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[2016-08-13 15:43:28] rapidtrades : ah premium
[2016-08-13 15:44:12] rapidtrades : pretty self-explanatory....if prices here are at 590 and spot is at 585, shorting makes sense
[2016-08-13 15:44:31] rapidtrades : eventually prices will revert
[2016-08-13 15:44:46] rapidtrades : so if u use reasonable risk, u would be ok
[2016-08-13 15:45:07] rapidtrades : but ur still exposed to calwback risk and counter-party risk
[2016-08-13 15:45:57] rapidtrades : premiums or discount usually happen during volatile markets and thats' when u get clawbacks too
[2016-08-13 15:49:55] ersagun : but how would I make a profit if the price increases? wouldn't I lose BTC thanks to my short position? Yes, the BTC I have will be worth more but would that result in profit?
[2016-08-13 15:50:23] BitMEX_Wally : You would neither make a profit or a loss.
[2016-08-13 15:50:36] BitMEX_Wally : You would have a hedged position so are immune to price changes
[2016-08-13 15:50:53] ersagun : BitMEX_Wally: that's what I understand. but the guide claims otherwise
[2016-08-13 15:51:15] BitMEX_Wally : If the funding rate is positive then you make a profit from shorting the swap
[2016-08-13 15:51:31] BitMEX_Wally : Or if you're looking at futures, you make a profit from selling the future at a price higher than you buy spot
[2016-08-13 15:51:33] ersagun : but you never know the rates
[2016-08-13 15:51:44] ersagun : I mean, anticipate for mid-term
[2016-08-13 15:53:25] BitMEX_Wally : On average they are positive, but due to the Bitfinex debacle they have been negative recently
[2016-08-13 15:53:49] rapidtrades : BitMEX_Wally: positive as in longs get paid?
[2016-08-13 15:54:16] ersagun : on positive, longs pay shorts I believe
[2016-08-13 15:56:35] BitMEX_Wally : Correct
[2016-08-13 16:00:06] rapidtrades : but if u see a minus that means longs get paid
[2016-08-13 16:01:25] arbitrage001 : haha
[2016-08-13 16:01:28] arbitrage001 : bfxcoin going up
[2016-08-13 16:01:38] arbitrage001 : guess i am not totally stupid
[2016-08-13 16:01:45] arbitrage001 : buying at less than 0.3
[2016-08-13 16:02:06] rapidtrades : like i said...announcement could be coming soon
[2016-08-13 16:02:16] rapidtrades : these ppl inside the shit out of trading
[2016-08-13 16:03:35] arbitrage001 : told you 0.3 is a good bet
[2016-08-13 16:04:13] arbitrage001 : you could spend a few millions to develop and exchange and it may turn out like gemini or itbit
[2016-08-13 16:04:26] arbitrage001 : investment down the sink
[2016-08-13 16:07:52] zanza : http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-08-11/expert-says-rising-rapes-sweden-due-global-warming-not-soaring-muslim-immigation
[2016-08-13 16:23:58] Rado : shit coin is going up
[2016-08-13 16:24:08] Rado : back over 0.0006
[2016-08-13 16:24:15] Rado : or 0.35 USD
[2016-08-13 16:40:32] laisee : the hackers are buying it up, maybe
[2016-08-13 16:42:31] JH : not for long
[2016-08-13 16:50:57] bernx : BitMEX_Wally: wtf with FCT?
[2016-08-13 16:51:18] BitMEX_Sam : Looks like the main quoter dropped because of that large crash
[2016-08-13 16:57:05] rapidtrades : BitMEX_Sam: any profit from bfx is released friday?
[2016-08-13 17:00:16] BitMEX_Sam : rapidtrades: Yes
[2016-08-13 17:07:17] rapidtrades : lots of Americans reporting issues https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/4xiyp0/bitfinex_us_accounts_frozen/
[2016-08-13 17:12:10] rapidtrades : 36 cents...nice
[2016-08-13 17:12:40] rapidtrades : they are definitely working on the announcement lol
[2016-08-13 17:12:45] rapidtrades : these ppl are snakes man
[2016-08-13 17:14:36] laisee : profitable snakes.
[2016-08-13 17:16:27] rapidtrades : it was a nonstop rise past few hrs....smone knows smth
[2016-08-13 17:18:43] rapidtrades : is 25e extra good price to get extra 16gb storage and 1gb memory on a phone
[2016-08-13 17:19:15] rapidtrades : how much do those 16gb storage thinggies go for these days?
[2016-08-13 17:20:03] BitMEX_Sam : Practically nothing
[2016-08-13 17:20:06] BitMEX_Sam : $12 or so
[2016-08-13 17:20:35] BitMEX_Sam : I'd find the extra RAM more compelling, I find my phone running out all the time even with 3GB
[2016-08-13 17:20:59] laisee : 9.88 @ Walmart
[2016-08-13 17:21:43] rapidtrades : so would u guys pay that 25e extra or what...doubt i'll need 32gb soon if ever
[2016-08-13 17:22:29] laisee : depends - how much use for the phone and kind of apps?
[2016-08-13 17:22:47] BitMEX_Sam : I would for the RAM
[2016-08-13 17:23:07] BitMEX_Sam : the storage... depends on whether or not you take a lot of photos or store a lot of local music
[2016-08-13 17:23:11] rapidtrades : just general trading aps and normal stuff...skype etc
[2016-08-13 17:23:13] BitMEX_Sam : and whether or not it has an SD slot
[2016-08-13 17:23:17] rapidtrades : i don't game on mobiles
[2016-08-13 17:23:20] laisee : i know people fill up the phone with pics and videos. others need RAM for apps - like SAM says
[2016-08-13 17:23:37] rapidtrades : BitMEX_Sam: yea there's extra storage but it replaces one of the sim slots
[2016-08-13 17:23:52] BitMEX_Sam : That's probably fine
[2016-08-13 17:25:58] rapidtrades : so how much of a difference would 2gb vs 3gb make....my last phone was kinda trash 1gb i think?
[2016-08-13 17:27:17] rapidtrades : i don't have a reference point on the perf boost if any
[2016-08-13 17:27:54] laisee : more is better, but also depends on CPU
[2016-08-13 17:31:05] I-am-Legend : hi guys
[2016-08-13 17:31:13] I-am-Legend : what is the limit thing
[2016-08-13 17:31:55] BitMEX_Wally : https://www.bitmex.com/app/riskLimits
[2016-08-13 17:36:21] I-am-Legend : i want to place contract get message saying you have to increase limit i was at the first level
[2016-08-13 17:36:32] I-am-Legend : do i pay more going up to next level in fees
[2016-08-13 17:36:52] I-am-Legend : what is that system for protect against losses ?
[2016-08-13 17:39:44] CryptoWealth : BitMEX_Wally: Question: is the swap lending rate still paid out from longs to shorts?
[2016-08-13 17:41:23] BitMEX_Sam : I-am-Legend: You do not pay more fees, you are simply required to put up more margin
[2016-08-13 17:41:43] BitMEX_Sam : It effectively limits your maximum leverage if your position gets too large, which helps prevent excessively large liquidations that could cause DPE
[2016-08-13 17:45:03] CryptoWealth : BitMEX_Sam: Just want to make sure I understand all the settlement details. Perpetual swaps lock in profits or losses 3 times a day and swap fees are paid from longs to shorts. Am I correct in my understanding? Thanks
[2016-08-13 17:45:46] BitMEX_Sam : They lock in PNL once a day, funding is paid three times a day
[2016-08-13 17:46:18] BitMEX_Sam : So rebalance (lock in PNL) is every day at 12:00 UTC, funding is 12:00, 20:00, and 04:00
[2016-08-13 17:46:56] CryptoWealth : BitMEX_Sam: I see, and funding is still longs pay shorts to compensate for the fact that shorts still hold bitcoin?
[2016-08-13 17:47:51] BitMEX_Sam : Funding is an approximation of the daily futures premium you would pay on a traditional future
[2016-08-13 17:48:03] BitMEX_Sam : Both sides of the transaction are technically holding bitcoin.
[2016-08-13 17:51:24] CryptoWealth : BitMEX_Sam: True. I just want to make sure I understand the full details for a video. The system changed a bit since I was actively trading here a lot. From what I understand, if I'm in a short position I receive funding from longs? So if timed right I can use it as a means to create passive income. Thanks
[2016-08-13 17:52:03] BitMEX_Sam : Yes, that's correct. Now, there may be days where funding is negative, which simulates a basis swing. But it tends positive. See https://www.bitmex.com/app/fundingHistory
[2016-08-13 17:52:26] CryptoWealth : ok thanks
[2016-08-13 17:57:12] rapidtrades : BitMEX_Sam: do u think bitfinex outtage few weeks ago could have smth to do with the hack? seems too coincidental
[2016-08-13 17:57:51] BitMEX_Sam : rapidtrades: I've heard rumors that something may have been intercepted during the datacenter move, but nothing is confirmed.
[2016-08-13 17:58:28] rapidtrades : is that move done online?
[2016-08-13 17:59:45] BitMEX_Sam : I believe they set up a mirror dc then switched over, but there were issues with the switch. No info released on whether or not the data was transferred online or physically
[2016-08-13 18:01:11] rapidtrades : in any case it would be encrypted i would think?
[2016-08-13 18:01:24] rapidtrades : then again its bitfinex lol
[2016-08-13 18:01:56] rapidtrades : prolly sent it as email attachment
[2016-08-13 18:02:27] BitMEX_Sam : I'm sure they sent it over ssh/rsync if they did it online
[2016-08-13 18:03:33] Poop : how is realised profit and loss calculated
[2016-08-13 18:03:35] Poop : over time?
[2016-08-13 18:05:32] rapidtrades : BitMEX_Sam: how sure are u? because we were sure 95% of their coins were in cold storage
[2016-08-13 18:06:25] BitMEX_Sam : Well. I can't imagine doing it any other way. I doubt anyone with more than a month of sysadmin experience would do anything else. All speculation
[2016-08-13 18:06:36] BitMEX_Sam : Poop: Yes it is calculated in realtime.
[2016-08-13 18:07:18] rapidtrades : my instinct tells me they're guilty
[2016-08-13 18:07:19] BitMEX_Sam : It is calculated over the lifetime of the contract. So if you open and close a position, and open and close another one, it is the total of PNL for both.
[2016-08-13 18:07:40] rapidtrades : they either royally messed up or they were running some scheme in house
[2016-08-13 18:07:52] rapidtrades : insider trading, house bots etc
[2016-08-13 18:08:26] pigeons : The authenticity of host newdc.bitfinex.com cannot be established. ECDSA Key fingerprint blahh. Are you sure you want to continue connecting?
[2016-08-13 18:08:30] BitMEX_Sam : I can't speculate on that, we really don't know.
[2016-08-13 18:08:50] rapidtrades : they seem very desperate to avoid liquidation and outside parties getting involved
[2016-08-13 18:08:55] laisee : rapidtrades: it was known that BFX were using BitGo, therefore not Cold storage
[2016-08-13 18:09:02] rapidtrades : they're hiding smth
[2016-08-13 18:09:10] BitMEX_Sam : Well, they claimed (and continue to claim) that only 0.5% was hot in BitGo
[2016-08-13 18:09:16] rapidtrades : yes ^^^
[2016-08-13 18:09:23] BitMEX_Sam : https://www.bitfinex.com/security_policy
[2016-08-13 18:09:27] rapidtrades : the email said 'hot wallet' tho
[2016-08-13 18:09:31] rapidtrades : notice the ''
[2016-08-13 18:09:47] BitMEX_Sam : >>> Multi-sig Hot wallet Provided by BitGo (BitGo FAQ) Only holds minimal amounts (~0.5% of customer funds)
[2016-08-13 18:09:49] rapidtrades : but yeah the assumtion was that the rest was in cold
[2016-08-13 18:10:16] BitMEX_Sam : Yeah that's a very reasonable assumption from what that says.
[2016-08-13 18:11:20] laisee : "~" ... maybe 0.5% means 0.50 percent. not everyone is god at math ;-/
[2016-08-13 18:11:52] rapidtrades : cospiracy theory: okc and bitfinex were both running in house bots and got caught during that huge rally
[2016-08-13 18:12:17] rapidtrades : so they made a deal....okc to cap the premium will finex manufactured the outtage
[2016-08-13 18:12:24] laisee : both? but okc didn't invent big story?
[2016-08-13 18:12:32] rapidtrades : effectively killed the rally
[2016-08-13 18:12:55] rapidtrades : yeah just talking about of my ass here
[2016-08-13 18:13:12] rapidtrades : but shady ppl tend to stick together
[2016-08-13 18:13:25] laisee : gotta say BFX were pretty organized to get the BFX coin up and running while recovering from hack also.
[2016-08-13 18:13:40] rapidtrades : they had 10+ days?
[2016-08-13 18:14:11] rapidtrades : what's there to organize...just replaced 36% with fake tokens
[2016-08-13 18:14:15] laisee : 10 days to implement new coin while rebuilding all servers ... not easy
[2016-08-13 18:14:28] rapidtrades : it's not a coin just an item in their database
[2016-08-13 18:14:28] BitMEX_Sam : Extremely not easy
[2016-08-13 18:14:45] BitMEX_Sam : I don't believe it's possible to do a full security audit in that amount of time unless you already know for sure how the hack happened
[2016-08-13 18:15:01] rapidtrades : well that's reassuring
[2016-08-13 18:15:24] laisee : BitMEX_Sam: then they knew and prepared b4 announcing the event
[2016-08-13 18:16:00] rapidtrades : no i think they're just winging it cos they're desperate
[2016-08-13 18:16:13] BitMEX_Sam : From scratch, finding and vetting computer forensics experts and getting them in there to audit all your systems would take at least a month, no question
[2016-08-13 18:16:57] laisee : yes, exactly. then taking aoart the whole thing to study weakness, identify trail of events ... months
[2016-08-13 18:17:50] BitMEX_Sam : This probably explains why not all funds were taken: https://i.imgur.com/kO3nt88.jpg
[2016-08-13 18:17:56] rapidtrades : so either an inside job or a massive screw up
[2016-08-13 18:18:15] rapidtrades : or they're just being amateurs in restarting so fast
[2016-08-13 18:19:26] rapidtrades : BitMEX_Sam: so US accounts were not hackable cos 1 key was missing?
[2016-08-13 18:19:28] BitMEX_Sam : I believe they believe that time is of the essence in terms of getting back up, starting to collect fees & getting investment
[2016-08-13 18:19:45] BitMEX_Sam : rapidtrades: I think that means that all US accts were emptied but not other jurisdictions, because they didn't use BitGo
[2016-08-13 18:19:46] rapidtrades : yeah me too....they're risking it
[2016-08-13 18:19:51] laisee : rapidtrades: making money to no 1
[2016-08-13 18:19:54] BitMEX_Sam : But I don't know that for sure.
[2016-08-13 18:20:05] BitMEX_Sam : Well, if they can get external investment and pay people back ASAP all this trouble basically goes away
[2016-08-13 18:20:17] rapidtrades : BitMEX_Sam: that confirms my experience...my wallet wasn't emptied
[2016-08-13 18:20:18] BitMEX_Sam : Where the wrench gets thrown into it is where people have already sold their BFX tokens
[2016-08-13 18:20:44] laisee : why is that?
[2016-08-13 18:20:47] nip : rapidtrades: you wallet was emptied by bfx after the fact
[2016-08-13 18:20:50] BitMEX_Sam : So they have realized their loss.
[2016-08-13 18:20:56] rapidtrades : nip: true :)
[2016-08-13 18:21:04] BitMEX_Sam : They would still have a claim of lost funds.
[2016-08-13 18:21:04] nip : :(
[2016-08-13 18:21:18] BitMEX_Sam : I don't believe they should have allowed BFX trading so soon, it makes recovery so much messier.
[2016-08-13 18:21:23] nip : so sell your tokens and you cant lose?
[2016-08-13 18:21:30] BitMEX_Sam : Maybe.
[2016-08-13 18:21:33] rapidtrades : i think so yeah
[2016-08-13 18:21:46] rapidtrades : i only keep mine cos they still haven't replied to my email
[2016-08-13 18:21:57] nip : it makes sense. i agree they shouldnt be trading tokens
[2016-08-13 18:22:06] laisee : BitMEX_Sam: they are trying to move past the event so fast that no-one can catch them out
[2016-08-13 18:22:09] rapidtrades : all of it was rushed it was a mess
[2016-08-13 18:22:17] BitMEX_Sam : It also opens up the possibility of massive fraud - if BFX buys their own debt for pennies on the dollar... they claim they aren't of course but there is certainly incentive to
[2016-08-13 18:22:46] BitMEX_Sam : laisee: Yeah I agree. Well, they took a massive risk by opening back up so soon. The hacker may still be inside waiting for an opening.
[2016-08-13 18:22:49] rapidtrades : USD holders like me got raped over 36% because they closed out shorts way above market and 2. we had to pay a premium to buy BTC and get out
[2016-08-13 18:23:09] BitMEX_Sam : Yeah. That market was very odd. It went into a discount for the better part of a day, some people got BTC out at very nice prices
[2016-08-13 18:23:17] BitMEX_Sam : I have no idea why that happened.
[2016-08-13 18:23:57] rapidtrades : prices plummeted at mtgox during the problems cos ppl wanted USD in the liquidation
[2016-08-13 18:24:21] BitMEX_Sam : Oh sure. But by all means BTC should be trading at a premium there
[2016-08-13 18:24:36] BitMEX_Sam : Especially since BTC withdrawals have been verified to work. I don't believe any USD withdrawals have been received yet.
[2016-08-13 18:24:59] rapidtrades : hmm yeah, BTC is still the exit point
[2016-08-13 18:25:33] laisee : like other exchanges ... premium on the most liquidatable currencies
[2016-08-13 18:26:08] rapidtrades : look at btce...u can only take out BTC yet a near constant discount
[2016-08-13 18:26:56] rapidtrades : well to clarify most ppl use BTC to get in/out
[2016-08-13 18:27:48] laisee : btc-e. hmmmm
[2016-08-13 18:27:56] rapidtrades : BitMEX_Sam: what do u think about this https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/4xjz4b/bitfinex_still_holding_funds_frozen/
[2016-08-13 18:28:07] rapidtrades : why are they being asked for their key
[2016-08-13 18:28:20] rapidtrades : i thought 2/3 keys unlocks the funds?
[2016-08-13 18:28:35] BitMEX_Sam : It does.
[2016-08-13 18:28:37] BitMEX_Sam : Something is up.
[2016-08-13 18:28:44] laisee : BitGo lost their copy?
[2016-08-13 18:28:46] rapidtrades : yikes
[2016-08-13 18:28:52] BitMEX_Sam : Can anyone confirm they actually were provided a key? I haven't heard that
[2016-08-13 18:29:18] BitMEX_Sam : Still seems like there is rampant confusion re: who is actually BitGo's customer, whether it's the BFX user or BFX itself
[2016-08-13 18:30:00] BitMEX_Sam : That is a really bad sign. I can't fathom why they would ask this, especially for users that don't even have BTC balances
[2016-08-13 18:30:10] BitMEX_Sam : Hope it is just a screwup but of course someone had to draft that email.
[2016-08-13 18:30:43] rapidtrades : bad sign because?
[2016-08-13 18:31:18] BitMEX_Sam : Because there are only two reasons to ask for this: 1. They want to verify your identity, or 2. They lost the key
[2016-08-13 18:31:32] BitMEX_Sam : And there are plenty of other ways they can (and do) verify your identity.
[2016-08-13 18:31:42] rapidtrades : i'd go with door n2 as well
[2016-08-13 18:32:41] rapidtrades : so it again points to that database move? smth went very wrong there
[2016-08-13 18:32:53] BitMEX_Sam : Possible that backups were compromised
[2016-08-13 18:33:02] BitMEX_Sam : But this, if true, indicates multiple screwups
[2016-08-13 18:33:16] lockhedge : most likely reason: an agency (or just BitGO's compliance department) on their own initiative has stopped BitGO from co-signing on Bitfinex's direction
[2016-08-13 18:33:27] rapidtrades : conspiracy theory...they LOST ALL KEYS and they invented the hack so they can sweep all those funds in one address
[2016-08-13 18:33:33] BitMEX_Sam : Either BFX lost its hot, AND lost its backup key, or BFX lost one of the keys & BitGo lost theirs too
[2016-08-13 18:33:50] BitMEX_Sam : I don't believe they gave privkeys to US customers anyway - never heard of that or experienced it
[2016-08-13 18:34:02] BitMEX_Sam : They claimed it was 1x BFX hot, 1x BFX backup & 1x BitGo
[2016-08-13 18:34:32] rapidtrades : this is like the Twilight Zone...some weird shit going on
[2016-08-13 18:34:33] lockhedge : BitMEX_Sam: you never got a private key as verified U.S. customer?
[2016-08-13 18:34:37] BitMEX_Sam : Ah. Someone on Telegram saying only verified accts got one.
[2016-08-13 18:34:43] BitMEX_Sam : lockhedge: ^^ Wasn't aware of that.
[2016-08-13 18:35:05] BitMEX_Sam : Never verified personally, just BTC in & out
[2016-08-13 18:35:08] rapidtrades : what group on telegram? whale thinggy?
[2016-08-13 18:35:15] BitMEX_Sam : Yeah Whalepool
[2016-08-13 18:35:20] rapidtrades : ah cool
[2016-08-13 18:35:40] rapidtrades : i have a really bad feeling about this
[2016-08-13 18:35:59] rapidtrades : i'll prolly sell my tokens right after their announcement
[2016-08-13 18:36:01] BitMEX_Sam : I believe lockhedge has the correct explanation, that makes sense to me.
[2016-08-13 18:36:25] rapidtrades : still doesn't explain why they need the key tho
[2016-08-13 18:36:39] BitMEX_Sam : They just don't seem to have the processes in place to actually segment users who have BTC balances or not. And I wonder what they will do when a user claims they have lost that key.
[2016-08-13 18:36:52] BitMEX_Sam : Also it doesn't seem that uploading it to BFX is the right move if BitGo is denying signing.
[2016-08-13 18:38:24] rapidtrades : plenty of ppl reporting frozen balances here..i think mostly verified Americans https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/4xiyp0/bitfinex_us_accounts_frozen/
[2016-08-13 18:38:47] laisee : hmmm. we an see the multi-sig idea has its downsides in some sceanrios
[2016-08-13 18:39:04] rapidtrades : the simpler explanation is they're mad cos synapse locked them out
[2016-08-13 18:39:25] rapidtrades : so they're using this key excuse to delay
[2016-08-13 18:39:26] laisee : synapse?
[2016-08-13 18:39:33] nip : synapse probably doesnt want to be named in the lawsuit
[2016-08-13 18:40:03] rapidtrades : all Americans with synapse pay got 100% of USD back @laisee
[2016-08-13 18:40:32] laisee : ah, right. forgot about that little exit route
[2016-08-13 18:41:12] rapidtrades : one guy says he had mostly BTC and only $5 usd and they've freezed his withdrawals...brutal
[2016-08-13 18:48:12] laisee : makes sense, they are in fear of US authorities. but then wny issue a new coin before any cause found or employees proven to be innocent?
[2016-08-13 18:50:33] BitMEX_Sam : Honestly multisig is a great thing, just not when poorly implemented
[2016-08-13 18:50:42] BitMEX_Sam : Only downside to multisig is larger txs
[2016-08-13 18:56:52] rapidtrades : how well is bitcoin wallet encryption?if I have set a pass I can still get keylogged right
[2016-08-13 18:58:03] rapidtrades : they should do that keyboard thingy so u don't have to type it in
[2016-08-13 20:56:16] Tetsuo : I'm bullish on BTC and all you beartrolls can't do shit about it!
[2016-08-13 21:17:41] rapidtrades : the only bullish scenario i can imagine is if finex gets investors
[2016-08-13 21:17:59] rapidtrades : and i suspect they went to great lengths to avoid that
[2016-08-13 22:33:14] jonny : lol bitmex added bitfinex token?
[2016-08-13 22:33:27] jonny : i quit:D
[2016-08-13 22:53:02] zanza : Maid is looking pretty hot
[2016-08-13 23:26:29] I-am-Legend : HEY GUYS
[2016-08-13 23:26:54] I-am-Legend : a question for the pros here.. im noob :-)
[2016-08-13 23:27:47] I-am-Legend : what is the difference between closing the contracts yourself & rebalance i know after rebalance is open but your position base price is changed
[2016-08-13 23:28:05] I-am-Legend : what i mean is in relation to fees & profits
[2016-08-13 23:28:48] I-am-Legend : is it better to close positions before rebalance or keep open ?
[2016-08-13 23:29:45] I-am-Legend : im in ETH short now in profit next rebalance in 12 hours was thinking about closing , problem after rebalnce is your base becomes lower in a winning position
[2016-08-13 23:39:32] I-am-Legend : anyone there can help me out.. no mods here ?
[2016-08-13 23:42:57] zanza : opening and closing a trade, you have to pay fees each time
[2016-08-13 23:43:08] zanza : rebalance happens automatically 3x per day
[2016-08-13 23:44:03] zanza : funding rate happens 3x per day, rebalance is different maybe
[2016-08-13 23:49:44] I-am-Legend : rebalance is one per day
[2016-08-13 23:58:25] micmix : I-am-Legend: usually closing position before rebalance and re-opening it again after is more expensive than keeping it
[2016-08-14 00:09:10] BitMEX_Greg : I-am-Legend: Hi is there something I can help you out with or has your question been answered?
[2016-08-14 00:11:37] REKT : Liquidated long on `FCTXBT`: Sell 700 @ 0.003623
[2016-08-14 01:13:43] I-am-Legend : hey greg just wanted to understand if its better to close position & open fresh after rebalance
[2016-08-14 01:14:12] I-am-Legend : regarding fees & interest .
[2016-08-14 01:43:14] twoshoes22 : Is my bfxcoin long position accruing open interest. I cant tell what this realized profit is
[2016-08-14 01:44:01] ayy_lmao : thats the taker fee prob
[2016-08-14 01:44:05] ayy_lmao : one time
[2016-08-14 01:54:57] twoshoes22 : Maker fee you mean ( limit order )
[2016-08-14 01:55:21] ayy_lmao : yah
[2016-08-14 02:22:36] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETC7D`: Buy 104 @ 0.003368
[2016-08-14 03:10:37] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 500 @ 579.85
[2016-08-14 03:10:42] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 2930 @ 579.45
[2016-08-14 03:10:42] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 100 @ 579.39
[2016-08-14 03:12:05] herpinator : big red dildo
[2016-08-14 03:15:33] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 50 @ 579.28
[2016-08-14 03:15:33] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 11111 @ 579.27
[2016-08-14 03:15:33] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 840 @ 579.16
[2016-08-14 03:15:33] REKT : HODL HODL HODL!
[2016-08-14 03:17:02] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 700 @ 578.85
[2016-08-14 03:17:02] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 1000 @ 578.64
[2016-08-14 03:17:31] ayy_lmao : rapidtrades: https://twitter.com/ferdousbhai/status/764661235182886912
[2016-08-14 03:18:15] ayy_lmao : polo seized white hat etc dao funds, so they will prob do the same with dark dao
[2016-08-14 03:18:50] ayy_lmao : https://blog.bity.com/2016/08/13/the-white-hats-and-dao-wars-behind-the-scenes/
[2016-08-14 03:20:32] ayy_lmao : *if dark dao hacker is dumb enough to send to polo that is
[2016-08-14 03:20:46] ayy_lmao : gonna have to sell that shit otc
[2016-08-14 03:24:53] Rado : Chinese Court Awards Damages Against OKCoin, Says It Operates Illegally
[2016-08-14 03:25:15] pigeons : we know he or she is smarter than ethereum developers
[2016-08-14 03:25:17] Rado : not sure if the small drop can be attributed to this news
[2016-08-14 03:25:26] Rado : pigeons: he he
[2016-08-14 03:25:28] Rado : true
[2016-08-14 03:41:57] miramm1115 : Rado: it was a very old case from 2014, not sure why it's making news now
[2016-08-14 04:05:44] Muhammed : Hey guys noob question here but what market does bitmex get their Mark Price or btc
[2016-08-14 04:14:20] miramm1115 : Muhammed: https://www.kaiko.com/bitmex
[2016-08-14 04:16:46] miramm1115 : that's the index, mark price includes funding basis as described here: https://www.bitmex.com/app/swapsGuide
[2016-08-14 05:47:05] rapidtrades : anyone on steemit? how the f*ck do u attach photos
[2016-08-14 05:53:46] rapidtrades : nvm looks like u have to use external source
[2016-08-14 06:11:55] rapidtrades : hmmm tokens stable bitcoin down
[2016-08-14 07:19:07] nip : anyone have a good bfx token chart?
[2016-08-14 07:19:21] nip : with market depth
[2016-08-14 07:20:30] rapidtrades : is it not on TV yet?
[2016-08-14 07:39:07] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETHXBT`: Buy 22 @ 0.02011
[2016-08-14 07:49:54] ayy_lmao : https://cryptowat.ch/bitfinex/bfxusd/1h
[2016-08-14 07:50:08] ayy_lmao : ^ bfx
[2016-08-14 09:00:30] rapidtrades : 37 cents...yep announcement coming soon
[2016-08-14 09:01:10] Martinos : so you suggest that announcement would be positive?
[2016-08-14 09:01:58] rapidtrades : i think initially yeah
[2016-08-14 09:02:32] rapidtrades : cos if they offer anything it would be better then the f*ck all we're getting atm
[2016-08-14 09:03:04] Martinos : yeah could be dont know
[2016-08-14 09:03:10] Martinos : could be each way
[2016-08-14 09:10:22] rapidtrades : buying has been very slow and methodical...may indicate inside jarb
[2016-08-14 09:14:07] rapidtrades : do u guys hold any tokens? what's ur selling point
[2016-08-14 09:14:25] Martinos : no i dont trade that
[2016-08-14 10:04:07] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC7D`: Sell 140 @ 0.003278
[2016-08-14 10:21:45] rapidtrades : 39.5 niceee
[2016-08-14 10:29:49] rapidtrades : aaand 40
[2016-08-14 10:35:30] ayy_lmao : wow
[2016-08-14 10:35:34] ayy_lmao : my feed was paused the whole time
[2016-08-14 10:35:44] ayy_lmao : just refreshed bfx chart lmao
[2016-08-14 10:36:37] rapidtrades : dam that sucks
[2016-08-14 10:37:02] rapidtrades : been watching here the whole time, im trusting that bitmex doesn't f*ck me
[2016-08-14 10:43:24] arbitrage001 : bfx token here is 25% below spot
[2016-08-14 10:43:27] arbitrage001 : ?
[2016-08-14 10:52:48] zanza : wtf
[2016-08-14 10:52:54] zanza : BFX mooning?
[2016-08-14 10:56:26] rapidtrades : arbitrage001: buy it then bitch
[2016-08-14 10:57:47] rapidtrades : .405 on finex
[2016-08-14 10:57:51] rapidtrades : weeeeeeeeeeee
[2016-08-14 10:58:57] rapidtrades : 41 hmmmm no announcement yet?
[2016-08-14 11:01:42] rapidtrades : smone knows smth
[2016-08-14 11:03:24] rapidtrades : very volatile right now
[2016-08-14 11:04:45] rapidtrades : price acion says announcement imminent
[2016-08-14 11:05:06] rapidtrades : and i forgot to buy popcorn
[2016-08-14 11:16:16] arbitrage001 : rapidtrades: already bought at lot at finex when price is less than 0.3
[2016-08-14 11:19:33] rapidtrades : u need ur head examined m8
[2016-08-14 11:23:50] arbitrage001 : current price speaks louder than words
[2016-08-14 11:24:19] arbitrage001 : you need to learn how to trade and observe outcome on every assumption you made
[2016-08-14 11:28:18] rapidtrades : i longed small amount below here but only cos we had 5% discount
[2016-08-14 11:43:24] laisee : rapidtrades: BFX is a steal
[2016-08-14 11:55:02] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 2 @ 577.75 :punch: :whale:
[2016-08-14 11:55:10] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 400 @ 576.67
[2016-08-14 11:55:13] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 32750 @ 575.36 **MEGA-REKT** :boom:
[2016-08-14 11:55:13] ayy_lmao : damn son
[2016-08-14 11:55:14] ayy_lmao : rekt
[2016-08-14 11:55:23] macios15 : nice
[2016-08-14 11:55:38] macios15 : catched 574
[2016-08-14 11:56:37] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 2000 @ 575.13
[2016-08-14 11:56:37] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 1460 @ 575.17
[2016-08-14 11:56:37] REKT : :btc: :soon: :toilet:
[2016-08-14 11:56:46] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 5000 @ 574.71
[2016-08-14 11:56:46] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 9000 @ 574.95
[2016-08-14 11:56:46] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 7900 @ 574.94
[2016-08-14 11:56:46] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 40 @ 574.89
[2016-08-14 11:56:46] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 22007 @ 574.65 **MEGA-REKT** :boom:
[2016-08-14 11:56:46] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 1000 @ 575.00
[2016-08-14 11:57:27] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 24000 @ 574.20 **MEGA-REKT** :boom:
[2016-08-14 11:57:27] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 37970 @ 574.06 **MEGA-REKT** :boom:
[2016-08-14 11:57:33] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 12000 @ 573.77
[2016-08-14 11:57:36] macios15 : nice rekts
[2016-08-14 11:58:48] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 5500 @ 572.94
[2016-08-14 11:58:48] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 598 @ 572.70
[2016-08-14 11:59:59] laisee : thanks to Bitfinex for switching ~36% of perfolio from BTX to BFX
[2016-08-14 12:00:13] kogroken : Bitfuchs
[2016-08-14 12:01:40] laisee : Bitfockers?
[2016-08-14 12:01:59] rapidtrades : laisee: what
[2016-08-14 12:02:26] laisee : alternate names for the worlds best Crypto exchange
[2016-08-14 12:09:05] rapidtrades : i was too slow to catch that drop
[2016-08-14 12:09:17] ayy_lmao : lol was there dpe on this last rebalance
[2016-08-14 12:09:19] ayy_lmao : xbt
[2016-08-14 12:09:25] rapidtrades : good q
[2016-08-14 12:09:38] ayy_lmao : whats the page
[2016-08-14 12:10:38] rapidtrades : im not seeing anything
[2016-08-14 12:10:49] rapidtrades : it's usually under trade history
[2016-08-14 12:11:22] ayy_lmao : alright thx
[2016-08-14 12:11:39] rapidtrades : but why am i seeing item rebalance for BFX? isn't that done on firday
[2016-08-14 12:17:32] Terry : ayy_lmao: No DPE, you can check settlement history (Tax Rate): https://www.bitmex.com/app/settlementHistory
[2016-08-14 12:17:47] ayy_lmao : nice
[2016-08-14 12:19:41] rapidtrades : niceeeeee
[2016-08-14 13:13:28] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 300 @ 571.75
[2016-08-14 13:13:28] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 57423 @ 571.81 **EPIC REKT** :unamused: :confounded: :astonished:
[2016-08-14 13:13:28] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 1250 @ 571.89
[2016-08-14 13:20:22] jan : You guys thonk btc o n the bottom ?
[2016-08-14 13:26:53] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 480 @ 570.43
[2016-08-14 13:26:53] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 2000 @ 570.41
[2016-08-14 13:27:08] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTU16`: Sell 7863 @ 607.68
[2016-08-14 13:27:08] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 1300 @ 569.97
[2016-08-14 13:27:12] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 150 @ 569.51
[2016-08-14 13:27:12] REKT : :roller_coaster: :chart_with_downwards_trend: :japanese_goblin:
[2016-08-14 13:27:17] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTU16`: Sell 27530 @ 605.05 **MEGA-REKT** :boom:
[2016-08-14 13:28:46] Rado : Sup girls
[2016-08-14 13:29:00] Rado : anyone selling the shit coins?
[2016-08-14 13:29:08] justinlooking : gettin murdered
[2016-08-14 13:30:09] Rado : justinlooking: on BFX or XBT?
[2016-08-14 13:30:33] justinlooking : xbt
[2016-08-14 13:30:39] Rado : I got stopped out on xbtusd while sleeping
[2016-08-14 13:31:02] Gemz : i had a 19k bfx order on finex at 47 but only got 500 bfx lol, pretty much missed the boat, not sure to jump in still or not
[2016-08-14 13:31:40] Rado : 47 cents?
[2016-08-14 13:31:54] Gemz : no 0.00047 btc
[2016-08-14 13:32:00] Rado : Oh
[2016-08-14 13:32:02] Gemz : arounf 28 cent
[2016-08-14 13:32:13] Rado : right
[2016-08-14 13:32:47] Gemz : i knew it would go up, was busy hitting clubs forgot all about it lol
[2016-08-14 13:33:21] Rado : rapidtrades: anything new on the law suit?
[2016-08-14 13:34:06] rapidtrades : Rado: no i got good suggestions from reddit tho
[2016-08-14 13:34:15] rapidtrades : they still haven't replied to my email
[2016-08-14 13:34:28] Gemz : Guys is there any way, to know my liquidation price before opening a position?
[2016-08-14 13:34:32] Rado : No one else is doing a class action?
[2016-08-14 13:34:42] rapidtrades : not afaik
[2016-08-14 13:35:23] rapidtrades : all doing it individually atm
[2016-08-14 13:35:41] Rado : ok
[2016-08-14 13:38:57] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 11000 @ 568.53
[2016-08-14 13:39:38] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 8000 @ 566.65
[2016-08-14 13:39:38] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 40000 @ 566.97 **MEGA-REKT** :boom:
[2016-08-14 13:39:38] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 80 @ 566.47
[2016-08-14 13:39:55] Rado : Any news related to BTC?
[2016-08-14 13:40:07] ayy_lmao : in this moment
[2016-08-14 13:40:10] ayy_lmao : i am euphoric
[2016-08-14 13:40:22] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 1500 @ 566.37
[2016-08-14 13:41:22] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 19500 @ 566.28
[2016-08-14 13:41:58] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 4000 @ 566.08
[2016-08-14 13:41:58] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 5583 @ 565.89
[2016-08-14 13:42:26] ayy_lmao : everyone on finex too broke to sell lmao
[2016-08-14 13:42:43] ayy_lmao : rip finex volume
[2016-08-14 13:43:13] jan : why so dump on btc todaY ?
[2016-08-14 13:43:27] ayy_lmao : who knows
[2016-08-14 13:44:08] rapidtrades : lingering confidence hit from bitfinex, it will last for a while
[2016-08-14 13:44:37] rapidtrades : why specifically today...no clue
[2016-08-14 13:44:46] rapidtrades : bit surprising with tokens to high
[2016-08-14 13:47:53] Rado : Look at the 10k orders on BFX over 0.0007
[2016-08-14 13:49:14] rapidtrades : here or finex
[2016-08-14 13:50:21] rapidtrades : weird that they would step there..i thought more near 0.50
[2016-08-14 13:50:49] rapidtrades : lot of ppl would be happy to get out with <20% hit
[2016-08-14 13:53:37] macios15 : when btfinex will be add back to index?
[2016-08-14 13:54:02] zanza : what just happened?
[2016-08-14 13:56:38] rapidtrades : macios15: prolly never
[2016-08-14 14:07:30] Rado : macios15: never
[2016-08-14 14:07:48] Rado : zanza: what?
[2016-08-14 14:08:08] zanza : Bitcoin just dropped hard
[2016-08-14 14:08:42] justinlooking : would have dropped harder if china didnt put brakes on
[2016-08-14 14:33:37] Gemz : what a good price to buy btc
[2016-08-14 14:33:47] Gemz : i mean what is a good price to buy btc?
[2016-08-14 14:44:41] rapidtrades : whats a ggood image host
[2016-08-14 14:45:58] zanza : imgur
[2016-08-14 14:46:05] zanza : gemz what do you mean ?
[2016-08-14 14:48:52] REKT : Liquidated long on `LTCXBT`: Sell 850 @ 0.00638
[2016-08-14 14:49:39] nip : wow just looked at that liquidation order
[2016-08-14 14:49:50] nip : saw it move up multiple times in a row
[2016-08-14 14:50:45] rapidtrades : zanza: does it work with JPEG?
[2016-08-14 14:51:52] Rado : Why is the liq order moving?
[2016-08-14 14:54:17] ayy_lmao : lol
[2016-08-14 14:54:32] justinlooking : rapidtrades: anony.ws
[2016-08-14 14:54:42] ayy_lmao : i assume its some type of algo that trys to minimize losses
[2016-08-14 14:59:40] jan : nip: can you share an link where i can see it (liq orderss)
[2016-08-14 15:04:24] Rado : jan: you can see the in the order book
[2016-08-14 15:04:29] Rado : highlighted in red
[2016-08-14 15:06:20] Hey : My bitcoins and my postion are are gone and i need to get in contact with someone
[2016-08-14 15:09:26] Hey : Bitmex whats going on?
[2016-08-14 15:10:01] Rado : Hey: check your trade history
[2016-08-14 15:10:06] Rado : did you get liquidated?
[2016-08-14 15:10:10] Hey : Shows nothing
[2016-08-14 15:10:40] Hey : I am from usa and i was using vpn not gonna lie
[2016-08-14 15:11:21] Hey : But they shoulda closed my postion and send me my bitcoins i believe is the policy
[2016-08-14 15:16:30] jan : ypu play long on btc ?
[2016-08-14 15:16:47] jan : Probobly it's liquidated
[2016-08-14 15:21:03] rapidtrades : steemit is the dumbest thing ever man
[2016-08-14 15:21:11] rapidtrades : hoope it burns in hell
[2016-08-14 15:21:39] ett1 : steemit is the twitter of blockchain
[2016-08-14 15:23:43] rapidtrades : ett1: f*ck you and f*ck steemit
[2016-08-14 15:23:48] rapidtrades : how about dem apples
[2016-08-14 15:25:47] rapidtrades : nvm it was my fault
[2016-08-14 15:31:11] ett1 : i swear, 95% of times i read trollbox, rapidtrades is online aggravating sombody
[2016-08-14 15:32:10] pigeons : it was the steemit guy aggravating, not rapidtrades
[2016-08-14 15:32:43] pigeons : oops there was no steemit guy
[2016-08-14 15:33:00] ett1 : i like rapidtrades. but first impression (for a while) was hes a dick
[2016-08-14 15:33:12] ett1 : hes good
[2016-08-14 15:33:20] pigeons : yeah :)
[2016-08-14 15:51:11] rapidtrades : yeah i have a bit of temper
[2016-08-14 15:59:09] Krog : steemit is the web 2.0 of the blockchain. Nobody liked it then but it's here to stay
[2016-08-14 16:00:55] laisee : ett1: rapidtrades adds color to trollbox. miss the good ol' days him byatching away at Slager (sp) & vice verse
[2016-08-14 16:05:00] rapidtrades : man trading BFX coin here is like hotel california
[2016-08-14 16:05:30] rapidtrades : once u get in there's no getting out
[2016-08-14 16:06:21] pigeons : these account/withdraw freezings might push the lawsuits/liquidations they are trying to avoid
[2016-08-14 16:06:57] rapidtrades : yeah i think a lot of their decision are made on the fly
[2016-08-14 16:07:04] herpinator : in trade history does the value displayed have the fee taken from it already?
[2016-08-14 16:07:19] rapidtrades : lot of emotion too....they really hit hard with troll accounts on reddit
[2016-08-14 16:07:51] laisee : rapidtrades: ur trading BFX? thought u checked out of that motel
[2016-08-14 16:08:00] rapidtrades : they gambled that if they got up quick ppl will just forget about it and continue to trade
[2016-08-14 16:08:06] rapidtrades : laisee: it was 5% discount
[2016-08-14 16:08:26] rapidtrades : it's very small amount too
[2016-08-14 16:08:27] pigeons : well it was worth a shot
[2016-08-14 16:08:57] laisee : rapidtrades: a rebound trade?
[2016-08-14 16:09:22] rapidtrades : laisee: i'm just hoping for the discount to close but the MMers are not having it :)
[2016-08-14 16:09:52] laisee : yeah, they are not folowing exchange very closely
[2016-08-14 16:10:15] rapidtrades : they're prolly holding a lot of longs
[2016-08-14 16:10:39] rapidtrades : i mean they're long a lot :)
[2016-08-14 16:11:05] laisee : could be. someone bought all that teldar paper
[2016-08-14 16:11:20] rapidtrades : laisee: are u on a phone?
[2016-08-14 16:11:43] laisee : wifi, osx
[2016-08-14 16:11:55] rapidtrades : what's teldar paper
[2016-08-14 16:12:32] laisee : greed is good
[2016-08-14 16:12:34] laisee : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Da1tDKFfno
[2016-08-14 16:12:56] laisee : wonder how many VPs @ BFX
[2016-08-14 16:13:11] laisee : or CXOs
[2016-08-14 16:18:33] daveberns1 : wow, BFX appreciation means speculation upon BFX's future solvency
[2016-08-14 16:18:54] daveberns1 : .37 seems like modestly strong sentiment
[2016-08-14 16:19:07] daveberns1 : *positive
[2016-08-14 16:19:12] daveberns1 : surprised...
[2016-08-14 16:23:38] laisee : daveberns1: its pretty cool if u can sell options (or coins) betting on your companies liquidity, right when u need cash
[2016-08-14 16:24:25] zanza : CHEAP COINZ GUYS
[2016-08-14 16:24:40] laisee : going out of business Coins sale
[2016-08-14 16:25:02] daveberns1 : ya, if they buy back their coins then they essentially can wipe out their debt at a massive discount
[2016-08-14 16:25:48] laisee : financial engineering at its best/worse
[2016-08-14 16:26:15] rapidtrades : BOJ now owns 60% of the EFT market
[2016-08-14 16:26:19] rapidtrades : http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-08-14/the-tokyo-whale-s-unstoppable-rise-to-shareholder-no-1-in-japan
[2016-08-14 16:28:43] laisee : print fake money, buy real assets. nice.
[2016-08-14 16:37:36] daveberns1 : is liquidation based on mark or last?
[2016-08-14 16:38:10] justinlooking : mark
[2016-08-14 16:38:31] daveberns1 : good
[2016-08-14 16:41:07] zanza : didnt BOJ buy ARM ?
[2016-08-14 16:43:17] laisee : zanza: partly, I guess
[2016-08-14 17:09:37] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 70 @ 0.01979
[2016-08-14 17:23:49] Krog : What's the total commision on a trade?
[2016-08-14 17:25:49] BitMEX_Wally : https://www.bitmex.com/app/fees