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[2016-09-08 00:34:31] rapidtrades : so do i go up to read it?
[2016-09-08 00:35:32] rapidtrades : wait u want a new longterm future
[2016-09-08 00:35:43] sleger : Regarding the rates, I'm saying if I want to take a long position (1y) long, it will be cheaper using traditional quaterly futures
[2016-09-08 00:36:13] sleger : rapidtrades: yes, I mean I have them today, but i like to spread my positions/risks across exchanges
[2016-09-08 00:36:39] rapidtrades : idk, i kinda want the old days back
[2016-09-08 00:36:50] rapidtrades : when this was arbitrage central
[2016-09-08 00:37:17] BitMEX_Arthur : As much as I would love to create an exchange for more experienced traders, we tried that for 9 months and it was a failure
[2016-09-08 00:37:48] BitMEX_Arthur : The speculators want leverage and we are determined to give that to them, and we will keep tinkering around with maturities, swaps, and anything else to deliver it to them
[2016-09-08 00:37:50] sleger : as in the volume on xbt now is much higher than it was ?
[2016-09-08 00:38:09] Toranaga : hi, is the site in GMT? next funding shows 00:00:0 .. in how many hours is that?
[2016-09-08 00:38:26] BitMEX_Arthur : During the pump in the spring the volumes were very good, when vol died on Bitcoin not so much, but then again we have a bunch of alts to make up the slack
[2016-09-08 00:38:36] rapidtrades : next funding is in 3:30h @Toranaga
[2016-09-08 00:38:45] rapidtrades : so 4 gmt i think
[2016-09-08 00:38:55] rapidtrades : not sure cos i don't f*cking live in GMT
[2016-09-08 00:38:59] rapidtrades : and noone does
[2016-09-08 00:39:00] Toranaga : so Eastern time, thats great thank you :)
[2016-09-08 00:39:21] rapidtrades : yeah that would be 00 EST
[2016-09-08 00:39:25] BitMEX_Arthur : Now if I had 10 mm willing to step up and make deep markets on a full curve of quanto futures out to a year, i would list them, but that has never been the case
[2016-09-08 00:39:28] rapidtrades : must be ur computer settings
[2016-09-08 00:39:44] rapidtrades : BitMEX_Arthur: give us just one
[2016-09-08 00:39:46] rapidtrades : 3 month
[2016-09-08 00:39:50] sleger : BitMEX_Arthur: right now, im just talking about having a 1 or 3 month future on eth
[2016-09-08 00:39:55] BitMEX_Arthur : You had XBTU16 it isn't trading
[2016-09-08 00:40:05] Toranaga : BitMEX_Arthur: when you say quanto, whats that?
[2016-09-08 00:40:17] rapidtrades : it's basically spot now, no point @BitMEX_Arthur
[2016-09-08 00:40:23] BitMEX_Arthur : Toranaga: https://www.bitmex.com/app/quantoVsInverse
[2016-09-08 00:40:26] BitMEX_Arthur : Take a read
[2016-09-08 00:40:28] rapidtrades : i trade it when it was far out
[2016-09-08 00:40:34] Toranaga : thx
[2016-09-08 00:40:40] BitMEX_Arthur : rapidtrades: Ofc you would take prices but someone has to make them
[2016-09-08 00:40:49] BitMEX_Arthur : Who wants to take 1yr XBT gamma
[2016-09-08 00:40:52] BitMEX_Arthur : don't see many hands
[2016-09-08 00:41:10] rapidtrades : talking about 3m
[2016-09-08 00:41:19] BitMEX_Arthur : Even that is tough, look at XBTU16
[2016-09-08 00:41:31] rapidtrades : it's not that bad
[2016-09-08 00:41:43] rapidtrades : u just gotta pick ur spots
[2016-09-08 00:42:01] BitMEX_Arthur : Then I challenge you to put up a 10 XBT per side market 10bps wide 24/7 on a qrtly quanto contract
[2016-09-08 00:42:06] rapidtrades : u have bigger spread on many alts
[2016-09-08 00:42:14] BitMEX_Arthur : Yeah but the vol is much higher
[2016-09-08 00:42:24] sleger : eth has 1% spread, the vol isnt higher
[2016-09-08 00:42:28] BitMEX_Arthur : And punters don't care about a 1% spread when the thing doubles in a aday
[2016-09-08 00:42:42] BitMEX_Arthur : sleger: Then make it tighter
[2016-09-08 00:43:04] sleger : i want to be long, not be a market maker
[2016-09-08 00:43:13] rapidtrades : adding a 3m quanto doesn't cost u antyhing....like u said it doesn't trade much so it's not taking away liquidity from the swap
[2016-09-08 00:43:27] BitMEX_Arthur : rapidtrades: It costs us support tickets asking wtf it is
[2016-09-08 00:43:29] BitMEX_Arthur : and what is quanto
[2016-09-08 00:43:34] BitMEX_Arthur : and why the price is different
[2016-09-08 00:43:39] BitMEX_Arthur : than other similar contracts
[2016-09-08 00:43:47] rapidtrades : just tell them to f*ck off
[2016-09-08 00:43:53] BitMEX_Arthur : haha I can't really do that
[2016-09-08 00:44:05] rapidtrades : that's what i got when i was first here
[2016-09-08 00:44:12] rapidtrades : read the help etc
[2016-09-08 00:44:16] rapidtrades : learn to read etc
[2016-09-08 00:44:33] micmix : I agree with Arthur, MMing on quanto is tough. The best I can do is 2% spread when it's far out
[2016-09-08 00:44:52] sleger : im not even asking for quanto
[2016-09-08 00:45:01] BitMEX_Arthur : then trade XBJ
[2016-09-08 00:45:08] micmix : and even with that spread only like 2-3 coins per side
[2016-09-08 00:45:13] BitMEX_Arthur : get an account with Quoine, trading spot is free
[2016-09-08 00:45:24] BitMEX_Arthur : You can do all your arbs much cheaper than on XBT/USD markets
[2016-09-08 00:45:29] sleger : i dont want japanese currencies, i only want their sushis
[2016-09-08 00:45:34] BitMEX_Arthur : haha
[2016-09-08 00:46:12] rapidtrades : BitMEX_Arthur: do u think the swap was a success?
[2016-09-08 00:46:12] sleger : whatever, in the end the customer is always right
[2016-09-08 00:47:06] sleger : many (more and more) people complain about funding fee, because it's high, unpredictable etc... and that causes problems to keep positions. Maybe you dont want the business of people who keep open positions for a while, like i intended to do on eth. But for those people the swap doesnt work
[2016-09-08 00:47:09] BitMEX_Arthur : rapidtrades: I would not call it a success yet, we will see what happens when we introduce auto deleveraging
[2016-09-08 00:48:48] rapidtrades : i kinda get sleger point, it's hard to keep positions on swaps without jumping in/out
[2016-09-08 00:48:59] MrRGnome : For what it's worth I agree with @sleger, the current platform makes it difficult to quantify risk with long term positions and I would like to change back to how it was.
[2016-09-08 00:49:23] rapidtrades : tbh almost noone liked the swap when it first came out
[2016-09-08 00:49:24] micmix : swap in its current form is not suitable for long-term positions bc funding is unpredictable, especially on alts.
[2016-09-08 00:49:58] rapidtrades : i think ppl don't like it now either, they're just tolerating it
[2016-09-08 00:50:07] micmix : I can bet that majority of ppl who keep long-term positions don't understand funding costs
[2016-09-08 00:50:54] micmix : swap is good for scalpers who trade couple times per day and that's about it
[2016-09-08 00:51:26] sleger : indeed, but maybe that's the customers they are interested in, because they churn more volume and dont hurt the MM
[2016-09-08 00:52:34] rapidtrades : i'm always for new products so let sleger have his eth future
[2016-09-08 00:55:14] rapidtrades : micmix: ur a MM right...do the funding costs make it hard to operate?
[2016-09-08 01:03:12] rapidtrades : sleger: why are u bullish on ETH?
[2016-09-08 01:03:40] sleger : like nip didnt say, because it will go up
[2016-09-08 01:04:39] sleger : i'm long btc and eth
[2016-09-08 01:07:20] rapidtrades : any reason besides faith
[2016-09-08 01:08:04] sleger : they both will add more value to the world
[2016-09-08 01:08:13] sleger : esp eth
[2016-09-08 01:08:52] BitMEX_Arthur : sleger: what's your view Monero and Zcash
[2016-09-08 01:09:19] rapidtrades : sleger: and what value would that be
[2016-09-08 01:10:43] micmix : rapidtrades: funding doesn't make MMing hard, you just have to take it into account when setting prices. but it makes running directional algos that take long-term view impossible bc costs are unpredictable
[2016-09-08 01:11:58] rapidtrades : micmix: how is that different from say using okc futures? there too the premium/discount is not constant
[2016-09-08 01:13:06] micmix : on futures you know the premium/discount when you enter position, it's fixed cost
[2016-09-08 01:13:38] BitMEX_Arthur : micmix: If you are purely directional you still have basis risk
[2016-09-08 01:13:51] micmix : it's like fixed interest rates vs variable interest rates
[2016-09-08 01:14:11] BitMEX_Arthur : I agree, but in terms of variation margin the basis does have impact if you are not willing to top up losses
[2016-09-08 01:14:14] BitMEX_Arthur : to avoid being margin called
[2016-09-08 01:15:39] rapidtrades : micmix: ah right
[2016-09-08 01:15:47] micmix : for purely directional yes, but with fixed costs it's so much easier to manage
[2016-09-08 01:16:38] micmix : you can top up and hedge with known costs
[2016-09-08 01:17:00] rapidtrades : micmix: do u keep track of the average cost of the funding? or anyone else
[2016-09-08 01:23:54] Toranaga : BitMEX_Arthur: in XBTUSD Contract Details Funding says: 0.0091% in 2 hours - however in More Details, Predicted Funding Rate says: -0.2454%. Would the -0.2454% be for the run after the 0.0091% ?
[2016-09-08 01:24:50] Toranaga : **correction: 0.0091% is in 3 hours
[2016-09-08 01:25:23] rapidtrades : Toranaga: yes
[2016-09-08 01:25:37] Toranaga : cool, cheers
[2016-09-08 01:26:09] Toranaga : so longs get 0.2454%. not bad
[2016-09-08 01:28:22] Toranaga : rapidtrades: is 0.0091 to -0.2454 in 8 hours fairly common?
[2016-09-08 01:39:22] investor : eyes on ETC for long
[2016-09-08 01:48:36] mjones : good eye investor. looks like all fear of ETC dumpage is over and everyone that wanted out got out
[2016-09-08 01:49:13] mjones : 3 days of sideways just about in ETC land
[2016-09-08 01:52:04] investor : mjones: lets see :)
[2016-09-08 01:57:24] mjones : yeah. maybe BTC will pop another 5% soon and knock every alt down again
[2016-09-08 01:58:42] rapidtrades : BTC aint going anywhere until buttfinex is solved
[2016-09-08 01:59:21] Rado : rapidtrades: yes it is
[2016-09-08 01:59:25] mjones : bitfinex is ready to blow the top off and moon but china whales doing all they can to stop the pump
[2016-09-08 01:59:40] Rado : buttfinex doesn't matter anymore
[2016-09-08 01:59:48] Rado : BTC will go up because of demand
[2016-09-08 01:59:48] mjones : someone keeps selling thousands of BTC to keep price under 4100 CNY lolol
[2016-09-08 02:00:10] Rado : no one can hold it
[2016-09-08 02:00:16] Rado : same with Gold and Silver
[2016-09-08 02:00:33] Rado : too much fiat paper that needs to go somewhere
[2016-09-08 02:07:58] rapidtrades : trying to fundamental crypto is like pissing in the wind
[2016-09-08 02:08:21] rapidtrades : even if u get it right sometimes, eventually you will end up with piss on ur face
[2016-09-08 02:16:19] Rado : rapidtrades: he he, so true
[2016-09-08 02:21:18] MrRGnome : IMO the problem is crypto fundamentals don't dictate price, just a soft floor. It's an entirely speculation driven asset, I think it is easier to read those through sentiment analysis.
[2016-09-08 02:34:55] Rado : MrRGnome: speculation?
[2016-09-08 02:36:00] Rado : I don't know about you, but I am not speculating with bitcoin. It's a long term investment for me.
[2016-09-08 02:40:39] MrRGnome : Rado: I think most of us here are long term btc bulls, but just to play devils advocate - how do you know the price of bitcoin will hold into the future through the term of your investment? That's speculative/
[2016-09-08 02:41:52] Rado : then every single investment is speculative
[2016-09-08 02:43:08] Rado : you don't know if the stock market will crash . Any investment is not save
[2016-09-08 02:43:22] Rado : even bonds are in a huge bubble and will crash really hard soon
[2016-09-08 02:43:25] MrRGnome : I can't look at the fundamentals, the amount of btc being created, the cost in electricity for miners to mine it. Those are fundamental and quantifiable things that measure a minimum floor to bitcoins value. Demand for various use cases such as store of wealth is a fundamental sure, but when the amount of bitcoins going through exchanges every day dwarfs the total supply of btcthat to me indicates that bitcoin price is determined primarily from speculation on exchange balances.
[2016-09-08 02:44:49] MrRGnome : I'm not trying to make the case for btc or against it, I just believe the evidence indicates that it's a speculative asset. There are many many speculative assets, entire markets of them. BTC is just another one IMO.
[2016-09-08 02:44:49] Rado : The exchange can only trade bitcoin if a user wants to buy or sell them
[2016-09-08 02:45:03] Rado : the exchange has no effect at all
[2016-09-08 02:45:15] Rado : people that buy and sell BTC do
[2016-09-08 02:45:26] MrRGnome : Did you just assert that exchanges have no affect on price discovery?
[2016-09-08 02:45:27] Rado : so if people want to sell price will go down
[2016-09-08 02:46:03] MrRGnome : We call that process of up and down base don the whims of gamblers speculation where I'm from.
[2016-09-08 02:46:43] Rado : you can call it whatever you want, it's simple demand and supply
[2016-09-08 02:52:19] Rado : By the way people that think bitcoin will go down simple don't understand what bitcoin is.
[2016-09-08 02:54:12] Rado : In a few years BTC will be 5 digits
[2016-09-08 02:54:40] jose : false, it just means it is overpriced, see mt gox specultative bubble
[2016-09-08 02:55:16] Rado : jose: overpriced based on what?
[2016-09-08 02:55:40] Rado : every market goes trough corrections
[2016-09-08 02:56:04] Rado : BTC is not going to go down to $3 which it was in 2011
[2016-09-08 02:56:40] Rado : some stocks go down to $0 because the companies go bankrupt
[2016-09-08 02:57:22] Rado : if you don't get that bitcoin is different you should not invest in it
[2016-09-08 02:58:11] Rado : stick to investing in APPL and GOOG
[2016-09-08 03:00:18] CaptainDean : BTC price was first based on the cost of electrivity to generate it
[2016-09-08 03:00:43] CaptainDean : don't forget there a massive amount of energy (money) deployed to mine bitcoin
[2016-09-08 03:02:35] jose : the electricity cost to mine bitcoin is constant
[2016-09-08 03:03:02] CaptainDean : that is not true Difficulty go up and reduce the amount of BTC you mine
[2016-09-08 03:03:40] CaptainDean : even when the price go down, the Diff is pretty not going down
[2016-09-08 03:03:44] jose : it cost a bit less than 12.5BTC every 10min
[2016-09-08 03:03:51] CaptainDean : The halving didn't give any break to the miner
[2016-09-08 03:04:18] CaptainDean : You need the equipment, the space, the heat to handle
[2016-09-08 03:04:31] CaptainDean : that is a lot of $$$ beside electricity
[2016-09-08 03:05:54] jose : i included it in the notion of "electricity"
[2016-09-08 03:06:50] jose : i just want to make the point that it is the price that is driving the difficulty on the long term
[2016-09-08 03:07:00] jose : not the opposite way
[2016-09-08 03:07:30] CaptainDean : Well, the rewards was cut in two and it didn't go down, even if the price was under 600$
[2016-09-08 03:08:15] jose : of course, they knew it was coming for a long time, also the price almost doubled 6 months before
[2016-09-08 03:09:48] CaptainDean : I don't think the price is driven by the miners, but it think it will help keep BTC price in a good range
[2016-09-08 03:11:10] jose : if the price goes down for a long enough time you will see the hashrate go down
[2016-09-08 03:12:34] jose : assuming the price to produce a h/s is constant
[2016-09-08 03:16:43] CaptainDean : I agree, but i doubt we will see it. They kept the lights on even if the price was like 240$ us
[2016-09-08 03:16:55] CaptainDean : that was before the halving tho
[2016-09-08 03:17:44] CaptainDean : The main point is all the cash coming from the mining will keep stimulate the price
[2016-09-08 03:22:49] jose : i dont understand the last part... Those fresh coins need to be sold in order to pay the bills, so it makes a sell pressure driving the price down.
[2016-09-08 03:23:39] CaptainDean : I'm not sure what part of it is really sold but 50% should be a good guess
[2016-09-08 03:26:53] jose : When the price was at 240, they were operating at loss, holding some of the generated BTC and waited for the price to skyrocket :D
[2016-09-08 03:27:06] CaptainDean : it's about 1800 BTC a dau so let's say they are selling 1000 BTC per day
[2016-09-08 03:27:31] CaptainDean : I was still making profit @240$
[2016-09-08 03:58:07] REKT : Liquidated short on `XMR7D`: Buy 180 @ 0.020236
[2016-09-08 04:42:37] Toranaga : a bot notifies when someone gets rekt? lol
[2016-09-08 04:55:04] BitMEX_Wally : Yes, it listens to the public API and publishes it here
[2016-09-08 04:56:34] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC7D`: Sell 150 @ 0.002360
[2016-09-08 05:50:45] laisee : Toranaga: also there is twitter feed called rektbitmex
[2016-09-08 08:35:58] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 8990 @ 617.00
[2016-09-08 08:35:58] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 5 @ 617.20
[2016-09-08 08:36:17] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 50 @ 617.81
[2016-09-08 08:36:23] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 17848 @ 618.29
[2016-09-08 08:36:23] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 13500 @ 618.76
[2016-09-08 08:36:23] REKT : Sell your house, sell your wife, sell your kids, BUY BITCOIN!
[2016-09-08 08:37:07] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 12901 @ 621.53
[2016-09-08 08:37:17] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 1321 @ 622.20
[2016-09-08 08:37:52] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 338 @ 623.12
[2016-09-08 08:38:56] Tetsuo : Boom
[2016-09-08 08:40:44] rapidtrades : bitfinex
[2016-09-08 08:42:43] habibi : now u care again lol :D
[2016-09-08 08:43:17] BTCDJS : Shit. I was long last night from 611 but had a trail stop. Damn it
[2016-09-08 08:43:23] aethlios : xmr pumper has to through the white towel
[2016-09-08 08:44:07] aethlios : no sell pressure at btc
[2016-09-08 08:50:55] Bacon futures trader : lol rip shorts
[2016-09-08 08:57:07] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 50 @ 0.01854
[2016-09-08 08:59:13] aethlios : eth dumping
[2016-09-08 08:59:22] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 2171 @ 0.01842
[2016-09-08 08:59:35] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 469 @ 0.01836
[2016-09-08 08:59:35] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 980 @ 0.01837
[2016-09-08 09:09:15] subjective : ETH overreacted
[2016-09-08 09:10:12] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 15611 @ 624.21
[2016-09-08 09:10:29] aethlios : finex nice volumes, hope we get paid in full
[2016-09-08 09:14:35] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 1800 @ 0.01832
[2016-09-08 09:14:42] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 19000 @ 624.44
[2016-09-08 09:14:52] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 600 @ 624.82
[2016-09-08 09:16:07] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 2665 @ 0.01824
[2016-09-08 09:27:41] subjective : how come I can't scale down the risk limit? once it's increased
[2016-09-08 09:27:52] subjective : that is for ETH
[2016-09-08 09:32:53] habibi : u can, try be more delicate
[2016-09-08 09:35:14] BitMEX_Wally : subjective: You can't scale it down if you have open positions or orders that exceed the limit
[2016-09-08 09:35:57] poop : hey i have some questions regarding hte perpetual swap
[2016-09-08 09:36:03] poop : especially the rebalancing
[2016-09-08 09:36:24] poop : so every 8 hours it looks at the index and rebalances everyones position
[2016-09-08 09:36:25] poop : ?
[2016-09-08 09:36:29] poop : anyoen explain to me?
[2016-09-08 09:36:36] BitMEX_Wally : poop: Funding is every 8 hours, rebalance is every 24 hours
[2016-09-08 09:36:38] BnB : BitMEX_Wally: my current position is under limit
[2016-09-08 09:36:41] jose : FAQ ?
[2016-09-08 09:36:51] poop : whats the difference between funding and reblanace?
[2016-09-08 09:36:55] habibi : BitMEX_Wally: i guess swap product is finally coming to people heads as even more complicated :(
[2016-09-08 09:37:25] BitMEX_Wally : poop: Funding is a fee that is paid between long and shorts, whereas Rebalance just realises PNL and moves it into your wallet
[2016-09-08 09:37:48] poop : any write up on how the funding process works?
[2016-09-08 09:38:00] jose : https://www.bitmex.com/app/swapsGuide
[2016-09-08 09:38:27] BitMEX_Wally : subjective: Try again
[2016-09-08 09:38:27] poop : cool
[2016-09-08 10:07:15] subjective : BitMEX_Wally: Also, ETH on Polo never go under 0.00179, why do my position gets liquidated
[2016-09-08 10:07:58] subjective : lowest it goes was 0.00181, so the mark price went below it
[2016-09-08 10:08:41] BitMEX_Wally : subjective: Reply to the liquidation email and we'll look into it
[2016-09-08 10:41:53] sebaas : QQ; can I provide funds for lending market?
[2016-09-08 10:51:13] BitMEX_Jinming : sebaas: No you can't lend your funds. Funding is paid between long and short holders of swap contracts.
[2016-09-08 10:51:14] rapidtrades : sebaas: go away jew
[2016-09-08 10:57:13] Airmike : awesome presentation guys https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pE4g-_9z4o
[2016-09-08 11:44:42] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 25455 @ 626.09 **MEGA-REKT** :boom:
[2016-09-08 11:55:57] bukeyi : lol! i love rektbot
[2016-09-08 11:56:09] rapidtrades : tokens at .49
[2016-09-08 12:00:52] REKT : Liquidated long on `XMR7D`: Sell 66 @ 0.018520
[2016-09-08 12:16:07] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 2739 @ 0.01798
[2016-09-08 12:22:53] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 15000 @ 627.86
[2016-09-08 12:22:53] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTU16`: Buy 1 @ 647.08 :punch: :whale:
[2016-09-08 12:26:22] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 200 @ 0.01789
[2016-09-08 12:27:14] Bacon futures trader : Why are liquidations shown in the orderbook?
[2016-09-08 12:27:32] Bacon futures trader : Do you get an extra fee for taking the position?
[2016-09-08 12:28:35] Boontjie : Bacon futures trader: let everyone know the damage i guess
[2016-09-08 12:28:46] Boontjie : There is a rekt bot, so
[2016-09-08 12:33:25] rapidtrades : the bot is from micmix, not the exchange
[2016-09-08 12:47:48] mjones : eth only has 2000 btc in support on polo right now
[2016-09-08 12:49:25] mjones : xmr only coin with somewhat good support on polo
[2016-09-08 12:51:01] mjones : 23 hours till i unlock rest of xmr profit. yay
[2016-09-08 13:04:06] rapidtrades : what happened to all that premium huh
[2016-09-08 13:04:41] CaptainDean : hoooo BTC
[2016-09-08 13:04:46] CaptainDean : up up up
[2016-09-08 13:04:58] rapidtrades : http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2016-09-08/libertarian-candidate-asks-what-is-aleppo-in-tv-interview
[2016-09-08 13:39:17] luckynuke : btw pumps till 680, then sideways
[2016-09-08 13:39:25] luckynuke : maybe 700 or 720
[2016-09-08 13:52:11] rapidtrades : yeah sure guy
[2016-09-08 14:01:29] BTCDJS : Bitcoin pumps and then dumps and then pumps
[2016-09-08 14:01:51] BTCDJS : then dumps again
[2016-09-08 14:02:15] BTCDJS : That's my prediction
[2016-09-08 14:06:25] AudibleScience : hey how's it going!?
[2016-09-08 14:06:30] investor : mjones: eth bitcoin profits is being sold off slowely?
[2016-09-08 14:07:12] AudibleScience : it's been ages!
[2016-09-08 14:07:53] investor : BTCDJS: by the new year most volume will be gone out of crypto and it will be like last year DEAD markets
[2016-09-08 14:10:27] AudibleScience : so how come my roe is negative but the position should be in profit with these new swap? what's the math there?
[2016-09-08 14:10:36] mjones : investor: doubt it. eth has been high for many months. looks like it's ready to break down hard
[2016-09-08 14:11:42] AudibleScience : anyone?
[2016-09-08 14:11:52] mjones : what coin
[2016-09-08 14:12:15] investor : CaptainDean: i had over 250 btc early 2015 sold them all around 220$ and still cant get over it :(
[2016-09-08 14:12:58] mjones : xbt reblanced around 630.00 and is now 625.00 so that's why it went down for ROE
[2016-09-08 14:13:05] investor : mjones: true, many will crash to cash out for higher price btc IMO
[2016-09-08 14:14:12] AudibleScience : I still don't understand...
[2016-09-08 14:14:14] Airmike : I am sure that volume will explode
[2016-09-08 14:14:39] AudibleScience : the Rebalance Price in now at 626.25 right?
[2016-09-08 14:14:45] Airmike : not because of price, but for current trading conditions
[2016-09-08 14:15:34] Airmike : all exchanges are fighting for new costumers. some of them give up already
[2016-09-08 14:15:39] AudibleScience : and my Entry Price was 609.68...
[2016-09-08 14:15:51] mjones : your position was closed and opened again 2 hours 15 minutes ago at 630
[2016-09-08 14:16:00] mjones : and any profit put into your wallet
[2016-09-08 14:16:17] mjones : price went down since then and now your ROE is down a bit
[2016-09-08 14:16:45] AudibleScience : WOW okay...
[2016-09-08 14:17:28] AudibleScience : I'll have to read up on these new swaps I guess.
[2016-09-08 14:17:38] mjones : it's nice, i like it.
[2016-09-08 14:18:08] mjones : https://www.bitmex.com/app/tradeHistory
[2016-09-08 14:18:40] mjones : that'll show funding and reblance and sells and buys which should help visualize that is happening
[2016-09-08 14:19:02] investor : is it worth trading XBTJPY?
[2016-09-08 14:19:10] AudibleScience : cool thanks
[2016-09-08 14:19:15] investor : what starting cap shud i use
[2016-09-08 14:21:05] AudibleScience : investor: just start with a few btc and see how you get on...
[2016-09-08 14:21:58] AudibleScience : mjones: thanks man... I see that now...
[2016-09-08 14:24:04] CaptainDean : investor: if you made profit .. don't worry about it ;-)
[2016-09-08 14:24:55] AudibleScience : so how come the entry price in the gui is not the same as the "real" new entry price in my trade history
[2016-09-08 14:28:07] AudibleScience : Sam? are you here?
[2016-09-08 14:29:40] BitMEX_Arthur : AudibleScience: how can I help
[2016-09-08 14:30:31] AudibleScience : BitMEX_Arthur: oh hey man. it's been ages!
[2016-09-08 14:31:58] AudibleScience : I was just wondering how come the entry price displayed in the GUI is not the same as the real price as per the trade history post rebalancing
[2016-09-08 14:36:30] BitMEX_Arthur : The entry price shown is not affected by rebalance
[2016-09-08 14:38:01] BitMEX_Arthur : it is based on your trades so you will see a difference. The unrealised pnl is moved to realised at the rebalance price however. We are working to simplify this so it makes more sense
[2016-09-08 14:44:12] AudibleScience : I see.
[2016-09-08 14:45:20] AudibleScience : Thanks Arthur
[2016-09-08 14:58:07] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC7D`: Sell 3601 @ 0.002338
[2016-09-08 14:58:07] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC7D`: Sell 20 @ 0.002332
[2016-09-08 15:33:17] investor : BTC dip before 670
[2016-09-08 15:34:31] daveberns1 : back to perpetual swap funding rate convo....
[2016-09-08 15:34:59] daveberns1 : perhaps there could be a floor and/or ceiling on the rate based on some historical calculation
[2016-09-08 15:35:48] daveberns1 : reduce outliers, and normalize the rate to some extent
[2016-09-08 15:36:00] sleger : there is a cap already
[2016-09-08 15:36:18] sleger : you're not on the right approach for this problem anyways
[2016-09-08 15:36:54] daveberns1 : just brainstorming solutions to the unpredictability
[2016-09-08 15:37:06] daveberns1 : and inaccuracy
[2016-09-08 15:37:34] daveberns1 : but your right, i have not dug into it enough to really propose any material solution
[2016-09-08 15:38:14] sleger : anyways Arthur doesnt seem to think that it is a problem at all
[2016-09-08 16:44:33] aethlios : before funding, we had finex rate, noone was going short, lower volumes, big spread above index.
[2016-09-08 16:46:20] aethlios : some people would like to lock a premium for a few days or weeks. What could happen is to create a new market for a swap funding with time up to 30 or 60 days contracts. Like a rate market of bitfinex.
[2016-09-08 16:47:59] aethlios : So when 2 people enter let's say a funding swap of +0.2% daily for 10 days for a notional of 50.000, the buyer of the swap has locked a foxed funding to pay to the short
[2016-09-08 16:48:16] aethlios : .... seller of the swap.
[2016-09-08 16:50:17] aethlios : at the same time those 2 traders enter a position of 50.000 usd in xbtusd swap, each 8 hours there is a settlement of the funding swap based on the difference of the fixed 0.1% 8hourly tp the realized funding each 8 hours.
[2016-09-08 16:51:04] aethlios : so I mean we could create a second market to buy or sell funding for long term days like finex has.
[2016-09-08 16:52:39] sleger : finex doesnt actually have that
[2016-09-08 16:53:01] sleger : because the borrower can prepay early for any reason (for example when rates are lower)
[2016-09-08 16:55:14] aethlios : sleger: said like finex a market of funding swaps with different durations, let's say I sell (go short) 100.000 usd on xbtusd for 15 days for 0.1% per 8 hours. Someone can hit me and I will receive this funding, the buyer has a long position for 100.000 usd. If in next 10 days average funding is higher then the buyer did a good prediction.
[2016-09-08 16:55:54] sleger : you said "market to buy or sell funding for long term days like finex has." => i said finex didnt have that
[2016-09-08 16:56:22] lockhedge : a fixed-for-floating swap would be possible but an inverse future as second xbt instrument would have the same function and very likely much more liquidity
[2016-09-08 16:56:27] sleger : bitmex will tell you it would be too complicated, the childish bitcoiners wouldnt understand
[2016-09-08 16:56:53] aethlios : sleger: In my example the buyer cant break the swap before settlement, but can go to the market and go short the xbtusd and receive the variab;e funding in order to hedge position.
[2016-09-08 16:57:23] sleger : aethlios: i understand, and i explained you that its not like bitfinex
[2016-09-08 16:57:35] sleger : "sleger: finex doesnt actually have that"
[2016-09-08 16:57:53] Boontjie : lockhedge: why would an inverse have the same effect?
[2016-09-08 16:58:26] sleger : anyways why complicate things when you can just have regular futures, that works very well everywhere else (0kcoin etc)
[2016-09-08 16:58:59] Boontjie : sleger: you want the same on the alts right
[2016-09-08 16:59:15] lockhedge : Boontjie: because xbtusd is inverse, so an inverse future would behave like the xbtusd swap with a fixed "interest rate" (premium)
[2016-09-08 16:59:19] sleger : yes regular futures, 1 month or 3 months whatever
[2016-09-08 16:59:42] aethlios : for example, market is flat for 2 weeks and I wait a big long move, I want to lock a funding, I go to the funding swap market and buy a 30 day fixed 0.05% 8hour funding swap.
[2016-09-08 17:00:52] aethlios : this funding market will bust liquidity of xbtusd because it is attached to it, not a new future contract.
[2016-09-08 17:02:12] aethlios : then you create a funding swap market for altcoins also.
[2016-09-08 17:03:03] sleger : " sleger: bitmex will tell you it would be too complicated, the childish bitcoiners wouldnt understand"
[2016-09-08 17:04:55] aethlios : As I think of it, each coin has a swap perpetual, and a funding swap market for fixed funding with different durations.
[2016-09-08 17:06:15] Boontjie : lockhedge: I think sleger's comment is a better suggestion. Just have a normal future, with an implied future rate
[2016-09-08 17:06:50] aethlios : Boontjie: we had that and if you have 4 contracts liquidity is bad.
[2016-09-08 17:07:09] lockhedge : Boontjie: i guess sleger meant an inverse future (like okc) when he suggested a "normal future"
[2016-09-08 17:07:33] sleger : yes. And we dont need 4 of those
[2016-09-08 17:07:36] zanza : yeah, and basically everyone was just playing the 24H one
[2016-09-08 17:07:58] sleger : but Arthur said the U16 didnt trade enough for his liking (still it traded more than his super china A50 ...)
[2016-09-08 17:09:10] aethlios : yes, not a quanto, have a 24H, weekly and quarterly. 3 contracts. and for the mentiums a yearly.
[2016-09-08 17:11:27] BitMEX_Greg : We are looking to do that for our XBJ series actually
[2016-09-08 17:12:08] aethlios : thet truth is liquidity is strong now, and volumes easily go to 10K btc in a good volatile day. The problem was the wuanto which scared people.
[2016-09-08 17:12:31] aethlios : quanto I mean.
[2016-09-08 17:12:55] BitMEX_Greg : Yeah we are going to switch the XBJ quanto over to an inverse
[2016-09-08 17:12:59] sleger : BitMEX_Greg: everyone said that they dont want to trade JPY
[2016-09-08 17:13:12] BitMEX_Greg : We will have a view for people to see it in USD
[2016-09-08 17:13:20] zanza : A50 is gone now, people just dont understand how funding works and think "BitMex is stealing mah coniz!!1"
[2016-09-08 17:13:32] sleger : but that's just a lie, they will see usd but they will still have exposure to USDJPY rates !
[2016-09-08 17:14:02] zanza : people should just move to Bitcoin dice site if they don't understand interest rates
[2016-09-08 17:14:03] sleger : I dont want to trade usdjpy when i trade bitcoin, how complicated is that to understand ???
[2016-09-08 17:15:14] Boontjie : BitMEX_Greg: You have inherent exchange rate exposure. Why not just directly offer usd / jpy?
[2016-09-08 17:16:13] zanza : then you have 3 different "currencies"
[2016-09-08 17:16:20] zanza : in 1 trade
[2016-09-08 17:16:42] BitMEX_Greg : Don't want to make it too complicated
[2016-09-08 17:17:36] sleger : lol, that's why you make people trade jpy and pretend it's usd ?
[2016-09-08 17:17:52] BitMEX_Greg : I never said we pretend
[2016-09-08 17:18:06] sleger : what would you say then ?
[2016-09-08 17:18:18] BitMEX_Greg : "We will have a view for people to see it in USD"
[2016-09-08 17:18:37] sleger : but they will still trade bitcoin against JPY right ?
[2016-09-08 17:19:22] Boontjie : sleger: yes, they would divide the rate by usd / jpy
[2016-09-08 17:20:00] sleger : and why would one want that (unless they live in japan) ?
[2016-09-08 17:20:04] Boontjie : *multiply sorry
[2016-09-08 17:20:10] Boontjie : dunno
[2016-09-08 17:20:31] BitMEX_Greg : JPY is starting to overtake USD as the major pair behind CNY
[2016-09-08 17:21:01] sleger : I hope your broker make you trade apple stock against ruble
[2016-09-08 17:21:32] BitMEX_Greg : well if they had an option to trade it against USD I would do that
[2016-09-08 17:21:38] BitMEX_Greg : we have XBTUSD
[2016-09-08 17:21:53] habibi : Greg wheeere?
[2016-09-08 17:22:04] BitMEX_Greg : habibi: https://www.bitmex.com/app/trade/XBTUSD
[2016-09-08 17:22:06] zanza : rapidtrades, and progress with Class action Lawsuit against Bitfinex?
[2016-09-08 17:22:20] habibi : BitMEX_Greg: JPY is starting to overtake USD as the major pair behind CNY ^^ where
[2016-09-08 17:22:43] sleger : JPY is "starting to overtake USD" ? by starting you mean what exactly ? It's 50% of the usd volume ?
[2016-09-08 17:22:54] BitMEX_Greg : take a look at exchangewar.info
[2016-09-08 17:23:02] BitMEX_Greg : https://exchangewar.info
[2016-09-08 17:23:19] habibi : BitMEX_Greg: are u serious?
[2016-09-08 17:23:40] BitMEX_Greg : It's just one site that shows some volumes in different currencies
[2016-09-08 17:24:55] habibi : eh.. my point is u telling that statement coz of few exchanges with zero fees that shows huge volume, but if u actually try to trade on exchange, fe quoine u can crealy see that beside few bots there is nothing going on and volume is just printing
[2016-09-08 17:25:51] sleger : 0 fee volume doesnt mean much, even Arthur said that @BitMEX_Greg
[2016-09-08 17:26:44] sleger : anyways, if you have more japanese customers than the rest of the world, it is probably a good choice to use JPY !
[2016-09-08 17:26:53] habibi : another example, i am the only one that trade jpy/btc here, and making 95% of open interest. so i guess noone trades there on that contract as its connected
[2016-09-08 17:26:58] sleger : Somehow they are very discrete in the chat...
[2016-09-08 17:27:16] lockhedge : BitMEX_Greg: did you already discuss an international price index for the future, e.g. Bitstamp USD, Kraken EUR, Quoine JPY and OKC CNY, based on this index you could have 4 futures with one orderbook
[2016-09-08 17:27:48] BitMEX_Greg : Nothing yet
[2016-09-08 17:27:55] sleger : hellooooooo, japanese bitmex cliiiiiiiiients, where are youuuuuuu ?
[2016-09-08 17:28:29] habibi : they sitting next to rapidtrades bitfinex sue
[2016-09-08 17:29:59] arbitrage001 : こんにちは
[2016-09-08 17:30:27] arbitrage001 : わたし arbitrage001, sleger
[2016-09-08 17:30:46] arbitrage001 : sorry, cant resist
[2016-09-08 17:32:13] sleger : are you and all your friends ready to trade btcjpy futures ?
[2016-09-08 17:32:56] arbitrage001 : もちろん
[2016-09-08 17:34:37] sleger : 優れた
[2016-09-08 17:35:20] arbitrage001 : going to watch naked school girls
[2016-09-08 17:35:23] arbitrage001 : afk
[2016-09-08 17:35:52] sleger : enjoy sushi !
[2016-09-08 17:36:00] Tetsuo : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=051tj2ImFKQ
[2016-09-08 17:36:27] sleger : plenty of japanese around here, i guess Greg was right, we'll see huge volume in those BTCJPY futures...
[2016-09-08 17:41:23] BitMEX_Greg : sleger: You said you trade 0Kcoin futures.. Just not sure you are aware because you said you don't like to trade one currency that's pretending to be another, but 50% of their index is made up of BTC/CNY prices
[2016-09-08 17:42:29] BitMEX_Greg : Anyway we are not launching XBJ series of futures because we believe that JPY is gaining traction, that is only one of the reasons.
[2016-09-08 17:55:00] habibi : BitMEX_Greg: what kind of contracts there will be :)?
[2016-09-08 18:04:16] BitMEX_Greg : habibi: There are some up in testnet already, but something we are still thinking about
[2016-09-08 18:11:24] aethlios : BitMEX_Greg: When to go believe the bitcoin yen inverse series will start???
[2016-09-08 18:11:44] aethlios : when do you believe...
[2016-09-08 18:12:47] BitMEX_Greg : I'm not sure, still a few kinks to work out i believe
[2016-09-08 18:14:32] sleger : yes that's true, 0kc fut are 50% cny and that's why I liked the fact yours was 100% usd, but I just cant trade much with those funding issues
[2016-09-08 18:15:46] aethlios : BitMEX_Greg: it is a nice structure the inverse. Any chance this happens for xbtUSD?? If you start it and also keep xbtusd swap for 3 months and see what people will trade, then cut the less liquid type. Like eth and etc, let the market decide what prefers more.
[2016-09-08 18:18:25] BitMEX_Greg : Yes these are the things we are constantly looking at
[2016-09-08 18:19:17] BitMEX_Greg : It's never going to be perfect, so we are constantly re-tinkering
[2016-09-08 18:19:43] aethlios : BitMEX_Greg: Also don't do the mistake to do the inverse series for xbtjpy and people don't trade it and think is because the inverse series, but the reason could be the jpy.
[2016-09-08 18:20:10] habibi : BitMEX_Greg: will u have any quantos staying here after all?
[2016-09-08 18:21:19] aethlios : quantos idea was wrong from the start, why quantos?? plain inverse contracts. we can hedge using spot or okcoin swap and offer more liquidity
[2016-09-08 18:21:42] habibi : aethlios: i really care about ur opinion :)
[2016-09-08 18:27:35] aethlios : I am sure bitmex can be in a year ahead of okcoin futures.
[2016-09-08 18:32:38] BitMEX_Greg : habibi: We want to try get rid of the quanto products
[2016-09-08 18:48:02] zanza : does that mean you are going to transition over Greg?
[2016-09-08 18:49:56] BitMEX_Greg : Possibly, need to check later what the plans are with Arthur
[2016-09-08 19:01:06] rapidtrades : get rid of quanto huh
[2016-09-08 19:01:08] rapidtrades : nice work
[2016-09-08 19:03:08] rapidtrades : habibi: what are u suggested u hoe?
[2016-09-08 19:03:25] rapidtrades : suggesting
[2016-09-08 19:07:23] lockhedge : BitMEX_Greg: is it possible to set OCO orders across instruments, e.g. a bid cancels at XBTUSD when a bid at XBJ24H gets filled?
[2016-09-08 19:11:31] BitMEX_Greg : No not yet. something I have brought up though
[2016-09-08 19:11:36] esuvari : BitMEX_Greg: hey, what's with the estimated liquidation indicator.. it shows way off values
[2016-09-08 19:12:02] BitMEX_Greg : esuvari: What do you mean by way off?
[2016-09-08 19:12:33] esuvari : 33x short on eth at 1823 shows 1905 as liq. price. whereas it's actually 1850
[2016-09-08 19:12:49] esuvari : if someone trusts that and enters a trade, he's screwed
[2016-09-08 19:13:48] BitMEX_Greg : Let me look into it, why do you think its 1850 though?
[2016-09-08 19:14:01] esuvari : I did enter a trade with 1 contract.
[2016-09-08 19:14:20] esuvari : just to check if I'm mistaken. i'm not.
[2016-09-08 19:14:20] rapidtrades : i have a comment to make about getting rid of quantos @BitMEX_Greg
[2016-09-08 19:14:38] esuvari : this happened to me once more, earlier today
[2016-09-08 19:15:16] esuvari : thought I saw wrong but apparently there's something wrong there..
[2016-09-08 19:15:48] BitMEX_Greg : esuvari: Are you on cross or isolated margin?
[2016-09-08 19:15:59] BitMEX_Greg : rapidtrades: go ahead
[2016-09-08 19:16:44] esuvari : BitMEX_Greg: isolated.
[2016-09-08 19:16:45] rapidtrades : booooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
[2016-09-08 19:17:04] rapidtrades : ^ that was my comment, esuvari blocked me
[2016-09-08 19:17:35] esuvari : After I entered trade, it shows the right value.
[2016-09-08 19:18:22] esuvari : if I didn't know any better I'd think it deliberately does that
[2016-09-08 19:20:05] BitMEX_Greg : esuvari: So explain to me what you think is the issue while I look into your account. You originally had a short on ETHXBT that showed one liquidation price, you closed it, reopened and it shows a different liquidation price?
[2016-09-08 19:21:02] esuvari : no no, i didn't have a position at first. I entered the order values. and I hovered that little question mark on the short button
[2016-09-08 19:21:15] esuvari : it showed 1905.
[2016-09-08 19:21:41] esuvari : then I thought it's too high. 33x has to have a lower liq. value. so I entered the trade with only one contract
[2016-09-08 19:22:09] esuvari : now I see the correct value should have been 1850
[2016-09-08 19:22:32] lockhedge : so the "Est. Liquidation Price" does not match the real liq price
[2016-09-08 19:22:45] esuvari : I can't reproduce this bug though. now when I hover over the question mark, it shows the correct value (1850)
[2016-09-08 19:23:11] esuvari : lockhedge: exactly
[2016-09-08 19:24:01] BitMEX_Greg : esuvari: Ok understand, yes I see the issue. I believe we have a ticket open to improve upon this calculation as it is just an estimation right now. A number of factors come into it like your executed price vs mark, the trading cost etc
[2016-09-08 19:24:51] esuvari : it never was the exact price, true. but 50 pips is waaay off.
[2016-09-08 19:25:21] BTCDJS : rapidtrades: you can block people on trollbox?
[2016-09-08 19:26:51] BitMEX_Greg : esuvari: Understand, thanks for the feedback. Will highlight again to our engineers
[2016-09-08 19:27:05] esuvari : thx
[2016-09-08 19:28:10] rapidtrades : BTCDJS: i don't think so?
[2016-09-08 19:28:48] BTCDJS : How/where did he block you then?
[2016-09-08 19:29:05] rapidtrades : i don't know...
[2016-09-08 19:29:13] BTCDJS : Huh?
[2016-09-08 19:29:42] BTCDJS : 20:17 - rapidtrades: ^ that was my comment, esuvari blocked me
[2016-09-08 19:31:08] rapidtrades : guess we'll never know right
[2016-09-08 19:33:36] Tetsuo : /ban rapidtrades
[2016-09-08 19:33:46] Tetsuo : seems to work
[2016-09-08 19:34:01] esuvari : what? I didn't block anyone
[2016-09-08 19:34:14] Tetsuo : esuvari: plz stop blocking people in here, thanks
[2016-09-08 19:34:44] lockhedge : rapidtrades: i mostly understand you, but i rarely agree with you ;)
[2016-09-08 19:35:21] rapidtrades : esuvari: plz stop lying
[2016-09-08 19:35:41] esuvari : now I know why this is called the trollbox
[2016-09-08 19:36:57] Tetsuo : actually it´s the only real trollbox left. Polo is Hitler, fuck them. And BTC-e has way more morons than here and is almost dead
[2016-09-08 19:38:29] esuvari : I thought this was the most polite trollbox
[2016-09-08 19:38:38] Rado : without quantos BitMEX is useless
[2016-09-08 19:38:39] Tetsuo : i dontß know how anyone can chat on polo, even if i try to be serious i get banned mostly after 3 comments
[2016-09-08 19:38:41] esuvari : never saw anyone who's actually trolling here
[2016-09-08 19:39:12] Rado : just for casino day trading
[2016-09-08 19:39:30] Rado : Tetsuo: lol
[2016-09-08 19:39:52] laisee : 4 degenr8 gamblers
[2016-09-08 19:40:10] laisee : ... Like us
[2016-09-08 19:42:35] lockhedge : this trollbox used to be a place where quants discussed about implied volatility
[2016-09-08 19:43:08] sleger : then they brought altcoins....
[2016-09-08 19:44:42] sleger : and jung1 and nip arrived
[2016-09-08 19:44:50] sleger : now even habibi sounds smart sometimes !!
[2016-09-08 19:48:27] justinlooking : haha
[2016-09-08 19:50:10] Rado : funny sleger
[2016-09-08 19:56:16] lockhedge : and after rapidtrades insulted >80% of the traders here sleger's insults even sound funny sometimes...
[2016-09-08 19:56:19] CaptainDean : XMR, what is happening ?!
[2016-09-08 19:57:04] CaptainDean : rapidtrades like to arg with bad words that's it :P
[2016-09-08 20:03:11] BTCDJS : 20:38 - esuvari: never saw anyone who's actually trolling here
[2016-09-08 20:03:46] BTCDJS : Then you never been around when I'm trolling
[2016-09-08 20:05:10] BTCDJS : sleger: btw I'm glad you're back
[2016-09-08 20:10:14] justinlooking : http://anony.ws/image/NfHW
[2016-09-08 20:23:59] justinlooking : ^ http://www.cemex.co.uk/ is bitmex sister company?
[2016-09-08 20:26:08] mjones : looks like most of the XMR is being eaten up. 13,000,000 coins in the hands of the strong ones
[2016-09-08 20:26:47] mjones : like in ETH supply gets eaten, price pumps, everyone comes back. then 1 billion dollar market cap
[2016-09-08 20:28:28] mjones : maybe i'll get in on the next xmr weeklies. something like 0.02 to 0.04 within a week
[2016-09-08 20:29:02] REKT : Liquidated short on `XMR7D`: Buy 150 @ 0.020981
[2016-09-08 20:29:25] Tetsuo : me too, it seems like the top of criminal and terroristcoin might not have been reached!
[2016-09-08 20:29:58] Tetsuo : paintin a nice W bottom here
[2016-09-08 20:32:01] Tetsuo : and a t some point ETh might spike up too, but probably not beore XMR has reached it´s real top
[2016-09-08 20:33:05] Tetsuo : but with funding fees in here i´m not interested in buying in at the bottom, i´ll ugess i´ll have to wait out foor the conifirmation on polo even if i have to enter @10% higher
[2016-09-08 20:33:56] Tetsuo : could take 1-2 weeks
[2016-09-08 20:37:40] Tetsuo : The Valdobbiadene Prosecco is definettiley the best one out there. I´m goin to open the second bottle now. Cheers scamcoiners
[2016-09-08 21:00:04] Tetsuo : XMR now has more money on the buyside @polo than Bitstamp has for BTC; in dollar terms
[2016-09-08 21:03:23] rapidtrades : Tetsuo: why are u spamming?
[2016-09-08 21:05:27] rapidtrades : good funding reversed...so i can get back what i lost earlier
[2016-09-08 21:10:23] Tetsuo : i´m drunk, so fukk u
[2016-09-08 21:11:02] Bacon futures trader : When a contract expires that u own. U get payed the mark price?
[2016-09-08 21:12:36] Tetsuo : maybe, but only if terms don´t change until it expires
[2016-09-08 21:14:24] Bacon futures trader : I'm retarded maybe I should read the contract details lol