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[2016-08-19 17:00:01] BitMEX_Wally : .XBT only records the index price every minute, the Kaiko index dropped to 566.48 at 2016.08.19D15:57:36 UTC
[2016-08-19 17:01:05] BitMEX_Wally : We are working on exposing more price history
[2016-08-19 17:01:33] macios15 : work on delisting bitstamp
[2016-08-19 17:03:49] BitMEX_Greg : macios15: We are working to add more constituents to the index to replace bitfinex, what other exchanges do you recommend?
[2016-08-19 17:05:55] macios15 : huobi conversed to usd
[2016-08-19 17:06:46] nip : macios15: because that doesnt have price spikes...
[2016-08-19 17:06:58] nip : and its down all the time
[2016-08-19 17:07:32] macios15 : if sb sell 1k btc on stamp price is dumped to 540
[2016-08-19 17:08:31] macios15 : and thats 50% of our index lol
[2016-08-19 17:14:32] I-am-Legend : i dont get it why would your realized pl be visible a week after u closed that trade on your new trade
[2016-08-19 17:14:34] I-am-Legend : what is the point
[2016-08-19 17:14:52] I-am-Legend : i started a fresh trade a week later want to see my realized pl on this trade
[2016-08-19 17:15:38] I-am-Legend : would really appreciate a mod checking my eth position out, maybe something wrong with numbers
[2016-08-19 17:15:52] magneto : Hey mods, there were market orders executed yesterday that I didn't initialize. How can that happen?
[2016-08-19 17:17:17] BitMEX_Wally : I-am-Legend: Your position you opened today has realised PNL of -0.013666
[2016-08-19 17:18:01] BitMEX_Wally : From taker fees
[2016-08-19 17:18:11] I-am-Legend : i understood that wally but why is it showing the 2btc realized profit from last trade
[2016-08-19 17:18:22] I-am-Legend : u only see - if you hover on it
[2016-08-19 17:18:35] BitMEX_Wally : Yeah, at the moment we show cumulative realised PNL for the life of the contract
[2016-08-19 17:18:42] BitMEX_Wally : Not just since you had a position open
[2016-08-19 17:20:43] BitMEX_Wally : magneto: I see 2 market orders yesterday for ETC7D and they both were filled
[2016-08-19 17:21:08] magneto : Yes, and I didn't order that. Is there an explanation for it?
[2016-08-19 17:21:24] BitMEX_Wally : Let me check the logs
[2016-08-19 17:21:30] magneto : Thanks!
[2016-08-19 17:24:03] BitMEX_Wally : Looks like they came from your IP address.
[2016-08-19 17:24:15] BitMEX_Wally : Leverage was adjusted from 5x to 4x and then 2 market orders were submitted
[2016-08-19 17:25:39] BitMEX_Wally : magneto: I can email you the logs
[2016-08-19 17:26:01] BitMEX_Wally : Would you like me to suspend your account while we investigate?
[2016-08-19 17:27:48] BitMEX_Wally : `2016-08-18T18:08:05.859Z 188.xx.xx.xx (Firefox 47, Windows) (xxx/xxxxxx@gmx.de) - "POST /api/v1/order {"symbol":"ETC7D","orderQty":135,"price":null,"ordType":"Market","execInst":"","text":"Submission from www.bitmex.com"}"`
[2016-08-19 17:28:39] magneto : Yes, but now they are closed right? I don't see them in my positions, altough I only went long without closing...
[2016-08-19 17:29:02] magneto : And it wasn't near liq. price. That's what I don't get.
[2016-08-19 17:29:55] BitMEX_Wally : These market orders opened a 136 contract long position
[2016-08-19 17:30:08] BitMEX_Wally : And then ETC7D settled, so the position was closed
[2016-08-19 17:30:24] BitMEX_Wally : It was not liquidated
[2016-08-19 17:30:37] magneto : ah ok. get it thanks.
[2016-08-19 17:31:16] BitMEX_Wally : In your trade history you can see execType of `Settlement` which closed the position
[2016-08-19 17:31:30] magneto : So they get liquidatet always same day of the ewwk same time?
[2016-08-19 17:31:49] justinlooking : not exactly liquidated, settled
[2016-08-19 17:31:51] BitMEX_Wally : ETC7D settles every Friday at 12:00 UTC at the price of ETC on Poloniex
[2016-08-19 17:32:00] BitMEX_Wally : All longs and all shorts are closed at the same price
[2016-08-19 17:32:08] magneto : ok, thanks!
[2016-08-19 17:32:11] BitMEX_Wally : Trade history here: https://www.bitmex.com/app/tradeHistory
[2016-08-19 17:48:47] zanza : rapidtrades did you finish your Class action lawsuit yet ?
[2016-08-19 18:00:47] zanza : early bird gets the worm.
[2016-08-19 18:14:52] seafvasvsdvasvasdv : Hey Wally: I'm trying to understand the fee structure. I've been playing around with passive orders (i.e. being a maker in all of them), but I don't see a fee rebate. In stead I pay taker fee every time. Do I have to do something special to qualify for maker rebates?
[2016-08-19 18:16:06] Rado : seafvasvsdvasvasdv: you don't
[2016-08-19 18:16:15] BitMEX_Wally : seafvasvsdvasvasdv: Let me have a look
[2016-08-19 18:16:34] Rado : to make sure you are a maker you can click post-only checkbox
[2016-08-19 18:16:47] Rado : also a stop order will always have a taker fee
[2016-08-19 18:17:28] Rado : BitMEX_Wally: change his nick name please :-)
[2016-08-19 18:17:47] Rado : seafvasvsdvasvasdv: Maybe give support a better nick name?
[2016-08-19 18:20:22] BitMEX_Wally : seafvasvsdvasvasdv: Ok I see the problem. You had too many small (i..e less than 0.01 XBT) orders open which were spamming the order book, so they got made hidden (i.e. displayQty of 0) and hidden orders do not get the maker rebate
[2016-08-19 18:20:37] seafvasvsdvasvasdv : Awesome thanks
[2016-08-19 18:20:51] seafvasvsdvasvasdv : (And sorry, I was testing)
[2016-08-19 18:20:58] BitMEX_Wally : No problem, I have reset your account
[2016-08-19 18:21:07] seafvasvsdvasvasdv : What's the minimally qualifying number?
[2016-08-19 18:21:11] seafvasvsdvasvasdv : 0.01 BTC?
[2016-08-19 18:21:17] BitMEX_Wally : Yeah, 10 contracts or more is fine
[2016-08-19 18:21:21] seafvasvsdvasvasdv : Awesome
[2016-08-19 18:21:23] seafvasvsdvasvasdv : Thanks for the info
[2016-08-19 18:21:34] BitMEX_Wally : You can test in testnet but it has the same spam protection :)
[2016-08-19 18:22:10] seafvasvsdvasvasdv : One more q: How do I change my nickname to something more typable?
[2016-08-19 18:22:18] seafvasvsdvasvasdv : (As the guys were complaining about earlier)
[2016-08-19 18:22:25] BitMEX_Wally : Haha what would you like it changed to?
[2016-08-19 18:22:35] seafvasvsdvasvasdv : Let's do 'BetterNick'
[2016-08-19 18:22:43] BitMEX_Wally : Done
[2016-08-19 18:22:44] BitMEX_Wally : Refresh
[2016-08-19 18:22:49] BetterNick : Much appreciated
[2016-08-19 18:22:57] BetterNick : Have a good day
[2016-08-19 18:23:05] BitMEX_Wally : :)
[2016-08-19 20:09:54] zanza : i kind of liked seafvasvsdvasvasdv
[2016-08-19 20:10:00] zanza : but BetterNick works
[2016-08-19 21:03:49] zanza : how come ETH is down to 18 again ?
[2016-08-19 21:04:49] rapidtrades : hey anyone keeping track of how much BTC buttfinex has left?
[2016-08-19 21:07:47] rapidtrades : that's importatnt info FFS
[2016-08-19 21:08:19] rapidtrades : just give me the address i'll f*cking watch it
[2016-08-19 21:12:14] rapidtrades : guys over at bitcoinmarkets saying that ETF decision is coming up these days, deadline monday
[2016-08-19 21:12:38] rapidtrades : they're prolly gonna delay it with all the negative press around buttfinex
[2016-08-19 21:40:10] Tetsuo : Winklevoss ETF?
[2016-08-19 21:43:20] rapidtrades : yes
[2016-08-19 22:10:50] rapidtrades : who's keeping tabs on buttfinex addresses? last time i ask, i'll bookmark it
[2016-08-19 23:15:41] billyboy402 : Bitfinex
[2016-08-19 23:16:14] billyboy402 : i thought chat wast changing to butfinx like okc
[2016-08-19 23:19:52] miramm1115 : big iceberg sell @ 572.45
[2016-08-19 23:21:20] rapidtrades : nice catch
[2016-08-19 23:24:43] miramm1115 : not so big, 27k plus change
[2016-08-19 23:24:56] habibi : u mean hidden order?
[2016-08-19 23:25:06] justinlooking : yup
[2016-08-19 23:25:19] miramm1115 : hidden with 500 visible, so iceberg
[2016-08-19 23:32:20] justinlooking : green sells and red buys
[2016-08-19 23:32:25] justinlooking : grrr
[2016-08-19 23:46:50] jung1 : hi
[2016-08-19 23:47:07] jung1 : did you saw that mcxNOW is online again?
[2016-08-19 23:47:08] jung1 : https://beta.rawx.io
[2016-08-20 01:02:40] pigeons : i guess realsolid thought if people came back to bitfinex, they will come back to him
[2016-08-20 01:04:14] pigeons : assuming its him, i dont know why anyone else would want his baggage and name
[2016-08-20 01:22:45] jung1 : yeah
[2016-08-20 01:23:02] jung1 : but mcxNOW had really goo engine as a exchange
[2016-08-20 01:24:57] jung1 : mcxShares are worth now around 0.06btc
[2016-08-20 01:25:10] jung1 : if anyone still hold them
[2016-08-20 01:25:40] pigeons : people would trade on mtgox if they reopened
[2016-08-20 01:28:24] jung1 : thats called natural selection
[2016-08-20 02:36:40] Thedude : anyone from support around?
[2016-08-20 02:38:07] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETHXBT`: Buy 80 @ 0.01921
[2016-08-20 03:26:59] zanza : https://medium.com/@BlockByBlock/the-ugly-truth-behind-steemit-1a525f5e156#.ac6khxg7e
[2016-08-20 03:31:08] jung1 : steem is kinda cool
[2016-08-20 03:31:21] jung1 : will see if it will work
[2016-08-20 04:36:17] laisee : I made 9,900 dollars last ,month working from home ... On Steem :-)
[2016-08-20 04:37:50] miramm1115 : laisee: I made about the same working from home, on Steam :-)
[2016-08-20 07:10:23] Rado : 50% bitstamp is too much on here
[2016-08-20 07:11:03] Rado : The price moves a lot there with just a few hundred btc
[2016-08-20 07:11:25] Rado : Now I can't use stop orders here
[2016-08-20 07:11:58] Rado : BitMex I hope you will add another exchange soon
[2016-08-20 08:48:16] macios15 : rekt incoming
[2016-08-20 09:12:34] rapidtrades : Rado: i think prices here are more volatile then bitstamp
[2016-08-20 09:12:53] rapidtrades : i don't use stops here for that reason
[2016-08-20 09:14:01] rapidtrades : a third exchange may not be a bad idea cos it would smooth out the index more...how about btce?
[2016-08-20 09:14:37] rapidtrades : it has double the volume of okc usd
[2016-08-20 09:14:57] billyboy402 : when there a margin call , is it a close market price once the index price , or is it trigger at index price and close at index price
[2016-08-20 09:15:56] rapidtrades : i think trigger mark price, close on market
[2016-08-20 09:16:41] rapidtrades : mark price is kind of tied with the index
[2016-08-20 09:17:35] justinlooking : mfw rapid suggests putin for index
[2016-08-20 09:20:00] rapidtrades : is itbit americans only
[2016-08-20 09:20:08] justinlooking : do u even: https://imgur.com/a/M6drT
[2016-08-20 09:20:16] rapidtrades : they seem to top volume atm....kinda switching with btce
[2016-08-20 09:20:37] habibi : coz of no fees u dummie
[2016-08-20 09:20:53] rapidtrades : habibi: it's dummy u dummie
[2016-08-20 09:21:10] habibi : dummie suits u better
[2016-08-20 09:22:36] rapidtrades : habibi: to you, cos you're ignorant
[2016-08-20 09:25:29] habibi : check ur msgs since last century and reconsider who is ignorant :)
[2016-08-20 09:26:39] rapidtrades : 0.2 taker 0 maker on itbit
[2016-08-20 09:27:29] rapidtrades : don't think there's margin, so can't see myself trading there
[2016-08-20 09:27:42] rapidtrades : one buttfinexing is enough
[2016-08-20 09:27:58] justinlooking : itbit works in uk, and accept SEP
[2016-08-20 09:28:02] justinlooking : *SEPA
[2016-08-20 09:28:09] justinlooking : in eur
[2016-08-20 09:28:32] justinlooking : deposit/withdraw fees: https://support.itbit.com/customer/portal/articles/1798218-non-us-customer-deposit-withdrawal-bank-fees
[2016-08-20 09:28:36] rapidtrades : cool that's cheap
[2016-08-20 09:28:52] rapidtrades : maybe i can use it as in/out
[2016-08-20 09:30:10] rapidtrades : their SEPA fees are much higher then stamp?
[2016-08-20 09:32:38] rapidtrades : u also need to submit docs before u can trade but i don't see a restricted countries list, so should be open to most
[2016-08-20 09:33:25] justinlooking : stamp don't have xbteur
[2016-08-20 09:33:47] justinlooking : so fx u at their "bank's rate"
[2016-08-20 09:34:08] rapidtrades : no they added it
[2016-08-20 09:34:57] justinlooking : oh sorry
[2016-08-20 09:36:27] rapidtrades : well at least these two don't ask for 4-5 different docs or a skype call like shitfinex
[2016-08-20 09:37:00] rapidtrades : they really didn't want to deal with banks over there
[2016-08-20 10:03:59] rapidtrades : i think tokens holders won't get preferential treatment in any liquidation...and i don't think any investors will touch bitfinex with some many legal challengess
[2016-08-20 10:05:05] Pilot : Yo
[2016-08-20 10:05:07] rapidtrades : current price very generous from a value perspective although technically it's mixed...neither up or down
[2016-08-20 10:05:40] rapidtrades : i sold mine
[2016-08-20 10:11:32] rapidtrades : "regulators were fully apprised of the capital shortfall and, within hours of the SNB Event, the CFTC and the NFA were on site at FXCM's offices"
[2016-08-20 10:11:51] rapidtrades : guess there are some benefits to regulation
[2016-08-20 10:27:48] rapidtrades : it's one of those times when I talk to myself
[2016-08-20 10:28:31] rapidtrades : that's the best time to be in this chat
[2016-08-20 10:28:45] rapidtrades : i literally shit out gold....you're welcome
[2016-08-20 10:37:52] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC7D`: Sell 607 @ 0.002948
[2016-08-20 10:39:52] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC7D`: Sell 1 @ 0.002933 :punch: :whale:
[2016-08-20 10:39:52] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC7D`: Sell 150 @ 0.002936
[2016-08-20 11:55:49] Rado : rapidtrades: BTCE is fine
[2016-08-20 11:56:31] Rado : sny exchange will be better than just bitstamp and okc
[2016-08-20 12:00:33] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 1550 @ 580.05
[2016-08-20 12:32:07] rapidtrades : Rado: one problem with btce is prices there can diverge quite a bit
[2016-08-20 12:33:21] rapidtrades : during the two rallies oct last year june this year it lagged by $50 at times
[2016-08-20 12:52:44] justinlooking : any interest in a bitmex mm bot chrome extension?
[2016-08-20 12:53:30] rapidtrades : justinlooking: depends on the price and what will it do
[2016-08-20 12:55:38] VenCap : BitMex Devs, you seriously need to rethink this 24hr holding of withdraws.
[2016-08-20 12:55:50] VenCap : your site will never get popular with this current system.
[2016-08-20 12:55:51] rapidtrades : VenCap: how about NO
[2016-08-20 12:56:23] VenCap : i like the site overall. but i am going to stop trading here, due to the length of time it takes for withdraws.
[2016-08-20 12:56:49] rapidtrades : the worst case is 24h...average is 12h
[2016-08-20 12:56:50] VenCap : this is the main reason, vol here is very low and the site is made up of 90% bot volume.
[2016-08-20 12:57:04] rapidtrades : 90% bots is everywhere
[2016-08-20 12:57:05] VenCap : just saying ,good site, bad withdraw process.
[2016-08-20 12:57:28] VenCap : everywhere else people get withdraws much sooner and margin payments there and then.
[2016-08-20 12:57:45] rapidtrades : ok i don't see why it matters...it's just 24h just plan accordingly
[2016-08-20 12:58:22] VenCap : if it was different this site would have more customers and more people stay here
[2016-08-20 12:58:50] rapidtrades : i just don't see why that issue alone makes the difference between leaving and staying
[2016-08-20 12:59:05] VenCap : thats why this place is dead of real traders.
[2016-08-20 12:59:08] VenCap : anyhow
[2016-08-20 12:59:16] rapidtrades : ok then...
[2016-08-20 12:59:17] VenCap : have a good weekend. ive said what i wanted to.
[2016-08-20 13:03:02] justinlooking : rapidtrades: it is v similar in functionality to the python mm bot on bitmex
[2016-08-20 13:04:20] justinlooking : 'cept it allows u to tweak all size/price bias/distance/step/step distance/position limits params via gui
[2016-08-20 13:10:28] rapidtrades : sounds good if it works well
[2016-08-20 13:10:35] rapidtrades : what do u plan to sell it for
[2016-08-20 13:13:39] justinlooking : no plans to sell it
[2016-08-20 13:15:04] justinlooking : it has no documentation, no warranty of any kind... i guess could take donations
[2016-08-20 13:16:37] dakk : hi
[2016-08-20 13:17:00] justinlooking : yo dakk
[2016-08-20 13:18:51] miramm1115 : justinlooking: you can always run it yourself if it's profitable. why would you sell it or give it a way if it's profitable?
[2016-08-20 13:20:04] justinlooking : miramm1115: it's just a basic mm atm
[2016-08-20 13:20:32] justinlooking : if market is ranging you'll do okay i would think
[2016-08-20 13:20:53] justinlooking : but a big move and bad risk management you'll get owned
[2016-08-20 13:21:06] justinlooking : more toolkit than actual bot
[2016-08-20 13:21:54] miramm1115 : yeah, if the strategy is the same as in BitMEX sample MM you don't want to run it as is
[2016-08-20 13:22:39] justinlooking : indeed, there are still many more things i'd like to add
[2016-08-20 13:33:19] justinlooking : should prolly get bitmex's permission first before distributing, if only to give deadsup for any mad shit that might go down. i know rate limits, but still..
[2016-08-20 13:33:30] justinlooking : *headsup
[2016-08-20 13:57:02] JH : why don't more people trade here?
[2016-08-20 13:57:16] JH : I've been boned a couple times because of low volume..
[2016-08-20 13:57:51] BitMEX_Sam : Honestly I think we're just seeing a small summer slump
[2016-08-20 13:58:10] BitMEX_Sam : When prices start moving again the books fill up
[2016-08-20 13:58:31] Thedude : BitMEX_Sam: I think its the funding scheme for alts, just to dangerous to trade when fudning often go's up to 0,5/1% a day
[2016-08-20 13:59:40] BitMEX_Sam : The swaps on alts actually trade more than the 7D futs used to - but we are considering more 7D futs on some
[2016-08-20 14:01:15] sleger : i agree with the dude, the funding rates on alts are broken, completely random and unpredictable
[2016-08-20 14:01:29] Thedude : BitMEX_Sam: I dont know I came back here after a few months of non trading. What used to be predictable affordable funding rates seem to have changed into insane highly volatile funding rates. Feels like trading the alts has become more about trading the funding rates then the actual price.
[2016-08-20 14:02:21] BitMEX_Sam : Thanks for the feedback - we are considering revisions to those contracts as I agree that the low liquidity can cause unpredictable rates
[2016-08-20 14:02:44] sleger : probably how the MM makes money there, when he gets big positions on one alt, he skews his quotes a lot which cause funding rate to explode and then he rapes the market by cashing in 3x per day the funding rate
[2016-08-20 14:04:16] Thedude : BitMEX_Sam: I know you guys are working on it hope to hear something soon. I know others have felt the same for example: https://www.reddit.com/r/ethtrader/comments/4yg9ne/bitmex_margin_trading/
[2016-08-20 14:09:26] rapidtrades : sleger: did they pay u ur money
[2016-08-20 14:09:45] sleger : of course not yet
[2016-08-20 14:10:58] rapidtrades : did they offer u shares?
[2016-08-20 14:12:33] justinlooking : yo sleger u wanna beta this mm bot when it is ready?
[2016-08-20 14:17:44] sleger : rapidtrades: i havent asked for shares, they didnt suggest it either
[2016-08-20 14:23:59] rapidtrades : sleger: did their reply sound like it was passed through legal? mine sounded like it was written by support with added soundbites
[2016-08-20 14:25:38] sleger : hard to say, in between i'd say
[2016-08-20 14:25:50] sleger : did you reach out to a lawyer like the one you linked to via reddit ?
[2016-08-20 14:26:30] rapidtrades : not yet....was waiting for their reply
[2016-08-20 14:27:05] rapidtrades : will send a few emails later today to the people that were interested like that guy
[2016-08-20 14:28:05] rapidtrades : i doubt that they have a legal team at all...that stu guy is prolly not full time either
[2016-08-20 14:31:00] sleger : probably not
[2016-08-20 14:34:01] rapidtrades : sleger: did u mean that bitfinexlawsuit website? that's likely fake
[2016-08-20 14:34:18] sleger : no, some lawyer in a reddit post you linked to here
[2016-08-20 14:35:30] rapidtrades : ah yes this guy https://www.reddit.com/r/bitfinexcal/comments/4xfnlw/bitfinex_is_probably_liable_to_thier_customers/
[2016-08-20 14:36:31] rapidtrades : i asked him some qs on reddit but he could've been scared off by all the bitfinex shill accounts on there
[2016-08-20 14:37:14] rapidtrades : i will try directly and see if he gave up on it
[2016-08-20 14:38:15] sleger : that was smart free advertising from him
[2016-08-20 14:40:43] rapidtrades : sleger: would u be interested in joining any lawsuit?
[2016-08-20 14:41:09] sleger : lawsuits would be either individual, or as class action, there's no "grouped" lawsuits
[2016-08-20 14:42:25] rapidtrades : not exactly...if HK law applies then class action is not doable...but this is https://www.reddit.com/r/bitfinexcal/comments/4y5f6p/exploring_the_class_action_lawsuit_option/
[2016-08-20 14:42:31] sleger : plus, where you sue depends on where it makes most sense, and that depends on each case
[2016-08-20 14:42:54] rapidtrades : rule on representative proceedings, whereby a claimant may bring a representative action on behalf of a group of claimants where those claimants have the same interest in the proceedings.
[2016-08-20 14:43:29] sleger : not sure HK would be the best place to sue anyways
[2016-08-20 14:43:40] rapidtrades : sleger: i'm leaning toward HK, eve though bitfinex says BVI is their jurisdiction
[2016-08-20 14:44:03] rapidtrades : that's where their license is
[2016-08-20 14:44:41] rapidtrades : they can't operate without their license and will likely get cut off from the banks after they lose it
[2016-08-20 14:46:10] rapidtrades : Bitfinex operates under a Hong Kong corporation, Renrenbee Limited (holder of the MSO license), which is wholly owned by a BVI corporation, iFinex Ltd. (our holding company)
[2016-08-20 14:54:48] rapidtrades : sleger: did u notice how they completely removed the link to bitgo reports? so u can't see if ur segregated wallet got hacked or not
[2016-08-20 14:55:12] sleger : yes
[2016-08-20 14:55:26] sleger : i actually dont know
[2016-08-20 14:56:07] rapidtrades : under reports there was a bitgo reports section...first they made them unavailable now its completely gone
[2016-08-20 15:11:18] rapidtrades : justinlooking: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/4yomg9/chrome_will_remove_chrome_apps_what_will_happen/
[2016-08-20 15:14:14] Rado : VenCap: you can go to Bitfinex so your funds can get stolen. Good luck!
[2016-08-20 15:14:27] Rado : 12 h is perfectly fine
[2016-08-20 15:14:40] Rado : why do you need to withdraw fast? I can't think of a reason
[2016-08-20 15:21:18] justinlooking : rapid: extensions unaffected
[2016-08-20 15:22:59] rapidtrades : justinlooking: ah cool
[2016-08-20 15:30:26] Rado : justinlooking: where can I get it?
[2016-08-20 15:31:02] justinlooking : rado: 2 weeks :P
[2016-08-20 15:33:40] rapidtrades : my bot will be ready in 1 month
[2016-08-20 15:36:24] rapidtrades : although i said that 1 month ago
[2016-08-20 16:02:42] JH : are there any good guides for Git and how to get started running a bot? Whenever I've looked into it, it always is way too complicated
[2016-08-20 16:04:17] Rado : JH: it is complicated
[2016-08-20 16:04:30] Rado : if it was easy everyone will be a millionaire
[2016-08-20 16:06:40] JH : I suppose so, but getting a bot running shouldnt be that hard.. Im sure the genius is in the proper configuration
[2016-08-20 16:10:49] rapidtrades : you'd think that wouldn't u :)
[2016-08-20 17:15:24] ubeyou : hi
[2016-08-20 18:01:45] Waverunner : Hi. How can I contact support? I believe I've had a couple of issues with stop order execution.
[2016-08-20 18:11:11] JH : A BITMEX rep will probably poke around in here
[2016-08-20 18:11:11] JH : at some point
[2016-08-20 18:14:56] Waverunner : Thanks. Would be nice.
[2016-08-20 19:02:40] BitMEX_Wally : Waverunner: Hello, how can I help?
[2016-08-20 19:09:48] BitMEX_Wally : Waverunner: You can email support@bitmex.com
[2016-08-20 19:18:27] zanza : are we mooning today ?
[2016-08-20 19:23:00] macios15 : zanza: jep, or tomorow
[2016-08-20 19:32:02] Waverunner : BitMEX_Wally: Thanks
[2016-08-20 19:32:49] Waverunner : BitMEX_Wally: I had a couple of stop orders not trigger when expected and I wanted to clarify what happened to be sure.
[2016-08-20 19:33:12] Waverunner : O guess an e-mail to support would be the best way to do it, rightr?
[2016-08-20 21:56:57] messiaen8844 : Wally, is BitMEX considering adding Dash here?
[2016-08-20 23:27:37] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 357 @ 581.03
[2016-08-20 23:28:05] JH : is something going on in china?
[2016-08-20 23:28:06] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBJ24H`: Buy 190 @ 58436.0
[2016-08-21 00:14:28] Rado : BitMEX_Wally: do you have banner ads I can use?
[2016-08-21 01:28:37] zanza : jh Chinese food
[2016-08-21 01:36:35] rapidtrades : zanza: sup homie
[2016-08-21 02:27:03] daveberns1 : sup sup
[2016-08-21 02:30:40] tradedollarts : Ok :)
[2016-08-21 03:17:38] CaptainDean : we might some real solid base @ 3900
[2016-08-21 04:27:42] mjones : Has there been any talks about DASH or XMR on this site?
[2016-08-21 04:28:16] mjones : I know the hardest part is finding someone to put orders on both sides
[2016-08-21 05:03:24] CaptainDean : yeah, that's the issue
[2016-08-21 05:21:22] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 100 @ 0.01900
[2016-08-21 12:53:15] premjeraz : BitMEX_Wally: rebalance killing my position, even interest positive and price stands ~same... for example, i opened position for ~0.84 BTC, i got 0.14 funding... price stands almost same, after rebalance which cut my funds from technically 0.98 BTC, to 0.44.. in theory i had 0.29BTC but that was on books, coz wasnt executed.. but after rebalance i had smaller wallet balance, which is makes my margin call much closer..coz is smaller hegde shows bigger leverage... so its bad when after every rebalance system closes your position and opens new one
[2016-08-21 12:54:42] premjeraz : and that 0.44+0.29 make ~0.83, but where is that 0.14 from funding ? that means system takes unrealised loss from account, what if i want to wait ? that system totally rigged....
[2016-08-21 12:55:04] premjeraz : i losing funds on open position
[2016-08-21 12:56:44] premjeraz : that is very bad...... sometimes looks like real ponzi cheme here.... dosnt matter what you do, system cuts your funds
[2016-08-21 12:58:45] premjeraz : i cant get whats wrong with that, i padi for my contracts 0.84 btc, and if i sell them now for same price as i paid its going to be 0.63 BTC
[2016-08-21 12:58:49] premjeraz : how ?
[2016-08-21 12:59:30] BitMEX_Wally : Rebalancing does not change your overall profit or loss, it just moves it into your wallet
[2016-08-21 13:00:52] premjeraz : if position dosnt closed, but they taking from your ccount that "paper loss" which is not taken before...
[2016-08-21 13:01:17] BitMEX_Wally : Every 24 hours your profit since the previous rebalance plus any fees/funding is moved into your wallet via CashRebalance transactions which you can see here: https://www.bitmex.com/app/wallet
[2016-08-21 13:10:39] premjeraz : i see that, but that paper loss was taken from account, what makes my position more vulnelable
[2016-08-21 13:11:20] premjeraz : should be like this.... all my calls because of this rebalance is loss
[2016-08-21 13:11:40] premjeraz : i already lost 0.5 BTC of that rulz...
[2016-08-21 13:11:49] BitMEX_Wally : Let me check your account
[2016-08-21 13:12:01] BitMEX_Wally : This is your LTCXBT position?
[2016-08-21 13:12:05] premjeraz : my account should be 0.98 BTC with 0.29 BTC paper loss, but now are 0.48
[2016-08-21 13:12:15] premjeraz : yes
[2016-08-21 13:13:28] BitMEX_Wally : You don't have cross margin enabled
[2016-08-21 13:13:39] BitMEX_Wally : So your available balance does not affect your liquidation price
[2016-08-21 13:15:12] premjeraz : but how its happend with 0.84 BTC position + 0.14 funding = how its now 0.48 BTC ?
[2016-08-21 13:15:34] BitMEX_Wally : You are long, so you paid funding
[2016-08-21 13:15:53] justinlooking : when was position opened?
[2016-08-21 13:16:46] premjeraz : and how its possible same number contracts cost me 0.84 BTC ? and if i sell for same price im going to get 0.63 BTC ?
[2016-08-21 13:17:07] BitMEX_Wally : Between 2016.08.20 22:05:11.836839000 and 2016.08.21 08:27:47.334702000
[2016-08-21 13:17:08] BitMEX_Wally : UTC
[2016-08-21 13:18:41] premjeraz : BitMEX_Wally: but that rebalance cut makes my account more vulnable
[2016-08-21 13:19:12] BitMEX_Wally : Between your entry price and the first rebalance price of 0.00620 you had -0.2089709 XBT of PNL, minus 0.0745477 XBT of funding and fees so that was in total -0.2899467 XBT
[2016-08-21 13:20:24] BitMEX_Wally : Then between 0.0062 and the current mark price of 0.00622 you have 0.04856 XBT of unrealised PNL. minus 0.0772701 XBT of funding, so in total your pending rebalance is currently -0.0287101 XBT
[2016-08-21 13:20:37] BitMEX_Wally : Rebalancing did not change your liquidation price
[2016-08-21 13:20:43] premjeraz : i see that!!!!
[2016-08-21 13:20:50] premjeraz : problem is not there
[2016-08-21 13:21:12] premjeraz : we dont need tok now everyone abiut my positions
[2016-08-21 13:21:27] BitMEX_Wally : Please email support@bitmex.com to discuss in private
[2016-08-21 13:46:19] Tetsuo : BitMEX_Wally: What´s his liquidation price? I´d like to stop him out, you can also send it to me via e-mail, thanks!
[2016-08-21 13:49:38] justinlooking : haha
[2016-08-21 13:53:40] justinlooking : premjeraz: u kno u can adjust margin assigned to a position at any time? also current balance with open positions marked to mark price is "margin balance" (inside Advanced Margin window).
[2016-08-21 14:13:49] premjeraz : But problem is that, that funds was taken from my account, that position wasnt fixed...so i can be destroyed account because of market even your account can hold that ups and down, bet after rebalance "paper loss" taken from account my your funds smaller..and after any dow ln its going be less and less...so that system makes you loose all your funds sooner or later, even you make good call on long run and your account can take that small daily losses, but with that rebalance its makes you lose
[2016-08-21 14:15:29] JH : COME ON, can the market please move in either direction
[2016-08-21 14:15:56] BitMEX_Wally : premjeraz: I replied to your support ticket to explain that rebalance does not change your liquidation price, but funding payments can
[2016-08-21 14:16:40] BitMEX_Wally : A 25x position is fixed at 4% margin, and the funding comes out of (and is paid into) the fixed margin
[2016-08-21 14:17:17] premjeraz : Im trading on polo and previuosly on bitfinex..i was looking for sonething like this, i was send here 1brc to try it out, but i see there few flaws
[2016-08-21 14:17:54] premjeraz : BitMEX_Wally: ok
[2016-08-21 15:10:21] Rado : BitMEX_Wally: charts not loading for me
[2016-08-21 15:10:35] Rado : BitMEX_Wally: do you have a banner add I can put on my blog?
[2016-08-21 15:29:50] BitMEX_Sam : Rado: We don't - most users generally use the logo & some custom text in a png
[2016-08-21 15:52:48] HackedOnBFX : Hi
[2016-08-21 15:53:27] HackedOnBFX : I'm trying to run the sample market maker bot, and I'm running into an error where the bot stops running after a few minutes. Where can I get some help?
[2016-08-21 16:01:45] BitMEX_Sam : HackedOnBFX: Hi - I can answer some simple questions, but in general the project is not intended to be a working product, but rather an explanation of how to communicate with our API
[2016-08-21 16:07:28] justinlooking : HackedOnBFX: was that u testing on live xbtusd with the rapid flashing 10 lots earlier?
[2016-08-21 16:08:46] nip : BitMEX_Sam: i still havent set up my c# bot here. have anything to make that easier?
[2016-08-21 16:09:42] justinlooking : nip: https://github.com/BitMEX/api-connectors/tree/master/official/csharp altho i haven't used it
[2016-08-21 16:09:44] BitMEX_Sam : nip: We have plenty of documentation under the API section and some autogenerated files from the swagger spec at https://github.com/BitMEX/api-connectors/tree/master/clients/csharp
[2016-08-21 16:09:53] BitMEX_Sam : :+1: @justinlooking
[2016-08-21 16:19:45] HackedOnBFX : justinlooking: they were lots of 100
[2016-08-21 16:20:54] justinlooking : HackedOnBFX: maybe u are hitting rate limit? what do you have update interval set to?
[2016-08-21 16:21:16] HackedOnBFX : i get an error that says: Traceback (most recent call last): file "/usr/lib/python2.7/logging/__init__.py, line 861 in emit
[2016-08-21 16:21:37] HackedOnBFX : and also line 734, 465, and 329 of the same file
[2016-08-21 16:21:52] HackedOnBFX : TypeError: not all arguments converted during string formatting
[2016-08-21 16:22:21] BitMEX_Sam : HackedOnBFX: I recommend running through a few python courses before attempting something like this
[2016-08-21 16:22:23] justinlooking : which line thru that
[2016-08-21 16:22:27] justinlooking : *threw
[2016-08-21 16:22:40] BitMEX_Sam : The MM is not a turnkey bot, it is a starting project - you need significant Python experience to develop a strategy that works
[2016-08-21 16:22:50] justinlooking : pffft yolo!
[2016-08-21 16:25:24] HackedOnBFX : BitMEX_Sam: ok
[2016-08-21 16:25:31] HackedOnBFX : justinlooking: its playing with small money
[2016-08-21 16:26:08] justinlooking : HackedOnBFX: do pastebin of traceback
[2016-08-21 16:26:54] HackedOnBFX : ill take a screencap
[2016-08-21 16:28:41] HackedOnBFX : https://imgur.com/a/pnC2F
[2016-08-21 16:30:11] justinlooking : ok will take a look
[2016-08-21 16:30:38] justinlooking : also, is ur repo at current master?
[2016-08-21 16:30:40] justinlooking : (git pull)
[2016-08-21 16:32:48] justinlooking : is ur line453 of market_maker.py: `logger.error(self.start_position_buy, self.start_position_sell)` ?
[2016-08-21 16:33:35] HackedOnBFX : yes i cloned the git like a day ago
[2016-08-21 16:35:26] HackedOnBFX : yes thats line 453
[2016-08-21 16:43:33] justinlooking : it looks like you have MIN_SPREAD set too low
[2016-08-21 16:44:01] justinlooking : HackedOnBFX: what's it set to?
[2016-08-21 16:45:08] HackedOnBFX : really low
[2016-08-21 16:45:10] HackedOnBFX : like 0.00001
[2016-08-21 16:46:18] justinlooking : well that's the problem then
[2016-08-21 16:46:30] HackedOnBFX : thanks!
[2016-08-21 16:46:34] HackedOnBFX : ill try running it again
[2016-08-21 16:47:19] justinlooking : arguably, the MM should hadn't that better and print a more useful error message
[2016-08-21 16:47:24] justinlooking : *handle
[2016-08-21 16:49:57] HackedOnBFX : yea
[2016-08-21 16:50:00] HackedOnBFX : i think its working now!
[2016-08-21 17:34:32] JH : Withdrawals are only processed once a day?
[2016-08-21 17:34:35] JH : no way to get it faster?
[2016-08-21 17:34:42] JH : If low amount
[2016-08-21 17:53:52] BitMEX_Sam : JH: No, all withdrawals are done from cold storage and require a majority of partners to manually sign
[2016-08-21 17:53:59] BitMEX_Sam : This is done for users' and the exchange's protection
[2016-08-21 18:09:22] Rado : BitMEX_Sam: best feature ever :-)
[2016-08-21 18:09:33] Rado : JH: you've got to wait man
[2016-08-21 18:09:46] Rado : what's the rush to get the funds out?
[2016-08-21 18:09:56] Rado : I am yet to hear a good reason from a user
[2016-08-21 18:11:58] justinlooking : tumbling lol
[2016-08-21 19:40:08] REKT : Liquidated long on `LTCXBT`: Sell 1974 @ 0.00618
[2016-08-21 19:50:01] premjeraz : anyone from BITMEX
[2016-08-21 19:50:06] premjeraz : !!!!
[2016-08-21 19:51:58] premjeraz : i just ben owned by BITMEX, WTF ?
[2016-08-21 19:53:41] premjeraz : my LTCXBT was liquidated for price where is no orders like that
[2016-08-21 19:54:14] premjeraz : and after when one of Bitmex staff who revealed some data about my orders
[2016-08-21 19:54:37] premjeraz : i just lost about 0.6 BTC, not toking about 0.5 of rebalancig
[2016-08-21 19:54:53] BitMEX_Sam : premjeraz: Once again, rebalance does *not* affect your actual PNL, it simply moves PNL from the unrealized to the realized column
[2016-08-21 19:55:05] BitMEX_Sam : As for your liquidation, the underlying index moved down which caused the liquidation
[2016-08-21 19:55:42] premjeraz : BitMEX_Sam: my liquidation price is 603, but before was 618, but there is no such price in that time
[2016-08-21 19:55:51] BitMEX_Sam : All products on BitMEX use the index price, not the mark price, for the purpose of liquidations. This prevents manipulation on our markets - if you want to move the market and shake out stops/liquidations, you have to move the underlying index
[2016-08-21 19:56:27] premjeraz : and problem price wasnt moved that low
[2016-08-21 19:56:33] BitMEX_Sam : I can reconstruct the liquidation information for us if you email support@bitmex.com
[2016-08-21 20:01:35] premjeraz : BitMEX_Sam: i see i was scammed... and maybe there with BitMEX_Wally help, coz he there reveled some data about my holdings
[2016-08-21 20:01:44] BitMEX_Sam : premjeraz: You were not scammed.
[2016-08-21 20:02:01] BitMEX_Sam : As you asked, I am writing you an email with specific details, please be patient.
[2016-08-21 20:02:35] premjeraz : BitMEX_Sam: ok, im wairting... and im making my side full story
[2016-08-21 20:09:27] BitMEX_Sam : You have an email.
[2016-08-21 20:12:55] premjeraz : BitMEX_Sam: ok then now..
[2016-08-21 20:13:29] HackedOnBFX : https://imgur.com/a/5eu3H
[2016-08-21 20:13:32] HackedOnBFX : Anyone got any clue?
[2016-08-21 20:15:42] premjeraz : after rebalanced, my count had 0.48 btc 2428 contracts with rebalance price 0.00620, so on 0.00617 should be -0.0728, not 0.5 BTC, and why my contracts wsliquidated at 603, there in recent trades ar no such price in that list shows everything was liqudated fot 621-615
[2016-08-21 20:15:55] premjeraz : BitMEX_Sam: !
[2016-08-21 20:17:16] premjeraz : im totally was scammed.. i see no explonation for that
[2016-08-21 20:19:25] BitMEX_Sam : premjeraz: Please re-read the email. 0.00603 was your bankruptcy price, *not* your liquidation price
[2016-08-21 20:19:27] BitMEX_Sam : The two are very different.
[2016-08-21 20:20:16] BitMEX_Sam : LTCXBT has a Maintenance Margin requirement of 2%. Your account had less than 2% at a price of 0.00617 so it was liquidated.
[2016-08-21 20:20:37] BTCDJS : Huh? There's a bankruptcy price?
[2016-08-21 20:21:04] BitMEX_Sam : HackedOnBFX: That is actually our issue, at rebalance time the markets go to "Closed" while the rebalance calculations and other settlements are done, then back "Open".
[2016-08-21 20:21:14] BitMEX_Sam : BTCDJS: Bankruptcy Price is the price at which you hold 0 equity
[2016-08-21 20:21:34] BitMEX_Sam : All margined platforms liquidate you before your bankruptcy price, because if they waited until you had 0 equity it would be virtually guaranteeing a systemic loss
[2016-08-21 20:22:42] Rado : BitMEX_Sam: can you give me an idea of the % of the position compared to the full balance of the account
[2016-08-21 20:22:48] Rado : when this liquidations happen
[2016-08-21 20:23:03] Rado : are people using 100% of their balance on a position?
[2016-08-21 20:23:32] BitMEX_Sam : Rado: I'm not sure I understand your question.
[2016-08-21 20:23:51] BitMEX_Sam : When a liquidation happens, the user either has isolated margin (chosen a leverage), or simply run out of margin in the whole account.
[2016-08-21 20:23:54] Rado : I never have issues with liquidations
[2016-08-21 20:24:01] Rado : I was wondering why a lot of people do
[2016-08-21 20:24:40] BitMEX_Sam : In the case of this last liquidation, 2428 contracts are valued at 14.61 XBT
[2016-08-21 20:25:20] Rado : and how much did the underling move?
[2016-08-21 20:25:47] BitMEX_Sam : Not by much, but at high leverage it doesn't take much. It depends on whether or not the position was already in profit or loss
[2016-08-21 20:26:19] BTCDJS : BitMEX_Sam: so if someone holds 1xbt but trades with 0.3. If they keep holding a losing position they can get bankrupt? Even if not on crossed margin?
[2016-08-21 20:26:29] Rado : so my guess is that account did not have more than 1 or 2 BTC
[2016-08-21 20:26:44] BitMEX_Sam : BTCDJS: Say you open a 50x position, isolated margin, with a value of 10 XBT
[2016-08-21 20:27:05] BitMEX_Sam : On 50x contracts initial margin is 2% and maintenance margin is 1%. That means you need 2% to open and at least 1% to hold.
[2016-08-21 20:27:33] BitMEX_Sam : So if you open with isolated margin, it takes 0.2 XBT to open and that is allocated to the position. Once you lose 0.1 XBT it is liquidated. That's only 1%.
[2016-08-21 20:27:54] BitMEX_Sam : If you went with cross margin, your whole account is used to back the position, so you would survive up to a 9% move with 1 XBT in the account.
[2016-08-21 20:28:12] Rado : ah I get it now
[2016-08-21 20:28:20] Rado : people use isolated margin
[2016-08-21 20:28:27] Rado : all my trades are using cross
[2016-08-21 20:28:30] BitMEX_Sam : Isolated margin is a way to limit overall loss, but it is riskier than using cross.
[2016-08-21 20:28:39] Rado : and I have stop orders
[2016-08-21 20:28:49] Rado : so my stop hits well before any liquidation
[2016-08-21 20:29:12] Rado : basically guys you need to manage risk by calculating how much of your account balance are you willing to lose on a trade
[2016-08-21 20:29:27] BitMEX_Sam : Right.
[2016-08-21 20:30:02] Rado : unless you want to gamble accounts the size of less than 1 BTC
[2016-08-21 20:30:08] Rado : I will still not trade like that
[2016-08-21 20:30:15] BTCDJS : BitMEX_Sam: K. I suppose stops are very important as well as exiting a losing trade
[2016-08-21 20:30:42] BitMEX_Sam : Yes, stops are very important, as is keeping an eye on your liquidation price.
[2016-08-21 20:30:50] BitMEX_Sam : High leverage is a tool, not an obligation.
[2016-08-21 20:32:22] BTCDJS : I used to use 50x all the time. Now I use much lower leverage.
[2016-08-21 20:32:50] HackedOnBFX : BitMEX_Sam: what can i do about that?
[2016-08-21 20:33:07] HackedOnBFX : possible to set a cron job to periodically check if its running?
[2016-08-21 20:33:13] BitMEX_Sam : HackedOnBFX: You could add code to ignore the closed state, or wait for more than a single tick to consider the market closed.
[2016-08-21 20:33:40] BitMEX_Sam : Yes, managing your bot moving in and out due to hitting risk limits, delta limits, etc., and monitoring your delta is imperative but outside the scope of that example project
[2016-08-21 20:35:03] HackedOnBFX : BitMEX_Sam: the relist interval?
[2016-08-21 20:35:20] BitMEX_Sam : What's your question?
[2016-08-21 20:35:50] HackedOnBFX : you said or wait for more than a single tick to consider the market closed
[2016-08-21 20:36:09] BitMEX_Sam : Yes. The bot operates at a tick rate
[2016-08-21 20:36:22] esuvari : BitMEX_Sam: I have a question about risk limits
[2016-08-21 20:36:25] justinlooking : HackedOnBFX: u can comment out lines 169-171. and add a sleep(10) instead
[2016-08-21 20:36:30] BitMEX_Sam : That's very different than the relist interval, which is a timestamp used for daily and weekly relisting futures like ETC7D
[2016-08-21 20:36:36] BitMEX_Sam : esuvari: Go ahead
[2016-08-21 20:37:19] esuvari : so if you increase your risk limit, essentially it just decreases the amount of leverage you can use, is that all?
[2016-08-21 20:37:40] rapidtrades : BTCDJS: how's it going? haven't seen u here in a while
[2016-08-21 20:37:41] premjeraz : BitMEX_Sam: https://s3.postimg.org/w4qf876ar/bitmaxscam.jpg
[2016-08-21 20:37:43] esuvari : because the estimated liquidation level does not get affected due to the risk limit
[2016-08-21 20:37:46] premjeraz : explain me
[2016-08-21 20:38:40] BitMEX_Sam : premjeraz: I gave you a full explanation in the email, I suggest you read it carefully because it appears you are not grasping the core concepts of how margining works.
[2016-08-21 20:38:43] esuvari : which I don't understand because it's supposed to affect your maintenance margin, (hence, your liquidation level). What am I missing here?
[2016-08-21 20:39:18] BitMEX_Sam : premjeraz: I explained to you twice that 0.00603 was your bankruptcy price, *not* your liquidation price. Your liquidation price was 0.00617 which was hit on Poloniex, the reference exchange for LTCXBT.
[2016-08-21 20:39:38] BTCDJS : rapidtrades: good mate. I've been trading but kept out of the troll box
[2016-08-21 20:39:39] BitMEX_Sam : esuvari: Yes, risk limits decrease your maximum leverage.
[2016-08-21 20:39:55] premjeraz : BitMEX_Sam: but the why i lost 0.4999 BTC
[2016-08-21 20:40:03] premjeraz : there sould be 0.07 only
[2016-08-21 20:40:05] BitMEX_Sam : esuvari: It is an intentional mechanism to prevent a few traders from being able to amass very large positions and cause a large loss.
[2016-08-21 20:40:18] BitMEX_Sam : premjeraz: The maintenance margin on LTCXBT is 2%, which is lost when the position is liquidated.
[2016-08-21 20:40:56] BitMEX_Sam : Also, rebalance is not every 8 hours, it is every 24 hours, and is distinct from funding.
[2016-08-21 20:41:04] BitMEX_Sam : You were *paying* 0.07 XBT, not receiving it.
[2016-08-21 20:41:07] esuvari : BitMEX_Sam: but not your liquidation levels? so a trade of 15x on a 100xbt risk limit has the same liq. level as a 15x 550xbt risk limit. but isn't it supposed to increase your maintenance margin percentage as well?
[2016-08-21 20:41:07] HackedOnBFX : justinlooking: do that in settings.py?
[2016-08-21 20:41:37] BitMEX_Sam : esuvari: It does, but only if your position is actually that size.
[2016-08-21 20:41:56] justinlooking : no in market_maker.py, in the check_market_open funciton
[2016-08-21 20:41:58] BitMEX_Sam : esuvari: The engine attempts to prevent liquidation at all costs, so your maintenance margin % only rises when your position is actually above the threshold.
[2016-08-21 20:42:15] esuvari : ok I see now
[2016-08-21 20:43:15] premjeraz : but @BitMEX_Sam , now im really confused...... when funding 0.5493 im paying ? when is negative im payintgtoo ? i pad for negative funding rates on FCT and XBT, now is positive... before i got two times+0.07 positive funding
[2016-08-21 20:43:29] esuvari : so the "estimated" liquidation price (one that appears when you hover the order button) does not actually estimate accurately
[2016-08-21 20:43:45] BitMEX_Sam : premjeraz: When you are long, and funding is positive, you pay.
[2016-08-21 20:43:50] BitMEX_Sam : When you are short, and funding is positive, you receive.
[2016-08-21 20:44:08] BitMEX_Sam : I'm seeing that you receive funding on that earlier FCT trade.
[2016-08-21 20:50:29] HackedOnBFX : getting an error about the sleep(10)
[2016-08-21 20:52:28] justinlooking : HackedOnBFX: screenshot ur mod for me?
[2016-08-21 20:55:42] HackedOnBFX : https://imgur.com/a/Xedcs
[2016-08-21 20:55:54] HackedOnBFX : I tried just sleep(10) also, but tried time.sleep when that didnt work
[2016-08-21 20:56:10] esuvari : BitMEX_Sam: wouldn't it be better if the "estimated liq. level" to show the actual accurate liq. level, calculated based on the risk limit you have?
[2016-08-21 20:56:31] BitMEX_Sam : esuvari: I agree, I'll add that as a bug
[2016-08-21 20:56:44] justinlooking : HackedOnBFX: u need to indent it one more level
[2016-08-21 20:57:11] esuvari : it says 200000 contracts (long, 580 entry) has a liq. level of 557 when it's actually 571, due to the increased maintenance margin
[2016-08-21 20:57:43] justinlooking : python uses indentation for scoping, rather than {} in c-like languages
[2016-08-21 20:58:13] HackedOnBFX : justinlooking: thank you!
[2016-08-21 20:58:25] esuvari : BitMEX_Sam: that would be fantastic, thank you
[2016-08-21 20:59:34] premjeraz : BitMEX_Sam: https://s10.postimg.org/tlad13qq1/bitmaxs2.png
[2016-08-21 21:00:51] BitMEX_Sam : premjeraz: Look very closely at the first row. See the `-`?
[2016-08-21 21:01:05] BitMEX_Sam : Also, please re-read my messages to you, I said that if you are long and funding is positive, you pay.
[2016-08-21 21:01:25] BitMEX_Sam : Notice the title of that column is `Fee Paid`.
[2016-08-21 21:01:32] premjeraz : BitMEX_Sam: but look in to that... there should be some error, how after rebalance when system cut 0.29 btc loses... my first exec.price was 629, then rebalance cut loss form my account -.29 btc, then rebalance pricec is 0.00620 and then 0.00617 margin call? how ?
[2016-08-21 21:01:37] BitMEX_Sam : So if it is positive, you've paid, negative, you've received.
[2016-08-21 21:01:53] BitMEX_Sam : Ignore the rebalance, it doesn't affect your profitability.
[2016-08-21 21:02:06] BitMEX_Sam : You entered at 629, paid funding twice, and your position lost a little over 1% of its value.
[2016-08-21 21:02:21] BitMEX_Sam : You were at full leverage (25x), so a 2% move was enough to liquidate you.
[2016-08-21 21:03:02] premjeraz : but look in that, there was rebalance 10hours ago, there already cut los 0.29 btc, then after my exec price is 620
[2016-08-21 21:03:29] BitMEX_Sam : Again, ignore the rebalance.
[2016-08-21 21:04:09] BitMEX_Sam : The difference between 0.00629 and 0.00617 is just about 2%.