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<< >> English 中文 Русский 한국어 日本語 Español Français [2016-09-02 23:00:21] CaptainDean : buy wall @ 17130 (152 BTC) [2016-09-02 23:01:57] aethlios : big wall battles happening, but fake walls always [2016-09-02 23:02:33] CaptainDean : buy wall got eat by half [2016-09-02 23:02:39] CaptainDean : one single 63 BTCV trade from it [2016-09-02 23:02:52] CaptainDean : 63 BTC sell* [2016-09-02 23:03:07] CaptainDean : boom eated [2016-09-02 23:07:53] mjones : yeah liquidity is great so you're able to flip large amounts and make $$$ [2016-09-02 23:08:07] mjones : end goal is more BTC or more XMR [2016-09-02 23:09:32] mjones : there we go. a complete flip in the orderbook [2016-09-02 23:11:41] aethlios : mjones: and cheap maker fees for such 2% to 4% short moves. [2016-09-02 23:13:29] CaptainDean : lol 1111 BTC well wall [2016-09-02 23:13:46] CaptainDean : sell* [2016-09-02 23:14:10] mjones : wonder if this is the end of XMR [2016-09-02 23:14:10] CaptainDean : this is quite a ride [2016-09-02 23:14:19] aethlios : LTC will make the same as xmr, when whales accumulate enough and 70% of ltc is mined then tey will pump it to the 50's like crazy. [2016-09-02 23:15:15] mjones : a fake out up before the mega holders dump [2016-09-02 23:15:24] aethlios : each 5 min xmr candle is half a million usd volume, crazy [2016-09-02 23:17:45] mjones : moving the wall down. BTC > XMR [2016-09-02 23:19:59] aethlios : finex buying 580 btc [2016-09-02 23:22:12] mjones : BTC weekly stochRSI still riding the bottom. incoming pump eventually this month [2016-09-02 23:23:16] aethlios : mjones: we are going to 1200, with a small halt at 800 previous high. [2016-09-02 23:24:51] mjones : since week of feb 21 the 4 weekly pump candles were 7%, 36%, 27% and 16%. when we go up we go up in a big way [2016-09-02 23:25:24] CaptainDean : guys i'm out, thanks for all the info and patience with me ;-) [2016-09-02 23:25:24] mjones : like 21 of the last 25 weeks have been boring in BTC land [2016-09-02 23:25:28] CaptainDean : i will be back later [2016-09-02 23:25:57] mjones : my bad. i forgot about the great big red candles [2016-09-02 23:25:59] CaptainDean : i will keep an eye with my phone [2016-09-02 23:26:05] mjones : 2 of those [2016-09-02 23:26:22] aethlios : Its all about catching the previous 1175 ATH, above 1200 there will be a hell of a ride. [2016-09-02 23:27:00] mjones : this reminds me of august 23, 2015 and the weeks after what's happening now [2016-09-02 23:27:24] mjones : flash crash and sideways before it started creeping up and then FOMO [2016-09-02 23:27:49] aethlios : and higher btc price, means more usd fees for finex, so I expect a small pump to bfx around 0.7-0.75 [2016-09-02 23:28:30] aethlios : finex lead the way like the old pre-hacked days.... [2016-09-02 23:29:05] mjones : it's always okcoin [2016-09-02 23:29:48] mjones : look at huobi volume on the daily. hasnt been this low since november 2015 right before the massive pump [2016-09-02 23:30:46] mjones : pretty much same with okcoin. plus BBANDS have not been this tight on the daily in a while. all good signs for a massive movement [2016-09-02 23:32:17] aethlios : descending trendline from 800 broken on okcoin weekly [2016-09-02 23:36:43] mjones : yeah. BTC will stop a few times in the 4000's i bet. slow creep up before exploding to over 5000 CNY [2016-09-02 23:38:46] mjones : but if i get a nice 50x long i can just leave it [2016-09-02 23:39:46] mjones : which may be here but i dont wanna risk it. last thing i need is having it dump 3% in 10 seconds and I lose it all [2016-09-02 23:40:12] mjones : could average down and yada yada. all about timing with high leverage [2016-09-02 23:47:46] aethlios : mjones: better tool now to leverage and cheap is okcoin quarterly. just 3 usd premium for a month. [2016-09-02 23:50:22] aethlios : so quite before the storm.... [2016-09-02 23:55:50] mjones : 20x only and the new quarterly opens in 2 weeks so the old one won't have a premium. maybe china whales waiting 2 weeks for new quarterly before pumping [2016-09-02 23:56:13] mjones : but you can close and relong with profit so that's nice [2016-09-02 23:59:16] mjones : it's always fun seeing no one wanting to buy the XMR mega sell wall but when it's removed all of a sudden people want to buy thousands of XMR higher than where the mega sell wall was [2016-09-02 23:59:50] Tetsuo : mjones: i had the same thouggt. if BTC pumps, quarterly will provide massive gains, i´m already slowly buyin in over there [2016-09-03 00:01:12] Tetsuo : worked already twice for me in the past [2016-09-03 00:01:33] CaptainDean : mjones: Yeah, it's start a small pump. I'm wondering if it's not a bot trick since it happened many times [2016-09-03 00:02:31] mjones : i'm just saying if you're longing on quarterly it may not go up that much (it will go up some thanks to shorters) since the new one starts in 13 days [2016-09-03 00:02:36] Tetsuo : no, same tricks on okcoins are happenin for years now. i also thought that maybe someday they will change their strategy, but they don´t , must be still profitable also it´s forseeable [2016-09-03 00:04:10] Tetsuo : *altough [2016-09-03 00:04:16] mjones : yeah okcoin walls are strange. years they are always huge yet the person doing it never loses [2016-09-03 00:04:49] mjones : must be a real early miner and buyer with a million coins. always got a thousand BTC to throw up no matter the price [2016-09-03 00:05:13] mjones : dump the price 10 CNY and boom 1500 BTC holding the price down. like whatt...someone just ate 1500 BTC to get the price to go up 10 CNY [2016-09-03 00:05:18] Tetsuo : my guess is it´s okcoi´n themselves, or a "partner" "buddy" [2016-09-03 00:05:46] Tetsuo : well , if i can make profit out of it i´m okay with it... [2016-09-03 00:06:14] Tetsuo : i know how a lot of their algos work, i can see em from a mile [2016-09-03 00:07:17] mjones : i missed the bitfinex flash crash to 3000 CNY due to dinner. had a short but ended up closing like 700 CNY than I wanted [2016-09-03 00:07:31] mjones : 700 CNY higher. i was pissed [2016-09-03 00:07:33] Tetsuo : sux [2016-09-03 00:07:44] mjones : close that 20x short and open 20x long for the bounce. would have made a ton of BTC [2016-09-03 00:07:50] Tetsuo : can´t be prepared or online all the time though [2016-09-03 00:08:07] CaptainDean : I always wonder how hard is it to build a bot. I have no skills in trading but i know how to code logic. I really doubt i could make something profitable tho [2016-09-03 00:08:41] mjones : anytime BTC goes up now it's like shitt i should open that 50x this might not go down lower [2016-09-03 00:08:56] CaptainDean : The API is defenitly something i can have fun with [2016-09-03 00:09:43] aethlios : mjones: you like start paying the premium here, that's why for long term long is better solution now quarterly okcoin. [2016-09-03 00:10:10] Tetsuo : i´m also 50% in on LTC @ ok-coin, they will probably pump it to the max, if that happens before or after a BTC pump, nobody knows [2016-09-03 00:11:06] mjones : is the premium that bad. say you long $100 and price goes up 50%. on 50x you turn $100 into $2,000. then pay the fees [2016-09-03 00:11:13] Tetsuo : they love their chicken over there, even if the real world doesn´t care about it anymore, and they have loads of money [2016-09-03 00:11:34] aethlios : I also have a decent LTC position, a pump for me means previous ATH 50 usd, so I can buy back at 20. [2016-09-03 00:12:23] mjones : i've used okcoin futures since they opened. i only came here recently for XMR since BTC is boring [2016-09-03 00:13:14] Tetsuo : nothing can beat the liquidity on futures over there [2016-09-03 00:14:02] aethlios : Tetsuo: true. and cheap fees [2016-09-03 00:15:21] Tetsuo : now i just need to know, if ETH will move up with BTC : - D [2016-09-03 00:15:25] mjones : LTC/BTC should be primed for liftoff. LTC/BTC dumped a lot on the weekly recently. lot of weakhands out. it's at the bottom range. 3 pools control 72% of the hashrate [2016-09-03 00:15:38] aethlios : also we have a fresh weekly to start the pump in a few hours, a 50 usd 15minutes candle will shake shorts. [2016-09-03 00:16:03] rapidtrades : adam sandler should stick to comedies man [2016-09-03 00:16:09] rapidtrades : idk wtf i just watched [2016-09-03 00:16:35] Tetsuo : what did you watch? [2016-09-03 00:18:46] Tetsuo : just realized that LTC/BTC here is also perpetual , good to know if it should start movin [2016-09-03 00:18:51] aethlios : rapidtrades: do you have any helpfull comments about the market?? [2016-09-03 00:20:42] rapidtrades : aethlios: not really [2016-09-03 00:22:24] aethlios : now is time to buy some cheap btc calls, if existed, now that volatility is low. [2016-09-03 00:39:44] mjones : looks like FCT did an ATH double top recently. the previous ATH was in march. so I think some money can be made longing that eventually. dont know anything about the coin to tell you when it might go up though [2016-09-03 00:42:34] mjones : says FCT is Not Mineable [2016-09-03 00:43:01] REKT : Liquidated short on `XMR7D`: Buy 2900 @ 0.017988 [2016-09-03 00:43:39] mjones : so that should mean easily pumpable once supply is eaten up [2016-09-03 00:44:42] mjones : XMR ATH in sight [2016-09-03 00:46:56] mjones : bitmex must know something is up to add FCT. [2016-09-03 00:52:47] CaptainDean : its pretty much for any uptrend [2016-09-03 00:53:15] mjones : yeah man FCT barely went up 0.002 to 0.005 with 8 million coins. ATH high 0.008 [2016-09-03 00:53:49] mjones : hit 0.007 recently. [2016-09-03 01:08:42] aethlios : xmr 3rd top lower than 2nd, 2nd lower than 1st, let's see. [2016-09-03 01:33:26] mjones : i got 2 uptrend lines drawn to see if they hold. 0.0167 and 0.0155 are where they are at right now [2016-09-03 01:37:20] mjones : i think i'm gonna hold off on XMR and move to FCT soon. one of the top volume coins on polo must be something in the works [2016-09-03 02:02:37] mjones : looks like SYS coin is taking off for the moon [2016-09-03 02:16:05] mjones : xmr bullflagging pretty dang hard. here's to a mega pump soon [2016-09-03 02:22:37] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETHXBT`: Buy 10 @ 0.02148 [2016-09-03 05:10:21] jung1 : morning milionaires [2016-09-03 05:20:49] laisee : billionayres in bits [2016-09-03 06:30:48] aethlios : good morning from europe [2016-09-03 06:34:16] aethlios : xmr either pump hard (70%) or dump hard. [2016-09-03 06:35:37] REKT : Liquidated short on `XMR7D`: Buy 106 @ 0.018892 [2016-09-03 06:36:07] REKT : Liquidated short on `XMR7D`: Buy 148 @ 0.019020 [2016-09-03 06:36:51] REKT : Liquidated short on `XMR7D`: Buy 10 @ 0.019620 [2016-09-03 06:38:02] REKT : Liquidated short on `XMR7D`: Buy 25 @ 0.019694 [2016-09-03 06:38:07] REKT : Liquidated short on `XMR7D`: Buy 18 @ 0.019993 [2016-09-03 06:41:51] REKT : Liquidated short on `XMR7D`: Buy 1000 @ 0.020035 [2016-09-03 06:46:07] REKT : Liquidated short on `XMR7D`: Buy 600 @ 0.020753 [2016-09-03 06:46:14] rapidtrades : welp [2016-09-03 06:46:36] REKT : Liquidated short on `XMR7D`: Buy 5 @ 0.020828 [2016-09-03 06:46:51] REKT : Liquidated short on `XMR7D`: Buy 2 @ 0.020871 :punch: :whale: [2016-09-03 06:47:28] rapidtrades : guess that double top ddnt hold huh [2016-09-03 06:47:41] CaptainDean : Nope :D [2016-09-03 06:47:54] aethlios : brave people buy here [2016-09-03 06:48:00] CaptainDean : yeah [2016-09-03 06:48:08] CaptainDean : I sold clode to 20000 [2016-09-03 06:48:26] CaptainDean : re-enter but went out just adter a small profit it's dangerous [2016-09-03 06:49:07] willybot : taking profit and it can do what it wants now [2016-09-03 06:49:09] rapidtrades : still in here..only 2/3 of original pos cos im a retard [2016-09-03 06:49:20] CaptainDean : hahah awesome [2016-09-03 06:49:25] CaptainDean : you got some balls [2016-09-03 06:50:22] CaptainDean : coorection we will have :P [2016-09-03 06:52:27] rapidtrades : yeah but where? could be at 0.04 o 0.05 [2016-09-03 06:55:36] REKT : Liquidated long on `XMR7D`: Sell 2 @ 0.020188 :punch: :whale: [2016-09-03 07:00:47] billz : XMR=ETH now, some crazy times we live in [2016-09-03 07:05:36] REKT : Liquidated short on `XMR7D`: Buy 45 @ 0.021427 [2016-09-03 07:11:37] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 192 @ 0.02091 [2016-09-03 07:11:46] rapidtrades : adam sandler is not funny when not acting a retard [2016-09-03 07:18:32] mjones : how fucking about it [2016-09-03 07:18:50] mjones : up 400% what an awesome thing to wake up to [2016-09-03 07:22:07] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 500 @ 0.02044 [2016-09-03 07:22:07] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 2000 @ 0.02053 [2016-09-03 07:23:32] CaptainDean : hard to re-enter nopw .. [2016-09-03 07:24:16] mjones : yeah price could drop 20% in a minute [2016-09-03 07:24:21] mjones : or rocket up again [2016-09-03 07:25:03] CaptainDean : sell wall @ 2330 ... but it won't last i think [2016-09-03 07:25:34] billz : $13 is way to expensive. Could go to $15 cause of fomo but i don't see this lasting long [2016-09-03 07:28:22] rapidtrades : jessica biel makes this movie worth it [2016-09-03 07:29:14] CaptainDean : short tempting .. but so no in the trend :P [2016-09-03 07:29:23] CaptainDean : noy* [2016-09-03 07:29:26] CaptainDean : not [2016-09-03 07:40:51] REKT : Liquidated long on `XMR7D`: Sell 8 @ 0.021708 [2016-09-03 07:41:41] CaptainDean : going for a smoke [2016-09-03 07:41:44] CaptainDean : this is crazy !!! [2016-09-03 07:41:46] CaptainDean : :D [2016-09-03 07:42:01] CaptainDean : just wish I had keep my re-entrance @ 20 [2016-09-03 07:43:20] aethlios : eth crashed a bit [2016-09-03 07:45:24] mjones : surprise there isn't more people profit taking in xmr [2016-09-03 07:48:08] laisee : mjones: I did, 2X today [2016-09-03 07:52:18] laisee : too volatile to hold overnight [2016-09-03 07:53:08] rapidtrades : there's no overnight in 24h market [2016-09-03 07:54:54] aethlios : pumpers pump xmr hard, so they will dump hard also. [2016-09-03 07:59:09] rapidtrades : 23 baby!!! [2016-09-03 08:00:56] laisee : rapidtrades: crypto markets never sleep, but i do [2016-09-03 08:09:51] CaptainDean : volume is going down but we are still in a uptrand [2016-09-03 08:11:31] aethlios : MFI at xmr reached 100!!!! never seen before. [2016-09-03 08:11:53] aethlios : MFI 100 on daily, if this is not overbought.... [2016-09-03 08:20:07] REKT : Liquidated short on `XMR7D`: Buy 19 @ 0.023436 [2016-09-03 08:20:52] REKT : Liquidated short on `XMR7D`: Buy 1650 @ 0.023634 [2016-09-03 08:22:59] laisee : once, twice, three times a profit .... [2016-09-03 08:36:18] CaptainDean : fist negative 5 min candle sin ce a long time [2016-09-03 08:37:21] aethlios : reached ltc market cap [2016-09-03 08:43:04] CaptainDean : a lot of buy support [2016-09-03 08:44:38] willybot : those buying now make my heart warm and my pockets fat [2016-09-03 08:51:08] aethlios : I had a position from 0.00247 and sold 0.01475, but I don't regret. [2016-09-03 08:51:27] aethlios : it was a good trade. [2016-09-03 08:56:02] CaptainDean : indeed [2016-09-03 08:57:20] aethlios : 10.000 xmr position [2016-09-03 08:57:48] CaptainDean : sell or buy ? [2016-09-03 08:58:22] aethlios : CaptainDean: I had 10.000 xmr from 0.00247 and sold 0.01475. [2016-09-03 08:58:32] CaptainDean : holy fuck [2016-09-03 09:00:36] CaptainDean : i don't this will go down soon [2016-09-03 09:00:39] CaptainDean : support is extreme [2016-09-03 09:00:45] aethlios : also yesterday I bought 500 btc okcoin quarterly, target 1140, stop loss 440, I will risk xmr profits. [2016-09-03 09:01:08] CaptainDean : i have one BTC to play with [2016-09-03 09:01:09] CaptainDean : hahahah [2016-09-03 09:01:12] CaptainDean : not the same game [2016-09-03 09:01:55] CaptainDean : ig I had that mych i would clear my debts :P [2016-09-03 09:02:05] CaptainDean : if I had that much* [2016-09-03 09:05:27] rapidtrades : ur gambling debts? [2016-09-03 09:05:51] CaptainDean : no, if I had 500 BTC I would sell some for my debts / house [2016-09-03 09:06:02] CaptainDean : trade money I can loose :P [2016-09-03 09:06:15] aethlios : CaptainDean: you don't need 500 to go long 500. [2016-09-03 09:07:24] CaptainDean : you were 10x ? [2016-09-03 09:07:31] CaptainDean : it's still 50 BTC :P [2016-09-03 09:11:11] rapidtrades : no xmr nooo [2016-09-03 09:11:37] REKT : Liquidated long on `XMR7D`: Sell 549 @ 0.022801 [2016-09-03 09:12:54] rapidtrades : i had such high hopes for u xmr [2016-09-03 09:13:27] aethlios : xmr broke all records, 100 mfi daily [2016-09-03 09:13:40] rapidtrades : mfi? [2016-09-03 09:14:07] CaptainDean : month funding invesment ? ( i ahve no idea) [2016-09-03 09:15:02] CaptainDean : Money Flow Index [2016-09-03 09:16:25] aethlios : money flow index reached 100 on daily. most important index in tech. analysis in my opinion [2016-09-03 09:17:13] rapidtrades : yeah right [2016-09-03 09:17:52] rapidtrades : i see 98 but who's counting [2016-09-03 09:19:21] rapidtrades : aethlios: what's so important about it? looks like a regular overbought indy [2016-09-03 09:20:09] aethlios : it is like rsi but takes volume also, so understands fake moves [2016-09-03 09:20:42] CaptainDean : 507 BTC buy walll might be fake tho [2016-09-03 09:21:12] billz : latest 2 hour candle not looking so hot on polo either [2016-09-03 09:23:33] rapidtrades : aethlios: so u sell when? [2016-09-03 09:24:45] rapidtrades : at 80, 90, 95? [2016-09-03 09:25:16] aethlios : rapidtrades: how to use mfi?? usually when starts mfi going down after reached a high above 80, and btc doesn't go down yet, there is a possible top. 80 and above overbought, 20 and lower oversold. [2016-09-03 09:26:09] rapidtrades : it didn't work great on monero....or work at all [2016-09-03 09:26:19] aethlios : rapidtrades: check daily and 4h charts at tradingview and add volume and mfi to see how worked in the past. [2016-09-03 09:26:50] rapidtrades : im looking at it right now [2016-09-03 09:27:04] rapidtrades : how does it account for volume [2016-09-03 09:27:46] aethlios : rapidtrades: search for the formula in google. [2016-09-03 09:28:24] rapidtrades : i don't want to know that bad :) [2016-09-03 09:28:33] aethlios : rapidtrades: use bitfinex or stamp chart where volume is real, not fake okcoin [2016-09-03 09:29:40] rapidtrades : lol bitfinex [2016-09-03 09:30:24] aethlios : rapidtrades: check the top at 800, mfi started going down before the price, showed a top has formed 2 days before, daily chart, also when dumped at 475 it was 12 really oversold. [2016-09-03 09:30:27] rapidtrades : it don't see the benefit of MFI, looks like a regular oscillator...flashing sell during rallies [2016-09-03 09:30:27] Pilot : If I close my xmr 7 day, can i reopen later but still keep profits from the top [2016-09-03 09:30:41] Pilot : I my be stupid but new to contracts and bitmex in general [2016-09-03 09:31:21] rapidtrades : aethlios: it printed 98 when xmr was at 0.007 [2016-09-03 09:32:50] aethlios : rapidtrades: yes but the important use is when it starts going down after it topped. [2016-09-03 09:33:31] rapidtrades : right but it would still take u out [2016-09-03 09:33:43] CaptainDean : Pilot: If you close your position with profit, you'll be able to get your profit only friday, [2016-09-03 09:34:01] rapidtrades : it looks a bit cleaner then Stoch but suffers from the same problems [2016-09-03 09:34:16] aethlios : Pilot: yes you can make as many trades you want [2016-09-03 09:34:21] CaptainDean : Pilot: only the profit is luck, not the original position [2016-09-03 09:34:45] Pilot : So if I close, take profits, reopen at the bottom, there is do downside to it [2016-09-03 09:35:08] CaptainDean : just that you don't have access to your profit right away [2016-09-03 09:35:39] CaptainDean : i went and out a few times today already [2016-09-03 09:35:44] CaptainDean : in and out* [2016-09-03 09:36:25] CaptainDean : i need to go to bed ... 5:36 am [2016-09-03 09:36:42] CaptainDean : XMR looks calm now [2016-09-03 09:38:11] CaptainDean : good uptrend forming [2016-09-03 09:46:41] CaptainDean : later guys, i'm out [2016-09-03 09:58:47] Tetsuo : Come on u fuckhead XMR , pop, i need BTC& LTCÐ to rise & shine, your bubble money needs to convert to it! [2016-09-03 10:41:41] laisee : Tetsuo: you can't expect them all to be bubbly and hyped on same day, surely ... :-/ [2016-09-03 11:07:13] Tetsuo : nice & steadyuptrend is whati´m waitin for. my body ain´t ready to trade another bubble : - D [2016-09-03 11:11:11] rapidtrades : Tetsuo: pussy [2016-09-03 11:11:26] rapidtrades : nice and steady wont give u 70% per day [2016-09-03 11:12:07] REKT : Liquidated short on `XMR7D`: Buy 500 @ 0.024279 [2016-09-03 11:12:07] REKT : Liquidated short on `XMR7D`: Buy 10 @ 0.024247 [2016-09-03 11:32:04] rapidtrades : 30 here we comeeeeeeee [2016-09-03 11:33:07] REKT : Liquidated short on `XMR7D`: Buy 294 @ 0.026132 [2016-09-03 11:33:36] REKT : Liquidated short on `XMR7D`: Buy 152 @ 0.026323 [2016-09-03 11:35:39] willybot : lol who shorts a fucking raging titan [2016-09-03 11:37:51] rapidtrades : i thinkk we just surpassed LTC [2016-09-03 11:41:27] Thedude : Support around? [2016-09-03 11:44:12] Tetsuo : byebye titan [2016-09-03 11:45:11] BitMEX_Arthur : Thedude: How can I help [2016-09-03 11:46:11] Thedude : BitMEX_Arthur: Hi Arthur, I was wondering how the chances to alt funding are coming along. [2016-09-03 11:47:22] BitMEX_Arthur : Thedude: We will be rolling out an auto deleveraging system that will help alleviate the volatility in alt funding, but that will go live in early october. [2016-09-03 11:48:29] BitMEX_Arthur : But if an altcoin has a very high or low funding rate that represents the market's bullish or bearish view on that particular coin's price. There is nothing we can do about that. [2016-09-03 11:48:37] Thedude : BitMEX_Arthur: Is the sensitivy of premium funding still being increased? From what I understood it was being discussed to increase it from 0.05 to 0.25 to prevent premium funding from kicking in so quickly [2016-09-03 11:49:03] BitMEX_Arthur : Yes those changes will go into effect along side the auto deleveraging system [2016-09-03 11:49:09] BitMEX_Arthur : a formal announcement will be made in the coming days [2016-09-03 11:49:58] Thedude : BitMEX_Arthur: Problem is that the XBT funding rate on polo is shared among altcoins so when one coin is pumping and taking up lots of BTC funding it means funding rates go up for all other coins aswell regardless of bullish sentiment [2016-09-03 11:50:59] BitMEX_Arthur : The premium that the swap trades at on BitMEX has a much larger effect than the XBT funding rate on Polo [2016-09-03 11:51:13] Thedude : BitMEX_Arthur: So most likely no changes to the system before october then? [2016-09-03 11:51:21] BitMEX_Arthur : Correct [2016-09-03 11:51:32] Thedude : Thats sad to hear :( [2016-09-03 11:51:49] BitMEX_Arthur : And if you think the funding rate is too high or too low, you can always short or go long the swap to capture that interest [2016-09-03 11:52:02] BitMEX_Arthur : We don't favour one side over the other, long vs. short [2016-09-03 11:53:06] Thedude : Its not just the height of the rate its also its one sidedness if you look at ETH for example its rarely a negative rate almost always a positive one and daily rates of 0.5-1% daily are common [2016-09-03 11:54:02] Thedude : BitMEX_Arthur: I dont understand how others are keeping longs open at the moment the interest is just killing me. [2016-09-03 12:03:09] billyboy402 : 0.0050% that a pretty low rate has it been higher ? [2016-09-03 12:11:18] justinlooking : eat [2016-09-03 12:11:20] justinlooking : sleep [2016-09-03 12:11:22] justinlooking : rekt [2016-09-03 12:20:03] willybot : on bitmex you dont need a stop loss. You just yolo what your happy to lose [2016-09-03 12:23:50] justinlooking : bounce u cunt [2016-09-03 12:24:22] REKT : Liquidated long on `XMR7D`: Sell 120 @ 0.023504 [2016-09-03 12:33:44] Tetsuo : lol who longs a tumbling giant [2016-09-03 12:35:03] justinlooking : the same guy that shorted all the way up [2016-09-03 12:36:20] Tetsuo : probably [2016-09-03 12:58:32] REKT : Liquidated long on `XMR7D`: Sell 4 @ 0.023102 :punch: :whale: [2016-09-03 12:58:37] REKT : Liquidated long on `XMR7D`: Sell 27 @ 0.023066 [2016-09-03 13:26:50] rapidtrades : just noticed that btce started to charge rollover fees [2016-09-03 13:26:56] rapidtrades : mofos [2016-09-03 14:07:12] rapidtrades : tokens are gonna be attractive short soon, with price capped at $1 and all [2016-09-03 14:19:07] REKT : Liquidated short on `XMR7D`: Buy 10 @ 0.024358 [2016-09-03 14:45:28] mjones : i'm wondering if this is a head and shoulders on the 15 minute xmr chart. [2016-09-03 14:46:19] mjones : dump here and not bounce at 0.0226 then fall to like 0.02 [2016-09-03 15:02:00] Tetsuo : might take 1-2 days to unfold [2016-09-03 15:09:37] REKT : Liquidated long on `XMR7D`: Sell 50 @ 0.023105 [2016-09-03 15:26:05] GammaHammer : Does anybody know why the REKT prices which are posted here in the box are different than the real execution fills in the account? [2016-09-03 15:26:44] Rado : Sup punks [2016-09-03 15:26:52] Rado : back from my vacation [2016-09-03 15:28:31] BitMEX_Sam : GammaHammer: You have an email [2016-09-03 15:33:53] GammaHammer : Please see your email - assuming you haven't turned off liquidation emails, there should be a very detailed explanation there. Essentially, positions are liquidated with some margin still remaining because the liquidation engine must have a small amount of buffer to liquidate the position at market. If it weren't for the buffer, most liquidations would execute in the red and we'd have regular system loss. If there are any remaining funds left over after the market liquidation, the funds are entered into the insurance fund where they can offset DPE in the future. The REKT bot is not controlled by us - it is run by a user - but it is reading from our `liquidation` websocket feed, which reads the price at which the liquidation was entered into the market, not the price at which it was taken from the user. [2016-09-03 15:34:27] GammaHammer : Who is the user who controls the REKT bot? [2016-09-03 15:34:33] Tetsuo : Me [2016-09-03 15:34:53] GammaHammer : So, based on what you trigger the liquidation? [2016-09-03 15:35:04] GammaHammer : on which price [2016-09-03 15:35:09] willybot : yo any mods up what if I need an emergency withdraw [2016-09-03 15:35:19] Tetsuo : Denied [2016-09-03 15:36:14] GammaHammer : debied what? [2016-09-03 15:36:29] Tetsuo : Both, explanation and wthdrawl [2016-09-03 15:37:15] GammaHammer : If you are serious and not a troll, it is starting to get ridiculous [2016-09-03 15:37:22] BitMEX_Sam : GammaHammer: That is simply a chatbot, it does not actually trigger liquidations. [2016-09-03 15:37:36] BitMEX_Sam : Also, did you receive the liquidation email? It goes into quite a bit of detail about the numbers. [2016-09-03 15:37:45] BitMEX_Sam : There is more detail at https://www.bitmex.com/app/liquidation. [2016-09-03 15:38:34] BitMEX_Sam : The XMR price comes from Poloniex. You can see that detail on the bottom-left of the screen, and the full specification by clicking `More Details...` [2016-09-03 15:39:53] GammaHammer : So, it means it triggers far above to protect Bitmex as an exchange ( which the insurance fund is mostly for ) and then also for clients after.. [2016-09-03 15:40:00] GammaHammer : The price was triggered far away [2016-09-03 15:40:01] GammaHammer : With 5% Maintenance Margin, your liquidation price was 0.023105 and your bankruptcy price was 0.021885 (i.e. 0% margin). At the time of liquidation (Sat, 03 Sep 2016 15:09:36 GMT), the price of the .XMRXBT30M Index dropped to 0.023137. The contract you were trading, XMR7D, had a Mark Price of 0.022907, which is based on this index. [2016-09-03 15:40:08] GammaHammer : Its good for your clients to know [2016-09-03 15:40:18] BitMEX_Sam : This is very clearly laid out in the contract specifications. [2016-09-03 15:40:47] BitMEX_Sam : The insurance fund is not profit for BitMEX, it is used to keep DPE down for other clients. This helps prevent risky traders from causing losses for everyone else. [2016-09-03 15:41:03] GammaHammer : I didnt say profit for Bitmex, I said to secure the exchange [2016-09-03 15:41:31] BitMEX_Sam : Trading is always sum-zero on BitMEX - the insurance fund doesn't protect us, it protects users. [2016-09-03 15:42:05] GammaHammer : Is there a way too to see when you have an position when exactly the liquidation will be triggered? [2016-09-03 15:42:15] BitMEX_Sam : Yes, the red number, "Liquidation Price". [2016-09-03 15:42:21] habibi : GammaHammer: its called liq price [2016-09-03 15:42:43] habibi : kinda tricky, isn't it? [2016-09-03 15:42:54] willybot : insurance fund should be the weekly piss up fund for the boys [2016-09-03 15:43:32] GammaHammer : And that liq price is then linked to the spot feed, in the case of XMR, the poloniex price... Is it the bid, ask or last price? [2016-09-03 15:44:26] BitMEX_Sam : It's based on trades, so last. [2016-09-03 15:45:30] GammaHammer : That means, every time a position which gets liquidated on ISOLATED margin, every time somethings gets added to the insurance fund, correct? [2016-09-03 15:46:01] GammaHammer : In the listed futures market, like DAX or ES, your executions are the base for PNL [2016-09-03 15:47:06] BitMEX_Sam : Any time a position is liquidated, there may be an insurance fund credit or debit depending on current market liquidity. [2016-09-03 15:47:28] GammaHammer : yes, for the insurance fund it is either a credit or debit [2016-09-03 15:47:51] GammaHammer : for the trader, it is mostly always a loss in times of non fast market [2016-09-03 15:50:57] GammaHammer : Does Bitmex publish each trade how it contributes to the insurance fund? [2016-09-03 15:53:24] BitMEX_Sam : GammaHammer: We do not yet, this is something we plan to do, but it takes some dev work on our side because liquidations do not necessarily clear instantly. [2016-09-03 15:54:16] GammaHammer : How big is the DPE, is that published? [2016-09-03 15:55:12] BitMEX_Sam : GammaHammer: Yes, https://www.bitmex.com/app/settlementHistory [2016-09-03 15:56:45] GammaHammer : Where can the DPE amount be found in the settlement history? [2016-09-03 15:58:05] BitMEX_Sam : It's the last column. [2016-09-03 15:58:59] GammaHammer : tax rate? [2016-09-03 16:00:47] willybot : everyone knows that bitmex make money on the liquidations and that the insurance fund is dodgy as hell [2016-09-03 16:01:17] willybot : doesnt bother me because the site performs quite well [2016-09-03 16:02:39] BitMEX_Sam : GammaHammer: Yes [2016-09-03 16:02:46] BitMEX_Sam : willybot: We'd appreciate if you'd stick to the facts. [2016-09-03 16:03:20] GammaHammer : Bitmex doesnt make money on liquidations [2016-09-03 16:04:07] GammaHammer : It is just that the DPE grows.. Whcih is good for Bitmex and the users as an exchange in case of big moves like some weeks ago when XBT dropped sharply and Bitmex doesnt liquidate @market like other exchanges\ [2016-09-03 16:04:30] BitMEX_Sam : We attempt to liquidate at market, but that can't always be done without significant loss. [2016-09-03 16:04:39] BitMEX_Sam : Depends on the size of the liquidation & the current liquidity. [2016-09-03 16:04:57] GammaHammer : Sure, completely understand your book [2016-09-03 16:05:09] BitMEX_Sam : By "the DPE grows", I assume you mean the insurance fund, but you can see by the history that this is not always so. We've seem gappy moves on some contracts in the past and the fund has had to be used. [2016-09-03 16:05:30] GammaHammer : yes [2016-09-03 16:06:31] willybot : BitMEX_Sam: it just doesnt add up. You guys have one of the best exchanges but its too quite. Either this is an affiliate dream or its the number 1 scam in crypto [2016-09-03 16:07:07] willybot : Who is in charge of marketing and business development? [2016-09-03 16:07:11] BitMEX_Sam : willybot: It's not a scam - Honestly I believe the biggest issue is that derivs are very complex, and until recently we did very little to attempt to make them easier to understand. [2016-09-03 16:07:14] BitMEX_Sam : willybot: Arthur/Greg [2016-09-03 16:07:36] mjones : i'm surprised by how slow this trollbox is and lack of traders [2016-09-03 16:07:58] willybot : BitMEX_Sam: I agree with the above. Most people are scared of the complexity. People are dumb, they need basics [2016-09-03 16:08:43] BitMEX_Sam : And unfortunately, we're forced to ratchet up the complexity even more in some cases to boost liquidity (consolidating futures into the perpetual swap) and manage risk (DPE) [2016-09-03 16:09:36] willybot : BitMEX_Sam: I know I am a monster troll but I have become very interested in this site [2016-09-03 16:10:05] GammaHammer : its delta one, so its not complex at all... It should just be clarified .. You can offer higher leverage the more you have in the insurance fund and like that generate more trades and get more money on the turnover... Bitmex, as all other exchanges, make most of the money when people trade and generate commission without having problems of customer defaults which can be minimized the higher the insurance fund is [2016-09-03 16:10:41] willybot : BitMEX_Sam: after digging deeper it seems to be an amazing place. I owe Arthur an apology [2016-09-03 16:32:24] lockhedge : BitMEX_Sam: imagine how many customers you could have if traders didn't wrongly assume that your platform is a scam ;) transparency might the most powerful marketing tool if you make it a priority [2016-09-03 16:33:11] BitMEX_Sam : lockhedge: I'll be honest, that's the least common complaint we get. It's usually more along the lines of confusion around how the contracts work and/or the interface. [2016-09-03 16:35:18] willybot : BitMEX_Sam: I want to buy some of the exchange [2016-09-03 16:36:50] willybot : there is no way this exchange just ticks along like this. Either everyone has other commitments and not full time or dont know the inner crypto scene [2016-09-03 16:37:56] mjones : or bitmex is not shady like the other exchanges who do behind the scene deals to get whales to trade on their exchange [2016-09-03 16:38:35] mjones : or maybe the whales rather hold the actual coin instead of trading it with BTC only [2016-09-03 17:21:13] lockhedge : some (likely institutional) whales trades more than 30,000 btc within the last 24h on itBit and they didn't move the market [2016-09-03 17:21:25] lockhedge : if this data is correct https://tradeblock.com/markets/itbt/xbt-usd/30m/ [2016-09-03 17:22:34] BitMEX_Sam : If real, likely off-market block trading [2016-09-03 17:24:19] CaptainDean : missed the new ATH ! :P [2016-09-03 17:27:15] CaptainDean : Any reason why i don't see my Liq price when i'm at 5X for XMR ? (Short or long) [2016-09-03 17:28:07] CaptainDean : NaN [2016-09-03 17:32:02] BitMEX_Greg : CaptainDean: Are you on cross margin? [2016-09-03 17:37:42] lockhedge : BitMEX_Sam: they used to publish a report on OTC volumes every month (last update in May when they traded <20,000 within the whole month), don't know if OTC is included in their exchange stats https://www.itbit.com/blog/itbit-bitcoin-otc-market-recap-may-2016-infographic [2016-09-03 17:38:57] CaptainDean : BitMEX_Greg: nope 5X [2016-09-03 17:39:46] CaptainDean : i think it's my browser page [2016-09-03 17:39:49] CaptainDean : reladoing a new one [2016-09-03 17:40:47] CaptainDean : BitMEX_Greg: Ok i used two different windows, first one show the correct Liq Price, second one show NaN [2016-09-03 17:41:08] CaptainDean : BitMEX_Greg: so it's matter of having multiple windows of Bitmex open at the same time [2016-09-03 17:41:44] CaptainDean : loos like a small issue ;-) [2016-09-03 17:41:57] BitMEX_Greg : What happens if you refresh the NaN window? [2016-09-03 17:42:11] CaptainDean : it doesn't work, I use Chrome [2016-09-03 17:42:21] CaptainDean : I opened a new one from the first, same result [2016-09-03 17:45:00] CaptainDean : https://www.dropbox.com/s/7lk6mlrj6ze9od0/NaN.png?dl=0 [2016-09-03 17:45:26] CaptainDean : onw swc [2016-09-03 17:46:30] BitMEX_Greg : Strange, I'll have Sam take a look [2016-09-03 17:46:34] rapidtrades : you can't monero the moonero [2016-09-03 17:46:36] CaptainDean : https://www.dropbox.com/s/7lk6mlrj6ze9od0/NaN2.png?dl=0 [2016-09-03 17:47:22] CaptainDean : both screen windows are showing XMR, but it can be whatever in the first, second will be NaN [2016-09-03 17:50:25] CaptainDean : BitMEX_Greg: Thanks ! [2016-09-03 17:50:45] CaptainDean : rapidtrades: did you close @ 265 ? [2016-09-03 17:51:05] rapidtrades : no [2016-09-03 17:51:26] CaptainDean : rapidtrades: I need to learn that patience from you ! :P [2016-09-03 18:13:26] BitMEX_Sam : Thanks CaptainDean, this is fixed - simply refresh. [2016-09-03 18:21:50] rapidtrades : CaptainDean: just a function of timeframes [2016-09-03 18:22:03] rapidtrades : i trade longer-term [2016-09-03 18:27:48] mjones : lol xmr [2016-09-03 18:27:52] REKT : Liquidated long on `XMR7D`: Sell 1070 @ 0.022844 [2016-09-03 18:28:22] REKT : Liquidated long on `XMR7D`: Sell 500 @ 0.022385 [2016-09-03 18:28:44] mjones : that's why you dont FOMO long here [2016-09-03 18:28:46] CaptainDean : BitMEX_Sam: my pleasure ! [2016-09-03 18:29:17] justinlooking : uh oh [2016-09-03 18:29:40] CaptainDean : went for a shower [2016-09-03 18:29:41] CaptainDean : BOOOOOOOOM [2016-09-03 18:31:24] rapidtrades : wtf just happened [2016-09-03 18:31:37] mjones : cheap coin army moving in [2016-09-03 18:31:59] rapidtrades : wait was that crash on polo or just here [2016-09-03 18:32:07] justinlooking : 20k mkt sell on polo [2016-09-03 18:32:11] mjones : yeah [2016-09-03 18:32:18] rapidtrades : well that's not good [2016-09-03 18:32:21] Tetsuo : XMR on polo hacked and robbed? [2016-09-03 18:32:28] Tetsuo : Bug in protocol found [2016-09-03 18:32:34] rapidtrades : shut up Tetsuo [2016-09-03 18:32:36] Tetsuo : Bug in protocol found!Hilllary Clinton steppin down on crypto criminals? [2016-09-03 18:32:38] mjones : XMR making room for SDC [2016-09-03 18:32:52] habibi : 85k morons [2016-09-03 18:33:41] CaptainDean : i think i'm buying in [2016-09-03 18:34:03] mjones : catch the falling knife. it hasnt fallen far enough [2016-09-03 18:34:35] CaptainDean : 0.2 ? [2016-09-03 18:34:52] CaptainDean : we had a lot of support @ 224 yesturday [2016-09-03 18:34:53] mjones : 0.0186 is support [2016-09-03 18:35:06] mjones : price here might hit 0.019 [2016-09-03 18:35:23] CaptainDean : mjones: 10-4, thanks you sir for you advice [2016-09-03 18:35:26] CaptainDean : your** [2016-09-03 18:35:54] rapidtrades : polo only fell to 217 not 200 like here [2016-09-03 18:36:04] rapidtrades : at least that's what charts say [2016-09-03 18:37:22] rapidtrades : scratch that, read trades wrong [2016-09-03 18:38:25] CaptainDean : the chart is wrong ? I see also 2171 [2016-09-03 18:38:41] CaptainDean : or close to that [2016-09-03 18:42:38] rapidtrades : yeah i read 0.22 as 0.2 [2016-09-03 18:53:59] Tetsuo : rapidtrades: stop foolin everyone! [2016-09-03 19:22:22] Tetsuo : Rise & shine BTC& LTC my precious cocksucker coins! [2016-09-03 19:22:46] mjones : fomo btc [2016-09-03 19:23:01] mjones : never hit 50x long so hard in my life [2016-09-03 19:23:19] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 2224 @ 581.17 [2016-09-03 19:23:19] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 41662 @ 581.74 **MEGA-REKT** :boom: [2016-09-03 19:23:19] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 34559 @ 581.43 **MEGA-REKT** :boom: [2016-09-03 19:23:27] Tetsuo : baddabing [2016-09-03 19:23:32] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 100 @ 583.06 [2016-09-03 19:23:37] sleger : any news ? [2016-09-03 19:23:37] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 28 @ 583.54 [2016-09-03 19:23:37] REKT : Gentlemen, we have an eREKTion! [2016-09-03 19:23:43] mjones : bbands mega tight [2016-09-03 19:23:46] mjones : 2% movement all week [2016-09-03 19:24:23] Tetsuo : i´m already up 3 BTC in profits on okc, halleluja! [2016-09-03 19:24:58] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 15000 @ 587.68 [2016-09-03 19:24:58] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 219 @ 587.15 [2016-09-03 19:25:05] Tetsuo : premium on the quarterlys kicked in massively [2016-09-03 19:25:17] Tetsuo : @625$ now [2016-09-03 19:25:20] Tetsuo : lelelele [2016-09-03 19:25:40] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 2138 @ 589.73 [2016-09-03 19:25:40] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 350 @ 589.85 [2016-09-03 19:25:47] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 10 @ 590.73 [2016-09-03 19:25:47] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 6198 @ 590.68 [2016-09-03 19:26:18] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 1700 @ 0.01981 [2016-09-03 19:26:18] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 845 @ 0.01985 [2016-09-03 19:26:18] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 191 @ 0.01979 [2016-09-03 19:26:58] mjones : lol hit 4200 on quarterly [2016-09-03 19:27:08] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 150 @ 0.01976 [2016-09-03 19:27:08] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 250 @ 0.01975 [2016-09-03 19:27:08] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 90 @ 0.01976 [2016-09-03 19:27:23] Tetsuo : mjones: u went also long on fututres a few hours ago didn´t you? [2016-09-03 19:27:31] mjones : yeah [2016-09-03 19:27:35] mjones : up over 100% on my long [2016-09-03 19:27:37] REKT : Liquidated long on `LTCXBT`: Sell 567 @ 0.00650 [2016-09-03 19:27:47] mjones : everything going down [2016-09-03 19:27:49] Tetsuo : mjones: excellent! [2016-09-03 19:29:06] justinlooking : 607 finex wut [2016-09-03 19:29:37] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 150 @ 0.01943 [2016-09-03 19:30:12] mjones : 615 finex. shorts panic closing [2016-09-03 19:30:24] rapidtrades : wtf [2016-09-03 19:30:31] Tetsuo : i´m also up 400 LTC, what a nice weekend! [2016-09-03 19:30:52] Tetsuo : hookers and blow for my brothers in here [2016-09-03 19:31:51] mjones : damn xmr 10x short from 0.026 would have been lovely [2016-09-03 19:31:52] REKT : Liquidated long on `XMR7D`: Sell 75 @ 0.019927 [2016-09-03 19:31:52] REKT : Liquidated long on `XMR7D`: Sell 398 @ 0.019957 [2016-09-03 19:32:45] rapidtrades : why is mark at 591 [2016-09-03 19:33:24] justinlooking : bceause stamp still at 585 [2016-09-03 19:33:32] mjones : xmr longs screwed [2016-09-03 19:33:38] rapidtrades : how is that posible [2016-09-03 19:34:04] mjones : stamp is retarded [2016-09-03 19:34:18] rapidtrades : china nearing 600 too [2016-09-03 19:34:37] REKT : Liquidated long on `XMR7D`: Sell 1 @ 0.019316 :punch: :whale: [2016-09-03 19:34:52] REKT : Liquidated long on `XMR7D`: Sell 80 @ 0.019095 [2016-09-03 19:34:58] mjones : damn xmr short [2016-09-03 19:35:12] mjones : did the wrong thing. shouldnt have longed btc [2016-09-03 19:35:20] aethlios : told you BTC going uo hard, and xmr will dump when btc pumps. [2016-09-03 19:35:37] Tetsuo : aethlios: : - ) [2016-09-03 19:35:45] Tetsuo : Death to all scamcoins! [2016-09-03 19:36:03] aethlios : Tetsuo: we can buy back cheaoer. [2016-09-03 19:36:32] Tetsuo : nah, i´m only tradin BTC<C in the next time [2016-09-03 19:37:33] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC7D`: Sell 1500 @ 0.002280 [2016-09-03 19:42:01] mjones : polo lag helping coins not collapse [2016-09-03 19:42:26] aethlios : only stamp is very low. [2016-09-03 19:42:46] Tetsuo : 50% aka 4000BTC left the buy side on XMR@ polo :-) this will end bad [2016-09-03 19:42:49] habibi : power of " no more finex in our index ever " :D [2016-09-03 19:43:06] CaptainDean : damm missed the boat @18670 [2016-09-03 19:43:08] mjones : stamp shouldnt be included in anything. shit exchange that cant fool us. we know they only have 3 traders [2016-09-03 19:44:05] aethlios : btc to 800 in 2 days. [2016-09-03 19:44:33] mjones : labor day merical [2016-09-03 19:45:02] mjones : btc china = shit exchange too [2016-09-03 19:45:58] rapidtrades : bitfinex $603.00 [2016-09-03 19:46:17] habibi : now u care about finex [2016-09-03 19:46:17] rapidtrades : whales prolly got the whistle to get out [2016-09-03 19:46:29] aethlios : if want a price of xmr, I say 0.0075, which is fib 23.6%, if btc goes above 800 this is very possible, all pumps retrace usually 75% of the move, but in usd will fall less. [2016-09-03 19:46:30] mjones : bitfinex has 3,509 BTC in shorts [2016-09-03 19:46:32] rapidtrades : or owners cashing out before being closed down [2016-09-03 19:46:45] mjones : i would say almost all not in profit [2016-09-03 19:47:10] aethlios : next leg pump 66o. [2016-09-03 19:48:32] mjones : okcoin the only exchange that matters [2016-09-03 19:52:49] mjones : xmr bouncing off support. [2016-09-03 19:53:56] aethlios : when btc pumps, alts go to dog shit [2016-09-03 19:54:35] mjones : after the alt got pumped 2x-6x of course