[2016-09-14 09:30:46] Tetsuo : crypowat.ch down for anyone?
[2016-09-14 09:32:44] Tetsuo : nevermind, works again
[2016-09-14 09:35:46] BitMEX_Wally : jordy: Withdrawals will be processed in 3 hours 24 minutes time
[2016-09-14 09:35:48] aethlios : finex new pump
[2016-09-14 09:42:00] aethlios : finex pumpers VS okcoin dumpers.
[2016-09-14 09:52:48] I-am-Legend : dont need much to get finex moving
[2016-09-14 09:52:50] I-am-Legend : books thin
[2016-09-14 09:53:29] I-am-Legend : if finex leads just short it
[2016-09-14 09:53:36] I-am-Legend : need china to lead as always
[2016-09-14 09:54:25] XMRer : hey all
[2016-09-14 09:55:19] I-am-Legend : short xmr
[2016-09-14 10:56:00] I-am-Legend : BTC cant seem to break these levels
[2016-09-14 10:56:13] I-am-Legend : looks like we are going down to test 600
[2016-09-14 11:12:28] aethlios : if Trump wins, Le Pen is next in France, eurozone will finish, italian baning and european banking crisis and recession. It will be a domino started with Brexit, globalization's defeat and back to more national policies.
[2016-09-14 11:22:59] aethlios : http://buy.zeropond.com/
[2016-09-14 11:28:42] I-am-Legend : who is pumping bfxcoin 59 cent gone
[2016-09-14 12:32:02] XMRer : you really got to get some volume going on here.
[2016-09-14 12:43:00] Kalman : XMRer: waiting for bitfinex announcement ...
[2016-09-14 12:45:20] XMRer : when is it?
[2016-09-14 12:57:44] Kalman : supposedly today, chk their anouncements
[2016-09-14 13:00:40] rapidtrades : is there a way to check open court cases against bitfinex?
[2016-09-14 13:00:46] rapidtrades : anyone here from HK
[2016-09-14 13:03:19] BitMEX_Wally : rapidtrades: Check D-Law: https://www.d-law.com
[2016-09-14 13:10:50] BitMEX_Wally : rapidtrades: Nothing since Bitmain sued them in 2015
[2016-09-14 13:49:33] Kalman : [–]zanetackett 21 points 2 days ago In case anybody received an update from Bitfinexlaswuit.com making any claims as to reimbursement, it is completely erroneous. They have been trying to scam people and have successfully had some people send bitcoin and identifying documents (passports/ids) only to never hear back from them. Please be careful when hearing anything that isn't coming directly from us.
[2016-09-14 13:50:04] BitMEX_Wally : Yep, advanced fee fraud
[2016-09-14 13:50:36] BitMEX_Wally : "Pay us 200 USD via Bitcoin and we'll get you 100% reimbursement"
[2016-09-14 13:50:53] habibi : didn't zanza introduced this site saying " my page is ready *link* " ?
[2016-09-14 13:51:08] Kalman : https://who.is/whois/bitfinexlawsuit.com
[2016-09-14 13:51:28] BetterNick : Oh shit sorry?
[2016-09-14 13:52:04] Tetsuo : thx zanza and rapidtrades for scammin everyone, nice work
[2016-09-14 13:52:32] BitMEX_Sam : Yes, absolutely a scam, stay away.
[2016-09-14 13:52:39] BitMEX_Wally : Not their fault, we only found out yesterday
[2016-09-14 13:52:42] habibi : i am not sure tho, bitmex stuff would need to check it in chat logs, it was few weeks ago
[2016-09-14 13:52:43] BetterNick : Can I remove the link?
[2016-09-14 13:53:09] BetterNick : Or could anyone please? I'd hate to cause someone to lose moneybecause I posted this?
[2016-09-14 13:53:16] BitMEX_Wally : BetterNick: Don't worry about it, anyone reading this history will know it's a scam
[2016-09-14 13:53:20] BitMEX_Wally : I'll delete your message anyway
[2016-09-14 13:53:29] BetterNick : I appreciate it
[2016-09-14 14:15:47] rapidtrades : BitMEX_Wally: pretty much called it from the start when it was posted on ur sub
[2016-09-14 14:16:10] rapidtrades : https://www.reddit.com/r/bitfinexcal/comments/4yahiu/someone_set_up_a_website_asking_bitfinex_users_to/
[2016-09-14 14:16:38] rapidtrades : warned ppl about it back then...i suspect bitfinex set it up to confuse ppl
[2016-09-14 14:16:54] rapidtrades : i don't anyone is stupid enough to send them money as finex claims
[2016-09-14 14:17:27] rapidtrades : i doubt* not dont
[2016-09-14 14:18:50] rapidtrades : and zanza was joking when he said he made it....he's a bit of a tard
[2016-09-14 15:04:52] REKT : Liquidated short on `FCTXBT`: Buy 200 @ 0.005974
[2016-09-14 15:58:24] aethlios : I guess bitfinex is behind Hillary's collapse to pump btc and exit their scam.....
[2016-09-14 16:50:49] XMRer : huh?
[2016-09-14 19:23:07] REKT : Liquidated long on `FCTXBT`: Sell 500 @ 0.005660
[2016-09-14 19:33:12] aethlios : 15th sept. in Hong Kong already. if bfx nes are good, could see a btc pump also??
[2016-09-14 19:33:50] aethlios : will bfx rally above 1 after the announcement?? too many ???
[2016-09-14 19:35:19] Martinos : is there good news?
[2016-09-14 19:36:04] Tetsuo : Bitfinex has always been a steady source for good news!
[2016-09-14 19:40:42] aethlios : if they value the company around 150 mill. so give 45% to bfx holders, I believe the market will value bfx above 250. The stock will offer major trading fees. with 250 market cap and 150 mill, stocks, this means a bfx coin of 1.65 usd price.
[2016-09-14 19:43:19] aethlios : But bitfinex should be more flexible, haven't add XMR yet, will they add Zcash from 1st day?? Or all fees will go to poloniex?? They delisted dash before the rally.
[2016-09-14 19:44:30] aethlios : they need to become more like polo in a higher level. Keep 10 high value and perspective coins, usd btc market, margin also.
[2016-09-14 19:47:36] migz : i still wonder when you got liquidated, they sell your coins at the lowest price even though it sold for the actual liqudated price. Fishy.
[2016-09-14 19:59:38] aethlios : above 0.60, close to news....
[2016-09-14 20:00:42] I-am-Legend : mental
[2016-09-14 20:00:46] I-am-Legend : wat news ?
[2016-09-14 20:01:01] I-am-Legend : when is the news out ?
[2016-09-14 20:01:23] aethlios : bitfinex news 15 sept. the terms to exchange bfx to equity
[2016-09-14 20:02:28] I-am-Legend : where will the terms be published ?
[2016-09-14 20:02:54] I-am-Legend : why would it pump based on the speculation?
[2016-09-14 20:02:59] I-am-Legend : there is no news yet?
[2016-09-14 20:03:13] I-am-Legend : how do they know terms will be good ?
[2016-09-14 20:03:20] I-am-Legend : maybe terrible terms lol
[2016-09-14 20:03:50] aethlios : I-am-Legend: because a stock has no 1 usd cap, I guess bitfiex will post announcement on the site, down announcements tab.
[2016-09-14 20:04:14] I-am-Legend : it does have 1 usd cap
[2016-09-14 20:04:17] aethlios : speculation or insiders already know.
[2016-09-14 20:04:26] I-am-Legend : the debt has 1 $ cap
[2016-09-14 20:04:46] I-am-Legend : i guess when you turn that debt to equity there will be no cap
[2016-09-14 20:04:50] I-am-Legend : like you said
[2016-09-14 20:05:06] Tetsuo : hopium probably already priced in, i expect a crash on news
[2016-09-14 20:05:20] aethlios : I-am-Legend: bfx has, but the stock has not 1 usd cap, after the announcement the bfx stops to be a debt coin, it will have an option added to it to exchange it for stocks.
[2016-09-14 20:05:40] I-am-Legend : cant crash when they are paying out 1$ monthly .. your getting almost double ur money
[2016-09-14 20:06:27] I-am-Legend : on that bank of futures site right ?
[2016-09-14 20:06:47] arbitrage001 : people think bfx management will be generous and reward small shareholders?
[2016-09-14 20:06:50] Tetsuo : Lol, when was the last time Bitfinex has done anything in favor of their customers? ?
[2016-09-14 20:07:06] arbitrage001 : anyone thinking this way done any charity lately?
[2016-09-14 20:08:00] I-am-Legend : Tetsuo: they didnt liquidate that was the biggest favor they did returning funds
[2016-09-14 20:08:12] aethlios : we have to now the magic number: what % of the company the bfx holders will get, so then we have an estimation of what is the value of finex based on managment opinion, and then the market will value bitfinex above or below. But bfx as a stock can attract investors to accumulate and increase their % in the company's board.
[2016-09-14 20:09:31] arbitrage001 : aethlios: if you are pre-hack owners, will you set policy in favor on post-hack shareholders?
[2016-09-14 20:11:09] aethlios : arbitrage001: better have less of somethong valuable and alive, than own a hole dead cat.
[2016-09-14 20:13:32] arbitrage001 : yes, but you were implying they will set valuation so low the token will value above 1 usd
[2016-09-14 20:13:46] rapidtrades : aethlios: there will be no company 'board' because its not an actual stock
[2016-09-14 20:14:05] arbitrage001 : there were already speculation bfx valuing themselves at 200m
[2016-09-14 20:14:15] arbitrage001 : which make it an extremely bad investment
[2016-09-14 20:14:19] rapidtrades : u ppl deserve to lose every penny just like those DAO idiots
[2016-09-14 20:14:43] arbitrage001 : rapidtrades: i will hold token and get out at 1 usd
[2016-09-14 20:14:55] arbitrage001 : not exchanging for equity
[2016-09-14 20:15:08] aethlios : wait for the news and we talk again with our analysis.
[2016-09-14 20:15:29] arbitrage001 : aethlios: right, no point to argue now
[2016-09-14 20:15:42] aethlios : arbitrage001: price could be above 1 during the exchange period
[2016-09-14 20:16:05] aethlios : so don't place a 1 usd limit order.
[2016-09-14 20:16:57] arbitrage001 : i will be happy to get out at 0.8 today actually
[2016-09-14 20:17:17] arbitrage001 : maybe change my opinion after they release more detail
[2016-09-14 20:17:22] aethlios : arbitrage001: just wait, don't get hurry.
[2016-09-14 20:19:23] rapidtrades : there's no reason it should be at 61 cents, its a ticking time bomb
[2016-09-14 20:20:01] arbitrage001 : rapidtrades: there is also no reason btc at current price
[2016-09-14 20:20:18] arbitrage001 : or all the alt coin valuing themselves so high
[2016-09-14 20:20:38] rapidtrades : u have been warned
[2016-09-14 20:20:44] rapidtrades : u can't fix stupid
[2016-09-14 20:21:00] aethlios : rapidtrades: sold at 0.30???
[2016-09-14 20:21:28] arbitrage001 : i bought a lot in the .3 range
[2016-09-14 20:22:04] rapidtrades : aethlios: ur retarded
[2016-09-14 20:23:03] habibi : rapidtrades: u should be happy, ur hair cut is now only 14% instead 36%
[2016-09-14 20:23:09] aethlios : rapidtrades: ok tell us what price you sold? you had money of finex. Why you don't tell?? If you keeped the coins why you say others to sell now or regret??
[2016-09-14 20:23:39] habibi : aethlios: its called pita
[2016-09-14 20:26:39] mjones : why does english = british flag
[2016-09-14 20:28:27] mjones : i guess i'll be able to live with it
[2016-09-14 20:39:02] Tetsuo : An Alphabay exit scam sure would provide a nice monero crash. They are already overdue.
[2016-09-14 21:18:41] Samirum : 1
[2016-09-14 21:26:41] habibi : BitMEX_Sam: any eta on zcash launch here?
[2016-09-14 21:26:51] BitMEX_Sam : habibi: The plan is tomorrow.
[2016-09-14 21:27:15] habibi : great, thanks
[2016-09-14 21:47:00] tankboy : oh my
[2016-09-14 21:47:13] tankboy : zcash coming
[2016-09-14 21:49:44] BitMEX_Sam : It will be a very simple product, 2x max, marked to LastPrice as there isn't any underlying market.
[2016-09-14 21:49:59] BitMEX_Sam : It'll settle end of Dec and we'll mark it to the #1 spot market at the time.
[2016-09-14 21:54:27] aethlios : So traders where do you estimate the price will be for zcash??
[2016-09-14 21:54:51] habibi : depends when major exchanges will add it like polo
[2016-09-14 21:55:06] habibi : if within first 30 days price can spike a lot due to low mining supply in that itme
[2016-09-14 21:55:10] habibi : 34* days
[2016-09-14 21:56:51] BitMEX_Sam : Yep, https://github.com/zcash/zcash/issues/762#issuecomment-213658623
[2016-09-14 21:57:08] arti : hey, how will zcash be traded here if it's not even launched?
[2016-09-14 21:57:14] tankboy : how much expect price ?
[2016-09-14 22:02:05] aethlios : I think could see 50 to 70 usd in spot first 3 days, because of hype, huge demand and no supply, but here the price will be the expected price at late dec. so could spot trade 50 and bitmex 25 or 30.
[2016-09-14 22:04:39] aethlios : now the market leaves the xmr hype period and enters the zcash hyped period. xmr could be going down because of zcash for next 3 months.
[2016-09-14 22:05:27] arti : no way, xmr hypo goes into xrp one
[2016-09-14 22:07:45] cryptotroller : What happen when real zcash is out?
[2016-09-14 22:18:39] BitMEX_Sam : arti: It's a future that expires on the zcash price at the end of Dec. We will expire it on the price at the most liquid market.
[2016-09-14 22:20:16] BitMEX_Sam : When real zcash is out, we will take some time to ascertain what the most stable market is, and we will mark the contract to that index + basis after a grace period.
[2016-09-14 22:20:57] zanza : Did they just add arrows to the browers window header?
[2016-09-14 22:22:16] miramm1115 : Chinese is live, yeah!
[2016-09-14 22:22:52] zanza : https://bfxdata.com/sentiment/longshort.php
[2016-09-14 22:23:01] zanza : wow Finex is at 20% precrash levels