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<< >> English 中文 Русский 한국어 日本語 Español Français [2016-08-15 01:20:08] I-am-Legend : put in orders for 1k [2016-08-15 01:20:12] smagin07 : buy 2000 at the price you wanT [2016-08-15 01:20:14] I-am-Legend : to buy [2016-08-15 01:20:45] I-am-Legend : yeah i put some in book [2016-08-15 01:20:59] I-am-Legend : so just same a closing a short on polo or finex ? [2016-08-15 01:26:31] rapidtrades : hey so if i want to hedge my BFX long here do i sell the equivalent amount on finex? if long 100 sell 100 over there [2016-08-15 01:26:54] rapidtrades : mms don't seem interested in closing this gap [2016-08-15 01:31:37] nip : how do you hedge a long using a market where you cant short? [2016-08-15 01:35:27] rapidtrades : they converted my assets to shitokens [2016-08-15 02:26:17] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBJ24H`: Sell 16000 @ 58158.0 [2016-08-15 02:37:07] REKT : Liquidated short on `FCTXBT`: Buy 5790 @ 0.003973 [2016-08-15 03:01:21] REKT : Liquidated short on `FCTXBT`: Buy 300 @ 0.004028 [2016-08-15 06:09:37] REKT : Liquidated long on `FCTXBT`: Sell 169 @ 0.003920 [2016-08-15 06:30:40] NickBit : ETH not moving much :( [2016-08-15 06:30:49] NickBit : So far I lost like $3-4k lol [2016-08-15 07:17:15] rapidtrades : good morning [2016-08-15 07:17:40] rapidtrades : would u say that the odds of bitfinex declaring bunkruptsy are 59%? [2016-08-15 07:26:48] Boontjie : rapidtrades: Its not bankruptcy you should be worrying about, its whether they will honor their agreement [2016-08-15 07:27:38] Boontjie : The argument that they are trying to discount their debt, by buying tokens at less than par seems valid. [2016-08-15 07:28:31] rapidtrades : the tokens are not a debt instrument...says right there in the TOS [2016-08-15 07:29:02] rapidtrades : even if they bought them all, it doesn't absolve them of the responsibility to pay us back [2016-08-15 07:29:04] Boontjie : You are getting a promise to get the money back at $1 per token, or shares [2016-08-15 07:29:17] rapidtrades : no you're not [2016-08-15 07:29:47] Boontjie : Then what are you getting? [2016-08-15 07:29:57] rapidtrades : nothing [2016-08-15 07:30:23] Boontjie : Then why ask the bankrupty Q [2016-08-15 07:30:27] rapidtrades : like it says in the TOS, they don't obligate them anything and don't release them from any obligation [2016-08-15 07:30:53] rapidtrades : Boontjie: because their assets <liabilities [2016-08-15 07:31:28] rapidtrades : i was wondering if the token value can be used as a proxy for the odds of bankruptsy [2016-08-15 07:33:34] Boontjie : Its the market view I guess [2016-08-15 07:35:00] Boontjie : It is probability of getting back 40% of the assets. So 40% * 0.4 is a 16% of bankrupcy [2016-08-15 07:35:21] Boontjie : Or to be exact 36.06% * 0.4121 [2016-08-15 07:35:32] rapidtrades : i think this post by unoffical bitfinex account todd suggests we're not gonna get the token announcement soon https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/4xojmg/here_is_the_response_to_the_multiple_questions_i/ [2016-08-15 07:36:55] rapidtrades : Boontjie: hmm good point...although the only way u are going to get the face value of these things is if they stay in business [2016-08-15 07:37:39] Boontjie : Yes, but they only need 36.06% to stay in business [2016-08-15 07:38:12] rapidtrades : not necessarily...legal costs will skyrocket [2016-08-15 07:38:28] Boontjie : Yes and the token recovery will drop [2016-08-15 07:39:11] rapidtrades : it's just amazing to me that they're not taking a buyout offer [2016-08-15 07:39:28] rapidtrades : they had to have gotten one...they were n1 before the hack and profitable [2016-08-15 07:39:58] rapidtrades : maybe they have some to hide idk [2016-08-15 07:40:08] Boontjie : If there is a buyout offer and they didnt take it I would leave the exchange forever [2016-08-15 07:40:37] Boontjie : They will not be comitted to making customers whole. Just their own pockets [2016-08-15 07:40:49] rapidtrades : im gone except for my tokens...can't trust this management [2016-08-15 07:41:04] rapidtrades : if they get taken over and liquidity is back, sure ill go back [2016-08-15 07:41:51] Boontjie : I am more worried about the Bitcoinica backend, that thing is not safe [2016-08-15 07:42:02] Boontjie : That whole platform needs to be rebuilt [2016-08-15 07:42:27] rapidtrades : agree it was next to impossible to trade during high load [2016-08-15 07:43:13] Boontjie : Yes, I remember those days not well. Where they told you not to press the close button multiple times [2016-08-15 07:43:22] Boontjie : not too fondly* [2016-08-15 07:43:54] rapidtrades : :) [2016-08-15 07:46:14] rapidtrades : in retrospect the only good thing about bitfinex was the liquidity [2016-08-15 07:46:22] rapidtrades : platorm was shit, fees high [2016-08-15 07:46:30] Boontjie : And the margin funding [2016-08-15 07:46:34] rapidtrades : aaah yes [2016-08-15 07:46:37] Boontjie : The rates were quite high [2016-08-15 07:46:59] rapidtrades : that was one of the few places ameros can trade on margin [2016-08-15 07:47:16] Boontjie : Not anymore :) [2016-08-15 08:53:33] rapidtrades : lol this image https://b.thumbs.redditmedia.com/cK9odHfLhX3m6uhb_cD_UAmct3Jlh-rlzET2bWdhvvk.jpg [2016-08-15 09:19:34] rapidtrades : http://www.reuters.com/article/us-hongkong-bitfinex-idUSKCN10Q0DQ [2016-08-15 10:59:15] I-am-Legend : hey guys when you close contracts on eth short or classic long ur base does not improve [2016-08-15 10:59:27] I-am-Legend : does that mean the profit just gets locked up ? [2016-08-15 11:06:35] rapidtrades : profit does get locked up but I'm not sure if that's why your base doesn't imrpove [2016-08-15 11:08:55] I-am-Legend : why u have unrealized profit [2016-08-15 11:09:37] I-am-Legend : if u start to sell the contracts at that price the profit ur in sho go from unrealised to realised [2016-08-15 11:19:33] rapidtrades : support? where u at? [2016-08-15 11:19:56] rapidtrades : anyone used coinigy? [2016-08-15 11:21:44] rapidtrades : coinigy is could-based....jezz tnx guy [2016-08-15 11:24:18] rapidtrades : can't believe this shit is web based too...wtf is the point then [2016-08-15 11:33:09] I-am-Legend : lol no mods [2016-08-15 11:33:12] zanza : SPY 2200 this week ? [2016-08-15 11:33:24] I-am-Legend : fuk spy [2016-08-15 11:35:08] rapidtrades : yeah im long sp500 [2016-08-15 11:35:45] rapidtrades : it's a bitch to trade for me tho....too rangey [2016-08-15 11:40:10] sq : rapidtrades: is cionigy good? [2016-08-15 11:40:30] rapidtrades : idk i was just asking that [2016-08-15 11:43:20] jesperf : if you type bitmex and press tab you'll know if someone from the team is here [2016-08-15 11:57:55] I-am-Legend : we have rebalance in 4 mins [2016-08-15 11:58:16] I-am-Legend : when they rebalance what price do they use [2016-08-15 11:58:40] I-am-Legend : so if im in eth short in profit is it better to close before rebalance or wait till after? [2016-08-15 12:00:49] I-am-Legend : do they use ticker price ? [2016-08-15 12:00:57] I-am-Legend : for rebalance ? [2016-08-15 12:06:28] BitMEX_Jinming : I-am-Legend: rebalance is using markPrice at rebalance time [2016-08-15 12:07:04] I-am-Legend : so its better to allow rebalance if your in profit when short, [2016-08-15 12:07:17] I-am-Legend : get better price compared to orderbook [2016-08-15 12:07:52] I-am-Legend : but base price now is mark price of rebalance [2016-08-15 12:09:09] I-am-Legend : when you close contracts in profit ? does the urealised profit become realised as u close those contracts [2016-08-15 12:09:14] BitMEX_Jinming : I-am-Legend: yes the unrealisedPnl is based on the rebalanced price [2016-08-15 12:09:36] BitMEX_Jinming : I-am-Legend: yes [2016-08-15 12:09:43] billyboy402 : I-am-Legend: but yea , ig you are in profit , you should place a limit order and recive a rebate .... + dont have to pay the rebalance fee [2016-08-15 12:10:15] I-am-Legend : wooo there is rebalance fee? [2016-08-15 12:10:36] I-am-Legend : so everytime books rebalance bitmex charging commission [2016-08-15 12:10:40] BitMEX_Jinming : I-am-Legend: No rebalance fee [2016-08-15 12:11:07] I-am-Legend : billy just said rebalance fee maybe he means funding [2016-08-15 12:11:18] I-am-Legend : im short so im getting interest [2016-08-15 12:11:49] BitMEX_Jinming : I-am-Legend: if the funding rate is positive, you will get funding for your short [2016-08-15 12:11:55] I-am-Legend : jin if you close ur contracts before funding do you stay receive the interest [2016-08-15 12:12:33] I-am-Legend : so what comission do i pay y to you during a short trade [2016-08-15 12:12:57] BitMEX_Jinming : If you closed your position before funding time, you don't receive or pay funding [2016-08-15 12:13:06] I-am-Legend : only maker - taker fess or other commission to ? [2016-08-15 12:13:26] I-am-Legend : ok so u only get funding on rebalance [2016-08-15 12:13:29] BitMEX_Jinming : I-am-Legend: only maker/taker fee on each trade [2016-08-15 12:13:37] I-am-Legend : ok [2016-08-15 12:13:59] BitMEX_Jinming : I-am-Legend: you get funding on each funding time, which is every 8 hour [2016-08-15 12:14:08] I-am-Legend : so now im still in position unrealised pnl became relized [2016-08-15 12:14:22] I-am-Legend : so now in loss due to new base price [2016-08-15 12:14:39] I-am-Legend : is the pnl based on ticker price > [2016-08-15 12:15:26] jesperf : also based on mark price [2016-08-15 12:15:51] I-am-Legend : what is a post-only order ? [2016-08-15 12:16:05] I-am-Legend : hidden means u cant see it get that but what is post only [2016-08-15 12:16:25] jesperf : it prevents you from selling/buying into the market [2016-08-15 12:16:29] jesperf : to avoid taker fees [2016-08-15 12:17:06] I-am-Legend : ohh so if u put post only & price moves a lot as u press order it wont go in if u get take fees ? [2016-08-15 12:17:26] jesperf : correct [2016-08-15 12:17:29] I-am-Legend : so using post u could find hidden orders [2016-08-15 12:17:49] I-am-Legend : cause if something there u wont be able to go in [2016-08-15 12:18:08] jesperf : i don't think so [2016-08-15 12:18:25] jesperf : because hidden orders always take the taker fee [2016-08-15 12:19:05] jesperf : so it would execute immediately and you would still only have to pay the maker fee [2016-08-15 12:19:14] I-am-Legend : yeah was thinking that.. he gets fees always [2016-08-15 12:20:36] BitMEX_Jinming : I-am-Legend: jesperf is correct [2016-08-15 12:21:17] I-am-Legend : does the funding % change all the time [2016-08-15 12:21:30] I-am-Legend : so now eth 0.133% [2016-08-15 12:21:46] I-am-Legend : is that on ur entire order [2016-08-15 12:22:28] I-am-Legend : so on 1000 short u would get 1.3contracts of interest [2016-08-15 12:22:48] rapidtrades : jesperf: dam that's a neat trick [2016-08-15 12:23:04] BitMEX_Jinming : I-am-Legend: charge for your position [2016-08-15 12:23:33] rapidtrades : zanza: sup [2016-08-15 12:24:42] I-am-Legend : jin the funding interest on 1000 contracts is it 1.3 contracts now for a short on eth [2016-08-15 12:24:51] I-am-Legend : current rate 0.133 [2016-08-15 12:27:24] rapidtrades : dam guys okc sept futures at $2 discount [2016-08-15 12:27:38] rapidtrades : well 1.5$ [2016-08-15 12:27:47] rapidtrades : don't think i've seen anything like that [2016-08-15 12:28:14] rapidtrades : except briefly during crashes...but we're flat now [2016-08-15 12:34:20] rapidtrades : sentiment in the toilet [2016-08-15 12:38:41] BitMEX_Jinming : I-am-Legend: correct. [2016-08-15 13:05:44] I-am-Legend : what is the maker & taker fees for eth [2016-08-15 13:05:50] I-am-Legend : keep changing [2016-08-15 13:06:03] I-am-Legend : anyone know current maker taker fees on eth [2016-08-15 13:06:27] BitMEX_Sam : I-am-Legend: They haven't changed in a long time [2016-08-15 13:06:32] BitMEX_Wally : The maker/taker fees are the same for ETC and ETH: https://www.bitmex.com/app/fees [2016-08-15 13:07:59] I-am-Legend : so maker paying 0.025% so on a 1000 contracts that would be 0,25eth ? [2016-08-15 13:08:52] I-am-Legend : wally why did u add lisk its a sleeping coin with no volume on polo [2016-08-15 13:09:53] BitMEX_Sam : Makers receive a rebate, they don't pay fees. [2016-08-15 13:12:41] I-am-Legend : im talking about your commission, you pay that only one time on closing position [2016-08-15 13:12:55] I-am-Legend : 0.025% ? [2016-08-15 13:13:10] I-am-Legend : for eth maker [2016-08-15 13:14:36] BitMEX_Wally : It does not matter if you are opening or closing a posiiton [2016-08-15 13:14:50] BitMEX_Wally : If you post a limit order and wait for it to be filled then you get paid (i..e receive) 0.025% [2016-08-15 13:18:11] I-am-Legend : wally im confused so you maker taker fees go to the trader > [2016-08-15 13:18:20] I-am-Legend : so how does bitmex make money [2016-08-15 13:18:31] BitMEX_Wally : We charge the taker 0.075% and pay the maker 0.025% [2016-08-15 13:18:33] BitMEX_Wally : So we get 0.05% [2016-08-15 13:19:03] I-am-Legend : woooo why does the taker get the 0.025 [2016-08-15 13:19:21] BitMEX_Wally : They don't [2016-08-15 13:19:22] I-am-Legend : nothing to do with funding right thats separate [2016-08-15 13:19:26] BitMEX_Wally : The maker gets 0.025% [2016-08-15 13:19:30] I-am-Legend : maker sorry yeah [2016-08-15 13:19:35] BitMEX_Wally : To encourage market makers to provide liquidity [2016-08-15 13:20:14] billyboy402 : BitMEX_Wally: Since i last me depoist 2 day ago , i have open 2 trade which have been both profitable ..... now that i have close every thing , why cant i only withdraw less then i despoist 2 days ago [2016-08-15 13:20:40] billyboy402 : with heald profit is 0.0993 .... [2016-08-15 13:20:42] BitMEX_Wally : billyboy402: You can see your wallet history here: https://www.bitmex.com/app/wallet [2016-08-15 13:21:32] billyboy402 : BitMEX_Wally: that is what i am looking at , I deposit 2.00 BTC , i have made a profit of 0.0993 .... but i cant even withdraw 2.00 BTC out [2016-08-15 13:21:45] billyboy402 : Available Balance 1.9886 XBT [2016-08-15 13:21:48] I-am-Legend : looool too funny [2016-08-15 13:21:59] I-am-Legend : 0.09 profit.. [2016-08-15 13:22:23] billyboy402 : I should be able to withdraw the whole 2.00 that i deposit [2016-08-15 13:23:07] billyboy402 : I-am-Legend: would you like to donate some butcoin to me ? [2016-08-15 13:23:37] I-am-Legend : no man why ur going to lose it fast .. [2016-08-15 13:24:05] BitMEX_Wally : billyboy402: Profit is withheld until after the daily rebalance [2016-08-15 13:24:08] billyboy402 : I-am-Legend: well you cant comment how much I am making then can you big boy :P [2016-08-15 13:24:49] billyboy402 : BitMEX_Wally: yea I understand that , but you should be able to withdraw your inital deppoist [2016-08-15 13:25:56] I-am-Legend : no i dont need to u did already , u deposited 2 btc & made a very profitable trade with 0.09btc profit & now u cant even get 2 btx out loooooolz most funny thing i ever seen in trading chat.. u made nothing but call it profit [2016-08-15 13:26:49] billyboy402 : I-am-Legend: I think your confussesed mate , should i be calling it a "lost " [2016-08-15 13:29:22] I-am-Legend : ur confused not me lol.. u said u made profit on ur 2btc of 0.09 which is like 50$ but now u got less than 2btc lolz.. where is ur profit if u got less [2016-08-15 13:32:46] BitMEX_Wally : billyboy402: You deposited 2 XBT and can withdraw 1.9886486 XBT. The other 0.09 XBT can be withdrawn after rebalance in 22.5 hours [2016-08-15 13:33:23] billyboy402 : strange , I guess you take the Fee before every thing else [2016-08-15 13:33:25] BitMEX_Wally : You paid some fees but made it back in profit, which is the 0.0113513 XBT difference between withdrawable and your profit [2016-08-15 13:33:31] BitMEX_Wally : Yes [2016-08-15 13:34:41] billyboy402 : lol user should get the money first befor the exchange take there fees lol , i have 0.0879 profit ,,,, i should be able to take 2.00 out and then in 22 hours , you pay me 0.0679 back lol [2016-08-15 13:35:48] billyboy402 : the premium index suck . is just forces user to gamble more offen , then take long term trades [2016-08-15 13:36:31] rapidtrades : imgur taking forever to upload? [2016-08-15 13:36:40] billyboy402 : any chance you after the 330 sep , are you going to run another 3 months qlt contrats ? [2016-08-15 13:36:48] rapidtrades : +! [2016-08-15 13:36:49] BitMEX_Wally : The premium index is there to keep the swap price trading around the underlying spot price [2016-08-15 13:36:51] rapidtrades : +1 [2016-08-15 13:37:11] billyboy402 : rapidtrades: too many user uploading titts photo [2016-08-15 13:37:14] rapidtrades : ^^^ that was for another quaterly quanto [2016-08-15 13:38:08] billyboy402 : Yea , I cant remember if there going to keep the Quanto qtly , i dont care about short term , I rather hedge [2016-08-15 13:38:21] rapidtrades : i keep getting failed to create post...wtf imgur u shit [2016-08-15 13:42:14] jesperf : rapidtrades: if imgur is shit, all other image hosting sites are radioactive shit that also stabs you in the mouth [2016-08-15 13:42:40] zanza : imgur is pretty simple to use [2016-08-15 13:48:40] justinlooking : you got ublock plugin or sth rapid? [2016-08-15 13:48:45] justinlooking : it is fine here [2016-08-15 13:55:20] zanza : https://www.reddit.com/r/BitcoinMarkets/comments/4xruhd/daily_discussion_monday_august_15_2016/d6i3wc8 [2016-08-15 14:04:14] rapidtrades : f*Ck him and f*ck u zanza [2016-08-15 14:04:32] rapidtrades : they still haven't replied to my request [2016-08-15 14:05:00] rapidtrades : how am i suppose to sue when I haven't even explored all other avenues first [2016-08-15 14:05:19] rapidtrades : then u go to court and they say 'rapidtrades' did u ever ask bitfinex for ur monies [2016-08-15 14:14:18] Rado : send many emails then [2016-08-15 14:14:19] Rado : :-) [2016-08-15 14:14:29] Rado : you can say I asked a few times [2016-08-15 14:15:30] rapidtrades : no im just waiting a lil longer [2016-08-15 14:16:05] rapidtrades : i should've gotten the ball rolling quicker like sleger [2016-08-15 14:16:20] rapidtrades : imgur is still being a bitch [2016-08-15 14:35:18] rapidtrades : give me another website this is shit [2016-08-15 14:39:25] Rado : there is another one [2016-08-15 14:39:29] Rado : let me check [2016-08-15 14:40:01] Rado : https://postimage.org/ [2016-08-15 14:40:25] Rado : https://imgsafe.org/ [2016-08-15 14:41:00] Rado : soo [2016-08-15 14:41:04] Rado : BTC price [2016-08-15 14:41:16] Rado : Are we going to test $540 area? [2016-08-15 14:54:39] Tetsuo : yes [2016-08-15 14:55:30] Tetsuo : after that 450$ then bull trap [2016-08-15 14:55:34] 4lph4 : like 100% [2016-08-15 15:00:35] wotan : wow btc down [2016-08-15 15:05:18] Rado : Tetsuo: you mean bear trap [2016-08-15 15:09:21] Tetsuo : nah it will bulltrap from 450 to 550-600$ and then start fallin again to sub 3-400 [2016-08-15 15:11:56] wotan : i dont expect this scenario [2016-08-15 15:14:20] Tetsuo : i´m not sure about the bulltrap part either, maybe we will just go down straight [2016-08-15 15:16:27] wotan : what makes you so pesimistic about btc? i dont think it will touch 300-400 dollar level [2016-08-15 15:16:46] wotan : kim dotcom said time to buy btc hceap is now in 2017 btc over 2000 dollar:) [2016-08-15 15:17:04] wotan : im more bullish on btc then bearish to be true [2016-08-15 15:18:10] wotan : we will eb stuck a bit in the level 3700-4000 cny then a push over 4000 thats what i think [2016-08-15 15:19:07] wotan : when there will be a big economic crysis impact i expect btc to push more and in a fast time [2016-08-15 15:19:23] wotan : but as always lets see [2016-08-15 15:25:50] Tetsuo : question is, will ETH act as a hedge to BTC? [2016-08-15 15:29:04] Tetsuo : and of course there is always the upcoming block limit fork hanging aboves bitcoins neck like a sword which could take it to 100$ [2016-08-15 15:30:22] Tetsuo : i pulled out 80% of my funds from crypto @~720 and withdraw it to my bank account and me personall yi´m not plannin to enter BTC before the forking drama is solved [2016-08-15 15:31:16] Tetsuo : the rest is for playin alts and shortin BTC [2016-08-15 15:31:54] Rado : Tetsuo: you are funny man [2016-08-15 15:33:27] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 1950 @ 562.10 [2016-08-15 15:33:32] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBJ24H`: Sell 3000 @ 57368.0 [2016-08-15 15:36:03] Tetsuo : Stamp below BTC-E [2016-08-15 15:37:02] Rado : BTC-E has been stable [2016-08-15 15:42:02] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 10000 @ 560.35 [2016-08-15 15:42:54] ayy_lmao : Testuo is usually right, but he casually trolls so few take it serious lol [2016-08-15 15:43:32] ayy_lmao : idk about returning to 300s tho [2016-08-15 15:47:04] justinlooking : haha go bitcoin https://github.com/theshadowbrokers/EQGRP-AUCTION [2016-08-15 15:47:24] Rado : ETC dumping [2016-08-15 15:50:21] Rado : justinlooking: lol, that is funny [2016-08-15 15:54:22] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC7D`: Sell 73 @ 0.003294 [2016-08-15 15:55:47] Tetsuo : ayy_lmao: my character is the clear opposite of rapidtrades : _ ) [2016-08-15 15:56:22] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC7D`: Sell 50 @ 0.003268 [2016-08-15 16:02:47] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 2300 @ 558.19 [2016-08-15 16:04:35] Roevenger : Rado: ether foundation dumps are a trend now, they will regret later [2016-08-15 16:07:40] Tetsuo : i guess there is always someone to blame when a multimillion dollar crypto fails. banksters, hackers, ether foundation. ETC has never been more than a joke, altough a expensive one, it will fail as hard as it can [2016-08-15 16:09:04] Tetsuo : it was a single pump and dup bubble and it will go back to the levels where it started and stay flat after that [2016-08-15 16:21:04] zanza : ETC is basically the same thing as ETH [2016-08-15 16:21:20] zanza : the "dapps" can be pretty simply ported to ETC from ETH [2016-08-15 16:30:06] Tetsuo : BTC had thousands of clones that work, some of the even better, still everyone wants to stay with the original. [2016-08-15 16:34:41] zanza : BTC is more about store of value, ETH is about "smart contracts" [2016-08-15 16:34:55] zanza : so if you can get the same contact done for cheaper, seems ok [2016-08-15 16:38:27] Tetsuo : shouldn´t everyone be buyin LISK then? [2016-08-15 16:39:24] Rado : Lisk has some nice platform features [2016-08-15 16:39:48] Rado : side chains and smart contract capability, but build in the application [2016-08-15 16:39:59] Tetsuo : are smart contracts from ETH or ETC really used? how many companies are using them right now? isn´t it right now about price discovery about what ETH(ETC) might be used for in the future? [2016-08-15 16:40:03] Rado : hard to build cohesive application on ETH [2016-08-15 16:41:39] zanza : `Soon™` [2016-08-15 16:41:47] Tetsuo : Rado: i´m sure LISk will get it´s pump in the future, could take a bit, but buyin a few of them spot probably won´t hurt [2016-08-15 16:41:51] Rado : Tetsuo: many companies are building shit [2016-08-15 16:41:59] Tetsuo : Rado: i agree on that one [2016-08-15 16:42:01] Rado : but nothing to scream about that is live [2016-08-15 16:42:05] zanza : ETH has 1 billion marketcap [2016-08-15 16:42:14] Rado : at least steem has working application with users [2016-08-15 16:43:14] Rado : Tetsuo: I still have my LSK from the ICO [2016-08-15 16:43:15] Rado : 30k [2016-08-15 16:43:21] Rado : did not sell on the small pumps [2016-08-15 16:43:26] Rado : waiting for the big one :-) [2016-08-15 16:43:33] Rado : 0.003-0.004 [2016-08-15 16:44:06] pigeons : i thought bitcoin users were annoying until i starting reading steemit [2016-08-15 16:44:22] Tetsuo : they can´t be worse [2016-08-15 16:44:23] rapidtrades : why :) [2016-08-15 16:52:24] rapidtrades : guys cmon...smone take these tokens off my hands [2016-08-15 16:52:35] rapidtrades : im not paying 5% discount [2016-08-15 16:54:36] Tetsuo : Are you long onf BFX? what has this world become... [2016-08-15 16:54:56] rapidtrades : it's still at a discount brah [2016-08-15 16:55:09] rapidtrades : pick Up SoMe CheaP CoInZ [2016-08-15 16:55:33] Tetsuo : fuck u, no way : - D [2016-08-15 16:56:01] Roevenger : Tetsuo: ETH price is over the top considering its use and current real world adoption, ETC reflects more the "real" price of the current ethereum platform, considering there's a lot of expectations towards what the ETC dev team will do I expect rising prices to meet ETH [2016-08-15 16:57:06] zanza : ETH is so high, simple because Bitcoin blocks are full [2016-08-15 16:57:19] zanza : imo [2016-08-15 16:58:11] rapidtrades : bitcoin blocks are not FULL they were never full [2016-08-15 16:58:23] Roevenger : there's a lot of institutional interest on the price level holding @zanza [2016-08-15 16:58:42] zanza : rapidtrades: ? [2016-08-15 16:58:54] rapidtrades : WHAT [2016-08-15 16:59:11] zanza : why do you say the blocks aren't full? [2016-08-15 17:00:03] Roevenger : think of all the people who bought ETH at 250 or higher to enter the DAO train, there were big players, the same way they could pressure ETH to do the HF they can pressure them to hold the price for later escape plans [2016-08-15 17:01:03] zanza : we will see, but as far as ETH being useful for any "apps" I don't see that happening for about 5 years [2016-08-15 17:01:31] Roevenger : and by that time bitcoin might have more dapps than ethereum lol [2016-08-15 17:02:10] laisee : anything could be written in <= 2 yrs ... like Bitcoin [2016-08-15 17:03:13] I-am-Legend : too much speculation here.. lulz.. people that bought eth at 250 were big players.. REALLY were they? [2016-08-15 17:04:02] I-am-Legend : like any big player that has money would be stupid enough to invest in a shitcoin & a contract of shit coin.. big players get big for a reason they are not stupid.. [2016-08-15 17:04:25] rapidtrades : yeah they were pretty fat [2016-08-15 17:04:30] I-am-Legend : only peole that were in the DAO were greedy bagholders that had nothing else to do with their eth.. wanted to make more money [2016-08-15 17:04:32] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBJ24H`: Sell 20 @ 54323.0 [2016-08-15 17:04:57] pigeons : i can't imagine anyone thinking DAO tokens would ever increase in value [2016-08-15 17:05:07] pigeons : first they had to get everyone to agree to invest in something [2016-08-15 17:05:15] laisee : it was a nice experiment, some useful results but no profit except for the haacker [2016-08-15 17:05:25] pigeons : then that something had to be not "get paid to lock your bike" and actually make money [2016-08-15 17:05:36] pigeons : then everything elese had to go right [2016-08-15 17:06:15] I-am-Legend : it was not a nice experiment ,DAO was a shitty scam & eth is a failed experiment [2016-08-15 17:06:22] laisee : I woulkd buy BukeSheddingCoin [2016-08-15 17:06:44] laisee : I-am-Legend: u lost money? [2016-08-15 17:07:13] I-am-Legend : how can i lose money lol.. cause im bashing it haha if i had money there would be supporting it .. [2016-08-15 17:07:44] laisee : or u lost money and feeling some butt-hurtness [2016-08-15 17:07:53] rapidtrades : We are not buying/selling/trading any bfx tokens, it is our goal to redeem all of the outstanding bfx tokens at their $1 face value and will be doing everything we can to achieve that. As such, we will not be buying any of the bfx token on the market [2016-08-15 17:08:01] I-am-Legend : i made 200 btc + from eth doesnt change the fact that its a failed coding project, shit coins come & go just have to milk them for profit [2016-08-15 17:08:02] rapidtrades : zane is alive [2016-08-15 17:08:03] pigeons : maybe they could have made a nice experiment, but they did eerything possible to avoid any chance of that in favor of rushing it out so they could scam [2016-08-15 17:08:50] laisee : pigeons: so now we know to be more careful next time [2016-08-15 17:09:03] pigeons : no you dont know to be more careful, because you got repaid [2016-08-15 17:09:13] I-am-Legend : hahha waiting for next fork, we are going to have LightEth, DietEth, darkEth, CoolEth [2016-08-15 17:09:38] pigeons : you specifically destroyed your coin for everyone so that you wouldnt not learn to be more careful [2016-08-15 17:09:40] laisee : actually, I proposed ETD, ETF, ETG, ETH ... [2016-08-15 17:09:59] Roevenger : I-am-Legend: if ETC rises i don't see ETH getting even to the PoS phase [2016-08-15 17:10:02] pigeons : wouldnt learn, not wouldnt not learn... [2016-08-15 17:11:04] Rado : rapidtrades: http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKCN10Q0DQ [2016-08-15 17:11:14] I-am-Legend : it will be dead long before that, anything that hardforks & doubles supply is a scam.. most shitcoins just scams to get more BTC. [2016-08-15 17:11:35] rapidtrades : Rado: yeah i know, posted that to our sub this morning [2016-08-15 17:11:46] Rado : k [2016-08-15 17:11:59] Roevenger : this past week we had Factom, Maid and Dash scamming people with silly hopes on them [2016-08-15 17:12:04] I-am-Legend : this one has had huge hack & harforked, the worst shitcoins dont have a record that bad.. even doubled supply lol.. cant they get it more wrong lulz.. [2016-08-15 17:12:11] Roevenger : apparently Monero is next [2016-08-15 17:13:51] rapidtrades : next for what [2016-08-15 17:14:59] Roevenger : quick pump and dump [2016-08-15 17:15:35] laisee : mined monero for some time. it's got some nice features compared to BTC [2016-08-15 17:23:46] lockhedge : more than 20 yrs ago my cousin had good arguments that FidoNet is better than the internet [2016-08-15 17:24:32] lockhedge : it still exists https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FidoNet [2016-08-15 17:30:57] Arpstorm : Uhm, what the heck is going on with XBJ24H? [2016-08-15 17:33:14] Tetsuo : MtGox is about to liquidate the Rest of their stolen coins in Japan to give back their former customer 10% of what they lost. [2016-08-15 17:34:26] Tetsuo : 200k somerhin it was as Far as i remember [2016-08-15 17:34:41] Arpstorm : Ah, ok that's cool. [2016-08-15 17:35:48] Arpstorm : Just wondering if everyone long got liquidated but doesn't seem so from looking at the recent trades [2016-08-15 17:35:53] Tetsuo : Bitstamp Buy side Can absorb that 200k easily [2016-08-15 17:36:03] habibi : 200k btc? [2016-08-15 17:36:10] Tetsuo : Yes [2016-08-15 17:36:35] habibi : ah u were joking with bitstamp buy side than, ok [2016-08-15 17:36:57] jan : haha at 10$ maybe 1M [2016-08-15 17:38:30] Arpstorm : dear bitmex, I'd like to realize that PNL on my short now, please [2016-08-15 17:47:13] BitMEX_Wally : Arpstorm: You can realise (i.e. lock in) the PNL by closing your short, but the profit cannot be withdrawn until the contract rebalances [2016-08-15 17:48:31] lockhedge : BitMEX_Wally: have a look at Quoine's index price [2016-08-15 17:48:49] BitMEX_Wally : Quoine is down at the moment [2016-08-15 18:02:22] lockhedge : BitMEX_Wally: i fear your partnership with Quoine doesn't make it easy to add a second exchange to the index, but you should really consider it [2016-08-15 18:15:41] Airmike : BitMEX_Wally: Hi [2016-08-15 18:16:12] Airmike : I just want to let you know that I just sent email to Greg [2016-08-15 18:16:53] Airmike : he sent me request [2016-08-15 18:17:41] Airmike : Thanks [2016-08-15 18:44:23] BitMEX_Greg : Airmike: Thanks will take a look [2016-08-15 18:54:14] Tetsuo : BitMEX_Greg: IF china / HK would ban BTC/CNY exchanges, would your site be affected? [2016-08-15 18:55:26] Tetsuo : or could i still safely do the short of my life in here if this should happen? [2016-08-15 18:55:42] BitMEX_Wally : We would not be affected [2016-08-15 18:55:59] Tetsuo : thanks [2016-08-15 18:56:04] BitMEX_Greg : @Tetsuo We don't take fiat [2016-08-15 19:03:26] rapidtrades : Greg laying down the LAW [2016-08-15 19:03:47] rapidtrades : man how long does it take to email a simple NO [2016-08-15 19:03:52] rapidtrades : f*cking bitfinex man [2016-08-15 19:04:28] rapidtrades : did anyone else email them asking for their monies [2016-08-15 19:06:37] rapidtrades : https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/4xuxy1/nsa_hacked_hackers_asking_for_1_million_btc_to/ [2016-08-15 19:06:43] rapidtrades : btw reddit down AGAIN [2016-08-15 19:08:12] Rado : no [2016-08-15 19:08:29] rapidtrades : no what [2016-08-15 19:08:46] Rado : but I feel like emailing to ask when do they plan to replace the BFX tokens in my account with the equivalent USD [2016-08-15 19:09:24] rapidtrades : do it man [2016-08-15 19:09:31] Tetsuo : Rado: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdSqLfuRN18 [2016-08-15 19:09:41] rapidtrades : nothing to lose [2016-08-15 19:10:04] Rado : Tetsuo: lol [2016-08-15 19:14:50] rapidtrades : man not a single trade in 12 hrs...wtf [2016-08-15 19:15:14] rapidtrades : why is noone trading the tokens anymore [2016-08-15 19:17:36] Tetsuo : fundamentals for that "coin" are flawed [2016-08-15 19:18:30] Tetsuo : rapidtrades: i´ll move it for ya [2016-08-15 19:19:13] rapidtrades : u asshole [2016-08-15 19:19:17] Tetsuo : <-----smashed that bitch down [2016-08-15 19:19:22] rapidtrades : u moved it the whore way [2016-08-15 19:19:29] rapidtrades : wrong* [2016-08-15 19:19:41] Tetsuo : freudian slip? [2016-08-15 19:19:49] rapidtrades : I typed whore...wtf...I must've been thinking abour ur mother [2016-08-15 19:20:04] Tetsuo : my mother died 3 days ago... [2016-08-15 19:20:14] rapidtrades : i really doubt that [2016-08-15 19:20:30] Tetsuo : ur a bad person [2016-08-15 19:21:00] Tetsuo : Karma will hit you hard , sooon [2016-08-15 19:21:39] justinlooking : if u shuffle rapidtrades u can get [2016-08-15 19:21:54] justinlooking : pi sad retard [2016-08-15 19:22:37] rapidtrades : i'll need a pen and paper to confirm that one [2016-08-15 19:25:02] rapidtrades : huh ur right [2016-08-15 19:40:10] Tetsuo : ETH/BTC---> moon soon! my own legit TA says so [2016-08-15 19:50:54] Zen Trader : NSA has actually been hacked and they culprits are selling the dump for 1 mil Bitcoins, if you dont beleive me I implore you to google search it on google news or got to R/Bitcoin [2016-08-15 19:52:50] Kalman : and immediately uncle sam is buying 1 mio btc in the market ... [2016-08-15 19:53:14] Zen Trader : No russia or China [2016-08-15 19:53:27] Zen Trader : Anyone can buy US secrets for 1 mil Bitcoin [2016-08-15 19:54:13] Kalman : or IRAN, ... [2016-08-15 19:55:00] Kalman : but why would someone give a ... what data a US agency collects about their own citizens [2016-08-15 19:55:21] rapidtrades : shut up zentrader [2016-08-15 19:56:33] Tetsuo : this once again just proves that the only real world usage for BTC is for criminal avtivities. USA should ban it rather sooner than later! [2016-08-15 19:56:54] Kalman : beg to disagree [2016-08-15 19:56:57] rapidtrades : i can't find the story in any major news outlet yet [2016-08-15 19:57:06] Tetsuo : might even bring world peace, as China and Russia are also aready plannin to ban it [2016-08-15 19:57:25] rapidtrades : how do we know its the NSA and not just the website? that seems way more likely [2016-08-15 19:57:47] Tetsuo : they released hackin tools [2016-08-15 19:57:58] Tetsuo : which they stole from them [2016-08-15 19:58:21] Kalman : what about TAX saving or hiding stuff from SAM [2016-08-15 19:58:23] Tetsuo : http://motherboard.vice.com/read/hackers-hack-nsa-linked-equation-group [2016-08-15 19:58:35] Zen Trader : Market Buy this is too cool [2016-08-15 19:58:56] Kalman : https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/4xuxy1/nsa_hacked_hackers_asking_for_1_million_btc_to/ [2016-08-15 19:58:58] rapidtrades : if u market buy on this u need ur head examines [2016-08-15 19:59:10] Zen Trader : Hella Bullish on the next level hacking news ... Mr robot in real lif e [2016-08-15 19:59:25] rapidtrades : who the f*ck are u [2016-08-15 20:00:16] Zen Trader : rapidtrades still havnt found the news its on r bitcoinand if you search NSA hacked it comes up [2016-08-15 20:01:25] rapidtrades : k [2016-08-15 20:01:44] rapidtrades : man i got raped another 0.2% [2016-08-15 20:02:03] Tetsuo : http://www.forbes.com/sites/thomasbrewster/2016/08/15/nsa-hacked-shadow-brokers-equation-group-leak/#73fb8b8b77f9 [2016-08-15 20:02:20] rapidtrades : i gotta find another exchange [2016-08-15 20:09:30] Tetsuo : "The hackers released 60 per cent of the files they claimed to have taken from the Equation Group. The Shadow Brokers said they would release the remaining data to the highest bidder in a Bitcoin auction (they’ve received two bids so far). If they received an extraordinary 1,000,000 Bitcoins, worth roughly $560 million, they would release all the files." Sounds a bit stupid if you ask me? Not like a very sound plan to get the most money out of it [2016-08-15 20:10:57] Tetsuo : well maybe that´s y they are demanding BTC--> it attracts all kinds of financially retared people [2016-08-15 20:12:46] Tetsuo : "“If you want know your networks hacked, you send bitcoin. If you want hack networks as like equation group, you send bitcoin. If you want reverse, write many words, make big name for self, get many customers, you send bitcoin. If want to know what we take, you send bitcoin.” Did they hire the best nigerian scammers available to get this text written? [2016-08-15 20:15:48] Tetsuo : Hackers and cryptocrimnals blackmailing the USA ---> bad news for BTC [2016-08-15 20:16:29] Tetsuo : Jail all the criminals! Bitcoiners first! [2016-08-15 20:26:14] xzsd : i,i gogo etc [2016-08-15 20:31:02] BitMEX_Sam : The text is odd - awkwardly worded but spelled correctly [2016-08-15 20:31:49] justinlooking : like it has been run thru google translate a couple of times [2016-08-15 20:44:08] zanza : BitMEX_Sam: they are probably changing their linguistic to avoid tracing [2016-08-15 20:44:24] zanza : doing a few runs with translate would be smart, but [2016-08-15 20:44:26] BitMEX_Sam : seemed like it, yeah. [2016-08-15 20:44:33] zanza : i wonder if Google saves their translate requests [2016-08-15 20:44:44] zanza : to locate them, probably using VPN though [2016-08-15 20:45:01] rapidtrades : so is the actual database hacked or what [2016-08-15 20:51:26] justinlooking : wut [2016-08-15 21:01:10] zanza : so Finex is back to being #1 volume? [2016-08-15 21:01:32] rapidtrades : yeah, right [2016-08-15 21:02:10] zanza : http://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/bitcoin/#markets [2016-08-15 21:05:47] muirtastic : Yes what a joke. People aren't too bright. It may work out for them but just not smart at this time to have funds on Finex [2016-08-15 23:33:22] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETHXBT`: Buy 200 @ 0.01979 [2016-08-15 23:57:52] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETHXBT`: Buy 200 @ 0.01988 [2016-08-16 00:45:25] rapidtrades : anyone on steemit? got a few quick qs [2016-08-16 01:43:29] billyboy402 : what the best email to reply for support ? and why the hell is it soo hard to find on the website [2016-08-16 01:44:42] billyboy402 : BitMEX_Sam: are the Sept qtly contract going to be renew after settlement [2016-08-16 02:02:44] Rado : billyboy402: support@bitmex.com [2016-08-16 03:14:00] thomas : hi [2016-08-16 03:16:34] gerrry : hi, this is me [2016-08-16 03:16:50] gerrry : this is hide gerrrry [2016-08-16 03:33:43] w0x : damp it [2016-08-16 04:03:02] French_Canadian : Are you guys long on BFX? [2016-08-16 04:49:26] Tetsuo : only rapidtrades is [2016-08-16 06:09:07] jose : I closed my long BFX and took my +25% [2016-08-16 08:01:51] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC7D`: Sell 23 @ 0.003233 [2016-08-16 10:39:52] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 1450 @ 0.01943 [2016-08-16 12:36:58] gaoMex : Why is the funding for XBTUSD in a day? [2016-08-16 12:51:22] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 38 @ 0.01940 [2016-08-16 12:52:59] BitMEX_Sam : gaoMex: It's not, it's in 7 hours [2016-08-16 12:58:34] rapidtrades : Arthur really pounding Bitfinex in the latest digest [2016-08-16 12:58:51] rapidtrades : asking all the tough qs...nice work [2016-08-16 12:59:54] BitMEX_Sam : It's not really a pounding to be honest. This one is very objective - how should you value these tokens? [2016-08-16 13:00:07] BitMEX_Sam : And honestly, given the information we have today from BFX (very little), it doesn't look good. [2016-08-16 13:03:50] rapidtrades : agree...i asked zane for answers again today but still nothing [2016-08-16 13:05:00] rapidtrades : it says a lot that they sent that shill Todd account to make a post...they have no clue what to do [2016-08-16 13:08:46] rapidtrades : also really strange how those hacked coins just sit there [2016-08-16 13:40:12] BitMEX_Greg : He might be trying to negotiate with a bitcoin tumbler [2016-08-16 13:57:56] zanza : so did willybot ever shut this site down? [2016-08-16 13:58:18] zanza : heard he was going to release bombshell [2016-08-16 13:59:42] rapidtrades : yeah arthur is winding down this site [2016-08-16 14:06:32] BitMEX_Sam : Just another troublemaker. [2016-08-16 14:23:43] Rado : zanza: you believe his shit? [2016-08-16 14:26:51] VenCap : ETC to the MOOOON :P [2016-08-16 14:27:30] Rado : /me slaps VenCap with a large trout [2016-08-16 14:28:17] VenCap : English, 2016, river trent. fine Trout, cheers [2016-08-16 14:41:08] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 20000 @ 572.56 **MEGA-REKT** :boom: [2016-08-16 14:41:08] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 30 @ 572.41 [2016-08-16 14:42:57] VenCap : lol@mega rekt [2016-08-16 14:43:09] aethlios : are we fucking going up??? really up.... [2016-08-16 14:43:22] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 3000 @ 573.18 [2016-08-16 14:43:30] zanza : rado he does have a lot of proof [2016-08-16 14:43:39] zanza : plus he knows a lot of insiders [2016-08-16 14:47:52] sleger : zanza: proof about what ? [2016-08-16 14:50:48] zanza : proof that bitmex plays MM [2016-08-16 14:51:13] zanza : he literally saw the orders being pulled when the price dropped [2016-08-16 15:03:59] sleger : orders get pulled all the time, and that doesnt show any relation to bitmex. The one time I saw what he chatted he had nothing except saying "you will see..." [2016-08-16 15:04:18] CaptainDean : Yeah i pull my order al lthe time just to fuck around with the bots [2016-08-16 15:07:48] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 19000 @ 576.63 [2016-08-16 15:07:48] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 6000 @ 576.36 [2016-08-16 15:08:20] rapidtrades : is bitfinex still honoring BTC withdrawals [2016-08-16 15:08:39] herpinator : gg that was my liquidation I am retarded [2016-08-16 15:08:48] herpinator : I'll have to try harder next time [2016-08-16 15:09:11] herpinator : its in the name I guess [2016-08-16 15:09:11] CaptainDean : use less leverage [2016-08-16 15:09:17] herpinator : aye [2016-08-16 15:09:31] CaptainDean : :D [2016-08-16 15:10:33] 4lph4 : herpinator: you're not alone on the loss herp [2016-08-16 15:14:58] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 26596 @ 577.24 **MEGA-REKT** :boom: [2016-08-16 15:22:28] rapidtrades : bitfinex buying? [2016-08-16 15:33:36] sleger : is arthur short BFX coin ? [2016-08-16 15:34:27] rapidtrades : sleger: are u? [2016-08-16 15:42:12] sleger : no long since bitfinex gifted me a lot of it. I hedged 10% here but since I said I would only trade 10% max here until bitmex pays me back the money stolen then I cant hedge more... [2016-08-16 15:46:40] Rado : nice plan sleger [2016-08-16 16:05:38] Rado : I think anything around 0.45-0.5 is short for BFX [2016-08-16 16:05:47] Rado : I don't see it going over 0.5 ever [2016-08-16 16:06:57] Roevenger : what is okc planning, did we really just hit the bottom [2016-08-16 16:51:32] zanza : sleger: why even trade here at all ? [2016-08-16 17:09:55] dasdfasdf : "bitmex pays me back the money stolen"? [2016-08-16 17:23:33] nip : sleger: what happened? [2016-08-16 17:33:57] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 3500 @ 577.73