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[2016-08-25 01:51:47] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 33331 @ 572.93 **MEGA-REKT** :boom:
[2016-08-25 01:53:32] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 150 @ 572.33
[2016-08-25 02:46:34] ayy_lmao : inb4 xmr rekt
[2016-08-25 02:47:07] ayy_lmao : lmao mm pulling orders again
[2016-08-25 03:44:53] willybot : all XMR buys pulled. well done MM
[2016-08-25 03:51:40] ayy_lmao : lmaooo
[2016-08-25 03:52:14] ayy_lmao : mm rekt
[2016-08-25 03:52:45] ayy_lmao : suprised no liquidations
[2016-08-25 03:54:03] willybot : ayy_lmao: they are coming. Traders are on the last leg. One more downwards push and it cascades
[2016-08-25 03:55:28] zanza : willybot, when are you shutting down this site?
[2016-08-25 03:57:00] willybot : zanza: when its profitable
[2016-08-25 04:02:38] REKT : Liquidated short on `XMR7D`: Buy 28 @ 0.007158
[2016-08-25 04:18:58] zanza : ok
[2016-08-25 05:29:31] zanza : ETC breaking down technically
[2016-08-25 05:49:20] aethlios : bitmex any plans to turn xmr, etc tp swap??
[2016-08-25 06:02:59] BitMEX_Wally : Yes if it trades well
[2016-08-25 06:09:20] Tetsuo : i´m sure ETC will trade well untll it hits 0$ in a few weeks when the network gets shut down
[2016-08-25 06:44:06] rapidtrades : good morning
[2016-08-25 06:47:02] REKT : Liquidated short on `XMR7D`: Buy 10 @ 0.007520
[2016-08-25 06:47:02] REKT : Liquidated short on `XMR7D`: Buy 72 @ 0.007493
[2016-08-25 06:54:52] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC7D`: Sell 1456 @ 0.002389
[2016-08-25 08:47:21] REKT : Liquidated long on `XMR7D`: Sell 43 @ 0.006943
[2016-08-25 08:55:56] Tetsuo : Rise & shine ETH
[2016-08-25 11:09:28] BitMEX_Wally : :)
[2016-08-25 11:14:58] rapidtrades : BitMEX_Wally: hey so in my trade history...where it says fee rate and fee paid....if these are negative does it mean i got paid?
[2016-08-25 11:15:14] BitMEX_Wally : rapidtrades: Yes that's correct
[2016-08-25 11:15:22] rapidtrades : ok cool
[2016-08-25 11:43:52] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC7D`: Sell 5770 @ 0.002331
[2016-08-25 11:45:02] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC7D`: Sell 7500 @ 0.002317
[2016-08-25 12:35:58] rapidtrades : why is monero getting the spotlight and not dash?
[2016-08-25 12:36:08] rapidtrades : they're both anoncoins?
[2016-08-25 12:36:39] Boontjie : rapidtrades: darknet uses monero
[2016-08-25 12:37:08] rapidtrades : source?
[2016-08-25 12:37:28] Boontjie : http://themerkle.com/monero-xmr-on-the-rise-following-its-inclusion-in-the-darknet-market-alphabay/
[2016-08-25 12:43:37] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC7D`: Sell 10 @ 0.002279
[2016-08-25 13:07:22] willybot : sitting in usd. Next ship leaves the station tuesday
[2016-08-25 14:03:32] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC7D`: Sell 140 @ 0.002254
[2016-08-25 14:18:44] Kalman : BitMEX_Wally: Hi, the value column in the trade history shows only 4 digits. Do you calculate internally with more, e.g. 8 ?
[2016-08-25 14:22:01] BitMEX_Sam : Kalman: Yes, all calculations are in Satoshis. You can change which currency you display by clicking your username dropdown in the top right.
[2016-08-25 14:23:01] Kalman : great, thx!
[2016-08-25 14:51:22] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETC7D`: Buy 30 @ 0.002368
[2016-08-25 14:55:17] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETC7D`: Buy 291 @ 0.002417
[2016-08-25 14:56:07] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETC7D`: Buy 3300 @ 0.002427
[2016-08-25 15:32:34] Rado : sup punks
[2016-08-25 15:47:55] CaptainDean : Hey Rado
[2016-08-25 15:52:04] Rado : CaptainDean: hey
[2016-08-25 17:29:37] REKT : Liquidated long on `LTCXBT`: Sell 30 @ 0.00657
[2016-08-25 17:54:07] REKT : Liquidated long on `LTCXBT`: Sell 2400 @ 0.00653
[2016-08-25 18:28:01] CaptainDean : 3$ premium price, long time no see
[2016-08-25 18:36:28] Rado : doing my first trade on XMR
[2016-08-25 18:36:56] Rado : very quite in here
[2016-08-25 18:38:59] Rado : my liq price on XMR is 0.001624
[2016-08-25 18:39:08] Rado : I guess I could have done a bigger position
[2016-08-25 18:39:17] Rado : why am I talking to myself
[2016-08-25 18:39:21] Rado : :-)
[2016-08-25 18:47:52] BitMEX_Greg : Rado: What are your thoughts about XMR?
[2016-08-25 18:48:21] Rado : right now I just entered a long from 0.0062
[2016-08-25 18:48:41] Rado : a secondary rally which will be much weaker
[2016-08-25 18:48:58] Rado : will get out anywhere over 0.0072
[2016-08-25 18:49:17] Rado : it could go higher, but I am not going to stick with it
[2016-08-25 18:49:26] Rado : I know nothing about XMR
[2016-08-25 18:49:43] Rado : just technically it was good for a trade
[2016-08-25 18:49:55] ayy_lmao : where did u long
[2016-08-25 18:50:05] ayy_lmao : polo or here
[2016-08-25 18:50:15] Rado : here of course
[2016-08-25 18:50:34] Rado : who trades on normal exchanges when you have BitMEX ;-)
[2016-08-25 18:50:41] ayy_lmao : how were you able to long at 62, chart on here only shows 65 low
[2016-08-25 18:50:51] Rado : oh
[2016-08-25 18:50:53] Rado : sorry
[2016-08-25 18:50:59] Rado : long is at 0.00662
[2016-08-25 18:51:04] ayy_lmao : oh makes sense
[2016-08-25 18:51:11] Rado : my mistake
[2016-08-25 18:51:45] Rado : I guess lowest trades were 0.00645
[2016-08-25 18:53:24] Rado : there is always a chance the bounce is already done and it will continue down
[2016-08-25 20:37:33] justinlooking : trolls are kill
[2016-08-25 20:38:35] justinlooking : where is rapricktrades
[2016-08-25 20:38:52] rapidtrades : :)
[2016-08-25 20:39:01] justinlooking : hello geez
[2016-08-25 20:40:32] rapidtrades : Rado: waiting for a break of the highs
[2016-08-25 20:43:15] Rado : rapidtrades: on what rapidtrades?
[2016-08-25 20:43:32] rapidtrades : xmr
[2016-08-25 20:43:41] Rado : I have my sell order ;-)
[2016-08-25 20:44:34] rapidtrades : only 33% away :)
[2016-08-25 20:45:10] Rado : I am selling way bellow what I think a possible target is
[2016-08-25 20:45:20] Rado : I think it's going to 0.0075
[2016-08-25 20:45:27] Rado : but selling at 0.007299
[2016-08-25 20:45:35] Rado : filled :-)
[2016-08-25 20:45:42] rapidtrades : ahahaha nice one
[2016-08-25 20:45:58] Rado : MM seem to have dropped
[2016-08-25 20:46:23] Rado : he is back
[2016-08-25 20:46:30] rapidtrades : kind of
[2016-08-25 20:46:53] rapidtrades : i think that trade was too quick and easy....likely rally not over :)
[2016-08-25 20:47:07] Rado : yes
[2016-08-25 20:47:20] Rado : but I am not in the business of catching tops or bottoms
[2016-08-25 20:47:22] Rado : :-)
[2016-08-25 20:47:41] rapidtrades : why 0.0075?
[2016-08-25 20:48:36] rapidtrades : btw does anyone know what was monero's market cap prior to this rally? where was it in the top
[2016-08-25 20:48:37] Rado : it had 3-4 touch points there before
[2016-08-25 20:48:43] Rado : see this chart I created
[2016-08-25 20:48:44] Rado : https://www.tradingview.com/chart/XMRBTC/50ENMt7W-XMR-bounce-in-progress/
[2016-08-25 20:51:38] rapidtrades : i see ur point
[2016-08-25 20:56:55] rapidtrades : man bitcoin really can't stay above that 10b market cap
[2016-08-25 20:57:15] rapidtrades : when was the last time we were there? right before gox went under?
[2016-08-25 20:57:55] rapidtrades : then in june and now we're dead
[2016-08-25 20:58:03] rapidtrades : daily chart looks ugly as sin
[2016-08-25 20:58:45] Rado : rapidtrades: once it starts going it will be epic
[2016-08-25 20:58:46] Rado : imo
[2016-08-25 20:59:04] Rado : it needs a trigger
[2016-08-25 20:59:13] Rado : like FED doing something stupid
[2016-08-25 20:59:24] Rado : or DB going ch11
[2016-08-25 20:59:38] Rado : bond bubble finally bursting
[2016-08-25 20:59:45] Rado : a lot of things can trigger it
[2016-08-25 20:59:51] Rado : I think it's not far away
[2016-08-25 20:59:55] Rado : maybe this October
[2016-08-25 21:02:16] rapidtrades : i doubt any of the things u said will have a lasting impact
[2016-08-25 21:05:22] rapidtrades : im going through the top coins and aside from btc/usd polo leads them all
[2016-08-25 21:05:46] rapidtrades : guess i should make an account
[2016-08-25 21:06:15] rapidtrades : what's the leverage? 3/1?
[2016-08-25 21:11:01] rapidtrades : why are they desisting DSH? isn't that dash?
[2016-08-25 21:24:06] Rado : 2.5 x 1
[2016-08-25 21:24:14] Rado : no
[2016-08-25 21:24:30] Rado : Dash is DASH
[2016-08-25 21:24:51] rapidtrades : what is dsh then
[2016-08-25 21:25:21] rapidtrades : cos on btc-e i see DSHBTC and it says DASH
[2016-08-25 21:25:28] rapidtrades : when u hover over it
[2016-08-25 21:26:06] Rado : I don't see DSH
[2016-08-25 21:26:28] Rado : going out
[2016-08-25 21:26:32] rapidtrades : WHAT
[2016-08-25 21:26:33] Rado : tty later
[2016-08-25 21:26:38] rapidtrades : NO
[2016-08-25 21:27:24] rapidtrades : https://btc-e.com/exchange/dsh_btc
[2016-08-25 21:32:40] rapidtrades : i don;t get it....what's the DSH that polo will be delisting
[2016-08-25 21:35:19] habibi : rapidtrades: dummie http://lmgtfy.com/?q=DSH+bitcointalk
[2016-08-25 21:35:42] rapidtrades : habibi: IT'S DUMMY DUMBO
[2016-08-25 21:36:01] habibi : dummie suits u better :)
[2016-08-25 21:42:37] rapidtrades : habibi: i see now why sleger doesn't like u
[2016-08-25 21:44:29] habibi : brilliant argument :) i guess u care a lot about what sleger thinks about u, but u are the only one who cares
[2016-08-25 23:18:21] HackedOnBFX : Why can't I connect with the MM bot?
[2016-08-25 23:18:25] HackedOnBFX : Is it down?
[2016-08-25 23:24:48] BitMEX_Sam : I assume you self-hosted it, so that's probably a question best answered by you
[2016-08-25 23:31:07] tb : is there a way to roll the bfx token through expiry?
[2016-08-25 23:31:32] tb : I don't want to have to open a new position and pay the spread again
[2016-08-25 23:34:37] BitMEX_Greg : tb: We don't have a roll contract unfortunately. You can try asking trader's here who may be on the opposite side to trade with you in the market
[2016-08-25 23:42:55] tb : even something like an opening auction for the new contract with prices quoted +/- index or nav would be good too
[2016-08-25 23:44:37] ayy_lmao : the would have spread too?
[2016-08-25 23:49:08] ayy_lmao : that
[2016-08-25 23:49:20] tb : no
[2016-08-25 23:49:47] tb : it's an auction, so everyone bids in price below/above settlement/open
[2016-08-25 23:50:09] tb : the book can be crossed
[2016-08-25 23:50:21] ayy_lmao : lol
[2016-08-25 23:50:25] ayy_lmao : insta liquidations
[2016-08-25 23:51:08] tb : no
[2016-08-25 23:51:41] tb : because it'll most likely trade very close to the old contract's settlement price/new contract's opening price
[2016-08-25 23:53:58] tb : @BitMEX_Greg is this something you guys can add at some point?
[2016-08-25 23:54:53] tb : like if i were to marketmake i would need a way to hedge rebalance charm
[2016-08-25 23:55:16] tb : err settlement
[2016-08-25 23:56:11] BitMEX_Greg : tb: Unlikely we will add a roll contract for the BFX contract. We may look at changing it over to the perpetual swap style later if it still exists and trades well
[2016-08-26 00:02:26] HackedOnBFX : BitMEX_Sam: i meant, is something on the site down
[2016-08-26 00:13:10] BitMEX_Greg : HackedOnBFX: I don't see any outages on our end.
[2016-08-26 00:59:07] Rado : tb: fees are so small
[2016-08-26 00:59:21] Rado : you even get paid if you put a limit order
[2016-08-26 00:59:51] Rado : sell in the middle between bid and ask
[2016-08-26 01:11:42] Rado : XMR target hit now
[2016-08-26 01:28:01] Rado : STEEM looks oversold and should also get a bounce
[2016-08-26 01:28:47] Rado : Some positive divergences
[2016-08-26 02:23:25] Rado : ETH in stealth rally
[2016-08-26 02:42:51] REKT : Liquidated short on `XMR7D`: Buy 65 @ 0.007652
[2016-08-26 05:01:52] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 9 @ 0.01960
[2016-08-26 05:02:18] BitMEX_Wally : `BFXU16` has been listed: https://www.bitmex.com/app/trade/BFXU16
[2016-08-26 05:24:44] rapidtrades : BitMEX_Wally: mark on sept is way above bi/asks
[2016-08-26 05:25:01] micmix : BitMEX_Wally: very nice! have you made any decision about XBTZ16 or other long-term quantos?
[2016-08-26 06:15:40] rapidtrades : yeah we want a new quanto
[2016-08-26 06:18:37] Kalman : BitMEX_Wally: Do you also disconnect trading bots after 24 h?
[2016-08-26 06:18:49] Kalman : BitMEX_Wally: Hi
[2016-08-26 07:22:12] martyix : Can anyone explain to me results of https://testnet.bitmex.com/api/v1/user/wallet?currency=XBt ?
[2016-08-26 07:22:18] martyix : What exactly is the value "amount"? What is "deltaAmount"?
[2016-08-26 07:29:56] BitMEX_Wally : martyix: `amount` is the net total of all wallet transactions (not including pending rebalances)
[2016-08-26 07:30:12] BitMEX_Wally : `walletBalance = (amount - pendingDebit) + realisedPnl`
[2016-08-26 07:30:54] martyix : thank you!
[2016-08-26 07:31:45] BitMEX_Wally : Kalman: We don't disconnect trading bots, but access tokens expire after 24 hours, so I recommend you request an API key
[2016-08-26 07:34:42] Kalman : BitMEX_Wally: Done so. How can one refresh the access token while beeing connected?
[2016-08-26 07:35:22] BitMEX_Wally : https://www.bitmex.com/app/restAPI#authentication
[2016-08-26 07:35:31] BitMEX_Wally : `Access tokens are valid for 24hrs. After that time, you must request another. Simply POST to /user/login`
[2016-08-26 07:37:03] Kalman : BitMEX_Wally: Sorry beeing imprecise, the script is connected via API key, this access token doesnt expire?
[2016-08-26 07:37:33] BitMEX_Wally : access tokens are different from API keys
[2016-08-26 07:38:29] BitMEX_Wally : API keys do not expire, but each message has to be signed with the secret
[2016-08-26 07:38:32] BitMEX_Wally : https://www.bitmex.com/app/apiKeysUsage
[2016-08-26 07:41:38] BitMEX_Wally : If you have a WebSocket connection then occasionally the connection maybe dropped when we roll updates to the servers, but you can always reconnect
[2016-08-26 07:42:34] Kalman : BitMEX_Wally: did you last night have an updated etc. ?
[2016-08-26 07:43:54] BitMEX_Wally : There was a restart at Aug 25 19:43:28 UTC
[2016-08-26 07:48:45] Kalman : BitMEX_Wally: my local time was 22:17 ... so it should be this morning HK time
[2016-08-26 07:57:29] Kalman : BitMEX_Wally: anyway, will get around this. Thx
[2016-08-26 08:37:05] billyboy402 : BitMEX_Wally: hey mate , when the XBTU16 finish does it get settle on the index price or the mark price ?
[2016-08-26 08:38:59] rapidtrades : index
[2016-08-26 11:50:17] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETC7D`: Buy 5200 @ 0.002449
[2016-08-26 11:51:38] subjective : BitMEX_Wally: why is mark price of ETC lower than polo it is 0.00253 already
[2016-08-26 11:52:17] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETC7D`: Buy 1100 @ 0.002455
[2016-08-26 11:53:42] sleger : subjective: TWAP ?
[2016-08-26 11:55:13] subjective : Ok
[2016-08-26 12:01:22] subjective : That is a pretty big diff on the settlement price, sign...
[2016-08-26 12:01:39] sleger : yes the calculation is clearly bugged
[2016-08-26 12:02:33] subjective : 0.002479 vs 0.00257 big diff there
[2016-08-26 12:03:14] BitMEX_Wally : The mark price is based off the indicative settlement price which is the cumulative 30 minute TWAP before settlement
[2016-08-26 12:03:47] subjective : Was that a settlement pump, because Bitmex is the only place to leaverage ETC at the moment
[2016-08-26 12:04:37] BitMEX_Wally : Open interest here was only 150 Bitcoin so unlikely
[2016-08-26 12:11:22] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 60 @ 0.01944
[2016-08-26 12:43:31] rapidtrades : sleger: still holding them tokens?
[2016-08-26 12:43:47] sleger : BitMEX_Wally: you should make the twap for weekly more than 30 min
[2016-08-26 12:44:04] sleger : rapidtrades: yes, not touching those
[2016-08-26 12:53:19] rapidtrades : sleger: they're only good if u want to bargain....has bitfinex been receptive?
[2016-08-26 12:54:46] sleger : not much, i think they are trying to save time to delay anything else and to try and raise money
[2016-08-26 12:55:25] sleger : if they succeed and reimburse customer losses with it, that's work with me, and im sure there are lot of people stupid enough to invest in that business
[2016-08-26 12:57:16] rapidtrades : i don't see how they can stay in business...there are so many potential avenues for suing
[2016-08-26 12:58:19] rapidtrades : not just on individual but on regulatory level as well
[2016-08-26 12:58:32] rapidtrades : they're bound to get slapped hard by the CFTC for example
[2016-08-26 13:00:57] sleger : these usually only put fines that can be absorbed by the business revenues
[2016-08-26 13:04:48] rapidtrades : i wouldn't be so sure in this case
[2016-08-26 13:05:01] rapidtrades : if this was in america, they would shut them down for sure
[2016-08-26 13:41:45] Rado : damn I missed the short on XMR
[2016-08-26 13:43:24] Rado : went all the way to 0.08
[2016-08-26 13:49:46] Rado : I think FCT might go down to test 0.0035 - 0.004 area
[2016-08-26 13:49:51] Rado : should be a nice short here
[2016-08-26 14:13:41] Rado : hard to trade FCT here now as there is no volume
[2016-08-26 14:13:57] Rado : I guess only works once the underling starts moving
[2016-08-26 14:20:28] Rado : actually this alt coins are really easy to trade on 15 min chart
[2016-08-26 14:21:07] Rado : they seem to follow the TA patterns
[2016-08-26 14:21:36] Rado : crypto space still not manipulated like wall street I guess
[2016-08-26 14:21:55] Rado : 411 users in here?
[2016-08-26 14:22:19] Rado : not a soul posting
[2016-08-26 14:23:04] muirtastic : So was BFX delisted on here? I don't see any bids or asks
[2016-08-26 14:24:06] arbitrage001 : sleger: any reason why investing in bitfinex is stupid? token holder better off holding it till they redeem at 1 dollar?
[2016-08-26 14:24:24] muirtastic : why do you think they will ever redeem at $1?
[2016-08-26 14:24:29] muirtastic : They need $72 million to do that
[2016-08-26 14:24:53] sleger : their plan is to raise money on the bnk platform and repay their debts
[2016-08-26 14:25:14] Rado : muirtastic: it's the new contract
[2016-08-26 14:25:28] sleger : if they succeed it will be good for customers, but i doubt it will be good for people investing in that
[2016-08-26 14:25:30] muirtastic : unlikely they will raise $72 million or anywhere remotely close to that.
[2016-08-26 14:25:48] muirtastic : There's still a good chance some lawsuits will take them out but time will tell
[2016-08-26 14:25:51] arbitrage001 : sleger: pretty much depend on valuation, isnt it?
[2016-08-26 14:26:17] Rado : arbitrage001: exactly, what is the current valuation
[2016-08-26 14:26:34] Rado : are there any revenue figures out there?
[2016-08-26 14:26:36] Rado : let me check
[2016-08-26 14:26:38] arbitrage001 : Rado: no one know how much busness will drop due to the hack
[2016-08-26 14:26:57] Rado : lets say we use valuation based on revenues prior to the hack
[2016-08-26 14:27:05] Rado : for investment purpose
[2016-08-26 14:27:11] muirtastic : I think at their old revenue figures, it was estimated that would take 7 years and that would be committing all their profits to repaying
[2016-08-26 14:27:14] arbitrage001 : pe of 10 or less would be nice
[2016-08-26 14:27:31] Rado : 10?
[2016-08-26 14:27:38] muirtastic : oh well I lost a good bit shorting BFX last contract but going to do it again
[2016-08-26 14:27:47] Rado : for any new space like crypto PE will be way higher
[2016-08-26 14:27:59] arbitrage001 : then i will not invest
[2016-08-26 14:28:09] arbitrage001 : rather hold coin and redeem at 1
[2016-08-26 14:28:13] Rado : arbitrage001: that's your choice
[2016-08-26 14:28:20] arbitrage001 : assuming they can repay in 1-2 years
[2016-08-26 14:28:53] arbitrage001 : Rado: dont forget the debt market can become irrational
[2016-08-26 14:29:23] arbitrage001 : people might bid all the way up to 90 cents if they think pe is reasonable
[2016-08-26 14:29:30] arbitrage001 : or close to par
[2016-08-26 14:29:48] muirtastic : Yes and the alt coin market is irrational too and people could treat it like an alt
[2016-08-26 14:30:23] Rado : Bitfinex: Arthur Hayes estimates $3.42 million 6 months revenue
[2016-08-26 14:30:26] Rado : he he
[2016-08-26 14:30:34] Rado : Arthur did some calculations
[2016-08-26 14:30:53] Rado : so if we say 7 mill revenue per year and 10x sales valuation
[2016-08-26 14:30:53] muirtastic : so 7 million a year revenue..that is not all profit of course.
[2016-08-26 14:30:59] Rado : the whole company is worth 70 mill
[2016-08-26 14:31:15] Rado : so if someone invests 70 mill they should own 100%
[2016-08-26 14:31:17] Rado : lol
[2016-08-26 14:31:23] muirtastic : I sure would not invest in Bitfinex with the current management in place
[2016-08-26 14:31:42] arbitrage001 : Rado: existing shareholders all get wiped out?
[2016-08-26 14:31:54] muirtastic : They have proven themselves incompetent and guilty of criminal negligence and some of them have shady past history as well.
[2016-08-26 14:32:13] arbitrage001 : muirtastic: everyone in crypto space are shady
[2016-08-26 14:32:18] muirtastic : seems like existing shareholders will get their shares diiluted incredible.
[2016-08-26 14:32:28] muirtastic : arbitrage001: not everyone but quite a few, it seems.
[2016-08-26 14:33:55] Rado : muirtastic: exactly, at least 100% dilution
[2016-08-26 14:34:16] BitMEX_Sam : I believe that's why they're going with bnktothefuture
[2016-08-26 14:34:16] Rado : however if I am the CEO I would like 50% better than 0
[2016-08-26 14:34:40] ayy_lmao : polo closed at below 72 but bitmex settled at 75? lmao
[2016-08-26 14:34:44] ayy_lmao : XMR
[2016-08-26 14:35:11] Rado : ayy_lmao: closed at 72?
[2016-08-26 14:35:18] Rado : what time are you looking at?
[2016-08-26 14:35:51] ayy_lmao : my bad 73
[2016-08-26 14:35:54] ayy_lmao : lol
[2016-08-26 14:36:21] Rado : that's why I don't stay in for settelment
[2016-08-26 14:36:43] Rado : why would you do that when you can sell limit and get paid?
[2016-08-26 14:36:55] arbitrage001 : BitMEX_Sam: why they going with bankofthe future?
[2016-08-26 14:36:57] Rado : instead of paying and not knowing what price you will get
[2016-08-26 14:37:32] rapidtrades : arbitrage001: cos it's a shady fundraising platform for shady companies
[2016-08-26 14:38:18] arbitrage001 : rapidtrades: shady in what way
[2016-08-26 14:38:23] arbitrage001 : this is the first time i heard the bank
[2016-08-26 14:38:39] rapidtrades : it's not a bank
[2016-08-26 14:38:56] rapidtrades : forex is such bullshit
[2016-08-26 14:51:51] Rado : rapidtrades: are you trading USDJPY on the FED?
[2016-08-26 15:15:32] messiaen8844 : BTC-e Leader for USD volume now
[2016-08-26 15:15:45] messiaen8844 : Kraken/GDAX also ahead of bitfinex
[2016-08-26 15:17:26] Rado : that's to be expected
[2016-08-26 15:18:00] Rado : BTCE were smart to do a promotion during Bitfinex hack
[2016-08-26 15:19:15] messiaen8844 : fee promotion?
[2016-08-26 15:28:00] Rado : yes
[2016-08-26 15:28:13] Rado : they had a promotion for commission free trades
[2016-08-26 15:28:18] Rado : until end of August I think
[2016-08-26 15:28:38] Rado : we need to see if the volume will stay at the same levels after promotion ends
[2016-08-26 15:38:29] messiaen8844 : btc-e interface looks like 90's internet ;D
[2016-08-26 15:39:57] messiaen8844 : Best UI I have seen so far in the space is bitmex, really nice
[2016-08-26 15:41:29] BitMEX_Sam : :+1: Glad you like it
[2016-08-26 15:41:49] Rado : agreed
[2016-08-26 15:41:56] Rado : I have accounts with 5 exchanges
[2016-08-26 15:49:57] messiaen8844 : was looking at augur.net and their UI
[2016-08-26 15:49:59] messiaen8844 : oh god
[2016-08-26 15:50:11] messiaen8844 : they should hire Sam :D
[2016-08-26 16:45:22] HackedOnBFX : Hi, I get an error on the market making bot that says "unable to find settings-ETC7D.py" when I try to run it with ETC7D instead of XBTUSD
[2016-08-26 16:45:32] HackedOnBFX : Any clue on what that is?
[2016-08-26 16:52:54] nip : while you're at it can you make my c# bot work with websockets?
[2016-08-26 17:01:50] Rado : HackedOnBFX: looks like each pair is expecting a settings file
[2016-08-26 17:02:03] Rado : copy the one you have for xbtusd and create one for etc
[2016-08-26 17:02:12] Rado : you might need to change settings inside
[2016-08-26 17:27:13] justinlooking : ayy_lmao: XMR twap rekt
[2016-08-26 17:29:55] justinlooking : HackedOnBFX: u figure it out from Rados msg?
[2016-08-26 17:52:33] HackedOnBFX : justinlooking: @Rado It says handshake status 401
[2016-08-26 18:13:50] rapidtrades : Rado: forex rekt
[2016-08-26 18:17:42] justinlooking : HackedOnBFX: sounds like u messed up ur api keys
[2016-08-26 19:00:20] Rado : rapidtrades: what happened?
[2016-08-26 19:00:32] Rado : did you get whipsawed
[2016-08-26 19:55:00] rapidtrades : Rado: not really but every trade I had on reversed
[2016-08-26 19:56:14] Rado : :(
[2016-08-26 20:00:35] rapidtrades : also i've been running few short-term systems on the euro and i've been getting clobbered this year with the lowering volatility
[2016-08-26 20:02:35] asdfman : 1XBT @25x must be a no prossible type betting: perpetual LTC untill parity with BTC. one in a trillion
[2016-08-26 20:02:59] asdfman : would be fun though
[2016-08-26 20:03:53] asdfman : I think I would not do so much more like this after that. :P
[2016-08-26 20:04:01] rapidtrades : looks like monero lost the momentum
[2016-08-26 20:04:30] Kalman : time to short
[2016-08-26 20:05:20] Rado : shorting alt coins is always a winning bet
[2016-08-26 20:05:30] Rado : just don't do it while there is a momentum
[2016-08-26 20:05:34] Rado : after that it's easy
[2016-08-26 20:06:15] Rado : I intended to short XMR over 0.008, but missed it
[2016-08-26 20:07:58] rapidtrades : still too high for my taste
[2016-08-26 20:08:19] rapidtrades : waiting for it to roll over...it break the highs
[2016-08-26 20:13:29] Rado : rapidtrades: confused me
[2016-08-26 20:13:41] Rado : you want long or short?
[2016-08-26 20:14:10] sleger : i'd say he wants to short
[2016-08-26 20:14:58] rapidtrades : i'll prolly long it if it breaks the highs
[2016-08-26 20:15:02] justinlooking : haha
[2016-08-26 20:15:05] rapidtrades : for short....idk it's tricky
[2016-08-26 20:15:32] rapidtrades : i trade on daily charts so i will need more time...more daily candles
[2016-08-26 20:17:01] Rado : got it
[2016-08-26 20:17:09] Rado : on daily still bulish
[2016-08-26 20:27:38] Rado : it's kind of boring right now
[2016-08-26 20:27:46] Rado : BTC and ALTs not moving
[2016-08-26 20:27:59] Rado : when I am busy all kinds of movements happen, but not now
[2016-08-26 20:28:06] Rado : gods don't want me to trade
[2016-08-26 20:28:18] rapidtrades : yeah BTC prolly waiting for bitfinex situation to resolve
[2016-08-26 20:28:35] Rado : nah
[2016-08-26 20:28:42] Rado : BTC is way past Bitfinex
[2016-08-26 20:28:52] Rado : waiting for monetary policy to fuck up
[2016-08-26 20:29:31] Rado : FED says it will raise rate all the time, but they will not
[2016-08-26 20:29:43] Rado : some kind of hyper inflation is coming
[2016-08-26 20:31:00] rapidtrades : i wouldn't count on it
[2016-08-26 20:33:36] Rado : of course
[2016-08-26 20:33:57] Rado : we don't know what exactly the powers to be have in store
[2016-08-26 20:34:24] Rado : The Economist said in 1988 that in 2018 new global currency will be created
[2016-08-26 20:34:30] Rado : that is not by chance
[2016-08-26 20:34:33] Rado : it was planed
[2016-08-26 20:35:12] Rado : https://socioecohistory.wordpress.com/2014/07/26/flashback-1988-get-ready-for-a-world-currency-by-2018%E2%80%B3-the-economist-magazine/
[2016-08-26 20:44:57] justinlooking : rothscoin
[2016-08-26 20:49:10] zanza : lol
[2016-08-27 05:10:44] Alignment : guys how do i increase my liq price
[2016-08-27 05:11:06] Alignment : ive a short going on and realized my liq price wasnt that high so i deposited more btc but it didnt increase it
[2016-08-27 05:20:37] lockhedge : Alignment: you can choose "Cross margin" to use the whole account balance as collateral or you can adjust isolated margin manually https://www.bitmex.com/app/isolatedMargin
[2016-08-27 05:26:37] Alignment : where do i enable it?
[2016-08-27 05:27:52] Alignment : found it
[2016-08-27 05:27:59] Alignment : thx lockhedge you are amazing
[2016-08-27 05:28:09] Alignment : so easy
[2016-08-27 12:34:29] investor : XMR pump incoming on POLO
[2016-08-27 12:36:33] Rado : investor: I don't see such thing
[2016-08-27 12:38:45] Rado : might be ETC's turn to get a nice bounce
[2016-08-27 12:50:54] rapidtrades : aloha
[2016-08-27 12:51:15] rapidtrades : mah jews
[2016-08-27 12:59:26] sleger : freaking flight canceled damn !
[2016-08-27 13:03:34] arbitrage001 : ask for free hotel room from airline
[2016-08-27 13:05:21] rapidtrades : sleger: i usually miss flights, never had one cancelled yet
[2016-08-27 13:05:54] sleger : they rebooked me on one 3hrs later
[2016-08-27 13:05:59] rapidtrades : where are u going anyway
[2016-08-27 13:06:03] sleger : at least they have billecart-salmon champagne in the lounge
[2016-08-27 13:06:34] rapidtrades : sounds fancy :)
[2016-08-27 13:06:35] sleger : nyc for 10 days
[2016-08-27 13:06:56] rapidtrades : cool
[2016-08-27 13:07:00] sleger : yes its pretty good, one of the bests for <100 euros a bottle
[2016-08-27 13:09:04] sleger : veuve for <50$, then bollinger/billecart for 50-100$ then dom for 150 then krug for 180$ are the bests of the non-vintage champs
[2016-08-27 13:09:18] rapidtrades : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQiM2SEuqPY
[2016-08-27 13:11:38] rapidtrades : Putin was NOT amused
[2016-08-27 13:13:15] sleger : some american dude just poured orange juice in his 80$ champ, I want to punch him
[2016-08-27 13:14:11] Rado : lol
[2016-08-27 13:14:36] Rado : sleger: I feel like this most of the time about north american culture
[2016-08-27 13:14:58] sleger : waste proseco, fine, but good champ ....
[2016-08-27 13:14:58] Rado : got used to many things after 20 years, but still some things piss me off
[2016-08-27 13:16:01] Rado : my brother-in-law is coming to visit me and they missed their flight at Dallas
[2016-08-27 13:16:05] Rado : had to spend the night
[2016-08-27 13:16:28] Rado : this morning catching another flight
[2016-08-27 13:16:36] Rado : a lot of delays looks like
[2016-08-27 13:16:48] sleger : sleeping in a hotel airport, I'd never do that
[2016-08-27 13:17:05] Rado : there were no other flights to catch
[2016-08-27 13:17:09] sleger : in Dallas it's not too far from town (25 min drive if I remember well)
[2016-08-27 13:17:23] Rado : I think they are 10 min from teh airport
[2016-08-27 13:17:37] sleger : they have really good food there so you can go, have a nice dinner, bar....
[2016-08-27 13:19:12] Rado : man BTC and ETH will put me to sleep
[2016-08-27 13:19:29] sleger : i am long both, but long term
[2016-08-27 13:19:55] Rado : I have some Sept contracts on XBTUSD
[2016-08-27 13:20:04] Rado : out of ETH at the moment
[2016-08-27 13:20:12] sleger : same, if volatility picks up it will be a killer
[2016-08-27 13:20:24] sleger : otherwise small loss
[2016-08-27 13:20:24] Rado : going to make some coffee
[2016-08-27 13:20:32] Rado : right
[2016-08-27 13:20:38] rapidtrades : not rly, it's only 25 days...premium will be capped @sleger
[2016-08-27 13:20:53] Rado : rapidtrades: depends on the move
[2016-08-27 13:21:04] sleger : this lounge is probably the best i've seen, small but really nice and good food, wine/champ, in the smallest paris airport, Orly
[2016-08-27 13:21:08] Rado : I think we might be out of luck as the move might happen in October
[2016-08-27 13:21:33] sleger : rapidtrades: yes but I bought it a while ago, unfortunately it didnt pay off yet, but it doesnt always work
[2016-08-27 13:22:12] sleger : i'm fine with taking small provisioned losses from time to time
[2016-08-27 13:22:16] rapidtrades : i don't usually buy quantos cos most of my starts are long vol anyway
[2016-08-27 13:22:34] rapidtrades : it's a shame there won't be a new one
[2016-08-27 13:23:15] sleger : was it confirmed ?
[2016-08-27 13:24:38] rapidtrades : looks like it...ppl ask for it lots of times in chat but there's nothing from bitmex
[2016-08-27 13:25:02] rapidtrades : if they wanted to have a new one they would've chimed in the discussion
[2016-08-27 13:25:33] sleger : some people will take their business away
[2016-08-27 13:26:06] sleger : but given all recent changes (cap in size etc) it seems they are mostly targeting small size gamblers and no position takers algos etc, to feed the market maker
[2016-08-27 13:27:40] rapidtrades : without quantos there's no good option to short or hedge
[2016-08-27 13:28:12] rapidtrades : swap is unreliable and will trade a discount when we go down, so u end up paying fees
[2016-08-27 13:28:40] rapidtrades : so u have to constantly jump in and out...problem is there's not a lot of other options either
[2016-08-27 13:29:48] rapidtrades : at some point china will prolly squeeze out all USD exchanges, that's where the volume is
[2016-08-27 13:31:12] rapidtrades : what I'm saying is he should start to get used to trading in yuan not dollars
[2016-08-27 13:31:22] rapidtrades : we not he
[2016-08-27 13:40:45] Rado : thanks god for coffee :-)
[2016-08-27 13:40:50] Rado : enjoying it a lot
[2016-08-27 13:41:28] Rado : ETC chart
[2016-08-27 13:41:29] Rado : https://www.tradingview.com/chart/ETCBTC/bDjwwid9-ETC-downtrend-might-be-coming-to-an-end/
[2016-08-27 13:44:09] Rado : did you guys see decent decentralized network
[2016-08-27 13:44:19] Rado : they are doing an ICO next month
[2016-08-27 13:44:27] Rado : too many ICOs
[2016-08-27 13:44:31] rapidtrades : ico?
[2016-08-27 13:44:43] Rado : initial coin offering
[2016-08-27 13:44:50] rapidtrades : pffft
[2016-08-27 13:45:16] Rado : http://decent.ch/
[2016-08-27 14:01:15] rapidtrades : not a bad chart for a scalp
[2016-08-27 14:01:51] rapidtrades : btw did u guys read the email by bitfinex CEO?
[2016-08-27 14:02:07] BitMEX_Sam : Didn't say much.
[2016-08-27 14:02:38] rapidtrades : yeah bunch of patting themselves on the back
[2016-08-27 14:02:46] rapidtrades : im proud of my team...f ahole
[2016-08-27 14:03:13] rapidtrades : it starts with 'As you are probably aware' we were hacked etc
[2016-08-27 14:03:23] rapidtrades : first email they send to all about the hack
[2016-08-27 14:04:25] rapidtrades : that's another potential lawsuit right there
[2016-08-27 14:06:58] Rado : rapidtrades: I didn't get an email
[2016-08-27 14:07:06] Rado : let me check again
[2016-08-27 14:07:30] Rado : no email from Bitfinex
[2016-08-27 14:08:11] Rado : BitMEX_Sam: now is the time to add STEEM :-)
[2016-08-27 14:08:23] Rado : before it gets next wave of volatility
[2016-08-27 14:08:51] rapidtrades : yeah steem would be nice
[2016-08-27 14:09:03] Rado : I would not mind if BitMEX removes contracts that do not perform
[2016-08-27 14:09:17] Rado : I mean if a coin was added and tried it doesn't have to stay forever
[2016-08-27 14:09:23] rapidtrades : i would....coins move in cycles
[2016-08-27 14:09:36] rapidtrades : if we start removing when the vol is low, we will miss all the moves
[2016-08-27 14:09:39] Rado : yes, but there is a balance
[2016-08-27 14:09:44] rapidtrades : they made that nistake with LTC once
[2016-08-27 14:09:46] Rado : Polo has 100s of coins
[2016-08-27 14:10:04] Rado : they removed LTC?
[2016-08-27 14:10:25] rapidtrades : keeping a coin in the top 10 no matter what sounds a like good rule
[2016-08-27 14:10:32] rapidtrades : Rado: yeah right before it took off
[2016-08-27 14:10:34] Rado : top 10 by volume
[2016-08-27 14:10:36] Rado : lol
[2016-08-27 14:10:44] Rado : was just writing this when you said top 10
[2016-08-27 14:11:13] Rado : top 10 is a good measure if the coin should be listed in here
[2016-08-27 14:11:18] rapidtrades : yeah no reason to remove a top 10 coin :)
[2016-08-27 14:11:24] Rado : yep
[2016-08-27 14:12:13] Rado : current list
[2016-08-27 14:12:54] Rado : XMR, ETC, ETH, XCN, FCT, DASH, MAID, STEEM, AMP, LSK
[2016-08-27 14:13:57] Rado : I am running my bot on ETC right now
[2016-08-27 14:14:27] Rado : Current position: 1065.5591495 ETC @0.00252946 Unrealized P/L: -0.33% B&H Performance (P/L): -20.97% Bot Performance (P/L): 34.72%
[2016-08-27 14:16:38] Rado : going to get some screen off time
[2016-08-27 14:16:41] Rado : later dudes
[2016-08-27 14:17:11] justinlooking : taters
[2016-08-27 14:23:04] rapidtrades : 'cool runnings' never gets old man....they just don't make movies like these anymore
[2016-08-27 14:34:02] Hoble : BitMEX_Sam: Hi, any plans to do a perpetual contract on ETC?
[2016-08-27 14:34:41] BitMEX_Sam : Hoble: Possibly, but we are looking at ways to dampen the funding rate on alts to make illiquid alt swaps easier to trade. If we moved ETC to a swap, it wouldn't be until that time.
[2016-08-27 14:36:04] Hoble : Are limited duration contracts the way to do this or do you have something else in mind...more incentives for market makers?
[2016-08-27 14:37:38] Rado : I like the 7D contracts for alts much better than the swap
[2016-08-27 14:40:07] justinlooking : the xmr7d settlement was really fishy
[2016-08-27 14:45:03] BitMEX_Sam : We're looking at a volume-weighted dampening of funding rate so that illiquid contracts don't create such large rates just because the last price hovered above the index for a long time.
[2016-08-27 14:45:39] Rado : justinlooking: settlement doesn't affect me
[2016-08-27 14:45:49] Rado : why hold for settlement? I don't get it
[2016-08-27 14:46:14] Rado : you will pay the commission when the settlement happen anyway
[2016-08-27 14:46:20] Rado : so why not sell before that
[2016-08-27 14:46:49] sleger : BitMEX_Sam: volume weighted might not be enough : the main MM still can manipulate settlement because he has such large orders and these contracts are illiquid
[2016-08-27 14:47:04] sleger : the problem is mostly with the 8hrs window ,which doesnt do much
[2016-08-27 14:47:34] BitMEX_Sam : You mean, manipulate funding.
[2016-08-27 14:47:34] justinlooking : rado: not speaking for myself, but imagine there were people with short positions that were too big to close
[2016-08-27 14:47:44] BitMEX_Sam : But yes, I agree - it is a complex problem which is why we are taking our time with it & running simulations.
[2016-08-27 14:58:12] Rado : justinlooking: the same way you build a large position you can get out of it. Unless there was a big surge in volume when you got in and then the volume died, but that is always a risk.
[2016-08-27 14:58:15] sleger : BitMEX_Sam: yes minulation and / or inefficiencies
[2016-08-27 14:59:03] sleger : basically i found that my long ETH position had huge positive funding then negative although the market never really moved and that does not make it safe to trade here vs polo, so you have to fix that
[2016-08-27 14:59:34] sleger : i have ideas/solutions but until you havent paid for my loss i am not sharing any idea ;)
[2016-08-27 14:59:47] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 150 @ 570.85
[2016-08-27 14:59:51] Rado : sleger: the other day the funding rate for LSK was 1%. I did not get why that was
[2016-08-27 14:59:57] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 980 @ 570.47