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[2016-08-24 15:36:13] BitMEX_Greg : Bitfinex is doing a good job of spreading FUD around being sued
[2016-08-24 15:36:44] rapidtrades : yeah it's too diffused right now...we have few ppl here that are intrerested, few on reddit...then there's that guy with the shady website
[2016-08-24 15:36:52] rapidtrades : everyone is doing their own thing right now
[2016-08-24 15:37:13] BitMEX_Greg : I am sure a lot of users want to, but after their statements saying "hey guys, we actually have your interests as a priority thats why we opened without really understanding our attack vector, by the way here's a BFX token for your troubles"
[2016-08-24 15:37:43] BitMEX_Greg : I think people are scared given what happened with MtGox
[2016-08-24 15:38:13] rapidtrades : https://news.bitcoin.com/heres-bitfinex-not-like-mtgox/
[2016-08-24 15:39:51] rapidtrades : my opinion is everyone trying to get a piece fast cos they expect them to go bankrupt soon...waiting for that lawsuit could take months/years
[2016-08-24 15:40:18] Rado : shorting the BFX token might be a good bet here
[2016-08-24 15:40:40] rapidtrades : if they survive few more weeks u will see a more organized effort to join any lawsuits
[2016-08-24 15:41:08] BitMEX_Greg : interesting
[2016-08-24 15:42:13] rapidtrades : if u sold ur tokens and withdrawn everything, there is no reason not to join any lawsuits
[2016-08-24 15:44:04] Rado : rapidtrades: what is the difference by a person that lost money and holding BFX tokens and someone that did not lose anything but bought BFX tokens
[2016-08-24 15:44:12] Rado : Do they have the same rights holding the tokens
[2016-08-24 15:45:25] rapidtrades : tokens holders will prolly be at the back of the line in any liquidation
[2016-08-24 15:45:54] rapidtrades : just my opinion, not legal advice :)
[2016-08-24 15:46:35] Rado : usually in a bankruptcy john doe does not get anything
[2016-08-24 15:46:41] Rado : accountants make sure of that
[2016-08-24 15:46:53] BitMEX_Greg : Yeah that's an interesting question. As some people will have already sold their tokens and realised a loss of 20% on par
[2016-08-24 15:48:00] rapidtrades : i lost bit more then that due to having to buy BTC at premium
[2016-08-24 15:49:06] rapidtrades : the tokens are not a legal debt instrument and right now there's only the promise of shares
[2016-08-24 15:49:25] rapidtrades : so as things stand now, they may not even be counted as a claim
[2016-08-24 15:49:45] rapidtrades : again just imo, haven't consulted a lawyer
[2016-08-24 15:50:09] BitMEX_Greg : You should think strongly about the class action then
[2016-08-24 15:50:44] rapidtrades : yeah i've sent a few emails...let's see what i get back
[2016-08-24 15:51:30] BitMEX_Greg : Good luck
[2016-08-24 15:53:20] Rado : If I sell my BFX at 0.00078
[2016-08-24 15:53:31] Rado : My total loss will be only a bit over 3 BTC
[2016-08-24 15:59:52] REKT : Liquidated short on `XMR7D`: Buy 15 @ 0.007885
[2016-08-24 16:03:07] REKT : Liquidated short on `XMR7D`: Buy 71 @ 0.008023
[2016-08-24 16:30:33] macios15 : bitfinex token? what is that
[2016-08-24 16:40:57] BitMEX_Greg : macios15: https://www.bitfinex.com/bfx_token_terms
[2016-08-24 16:46:21] REKT : Liquidated long on `XMR7D`: Sell 3 @ 0.007695 :punch: :whale:
[2016-08-24 16:46:26] Rado : rapidtrades: I am out
[2016-08-24 16:46:37] Rado : sold at 0.00078
[2016-08-24 16:46:54] Rado : took my 3 BTC and running fast away from Bitfinex
[2016-08-24 17:33:33] rapidtrades : Rado: prolly for the best
[2016-08-24 17:33:57] rapidtrades : Rado: and u got out at a better price :)
[2016-08-24 20:47:03] justinlooking : sleger are u shorting the shit out of xbtusd again?
[2016-08-24 20:59:50] rapidtrades : justinlooking: he's not here atm
[2016-08-24 21:26:34] ayy_lmao : slow day for the trollbox
[2016-08-24 23:03:16] dh2 : test
[2016-08-24 23:04:10] BitMEX_Sam : Traders are asleep, it's still summer
[2016-08-24 23:04:51] dh2 : Hi Bitmex_Sam
[2016-08-24 23:05:52] dh2 : I had an issue Yesterday where I'
[2016-08-24 23:07:58] dh2 : lost my Bitmex login and also access to the account I had associated
[2016-08-24 23:08:48] dh2 : I requested support/suggestions and now I've finally relocated it
[2016-08-24 23:09:34] dh2 : I thought i'd let you know immediately so that nobody wasted any time on iy
[2016-08-24 23:10:35] dh2 : Lesson learned - use 2FA :)
[2016-08-24 23:10:51] BitMEX_Sam : dh2: Thanks. Strangely enough, I don't see any support ticket from you.
[2016-08-24 23:14:41] dh2 : Hi. I believe I had to use another email address as a I was locked out of mine. I was migrating from a Windows PC to an Apple PC - where some files 'corrupted' slightly. Now I'm back :)
[2016-08-24 23:19:07] REKT : Liquidated long on `LTCXBT`: Sell 1600 @ 0.00660
[2016-08-24 23:19:07] REKT : Liquidated long on `LTCXBT`: Sell 100 @ 0.00662
[2016-08-25 01:09:02] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 165 @ 575.58
[2016-08-25 01:09:02] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 35000 @ 575.46 **MEGA-REKT** :boom:
[2016-08-25 01:22:02] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC7D`: Sell 98 @ 0.002493
[2016-08-25 01:43:08] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 1110 @ 574.77
[2016-08-25 01:43:08] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 3333 @ 574.82
[2016-08-25 01:48:42] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 200 @ 574.48
[2016-08-25 01:48:48] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 1500 @ 574.36
[2016-08-25 01:48:48] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 6230 @ 574.19
[2016-08-25 01:48:48] REKT : Next stop - goblin town!
[2016-08-25 01:48:53] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 1000 @ 573.82
[2016-08-25 01:48:53] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 2 @ 573.79 :punch: :whale:
[2016-08-25 01:49:57] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 300 @ 573.50
[2016-08-25 01:50:17] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 1 @ 573.30 :punch: :whale:
[2016-08-25 01:50:51] REKT : Liquidated long on `LSKXBT`: Sell 1 @ 0.000448 :punch: :whale:
[2016-08-25 01:51:47] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 33331 @ 572.93 **MEGA-REKT** :boom:
[2016-08-25 01:53:32] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 150 @ 572.33
[2016-08-25 02:46:34] ayy_lmao : inb4 xmr rekt
[2016-08-25 02:47:07] ayy_lmao : lmao mm pulling orders again
[2016-08-25 03:44:53] willybot : all XMR buys pulled. well done MM
[2016-08-25 03:51:40] ayy_lmao : lmaooo
[2016-08-25 03:52:14] ayy_lmao : mm rekt
[2016-08-25 03:52:45] ayy_lmao : suprised no liquidations
[2016-08-25 03:54:03] willybot : ayy_lmao: they are coming. Traders are on the last leg. One more downwards push and it cascades
[2016-08-25 03:55:28] zanza : willybot, when are you shutting down this site?
[2016-08-25 03:57:00] willybot : zanza: when its profitable
[2016-08-25 04:02:38] REKT : Liquidated short on `XMR7D`: Buy 28 @ 0.007158
[2016-08-25 04:18:58] zanza : ok
[2016-08-25 05:29:31] zanza : ETC breaking down technically
[2016-08-25 05:49:20] aethlios : bitmex any plans to turn xmr, etc tp swap??
[2016-08-25 06:02:59] BitMEX_Wally : Yes if it trades well
[2016-08-25 06:09:20] Tetsuo : i´m sure ETC will trade well untll it hits 0$ in a few weeks when the network gets shut down
[2016-08-25 06:44:06] rapidtrades : good morning
[2016-08-25 06:47:02] REKT : Liquidated short on `XMR7D`: Buy 10 @ 0.007520
[2016-08-25 06:47:02] REKT : Liquidated short on `XMR7D`: Buy 72 @ 0.007493
[2016-08-25 06:54:52] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC7D`: Sell 1456 @ 0.002389
[2016-08-25 08:47:21] REKT : Liquidated long on `XMR7D`: Sell 43 @ 0.006943
[2016-08-25 08:55:56] Tetsuo : Rise & shine ETH
[2016-08-25 11:09:28] BitMEX_Wally : :)
[2016-08-25 11:14:58] rapidtrades : BitMEX_Wally: hey so in my trade history...where it says fee rate and fee paid....if these are negative does it mean i got paid?
[2016-08-25 11:15:14] BitMEX_Wally : rapidtrades: Yes that's correct
[2016-08-25 11:15:22] rapidtrades : ok cool
[2016-08-25 11:43:52] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC7D`: Sell 5770 @ 0.002331
[2016-08-25 11:45:02] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC7D`: Sell 7500 @ 0.002317
[2016-08-25 12:35:58] rapidtrades : why is monero getting the spotlight and not dash?
[2016-08-25 12:36:08] rapidtrades : they're both anoncoins?
[2016-08-25 12:36:39] Boontjie : rapidtrades: darknet uses monero
[2016-08-25 12:37:08] rapidtrades : source?
[2016-08-25 12:37:28] Boontjie : http://themerkle.com/monero-xmr-on-the-rise-following-its-inclusion-in-the-darknet-market-alphabay/
[2016-08-25 12:43:37] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC7D`: Sell 10 @ 0.002279
[2016-08-25 13:07:22] willybot : sitting in usd. Next ship leaves the station tuesday
[2016-08-25 14:03:32] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC7D`: Sell 140 @ 0.002254
[2016-08-25 14:18:44] Kalman : BitMEX_Wally: Hi, the value column in the trade history shows only 4 digits. Do you calculate internally with more, e.g. 8 ?
[2016-08-25 14:22:01] BitMEX_Sam : Kalman: Yes, all calculations are in Satoshis. You can change which currency you display by clicking your username dropdown in the top right.
[2016-08-25 14:23:01] Kalman : great, thx!
[2016-08-25 14:51:22] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETC7D`: Buy 30 @ 0.002368
[2016-08-25 14:55:17] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETC7D`: Buy 291 @ 0.002417
[2016-08-25 14:56:07] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETC7D`: Buy 3300 @ 0.002427
[2016-08-25 15:32:34] Rado : sup punks
[2016-08-25 15:47:55] CaptainDean : Hey Rado
[2016-08-25 15:52:04] Rado : CaptainDean: hey
[2016-08-25 17:29:37] REKT : Liquidated long on `LTCXBT`: Sell 30 @ 0.00657
[2016-08-25 17:54:07] REKT : Liquidated long on `LTCXBT`: Sell 2400 @ 0.00653
[2016-08-25 18:28:01] CaptainDean : 3$ premium price, long time no see
[2016-08-25 18:36:28] Rado : doing my first trade on XMR
[2016-08-25 18:36:56] Rado : very quite in here
[2016-08-25 18:38:59] Rado : my liq price on XMR is 0.001624
[2016-08-25 18:39:08] Rado : I guess I could have done a bigger position
[2016-08-25 18:39:17] Rado : why am I talking to myself
[2016-08-25 18:39:21] Rado : :-)
[2016-08-25 18:47:52] BitMEX_Greg : Rado: What are your thoughts about XMR?
[2016-08-25 18:48:21] Rado : right now I just entered a long from 0.0062
[2016-08-25 18:48:41] Rado : a secondary rally which will be much weaker
[2016-08-25 18:48:58] Rado : will get out anywhere over 0.0072
[2016-08-25 18:49:17] Rado : it could go higher, but I am not going to stick with it
[2016-08-25 18:49:26] Rado : I know nothing about XMR
[2016-08-25 18:49:43] Rado : just technically it was good for a trade
[2016-08-25 18:49:55] ayy_lmao : where did u long
[2016-08-25 18:50:05] ayy_lmao : polo or here
[2016-08-25 18:50:15] Rado : here of course
[2016-08-25 18:50:34] Rado : who trades on normal exchanges when you have BitMEX ;-)
[2016-08-25 18:50:41] ayy_lmao : how were you able to long at 62, chart on here only shows 65 low
[2016-08-25 18:50:51] Rado : oh
[2016-08-25 18:50:53] Rado : sorry
[2016-08-25 18:50:59] Rado : long is at 0.00662
[2016-08-25 18:51:04] ayy_lmao : oh makes sense
[2016-08-25 18:51:11] Rado : my mistake
[2016-08-25 18:51:45] Rado : I guess lowest trades were 0.00645
[2016-08-25 18:53:24] Rado : there is always a chance the bounce is already done and it will continue down
[2016-08-25 20:37:33] justinlooking : trolls are kill
[2016-08-25 20:38:35] justinlooking : where is rapricktrades
[2016-08-25 20:38:52] rapidtrades : :)
[2016-08-25 20:39:01] justinlooking : hello geez
[2016-08-25 20:40:32] rapidtrades : Rado: waiting for a break of the highs
[2016-08-25 20:43:15] Rado : rapidtrades: on what rapidtrades?
[2016-08-25 20:43:32] rapidtrades : xmr
[2016-08-25 20:43:41] Rado : I have my sell order ;-)
[2016-08-25 20:44:34] rapidtrades : only 33% away :)
[2016-08-25 20:45:10] Rado : I am selling way bellow what I think a possible target is
[2016-08-25 20:45:20] Rado : I think it's going to 0.0075
[2016-08-25 20:45:27] Rado : but selling at 0.007299
[2016-08-25 20:45:35] Rado : filled :-)
[2016-08-25 20:45:42] rapidtrades : ahahaha nice one
[2016-08-25 20:45:58] Rado : MM seem to have dropped
[2016-08-25 20:46:23] Rado : he is back
[2016-08-25 20:46:30] rapidtrades : kind of
[2016-08-25 20:46:53] rapidtrades : i think that trade was too quick and easy....likely rally not over :)
[2016-08-25 20:47:07] Rado : yes
[2016-08-25 20:47:20] Rado : but I am not in the business of catching tops or bottoms
[2016-08-25 20:47:22] Rado : :-)
[2016-08-25 20:47:41] rapidtrades : why 0.0075?
[2016-08-25 20:48:36] rapidtrades : btw does anyone know what was monero's market cap prior to this rally? where was it in the top
[2016-08-25 20:48:37] Rado : it had 3-4 touch points there before
[2016-08-25 20:48:43] Rado : see this chart I created
[2016-08-25 20:48:44] Rado : https://www.tradingview.com/chart/XMRBTC/50ENMt7W-XMR-bounce-in-progress/
[2016-08-25 20:51:38] rapidtrades : i see ur point
[2016-08-25 20:56:55] rapidtrades : man bitcoin really can't stay above that 10b market cap
[2016-08-25 20:57:15] rapidtrades : when was the last time we were there? right before gox went under?
[2016-08-25 20:57:55] rapidtrades : then in june and now we're dead
[2016-08-25 20:58:03] rapidtrades : daily chart looks ugly as sin
[2016-08-25 20:58:45] Rado : rapidtrades: once it starts going it will be epic
[2016-08-25 20:58:46] Rado : imo
[2016-08-25 20:59:04] Rado : it needs a trigger
[2016-08-25 20:59:13] Rado : like FED doing something stupid
[2016-08-25 20:59:24] Rado : or DB going ch11
[2016-08-25 20:59:38] Rado : bond bubble finally bursting
[2016-08-25 20:59:45] Rado : a lot of things can trigger it
[2016-08-25 20:59:51] Rado : I think it's not far away
[2016-08-25 20:59:55] Rado : maybe this October
[2016-08-25 21:02:16] rapidtrades : i doubt any of the things u said will have a lasting impact
[2016-08-25 21:05:22] rapidtrades : im going through the top coins and aside from btc/usd polo leads them all
[2016-08-25 21:05:46] rapidtrades : guess i should make an account
[2016-08-25 21:06:15] rapidtrades : what's the leverage? 3/1?
[2016-08-25 21:11:01] rapidtrades : why are they desisting DSH? isn't that dash?
[2016-08-25 21:24:06] Rado : 2.5 x 1
[2016-08-25 21:24:14] Rado : no
[2016-08-25 21:24:30] Rado : Dash is DASH
[2016-08-25 21:24:51] rapidtrades : what is dsh then
[2016-08-25 21:25:21] rapidtrades : cos on btc-e i see DSHBTC and it says DASH
[2016-08-25 21:25:28] rapidtrades : when u hover over it
[2016-08-25 21:26:06] Rado : I don't see DSH
[2016-08-25 21:26:28] Rado : going out
[2016-08-25 21:26:32] rapidtrades : WHAT
[2016-08-25 21:26:33] Rado : tty later
[2016-08-25 21:26:38] rapidtrades : NO
[2016-08-25 21:27:24] rapidtrades : https://btc-e.com/exchange/dsh_btc
[2016-08-25 21:32:40] rapidtrades : i don;t get it....what's the DSH that polo will be delisting
[2016-08-25 21:35:19] habibi : rapidtrades: dummie http://lmgtfy.com/?q=DSH+bitcointalk
[2016-08-25 21:35:42] rapidtrades : habibi: IT'S DUMMY DUMBO
[2016-08-25 21:36:01] habibi : dummie suits u better :)
[2016-08-25 21:42:37] rapidtrades : habibi: i see now why sleger doesn't like u
[2016-08-25 21:44:29] habibi : brilliant argument :) i guess u care a lot about what sleger thinks about u, but u are the only one who cares
[2016-08-25 23:18:21] HackedOnBFX : Why can't I connect with the MM bot?
[2016-08-25 23:18:25] HackedOnBFX : Is it down?
[2016-08-25 23:24:48] BitMEX_Sam : I assume you self-hosted it, so that's probably a question best answered by you
[2016-08-25 23:31:07] tb : is there a way to roll the bfx token through expiry?
[2016-08-25 23:31:32] tb : I don't want to have to open a new position and pay the spread again
[2016-08-25 23:34:37] BitMEX_Greg : tb: We don't have a roll contract unfortunately. You can try asking trader's here who may be on the opposite side to trade with you in the market
[2016-08-25 23:42:55] tb : even something like an opening auction for the new contract with prices quoted +/- index or nav would be good too
[2016-08-25 23:44:37] ayy_lmao : the would have spread too?
[2016-08-25 23:49:08] ayy_lmao : that
[2016-08-25 23:49:20] tb : no
[2016-08-25 23:49:47] tb : it's an auction, so everyone bids in price below/above settlement/open
[2016-08-25 23:50:09] tb : the book can be crossed
[2016-08-25 23:50:21] ayy_lmao : lol
[2016-08-25 23:50:25] ayy_lmao : insta liquidations
[2016-08-25 23:51:08] tb : no
[2016-08-25 23:51:41] tb : because it'll most likely trade very close to the old contract's settlement price/new contract's opening price
[2016-08-25 23:53:58] tb : @BitMEX_Greg is this something you guys can add at some point?
[2016-08-25 23:54:53] tb : like if i were to marketmake i would need a way to hedge rebalance charm
[2016-08-25 23:55:16] tb : err settlement
[2016-08-25 23:56:11] BitMEX_Greg : tb: Unlikely we will add a roll contract for the BFX contract. We may look at changing it over to the perpetual swap style later if it still exists and trades well
[2016-08-26 00:02:26] HackedOnBFX : BitMEX_Sam: i meant, is something on the site down
[2016-08-26 00:13:10] BitMEX_Greg : HackedOnBFX: I don't see any outages on our end.
[2016-08-26 00:59:07] Rado : tb: fees are so small
[2016-08-26 00:59:21] Rado : you even get paid if you put a limit order
[2016-08-26 00:59:51] Rado : sell in the middle between bid and ask
[2016-08-26 01:11:42] Rado : XMR target hit now
[2016-08-26 01:28:01] Rado : STEEM looks oversold and should also get a bounce
[2016-08-26 01:28:47] Rado : Some positive divergences
[2016-08-26 02:23:25] Rado : ETH in stealth rally
[2016-08-26 02:42:51] REKT : Liquidated short on `XMR7D`: Buy 65 @ 0.007652
[2016-08-26 05:01:52] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 9 @ 0.01960
[2016-08-26 05:02:18] BitMEX_Wally : `BFXU16` has been listed: https://www.bitmex.com/app/trade/BFXU16
[2016-08-26 05:24:44] rapidtrades : BitMEX_Wally: mark on sept is way above bi/asks
[2016-08-26 05:25:01] micmix : BitMEX_Wally: very nice! have you made any decision about XBTZ16 or other long-term quantos?
[2016-08-26 06:15:40] rapidtrades : yeah we want a new quanto
[2016-08-26 06:18:37] Kalman : BitMEX_Wally: Do you also disconnect trading bots after 24 h?
[2016-08-26 06:18:49] Kalman : BitMEX_Wally: Hi
[2016-08-26 07:22:12] martyix : Can anyone explain to me results of https://testnet.bitmex.com/api/v1/user/wallet?currency=XBt ?
[2016-08-26 07:22:18] martyix : What exactly is the value "amount"? What is "deltaAmount"?
[2016-08-26 07:29:56] BitMEX_Wally : martyix: `amount` is the net total of all wallet transactions (not including pending rebalances)
[2016-08-26 07:30:12] BitMEX_Wally : `walletBalance = (amount - pendingDebit) + realisedPnl`
[2016-08-26 07:30:54] martyix : thank you!
[2016-08-26 07:31:45] BitMEX_Wally : Kalman: We don't disconnect trading bots, but access tokens expire after 24 hours, so I recommend you request an API key
[2016-08-26 07:34:42] Kalman : BitMEX_Wally: Done so. How can one refresh the access token while beeing connected?
[2016-08-26 07:35:22] BitMEX_Wally : https://www.bitmex.com/app/restAPI#authentication
[2016-08-26 07:35:31] BitMEX_Wally : `Access tokens are valid for 24hrs. After that time, you must request another. Simply POST to /user/login`
[2016-08-26 07:37:03] Kalman : BitMEX_Wally: Sorry beeing imprecise, the script is connected via API key, this access token doesnt expire?
[2016-08-26 07:37:33] BitMEX_Wally : access tokens are different from API keys
[2016-08-26 07:38:29] BitMEX_Wally : API keys do not expire, but each message has to be signed with the secret
[2016-08-26 07:38:32] BitMEX_Wally : https://www.bitmex.com/app/apiKeysUsage
[2016-08-26 07:41:38] BitMEX_Wally : If you have a WebSocket connection then occasionally the connection maybe dropped when we roll updates to the servers, but you can always reconnect
[2016-08-26 07:42:34] Kalman : BitMEX_Wally: did you last night have an updated etc. ?
[2016-08-26 07:43:54] BitMEX_Wally : There was a restart at Aug 25 19:43:28 UTC
[2016-08-26 07:48:45] Kalman : BitMEX_Wally: my local time was 22:17 ... so it should be this morning HK time
[2016-08-26 07:57:29] Kalman : BitMEX_Wally: anyway, will get around this. Thx
[2016-08-26 08:37:05] billyboy402 : BitMEX_Wally: hey mate , when the XBTU16 finish does it get settle on the index price or the mark price ?
[2016-08-26 08:38:59] rapidtrades : index
[2016-08-26 11:50:17] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETC7D`: Buy 5200 @ 0.002449
[2016-08-26 11:51:38] subjective : BitMEX_Wally: why is mark price of ETC lower than polo it is 0.00253 already
[2016-08-26 11:52:17] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETC7D`: Buy 1100 @ 0.002455
[2016-08-26 11:53:42] sleger : subjective: TWAP ?
[2016-08-26 11:55:13] subjective : Ok
[2016-08-26 12:01:22] subjective : That is a pretty big diff on the settlement price, sign...
[2016-08-26 12:01:39] sleger : yes the calculation is clearly bugged
[2016-08-26 12:02:33] subjective : 0.002479 vs 0.00257 big diff there
[2016-08-26 12:03:14] BitMEX_Wally : The mark price is based off the indicative settlement price which is the cumulative 30 minute TWAP before settlement
[2016-08-26 12:03:47] subjective : Was that a settlement pump, because Bitmex is the only place to leaverage ETC at the moment
[2016-08-26 12:04:37] BitMEX_Wally : Open interest here was only 150 Bitcoin so unlikely
[2016-08-26 12:11:22] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 60 @ 0.01944
[2016-08-26 12:43:31] rapidtrades : sleger: still holding them tokens?
[2016-08-26 12:43:47] sleger : BitMEX_Wally: you should make the twap for weekly more than 30 min
[2016-08-26 12:44:04] sleger : rapidtrades: yes, not touching those
[2016-08-26 12:53:19] rapidtrades : sleger: they're only good if u want to bargain....has bitfinex been receptive?
[2016-08-26 12:54:46] sleger : not much, i think they are trying to save time to delay anything else and to try and raise money
[2016-08-26 12:55:25] sleger : if they succeed and reimburse customer losses with it, that's work with me, and im sure there are lot of people stupid enough to invest in that business
[2016-08-26 12:57:16] rapidtrades : i don't see how they can stay in business...there are so many potential avenues for suing
[2016-08-26 12:58:19] rapidtrades : not just on individual but on regulatory level as well
[2016-08-26 12:58:32] rapidtrades : they're bound to get slapped hard by the CFTC for example
[2016-08-26 13:00:57] sleger : these usually only put fines that can be absorbed by the business revenues
[2016-08-26 13:04:48] rapidtrades : i wouldn't be so sure in this case
[2016-08-26 13:05:01] rapidtrades : if this was in america, they would shut them down for sure
[2016-08-26 13:41:45] Rado : damn I missed the short on XMR
[2016-08-26 13:43:24] Rado : went all the way to 0.08
[2016-08-26 13:49:46] Rado : I think FCT might go down to test 0.0035 - 0.004 area
[2016-08-26 13:49:51] Rado : should be a nice short here
[2016-08-26 14:13:41] Rado : hard to trade FCT here now as there is no volume
[2016-08-26 14:13:57] Rado : I guess only works once the underling starts moving
[2016-08-26 14:20:28] Rado : actually this alt coins are really easy to trade on 15 min chart
[2016-08-26 14:21:07] Rado : they seem to follow the TA patterns
[2016-08-26 14:21:36] Rado : crypto space still not manipulated like wall street I guess
[2016-08-26 14:21:55] Rado : 411 users in here?
[2016-08-26 14:22:19] Rado : not a soul posting
[2016-08-26 14:23:04] muirtastic : So was BFX delisted on here? I don't see any bids or asks
[2016-08-26 14:24:06] arbitrage001 : sleger: any reason why investing in bitfinex is stupid? token holder better off holding it till they redeem at 1 dollar?
[2016-08-26 14:24:24] muirtastic : why do you think they will ever redeem at $1?
[2016-08-26 14:24:29] muirtastic : They need $72 million to do that
[2016-08-26 14:24:53] sleger : their plan is to raise money on the bnk platform and repay their debts
[2016-08-26 14:25:14] Rado : muirtastic: it's the new contract
[2016-08-26 14:25:28] sleger : if they succeed it will be good for customers, but i doubt it will be good for people investing in that
[2016-08-26 14:25:30] muirtastic : unlikely they will raise $72 million or anywhere remotely close to that.
[2016-08-26 14:25:48] muirtastic : There's still a good chance some lawsuits will take them out but time will tell
[2016-08-26 14:25:51] arbitrage001 : sleger: pretty much depend on valuation, isnt it?
[2016-08-26 14:26:17] Rado : arbitrage001: exactly, what is the current valuation
[2016-08-26 14:26:34] Rado : are there any revenue figures out there?
[2016-08-26 14:26:36] Rado : let me check
[2016-08-26 14:26:38] arbitrage001 : Rado: no one know how much busness will drop due to the hack
[2016-08-26 14:26:57] Rado : lets say we use valuation based on revenues prior to the hack
[2016-08-26 14:27:05] Rado : for investment purpose
[2016-08-26 14:27:11] muirtastic : I think at their old revenue figures, it was estimated that would take 7 years and that would be committing all their profits to repaying
[2016-08-26 14:27:14] arbitrage001 : pe of 10 or less would be nice
[2016-08-26 14:27:31] Rado : 10?
[2016-08-26 14:27:38] muirtastic : oh well I lost a good bit shorting BFX last contract but going to do it again
[2016-08-26 14:27:47] Rado : for any new space like crypto PE will be way higher
[2016-08-26 14:27:59] arbitrage001 : then i will not invest
[2016-08-26 14:28:09] arbitrage001 : rather hold coin and redeem at 1
[2016-08-26 14:28:13] Rado : arbitrage001: that's your choice
[2016-08-26 14:28:20] arbitrage001 : assuming they can repay in 1-2 years
[2016-08-26 14:28:53] arbitrage001 : Rado: dont forget the debt market can become irrational
[2016-08-26 14:29:23] arbitrage001 : people might bid all the way up to 90 cents if they think pe is reasonable
[2016-08-26 14:29:30] arbitrage001 : or close to par
[2016-08-26 14:29:48] muirtastic : Yes and the alt coin market is irrational too and people could treat it like an alt
[2016-08-26 14:30:23] Rado : Bitfinex: Arthur Hayes estimates $3.42 million 6 months revenue
[2016-08-26 14:30:26] Rado : he he
[2016-08-26 14:30:34] Rado : Arthur did some calculations
[2016-08-26 14:30:53] Rado : so if we say 7 mill revenue per year and 10x sales valuation
[2016-08-26 14:30:53] muirtastic : so 7 million a year revenue..that is not all profit of course.
[2016-08-26 14:30:59] Rado : the whole company is worth 70 mill
[2016-08-26 14:31:15] Rado : so if someone invests 70 mill they should own 100%
[2016-08-26 14:31:17] Rado : lol
[2016-08-26 14:31:23] muirtastic : I sure would not invest in Bitfinex with the current management in place
[2016-08-26 14:31:42] arbitrage001 : Rado: existing shareholders all get wiped out?
[2016-08-26 14:31:54] muirtastic : They have proven themselves incompetent and guilty of criminal negligence and some of them have shady past history as well.
[2016-08-26 14:32:13] arbitrage001 : muirtastic: everyone in crypto space are shady
[2016-08-26 14:32:18] muirtastic : seems like existing shareholders will get their shares diiluted incredible.
[2016-08-26 14:32:28] muirtastic : arbitrage001: not everyone but quite a few, it seems.
[2016-08-26 14:33:55] Rado : muirtastic: exactly, at least 100% dilution
[2016-08-26 14:34:16] BitMEX_Sam : I believe that's why they're going with bnktothefuture
[2016-08-26 14:34:16] Rado : however if I am the CEO I would like 50% better than 0
[2016-08-26 14:34:40] ayy_lmao : polo closed at below 72 but bitmex settled at 75? lmao
[2016-08-26 14:34:44] ayy_lmao : XMR
[2016-08-26 14:35:11] Rado : ayy_lmao: closed at 72?
[2016-08-26 14:35:18] Rado : what time are you looking at?
[2016-08-26 14:35:51] ayy_lmao : my bad 73
[2016-08-26 14:35:54] ayy_lmao : lol
[2016-08-26 14:36:21] Rado : that's why I don't stay in for settelment
[2016-08-26 14:36:43] Rado : why would you do that when you can sell limit and get paid?
[2016-08-26 14:36:55] arbitrage001 : BitMEX_Sam: why they going with bankofthe future?
[2016-08-26 14:36:57] Rado : instead of paying and not knowing what price you will get
[2016-08-26 14:37:32] rapidtrades : arbitrage001: cos it's a shady fundraising platform for shady companies
[2016-08-26 14:38:18] arbitrage001 : rapidtrades: shady in what way
[2016-08-26 14:38:23] arbitrage001 : this is the first time i heard the bank
[2016-08-26 14:38:39] rapidtrades : it's not a bank
[2016-08-26 14:38:56] rapidtrades : forex is such bullshit
[2016-08-26 14:51:51] Rado : rapidtrades: are you trading USDJPY on the FED?
[2016-08-26 15:15:32] messiaen8844 : BTC-e Leader for USD volume now
[2016-08-26 15:15:45] messiaen8844 : Kraken/GDAX also ahead of bitfinex
[2016-08-26 15:17:26] Rado : that's to be expected
[2016-08-26 15:18:00] Rado : BTCE were smart to do a promotion during Bitfinex hack
[2016-08-26 15:19:15] messiaen8844 : fee promotion?
[2016-08-26 15:28:00] Rado : yes
[2016-08-26 15:28:13] Rado : they had a promotion for commission free trades
[2016-08-26 15:28:18] Rado : until end of August I think
[2016-08-26 15:28:38] Rado : we need to see if the volume will stay at the same levels after promotion ends
[2016-08-26 15:38:29] messiaen8844 : btc-e interface looks like 90's internet ;D
[2016-08-26 15:39:57] messiaen8844 : Best UI I have seen so far in the space is bitmex, really nice
[2016-08-26 15:41:29] BitMEX_Sam : :+1: Glad you like it
[2016-08-26 15:41:49] Rado : agreed
[2016-08-26 15:41:56] Rado : I have accounts with 5 exchanges
[2016-08-26 15:49:57] messiaen8844 : was looking at augur.net and their UI
[2016-08-26 15:49:59] messiaen8844 : oh god
[2016-08-26 15:50:11] messiaen8844 : they should hire Sam :D
[2016-08-26 16:45:22] HackedOnBFX : Hi, I get an error on the market making bot that says "unable to find settings-ETC7D.py" when I try to run it with ETC7D instead of XBTUSD
[2016-08-26 16:45:32] HackedOnBFX : Any clue on what that is?
[2016-08-26 16:52:54] nip : while you're at it can you make my c# bot work with websockets?
[2016-08-26 17:01:50] Rado : HackedOnBFX: looks like each pair is expecting a settings file
[2016-08-26 17:02:03] Rado : copy the one you have for xbtusd and create one for etc
[2016-08-26 17:02:12] Rado : you might need to change settings inside
[2016-08-26 17:27:13] justinlooking : ayy_lmao: XMR twap rekt
[2016-08-26 17:29:55] justinlooking : HackedOnBFX: u figure it out from Rados msg?
[2016-08-26 17:52:33] HackedOnBFX : justinlooking: @Rado It says handshake status 401
[2016-08-26 18:13:50] rapidtrades : Rado: forex rekt
[2016-08-26 18:17:42] justinlooking : HackedOnBFX: sounds like u messed up ur api keys
[2016-08-26 19:00:20] Rado : rapidtrades: what happened?
[2016-08-26 19:00:32] Rado : did you get whipsawed
[2016-08-26 19:55:00] rapidtrades : Rado: not really but every trade I had on reversed
[2016-08-26 19:56:14] Rado : :(
[2016-08-26 20:00:35] rapidtrades : also i've been running few short-term systems on the euro and i've been getting clobbered this year with the lowering volatility
[2016-08-26 20:02:35] asdfman : 1XBT @25x must be a no prossible type betting: perpetual LTC untill parity with BTC. one in a trillion
[2016-08-26 20:02:59] asdfman : would be fun though
[2016-08-26 20:03:53] asdfman : I think I would not do so much more like this after that. :P
[2016-08-26 20:04:01] rapidtrades : looks like monero lost the momentum
[2016-08-26 20:04:30] Kalman : time to short
[2016-08-26 20:05:20] Rado : shorting alt coins is always a winning bet
[2016-08-26 20:05:30] Rado : just don't do it while there is a momentum
[2016-08-26 20:05:34] Rado : after that it's easy
[2016-08-26 20:06:15] Rado : I intended to short XMR over 0.008, but missed it
[2016-08-26 20:07:58] rapidtrades : still too high for my taste
[2016-08-26 20:08:19] rapidtrades : waiting for it to roll over...it break the highs
[2016-08-26 20:13:29] Rado : rapidtrades: confused me
[2016-08-26 20:13:41] Rado : you want long or short?
[2016-08-26 20:14:10] sleger : i'd say he wants to short
[2016-08-26 20:14:58] rapidtrades : i'll prolly long it if it breaks the highs
[2016-08-26 20:15:02] justinlooking : haha
[2016-08-26 20:15:05] rapidtrades : for short....idk it's tricky
[2016-08-26 20:15:32] rapidtrades : i trade on daily charts so i will need more time...more daily candles
[2016-08-26 20:17:01] Rado : got it
[2016-08-26 20:17:09] Rado : on daily still bulish
[2016-08-26 20:27:38] Rado : it's kind of boring right now
[2016-08-26 20:27:46] Rado : BTC and ALTs not moving
[2016-08-26 20:27:59] Rado : when I am busy all kinds of movements happen, but not now
[2016-08-26 20:28:06] Rado : gods don't want me to trade
[2016-08-26 20:28:18] rapidtrades : yeah BTC prolly waiting for bitfinex situation to resolve
[2016-08-26 20:28:35] Rado : nah
[2016-08-26 20:28:42] Rado : BTC is way past Bitfinex
[2016-08-26 20:28:52] Rado : waiting for monetary policy to fuck up
[2016-08-26 20:29:31] Rado : FED says it will raise rate all the time, but they will not
[2016-08-26 20:29:43] Rado : some kind of hyper inflation is coming
[2016-08-26 20:31:00] rapidtrades : i wouldn't count on it
[2016-08-26 20:33:36] Rado : of course
[2016-08-26 20:33:57] Rado : we don't know what exactly the powers to be have in store
[2016-08-26 20:34:24] Rado : The Economist said in 1988 that in 2018 new global currency will be created
[2016-08-26 20:34:30] Rado : that is not by chance
[2016-08-26 20:34:33] Rado : it was planed
[2016-08-26 20:35:12] Rado : https://socioecohistory.wordpress.com/2014/07/26/flashback-1988-get-ready-for-a-world-currency-by-2018%E2%80%B3-the-economist-magazine/
[2016-08-26 20:44:57] justinlooking : rothscoin
[2016-08-26 20:49:10] zanza : lol
[2016-08-27 05:10:44] Alignment : guys how do i increase my liq price
[2016-08-27 05:11:06] Alignment : ive a short going on and realized my liq price wasnt that high so i deposited more btc but it didnt increase it
[2016-08-27 05:20:37] lockhedge : Alignment: you can choose "Cross margin" to use the whole account balance as collateral or you can adjust isolated margin manually https://www.bitmex.com/app/isolatedMargin
[2016-08-27 05:26:37] Alignment : where do i enable it?
[2016-08-27 05:27:52] Alignment : found it
[2016-08-27 05:27:59] Alignment : thx lockhedge you are amazing
[2016-08-27 05:28:09] Alignment : so easy
[2016-08-27 12:34:29] investor : XMR pump incoming on POLO
[2016-08-27 12:36:33] Rado : investor: I don't see such thing
[2016-08-27 12:38:45] Rado : might be ETC's turn to get a nice bounce
[2016-08-27 12:50:54] rapidtrades : aloha
[2016-08-27 12:51:15] rapidtrades : mah jews
[2016-08-27 12:59:26] sleger : freaking flight canceled damn !
[2016-08-27 13:03:34] arbitrage001 : ask for free hotel room from airline
[2016-08-27 13:05:21] rapidtrades : sleger: i usually miss flights, never had one cancelled yet
[2016-08-27 13:05:54] sleger : they rebooked me on one 3hrs later
[2016-08-27 13:05:59] rapidtrades : where are u going anyway
[2016-08-27 13:06:03] sleger : at least they have billecart-salmon champagne in the lounge
[2016-08-27 13:06:34] rapidtrades : sounds fancy :)
[2016-08-27 13:06:35] sleger : nyc for 10 days
[2016-08-27 13:06:56] rapidtrades : cool
[2016-08-27 13:07:00] sleger : yes its pretty good, one of the bests for <100 euros a bottle
[2016-08-27 13:09:04] sleger : veuve for <50$, then bollinger/billecart for 50-100$ then dom for 150 then krug for 180$ are the bests of the non-vintage champs
[2016-08-27 13:09:18] rapidtrades : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQiM2SEuqPY
[2016-08-27 13:11:38] rapidtrades : Putin was NOT amused
[2016-08-27 13:13:15] sleger : some american dude just poured orange juice in his 80$ champ, I want to punch him
[2016-08-27 13:14:11] Rado : lol
[2016-08-27 13:14:36] Rado : sleger: I feel like this most of the time about north american culture
[2016-08-27 13:14:58] sleger : waste proseco, fine, but good champ ....
[2016-08-27 13:14:58] Rado : got used to many things after 20 years, but still some things piss me off
[2016-08-27 13:16:01] Rado : my brother-in-law is coming to visit me and they missed their flight at Dallas
[2016-08-27 13:16:05] Rado : had to spend the night
[2016-08-27 13:16:28] Rado : this morning catching another flight
[2016-08-27 13:16:36] Rado : a lot of delays looks like
[2016-08-27 13:16:48] sleger : sleeping in a hotel airport, I'd never do that
[2016-08-27 13:17:05] Rado : there were no other flights to catch
[2016-08-27 13:17:09] sleger : in Dallas it's not too far from town (25 min drive if I remember well)
[2016-08-27 13:17:23] Rado : I think they are 10 min from teh airport
[2016-08-27 13:17:37] sleger : they have really good food there so you can go, have a nice dinner, bar....
[2016-08-27 13:19:12] Rado : man BTC and ETH will put me to sleep
[2016-08-27 13:19:29] sleger : i am long both, but long term
[2016-08-27 13:19:55] Rado : I have some Sept contracts on XBTUSD
[2016-08-27 13:20:04] Rado : out of ETH at the moment
[2016-08-27 13:20:12] sleger : same, if volatility picks up it will be a killer
[2016-08-27 13:20:24] sleger : otherwise small loss
[2016-08-27 13:20:24] Rado : going to make some coffee
[2016-08-27 13:20:32] Rado : right
[2016-08-27 13:20:38] rapidtrades : not rly, it's only 25 days...premium will be capped @sleger
[2016-08-27 13:20:53] Rado : rapidtrades: depends on the move
[2016-08-27 13:21:04] sleger : this lounge is probably the best i've seen, small but really nice and good food, wine/champ, in the smallest paris airport, Orly
[2016-08-27 13:21:08] Rado : I think we might be out of luck as the move might happen in October
[2016-08-27 13:21:33] sleger : rapidtrades: yes but I bought it a while ago, unfortunately it didnt pay off yet, but it doesnt always work
[2016-08-27 13:22:12] sleger : i'm fine with taking small provisioned losses from time to time
[2016-08-27 13:22:16] rapidtrades : i don't usually buy quantos cos most of my starts are long vol anyway
[2016-08-27 13:22:34] rapidtrades : it's a shame there won't be a new one
[2016-08-27 13:23:15] sleger : was it confirmed ?
[2016-08-27 13:24:38] rapidtrades : looks like it...ppl ask for it lots of times in chat but there's nothing from bitmex
[2016-08-27 13:25:02] rapidtrades : if they wanted to have a new one they would've chimed in the discussion
[2016-08-27 13:25:33] sleger : some people will take their business away
[2016-08-27 13:26:06] sleger : but given all recent changes (cap in size etc) it seems they are mostly targeting small size gamblers and no position takers algos etc, to feed the market maker
[2016-08-27 13:27:40] rapidtrades : without quantos there's no good option to short or hedge
[2016-08-27 13:28:12] rapidtrades : swap is unreliable and will trade a discount when we go down, so u end up paying fees
[2016-08-27 13:28:40] rapidtrades : so u have to constantly jump in and out...problem is there's not a lot of other options either
[2016-08-27 13:29:48] rapidtrades : at some point china will prolly squeeze out all USD exchanges, that's where the volume is
[2016-08-27 13:31:12] rapidtrades : what I'm saying is he should start to get used to trading in yuan not dollars
[2016-08-27 13:31:22] rapidtrades : we not he
[2016-08-27 13:40:45] Rado : thanks god for coffee :-)
[2016-08-27 13:40:50] Rado : enjoying it a lot
[2016-08-27 13:41:28] Rado : ETC chart
[2016-08-27 13:41:29] Rado : https://www.tradingview.com/chart/ETCBTC/bDjwwid9-ETC-downtrend-might-be-coming-to-an-end/
[2016-08-27 13:44:09] Rado : did you guys see decent decentralized network