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[2016-08-23 18:08:38] esuvari : too much volatility
[2016-08-23 18:12:28] BitMEX_Sam : Our lead MM tells us there are Poloniex connectivity issues for pricing data
[2016-08-23 18:12:32] BitMEX_Sam : They will be back in shortly
[2016-08-23 19:08:30] xzsd : crazy whale in LTC/poloniex
[2016-08-23 19:08:30] xzsd : lol
[2016-08-23 19:08:35] xzsd : LISK*
[2016-08-23 19:08:48] xzsd : put the wall in 70k now
[2016-08-23 19:23:22] premjeraz : If not that position close.. Im still not sure is kegit one..soon i will make normal report, with the question..I could have 3btc now, was good call with ltc
[2016-08-23 19:23:39] REKT : Liquidated short on `FCTXBT`: Buy 3001 @ 0.005519
[2016-08-23 19:24:56] TA : Ltc dump incoming on polo
[2016-08-23 19:25:33] TA : huge sell wall on ltc at around 70k.. bringing it down
[2016-08-23 19:42:46] TA : 679 k.. now it will be back to 600k
[2016-08-23 19:42:48] TA : soon
[2016-08-23 19:43:52] REKT : Liquidated long on `XMR7D`: Sell 14 @ 0.007857
[2016-08-23 19:54:17] Tetsuo : so is just a coincidence that XMR deposits are not available on the day it jumps 100%? "Wallet sync" WTF, That place...
[2016-08-23 19:54:28] Tetsuo : #polo
[2016-08-23 20:58:30] ayy_lmao : i just sent btc here and xmr liquidity is gone lmao
[2016-08-23 20:58:38] ayy_lmao : smh
[2016-08-23 21:00:35] Tetsuo : lol, nice spread in here 0.007-.0092
[2016-08-23 21:03:20] Tetsuo : i´m sorry for everyone who as an open position
[2016-08-23 21:03:35] ayy_lmao : inorite
[2016-08-23 21:03:44] ayy_lmao : mm prob was too long or too short
[2016-08-23 21:03:47] ayy_lmao : and got scared
[2016-08-23 21:14:02] BitMEX_Greg : Checking with the lead MM now
[2016-08-23 21:51:19] rapidtrades : he's back
[2016-08-23 21:55:09] I-am-Legend : hey greg
[2016-08-23 21:55:24] I-am-Legend : the interest on eth is 0.5% how come its so high
[2016-08-23 21:55:56] I-am-Legend : who is paying it shorts or longs ? is there a way to know just looking at top right on the trading page ?
[2016-08-23 21:57:56] rapidtrades : positive means longs pay
[2016-08-23 22:02:38] BitMEX_Greg : I-am-Legend: Hi
[2016-08-23 22:03:23] BitMEX_Greg : Right now, the funding is +0.48%, which means that longs PAY shorts 0.48% on their position.
[2016-08-23 22:05:15] BitMEX_Greg : If it is positive then that means longs will pay, if it is -ve then that means shorts will pay
[2016-08-23 22:07:21] REKT : Liquidated short on `XMR7D`: Buy 6401 @ 0.007612
[2016-08-23 22:08:43] I-am-Legend : ok got it thanks
[2016-08-23 22:09:01] I-am-Legend : how does the system decide who is paying
[2016-08-23 22:09:15] I-am-Legend : is it mostly longs paying shorts ?
[2016-08-23 22:09:52] Tetsuo : tea leafs, moon cycles , you call it we have it
[2016-08-23 22:11:02] I-am-Legend : ur all rekt
[2016-08-23 22:15:58] I-am-Legend : greg ??
[2016-08-23 22:16:35] BitMEX_Greg : I-am-Legend: It's depending on the liquidity of the market and the flow of buys and sells. More specifically take a read over the Funding Calculation here: https://www.bitmex.com/app/swapsGuide#funding
[2016-08-23 22:16:56] I-am-Legend : ok thanks doing it now
[2016-08-23 22:18:06] I-am-Legend : also the 0.5 interest currently.. say for example 1000 eth contracts is worth 11000$ doe that mean u pay or get 0.5% of 11000$ every funding round ?
[2016-08-23 22:19:27] aethlios : I-am-Legend: thats right
[2016-08-23 22:19:35] BitMEX_Greg : You will get paid the XBT amount yeah.
[2016-08-23 22:19:57] I-am-Legend : xbt is just btc ?
[2016-08-23 22:20:07] BitMEX_Greg : Yeah its the official ISO code Bitcoin
[2016-08-23 22:20:16] aethlios : I-am-Legend: but could reverse, then need to close or reverse position, pay fees and bid ask spread.
[2016-08-23 22:20:38] BitMEX_Greg : Unofficial*
[2016-08-23 22:21:04] I-am-Legend : what if i the interest changes from one side to the other you will close positions ?
[2016-08-23 22:22:14] I-am-Legend : also is the funding xbt paid based on mark price ?
[2016-08-23 22:24:25] BitMEX_Greg : I-am-Legend: No, you need to keep an eye on the funding level yourself. We do not close your positions unless it is liquidated.
[2016-08-23 22:24:32] aethlios : I-am-Legend: if you don't close then you will pay funding.usually when market bullish it has a positive funding for shorts and opposite when market bearish.
[2016-08-23 22:25:10] BitMEX_Greg : You can take a look at the "Predicted Funding" by hovering over the current Funding in the Contract Details tab
[2016-08-23 22:28:43] I-am-Legend : cant find predicted funding greg looking for it
[2016-08-23 22:28:59] BitMEX_Greg : I-am-Legend: Press the "Trade" tab
[2016-08-23 22:29:23] BitMEX_Greg : Then on the left hand side where the order controls are, down the bottom you will see "Contract Details ETHXBT"
[2016-08-23 22:29:25] I-am-Legend : yeah ?
[2016-08-23 22:29:34] I-am-Legend : ok
[2016-08-23 22:30:03] BitMEX_Greg : Then underneath you will see terms such as Pricing Source, 24H Volume, Open Value and Funding
[2016-08-23 22:30:09] BitMEX_Greg : hover your mouse over "Funding"
[2016-08-23 22:31:21] I-am-Legend : its saying funding 0.586% in 5 hours + predicted funding 0.4%
[2016-08-23 22:31:25] I-am-Legend : ??
[2016-08-23 22:31:58] I-am-Legend : so on funding will get 0.58?
[2016-08-23 22:32:36] I-am-Legend : 0.4 is not in 5 hours but the one after right? just guessing
[2016-08-23 22:33:05] BitMEX_Greg : Yes my apologies, the rate is 0.5867% in 5 hours which is fixed
[2016-08-23 22:33:19] BitMEX_Greg : The predicted funding is an anticipated funding given how the market is moving in the current 8 hour period now
[2016-08-23 22:33:41] I-am-Legend : so current funding fixed
[2016-08-23 22:33:47] BitMEX_Greg : That's correct
[2016-08-23 22:34:23] I-am-Legend : so predicted is for the one after, next 0.58 one after 0.4 predicted ?
[2016-08-23 22:34:24] BitMEX_Greg : But be aware of where the market is trading now, if everyone is trying to sell to take advantage of the high funding levels then the market may be trading at a discount
[2016-08-23 22:34:35] BitMEX_Greg : Predicted is 0.4% but it is dropping
[2016-08-23 22:35:54] I-am-Legend : i see but in 5 hours its fixed at 0.58 so the 0.4 predicted is 11 hours from now ?
[2016-08-23 22:36:43] BitMEX_Greg : It will be 0.5867% in 5 hours, and then predicted 0.4% in 5 + 8 hours
[2016-08-23 22:37:47] BitMEX_Greg : Funding periods occur every 8 hours
[2016-08-23 22:38:20] I-am-Legend : got it thanks getting to understand the site now
[2016-08-23 22:38:41] I-am-Legend : better to get rekt knowing what your doing
[2016-08-23 22:38:47] BitMEX_Greg : No worries, we are going to have some clearer guides on the site soon. In the meantime just @ buzz me if you need anything more clarifying
[2016-08-23 22:38:52] BitMEX_Greg : haha agree
[2016-08-23 22:38:58] I-am-Legend : hehe
[2016-08-23 22:39:19] I-am-Legend : one more thing if i close now i still pay or get funding in 5 hours ?
[2016-08-23 22:40:04] BitMEX_Greg : If you close then you won't get any funding. You need to hold the position at the funding time (in 5 hours) if you want to receive the funding.
[2016-08-23 22:40:17] BitMEX_Greg : Rather, you won't pay funding if you close now*
[2016-08-23 22:40:55] I-am-Legend : ok so if i open a position 1 min before funding
[2016-08-23 22:41:01] BitMEX_Greg : That's right
[2016-08-23 22:41:04] I-am-Legend : i still pay or get the rebate ?
[2016-08-23 22:41:09] BitMEX_Greg : Just pay attention to where the market is trading however
[2016-08-23 22:41:11] BitMEX_Greg : Yes
[2016-08-23 22:41:24] BitMEX_Greg : But it's not referred to rebate, but funding*
[2016-08-23 22:41:47] I-am-Legend : so at 0.5 % someone can open 1k contracts 1 min before in a short & get interest ?
[2016-08-23 22:42:03] ayy_lmao : ive always wondered how that works
[2016-08-23 22:42:09] ayy_lmao : it cant be that easy right
[2016-08-23 22:42:23] I-am-Legend : seems it is ?
[2016-08-23 22:42:51] BitMEX_Greg : Yes, but the market may be 0.5% trading under the Mark Price, so if you try to short to receive 0.5% worth of funding, then you will be paying 0.5% on the market
[2016-08-23 22:45:36] I-am-Legend : so longs will want to close before next round of funding not to pay the 0.5% right..
[2016-08-23 22:47:23] BitMEX_Greg : Yeah that's what may push the price down
[2016-08-23 22:47:35] I-am-Legend : im short eth now. who is paying me the 0.5% when its time for funding ? i dont get where thats coming from if longs try to get before the funding
[2016-08-23 22:48:32] I-am-Legend : so longs push price down & people trying to get 0.5 % at funding ? that would mean great time to close your short ?
[2016-08-23 22:48:48] I-am-Legend : but then u lose the 0.5% closing before the funding ?
[2016-08-23 22:49:40] BitMEX_Greg : I-am-Legend: The market is zero-sum, meaning that for every 1 short there is 1 long.
[2016-08-23 22:49:46] I-am-Legend : who made this system so complex.. cant fomo in cause u have to think so much before u open a trade lol
[2016-08-23 22:50:16] ayy_lmao : lol so true
[2016-08-23 22:51:05] BitMEX_Greg : I-am-Legend: We are working on making it slightly less complicated to understand for new users.
[2016-08-23 22:51:07] I-am-Legend : so current mark is 1906 but index is 1899.. means trading over the real price avg
[2016-08-23 22:51:24] BitMEX_Greg : The difficulty lies in the fact that the swap is a perpetual product, rather than a fixed expiry future
[2016-08-23 22:51:34] I-am-Legend : yeah i lost 6 btc first week cause i didnt know what i was doing rekt
[2016-08-23 22:51:45] BitMEX_Greg : So the market is currently trading UNDER the Mark Price (i.e. a discount).
[2016-08-23 22:51:46] I-am-Legend : i didnt leave stayed on to learn
[2016-08-23 22:52:02] I-am-Legend : ohh i see yeah
[2016-08-23 22:52:12] I-am-Legend : its even tradinf under the real price
[2016-08-23 22:52:15] BitMEX_Greg : I'm glad you stayed on, we're always here to help users understand how it works
[2016-08-23 22:52:17] I-am-Legend : why ?
[2016-08-23 22:52:26] BitMEX_Greg : I presume because of the funding reason
[2016-08-23 22:52:37] I-am-Legend : i see & longs wanting out
[2016-08-23 22:52:45] BitMEX_Greg : Most likely longs are trying to exit, or people are putting on new shorts to take advantage of the funding
[2016-08-23 22:52:55] I-am-Legend : i dont think its 0.5% not even near it right
[2016-08-23 22:53:03] I-am-Legend : 10 ticks
[2016-08-23 22:53:37] I-am-Legend : ohh its about 0.5% just did it in my head
[2016-08-23 22:54:02] I-am-Legend : so if ur short u sort of do get ur 0.5 by closing now lol
[2016-08-23 22:55:05] BitMEX_Greg : Yeah mid is 0.01874ish (for 1500 contracts), and mark is 0.01899. So the discount is 0.01874/0.01899-1 = 1.3% discount
[2016-08-23 22:55:19] I-am-Legend : greg my curent unrealised pnl, thats based on which price. we got the order book + index + mark?
[2016-08-23 22:55:44] BitMEX_Greg : Mark Price
[2016-08-23 22:56:10] I-am-Legend : i see i dont really get what the mark price is
[2016-08-23 22:56:20] I-am-Legend : i get the orderbook & i get index is polo price
[2016-08-23 22:56:38] BitMEX_Greg : The Mark Price is the price that positions (and unrealised PnL and liquidations) are marked against.
[2016-08-23 22:56:59] BitMEX_Greg : Usually the Mark Price is the Index Price, but sometimes it can deviate if the market is trading at a premium or discount
[2016-08-23 22:57:29] I-am-Legend : so market is at discount now how come mark price is higher
[2016-08-23 22:57:32] I-am-Legend : should be lower
[2016-08-23 22:57:50] I-am-Legend : makr price even higher than index
[2016-08-23 22:57:58] I-am-Legend : but book price way lower.
[2016-08-23 22:58:08] I-am-Legend : only god will understand that
[2016-08-23 22:58:47] BitMEX_Greg : Take a read over https://www.bitmex.com/app/fairPriceMarking
[2016-08-23 22:59:15] BitMEX_Greg : It shows you why the Mark Price may not trade in line with where the market is trading on BitMEX. We do it this way to prevent market manipulation
[2016-08-23 22:59:29] I-am-Legend : ok got two to read now.. greg when we are settled at rebalance that will be mark price not index right ?
[2016-08-23 23:00:24] I-am-Legend : yeah i get cause those people trying to sell to milk the 0.58% will be at a loss due to high mark price
[2016-08-23 23:00:27] BitMEX_Greg : Correct, you will be rebalanced at Mark Price
[2016-08-23 23:01:24] I-am-Legend : so it means just after funding price will bounce as people get their interest
[2016-08-23 23:01:31] BitMEX_Greg : Although note that it doesn't affect your PnL. It is only use
[2016-08-23 23:01:48] BitMEX_Greg : used* to determine Unrealised PnL and points for liquidation
[2016-08-23 23:03:35] I-am-Legend : but at settlement u use the mark price to make realized pnl so it does affect your pnl at time of re-balance
[2016-08-23 23:03:57] BitMEX_Greg : Well at settlement we use the Settlement Price
[2016-08-23 23:05:05] BitMEX_Greg : For perpetual contracts that do not have a settlement, then your Realised PnL is only affected from your entry / exit, trading fees and any funding paid or received
[2016-08-23 23:05:32] BitMEX_Greg : be back soon, just grabbing a bite
[2016-08-23 23:06:01] I-am-Legend : ok cheers dude see u in a bit let me know when you back .. there plenty of people learning from this convo
[2016-08-23 23:06:13] I-am-Legend : not only me lol see u after lunch
[2016-08-23 23:28:08] BitMEX_Greg : I-am-Legend: Great to hear it, let me know if you have other questions
[2016-08-24 00:04:23] zanza : IM DELETING YOU, Harambe!??? ██]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]] 10% complete..... ████]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]] 35% complete.... ███████]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]] 60% complete.... ███████████] 99% complete..... ?ERROR!? ?True? ✔?HaramBAEs?? are irreplaceable ?
[2016-08-24 00:04:52] kogroken : wat
[2016-08-24 00:19:40] miramm1115 : zanza unicode abuser
[2016-08-24 00:21:24] jesperf : ? ? ? ‼️ ‼️
[2016-08-24 00:21:44] jesperf : ?
[2016-08-24 00:43:32] laisee : zanza: try "rm -rf *"
[2016-08-24 00:43:43] zanza : :)
[2016-08-24 00:44:12] laisee : or "format c:", if you swiing that way ..
[2016-08-24 00:59:51] BitMEX_Wally : `format c: /q`
[2016-08-24 01:37:32] REKT : Liquidated long on `XMR7D`: Sell 24 @ 0.007854
[2016-08-24 01:50:05] Rado : actually I think we should have education channel
[2016-08-24 01:50:31] Rado : so we don't fill the chat with only this stuff
[2016-08-24 01:55:38] mjones : so next XMR move up and above 0.009 to 0.02
[2016-08-24 01:56:06] mjones : not sure why someone would want so many XMR coins so we'll see
[2016-08-24 02:35:45] Rado : mjones: I don't think it's going to 0.02 anytime soon
[2016-08-24 02:43:45] Rado : Enabling BFX tokens as collateral for financing is an irreversible feature. Once enabled, this setting cannot be disable.
[2016-08-24 02:44:07] Rado : Another way to try and get more BFX coins liquidated
[2016-08-24 06:31:06] REKT : Liquidated short on `XMR7D`: Buy 100 @ 0.008422
[2016-08-24 06:39:06] REKT : Liquidated short on `XMR7D`: Buy 500 @ 0.008685
[2016-08-24 09:15:43] Ultrahoschie : wher comes the mark price for xbtusd?
[2016-08-24 09:25:42] Ultrahoschie : how fair is it ... markprice 578 .... marketprice 581 ....
[2016-08-24 09:32:21] BitMEX_Jinming : Ultrahoschie: for details `https://www.bitmex.com/app/fairPriceMarking`
[2016-08-24 09:34:25] BitMEX_Jinming : Ultrahoschie: Basically it's underlying price (50% okc + 50% bitstamp) plus funding basis
[2016-08-24 09:44:21] Ultrahoschie : ok ... but my buy entryprice is not based on markprice ....
[2016-08-24 09:44:33] Ultrahoschie : marketprice
[2016-08-24 09:49:49] BitMEX_Jinming : Ultrahoschie: yes, the entry price depends on our market, however unrealised pnl is marked using `mark price`
[2016-08-24 10:18:44] Ultrahoschie : ok but why the pnl is use markprice when the enter and closed price using market prices .... the markprice ... everytime behind ... i lose every time ...
[2016-08-24 10:28:54] Ultrahoschie : you can mut mixed to differnet prices or you must say ... i open an oder @marketprice 579 (markprice at this time is 577) .... i close the order @marketprice 580 (markprice = 578) .... market-market = 1$ gain .... mark-mark = 1$ gain .... but you use market-mark .... (578-579) = 1$ lose ... and this is not correct ...
[2016-08-24 11:03:51] REKT : Liquidated long on `XMR7D`: Sell 9 @ 0.008118
[2016-08-24 11:05:21] BitMEX_Jinming : Ultrahoschie: the realised Pnl is based on the actual prices you trade in and out. The unrealised Pnl is based on mark price so it's less likely to be manipulated.
[2016-08-24 11:08:19] Ultrahoschie : ahhh ... ok
[2016-08-24 12:31:07] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC7D`: Sell 450 @ 0.002634
[2016-08-24 13:30:58] mjones : ETC broke support. how many sellers are out there.
[2016-08-24 13:52:17] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC7D`: Sell 5070 @ 0.002576
[2016-08-24 13:53:02] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC7D`: Sell 536 @ 0.002564
[2016-08-24 14:40:51] Rado : shit coin made new highs
[2016-08-24 14:40:55] Rado : at 0.00077
[2016-08-24 14:45:52] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBJ24H`: Sell 42 @ 58101.0
[2016-08-24 14:57:25] rapidtrades : good day fellas
[2016-08-24 15:03:32] rapidtrades : any news on the bitfinex situation?
[2016-08-24 15:10:25] laisee : BFX shares are up on +ve earnings report
[2016-08-24 15:11:08] Martinos : +veearnings?
[2016-08-24 15:13:14] laisee : positive earnings from their trading activities
[2016-08-24 15:13:57] Martinos : oh
[2016-08-24 15:14:32] Martinos : and btc still down
[2016-08-24 15:15:09] laisee : srsly, BFX seems to be going up by the day
[2016-08-24 15:17:27] rapidtrades : i suspect bitfinex is using bitcoins to buy the tokens
[2016-08-24 15:21:46] rapidtrades : sounds crazy cos they should have way more extra USD..but the correlation is there
[2016-08-24 15:21:57] CaptainDean : What is the next resistance ?
[2016-08-24 15:22:02] CaptainDean : for BTC
[2016-08-24 15:22:40] pigeons : but but..they said they wouldnt do that because ethics!
[2016-08-24 15:23:27] BitMEX_Sam : Trust us.
[2016-08-24 15:23:38] rapidtrades : Bitfinex wouldn't know what's ethics if it hit them in the ass
[2016-08-24 15:25:02] pigeons : but but they started by liberating code from a scammer bucketshop!
[2016-08-24 15:25:11] Rado : maybe Bitfinex itself is not buying the coins
[2016-08-24 15:25:18] Rado : maybe an investor is buying them
[2016-08-24 15:25:39] Rado : you buy the coins from 0.30 to 0.50 USD
[2016-08-24 15:26:01] Rado : then go to Bitfinex and say I will get a stake in the company for $1 per BFX
[2016-08-24 15:26:28] Rado : make 60% profit
[2016-08-24 15:26:47] CaptainDean : fuck bitfinex
[2016-08-24 15:26:48] rapidtrades : that would be one stupid investor
[2016-08-24 15:26:55] BitMEX_Greg : Why wouldn't Bitfinex be buying them back?
[2016-08-24 15:27:10] rapidtrades : because they said they won't :)
[2016-08-24 15:27:22] Rado : BitMEX_Greg: can they legally?
[2016-08-24 15:28:05] BitMEX_Greg : Can they legally issue BFX tokens? Can they legally impose a haircut of 36% on all accounts?
[2016-08-24 15:28:17] Rado : fair
[2016-08-24 15:28:27] Rado : what will be the reason for them buying them?
[2016-08-24 15:28:46] CaptainDean : I repeat, fuck Bitfinex :P
[2016-08-24 15:29:09] Rado : There can be only two reasons: Return the BTC to holders of BFX (not likely) 2. Profit from them buy selling them higher
[2016-08-24 15:29:39] BitMEX_Greg : They would buy them back if they truly believe they will survive and the BFX tokens will make its way to a value of 1
[2016-08-24 15:30:24] Rado : but the only way to get out of the BFX is exchange them back for BTC or USD
[2016-08-24 15:30:26] Rado : for all holders
[2016-08-24 15:30:45] BitMEX_Greg : It's like a company buying its shares back on an exchange. If the shares dump to some crazy price, but the board believes they are cheap, then they will buy them back
[2016-08-24 15:31:02] BitMEX_Greg : Unless they redeem all the holders back
[2016-08-24 15:31:37] BitMEX_Greg : They could just one day announce that they had an angel investor give them $70m and they will be repaying all BFX token holders $1 or $1 worth of BTC
[2016-08-24 15:31:50] Rado : Right
[2016-08-24 15:32:01] Rado : that will be positive for them
[2016-08-24 15:32:06] Rado : maybe that is the end game
[2016-08-24 15:32:17] BitMEX_Greg : Yeah, but I dont know what type of investor would do that
[2016-08-24 15:32:29] BitMEX_Greg : They would have to have a lot of confidence in Bitfinex's survival
[2016-08-24 15:32:29] Rado : A shady one
[2016-08-24 15:32:30] Rado : :-)
[2016-08-24 15:32:34] Rado : that will get a cut
[2016-08-24 15:32:49] rapidtrades : u got that right Rado
[2016-08-24 15:32:54] Rado : on paper they invest $70 mill, but in reality they only invested 50
[2016-08-24 15:33:11] Rado : or something like that
[2016-08-24 15:33:15] BitMEX_Greg : Yeah, still a risk for the investor
[2016-08-24 15:33:22] rapidtrades : i hope they find an investor, will make suing them easier
[2016-08-24 15:33:27] BitMEX_Greg : haha
[2016-08-24 15:33:45] Rado : BitMEX_Greg: isn't everything risky in crypto space
[2016-08-24 15:34:03] Rado : even investing in BitMEX is ricky
[2016-08-24 15:34:08] Rado : although I will do it :-)
[2016-08-24 15:34:15] Rado : risky
[2016-08-24 15:34:30] BitMEX_Greg : haha yeah, new technologies, a lot of uncertainty
[2016-08-24 15:34:31] Rado : when are you issuing BMX token?
[2016-08-24 15:34:52] rapidtrades : they only risk in suing them now is it will likely force them into bankruptcy
[2016-08-24 15:35:11] BitMEX_Greg : Haha not sure we would do that
[2016-08-24 15:35:14] rapidtrades : so u end up getting the same slice as everyone but u payed for some legal costs
[2016-08-24 15:35:32] BitMEX_Greg : That's why people are joining the class-action right?
[2016-08-24 15:35:40] BitMEX_Greg : share the legal costs
[2016-08-24 15:36:13] BitMEX_Greg : Bitfinex is doing a good job of spreading FUD around being sued
[2016-08-24 15:36:44] rapidtrades : yeah it's too diffused right now...we have few ppl here that are intrerested, few on reddit...then there's that guy with the shady website
[2016-08-24 15:36:52] rapidtrades : everyone is doing their own thing right now
[2016-08-24 15:37:13] BitMEX_Greg : I am sure a lot of users want to, but after their statements saying "hey guys, we actually have your interests as a priority thats why we opened without really understanding our attack vector, by the way here's a BFX token for your troubles"
[2016-08-24 15:37:43] BitMEX_Greg : I think people are scared given what happened with MtGox
[2016-08-24 15:38:13] rapidtrades : https://news.bitcoin.com/heres-bitfinex-not-like-mtgox/
[2016-08-24 15:39:51] rapidtrades : my opinion is everyone trying to get a piece fast cos they expect them to go bankrupt soon...waiting for that lawsuit could take months/years
[2016-08-24 15:40:18] Rado : shorting the BFX token might be a good bet here
[2016-08-24 15:40:40] rapidtrades : if they survive few more weeks u will see a more organized effort to join any lawsuits
[2016-08-24 15:41:08] BitMEX_Greg : interesting
[2016-08-24 15:42:13] rapidtrades : if u sold ur tokens and withdrawn everything, there is no reason not to join any lawsuits
[2016-08-24 15:44:04] Rado : rapidtrades: what is the difference by a person that lost money and holding BFX tokens and someone that did not lose anything but bought BFX tokens
[2016-08-24 15:44:12] Rado : Do they have the same rights holding the tokens
[2016-08-24 15:45:25] rapidtrades : tokens holders will prolly be at the back of the line in any liquidation
[2016-08-24 15:45:54] rapidtrades : just my opinion, not legal advice :)
[2016-08-24 15:46:35] Rado : usually in a bankruptcy john doe does not get anything
[2016-08-24 15:46:41] Rado : accountants make sure of that
[2016-08-24 15:46:53] BitMEX_Greg : Yeah that's an interesting question. As some people will have already sold their tokens and realised a loss of 20% on par
[2016-08-24 15:48:00] rapidtrades : i lost bit more then that due to having to buy BTC at premium
[2016-08-24 15:49:06] rapidtrades : the tokens are not a legal debt instrument and right now there's only the promise of shares
[2016-08-24 15:49:25] rapidtrades : so as things stand now, they may not even be counted as a claim
[2016-08-24 15:49:45] rapidtrades : again just imo, haven't consulted a lawyer
[2016-08-24 15:50:09] BitMEX_Greg : You should think strongly about the class action then
[2016-08-24 15:50:44] rapidtrades : yeah i've sent a few emails...let's see what i get back
[2016-08-24 15:51:30] BitMEX_Greg : Good luck
[2016-08-24 15:53:20] Rado : If I sell my BFX at 0.00078
[2016-08-24 15:53:31] Rado : My total loss will be only a bit over 3 BTC
[2016-08-24 15:59:52] REKT : Liquidated short on `XMR7D`: Buy 15 @ 0.007885
[2016-08-24 16:03:07] REKT : Liquidated short on `XMR7D`: Buy 71 @ 0.008023
[2016-08-24 16:30:33] macios15 : bitfinex token? what is that
[2016-08-24 16:40:57] BitMEX_Greg : macios15: https://www.bitfinex.com/bfx_token_terms
[2016-08-24 16:46:21] REKT : Liquidated long on `XMR7D`: Sell 3 @ 0.007695 :punch: :whale:
[2016-08-24 16:46:26] Rado : rapidtrades: I am out
[2016-08-24 16:46:37] Rado : sold at 0.00078
[2016-08-24 16:46:54] Rado : took my 3 BTC and running fast away from Bitfinex
[2016-08-24 17:33:33] rapidtrades : Rado: prolly for the best
[2016-08-24 17:33:57] rapidtrades : Rado: and u got out at a better price :)
[2016-08-24 20:47:03] justinlooking : sleger are u shorting the shit out of xbtusd again?
[2016-08-24 20:59:50] rapidtrades : justinlooking: he's not here atm
[2016-08-24 21:26:34] ayy_lmao : slow day for the trollbox
[2016-08-24 23:03:16] dh2 : test
[2016-08-24 23:04:10] BitMEX_Sam : Traders are asleep, it's still summer
[2016-08-24 23:04:51] dh2 : Hi Bitmex_Sam
[2016-08-24 23:05:52] dh2 : I had an issue Yesterday where I'
[2016-08-24 23:07:58] dh2 : lost my Bitmex login and also access to the account I had associated
[2016-08-24 23:08:48] dh2 : I requested support/suggestions and now I've finally relocated it
[2016-08-24 23:09:34] dh2 : I thought i'd let you know immediately so that nobody wasted any time on iy
[2016-08-24 23:10:35] dh2 : Lesson learned - use 2FA :)
[2016-08-24 23:10:51] BitMEX_Sam : dh2: Thanks. Strangely enough, I don't see any support ticket from you.
[2016-08-24 23:14:41] dh2 : Hi. I believe I had to use another email address as a I was locked out of mine. I was migrating from a Windows PC to an Apple PC - where some files 'corrupted' slightly. Now I'm back :)
[2016-08-24 23:19:07] REKT : Liquidated long on `LTCXBT`: Sell 1600 @ 0.00660
[2016-08-24 23:19:07] REKT : Liquidated long on `LTCXBT`: Sell 100 @ 0.00662
[2016-08-25 01:09:02] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 165 @ 575.58
[2016-08-25 01:09:02] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 35000 @ 575.46 **MEGA-REKT** :boom:
[2016-08-25 01:22:02] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC7D`: Sell 98 @ 0.002493
[2016-08-25 01:43:08] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 1110 @ 574.77
[2016-08-25 01:43:08] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 3333 @ 574.82
[2016-08-25 01:48:42] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 200 @ 574.48
[2016-08-25 01:48:48] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 1500 @ 574.36
[2016-08-25 01:48:48] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 6230 @ 574.19
[2016-08-25 01:48:48] REKT : Next stop - goblin town!
[2016-08-25 01:48:53] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 1000 @ 573.82
[2016-08-25 01:48:53] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 2 @ 573.79 :punch: :whale:
[2016-08-25 01:49:57] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 300 @ 573.50
[2016-08-25 01:50:17] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 1 @ 573.30 :punch: :whale:
[2016-08-25 01:50:51] REKT : Liquidated long on `LSKXBT`: Sell 1 @ 0.000448 :punch: :whale:
[2016-08-25 01:51:47] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 33331 @ 572.93 **MEGA-REKT** :boom:
[2016-08-25 01:53:32] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 150 @ 572.33
[2016-08-25 02:46:34] ayy_lmao : inb4 xmr rekt
[2016-08-25 02:47:07] ayy_lmao : lmao mm pulling orders again
[2016-08-25 03:44:53] willybot : all XMR buys pulled. well done MM
[2016-08-25 03:51:40] ayy_lmao : lmaooo
[2016-08-25 03:52:14] ayy_lmao : mm rekt
[2016-08-25 03:52:45] ayy_lmao : suprised no liquidations
[2016-08-25 03:54:03] willybot : ayy_lmao: they are coming. Traders are on the last leg. One more downwards push and it cascades
[2016-08-25 03:55:28] zanza : willybot, when are you shutting down this site?
[2016-08-25 03:57:00] willybot : zanza: when its profitable
[2016-08-25 04:02:38] REKT : Liquidated short on `XMR7D`: Buy 28 @ 0.007158
[2016-08-25 04:18:58] zanza : ok
[2016-08-25 05:29:31] zanza : ETC breaking down technically
[2016-08-25 05:49:20] aethlios : bitmex any plans to turn xmr, etc tp swap??
[2016-08-25 06:02:59] BitMEX_Wally : Yes if it trades well
[2016-08-25 06:09:20] Tetsuo : i´m sure ETC will trade well untll it hits 0$ in a few weeks when the network gets shut down
[2016-08-25 06:44:06] rapidtrades : good morning
[2016-08-25 06:47:02] REKT : Liquidated short on `XMR7D`: Buy 10 @ 0.007520
[2016-08-25 06:47:02] REKT : Liquidated short on `XMR7D`: Buy 72 @ 0.007493
[2016-08-25 06:54:52] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC7D`: Sell 1456 @ 0.002389
[2016-08-25 08:47:21] REKT : Liquidated long on `XMR7D`: Sell 43 @ 0.006943
[2016-08-25 08:55:56] Tetsuo : Rise & shine ETH
[2016-08-25 11:09:28] BitMEX_Wally : :)
[2016-08-25 11:14:58] rapidtrades : BitMEX_Wally: hey so in my trade history...where it says fee rate and fee paid....if these are negative does it mean i got paid?
[2016-08-25 11:15:14] BitMEX_Wally : rapidtrades: Yes that's correct
[2016-08-25 11:15:22] rapidtrades : ok cool
[2016-08-25 11:43:52] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC7D`: Sell 5770 @ 0.002331
[2016-08-25 11:45:02] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC7D`: Sell 7500 @ 0.002317
[2016-08-25 12:35:58] rapidtrades : why is monero getting the spotlight and not dash?
[2016-08-25 12:36:08] rapidtrades : they're both anoncoins?
[2016-08-25 12:36:39] Boontjie : rapidtrades: darknet uses monero
[2016-08-25 12:37:08] rapidtrades : source?
[2016-08-25 12:37:28] Boontjie : http://themerkle.com/monero-xmr-on-the-rise-following-its-inclusion-in-the-darknet-market-alphabay/
[2016-08-25 12:43:37] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC7D`: Sell 10 @ 0.002279
[2016-08-25 13:07:22] willybot : sitting in usd. Next ship leaves the station tuesday
[2016-08-25 14:03:32] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC7D`: Sell 140 @ 0.002254
[2016-08-25 14:18:44] Kalman : BitMEX_Wally: Hi, the value column in the trade history shows only 4 digits. Do you calculate internally with more, e.g. 8 ?
[2016-08-25 14:22:01] BitMEX_Sam : Kalman: Yes, all calculations are in Satoshis. You can change which currency you display by clicking your username dropdown in the top right.
[2016-08-25 14:23:01] Kalman : great, thx!
[2016-08-25 14:51:22] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETC7D`: Buy 30 @ 0.002368
[2016-08-25 14:55:17] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETC7D`: Buy 291 @ 0.002417
[2016-08-25 14:56:07] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETC7D`: Buy 3300 @ 0.002427
[2016-08-25 15:32:34] Rado : sup punks
[2016-08-25 15:47:55] CaptainDean : Hey Rado
[2016-08-25 15:52:04] Rado : CaptainDean: hey
[2016-08-25 17:29:37] REKT : Liquidated long on `LTCXBT`: Sell 30 @ 0.00657
[2016-08-25 17:54:07] REKT : Liquidated long on `LTCXBT`: Sell 2400 @ 0.00653
[2016-08-25 18:28:01] CaptainDean : 3$ premium price, long time no see
[2016-08-25 18:36:28] Rado : doing my first trade on XMR
[2016-08-25 18:36:56] Rado : very quite in here
[2016-08-25 18:38:59] Rado : my liq price on XMR is 0.001624
[2016-08-25 18:39:08] Rado : I guess I could have done a bigger position
[2016-08-25 18:39:17] Rado : why am I talking to myself
[2016-08-25 18:39:21] Rado : :-)
[2016-08-25 18:47:52] BitMEX_Greg : Rado: What are your thoughts about XMR?
[2016-08-25 18:48:21] Rado : right now I just entered a long from 0.0062
[2016-08-25 18:48:41] Rado : a secondary rally which will be much weaker
[2016-08-25 18:48:58] Rado : will get out anywhere over 0.0072
[2016-08-25 18:49:17] Rado : it could go higher, but I am not going to stick with it
[2016-08-25 18:49:26] Rado : I know nothing about XMR
[2016-08-25 18:49:43] Rado : just technically it was good for a trade
[2016-08-25 18:49:55] ayy_lmao : where did u long
[2016-08-25 18:50:05] ayy_lmao : polo or here
[2016-08-25 18:50:15] Rado : here of course
[2016-08-25 18:50:34] Rado : who trades on normal exchanges when you have BitMEX ;-)
[2016-08-25 18:50:41] ayy_lmao : how were you able to long at 62, chart on here only shows 65 low
[2016-08-25 18:50:51] Rado : oh
[2016-08-25 18:50:53] Rado : sorry
[2016-08-25 18:50:59] Rado : long is at 0.00662
[2016-08-25 18:51:04] ayy_lmao : oh makes sense
[2016-08-25 18:51:11] Rado : my mistake
[2016-08-25 18:51:45] Rado : I guess lowest trades were 0.00645
[2016-08-25 18:53:24] Rado : there is always a chance the bounce is already done and it will continue down
[2016-08-25 20:37:33] justinlooking : trolls are kill
[2016-08-25 20:38:35] justinlooking : where is rapricktrades
[2016-08-25 20:38:52] rapidtrades : :)
[2016-08-25 20:39:01] justinlooking : hello geez
[2016-08-25 20:40:32] rapidtrades : Rado: waiting for a break of the highs
[2016-08-25 20:43:15] Rado : rapidtrades: on what rapidtrades?
[2016-08-25 20:43:32] rapidtrades : xmr
[2016-08-25 20:43:41] Rado : I have my sell order ;-)
[2016-08-25 20:44:34] rapidtrades : only 33% away :)
[2016-08-25 20:45:10] Rado : I am selling way bellow what I think a possible target is
[2016-08-25 20:45:20] Rado : I think it's going to 0.0075
[2016-08-25 20:45:27] Rado : but selling at 0.007299
[2016-08-25 20:45:35] Rado : filled :-)
[2016-08-25 20:45:42] rapidtrades : ahahaha nice one
[2016-08-25 20:45:58] Rado : MM seem to have dropped
[2016-08-25 20:46:23] Rado : he is back
[2016-08-25 20:46:30] rapidtrades : kind of
[2016-08-25 20:46:53] rapidtrades : i think that trade was too quick and easy....likely rally not over :)
[2016-08-25 20:47:07] Rado : yes
[2016-08-25 20:47:20] Rado : but I am not in the business of catching tops or bottoms
[2016-08-25 20:47:22] Rado : :-)
[2016-08-25 20:47:41] rapidtrades : why 0.0075?
[2016-08-25 20:48:36] rapidtrades : btw does anyone know what was monero's market cap prior to this rally? where was it in the top
[2016-08-25 20:48:37] Rado : it had 3-4 touch points there before
[2016-08-25 20:48:43] Rado : see this chart I created
[2016-08-25 20:48:44] Rado : https://www.tradingview.com/chart/XMRBTC/50ENMt7W-XMR-bounce-in-progress/
[2016-08-25 20:51:38] rapidtrades : i see ur point
[2016-08-25 20:56:55] rapidtrades : man bitcoin really can't stay above that 10b market cap
[2016-08-25 20:57:15] rapidtrades : when was the last time we were there? right before gox went under?
[2016-08-25 20:57:55] rapidtrades : then in june and now we're dead
[2016-08-25 20:58:03] rapidtrades : daily chart looks ugly as sin
[2016-08-25 20:58:45] Rado : rapidtrades: once it starts going it will be epic
[2016-08-25 20:58:46] Rado : imo
[2016-08-25 20:59:04] Rado : it needs a trigger
[2016-08-25 20:59:13] Rado : like FED doing something stupid
[2016-08-25 20:59:24] Rado : or DB going ch11
[2016-08-25 20:59:38] Rado : bond bubble finally bursting
[2016-08-25 20:59:45] Rado : a lot of things can trigger it
[2016-08-25 20:59:51] Rado : I think it's not far away
[2016-08-25 20:59:55] Rado : maybe this October
[2016-08-25 21:02:16] rapidtrades : i doubt any of the things u said will have a lasting impact
[2016-08-25 21:05:22] rapidtrades : im going through the top coins and aside from btc/usd polo leads them all
[2016-08-25 21:05:46] rapidtrades : guess i should make an account
[2016-08-25 21:06:15] rapidtrades : what's the leverage? 3/1?
[2016-08-25 21:11:01] rapidtrades : why are they desisting DSH? isn't that dash?
[2016-08-25 21:24:06] Rado : 2.5 x 1
[2016-08-25 21:24:14] Rado : no
[2016-08-25 21:24:30] Rado : Dash is DASH
[2016-08-25 21:24:51] rapidtrades : what is dsh then
[2016-08-25 21:25:21] rapidtrades : cos on btc-e i see DSHBTC and it says DASH
[2016-08-25 21:25:28] rapidtrades : when u hover over it
[2016-08-25 21:26:06] Rado : I don't see DSH
[2016-08-25 21:26:28] Rado : going out
[2016-08-25 21:26:32] rapidtrades : WHAT
[2016-08-25 21:26:33] Rado : tty later
[2016-08-25 21:26:38] rapidtrades : NO
[2016-08-25 21:27:24] rapidtrades : https://btc-e.com/exchange/dsh_btc
[2016-08-25 21:32:40] rapidtrades : i don;t get it....what's the DSH that polo will be delisting
[2016-08-25 21:35:19] habibi : rapidtrades: dummie http://lmgtfy.com/?q=DSH+bitcointalk
[2016-08-25 21:35:42] rapidtrades : habibi: IT'S DUMMY DUMBO
[2016-08-25 21:36:01] habibi : dummie suits u better :)
[2016-08-25 21:42:37] rapidtrades : habibi: i see now why sleger doesn't like u
[2016-08-25 21:44:29] habibi : brilliant argument :) i guess u care a lot about what sleger thinks about u, but u are the only one who cares
[2016-08-25 23:18:21] HackedOnBFX : Why can't I connect with the MM bot?
[2016-08-25 23:18:25] HackedOnBFX : Is it down?
[2016-08-25 23:24:48] BitMEX_Sam : I assume you self-hosted it, so that's probably a question best answered by you
[2016-08-25 23:31:07] tb : is there a way to roll the bfx token through expiry?
[2016-08-25 23:31:32] tb : I don't want to have to open a new position and pay the spread again
[2016-08-25 23:34:37] BitMEX_Greg : tb: We don't have a roll contract unfortunately. You can try asking trader's here who may be on the opposite side to trade with you in the market
[2016-08-25 23:42:55] tb : even something like an opening auction for the new contract with prices quoted +/- index or nav would be good too
[2016-08-25 23:44:37] ayy_lmao : the would have spread too?
[2016-08-25 23:49:08] ayy_lmao : that
[2016-08-25 23:49:20] tb : no
[2016-08-25 23:49:47] tb : it's an auction, so everyone bids in price below/above settlement/open
[2016-08-25 23:50:09] tb : the book can be crossed
[2016-08-25 23:50:21] ayy_lmao : lol
[2016-08-25 23:50:25] ayy_lmao : insta liquidations
[2016-08-25 23:51:08] tb : no
[2016-08-25 23:51:41] tb : because it'll most likely trade very close to the old contract's settlement price/new contract's opening price
[2016-08-25 23:53:58] tb : @BitMEX_Greg is this something you guys can add at some point?
[2016-08-25 23:54:53] tb : like if i were to marketmake i would need a way to hedge rebalance charm
[2016-08-25 23:55:16] tb : err settlement
[2016-08-25 23:56:11] BitMEX_Greg : tb: Unlikely we will add a roll contract for the BFX contract. We may look at changing it over to the perpetual swap style later if it still exists and trades well
[2016-08-26 00:02:26] HackedOnBFX : BitMEX_Sam: i meant, is something on the site down
[2016-08-26 00:13:10] BitMEX_Greg : HackedOnBFX: I don't see any outages on our end.
[2016-08-26 00:59:07] Rado : tb: fees are so small
[2016-08-26 00:59:21] Rado : you even get paid if you put a limit order
[2016-08-26 00:59:51] Rado : sell in the middle between bid and ask
[2016-08-26 01:11:42] Rado : XMR target hit now
[2016-08-26 01:28:01] Rado : STEEM looks oversold and should also get a bounce
[2016-08-26 01:28:47] Rado : Some positive divergences
[2016-08-26 02:23:25] Rado : ETH in stealth rally
[2016-08-26 02:42:51] REKT : Liquidated short on `XMR7D`: Buy 65 @ 0.007652
[2016-08-26 05:01:52] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 9 @ 0.01960
[2016-08-26 05:02:18] BitMEX_Wally : `BFXU16` has been listed: https://www.bitmex.com/app/trade/BFXU16
[2016-08-26 05:24:44] rapidtrades : BitMEX_Wally: mark on sept is way above bi/asks
[2016-08-26 05:25:01] micmix : BitMEX_Wally: very nice! have you made any decision about XBTZ16 or other long-term quantos?
[2016-08-26 06:15:40] rapidtrades : yeah we want a new quanto
[2016-08-26 06:18:37] Kalman : BitMEX_Wally: Do you also disconnect trading bots after 24 h?
[2016-08-26 06:18:49] Kalman : BitMEX_Wally: Hi
[2016-08-26 07:22:12] martyix : Can anyone explain to me results of https://testnet.bitmex.com/api/v1/user/wallet?currency=XBt ?
[2016-08-26 07:22:18] martyix : What exactly is the value "amount"? What is "deltaAmount"?
[2016-08-26 07:29:56] BitMEX_Wally : martyix: `amount` is the net total of all wallet transactions (not including pending rebalances)
[2016-08-26 07:30:12] BitMEX_Wally : `walletBalance = (amount - pendingDebit) + realisedPnl`
[2016-08-26 07:30:54] martyix : thank you!
[2016-08-26 07:31:45] BitMEX_Wally : Kalman: We don't disconnect trading bots, but access tokens expire after 24 hours, so I recommend you request an API key
[2016-08-26 07:34:42] Kalman : BitMEX_Wally: Done so. How can one refresh the access token while beeing connected?
[2016-08-26 07:35:22] BitMEX_Wally : https://www.bitmex.com/app/restAPI#authentication
[2016-08-26 07:35:31] BitMEX_Wally : `Access tokens are valid for 24hrs. After that time, you must request another. Simply POST to /user/login`
[2016-08-26 07:37:03] Kalman : BitMEX_Wally: Sorry beeing imprecise, the script is connected via API key, this access token doesnt expire?
[2016-08-26 07:37:33] BitMEX_Wally : access tokens are different from API keys
[2016-08-26 07:38:29] BitMEX_Wally : API keys do not expire, but each message has to be signed with the secret
[2016-08-26 07:38:32] BitMEX_Wally : https://www.bitmex.com/app/apiKeysUsage
[2016-08-26 07:41:38] BitMEX_Wally : If you have a WebSocket connection then occasionally the connection maybe dropped when we roll updates to the servers, but you can always reconnect
[2016-08-26 07:42:34] Kalman : BitMEX_Wally: did you last night have an updated etc. ?