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[2016-09-05 21:19:40] Bitspender : wtf?
[2016-09-05 21:26:03] BitMEX_Greg : Bitspender: Hi how can I help
[2016-09-05 21:26:20] BitMEX_Greg : The price you see in your Trade History is the Bankruptcy Price
[2016-09-05 21:26:58] Bitspender : what do you mean bankruptcy price?
[2016-09-05 21:26:58] BitMEX_Greg : The Maintenance Margin on XMR is 5%, so you need to add that back to the bankruptcy price to get your liquidated price.
[2016-09-05 21:27:14] BitMEX_Greg : The bankruptcy price is where your margin = 0%
[2016-09-05 21:27:22] BitMEX_Greg : You should have received an email that explains all this, please check
[2016-09-05 21:27:32] Bitspender : sounds like some BS
[2016-09-05 21:27:45] Bitspender : stealing funds
[2016-09-05 21:28:04] BitMEX_Greg : We don't steal funds. Take a read of the liquidation email and then come back to me if you have further questions
[2016-09-05 21:35:44] mjones : XMR downtrend almost broken. 0.03 incoming
[2016-09-05 21:49:24] Tetsuo : Denied
[2016-09-05 21:49:29] Tetsuo : BTC up; XMR down!
[2016-09-05 21:49:56] Tetsuo : BTC just broke resistance, while XMR just popped it´s head against it
[2016-09-05 21:52:15] Tetsuo : Bitspender: Thanx for ur moneeeez
[2016-09-05 22:10:29] Panoukla : BitMEX_Greg: my position was rebalanced and i have a new entry price but it doesn't show on the position panel
[2016-09-05 22:25:51] rapidtrades : bitcoin going nowhere
[2016-09-05 22:26:01] rapidtrades : soon it will go southware
[2016-09-05 22:27:55] MrRGnome : So are you short rapid? Or just running your mouth
[2016-09-05 22:28:26] rapidtrades : MrRGnome: doesn't matter
[2016-09-05 22:28:38] MrRGnome : So "just running my mouth"
[2016-09-05 22:28:41] rapidtrades : i don't bet my opinions
[2016-09-05 22:29:27] rapidtrades : Gartman: 'All but impossible' for Fed to raise rates
[2016-09-05 22:29:37] rapidtrades : higher rates coming boys!
[2016-09-05 22:30:11] wotan : fed wont raise anything if they do they want the crash
[2016-09-05 22:30:19] wotan : its just bla bla in my opinion
[2016-09-05 22:30:20] rapidtrades : what will that do to ur precious BTC
[2016-09-05 22:31:00] Tetsuo : 1000$ and beyond!
[2016-09-05 22:31:05] MrRGnome : 'precious'? You getting all lord of the rings about your crypto rapid?
[2016-09-05 22:31:29] rapidtrades : wotan: show me the evidence that higher rates leads to crashes
[2016-09-05 22:32:08] wotan : our money system is like a drug addicted to low rates we even have negative rates
[2016-09-05 22:32:24] wotan : the banks soon shoot up all their power since 2008
[2016-09-05 22:32:37] wotan : it will end in an brutaaal big crash
[2016-09-05 22:33:06] wotan : in the end it doesnt matter if it will happen with bigger rates from fed or not
[2016-09-05 22:33:35] rapidtrades : right so u have no evidence
[2016-09-05 22:34:14] rapidtrades : im more bullish on the sp500 then i am on bitcorn
[2016-09-05 22:34:36] wotan : your right i cant give you an evidence there are different opinions to this topic
[2016-09-05 22:34:57] MrRGnome : 'the banks soon shoot up all their power since 2008 it will end in a brutaaal big crash in the end it doesn't matter...' - wotan
[2016-09-05 22:35:05] MrRGnome : What sage economic insight
[2016-09-05 22:35:05] wotan : but whats for sure that our economic our money system is in big danger
[2016-09-05 22:35:09] rapidtrades : like i said, i don't bet on opinions @wotan
[2016-09-05 22:35:44] rapidtrades : yeah ppl have been saying that for the past 8 years
[2016-09-05 22:35:57] wotan : good betting on stocks and the sp500 its just a game and it could be hard to leave once it start to fall
[2016-09-05 22:36:18] wotan : rapidtrades we are in crash modus since 8 years dude look at the world
[2016-09-05 22:36:28] rapidtrades : world is fine dude
[2016-09-05 22:36:31] MrRGnome : wotan you're insane
[2016-09-05 22:36:47] MrRGnome : That's while chatting in a room with rapidtrades so it really takes a lot to reach such a high bar
[2016-09-05 22:37:47] wotan : rapidtrades if you call this fine then you should think of your definiotion of fine
[2016-09-05 22:38:06] rapidtrades : it's fine....slow growth is still growth
[2016-09-05 22:38:22] wotan : haha you call growth as an indicator for fine or not
[2016-09-05 22:38:24] MrRGnome : wotan if you call an enormous economic recovery by every metric 'crash modus' you just don't know basic numbers.
[2016-09-05 22:38:36] wotan : look where the wealth go to look at wars and conflicts at unemployment etc
[2016-09-05 22:39:03] wotan : MrRGnome 2008 was little to what im expecting to come soon
[2016-09-05 22:39:40] wotan : your telling me all is good and i tell no its not so i let you your opinion and i have mine lol
[2016-09-05 22:39:41] MrRGnome : You have so many ideas jumbled into one incoherent viewpoint. You need to sit down and organize your thoughts with referable facts and as separate ideas.
[2016-09-05 22:39:48] MrRGnome : As is you come off like an insane conspiracy theorist
[2016-09-05 22:39:57] MrRGnome : totally divorced from reality.
[2016-09-05 22:40:42] wotan : i give that to you you fall for conspirancys and you are far away from reality dude
[2016-09-05 22:41:03] wotan : all i say is based on facts
[2016-09-05 22:41:03] MrRGnome : Ah, the good ol' "I am rubber you are glue" defense.
[2016-09-05 22:41:10] rapidtrades : http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-09-05/hillary-just-had-one-worst-coughing-fits-ever-msnbc-cuts-away
[2016-09-05 22:41:10] MrRGnome : Sure, reference them
[2016-09-05 22:41:19] wotan : you seem to be not enough informed
[2016-09-05 22:41:27] wotan : what you want to know dude
[2016-09-05 22:41:31] rapidtrades : hillary dying would be the only way trump wins this election
[2016-09-05 22:41:34] MrRGnome : I'm very well informed. I even support many of the ideas you are trying to articulate
[2016-09-05 22:41:37] MrRGnome : but you're lieka child
[2016-09-05 22:41:38] MrRGnome : fumbling
[2016-09-05 22:41:54] wotan : 2000 people on the planet own same like haf of humanity you call that all good?
[2016-09-05 22:42:04] wotan : our money is not backed with anything anymore
[2016-09-05 22:42:05] MrRGnome : I call it agross generalization
[2016-09-05 22:42:15] MrRGnome : And trying to infer any conclusion from it is silly
[2016-09-05 22:42:15] wotan : banks even buy stock market shares they buy shares fromates etc st
[2016-09-05 22:42:26] wotan : you shoudl start to think whats money and where it come from
[2016-09-05 22:42:35] MrRGnome : 'banks even buy stock market shares' It's like somone explained to you how banks work yesterday
[2016-09-05 22:43:19] wotan : all banks are pumping money like crazy into the markets while rates are at historic low
[2016-09-05 22:43:30] MrRGnome : I'm well aware of where fiat comes from and what inflation is.
[2016-09-05 22:43:47] MrRGnome : Not that you could adequately explain it if I wasn't.
[2016-09-05 22:43:52] wotan : what we see right now is the biggest insolvency delay in history
[2016-09-05 22:44:02] MrRGnome : No, we don't.
[2016-09-05 22:44:04] wotan : so tell me where most fiat come from
[2016-09-05 22:44:32] wotan : try to hold it simple please
[2016-09-05 22:44:33] MrRGnome : All fiat comes from the same place, printed by public and private institutions.
[2016-09-05 22:44:37] sleger : italy
[2016-09-05 22:44:38] wotan : hahaha
[2016-09-05 22:44:41] wotan : dude
[2016-09-05 22:44:42] rapidtrades : I'll tell u smth...I'm not hating these rollover fees
[2016-09-05 22:45:05] wotan : most fiat is made from debt and you evben dont know that
[2016-09-05 22:45:06] rapidtrades : it pays to be short when every tool is bullish
[2016-09-05 22:45:10] wotan : so i wont talk an ymore sorry
[2016-09-05 22:45:18] MrRGnome : wotan you are so lost in your own terms
[2016-09-05 22:45:38] wotan : and you think most money comes from printing dudeeee
[2016-09-05 22:45:41] MrRGnome : You would really benefit from an introductory macroeconomics class, say from youtube
[2016-09-05 22:45:57] wotan : im laughing hard right now
[2016-09-05 22:46:03] wotan : man man man
[2016-09-05 22:46:08] MrRGnome : 'printing' is a term for the creation of fiat. It needn't be literally printed to be represented
[2016-09-05 22:46:14] MrRGnome : You'd know that if you knew anything about economics
[2016-09-05 22:46:22] wotan : money is made from debts dude
[2016-09-05 22:46:39] wotan : what you think why america has so many debt and who they own it
[2016-09-05 22:46:50] MrRGnome : You are such a shining example of everything wrong with armchair economists.
[2016-09-05 22:47:07] Panoukla : support please check my trades, rebalancing trade, why ? This left me with a much higher entry price
[2016-09-05 22:47:09] wotan : its ok i know what kind of person you are and what you think
[2016-09-05 22:47:18] wotan : maybe you even studied economics
[2016-09-05 22:47:26] wotan : those ppl are mostly the most misinformed
[2016-09-05 22:47:52] MrRGnome : Uh huh, of course we are. We're also all the same. All academic economists have one school of thought. Of course.
[2016-09-05 22:48:01] MrRGnome : You are SO well informed.
[2016-09-05 22:48:04] MrRGnome : /s
[2016-09-05 22:48:07] wotan : but its ok all is good the economic go great money is made from printing and we all love eahc other:)
[2016-09-05 22:48:27] Tetsuo : shut up ypu cunts and make me rich
[2016-09-05 22:48:38] MrRGnome : meow.
[2016-09-05 22:49:05] wotan : Tetsuo: check out nav its pumöing right now and anon release soon
[2016-09-05 22:49:12] rapidtrades : who else misses the quantos
[2016-09-05 22:49:18] wotan : could be ready for another rise on polo
[2016-09-05 22:49:21] rapidtrades : those were the days my friends $$$$$$$$$$$$$$
[2016-09-05 22:49:24] MrRGnome : rapidtrades ack
[2016-09-05 22:49:52] MrRGnome : I don't like dealing with this interest crap.
[2016-09-05 22:49:58] Tetsuo : wotan: i´m in since 3286
[2016-09-05 22:50:27] Tetsuo : 2016-08-29 00:43:56 Buy 0.00003286 39000.18932928
[2016-09-05 22:51:03] wotan : Tetsuo: good job im in since 37 too and will hold
[2016-09-05 22:51:42] rapidtrades : Tetsuo: u bought 39k of what?
[2016-09-05 22:51:53] Tetsuo : NAV
[2016-09-05 22:51:54] wotan : only thing is if btc rise much then even nav will go down lets see
[2016-09-05 22:52:10] rapidtrades : wtf is nav
[2016-09-05 22:52:19] Tetsuo : don´t know, but looked good
[2016-09-05 22:52:26] rapidtrades : cool
[2016-09-05 22:52:55] Tetsuo : I just look on colume and technicals when it comes about alts, i don´t care about fundamental scams
[2016-09-05 22:53:03] mjones : xmr bubble bull trap complete. might be the top here
[2016-09-05 22:54:02] Tetsuo : BTS might ght a nice pump in the next weeks too, just bought 3 BTC worth of it
[2016-09-05 22:55:11] Tetsuo : but most alts will prbably suffer , now that BTC is on it´s way to 1000$,
[2016-09-05 22:55:46] wotan : tetsuo agree bts is a nice thing i use it and like it
[2016-09-05 22:56:01] wotan : amp has its alpha release soon too
[2016-09-05 22:56:04] rapidtrades : btc not going anywhere until buttfinex goes under
[2016-09-05 22:56:09] Tetsuo : i used it since 2012 to buy Acid : - )
[2016-09-05 22:56:22] rapidtrades : acid...that explains a lot
[2016-09-05 22:56:33] Tetsuo : fuck u rapidtrades
[2016-09-05 22:57:33] mjones : nvm XMR breaking up
[2016-09-05 22:57:51] REKT : Liquidated short on `XMR7D`: Buy 250 @ 0.022785
[2016-09-05 22:58:50] Tetsuo : ohoh, XMR just broke out too
[2016-09-05 22:59:39] luckynuke : nope, no breakout for xmmr
[2016-09-05 22:59:59] Tetsuo : well technically, it did just breakout
[2016-09-05 23:00:35] rapidtrades : not rly, the high is at 265
[2016-09-05 23:01:07] Tetsuo : reistance line from the ATh was broken
[2016-09-05 23:02:00] rapidtrades : $614.00 < spot the outlier
[2016-09-05 23:02:33] rapidtrades : We are currently preparing the pitch for publication on BnkToTheFuture and will have it up as soon as we can. The quicker it's up the better it is for everyone and as such we're trying to get everything ready asap. We appreciate everyone's patience.
[2016-09-05 23:02:40] luckynuke : take a look, noobards
[2016-09-05 23:02:41] luckynuke : https://www.tradingview.com/chart/XMRBTC/8k5FPWjr-XMR-BTC/
[2016-09-05 23:03:40] rapidtrades : how can they get away with this...they've been operating for 3 weeks now
[2016-09-05 23:03:53] wotan : rapidtrades: who is preparing for bnktothefuture?
[2016-09-05 23:04:23] rapidtrades : zane said that
[2016-09-05 23:04:38] wotan : and zane is who?
[2016-09-05 23:04:40] Tetsuo : lol, zane, my mate
[2016-09-05 23:05:13] wotan : im confused lol
[2016-09-05 23:05:13] luckynuke : wotan: official from finex
[2016-09-05 23:05:22] wotan : ah nice thanks
[2016-09-05 23:05:26] luckynuke : np#
[2016-09-05 23:05:38] rapidtrades : reddit spokesman for buttfinex
[2016-09-05 23:05:45] wotan : bnktothefuture is nice site
[2016-09-05 23:05:54] luckynuke : rapidtrades: you trade on finex ?
[2016-09-05 23:06:02] wotan : so finex want to get money there?
[2016-09-05 23:07:44] rapidtrades : finex wants a lot of things
[2016-09-05 23:08:06] wotan : wow nav biig dump
[2016-09-05 23:08:28] rapidtrades : Tetsuo: nice work stupid
[2016-09-05 23:09:02] Tetsuo : in @ 34 now @ 55 go suck some monkeys dick
[2016-09-05 23:09:27] rapidtrades : why a monkey?
[2016-09-05 23:09:34] Tetsuo : or trade BFX
[2016-09-05 23:09:45] wotan : i am out with profit for now
[2016-09-05 23:09:52] Tetsuo : coz monkeys are dirty and their dick probably stinks
[2016-09-05 23:10:05] Tetsuo : i lke them anyways
[2016-09-05 23:10:26] rapidtrades : i'll take ur word for it, u prolly know how they taste
[2016-09-05 23:10:51] Tetsuo : ur father told me
[2016-09-05 23:11:38] Tetsuo : well either BTC or XMR is a fakeout, i closed all positions anyway, too drunk to wake up by the alarm probalbly
[2016-09-05 23:43:21] REKT : Liquidated short on `XMR7D`: Buy 1200 @ 0.022956
[2016-09-05 23:43:52] REKT : Liquidated short on `XMR7D`: Buy 467 @ 0.023251
[2016-09-05 23:43:52] REKT : Liquidated short on `XMR7D`: Buy 25 @ 0.023310
[2016-09-05 23:52:06] rapidtrades : god dam u XMR u whore
[2016-09-06 00:01:15] luckynuke : no you are a whore
[2016-09-06 00:01:25] luckynuke : you and xmr could be married
[2016-09-06 00:18:11] daveberns1 : US futures reopen yet? what are we seein?
[2016-09-06 00:18:50] daveberns1 : i see strong USD
[2016-09-06 00:18:52] daveberns1 : flat stocks
[2016-09-06 00:19:02] rapidtrades : futures were open on monday too
[2016-09-06 00:19:14] rapidtrades : up 0.4%
[2016-09-06 00:19:49] daveberns1 : what? really? i thought closed for holiday
[2016-09-06 00:20:22] rapidtrades : stocks yes....sp500 futures were open
[2016-09-06 00:22:58] daveberns1 : ahh ya, see it now
[2016-09-06 00:23:09] daveberns1 : welp on to tuesday
[2016-09-06 00:23:28] daveberns1 : lets go with the strong USD, weak stocks...
[2016-09-06 00:26:23] daveberns1 : meh, maybe not
[2016-09-06 01:12:15] zanza : should I go all in Monero ?
[2016-09-06 01:12:18] zanza : seems like it might be the future
[2016-09-06 01:34:55] mjones : it sure is looking that way.
[2016-09-06 01:35:42] mjones : the whales got behind it like they did with ETH. other anon coins dont stand a chance right now.
[2016-09-06 01:35:45] CaptainDean : XMR won't move until a Whale stop putting his 1000BTC wall. it scares ppl all the time even if it's fake
[2016-09-06 01:36:01] CaptainDean : on poloniex
[2016-09-06 01:36:09] mjones : it did just do a double top. the guy is probably trying to keep a lid on the price
[2016-09-06 01:36:27] CaptainDean : he manipulated the double top
[2016-09-06 01:36:36] CaptainDean : on purpose i'm sure
[2016-09-06 01:37:29] mjones : i should have gotten back in XMR. didnt realize it would recover so well
[2016-09-06 01:38:31] mjones : it should go sideways for a bit though. dont see the hurry to get in
[2016-09-06 01:45:54] CaptainDean : me neither
[2016-09-06 01:52:35] mjones : dash isn't going to. SDC at $11,000,000 is just a pump and dump. all the other smaller coins pump and dump. zcash wont have many coins for a while. XMR can only get better with GUI wallet and whatever else. don't see why they would stop until it hits a billion dollar market cap to make a point
[2016-09-06 01:53:17] mjones : i know some people say it may not be anonymous and by doing this and this but if they do this then it'll be better. so i guess it's worth the risk for these deep pockets
[2016-09-06 02:25:07] CaptainDean : XMR buy order is stacking up big time 7303 BTC
[2016-09-06 02:25:20] CaptainDean : it's going to explode
[2016-09-06 02:25:58] CaptainDean : it will probably go down a bit before tho
[2016-09-06 04:06:21] mjones : xmr will be like 0.025 soon
[2016-09-06 04:06:38] mjones : after some sideways it'll pump towards 0.03 as everyone gets back in and shorts close
[2016-09-06 04:07:21] micmix : go all in, make the bank!
[2016-09-06 06:40:56] AnneHashaway : evening trolls
[2016-09-06 06:51:09] Panoukla : hello support, why i have a trade rebalancing that changed my entry price ?
[2016-09-06 06:53:24] BitMEX_Wally : Panoukla: It changes your entry price for the purposes of unrealised PNL. The proft/loss between your original entry price and the rebalance price has been moved into your wallet
[2016-09-06 06:54:02] BitMEX_Wally : More information about rebalancing here: https://www.bitmex.com/app/dynamicProfitEqualisation#contract-settlement-rebalance
[2016-09-06 07:07:50] Panoukla : so if ETH/XBT rebalances trades every day its not really a perpetual swap
[2016-09-06 07:08:36] BitMEX_Wally : Panoukla: Why not?
[2016-09-06 07:08:47] BitMEX_Wally : Rebalancing does not change your net PNL, or close your position. It just lets you withdraw profit
[2016-09-06 07:08:56] Panoukla : because it will change my entry price
[2016-09-06 07:09:08] BitMEX_Wally : So what?
[2016-09-06 07:09:49] aethlios : https://www.tradingview.com/x/EexDsocv/ my btcusd projection
[2016-09-06 07:10:31] Panoukla : i thought trading was all about entry and exit prices, i must be wrong
[2016-09-06 07:12:11] BitMEX_Wally : Panoukla: It is
[2016-09-06 07:12:24] BitMEX_Wally : The PNL from A to B is the same as the pnl from A to C and C to B
[2016-09-06 07:34:20] aethlios : https://www.tradingview.com/x/F3ovXvEk/ my LTCUSD prediction for a move at least at 10 usd, more possible 25 usd.
[2016-09-06 07:36:46] Tetsuo : aethlios: +1
[2016-09-06 07:41:22] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 1500 @ 0.01901
[2016-09-06 07:42:54] aethlios : eth looks doomed, big support 0.019 in test now
[2016-09-06 07:47:22] aethlios : opened 5000 eth short polo bitmex half-half, stop loss 0.0201, target 0.01455. let's see.
[2016-09-06 07:52:49] Boontjie : aethlios: why you do this, now I need to go long
[2016-09-06 07:52:52] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 1725 @ 0.01885
[2016-09-06 07:52:52] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 430 @ 0.01886
[2016-09-06 08:36:22] REKT : Liquidated long on `XMR7D`: Sell 40 @ 0.021647
[2016-09-06 08:36:22] REKT : Liquidated long on `XMR7D`: Sell 4 @ 0.021647 :punch: :whale:
[2016-09-06 08:37:06] REKT : Liquidated long on `XMR7D`: Sell 200 @ 0.021376
[2016-09-06 08:38:02] REKT : Liquidated long on `XMR7D`: Sell 1 @ 0.021116 :punch: :whale:
[2016-09-06 08:38:07] REKT : Liquidated long on `XMR7D`: Sell 50 @ 0.021064
[2016-09-06 08:47:51] REKT : Liquidated long on `XMR7D`: Sell 150 @ 0.020682
[2016-09-06 08:49:12] BetterNick : Hi guys, does anyone know the websocket response for a partially filled order, in particular the 'ordStatus' field? I know its 'filled' for a fully filled order, but I haven't had a partially filled order yet
[2016-09-06 08:50:02] vbmithr : Ok
[2016-09-06 08:50:06] vbmithr : Yes I know this
[2016-09-06 08:50:39] vbmithr : "PartiallyFilled"
[2016-09-06 08:50:42] BitMEX_Wally : BetterNick: The ordStatus will be `PartiallyFilled` as per the FIX spec
[2016-09-06 08:50:59] BetterNick : Alright, thanks a lot guys!
[2016-09-06 09:49:35] Tetsuo : NAV to da mooon
[2016-09-06 11:26:08] BitMEX_Wally : BetterNick: I'm seeing a lot of order amend rejects from you. 0 is not a valid orderQty
[2016-09-06 11:27:17] BitMEX_Wally : If you don't want to amend the orderQty then don't send it
[2016-09-06 12:01:55] mjones : Pump b
[2016-09-06 12:02:25] aethlios : 665 next pump, eth is hurting now.
[2016-09-06 12:48:22] REKT : Liquidated long on `XMR7D`: Sell 15 @ 0.020385
[2016-09-06 12:57:58] habibi : BitMEX_Wally: hey could u ask mm about offer for 80 btc ask quote and what price he would offer
[2016-09-06 12:59:48] BitMEX_Arthur : habibi: On what contract?
[2016-09-06 13:00:07] habibi : xbt swap
[2016-09-06 13:02:17] habibi : BitMEX_Arthur: doesnt matter forgot about 15k quotes he posting, i can eat them one after another without big slippage
[2016-09-06 13:02:37] BitMEX_Arthur : Ok thanks
[2016-09-06 13:09:37] mjones : cryptowatch added new coins. sdc, maid, nav, lisk
[2016-09-06 13:10:16] mjones : FCT!!
[2016-09-06 13:38:27] HackedOnBFX : boys get ready for BTC rally
[2016-09-06 13:48:17] laisee : BTC ready to blast off to a new level 5$ higher?
[2016-09-06 13:50:00] HackedOnBFX : laisee: right? so boring
[2016-09-06 13:50:12] HackedOnBFX : I need some XMR level volatility
[2016-09-06 13:51:14] HackedOnBFX : I think the downmove from 650 to 600 before the bfx hack was caused by front running shorters, so I expect us to be over $650 this week
[2016-09-06 13:51:23] laisee : such boring. XBT needs xtc
[2016-09-06 13:51:31] HackedOnBFX : laisee: lol yes
[2016-09-06 13:51:58] laisee : HackedOnBFX: u sure on the +50 move?
[2016-09-06 13:54:50] HackedOnBFX : laisee: of course not
[2016-09-06 13:54:57] HackedOnBFX : none of us really know
[2016-09-06 14:06:43] habibi : laisee: 2 months maybe and u will see btClassic
[2016-09-06 14:06:46] habibi : sadly
[2016-09-06 14:22:04] laisee : why sadly? surely market can decide better than feuding geeks
[2016-09-06 14:24:45] habibi : i guess good for trading opportunities but at the end will be some bad drama for project
[2016-09-06 14:24:55] habibi : as it is and was for ethereum in general
[2016-09-06 14:54:40] laisee : better to fail fast and learn something useful than stall forever waiting for the perfect software upgrade IMHO ....
[2016-09-06 15:00:33] zanza : Poloniux is just penny stock platform now
[2016-09-06 15:12:43] rapidtrades : usd/cnh down to 6.66
[2016-09-06 15:13:25] rapidtrades : 6.67
[2016-09-06 18:45:53] btcqpwo : +*----------------------
[2016-09-06 19:29:27] jordy : hihi
[2016-09-06 19:29:55] jordy : May I ask what is the margin lending rate I am paying for my current positions?
[2016-09-06 19:30:10] BitMEX_Greg : jordy: Hi, what instruments are you trading?
[2016-09-06 19:31:08] jordy : 50x margin financing
[2016-09-06 19:31:18] jordy : just a trial
[2016-09-06 19:31:24] BitMEX_Greg : so XBTUSD?
[2016-09-06 19:31:29] jordy : yes
[2016-09-06 19:31:38] jordy : but I don't know how to see the interest
[2016-09-06 19:31:46] jordy : check I mean
[2016-09-06 19:32:06] BitMEX_Greg : Sure, currently its at 0.0848% to be paid in 28 minutes (if you are long).
[2016-09-06 19:32:18] BitMEX_Greg : You can check here: https://www.bitmex.com/app/trade/XBTUSD
[2016-09-06 19:32:28] jordy : for the whole profolio?
[2016-09-06 19:32:31] BitMEX_Greg : On the left side of the screen under "Contract Details". It mentions "Funding"
[2016-09-06 19:32:52] BitMEX_Greg : For XBTUSD, whatever position you have on it will be 0.0848% of the total value
[2016-09-06 19:33:02] jordy : I have bought 2800 usd so it is 2800 usd * 0.0848%?
[2016-09-06 19:33:12] jordy : how about if I settled it before the time
[2016-09-06 19:33:37] jordy : I just opened the position , why I have to pay interest so fast ?
[2016-09-06 19:34:26] BitMEX_Greg : The interest is done at specific intervals, 3x a day at 04:00, 12:00, and 20:00 UTC time
[2016-09-06 19:34:37] BitMEX_Greg : If you close the position prior to the funding Timestamp then you won't pay anything
[2016-09-06 19:35:10] jordy : why the interest rate is so high ?
[2016-09-06 19:35:10] BitMEX_Greg : You can also check the rates here: https://www.bitmex.com/app/contract/XBTUSD
[2016-09-06 19:35:35] nip : 0.08% is high?
[2016-09-06 19:36:09] sleger : try to annualize it
[2016-09-06 19:36:31] jordy : it accounts for 92.856% annual interest
[2016-09-06 19:36:33] nip : 29%
[2016-09-06 19:37:03] BitMEX_Greg : The rate is per interval, so you need to multiply by 3 to get the daily rate
[2016-09-06 19:37:04] jordy : 0.0848*3*365=92.856%
[2016-09-06 19:37:29] nip : 0.08483365 = 29%
[2016-09-06 19:37:31] jordy : 0.0848x3x365
[2016-09-06 19:37:41] BitMEX_Greg : So if you believe it is high, you can always sell the product and receive the funding
[2016-09-06 19:37:43] jordy : =92.856 annual interest rate
[2016-09-06 19:37:55] jordy : well...how much I can have ?
[2016-09-06 19:38:06] jordy : the same ?
[2016-09-06 19:38:38] nip : jordy: it changes every 8 hours pseudorandomly
[2016-09-06 19:38:48] BitMEX_Greg : It depends on your position, if you sell 100 XBT then your interest will be 100 XBT * 0.0848% = 0.0848 XBT for this current period
[2016-09-06 19:38:53] nip : no point in annualizing it
[2016-09-06 19:39:31] jordy : well...if you keep on selling it then it is huge
[2016-09-06 19:39:41] jordy : since it is compound interest
[2016-09-06 19:41:00] jordy : well....so what is bitmex charging us ?
[2016-09-06 19:41:13] jordy : if they are not receiving any of the interest ?
[2016-09-06 19:41:23] jordy : what is your fee schedule?
[2016-09-06 19:41:25] habibi : They not, mm does
[2016-09-06 19:41:55] jordy : habibi: what do you mean , habibi?
[2016-09-06 19:42:53] BitMEX_Greg : jordy: We don't receive any part of the funding. It is paid and received by longs and shorts. Take a look at the Swaps Guide: https://www.bitmex.com/app/swapsGuide
[2016-09-06 19:42:55] habibi : i guess mm is receiving funding most of time coz he can biggest influence on that, am i right sleger?
[2016-09-06 19:43:20] habibi : coz he can has biggest influence *
[2016-09-06 19:43:40] sleger : nobody knows how to annualize a rate it seems
[2016-09-06 19:44:07] sleger : since it's paid out every 8 hours you have to compound it
[2016-09-06 19:44:09] BitMEX_Greg : jordy: The rate is not fixed. It moves every 8 hours according to the flow of trade, sometimes it is negative which means longs receive funding.
[2016-09-06 19:44:31] jordy : so funny
[2016-09-06 19:44:37] sleger : this was in response to "nip: 0.08% is high?" who didnt realize how high it actually is
[2016-09-06 19:45:20] sleger : let's say if someone buys the xbtusd swap and bitcoin doubles in one year, they will still lose money @BitMEX_Greg
[2016-09-06 19:46:00] miramm1115 : after 0.08% it's going to be 0.18%, and if you compound it properly it's totally insane
[2016-09-06 19:46:27] sleger : even 0.0848% is > 150% annualized
[2016-09-06 19:46:30] BitMEX_Greg : sleger: Depends how the rates go. We can't predict it
[2016-09-06 19:46:30] habibi : how big impact on funding is MM manipulation?
[2016-09-06 19:46:50] sleger : BitMEX_Greg: based on historical data, or what it currently is yes
[2016-09-06 19:47:08] BitMEX_Greg : Right, but past events do not normally predict the future
[2016-09-06 19:47:10] sleger : Actually if bitcoin doubles in a year i think the rates here will even be higher
[2016-09-06 19:47:32] BitMEX_Greg : Possibly, since the point of it is to keep the swap tracking the underlying
[2016-09-06 19:47:43] BitMEX_Greg : and usually fomo buys pushes up the rate
[2016-09-06 19:47:52] sleger : actually in that case they are a good predictor of the future
[2016-09-06 19:48:18] sleger : and longs better hope bitcoin does x3 or they will still lose money here
[2016-09-06 19:48:19] jordy : what is the trading fee ?
[2016-09-06 19:48:32] BitMEX_Greg : jordy: https://www.bitmex.com/app/fees
[2016-09-06 19:49:33] BitMEX_Greg : sleger: If it was a future, then the one year contract would be pricing at 150% if the funding is useful for pricing
[2016-09-06 19:50:01] sleger : one year linear future ? I highly doubt it
[2016-09-06 19:50:28] BitMEX_Greg : I'm just saying, the two should be linked. Basis and funding
[2016-09-06 19:50:43] sleger : they should be, but you created a monster
[2016-09-06 19:51:40] sleger : this is why i am closing my long eth position here, because i end up paying funding even when the price goes down, and i can keep it open on polo for much cheaper
[2016-09-06 19:53:23] BitMEX_Greg : The alts are a bit different because of the spread size, we're looking into it
[2016-09-06 19:54:54] sleger : the problem is the same though, many people do not want unpredictable funding rate
[2016-09-06 19:55:08] sleger : they want a way to lock in the rate for a certain, decent (not 8 hours) period of time
[2016-09-06 19:55:26] sleger : i would rather trade a one or 3 months eth product than the swap actually
[2016-09-06 19:55:36] jordy : try okcoin then
[2016-09-06 19:55:43] BitMEX_Greg : Basis is also unpredictable though. I've seen quarterlies swing $100
[2016-09-06 19:55:44] jordy : try ok coin then
[2016-09-06 19:55:45] sleger : jordy: when did they add eth ?
[2016-09-06 19:55:57] BitMEX_Greg : on bitcoin*
[2016-09-06 19:56:01] sleger : BitMEX_Greg: it doesnt matter, once i enter my position it is locked
[2016-09-06 19:56:02] jordy : I don't know man
[2016-09-06 19:56:09] sleger : jordy: well they didnt
[2016-09-06 19:56:21] jordy : ok coin is like 30% for futures
[2016-09-06 19:56:28] BitMEX_Greg : As long as you hold it to expiry and you can afford the swings without getting liquidated
[2016-09-06 19:56:32] sleger : jordy: im talking about eth, pay attention
[2016-09-06 19:56:42] sleger : BitMEX_Greg: yes and that's what I want
[2016-09-06 19:56:57] jordy : ethereum?
[2016-09-06 19:57:22] sleger : I enter my position, I know how much I pay till expiry and that's fine, swings are part of it, but I know what I sign up for
[2016-09-06 19:57:30] sleger : jordy: yes, typically eth = ethereum
[2016-09-06 19:57:57] jordy : you mean ok coin?
[2016-09-06 19:58:12] sleger : learn how to annualize a rate properly
[2016-09-06 19:59:02] jordy : the rate is crazy here ....but there is a lot of chance of arbri
[2016-09-06 20:00:01] jordy : BitMEX_Greg: how can I see the change after funding time?
[2016-09-06 20:04:30] BitMEX_Greg : sleger: Right, our product aims at replicating spot though. With our previous futures, we had queries from users complaining about the mismatch between spot and the futures price as they don't understand the basis
[2016-09-06 20:04:39] jordy : BitMEX_Greg: how can I find my funding cost received ?
[2016-09-06 20:04:46] BitMEX_Greg : jordy: Check two of those pages I sent to you earlier.
[2016-09-06 20:05:05] BitMEX_Greg : jordy: In your Trade History: https://www.bitmex.com/app/tradeHistory
[2016-09-06 20:42:03] zanza : time to list NAV
[2016-09-06 20:45:07] zanza : ETH folks getting salty that XMR surpassed it
[2016-09-06 20:53:03] mjones : NAV really taking off wow
[2016-09-06 20:54:32] mjones : only $4,000,000 market cap.
[2016-09-06 20:55:09] mjones : was $250,000 then jumped to $1,000,000 now $4,000,000
[2016-09-06 20:56:51] tb : i don't understand the risk limit
[2016-09-06 20:56:55] tb : what stops a user from creating multiple accounts
[2016-09-06 20:56:58] tb : to bypass the limit?
[2016-09-06 20:57:07] BitMEX_Greg : tb: There is nothing. You are free to do so
[2016-09-06 20:57:32] zanza : bu Sam will find out where you live and knock on your door late one night
[2016-09-06 20:57:42] mjones : wow i pay 0.13 BTC in fees a day
[2016-09-06 20:57:51] zanza : fees or funding ?
[2016-09-06 20:58:31] mjones : funding
[2016-09-06 20:58:58] zanza : funding is 0 sum
[2016-09-06 20:59:50] mjones : fee rate 0.3223% and 0.0859% and 0.0726% 3 times a day i pay each one
[2016-09-06 20:59:57] mjones : i never actually looked into this before
[2016-09-06 21:00:11] habibi : zanza: keep thinking like that :D
[2016-09-06 21:00:27] zanza : its truth
[2016-09-06 21:00:34] zanza : you can receive funding payouts also
[2016-09-06 21:01:12] habibi : zanza: so its zero sum between all the position owners
[2016-09-06 21:01:42] tb : BitMEX_Greg: then why does it exist?
[2016-09-06 21:02:37] zanza : small speedbump
[2016-09-06 21:02:59] BitMEX_Greg : tb: We don't want large positions at one liquidation price. By splitting up positions you are effectively spreading your liquidation price
[2016-09-06 21:03:31] tb : I see, ok makes sense
[2016-09-06 21:23:05] rapidtrades : good evening
[2016-09-06 21:23:16] rapidtrades : i see u still can't move this shitcoin
[2016-09-06 21:38:16] Boontjie : okcoin
[2016-09-06 21:39:23] rapidtrades : Boontjie: did u have a diff nick earlier
[2016-09-06 21:40:29] Boontjie : rapidtrades: no
[2016-09-06 21:40:56] Boontjie : why
[2016-09-06 21:47:47] rapidtrades : ur name sounds familiar
[2016-09-06 22:24:11] Boontjie : rapidtrades: we have spoken before
[2016-09-06 22:26:41] rapidtrades : Boontjie: were u short usd/jpy?
[2016-09-06 22:38:02] REKT : Liquidated long on `XMR7D`: Sell 50 @ 0.020340
[2016-09-06 22:38:07] REKT : Liquidated long on `XMR7D`: Sell 15 @ 0.020289
[2016-09-06 22:39:19] CaptainDean : holy XMR
[2016-09-06 22:39:22] REKT : Liquidated long on `XMR7D`: Sell 45 @ 0.019130
[2016-09-06 22:39:23] mjones : rofl xmr
[2016-09-06 22:39:29] Tetsuo : lol
[2016-09-06 22:39:37] CaptainDean : buy ?
[2016-09-06 22:39:46] Tetsuo : nope
[2016-09-06 22:39:48] mjones : no
[2016-09-06 22:40:04] mjones : yes now
[2016-09-06 22:40:07] CaptainDean : too risky ?
[2016-09-06 22:40:24] Tetsuo : bull trap started to close
[2016-09-06 22:44:39] CaptainDean : i was watching the 5 min bar (poloniex doens't have the 1 min) i gues you guys called it 1 min later baed on the 1 min chart right ?
[2016-09-06 22:44:51] mjones : https://bitcoinwisdom.com/markets/poloniex/xmrbtc
[2016-09-06 22:44:59] mjones : hope you got in at 0.0193
[2016-09-06 22:45:14] CaptainDean : 19477
[2016-09-06 22:45:54] CaptainDean : i wish i had bough more
[2016-09-06 22:45:56] CaptainDean : but it's fine
[2016-09-06 22:46:06] mjones : it'll come back down
[2016-09-06 22:46:17] Tetsuo : prepare to drop it like it´s hot
[2016-09-06 22:47:48] CaptainDean : yeah i think i will go out soon
[2016-09-06 22:47:51] CaptainDean : doesn't look good
[2016-09-06 22:48:45] CaptainDean : well, some solid base now
[2016-09-06 22:49:04] CaptainDean : buy sell is pretty much equels
[2016-09-06 22:49:16] mjones : new low
[2016-09-06 22:49:32] mjones : dip buyers out in full force
[2016-09-06 22:52:57] CaptainDean : i'm out ! :P
[2016-09-06 22:53:31] mjones : yeah
[2016-09-06 22:53:39] CaptainDean : small profit .. but didn't loose nothing
[2016-09-06 22:53:43] mjones : xmr big double top and here comes the dump
[2016-09-06 22:54:30] mjones : 12 hour MACD crossing down for the first time since the pump started at 0.003
[2016-09-06 22:56:44] CaptainDean : so close to a new low
[2016-09-06 22:56:44] mjones : lol xmr orderbook is missing the market maker
[2016-09-06 22:56:58] mjones : incoming 0.0186
[2016-09-06 22:57:01] CaptainDean : yeah it happens sometimes
[2016-09-06 22:57:27] mjones : that's why i hate being on the wrong end when it disappears. rekt
[2016-09-06 22:57:35] CaptainDean : yeah
[2016-09-06 22:58:03] CaptainDean : the MM is hard on us when it an uptrend it's like +0.3 on the price ... downtread almost as the current price
[2016-09-06 22:58:21] CaptainDean : like I sold at 196xxx but the price was at 20000
[2016-09-06 22:58:25] justinlooking : i think 182 at least if 195 breaks
[2016-09-06 22:58:26] CaptainDean : it's an enormous but
[2016-09-06 22:58:26] mjones : yeah
[2016-09-06 22:58:32] CaptainDean : cut**
[2016-09-06 22:59:00] mjones : massive accumulation by the believers for a while now. then when everyone gives up, moon
[2016-09-06 23:01:03] rapidtrades : monero is donero
[2016-09-06 23:01:39] CaptainDean : looks like short to me now
[2016-09-06 23:04:06] CaptainDean : we might survive it
[2016-09-06 23:04:57] laisee : el monero, esta muerto
[2016-09-06 23:05:08] CaptainDean : so we dit ! :P
[2016-09-06 23:05:12] CaptainDean : did
[2016-09-06 23:05:13] mjones : someone loves expensive xmr
[2016-09-06 23:06:26] laisee : CaptainDean: monero is dead, and you guys here killd him
[2016-09-06 23:07:15] CaptainDean : laisee: Last time i check you were here ;-)
[2016-09-06 23:07:52] laisee : I was hodling ... XMR is the future
[2016-09-06 23:08:20] laisee : future what ... I'm not sure
[2016-09-06 23:08:34] CaptainDean : laisee: :D
[2016-09-06 23:26:42] CaptainDean : XMR back up ?
[2016-09-06 23:26:49] CaptainDean : no trading for ma I have to go now
[2016-09-06 23:27:00] CaptainDean : i just aw the new low
[2016-09-06 23:27:05] CaptainDean : nevermind ! :P
[2016-09-06 23:28:06] mjones : xmr bouncing around
[2016-09-06 23:50:30] rapidtrades : yen pairs just crumbled
[2016-09-07 00:00:59] laisee : buy yen, sell usd?
[2016-09-07 00:03:57] rapidtrades : unfortunately im long there..but my short eur/jpy helps :)
[2016-09-07 00:04:39] rapidtrades : yuan continues to strengthen too
[2016-09-07 00:36:26] CaptainDean : xmr double top (bottom) is that also applied for downtrend (the double top figure) ?
[2016-09-07 00:46:56] mjones : yeah 0.0195 looks like a solid bottom for the short term
[2016-09-07 00:56:46] rapidtrades : that can't be a bottom
[2016-09-07 01:10:46] CaptainDean : real bottom 187 ?
[2016-09-07 01:46:33] Rado : I think XMR uptrend is done for now
[2016-09-07 01:47:01] Rado : short will be the easy trade instead of trying to go long
[2016-09-07 01:48:00] mjones : had 3 nice big pumps. bull trap on the 3rd pump. some deep pockets trying to hold it up though still
[2016-09-07 01:48:31] mjones : and checking out FCT 10x margin. drops 0.002 and boom margin called
[2016-09-07 01:49:24] mjones : i mean 0.0002
[2016-09-07 01:49:47] mjones : 0.004672 to 0.00444
[2016-09-07 01:51:50] Rado : Wtf is NAV coin?
[2016-09-07 02:01:55] mjones : It was a really cheap coin
[2016-09-07 04:15:11] CaptainDean : Are we using Bitfinex in the Kaiko price ?
[2016-09-07 04:15:34] CaptainDean : i tought it was 50% BTCe and 50% stamp
[2016-09-07 04:25:25] CaptainDean : double top XMR
[2016-09-07 04:25:57] CaptainDean : slightly new high on the second tho
[2016-09-07 04:47:00] BitMEX_Jinming : CaptainDean: No Bitfinex. It is 50% bitstamp and 50% OKC.
[2016-09-07 05:10:18] CaptainDean : hooo ok thanks
[2016-09-07 06:19:30] Doppelganger : .
[2016-09-07 08:28:07] jordy : hi
[2016-09-07 08:28:51] jordy : the funding rate will directly be funded to my assigned margin ?
[2016-09-07 08:29:21] BitMEX_Wally : jordy: Yes, the funding goes directly into or from the margin assigned to the position
[2016-09-07 09:10:47] Kalman : BitMEX_Jinming: Hi, is there a way one can download the complete trade history in one run and not only the 100 selected?
[2016-09-07 09:22:39] BitMEX_Wally : Kalman: You can get 500 at once via the API
[2016-09-07 09:23:09] BitMEX_Wally : Also @j8 has created some scripts that can download it in one go: https://github.com/BitMEX/easy-data-scripts
[2016-09-07 09:26:08] Kalman : BitMEX_Wally: Thx
[2016-09-07 09:36:43] jordy : hi
[2016-09-07 09:37:01] jordy : do you have auto margin system?
[2016-09-07 09:37:55] jordy : so I don't need to adjust the margin assigned for each position ?
[2016-09-07 09:39:22] BitMEX_Wally : jordy: You can drag the Leverage selector to 'Cross'
[2016-09-07 09:39:43] BitMEX_Wally : https://www.bitmex.com/app/isolatedMargin