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[2016-09-06 04:06:38] mjones : after some sideways it'll pump towards 0.03 as everyone gets back in and shorts close
[2016-09-06 04:07:21] micmix : go all in, make the bank!
[2016-09-06 06:40:56] AnneHashaway : evening trolls
[2016-09-06 06:51:09] Panoukla : hello support, why i have a trade rebalancing that changed my entry price ?
[2016-09-06 06:53:24] BitMEX_Wally : Panoukla: It changes your entry price for the purposes of unrealised PNL. The proft/loss between your original entry price and the rebalance price has been moved into your wallet
[2016-09-06 06:54:02] BitMEX_Wally : More information about rebalancing here: https://www.bitmex.com/app/dynamicProfitEqualisation#contract-settlement-rebalance
[2016-09-06 07:07:50] Panoukla : so if ETH/XBT rebalances trades every day its not really a perpetual swap
[2016-09-06 07:08:36] BitMEX_Wally : Panoukla: Why not?
[2016-09-06 07:08:47] BitMEX_Wally : Rebalancing does not change your net PNL, or close your position. It just lets you withdraw profit
[2016-09-06 07:08:56] Panoukla : because it will change my entry price
[2016-09-06 07:09:08] BitMEX_Wally : So what?
[2016-09-06 07:09:49] aethlios : https://www.tradingview.com/x/EexDsocv/ my btcusd projection
[2016-09-06 07:10:31] Panoukla : i thought trading was all about entry and exit prices, i must be wrong
[2016-09-06 07:12:11] BitMEX_Wally : Panoukla: It is
[2016-09-06 07:12:24] BitMEX_Wally : The PNL from A to B is the same as the pnl from A to C and C to B
[2016-09-06 07:34:20] aethlios : https://www.tradingview.com/x/F3ovXvEk/ my LTCUSD prediction for a move at least at 10 usd, more possible 25 usd.
[2016-09-06 07:36:46] Tetsuo : aethlios: +1
[2016-09-06 07:41:22] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 1500 @ 0.01901
[2016-09-06 07:42:54] aethlios : eth looks doomed, big support 0.019 in test now
[2016-09-06 07:47:22] aethlios : opened 5000 eth short polo bitmex half-half, stop loss 0.0201, target 0.01455. let's see.
[2016-09-06 07:52:49] Boontjie : aethlios: why you do this, now I need to go long
[2016-09-06 07:52:52] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 1725 @ 0.01885
[2016-09-06 07:52:52] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 430 @ 0.01886
[2016-09-06 08:36:22] REKT : Liquidated long on `XMR7D`: Sell 40 @ 0.021647
[2016-09-06 08:36:22] REKT : Liquidated long on `XMR7D`: Sell 4 @ 0.021647 :punch: :whale:
[2016-09-06 08:37:06] REKT : Liquidated long on `XMR7D`: Sell 200 @ 0.021376
[2016-09-06 08:38:02] REKT : Liquidated long on `XMR7D`: Sell 1 @ 0.021116 :punch: :whale:
[2016-09-06 08:38:07] REKT : Liquidated long on `XMR7D`: Sell 50 @ 0.021064
[2016-09-06 08:47:51] REKT : Liquidated long on `XMR7D`: Sell 150 @ 0.020682
[2016-09-06 08:49:12] BetterNick : Hi guys, does anyone know the websocket response for a partially filled order, in particular the 'ordStatus' field? I know its 'filled' for a fully filled order, but I haven't had a partially filled order yet
[2016-09-06 08:50:02] vbmithr : Ok
[2016-09-06 08:50:06] vbmithr : Yes I know this
[2016-09-06 08:50:39] vbmithr : "PartiallyFilled"
[2016-09-06 08:50:42] BitMEX_Wally : BetterNick: The ordStatus will be `PartiallyFilled` as per the FIX spec
[2016-09-06 08:50:59] BetterNick : Alright, thanks a lot guys!
[2016-09-06 09:49:35] Tetsuo : NAV to da mooon
[2016-09-06 11:26:08] BitMEX_Wally : BetterNick: I'm seeing a lot of order amend rejects from you. 0 is not a valid orderQty
[2016-09-06 11:27:17] BitMEX_Wally : If you don't want to amend the orderQty then don't send it
[2016-09-06 12:01:55] mjones : Pump b
[2016-09-06 12:02:25] aethlios : 665 next pump, eth is hurting now.
[2016-09-06 12:48:22] REKT : Liquidated long on `XMR7D`: Sell 15 @ 0.020385
[2016-09-06 12:57:58] habibi : BitMEX_Wally: hey could u ask mm about offer for 80 btc ask quote and what price he would offer
[2016-09-06 12:59:48] BitMEX_Arthur : habibi: On what contract?
[2016-09-06 13:00:07] habibi : xbt swap
[2016-09-06 13:02:17] habibi : BitMEX_Arthur: doesnt matter forgot about 15k quotes he posting, i can eat them one after another without big slippage
[2016-09-06 13:02:37] BitMEX_Arthur : Ok thanks
[2016-09-06 13:09:37] mjones : cryptowatch added new coins. sdc, maid, nav, lisk
[2016-09-06 13:10:16] mjones : FCT!!
[2016-09-06 13:38:27] HackedOnBFX : boys get ready for BTC rally
[2016-09-06 13:48:17] laisee : BTC ready to blast off to a new level 5$ higher?
[2016-09-06 13:50:00] HackedOnBFX : laisee: right? so boring
[2016-09-06 13:50:12] HackedOnBFX : I need some XMR level volatility
[2016-09-06 13:51:14] HackedOnBFX : I think the downmove from 650 to 600 before the bfx hack was caused by front running shorters, so I expect us to be over $650 this week
[2016-09-06 13:51:23] laisee : such boring. XBT needs xtc
[2016-09-06 13:51:31] HackedOnBFX : laisee: lol yes
[2016-09-06 13:51:58] laisee : HackedOnBFX: u sure on the +50 move?
[2016-09-06 13:54:50] HackedOnBFX : laisee: of course not
[2016-09-06 13:54:57] HackedOnBFX : none of us really know
[2016-09-06 14:06:43] habibi : laisee: 2 months maybe and u will see btClassic
[2016-09-06 14:06:46] habibi : sadly
[2016-09-06 14:22:04] laisee : why sadly? surely market can decide better than feuding geeks
[2016-09-06 14:24:45] habibi : i guess good for trading opportunities but at the end will be some bad drama for project
[2016-09-06 14:24:55] habibi : as it is and was for ethereum in general
[2016-09-06 14:54:40] laisee : better to fail fast and learn something useful than stall forever waiting for the perfect software upgrade IMHO ....
[2016-09-06 15:00:33] zanza : Poloniux is just penny stock platform now
[2016-09-06 15:12:43] rapidtrades : usd/cnh down to 6.66
[2016-09-06 15:13:25] rapidtrades : 6.67
[2016-09-06 18:45:53] btcqpwo : +*----------------------
[2016-09-06 19:29:27] jordy : hihi
[2016-09-06 19:29:55] jordy : May I ask what is the margin lending rate I am paying for my current positions?
[2016-09-06 19:30:10] BitMEX_Greg : jordy: Hi, what instruments are you trading?
[2016-09-06 19:31:08] jordy : 50x margin financing
[2016-09-06 19:31:18] jordy : just a trial
[2016-09-06 19:31:24] BitMEX_Greg : so XBTUSD?
[2016-09-06 19:31:29] jordy : yes
[2016-09-06 19:31:38] jordy : but I don't know how to see the interest
[2016-09-06 19:31:46] jordy : check I mean
[2016-09-06 19:32:06] BitMEX_Greg : Sure, currently its at 0.0848% to be paid in 28 minutes (if you are long).
[2016-09-06 19:32:18] BitMEX_Greg : You can check here: https://www.bitmex.com/app/trade/XBTUSD
[2016-09-06 19:32:28] jordy : for the whole profolio?
[2016-09-06 19:32:31] BitMEX_Greg : On the left side of the screen under "Contract Details". It mentions "Funding"
[2016-09-06 19:32:52] BitMEX_Greg : For XBTUSD, whatever position you have on it will be 0.0848% of the total value
[2016-09-06 19:33:02] jordy : I have bought 2800 usd so it is 2800 usd * 0.0848%?
[2016-09-06 19:33:12] jordy : how about if I settled it before the time
[2016-09-06 19:33:37] jordy : I just opened the position , why I have to pay interest so fast ?
[2016-09-06 19:34:26] BitMEX_Greg : The interest is done at specific intervals, 3x a day at 04:00, 12:00, and 20:00 UTC time
[2016-09-06 19:34:37] BitMEX_Greg : If you close the position prior to the funding Timestamp then you won't pay anything
[2016-09-06 19:35:10] jordy : why the interest rate is so high ?
[2016-09-06 19:35:10] BitMEX_Greg : You can also check the rates here: https://www.bitmex.com/app/contract/XBTUSD
[2016-09-06 19:35:35] nip : 0.08% is high?
[2016-09-06 19:36:09] sleger : try to annualize it
[2016-09-06 19:36:31] jordy : it accounts for 92.856% annual interest
[2016-09-06 19:36:33] nip : 29%
[2016-09-06 19:37:03] BitMEX_Greg : The rate is per interval, so you need to multiply by 3 to get the daily rate
[2016-09-06 19:37:04] jordy : 0.0848*3*365=92.856%
[2016-09-06 19:37:29] nip : 0.08483365 = 29%
[2016-09-06 19:37:31] jordy : 0.0848x3x365
[2016-09-06 19:37:41] BitMEX_Greg : So if you believe it is high, you can always sell the product and receive the funding
[2016-09-06 19:37:43] jordy : =92.856 annual interest rate
[2016-09-06 19:37:55] jordy : well...how much I can have ?
[2016-09-06 19:38:06] jordy : the same ?
[2016-09-06 19:38:38] nip : jordy: it changes every 8 hours pseudorandomly
[2016-09-06 19:38:48] BitMEX_Greg : It depends on your position, if you sell 100 XBT then your interest will be 100 XBT * 0.0848% = 0.0848 XBT for this current period
[2016-09-06 19:38:53] nip : no point in annualizing it
[2016-09-06 19:39:31] jordy : well...if you keep on selling it then it is huge
[2016-09-06 19:39:41] jordy : since it is compound interest
[2016-09-06 19:41:00] jordy : well....so what is bitmex charging us ?
[2016-09-06 19:41:13] jordy : if they are not receiving any of the interest ?
[2016-09-06 19:41:23] jordy : what is your fee schedule?
[2016-09-06 19:41:25] habibi : They not, mm does
[2016-09-06 19:41:55] jordy : habibi: what do you mean , habibi?
[2016-09-06 19:42:53] BitMEX_Greg : jordy: We don't receive any part of the funding. It is paid and received by longs and shorts. Take a look at the Swaps Guide: https://www.bitmex.com/app/swapsGuide
[2016-09-06 19:42:55] habibi : i guess mm is receiving funding most of time coz he can biggest influence on that, am i right sleger?
[2016-09-06 19:43:20] habibi : coz he can has biggest influence *
[2016-09-06 19:43:40] sleger : nobody knows how to annualize a rate it seems
[2016-09-06 19:44:07] sleger : since it's paid out every 8 hours you have to compound it
[2016-09-06 19:44:09] BitMEX_Greg : jordy: The rate is not fixed. It moves every 8 hours according to the flow of trade, sometimes it is negative which means longs receive funding.
[2016-09-06 19:44:31] jordy : so funny
[2016-09-06 19:44:37] sleger : this was in response to "nip: 0.08% is high?" who didnt realize how high it actually is
[2016-09-06 19:45:20] sleger : let's say if someone buys the xbtusd swap and bitcoin doubles in one year, they will still lose money @BitMEX_Greg
[2016-09-06 19:46:00] miramm1115 : after 0.08% it's going to be 0.18%, and if you compound it properly it's totally insane
[2016-09-06 19:46:27] sleger : even 0.0848% is > 150% annualized
[2016-09-06 19:46:30] BitMEX_Greg : sleger: Depends how the rates go. We can't predict it
[2016-09-06 19:46:30] habibi : how big impact on funding is MM manipulation?
[2016-09-06 19:46:50] sleger : BitMEX_Greg: based on historical data, or what it currently is yes
[2016-09-06 19:47:08] BitMEX_Greg : Right, but past events do not normally predict the future
[2016-09-06 19:47:10] sleger : Actually if bitcoin doubles in a year i think the rates here will even be higher
[2016-09-06 19:47:32] BitMEX_Greg : Possibly, since the point of it is to keep the swap tracking the underlying
[2016-09-06 19:47:43] BitMEX_Greg : and usually fomo buys pushes up the rate
[2016-09-06 19:47:52] sleger : actually in that case they are a good predictor of the future
[2016-09-06 19:48:18] sleger : and longs better hope bitcoin does x3 or they will still lose money here
[2016-09-06 19:48:19] jordy : what is the trading fee ?
[2016-09-06 19:48:32] BitMEX_Greg : jordy: https://www.bitmex.com/app/fees
[2016-09-06 19:49:33] BitMEX_Greg : sleger: If it was a future, then the one year contract would be pricing at 150% if the funding is useful for pricing
[2016-09-06 19:50:01] sleger : one year linear future ? I highly doubt it
[2016-09-06 19:50:28] BitMEX_Greg : I'm just saying, the two should be linked. Basis and funding
[2016-09-06 19:50:43] sleger : they should be, but you created a monster
[2016-09-06 19:51:40] sleger : this is why i am closing my long eth position here, because i end up paying funding even when the price goes down, and i can keep it open on polo for much cheaper
[2016-09-06 19:53:23] BitMEX_Greg : The alts are a bit different because of the spread size, we're looking into it
[2016-09-06 19:54:54] sleger : the problem is the same though, many people do not want unpredictable funding rate
[2016-09-06 19:55:08] sleger : they want a way to lock in the rate for a certain, decent (not 8 hours) period of time
[2016-09-06 19:55:26] sleger : i would rather trade a one or 3 months eth product than the swap actually
[2016-09-06 19:55:36] jordy : try okcoin then
[2016-09-06 19:55:43] BitMEX_Greg : Basis is also unpredictable though. I've seen quarterlies swing $100
[2016-09-06 19:55:44] jordy : try ok coin then
[2016-09-06 19:55:45] sleger : jordy: when did they add eth ?
[2016-09-06 19:55:57] BitMEX_Greg : on bitcoin*
[2016-09-06 19:56:01] sleger : BitMEX_Greg: it doesnt matter, once i enter my position it is locked
[2016-09-06 19:56:02] jordy : I don't know man
[2016-09-06 19:56:09] sleger : jordy: well they didnt
[2016-09-06 19:56:21] jordy : ok coin is like 30% for futures
[2016-09-06 19:56:28] BitMEX_Greg : As long as you hold it to expiry and you can afford the swings without getting liquidated
[2016-09-06 19:56:32] sleger : jordy: im talking about eth, pay attention
[2016-09-06 19:56:42] sleger : BitMEX_Greg: yes and that's what I want
[2016-09-06 19:56:57] jordy : ethereum?
[2016-09-06 19:57:22] sleger : I enter my position, I know how much I pay till expiry and that's fine, swings are part of it, but I know what I sign up for
[2016-09-06 19:57:30] sleger : jordy: yes, typically eth = ethereum
[2016-09-06 19:57:57] jordy : you mean ok coin?
[2016-09-06 19:58:12] sleger : learn how to annualize a rate properly
[2016-09-06 19:59:02] jordy : the rate is crazy here ....but there is a lot of chance of arbri
[2016-09-06 20:00:01] jordy : BitMEX_Greg: how can I see the change after funding time?
[2016-09-06 20:04:30] BitMEX_Greg : sleger: Right, our product aims at replicating spot though. With our previous futures, we had queries from users complaining about the mismatch between spot and the futures price as they don't understand the basis
[2016-09-06 20:04:39] jordy : BitMEX_Greg: how can I find my funding cost received ?
[2016-09-06 20:04:46] BitMEX_Greg : jordy: Check two of those pages I sent to you earlier.
[2016-09-06 20:05:05] BitMEX_Greg : jordy: In your Trade History: https://www.bitmex.com/app/tradeHistory
[2016-09-06 20:42:03] zanza : time to list NAV
[2016-09-06 20:45:07] zanza : ETH folks getting salty that XMR surpassed it
[2016-09-06 20:53:03] mjones : NAV really taking off wow
[2016-09-06 20:54:32] mjones : only $4,000,000 market cap.
[2016-09-06 20:55:09] mjones : was $250,000 then jumped to $1,000,000 now $4,000,000
[2016-09-06 20:56:51] tb : i don't understand the risk limit
[2016-09-06 20:56:55] tb : what stops a user from creating multiple accounts
[2016-09-06 20:56:58] tb : to bypass the limit?
[2016-09-06 20:57:07] BitMEX_Greg : tb: There is nothing. You are free to do so
[2016-09-06 20:57:32] zanza : bu Sam will find out where you live and knock on your door late one night
[2016-09-06 20:57:42] mjones : wow i pay 0.13 BTC in fees a day
[2016-09-06 20:57:51] zanza : fees or funding ?
[2016-09-06 20:58:31] mjones : funding
[2016-09-06 20:58:58] zanza : funding is 0 sum
[2016-09-06 20:59:50] mjones : fee rate 0.3223% and 0.0859% and 0.0726% 3 times a day i pay each one
[2016-09-06 20:59:57] mjones : i never actually looked into this before
[2016-09-06 21:00:11] habibi : zanza: keep thinking like that :D
[2016-09-06 21:00:27] zanza : its truth
[2016-09-06 21:00:34] zanza : you can receive funding payouts also
[2016-09-06 21:01:12] habibi : zanza: so its zero sum between all the position owners
[2016-09-06 21:01:42] tb : BitMEX_Greg: then why does it exist?
[2016-09-06 21:02:37] zanza : small speedbump
[2016-09-06 21:02:59] BitMEX_Greg : tb: We don't want large positions at one liquidation price. By splitting up positions you are effectively spreading your liquidation price
[2016-09-06 21:03:31] tb : I see, ok makes sense
[2016-09-06 21:23:05] rapidtrades : good evening
[2016-09-06 21:23:16] rapidtrades : i see u still can't move this shitcoin
[2016-09-06 21:38:16] Boontjie : okcoin
[2016-09-06 21:39:23] rapidtrades : Boontjie: did u have a diff nick earlier
[2016-09-06 21:40:29] Boontjie : rapidtrades: no
[2016-09-06 21:40:56] Boontjie : why
[2016-09-06 21:47:47] rapidtrades : ur name sounds familiar
[2016-09-06 22:24:11] Boontjie : rapidtrades: we have spoken before
[2016-09-06 22:26:41] rapidtrades : Boontjie: were u short usd/jpy?
[2016-09-06 22:38:02] REKT : Liquidated long on `XMR7D`: Sell 50 @ 0.020340
[2016-09-06 22:38:07] REKT : Liquidated long on `XMR7D`: Sell 15 @ 0.020289
[2016-09-06 22:39:19] CaptainDean : holy XMR
[2016-09-06 22:39:22] REKT : Liquidated long on `XMR7D`: Sell 45 @ 0.019130
[2016-09-06 22:39:23] mjones : rofl xmr
[2016-09-06 22:39:29] Tetsuo : lol
[2016-09-06 22:39:37] CaptainDean : buy ?
[2016-09-06 22:39:46] Tetsuo : nope
[2016-09-06 22:39:48] mjones : no
[2016-09-06 22:40:04] mjones : yes now
[2016-09-06 22:40:07] CaptainDean : too risky ?
[2016-09-06 22:40:24] Tetsuo : bull trap started to close
[2016-09-06 22:44:39] CaptainDean : i was watching the 5 min bar (poloniex doens't have the 1 min) i gues you guys called it 1 min later baed on the 1 min chart right ?
[2016-09-06 22:44:51] mjones : https://bitcoinwisdom.com/markets/poloniex/xmrbtc
[2016-09-06 22:44:59] mjones : hope you got in at 0.0193
[2016-09-06 22:45:14] CaptainDean : 19477
[2016-09-06 22:45:54] CaptainDean : i wish i had bough more
[2016-09-06 22:45:56] CaptainDean : but it's fine
[2016-09-06 22:46:06] mjones : it'll come back down
[2016-09-06 22:46:17] Tetsuo : prepare to drop it like it´s hot
[2016-09-06 22:47:48] CaptainDean : yeah i think i will go out soon
[2016-09-06 22:47:51] CaptainDean : doesn't look good
[2016-09-06 22:48:45] CaptainDean : well, some solid base now
[2016-09-06 22:49:04] CaptainDean : buy sell is pretty much equels
[2016-09-06 22:49:16] mjones : new low
[2016-09-06 22:49:32] mjones : dip buyers out in full force
[2016-09-06 22:52:57] CaptainDean : i'm out ! :P
[2016-09-06 22:53:31] mjones : yeah
[2016-09-06 22:53:39] CaptainDean : small profit .. but didn't loose nothing
[2016-09-06 22:53:43] mjones : xmr big double top and here comes the dump
[2016-09-06 22:54:30] mjones : 12 hour MACD crossing down for the first time since the pump started at 0.003
[2016-09-06 22:56:44] CaptainDean : so close to a new low
[2016-09-06 22:56:44] mjones : lol xmr orderbook is missing the market maker
[2016-09-06 22:56:58] mjones : incoming 0.0186
[2016-09-06 22:57:01] CaptainDean : yeah it happens sometimes
[2016-09-06 22:57:27] mjones : that's why i hate being on the wrong end when it disappears. rekt
[2016-09-06 22:57:35] CaptainDean : yeah
[2016-09-06 22:58:03] CaptainDean : the MM is hard on us when it an uptrend it's like +0.3 on the price ... downtread almost as the current price
[2016-09-06 22:58:21] CaptainDean : like I sold at 196xxx but the price was at 20000
[2016-09-06 22:58:25] justinlooking : i think 182 at least if 195 breaks
[2016-09-06 22:58:26] CaptainDean : it's an enormous but
[2016-09-06 22:58:26] mjones : yeah
[2016-09-06 22:58:32] CaptainDean : cut**
[2016-09-06 22:59:00] mjones : massive accumulation by the believers for a while now. then when everyone gives up, moon
[2016-09-06 23:01:03] rapidtrades : monero is donero
[2016-09-06 23:01:39] CaptainDean : looks like short to me now
[2016-09-06 23:04:06] CaptainDean : we might survive it
[2016-09-06 23:04:57] laisee : el monero, esta muerto
[2016-09-06 23:05:08] CaptainDean : so we dit ! :P
[2016-09-06 23:05:12] CaptainDean : did
[2016-09-06 23:05:13] mjones : someone loves expensive xmr
[2016-09-06 23:06:26] laisee : CaptainDean: monero is dead, and you guys here killd him
[2016-09-06 23:07:15] CaptainDean : laisee: Last time i check you were here ;-)
[2016-09-06 23:07:52] laisee : I was hodling ... XMR is the future
[2016-09-06 23:08:20] laisee : future what ... I'm not sure
[2016-09-06 23:08:34] CaptainDean : laisee: :D
[2016-09-06 23:26:42] CaptainDean : XMR back up ?
[2016-09-06 23:26:49] CaptainDean : no trading for ma I have to go now
[2016-09-06 23:27:00] CaptainDean : i just aw the new low
[2016-09-06 23:27:05] CaptainDean : nevermind ! :P
[2016-09-06 23:28:06] mjones : xmr bouncing around
[2016-09-06 23:50:30] rapidtrades : yen pairs just crumbled
[2016-09-07 00:00:59] laisee : buy yen, sell usd?
[2016-09-07 00:03:57] rapidtrades : unfortunately im long there..but my short eur/jpy helps :)
[2016-09-07 00:04:39] rapidtrades : yuan continues to strengthen too
[2016-09-07 00:36:26] CaptainDean : xmr double top (bottom) is that also applied for downtrend (the double top figure) ?
[2016-09-07 00:46:56] mjones : yeah 0.0195 looks like a solid bottom for the short term
[2016-09-07 00:56:46] rapidtrades : that can't be a bottom
[2016-09-07 01:10:46] CaptainDean : real bottom 187 ?
[2016-09-07 01:46:33] Rado : I think XMR uptrend is done for now
[2016-09-07 01:47:01] Rado : short will be the easy trade instead of trying to go long
[2016-09-07 01:48:00] mjones : had 3 nice big pumps. bull trap on the 3rd pump. some deep pockets trying to hold it up though still
[2016-09-07 01:48:31] mjones : and checking out FCT 10x margin. drops 0.002 and boom margin called
[2016-09-07 01:49:24] mjones : i mean 0.0002
[2016-09-07 01:49:47] mjones : 0.004672 to 0.00444
[2016-09-07 01:51:50] Rado : Wtf is NAV coin?
[2016-09-07 02:01:55] mjones : It was a really cheap coin
[2016-09-07 04:15:11] CaptainDean : Are we using Bitfinex in the Kaiko price ?
[2016-09-07 04:15:34] CaptainDean : i tought it was 50% BTCe and 50% stamp
[2016-09-07 04:25:25] CaptainDean : double top XMR
[2016-09-07 04:25:57] CaptainDean : slightly new high on the second tho
[2016-09-07 04:47:00] BitMEX_Jinming : CaptainDean: No Bitfinex. It is 50% bitstamp and 50% OKC.
[2016-09-07 05:10:18] CaptainDean : hooo ok thanks
[2016-09-07 06:19:30] Doppelganger : .
[2016-09-07 08:28:07] jordy : hi
[2016-09-07 08:28:51] jordy : the funding rate will directly be funded to my assigned margin ?
[2016-09-07 08:29:21] BitMEX_Wally : jordy: Yes, the funding goes directly into or from the margin assigned to the position
[2016-09-07 09:10:47] Kalman : BitMEX_Jinming: Hi, is there a way one can download the complete trade history in one run and not only the 100 selected?
[2016-09-07 09:22:39] BitMEX_Wally : Kalman: You can get 500 at once via the API
[2016-09-07 09:23:09] BitMEX_Wally : Also @j8 has created some scripts that can download it in one go: https://github.com/BitMEX/easy-data-scripts
[2016-09-07 09:26:08] Kalman : BitMEX_Wally: Thx
[2016-09-07 09:36:43] jordy : hi
[2016-09-07 09:37:01] jordy : do you have auto margin system?
[2016-09-07 09:37:55] jordy : so I don't need to adjust the margin assigned for each position ?
[2016-09-07 09:39:22] BitMEX_Wally : jordy: You can drag the Leverage selector to 'Cross'
[2016-09-07 09:39:43] BitMEX_Wally : https://www.bitmex.com/app/isolatedMargin
[2016-09-07 09:43:28] jordy : how to activate ?
[2016-09-07 09:59:06] BitMEX_Wally : Follow the link
[2016-09-07 10:04:28] jordy : I didn't get the idea from the link
[2016-09-07 10:06:28] jordy : I still have to change the assign margin of my open positions one by one
[2016-09-07 10:07:04] lockhedge : "Cross Margin: Margin is shared between open positions. When needed, a position will draw more margin from the total account balance to avoid liquidation."
[2016-09-07 10:07:49] jordy : yes...but how to activate it ?
[2016-09-07 10:07:59] jordy : seems I am isolated margin for my positons
[2016-09-07 10:09:42] jordy : by the way, how long does it take to transfer back my bitcoin to my wallet....
[2016-09-07 10:09:55] lockhedge : can you move the slider back to "Cross"?
[2016-09-07 10:09:59] jordy : it is confirmed but I can't see the payment in my wallet
[2016-09-07 10:10:30] jordy : yes...it is done
[2016-09-07 10:10:31] jordy : thanks
[2016-09-07 10:10:44] jordy : I don't know the left side is cross
[2016-09-07 10:10:47] jordy : sorry for that
[2016-09-07 10:20:13] jordy : my withdrawal of bitcoin is confirmed
[2016-09-07 10:20:36] jordy : for 30 minutes , when can I receive my funds ?
[2016-09-07 10:22:40] lockhedge : "Withdrawals must be submitted by 13:00 UTC (in 3 hours) to be included in the day's batch. For security reasons, BitMEX processes withdrawals with manual review once a day." https://www.bitmex.com/app/withdraw
[2016-09-07 10:43:14] subjective : Epic XMR 4H support line approaching, hold or break down..?
[2016-09-07 11:07:26] jordy : hi, I have deposited some bitcoin into my account
[2016-09-07 11:07:38] jordy : how long does it take to arrive ?
[2016-09-07 11:09:39] jordy : it is too slow compared to other bitcoin transaction
[2016-09-07 11:10:46] BitMEX_Wally : jordy: We only require 1 block confirmation before the funds are credited to your account
[2016-09-07 11:10:50] BitMEX_Wally : Let me check your account
[2016-09-07 11:11:37] herpinator : normally doesn't take too long from my experience
[2016-09-07 11:12:49] BitMEX_Wally : jordy: Your transaction was broadcast 9 minutes ago, and the last Bitcoin block was 39 minutes ago
[2016-09-07 11:13:42] BitMEX_Wally : With the high fee on your transaction it will be confirmed in the next block
[2016-09-07 11:16:41] BitMEX_Wally : jordy: Your deposit has just confirmed and has been credited to your account
[2016-09-07 11:37:08] jordy : thanks, how can I trade 100x futures?
[2016-09-07 11:46:31] kogroken : Currently 50x seems to be the highest offered.
[2016-09-07 11:46:55] habibi : jordy: https://www.bitmex.com/app/trade/XBJ24H
[2016-09-07 11:47:55] kogroken : Oh, didn't know the BTC/YEN futures had 100x. Seems strangle, the volume is so low with them.
[2016-09-07 11:48:02] kogroken : strange*
[2016-09-07 11:48:17] jordy : habibi: noted with thanks
[2016-09-07 11:57:39] investor : XMR gonna take a run
[2016-09-07 12:57:44] Tetsuo : run to the center of the earth!
[2016-09-07 13:03:52] REKT : Liquidated long on `XMR7D`: Sell 42 @ 0.019172
[2016-09-07 13:04:32] mjones : so long XMR.
[2016-09-07 13:23:12] CaptainDean : 187 resistance
[2016-09-07 13:48:54] laisee : XMR dead agin?
[2016-09-07 13:57:59] laisee : guess I will need to dig into savings and buy mas dinero a.k.a monero
[2016-09-07 13:58:35] laisee : if everyone buys $10 worth we can rescue XMR
[2016-09-07 14:27:25] aethlios : I will buy 50$
[2016-09-07 14:29:53] aethlios : all quite in the major fronts
[2016-09-07 14:32:00] laisee : Thanks, aethlios! Every bit helps :-)
[2016-09-07 14:33:03] laisee : rapidtrades: its ok to buy 1 contract instead
[2016-09-07 14:34:00] jordy : what is the funding rate history
[2016-09-07 14:34:21] aethlios : laisee: I want to buy back, target 0.0071, the 10.000 coins I sold 0.01475. So my bid is 0.0071
[2016-09-07 14:35:54] laisee : patience, aethlios: your time will come when 0.0071 can buy
[2016-09-07 14:37:39] aethlios : laisee: it is fib retr 23%, I keep the sale reveneu in btc, if btc pumps hope for a correction. don't forget monero was a 1.5 usd coin for 2 years.
[2016-09-07 14:38:45] aethlios : also want to buy some bbr, bbr and aeon are also like monero cryptonote coins, both 2.5 years old.
[2016-09-07 14:39:09] aethlios : like btc has ltc
[2016-09-07 14:42:26] aethlios : bought monero 0.00247 sold 0.01475, want funds to get in zcash, but no more than 2 usd price. with zcash hype monero can slowly go down next 3 months, but who knows......
[2016-09-07 14:42:28] laisee : aethlios: I was buying XMR couple of years back, and mining ducknote before it became "famous"
[2016-09-07 14:42:56] laisee : boolberry?
[2016-09-07 14:43:09] aethlios : laisee: are you looking at zcash?? it is very hyped already.
[2016-09-07 14:43:23] aethlios : yes boolbery, is on poloniex
[2016-09-07 14:43:31] laisee : I like the ideas ... but maybe the hype peaked a little early?
[2016-09-07 14:43:54] aethlios : they say fixed some weaknesses of monero, check bitcointalk page.
[2016-09-07 14:44:05] BitMEX_Wally : jordy: Funding rate history is here: https://www.bitmex.com/app/fundingHistory
[2016-09-07 14:44:44] aethlios : zcash maybe wait for 1 year for supply to grow and hype to go away.
[2016-09-07 14:44:58] laisee : aethlios: true. and prbably the next "privacy" coin to come along won't have a name at all
[2016-09-07 14:45:26] aethlios : laisee: haha!
[2016-09-07 14:46:58] laisee : ;-)
[2016-09-07 14:50:16] aethlios : crypto market is the new eldorado, fiat will come in next 10 years, many opportunities to make a lot of money AND have FUN!!!
[2016-09-07 14:51:14] aethlios : it is like the railways in early 1800, or the dot com stocks, etc.
[2016-09-07 14:52:07] aethlios : started trading nov. of 2013, almost 3 years now, feel to know the market well now.
[2016-09-07 15:01:05] laisee : aethlios: started about same time. downloaded BTC code and compiled it. started working on 1st bitcoin exchange in Dec '13
[2016-09-07 15:04:41] habibi : laisee: few months later gox went to hell, nice work :)
[2016-09-07 15:05:30] laisee : heh. I applied for account at Gox, got turned down for KYC stuff and didn't bother. Then it failed :-/
[2016-09-07 15:06:10] rapidtrades : laisee: not even good enough for Gox
[2016-09-07 15:06:14] rapidtrades : that must sting
[2016-09-07 15:06:29] laisee : still hurts ... can't "code" in php.
[2016-09-07 15:06:59] laisee : worst.coder.in.bitcoin,eva
[2016-09-07 15:34:01] QuantFocus : funding rate just chewing up profits
[2016-09-07 15:37:20] QuantFocus : does okc charge funding or lending fees?
[2016-09-07 15:38:46] sleger : no cause it's futures
[2016-09-07 15:39:01] QuantFocus : they don't offer spot leverage?
[2016-09-07 15:39:13] BitMEX_Sam : Very different type of product.
[2016-09-07 15:39:48] QuantFocus : BitMEX_Sam: sure. it's just painful seeing 50% of profit lost to funding
[2016-09-07 15:40:10] BitMEX_Sam : Yes - however you may pay a similar amount due to basis decay on a future
[2016-09-07 15:40:10] QuantFocus : i've had this conversation on here before, so don't want to rehash it
[2016-09-07 15:40:48] sleger : I doubt you'd end up paying 150% per annum with long term futures
[2016-09-07 15:40:53] QuantFocus : it just doesn't seem like the positive and negative funding truly balance out, even over a period of flat returns on xbt
[2016-09-07 15:41:28] BitMEX_Sam : They aren't meant to, they should charge long more often than shorts.
[2016-09-07 15:41:41] BitMEX_Sam : Just as XBT futures more often have positive basis.
[2016-09-07 15:42:20] QuantFocus : i thought the intent of the funding was to force market back to spot?
[2016-09-07 15:42:34] QuantFocus : er, i guess spot back to mark
[2016-09-07 15:42:44] lockhedge : next week's okc future's premium is equivalent to 0.0398% daily funding
[2016-09-07 15:42:47] BitMEX_Sam : It is to move trading to mark. And that more often will be positive funding.
[2016-09-07 15:43:23] rapidtrades : ywah that#s why it sucks
[2016-09-07 15:43:45] BitMEX_Sam : Not sure how that comment follows, considering it's built to emulate futures.
[2016-09-07 15:43:51] QuantFocus : just as a hypothetical, if xbt starts any given week at $610, and ends the week at the same price, and mark price ends there as well, would funding still be positive?
[2016-09-07 15:43:56] BitMEX_Sam : You either pay/receive the daily funding, or pay/receive basis.
[2016-09-07 15:44:08] BitMEX_Sam : QuantFocus: Depends on how it trades in the meantime.
[2016-09-07 15:44:14] rapidtrades : positive means longs receive when they should pay @BitMEX_Sam
[2016-09-07 15:44:43] BitMEX_Sam : rapidtrades: No, positive means longs pay shorts.
[2016-09-07 15:45:08] rapidtrades : well not sure if thats the actual outcome
[2016-09-07 15:45:25] BitMEX_Sam : How do you mean? It's a transaction in black & white.
[2016-09-07 15:45:53] rapidtrades : idk guess i have to check my records
[2016-09-07 15:46:19] rapidtrades : it's my impression that longs are getting a better deal
[2016-09-07 15:47:13] zanza : Sam did you ever consider having the funding rate calculated off ONLY the difference between INDEX and MARK ?
[2016-09-07 15:47:49] sleger : what would be mark in that case ?
[2016-09-07 15:48:06] zanza : so, if index is 610, mark is 611 611/610 - 1 = .00163
[2016-09-07 15:48:20] sleger : where does 611 come from ?
[2016-09-07 15:48:40] zanza : say 610 is current INDEX (spot) and 610 is current MARK
[2016-09-07 15:48:45] lockhedge : zanza: you mean index and market? only based on the premium index?
[2016-09-07 15:48:53] sleger : mark is not market
[2016-09-07 15:49:03] zanza : say 610 is current INDEX (spot) and 611 is current MARK
[2016-09-07 15:49:12] zanza : (thats is the correct version what it should read as )
[2016-09-07 15:49:18] zanza : mark is not market
[2016-09-07 15:49:23] zanza : let me think about that
[2016-09-07 15:49:48] zanza : yes lockhedge, so you could skip outside data sources for interest
[2016-09-07 15:50:28] zanza : Funding would not be reliant on Poloniex or BitFinex interest rates
[2016-09-07 15:51:12] sleger : it wouldnt be very different from what it is now
[2016-09-07 15:51:18] lockhedge : agree that it does not make sense to use bitfinex swaps as underlying interest rates
[2016-09-07 15:51:44] sleger : the current funding is mostly based on premium already
[2016-09-07 15:52:31] BitMEX_Greg : zanza: We need to have a premium index attached too, when we didn't we had a lot of DPE
[2016-09-07 15:54:12] rapidtrades : yeah zanza's idea is stupid
[2016-09-07 15:55:09] zanza : ty rapidtrades
[2016-09-07 15:55:26] rapidtrades : yw
[2016-09-07 15:56:56] rapidtrades : $616.37 <spot the outlier
[2016-09-07 15:57:23] lockhedge : zanza's sugestion makes sense for xbtusd, more illiquid swaps probably need an external reference.
[2016-09-07 15:58:04] zanza : https://bfxdata.com/sentiment/longshort.php
[2016-09-07 15:58:05] rapidtrades : how does it make sense? index and mark trade very close
[2016-09-07 15:58:21] rapidtrades : zanza: noone cares above buttfinex anymore
[2016-09-07 15:58:38] zanza : if Mark is higher than Index, then funding is positive. If Mark is lower than Index, then funding is negative
[2016-09-07 15:59:05] rapidtrades : but mark doesn't capture the premium/discount
[2016-09-07 16:00:56] rapidtrades : has anyone gone back to trade on buttfinex?
[2016-09-07 16:01:31] BitMEX_Sam : You are confusing mark price (which is simply index + next period's premium * decay) vs impact mid price
[2016-09-07 16:02:15] BitMEX_Sam : Funding is not calculated on mark's deviation from index - that would be nonsensical as we set mark. It's calculated on impact mid's deviation from mark.
[2016-09-07 16:03:17] rapidtrades : see zanza? ur talking nonsense again
[2016-09-07 16:04:40] Tetsuo : BTC will lift off hard SOONISH. Bear REKT incoming
[2016-09-07 16:04:48] zanza : i need precious metals to drop in price, can you do a rain dance for me rapidtrades ?
[2016-09-07 16:08:47] zanza : i can't believe Finex is gaining so much volume , did they ever even announce new security measures? (not keeping everything in hot wallet)
[2016-09-07 16:09:02] zanza : they lied before about it, how do people trust them ?
[2016-09-07 16:09:34] rapidtrades : they're prolly faking volume
[2016-09-07 16:09:41] rapidtrades : that's why i was asking if anyone's back
[2016-09-07 16:10:10] XMRer : do they have triggers sound here?
[2016-09-07 16:11:28] BitMEX_Greg : XMRer: I'm not sure our triggers have sound alerts, something i can bring up to Sam though
[2016-09-07 16:32:08] XMRer : ok
[2016-09-07 16:40:32] CaptainDean : XMR giong down
[2016-09-07 16:40:36] CaptainDean : we broke the 187 resistance
[2016-09-07 16:44:41] CaptainDean : BitMEX_Sam: How's the XMR MM works ? current price is 19050 and it buys at 18557, that's HUGE cut ... kind of ridiculous
[2016-09-07 16:47:15] BitMEX_Greg : CaptainDean: Do you mean maintenance margin?
[2016-09-07 16:47:36] CaptainDean : BitMEX_Greg: sorry about not MM, but the markers
[2016-09-07 16:47:57] CaptainDean : or whatever is it called
[2016-09-07 16:48:02] BitMEX_Greg : market makers?
[2016-09-07 16:48:05] CaptainDean : yes
[2016-09-07 16:48:28] BitMEX_Greg : np sometimes they use the same acronym. Are you just referring to the price difference?
[2016-09-07 16:48:48] CaptainDean : BitMEX_Greg: yeah the spread something is just way off
[2016-09-07 16:48:58] CaptainDean : sometimes*
[2016-09-07 16:49:19] BitMEX_Greg : It's a futures contract with settlement on Friday, so the basis could be one element as to why it is pricing differently
[2016-09-07 16:49:26] BitMEX_Greg : could also be just different flow
[2016-09-07 16:49:57] BitMEX_Greg : or the market maker's position? Maybe they are too long, so trying to incentivise other buyers in the market by pricing down?
[2016-09-07 16:51:16] CaptainDean : BitMEX_Greg: I look at poloniex price ... let's say 190000 and I want to short, .. current buy price is like 18500-18600, i'm just saying i won't trade since the spread is too much. but i'm no pro with all the technicality and MM.
[2016-09-07 16:51:33] CaptainDean : might be the way it's working
[2016-09-07 16:51:46] CaptainDean : I just feel the cut is enormous
[2016-09-07 16:51:54] BitMEX_Greg : It's not a cut
[2016-09-07 16:52:06] CaptainDean : BitMEX_Greg: well it feels like it
[2016-09-07 16:52:46] BitMEX_Greg : The market is pricing where the market is trading, that's all it is
[2016-09-07 16:53:04] BitMEX_Greg : You can always arb it, buy here and sell on polo and make the difference
[2016-09-07 16:53:13] aethlios : CaptainDean: place an ask little higher and wait for a small retrace in polo so your order is hitted.
[2016-09-07 16:54:41] aethlios : slow xmr bleeding, haven't dumped yet.
[2016-09-07 17:03:51] CaptainDean : yeat it will go down futher
[2016-09-07 17:04:32] aethlios : could dump suddenly a lot
[2016-09-07 17:04:50] aethlios : 0.01275 a support
[2016-09-07 17:05:44] aethlios : below that next very strong support 0.007, those are possible entry levels.
[2016-09-07 17:06:04] aethlios : I wait 0.0071 to re-enter my long.
[2016-09-07 17:08:35] REKT : Liquidated long on `XMR7D`: Sell 20 @ 0.018250
[2016-09-07 17:09:07] REKT : Liquidated long on `XMR7D`: Sell 750 @ 0.018067
[2016-09-07 17:17:25] justinlooking : xmREKT
[2016-09-07 17:18:18] CaptainDean : there is two little resistance down the road 1720 and 1682 .. but not much nothing solid
[2016-09-07 17:18:35] CaptainDean : but nothing solid
[2016-09-07 17:18:35] CaptainDean : **
[2016-09-07 17:22:32] aethlios : CaptainDean: xmr top happened when btc pumped to 615. it is a law in crypto, btc up > alts down.
[2016-09-07 17:23:09] aethlios : so if btc keeps going to 800 or above, xmr dumping will contineu
[2016-09-07 17:24:33] justinlooking : bid-side resistance is not a thing. it is called support
[2016-09-07 17:25:57] CaptainDean : aethlios: gotcha ! thanks
[2016-09-07 17:26:06] CaptainDean : justinlooking: thanks, i will educate myself on that
[2016-09-07 17:27:07] aethlios : CaptainDean: but don't plan your trading based on mine or others opinions, we just exchange our market view, I maybe wrong etc.
[2016-09-07 17:27:27] CaptainDean : aethlios: Yeah i know, it's a good advice ;-)
[2016-09-07 17:28:12] aethlios : Yes because the market is unpredictable, we don't know what will happen.
[2016-09-07 17:28:41] justinlooking : have i already complained this month about green sells and red buys in recent trades?
[2016-09-07 17:32:55] habibi : green higher than last price/red lower, white same
[2016-09-07 17:33:35] REKT : Liquidated long on `XMR7D`: Sell 150 @ 0.018001
[2016-09-07 17:35:22] REKT : Liquidated long on `XMR7D`: Sell 4 @ 0.017833 :punch: :whale:
[2016-09-07 17:36:07] REKT : Liquidated long on `XMR7D`: Sell 40 @ 0.017760
[2016-09-07 17:37:16] justinlooking : habibi: yup. but it's backwards to use color to represent price movement in a "time and sales" feature, instead of whether bought and sold. have been trying to adjust for over a year
[2016-09-07 17:37:52] REKT : Liquidated long on `XMR7D`: Sell 26 @ 0.017698
[2016-09-07 17:52:03] aethlios : let's see if btc will pump to 660 now....
[2016-09-07 18:04:50] luckynuke : is there a breakout b0iss ?
[2016-09-07 18:22:03] Tetsuo : in the making
[2016-09-07 18:58:56] BTCDJS : iMessage by iPhone to have circle integration?
[2016-09-07 19:01:07] BTCDJS : If that's true then Bitcoin going to moon
[2016-09-07 19:03:52] Tetsuo : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66WNiQhr3ss
[2016-09-07 19:13:31] zanza : time to list Siacoin
[2016-09-07 19:28:53] BTCDJS : Parently it's true http://www.scmp.com/tech/apps-gaming/article/2016359/apples-imessages-will-be-more-visual-i0s10
[2016-09-07 19:37:11] rapidtrades : noone gives a shit
[2016-09-07 19:44:24] rapidtrades : $617.78 <that's all u need to know
[2016-09-07 19:44:49] rapidtrades : we will need a new crisis in order to decouple from buttfinex
[2016-09-07 19:44:57] rapidtrades : bots are still taking it seriously
[2016-09-07 19:47:33] CaptainDean : XMR back up, 500 BTC wall got buy like some little hot cake
[2016-09-07 19:49:40] rapidtrades : if tokens pump on that bnktothefuture thing it could be a good sell
[2016-09-07 20:19:27] BTCDJS : how come my wallet balance went down when I bought at 611 and current price is above that after funding/rebalancing? shouldn't my balance be up?
[2016-09-07 20:22:37] BitMEX_Sam : BTCDJS: Rebalance is not the same as funding
[2016-09-07 20:22:44] BitMEX_Sam : Rebalance is once a day, funding is 3x.