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[2016-08-20 13:57:16] JH : I've been boned a couple times because of low volume..
[2016-08-20 13:57:51] BitMEX_Sam : Honestly I think we're just seeing a small summer slump
[2016-08-20 13:58:10] BitMEX_Sam : When prices start moving again the books fill up
[2016-08-20 13:58:31] Thedude : BitMEX_Sam: I think its the funding scheme for alts, just to dangerous to trade when fudning often go's up to 0,5/1% a day
[2016-08-20 13:59:40] BitMEX_Sam : The swaps on alts actually trade more than the 7D futs used to - but we are considering more 7D futs on some
[2016-08-20 14:01:15] sleger : i agree with the dude, the funding rates on alts are broken, completely random and unpredictable
[2016-08-20 14:01:29] Thedude : BitMEX_Sam: I dont know I came back here after a few months of non trading. What used to be predictable affordable funding rates seem to have changed into insane highly volatile funding rates. Feels like trading the alts has become more about trading the funding rates then the actual price.
[2016-08-20 14:02:21] BitMEX_Sam : Thanks for the feedback - we are considering revisions to those contracts as I agree that the low liquidity can cause unpredictable rates
[2016-08-20 14:02:44] sleger : probably how the MM makes money there, when he gets big positions on one alt, he skews his quotes a lot which cause funding rate to explode and then he rapes the market by cashing in 3x per day the funding rate
[2016-08-20 14:04:16] Thedude : BitMEX_Sam: I know you guys are working on it hope to hear something soon. I know others have felt the same for example: https://www.reddit.com/r/ethtrader/comments/4yg9ne/bitmex_margin_trading/
[2016-08-20 14:09:26] rapidtrades : sleger: did they pay u ur money
[2016-08-20 14:09:45] sleger : of course not yet
[2016-08-20 14:10:58] rapidtrades : did they offer u shares?
[2016-08-20 14:12:33] justinlooking : yo sleger u wanna beta this mm bot when it is ready?
[2016-08-20 14:17:44] sleger : rapidtrades: i havent asked for shares, they didnt suggest it either
[2016-08-20 14:23:59] rapidtrades : sleger: did their reply sound like it was passed through legal? mine sounded like it was written by support with added soundbites
[2016-08-20 14:25:38] sleger : hard to say, in between i'd say
[2016-08-20 14:25:50] sleger : did you reach out to a lawyer like the one you linked to via reddit ?
[2016-08-20 14:26:30] rapidtrades : not yet....was waiting for their reply
[2016-08-20 14:27:05] rapidtrades : will send a few emails later today to the people that were interested like that guy
[2016-08-20 14:28:05] rapidtrades : i doubt that they have a legal team at all...that stu guy is prolly not full time either
[2016-08-20 14:31:00] sleger : probably not
[2016-08-20 14:34:01] rapidtrades : sleger: did u mean that bitfinexlawsuit website? that's likely fake
[2016-08-20 14:34:18] sleger : no, some lawyer in a reddit post you linked to here
[2016-08-20 14:35:30] rapidtrades : ah yes this guy https://www.reddit.com/r/bitfinexcal/comments/4xfnlw/bitfinex_is_probably_liable_to_thier_customers/
[2016-08-20 14:36:31] rapidtrades : i asked him some qs on reddit but he could've been scared off by all the bitfinex shill accounts on there
[2016-08-20 14:37:14] rapidtrades : i will try directly and see if he gave up on it
[2016-08-20 14:38:15] sleger : that was smart free advertising from him
[2016-08-20 14:40:43] rapidtrades : sleger: would u be interested in joining any lawsuit?
[2016-08-20 14:41:09] sleger : lawsuits would be either individual, or as class action, there's no "grouped" lawsuits
[2016-08-20 14:42:25] rapidtrades : not exactly...if HK law applies then class action is not doable...but this is https://www.reddit.com/r/bitfinexcal/comments/4y5f6p/exploring_the_class_action_lawsuit_option/
[2016-08-20 14:42:31] sleger : plus, where you sue depends on where it makes most sense, and that depends on each case
[2016-08-20 14:42:54] rapidtrades : rule on representative proceedings, whereby a claimant may bring a representative action on behalf of a group of claimants where those claimants have the same interest in the proceedings.
[2016-08-20 14:43:29] sleger : not sure HK would be the best place to sue anyways
[2016-08-20 14:43:40] rapidtrades : sleger: i'm leaning toward HK, eve though bitfinex says BVI is their jurisdiction
[2016-08-20 14:44:03] rapidtrades : that's where their license is
[2016-08-20 14:44:41] rapidtrades : they can't operate without their license and will likely get cut off from the banks after they lose it
[2016-08-20 14:46:10] rapidtrades : Bitfinex operates under a Hong Kong corporation, Renrenbee Limited (holder of the MSO license), which is wholly owned by a BVI corporation, iFinex Ltd. (our holding company)
[2016-08-20 14:54:48] rapidtrades : sleger: did u notice how they completely removed the link to bitgo reports? so u can't see if ur segregated wallet got hacked or not
[2016-08-20 14:55:12] sleger : yes
[2016-08-20 14:55:26] sleger : i actually dont know
[2016-08-20 14:56:07] rapidtrades : under reports there was a bitgo reports section...first they made them unavailable now its completely gone
[2016-08-20 15:11:18] rapidtrades : justinlooking: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/4yomg9/chrome_will_remove_chrome_apps_what_will_happen/
[2016-08-20 15:14:14] Rado : VenCap: you can go to Bitfinex so your funds can get stolen. Good luck!
[2016-08-20 15:14:27] Rado : 12 h is perfectly fine
[2016-08-20 15:14:40] Rado : why do you need to withdraw fast? I can't think of a reason
[2016-08-20 15:21:18] justinlooking : rapid: extensions unaffected
[2016-08-20 15:22:59] rapidtrades : justinlooking: ah cool
[2016-08-20 15:30:26] Rado : justinlooking: where can I get it?
[2016-08-20 15:31:02] justinlooking : rado: 2 weeks :P
[2016-08-20 15:33:40] rapidtrades : my bot will be ready in 1 month
[2016-08-20 15:36:24] rapidtrades : although i said that 1 month ago
[2016-08-20 16:02:42] JH : are there any good guides for Git and how to get started running a bot? Whenever I've looked into it, it always is way too complicated
[2016-08-20 16:04:17] Rado : JH: it is complicated
[2016-08-20 16:04:30] Rado : if it was easy everyone will be a millionaire
[2016-08-20 16:06:40] JH : I suppose so, but getting a bot running shouldnt be that hard.. Im sure the genius is in the proper configuration
[2016-08-20 16:10:49] rapidtrades : you'd think that wouldn't u :)
[2016-08-20 17:15:24] ubeyou : hi
[2016-08-20 18:01:45] Waverunner : Hi. How can I contact support? I believe I've had a couple of issues with stop order execution.
[2016-08-20 18:11:11] JH : A BITMEX rep will probably poke around in here
[2016-08-20 18:11:11] JH : at some point
[2016-08-20 18:14:56] Waverunner : Thanks. Would be nice.
[2016-08-20 19:02:40] BitMEX_Wally : Waverunner: Hello, how can I help?
[2016-08-20 19:09:48] BitMEX_Wally : Waverunner: You can email support@bitmex.com
[2016-08-20 19:18:27] zanza : are we mooning today ?
[2016-08-20 19:23:00] macios15 : zanza: jep, or tomorow
[2016-08-20 19:32:02] Waverunner : BitMEX_Wally: Thanks
[2016-08-20 19:32:49] Waverunner : BitMEX_Wally: I had a couple of stop orders not trigger when expected and I wanted to clarify what happened to be sure.
[2016-08-20 19:33:12] Waverunner : O guess an e-mail to support would be the best way to do it, rightr?
[2016-08-20 21:56:57] messiaen8844 : Wally, is BitMEX considering adding Dash here?
[2016-08-20 23:27:37] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 357 @ 581.03
[2016-08-20 23:28:05] JH : is something going on in china?
[2016-08-20 23:28:06] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBJ24H`: Buy 190 @ 58436.0
[2016-08-21 00:14:28] Rado : BitMEX_Wally: do you have banner ads I can use?
[2016-08-21 01:28:37] zanza : jh Chinese food
[2016-08-21 01:36:35] rapidtrades : zanza: sup homie
[2016-08-21 02:27:03] daveberns1 : sup sup
[2016-08-21 02:30:40] tradedollarts : Ok :)
[2016-08-21 03:17:38] CaptainDean : we might some real solid base @ 3900
[2016-08-21 04:27:42] mjones : Has there been any talks about DASH or XMR on this site?
[2016-08-21 04:28:16] mjones : I know the hardest part is finding someone to put orders on both sides
[2016-08-21 05:03:24] CaptainDean : yeah, that's the issue
[2016-08-21 05:21:22] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 100 @ 0.01900
[2016-08-21 12:53:15] premjeraz : BitMEX_Wally: rebalance killing my position, even interest positive and price stands ~same... for example, i opened position for ~0.84 BTC, i got 0.14 funding... price stands almost same, after rebalance which cut my funds from technically 0.98 BTC, to 0.44.. in theory i had 0.29BTC but that was on books, coz wasnt executed.. but after rebalance i had smaller wallet balance, which is makes my margin call much closer..coz is smaller hegde shows bigger leverage... so its bad when after every rebalance system closes your position and opens new one
[2016-08-21 12:54:42] premjeraz : and that 0.44+0.29 make ~0.83, but where is that 0.14 from funding ? that means system takes unrealised loss from account, what if i want to wait ? that system totally rigged....
[2016-08-21 12:55:04] premjeraz : i losing funds on open position
[2016-08-21 12:56:44] premjeraz : that is very bad...... sometimes looks like real ponzi cheme here.... dosnt matter what you do, system cuts your funds
[2016-08-21 12:58:45] premjeraz : i cant get whats wrong with that, i padi for my contracts 0.84 btc, and if i sell them now for same price as i paid its going to be 0.63 BTC
[2016-08-21 12:58:49] premjeraz : how ?
[2016-08-21 12:59:30] BitMEX_Wally : Rebalancing does not change your overall profit or loss, it just moves it into your wallet
[2016-08-21 13:00:52] premjeraz : if position dosnt closed, but they taking from your ccount that "paper loss" which is not taken before...
[2016-08-21 13:01:17] BitMEX_Wally : Every 24 hours your profit since the previous rebalance plus any fees/funding is moved into your wallet via CashRebalance transactions which you can see here: https://www.bitmex.com/app/wallet
[2016-08-21 13:10:39] premjeraz : i see that, but that paper loss was taken from account, what makes my position more vulnelable
[2016-08-21 13:11:20] premjeraz : should be like this.... all my calls because of this rebalance is loss
[2016-08-21 13:11:40] premjeraz : i already lost 0.5 BTC of that rulz...
[2016-08-21 13:11:49] BitMEX_Wally : Let me check your account
[2016-08-21 13:12:01] BitMEX_Wally : This is your LTCXBT position?
[2016-08-21 13:12:05] premjeraz : my account should be 0.98 BTC with 0.29 BTC paper loss, but now are 0.48
[2016-08-21 13:12:15] premjeraz : yes
[2016-08-21 13:13:28] BitMEX_Wally : You don't have cross margin enabled
[2016-08-21 13:13:39] BitMEX_Wally : So your available balance does not affect your liquidation price
[2016-08-21 13:15:12] premjeraz : but how its happend with 0.84 BTC position + 0.14 funding = how its now 0.48 BTC ?
[2016-08-21 13:15:34] BitMEX_Wally : You are long, so you paid funding
[2016-08-21 13:15:53] justinlooking : when was position opened?
[2016-08-21 13:16:46] premjeraz : and how its possible same number contracts cost me 0.84 BTC ? and if i sell for same price im going to get 0.63 BTC ?
[2016-08-21 13:17:07] BitMEX_Wally : Between 2016.08.20 22:05:11.836839000 and 2016.08.21 08:27:47.334702000
[2016-08-21 13:17:08] BitMEX_Wally : UTC
[2016-08-21 13:18:41] premjeraz : BitMEX_Wally: but that rebalance cut makes my account more vulnable
[2016-08-21 13:19:12] BitMEX_Wally : Between your entry price and the first rebalance price of 0.00620 you had -0.2089709 XBT of PNL, minus 0.0745477 XBT of funding and fees so that was in total -0.2899467 XBT
[2016-08-21 13:20:24] BitMEX_Wally : Then between 0.0062 and the current mark price of 0.00622 you have 0.04856 XBT of unrealised PNL. minus 0.0772701 XBT of funding, so in total your pending rebalance is currently -0.0287101 XBT
[2016-08-21 13:20:37] BitMEX_Wally : Rebalancing did not change your liquidation price
[2016-08-21 13:20:43] premjeraz : i see that!!!!
[2016-08-21 13:20:50] premjeraz : problem is not there
[2016-08-21 13:21:12] premjeraz : we dont need tok now everyone abiut my positions
[2016-08-21 13:21:27] BitMEX_Wally : Please email support@bitmex.com to discuss in private
[2016-08-21 13:46:19] Tetsuo : BitMEX_Wally: What´s his liquidation price? I´d like to stop him out, you can also send it to me via e-mail, thanks!
[2016-08-21 13:49:38] justinlooking : haha
[2016-08-21 13:53:40] justinlooking : premjeraz: u kno u can adjust margin assigned to a position at any time? also current balance with open positions marked to mark price is "margin balance" (inside Advanced Margin window).
[2016-08-21 14:13:49] premjeraz : But problem is that, that funds was taken from my account, that position wasnt fixed...so i can be destroyed account because of market even your account can hold that ups and down, bet after rebalance "paper loss" taken from account my your funds smaller..and after any dow ln its going be less and less...so that system makes you loose all your funds sooner or later, even you make good call on long run and your account can take that small daily losses, but with that rebalance its makes you lose
[2016-08-21 14:15:29] JH : COME ON, can the market please move in either direction
[2016-08-21 14:15:56] BitMEX_Wally : premjeraz: I replied to your support ticket to explain that rebalance does not change your liquidation price, but funding payments can
[2016-08-21 14:16:40] BitMEX_Wally : A 25x position is fixed at 4% margin, and the funding comes out of (and is paid into) the fixed margin
[2016-08-21 14:17:17] premjeraz : Im trading on polo and previuosly on bitfinex..i was looking for sonething like this, i was send here 1brc to try it out, but i see there few flaws
[2016-08-21 14:17:54] premjeraz : BitMEX_Wally: ok
[2016-08-21 15:10:21] Rado : BitMEX_Wally: charts not loading for me
[2016-08-21 15:10:35] Rado : BitMEX_Wally: do you have a banner add I can put on my blog?
[2016-08-21 15:29:50] BitMEX_Sam : Rado: We don't - most users generally use the logo & some custom text in a png
[2016-08-21 15:52:48] HackedOnBFX : Hi
[2016-08-21 15:53:27] HackedOnBFX : I'm trying to run the sample market maker bot, and I'm running into an error where the bot stops running after a few minutes. Where can I get some help?
[2016-08-21 16:01:45] BitMEX_Sam : HackedOnBFX: Hi - I can answer some simple questions, but in general the project is not intended to be a working product, but rather an explanation of how to communicate with our API
[2016-08-21 16:07:28] justinlooking : HackedOnBFX: was that u testing on live xbtusd with the rapid flashing 10 lots earlier?
[2016-08-21 16:08:46] nip : BitMEX_Sam: i still havent set up my c# bot here. have anything to make that easier?
[2016-08-21 16:09:42] justinlooking : nip: https://github.com/BitMEX/api-connectors/tree/master/official/csharp altho i haven't used it
[2016-08-21 16:09:44] BitMEX_Sam : nip: We have plenty of documentation under the API section and some autogenerated files from the swagger spec at https://github.com/BitMEX/api-connectors/tree/master/clients/csharp
[2016-08-21 16:09:53] BitMEX_Sam : :+1: @justinlooking
[2016-08-21 16:19:45] HackedOnBFX : justinlooking: they were lots of 100
[2016-08-21 16:20:54] justinlooking : HackedOnBFX: maybe u are hitting rate limit? what do you have update interval set to?
[2016-08-21 16:21:16] HackedOnBFX : i get an error that says: Traceback (most recent call last): file "/usr/lib/python2.7/logging/__init__.py, line 861 in emit
[2016-08-21 16:21:37] HackedOnBFX : and also line 734, 465, and 329 of the same file
[2016-08-21 16:21:52] HackedOnBFX : TypeError: not all arguments converted during string formatting
[2016-08-21 16:22:21] BitMEX_Sam : HackedOnBFX: I recommend running through a few python courses before attempting something like this
[2016-08-21 16:22:23] justinlooking : which line thru that
[2016-08-21 16:22:27] justinlooking : *threw
[2016-08-21 16:22:40] BitMEX_Sam : The MM is not a turnkey bot, it is a starting project - you need significant Python experience to develop a strategy that works
[2016-08-21 16:22:50] justinlooking : pffft yolo!
[2016-08-21 16:25:24] HackedOnBFX : BitMEX_Sam: ok
[2016-08-21 16:25:31] HackedOnBFX : justinlooking: its playing with small money
[2016-08-21 16:26:08] justinlooking : HackedOnBFX: do pastebin of traceback
[2016-08-21 16:26:54] HackedOnBFX : ill take a screencap
[2016-08-21 16:28:41] HackedOnBFX : https://imgur.com/a/pnC2F
[2016-08-21 16:30:11] justinlooking : ok will take a look
[2016-08-21 16:30:38] justinlooking : also, is ur repo at current master?
[2016-08-21 16:30:40] justinlooking : (git pull)
[2016-08-21 16:32:48] justinlooking : is ur line453 of market_maker.py: `logger.error(self.start_position_buy, self.start_position_sell)` ?
[2016-08-21 16:33:35] HackedOnBFX : yes i cloned the git like a day ago
[2016-08-21 16:35:26] HackedOnBFX : yes thats line 453
[2016-08-21 16:43:33] justinlooking : it looks like you have MIN_SPREAD set too low
[2016-08-21 16:44:01] justinlooking : HackedOnBFX: what's it set to?
[2016-08-21 16:45:08] HackedOnBFX : really low
[2016-08-21 16:45:10] HackedOnBFX : like 0.00001
[2016-08-21 16:46:18] justinlooking : well that's the problem then
[2016-08-21 16:46:30] HackedOnBFX : thanks!
[2016-08-21 16:46:34] HackedOnBFX : ill try running it again
[2016-08-21 16:47:19] justinlooking : arguably, the MM should hadn't that better and print a more useful error message
[2016-08-21 16:47:24] justinlooking : *handle
[2016-08-21 16:49:57] HackedOnBFX : yea
[2016-08-21 16:50:00] HackedOnBFX : i think its working now!
[2016-08-21 17:34:32] JH : Withdrawals are only processed once a day?
[2016-08-21 17:34:35] JH : no way to get it faster?
[2016-08-21 17:34:42] JH : If low amount
[2016-08-21 17:53:52] BitMEX_Sam : JH: No, all withdrawals are done from cold storage and require a majority of partners to manually sign
[2016-08-21 17:53:59] BitMEX_Sam : This is done for users' and the exchange's protection
[2016-08-21 18:09:22] Rado : BitMEX_Sam: best feature ever :-)
[2016-08-21 18:09:33] Rado : JH: you've got to wait man
[2016-08-21 18:09:46] Rado : what's the rush to get the funds out?
[2016-08-21 18:09:56] Rado : I am yet to hear a good reason from a user
[2016-08-21 18:11:58] justinlooking : tumbling lol
[2016-08-21 19:40:08] REKT : Liquidated long on `LTCXBT`: Sell 1974 @ 0.00618
[2016-08-21 19:50:01] premjeraz : anyone from BITMEX
[2016-08-21 19:50:06] premjeraz : !!!!
[2016-08-21 19:51:58] premjeraz : i just ben owned by BITMEX, WTF ?
[2016-08-21 19:53:41] premjeraz : my LTCXBT was liquidated for price where is no orders like that
[2016-08-21 19:54:14] premjeraz : and after when one of Bitmex staff who revealed some data about my orders
[2016-08-21 19:54:37] premjeraz : i just lost about 0.6 BTC, not toking about 0.5 of rebalancig
[2016-08-21 19:54:53] BitMEX_Sam : premjeraz: Once again, rebalance does *not* affect your actual PNL, it simply moves PNL from the unrealized to the realized column
[2016-08-21 19:55:05] BitMEX_Sam : As for your liquidation, the underlying index moved down which caused the liquidation
[2016-08-21 19:55:42] premjeraz : BitMEX_Sam: my liquidation price is 603, but before was 618, but there is no such price in that time
[2016-08-21 19:55:51] BitMEX_Sam : All products on BitMEX use the index price, not the mark price, for the purpose of liquidations. This prevents manipulation on our markets - if you want to move the market and shake out stops/liquidations, you have to move the underlying index
[2016-08-21 19:56:27] premjeraz : and problem price wasnt moved that low
[2016-08-21 19:56:33] BitMEX_Sam : I can reconstruct the liquidation information for us if you email support@bitmex.com
[2016-08-21 20:01:35] premjeraz : BitMEX_Sam: i see i was scammed... and maybe there with BitMEX_Wally help, coz he there reveled some data about my holdings
[2016-08-21 20:01:44] BitMEX_Sam : premjeraz: You were not scammed.
[2016-08-21 20:02:01] BitMEX_Sam : As you asked, I am writing you an email with specific details, please be patient.
[2016-08-21 20:02:35] premjeraz : BitMEX_Sam: ok, im wairting... and im making my side full story
[2016-08-21 20:09:27] BitMEX_Sam : You have an email.
[2016-08-21 20:12:55] premjeraz : BitMEX_Sam: ok then now..
[2016-08-21 20:13:29] HackedOnBFX : https://imgur.com/a/5eu3H
[2016-08-21 20:13:32] HackedOnBFX : Anyone got any clue?
[2016-08-21 20:15:42] premjeraz : after rebalanced, my count had 0.48 btc 2428 contracts with rebalance price 0.00620, so on 0.00617 should be -0.0728, not 0.5 BTC, and why my contracts wsliquidated at 603, there in recent trades ar no such price in that list shows everything was liqudated fot 621-615
[2016-08-21 20:15:55] premjeraz : BitMEX_Sam: !
[2016-08-21 20:17:16] premjeraz : im totally was scammed.. i see no explonation for that
[2016-08-21 20:19:25] BitMEX_Sam : premjeraz: Please re-read the email. 0.00603 was your bankruptcy price, *not* your liquidation price
[2016-08-21 20:19:27] BitMEX_Sam : The two are very different.
[2016-08-21 20:20:16] BitMEX_Sam : LTCXBT has a Maintenance Margin requirement of 2%. Your account had less than 2% at a price of 0.00617 so it was liquidated.
[2016-08-21 20:20:37] BTCDJS : Huh? There's a bankruptcy price?
[2016-08-21 20:21:04] BitMEX_Sam : HackedOnBFX: That is actually our issue, at rebalance time the markets go to "Closed" while the rebalance calculations and other settlements are done, then back "Open".
[2016-08-21 20:21:14] BitMEX_Sam : BTCDJS: Bankruptcy Price is the price at which you hold 0 equity
[2016-08-21 20:21:34] BitMEX_Sam : All margined platforms liquidate you before your bankruptcy price, because if they waited until you had 0 equity it would be virtually guaranteeing a systemic loss
[2016-08-21 20:22:42] Rado : BitMEX_Sam: can you give me an idea of the % of the position compared to the full balance of the account
[2016-08-21 20:22:48] Rado : when this liquidations happen
[2016-08-21 20:23:03] Rado : are people using 100% of their balance on a position?
[2016-08-21 20:23:32] BitMEX_Sam : Rado: I'm not sure I understand your question.
[2016-08-21 20:23:51] BitMEX_Sam : When a liquidation happens, the user either has isolated margin (chosen a leverage), or simply run out of margin in the whole account.
[2016-08-21 20:23:54] Rado : I never have issues with liquidations
[2016-08-21 20:24:01] Rado : I was wondering why a lot of people do
[2016-08-21 20:24:40] BitMEX_Sam : In the case of this last liquidation, 2428 contracts are valued at 14.61 XBT
[2016-08-21 20:25:20] Rado : and how much did the underling move?
[2016-08-21 20:25:47] BitMEX_Sam : Not by much, but at high leverage it doesn't take much. It depends on whether or not the position was already in profit or loss
[2016-08-21 20:26:19] BTCDJS : BitMEX_Sam: so if someone holds 1xbt but trades with 0.3. If they keep holding a losing position they can get bankrupt? Even if not on crossed margin?
[2016-08-21 20:26:29] Rado : so my guess is that account did not have more than 1 or 2 BTC
[2016-08-21 20:26:44] BitMEX_Sam : BTCDJS: Say you open a 50x position, isolated margin, with a value of 10 XBT
[2016-08-21 20:27:05] BitMEX_Sam : On 50x contracts initial margin is 2% and maintenance margin is 1%. That means you need 2% to open and at least 1% to hold.
[2016-08-21 20:27:33] BitMEX_Sam : So if you open with isolated margin, it takes 0.2 XBT to open and that is allocated to the position. Once you lose 0.1 XBT it is liquidated. That's only 1%.
[2016-08-21 20:27:54] BitMEX_Sam : If you went with cross margin, your whole account is used to back the position, so you would survive up to a 9% move with 1 XBT in the account.
[2016-08-21 20:28:12] Rado : ah I get it now
[2016-08-21 20:28:20] Rado : people use isolated margin
[2016-08-21 20:28:27] Rado : all my trades are using cross
[2016-08-21 20:28:30] BitMEX_Sam : Isolated margin is a way to limit overall loss, but it is riskier than using cross.
[2016-08-21 20:28:39] Rado : and I have stop orders
[2016-08-21 20:28:49] Rado : so my stop hits well before any liquidation
[2016-08-21 20:29:12] Rado : basically guys you need to manage risk by calculating how much of your account balance are you willing to lose on a trade
[2016-08-21 20:29:27] BitMEX_Sam : Right.
[2016-08-21 20:30:02] Rado : unless you want to gamble accounts the size of less than 1 BTC
[2016-08-21 20:30:08] Rado : I will still not trade like that
[2016-08-21 20:30:15] BTCDJS : BitMEX_Sam: K. I suppose stops are very important as well as exiting a losing trade
[2016-08-21 20:30:42] BitMEX_Sam : Yes, stops are very important, as is keeping an eye on your liquidation price.
[2016-08-21 20:30:50] BitMEX_Sam : High leverage is a tool, not an obligation.
[2016-08-21 20:32:22] BTCDJS : I used to use 50x all the time. Now I use much lower leverage.
[2016-08-21 20:32:50] HackedOnBFX : BitMEX_Sam: what can i do about that?
[2016-08-21 20:33:07] HackedOnBFX : possible to set a cron job to periodically check if its running?
[2016-08-21 20:33:13] BitMEX_Sam : HackedOnBFX: You could add code to ignore the closed state, or wait for more than a single tick to consider the market closed.
[2016-08-21 20:33:40] BitMEX_Sam : Yes, managing your bot moving in and out due to hitting risk limits, delta limits, etc., and monitoring your delta is imperative but outside the scope of that example project
[2016-08-21 20:35:03] HackedOnBFX : BitMEX_Sam: the relist interval?
[2016-08-21 20:35:20] BitMEX_Sam : What's your question?
[2016-08-21 20:35:50] HackedOnBFX : you said or wait for more than a single tick to consider the market closed
[2016-08-21 20:36:09] BitMEX_Sam : Yes. The bot operates at a tick rate
[2016-08-21 20:36:22] esuvari : BitMEX_Sam: I have a question about risk limits
[2016-08-21 20:36:25] justinlooking : HackedOnBFX: u can comment out lines 169-171. and add a sleep(10) instead
[2016-08-21 20:36:30] BitMEX_Sam : That's very different than the relist interval, which is a timestamp used for daily and weekly relisting futures like ETC7D
[2016-08-21 20:36:36] BitMEX_Sam : esuvari: Go ahead
[2016-08-21 20:37:19] esuvari : so if you increase your risk limit, essentially it just decreases the amount of leverage you can use, is that all?
[2016-08-21 20:37:40] rapidtrades : BTCDJS: how's it going? haven't seen u here in a while
[2016-08-21 20:37:41] premjeraz : BitMEX_Sam: https://s3.postimg.org/w4qf876ar/bitmaxscam.jpg
[2016-08-21 20:37:43] esuvari : because the estimated liquidation level does not get affected due to the risk limit
[2016-08-21 20:37:46] premjeraz : explain me
[2016-08-21 20:38:40] BitMEX_Sam : premjeraz: I gave you a full explanation in the email, I suggest you read it carefully because it appears you are not grasping the core concepts of how margining works.
[2016-08-21 20:38:43] esuvari : which I don't understand because it's supposed to affect your maintenance margin, (hence, your liquidation level). What am I missing here?
[2016-08-21 20:39:18] BitMEX_Sam : premjeraz: I explained to you twice that 0.00603 was your bankruptcy price, *not* your liquidation price. Your liquidation price was 0.00617 which was hit on Poloniex, the reference exchange for LTCXBT.
[2016-08-21 20:39:38] BTCDJS : rapidtrades: good mate. I've been trading but kept out of the troll box
[2016-08-21 20:39:39] BitMEX_Sam : esuvari: Yes, risk limits decrease your maximum leverage.
[2016-08-21 20:39:55] premjeraz : BitMEX_Sam: but the why i lost 0.4999 BTC
[2016-08-21 20:40:03] premjeraz : there sould be 0.07 only
[2016-08-21 20:40:05] BitMEX_Sam : esuvari: It is an intentional mechanism to prevent a few traders from being able to amass very large positions and cause a large loss.
[2016-08-21 20:40:18] BitMEX_Sam : premjeraz: The maintenance margin on LTCXBT is 2%, which is lost when the position is liquidated.
[2016-08-21 20:40:56] BitMEX_Sam : Also, rebalance is not every 8 hours, it is every 24 hours, and is distinct from funding.
[2016-08-21 20:41:04] BitMEX_Sam : You were *paying* 0.07 XBT, not receiving it.
[2016-08-21 20:41:07] esuvari : BitMEX_Sam: but not your liquidation levels? so a trade of 15x on a 100xbt risk limit has the same liq. level as a 15x 550xbt risk limit. but isn't it supposed to increase your maintenance margin percentage as well?
[2016-08-21 20:41:07] HackedOnBFX : justinlooking: do that in settings.py?
[2016-08-21 20:41:37] BitMEX_Sam : esuvari: It does, but only if your position is actually that size.
[2016-08-21 20:41:56] justinlooking : no in market_maker.py, in the check_market_open funciton
[2016-08-21 20:41:58] BitMEX_Sam : esuvari: The engine attempts to prevent liquidation at all costs, so your maintenance margin % only rises when your position is actually above the threshold.
[2016-08-21 20:42:15] esuvari : ok I see now
[2016-08-21 20:43:15] premjeraz : but @BitMEX_Sam , now im really confused...... when funding 0.5493 im paying ? when is negative im payintgtoo ? i pad for negative funding rates on FCT and XBT, now is positive... before i got two times+0.07 positive funding
[2016-08-21 20:43:29] esuvari : so the "estimated" liquidation price (one that appears when you hover the order button) does not actually estimate accurately
[2016-08-21 20:43:45] BitMEX_Sam : premjeraz: When you are long, and funding is positive, you pay.
[2016-08-21 20:43:50] BitMEX_Sam : When you are short, and funding is positive, you receive.
[2016-08-21 20:44:08] BitMEX_Sam : I'm seeing that you receive funding on that earlier FCT trade.
[2016-08-21 20:50:29] HackedOnBFX : getting an error about the sleep(10)
[2016-08-21 20:52:28] justinlooking : HackedOnBFX: screenshot ur mod for me?
[2016-08-21 20:55:42] HackedOnBFX : https://imgur.com/a/Xedcs
[2016-08-21 20:55:54] HackedOnBFX : I tried just sleep(10) also, but tried time.sleep when that didnt work
[2016-08-21 20:56:10] esuvari : BitMEX_Sam: wouldn't it be better if the "estimated liq. level" to show the actual accurate liq. level, calculated based on the risk limit you have?
[2016-08-21 20:56:31] BitMEX_Sam : esuvari: I agree, I'll add that as a bug
[2016-08-21 20:56:44] justinlooking : HackedOnBFX: u need to indent it one more level
[2016-08-21 20:57:11] esuvari : it says 200000 contracts (long, 580 entry) has a liq. level of 557 when it's actually 571, due to the increased maintenance margin
[2016-08-21 20:57:43] justinlooking : python uses indentation for scoping, rather than {} in c-like languages
[2016-08-21 20:58:13] HackedOnBFX : justinlooking: thank you!
[2016-08-21 20:58:25] esuvari : BitMEX_Sam: that would be fantastic, thank you
[2016-08-21 20:59:34] premjeraz : BitMEX_Sam: https://s10.postimg.org/tlad13qq1/bitmaxs2.png
[2016-08-21 21:00:51] BitMEX_Sam : premjeraz: Look very closely at the first row. See the `-`?
[2016-08-21 21:01:05] BitMEX_Sam : Also, please re-read my messages to you, I said that if you are long and funding is positive, you pay.
[2016-08-21 21:01:25] BitMEX_Sam : Notice the title of that column is `Fee Paid`.
[2016-08-21 21:01:32] premjeraz : BitMEX_Sam: but look in to that... there should be some error, how after rebalance when system cut 0.29 btc loses... my first exec.price was 629, then rebalance cut loss form my account -.29 btc, then rebalance pricec is 0.00620 and then 0.00617 margin call? how ?
[2016-08-21 21:01:37] BitMEX_Sam : So if it is positive, you've paid, negative, you've received.
[2016-08-21 21:01:53] BitMEX_Sam : Ignore the rebalance, it doesn't affect your profitability.
[2016-08-21 21:02:06] BitMEX_Sam : You entered at 629, paid funding twice, and your position lost a little over 1% of its value.
[2016-08-21 21:02:21] BitMEX_Sam : You were at full leverage (25x), so a 2% move was enough to liquidate you.
[2016-08-21 21:03:02] premjeraz : but look in that, there was rebalance 10hours ago, there already cut los 0.29 btc, then after my exec price is 620
[2016-08-21 21:03:29] BitMEX_Sam : Again, ignore the rebalance.
[2016-08-21 21:04:09] BitMEX_Sam : The difference between 0.00629 and 0.00617 is just about 2%.
[2016-08-21 21:05:54] premjeraz : but when was before rebalance my margin call was 606, then after rebalance cut 0.29 and set exec price at 620, and my 2428 contracs was worth at 0.48 btc
[2016-08-21 21:07:43] premjeraz : rebalance cut my hedge and moved margin call closer so market price... but how? if already took from me 0.29 btc, then i lost hedge.... its like 24hours contracts
[2016-08-21 21:09:25] premjeraz : after 13h rebalance... i had smaller amount of btc, coz rebalance took my paper loss in to real, then after... they changed my exec. price to 620, which was small gap between 617 and 620
[2016-08-21 21:11:12] premjeraz : that 617 margin call was to close to my price... that momemnt after rebalance price was 620.. and dont tell me different, im just believe there was mistake..some miscalculation or something
[2016-08-21 21:12:31] premjeraz : 0.4999 was taken from my account.... that 620 to 617 was too small to lose everything with 2428 contracts, there shoud be ~~0.07 btc, not 0.4999
[2016-08-21 21:14:18] BitMEX_Sam : The difference in your liquidation price was due to funding, not rebalance.
[2016-08-21 21:14:33] BitMEX_Sam : Again, rebalance **does not** affect your profitability. Ignore it.
[2016-08-21 21:14:43] BitMEX_Sam : There was not a mistake.
[2016-08-21 21:15:08] BitMEX_Sam : A rebalance doesn't refill your position with margin. In the drop from 629 to 620, you had already lost 1.5% of your position's value.
[2016-08-21 21:15:15] BitMEX_Sam : You only had 0.5% remaining.
[2016-08-21 21:16:24] premjeraz : affects...... im saying in first liquidation price was not 617, but 606... after when rebalance took 0.29, there was smaller funs and liquidation price ws chanced to 617
[2016-08-21 21:18:41] premjeraz : u just look in to logs or something... there wasnt 617 liquid price in first
[2016-08-21 21:19:10] premjeraz : my 0.4999 was taken without reason
[2016-08-21 21:21:04] BitMEX_Sam : > The difference in your liquidation price was due to funding, not rebalance.
[2016-08-21 21:30:32] premjeraz : BitMEX_Sam: i cnt believe in what you saying..... how i can be like that was 621 the was at that moment 0.52 btc (+0.002 PNL), then is 617 and its gonne
[2016-08-21 21:31:55] premjeraz : ok, i see that goes nowhere.... there social networks, forums.. maybe i there going to find something.
[2016-08-21 21:32:10] BitMEX_Sam : If you would wait just a minute you might get a response.
[2016-08-21 21:32:15] BitMEX_Sam : Take your time, read carefully.
[2016-08-21 21:32:31] premjeraz : BitMEX_Sam: ok waiting
[2016-08-21 21:36:51] BitMEX_Sam : Do you want me to continue here or email you privately?
[2016-08-21 21:37:19] premjeraz : BitMEX_Sam: we can privately
[2016-08-21 21:37:29] BitMEX_Sam : Ok. I'll send you another email.
[2016-08-21 21:37:34] premjeraz : ok
[2016-08-21 21:43:16] Tetsuo : premjeraz: u got bitmexed, deal with it
[2016-08-21 21:44:42] Tetsuo : also, never touch the chickun
[2016-08-21 21:46:52] premjeraz : Tetsuo: i cant, i was lucky with bitfinex... couple days before that i took my funds from there... and i was lucky with mintpal, took everything few days before, with cryptsy to...
[2016-08-21 21:47:27] premjeraz : after when i lost my first 68 btc at mt.gox
[2016-08-21 21:50:01] Tetsuo : sooner or later everything will collapse
[2016-08-21 22:31:29] rapidtrades : i feel like we're on a death watch now
[2016-08-21 22:31:44] rapidtrades : waiting for buttfinex to finally drop
[2016-08-21 23:06:09] premjeraz : BitMEX_Sam: check email
[2016-08-21 23:07:10] miramm1115 : premjeraz: you probably were on 25x isolated margin. on isolated margin your liquidation price is not affected by account margin and not affected by rebalance. it's only affected by funding because funding is deducted from amount of margin backing up your position
[2016-08-21 23:07:27] miramm1115 : *not affected by account balance
[2016-08-21 23:08:53] miramm1115 : never use full 25x, you will get liquidated with 99% probability
[2016-08-21 23:10:35] miramm1115 : you might survive 25x on btc but not on alts
[2016-08-21 23:16:29] 72monkey : Is the xbt perpetual swap chartable on tradingview? how do I find it
[2016-08-21 23:17:25] premjeraz : miramm1115: @BitMEX_Sam and others, where im wrong ? https://s13.postimg.org/jp25oy2nb/bitmex.jpg
[2016-08-21 23:18:20] premjeraz : coz the i cant get where that 0.195 btc if that pay not "resets" my exec price to 620
[2016-08-21 23:21:28] zanza : premjeraz: I'm fairly sure their system is working correctly, did you try to look over the info again ?
[2016-08-21 23:24:40] premjeraz : zanza: been looking over and over... some facts dont fit for me... im still looking for answers...
[2016-08-21 23:26:11] miramm1115 : premjeraz: how much funding did you pay while holding this position? check account -> trade history, funding transactions
[2016-08-21 23:26:14] zanza : what is your question exactly?
[2016-08-21 23:27:48] premjeraz : miramm1115: 0.63 BTC
[2016-08-21 23:30:00] miramm1115 : impossible, your position value was 15 btc and funding was 0.5% for ltcxbt
[2016-08-21 23:30:32] premjeraz : miramm1115: what impossible ?
[2016-08-21 23:32:12] premjeraz : a u mean funding... i paid 0.15 btc
[2016-08-21 23:32:19] miramm1115 : how long did you hold that position? you didn't pay 0.63 btc funding, it's 4% value of your position
[2016-08-21 23:32:55] premjeraz : i paid fundin twice, one is 0.077, another 0.074 btc
[2016-08-21 23:34:08] miramm1115 : yes, this looks right
[2016-08-21 23:41:50] premjeraz : miramm1115: which part is right ?
[2016-08-21 23:45:30] jesperf : seriously, premjeraz, if you had actually done you english homework in school you would not have had this problem today
[2016-08-21 23:46:38] miramm1115 : funding looks right. here is what happened. you opened position with 15.272 XBT value. 2% maintenance margin was reserved for your position. 2% of 15.272 is 0.305 XBT
[2016-08-21 23:47:19] premjeraz : jesperf: thanks
[2016-08-21 23:47:33] jesperf : we all make mistakes. expensive mistakes hopefully make us avoid them in the future
[2016-08-21 23:47:41] miramm1115 : from that 0.305 XBT you paid 0.151 XBT funding, so you had only 0.154 XBT margin left
[2016-08-21 23:49:25] premjeraz : im funding paid from 0.84
[2016-08-21 23:50:56] miramm1115 : fee to close position is 0.075%, so it's another 0.011 XBT, leaving only 0.143 XBT margin for your position. your liquidation price is much worse when you have 0.143 XBT margin compared to 0.305 XBT margin when you opened your position
[2016-08-21 23:51:37] premjeraz : in account was (0.84 - 0.63 btc contracts, later was) - 0.2899 rebalance (which includes 0.077 btc funding fee and -0.195 btc i think is for closing gap loss to 620 if not the WTF was 0.195 BTC taken from me?)
[2016-08-21 23:52:59] premjeraz : what close position? i didnt close, there was force liquidation
[2016-08-21 23:54:29] jesperf : so you don't think you have to pay fees in a forced liquidation?
[2016-08-21 23:55:17] miramm1115 : when your position is liquidated you lose full maintenance margin
[2016-08-21 23:56:38] miramm1115 : if position with 15 XBT value is liquidated, you are losing 0.6 XBT
[2016-08-21 23:56:54] miramm1115 : plus whatever funding you paid
[2016-08-21 23:58:22] miramm1115 : it's very easy: LTCXBT 25x margin, 15 / 25 = 0.6
[2016-08-21 23:59:20] miramm1115 : you lost your bet, all 4% gone
[2016-08-21 23:59:30] premjeraz : jesperf: no, i have to.. but im saying that position shouldnt be liquidated.... if not that -0.195 BTC after rebalance, which who f**ks know for what? if this for loss from 629, to 620.. then shounb be liquidated, coz price have to resest to 620, but not leave at 629, then market dip from 620 to 617, have to make account with 0.41 BTC, so have to be enough room do not make force liquidation
[2016-08-22 00:00:09] premjeraz : miri @miramm1115 , then explain me where that 0.195 BTC gone ?
[2016-08-22 00:03:26] miramm1115 : was 0.195 BTC rebalance? doesn't matter, it doesn't affect anything. your total loss for that position should be 0.6 + 0.151. if you add up funding, that rebalance and final liquidation loss you will get 0.751
[2016-08-22 00:04:16] premjeraz : how is dont matter ?before rebalance was 0.84 after 0.55 BTC
[2016-08-22 00:04:57] miramm1115 : I told you, your account balance doesn't affect liquidation price. You could have 100 BTC in your account and you would still get liquidated
[2016-08-22 00:06:21] jesperf : reading this is making me stupid
[2016-08-22 00:09:06] premjeraz : miramm1115: lets say its like that.... so then 0.6315 @ 629 when its falls to 617 is -0.2914 BTC = so its has 0.3401 BTC value
[2016-08-22 00:11:45] premjeraz : but then where the f*ck gone this 0.2899 BTC for rebalancing ? okey there -0.0746 BTC funding, so still missing 0.215 BTC
[2016-08-22 00:12:52] jesperf : do you even know why there is a rebalance? do you know what it means?
[2016-08-22 00:13:29] premjeraz : jesperf: why ?
[2016-08-22 00:14:45] jesperf : i take that as a no
[2016-08-22 00:15:29] premjeraz : and take answer, like we never find where that funds gone...
[2016-08-22 00:15:35] premjeraz : coz they PUFF and gone
[2016-08-22 00:16:34] jesperf : no, if you had assigned more margin to your position you would have avoided it
[2016-08-22 00:16:55] jesperf : you were dancing on the edge and fell down
[2016-08-22 00:17:32] jesperf : sometimes you're lucky but no luck lasts forever
[2016-08-22 00:24:28] premjeraz : for still sounds not convincing,.. even this simple 0.84 - 0.63, then 0.21 BTC like hedge.. then 0.63 - 0.29 (price drop from 629 to 617) left 0.34 btc + 0.21 = 0.55 BTC total - 0.15 BTC (funding fee 0.077+0.074btc) = 0.40 btc, not 0.31 btc, its -1.46% (x25) loss not 2% (x25).. but without that 0.215 btc.. its gone..
[2016-08-22 00:36:13] miramm1115 : @premjeraz no offense, but if you don't understand isolated margin you shouldn't use it. or do smaller trades until you understand
[2016-08-22 00:41:21] premjeraz : miramm1115: then u can explain me whats happend with that 0.215 BTC ?
[2016-08-22 00:56:11] miramm1115 : I have no idea what 0.215 BTC you are talking about
[2016-08-22 01:08:31] premjeraz : miramm1115: im telling you, there was 0.84 btc in account, all contracts cost me 0.63 btc
[2016-08-22 01:09:36] premjeraz : after first rebalance wallet value went down to 0.55btc
[2016-08-22 01:17:07] zanza : just look carefully in your account page premjeraz
[2016-08-22 01:17:27] zanza : we don't see all your information so we can't help you that much
[2016-08-22 01:17:36] zanza : but Bitmex system works fine
[2016-08-22 01:24:10] miramm1115 : premjeraz: can you post a screenshot of your account page?
[2016-08-22 01:28:00] miramm1115 : anyway, I'm out. happy trading everyone
[2016-08-22 03:49:57] blackwhite : Bitmex, how is LTCXBT settled? I can't see such pair on Poloniex.
[2016-08-22 03:59:18] Rado : blackwhite: on poloniex it's LTCBTC
[2016-08-22 04:00:40] Rado : XBT is the ISO currency code for Bitcoin
[2016-08-22 04:00:50] Rado : but most exchanges still use BTC
[2016-08-22 04:00:58] Rado : BitMEX and Kraken use XBT
[2016-08-22 06:41:42] rapidtrades : good morning fellas
[2016-08-22 07:35:43] Kalman : rapidtrades: dito
[2016-08-22 08:00:25] Tetsuo : Monero=moon
[2016-08-22 09:39:20] muirtastic : I can't believe BFX is still as high as it is
[2016-08-22 09:39:32] muirtastic : Going to have to take a loss on my short on Fri but will probably reshort it
[2016-08-22 09:44:55] Boontjie : The documentation on ltcxbt still states it gets the rates from BFX, this still correct?
[2016-08-22 09:53:09] BitMEX_Arthur : Boontjie: What page are you looking at
[2016-08-22 09:53:19] BitMEX_Arthur : LTCXBT uses Poloniex as the reference index
[2016-08-22 10:19:07] Boontjie : contracts, ltcxbt. Click on the indices
[2016-08-22 10:19:22] Boontjie : LTCXBT uses a Premium Index to calculate funding rates. The underlying interest rates are quoted in the .LTCBON8H Index and .XBTBON8H Index, and the premium rate is quoted in the .LTCXBTPI8H Index. These are used to calculate the final funding rate.
[2016-08-22 10:19:58] Boontjie : The BitMEX .LTCBON8H Index is a 8-hour TWAP of the Litecoin lending rate at Bitfinex ending at 12:00 UTC from the .LTCBON Index. These values are used for funding rates and are provided 8 hours in advance.
[2016-08-22 10:26:42] BitMEX_Arthur : Boontjie: Ah you are referring to the funding calculations, while we are grabbing data from Bitfinex for those indices, the premium index will be the determining factor of the funding, the premium index is based solely on where the swap trades vs. the poloniex spot price
[2016-08-22 10:27:27] BitMEX_Arthur : We are in the process of migrating the funding indices away from Bitfinex
[2016-08-22 10:27:54] Boontjie : Also to polo I would guess, the only other place I can see lending
[2016-08-22 10:28:55] Boontjie : By the way, is the impact bid and impact ask price, the weighted ask and bid prices?
[2016-08-22 10:32:56] BitMEX_Arthur : Can you point me to the specific document you are referencing for this question
[2016-08-22 10:40:21] Boontjie : https://www.bitmex.com/app/swapsGuide#premium-index
[2016-08-22 10:40:26] Boontjie : Just search for impact
[2016-08-22 10:48:37] BitMEX_Arthur : Yes they are the same thing, thanks for bringing that to my attention, we are in the process of updating all the documentation
[2016-08-22 10:57:45] Boontjie : Ok can you add the initial margin constraints for the alts too. So you can determine the impact size for each alt
[2016-08-22 10:58:14] Boontjie : e.g. XBT Chain Initial Margin Impact Margin Notional Swap 2% 0.1 XBT / 0.02 = 5 XBT
[2016-08-22 10:59:22] Boontjie : Unless you refer to the initial margin the contract details
[2016-08-22 10:59:51] BitMEX_Arthur : Good suggestion
[2016-08-22 11:07:19] muirtastic : When we save our "Trade History" as CSV, why doesn't it include the column "Fee Paid"?
[2016-08-22 11:08:26] muirtastic : I don't see the "Value" column either so can't even calculate the Fee Paid in excel
[2016-08-22 11:09:46] muirtastic : If you could add these somehow, it would be a big help and save us time with paperwork and time is money, of course. Thanks
[2016-08-22 11:16:18] BitMEX_Wally : muirtastic: The fee paid column is `execComm` in the CSV
[2016-08-22 11:16:30] BitMEX_Wally : The value column is `execCost`
[2016-08-22 11:21:38] muirtastic : That number doesn't match up when I export and then open the CSV with Excel
[2016-08-22 11:22:22] BitMEX_Wally : The number in the CSV is raw Satoshis
[2016-08-22 11:22:41] BitMEX_Wally : The number in the frontend is shown in Bitcoin to 4 decimal places
[2016-08-22 11:23:20] muirtastic : ok thanks...that might work and I can convert it back and go from there. I will try it
[2016-08-22 11:23:54] BitMEX_Wally : No problem, let me know if I can help
[2016-08-22 11:24:12] muirtastic : ok yes looks like it should work
[2016-08-22 12:07:55] Mm bot : BItcoin 0.13 released, moon?
[2016-08-22 12:34:12] rapidtrades : yeah..no
[2016-08-22 13:24:37] Spofas : BitMEX_Wally: any plans to add XMR?
[2016-08-22 13:40:49] BitMEX_Greg : Spofas: We are going over the volumes to see if it makes sense.
[2016-08-22 13:48:23] Spofas : will very likely have more volume than LTC and A50
[2016-08-22 14:12:12] rapidtrades : man these stupid tokens
[2016-08-22 14:27:15] macios15 : i see bright moon to 4k cny
[2016-08-22 14:30:13] rapidtrades : good for u cos i see nothing
[2016-08-22 14:30:27] CaptainDean : we are not able to to broke the 3900 barrier
[2016-08-22 14:30:32] CaptainDean : brake*
[2016-08-22 14:30:48] rapidtrades : noone cares about CNY barries
[2016-08-22 14:33:48] CaptainDean : macios15: Forget Rapid, he likes the bad attitude
[2016-08-22 14:34:14] siarule : can i buy bfx or only contract for bfx (bfxq)?
[2016-08-22 14:34:23] macios15 : CaptainDean: im mostly bearish too, but not now
[2016-08-22 14:34:47] rapidtrades : siarule: only go long the futures, expires on friday
[2016-08-22 14:35:24] macios15 : at least 4500 this week
[2016-08-22 14:35:36] rapidtrades : buttfinex has not made the tokens transferable yet
[2016-08-22 14:36:33] siarule : thx
[2016-08-22 14:43:19] Rado : rapidtrades: no one has listed them either
[2016-08-22 14:45:12] rapidtrades : u can't list em if u can't deposit em
[2016-08-22 14:45:34] rapidtrades : Rado: what's a good safe console for python?
[2016-08-22 14:45:45] Rado : safe?
[2016-08-22 14:45:57] Rado : what do you want to do?
[2016-08-22 14:47:11] Rado : I use $10 VPS at https://www.digitalocean.com/pricing/
[2016-08-22 14:47:20] rapidtrades : idk safe as in just do the coding job....don't connect online if not needed...don't open any new venues of attack
[2016-08-22 14:47:32] Rado : you can try all kinds of stuff and then destroy them if it doesn't work
[2016-08-22 14:47:47] rapidtrades : Rado: no i meant for the actual coding...like notepad++
[2016-08-22 14:47:53] Rado : ahh
[2016-08-22 14:48:00] Rado : do you use windows or mac?
[2016-08-22 14:48:04] rapidtrades : win
[2016-08-22 14:48:40] Rado : Sublime and Atom
[2016-08-22 14:49:15] rapidtrades : cool so i pick one of those?
[2016-08-22 14:49:30] Rado : yep
[2016-08-22 14:49:44] Rado : maybe install them both and see which one you like better
[2016-08-22 14:50:18] Rado : https://www.psd2html.com/blog/sublime-text-vs-atom.html
[2016-08-22 14:50:23] Rado : this guy is comparing them
[2016-08-22 14:51:32] rapidtrades : thanks i'll take a look
[2016-08-22 14:51:36] Rado : np
[2016-08-22 14:53:00] Rado : BTC volume very low
[2016-08-22 14:53:03] Rado : boring
[2016-08-22 14:53:15] Rado : rapidtrades: are you building a bot?
[2016-08-22 15:19:05] Rado : rapidtrades: did you see this news?
[2016-08-22 15:19:06] Rado : http://www.coindesk.com/bitfinex-equity-bitcoin-exchange/
[2016-08-22 15:22:35] pigeons : basically that says nothing
[2016-08-22 15:24:44] Rado : yes
[2016-08-22 15:24:57] Rado : what does qualifying token holders mean?
[2016-08-22 15:26:48] pigeons : I don't know, but to own equity via bnktothefuture you have to be a "qualified investor" under your country's rules
[2016-08-22 15:27:23] Rado : maybe that is what they mean
[2016-08-22 15:27:38] Rado : need to read about bnktothefuture
[2016-08-22 15:37:49] macios15 : rapidtrades: u still bear
[2016-08-22 15:38:39] Rado : he is a bear?
[2016-08-22 15:38:58] Rado : BTC is the only asset that will appreciate for sure
[2016-08-22 15:39:01] Rado : imo
[2016-08-22 15:39:02] Rado : :-)
[2016-08-22 15:44:27] Rado : specially when bond bubble implodes
[2016-08-22 15:49:31] macios15 : told u i see bright sky to 4k
[2016-08-22 15:51:45] laisee : i'll buy that BFX for a dollar
[2016-08-22 16:12:52] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC7D`: Sell 709 @ 0.002909
[2016-08-22 16:46:57] rapidtrades : btc-e at $5 premium...concerning
[2016-08-22 16:50:04] rapidtrades : looks like they severed the tie between the exchange and mt4
[2016-08-22 16:50:16] rapidtrades : spread on mt4 much higher right now
[2016-08-22 16:50:48] rapidtrades : they didn't share the orderbook before either but spreads have never diverged so much
[2016-08-22 17:29:22] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC7D`: Sell 500 @ 0.002872
[2016-08-22 18:01:00] rapidtrades : no bump in tokens price based on that crowdfunding thinggy
[2016-08-22 18:02:03] Rado : rapidtrades: I was thinking the same thing
[2016-08-22 18:04:36] rapidtrades : it will be a small miracle if they manage to stay in business long enough to issue 'shares'
[2016-08-22 18:07:18] rapidtrades : https://bnktothefuture.com/pitches/bitcoin-capital-1
[2016-08-22 18:07:28] rapidtrades : simon dixon...where do i know that name from
[2016-08-22 18:08:46] rapidtrades : The Company’s Registered address is at - CO Services Cayman Islands, P.O. Box 10008, Willow House, Cricket Square, KY1-1001, Cayman Islands (CI). Company No. CO-296093. Its Sister Company - Bnk To The Future (HK) LIMITED is Incorporated and registered in Hong Kong under the Companies Bill 2011