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[2016-08-11 23:26:10] newTraderGuy : ^Yes correct.
[2016-08-11 23:26:19] newTraderGuy : no not ETH he holds ETC
[2016-08-11 23:26:22] ett1 : i dont know about ETC
[2016-08-11 23:26:25] ett1 : maybe
[2016-08-11 23:26:32] newTraderGuy : ett1 you're wrong he holds no ETH
[2016-08-11 23:26:43] newTraderGuy : he's tweeted about not holding any ETH
[2016-08-11 23:27:35] Tetsuo : If ETC fails it would actually be good for BTC . It´s a blue print for the necessary upcoming BTC fork
[2016-08-11 23:27:47] newTraderGuy : https://twitter.com/barrysilbert/status/762312144411058177
[2016-08-11 23:28:00] Tetsuo : if it succeds, death to all crypto
[2016-08-11 23:28:41] pigeons : there is no necessary hard fork
[2016-08-11 23:28:50] ett1 : did barry make any comments on bitfinex
[2016-08-11 23:28:54] ett1 : at all
[2016-08-11 23:29:34] Tetsuo : Barry Silbert:" If you love con artists, buy BFX"
[2016-08-11 23:30:25] ett1 : did VCs and exchange operators know that bitfinex were shady beforehand. were they like outsiders
[2016-08-11 23:31:03] pigeons : everyone knew they were shady. they started running on known vulnerable unauthorized leaked/stolen bitcoinica ruby code
[2016-08-11 23:31:06] Tetsuo : everyone knew it, i posted about the shadiness of Bitfnex about a year ago
[2016-08-11 23:31:46] Tetsuo : i aöltough blackmailded them in 2014, coz there was a vulnerability. they didn´t pay me
[2016-08-11 23:31:54] pigeons : the guy was well known for pushing pirateat40/tendon shavers "passthrough" funds
[2016-08-11 23:31:59] Tetsuo : still have the emails and logs
[2016-08-11 23:32:06] Tetsuo : exchange was always fucked up
[2016-08-11 23:32:24] pigeons : yeah there were tons of vulnerabilites from the original bitcoinica code, lots of people emailed them and they removed them one by one
[2016-08-11 23:32:39] pigeons : but who wouldthink that was a good idea to run that crap, only bitcoinica
[2016-08-11 23:32:44] pigeons : i mean only bitfinex excuse me
[2016-08-11 23:32:45] Tetsuo : i only demanded 500 BTC, better should have payed me
[2016-08-11 23:33:08] ett1 : what was the price back then
[2016-08-11 23:33:32] Tetsuo : February 2014
[2016-08-11 23:33:35] Tetsuo : have to look
[2016-08-11 23:33:56] ett1 : Tetsuo: did you find that recent vulnerability lol
[2016-08-11 23:33:58] Tetsuo : * about 500$
[2016-08-11 23:34:07] ett1 : ah ok
[2016-08-11 23:34:37] pigeons : yeh should have asked for 12kbtc like this guy
[2016-08-11 23:34:50] Tetsuo : they wrote something like: " sure we will pay you, but first you have to tell us what exactly the vulnerability is about
[2016-08-11 23:34:56] Tetsuo : gave them hints , they demanded more
[2016-08-11 23:35:01] ett1 : Tetsuo: you told them what it was, and they didnt pay you after. or they just ignored the offer
[2016-08-11 23:35:02] Tetsuo : fuck them
[2016-08-11 23:35:30] ett1 : got it
[2016-08-11 23:36:36] ett1 : you could have stolen all their coins using the vulnerability?
[2016-08-11 23:36:45] Tetsuo : I left them in early 2014 after i discovered it, i even posted about it @ bitcointalk.org
[2016-08-11 23:38:27] Tetsuo : ett1: i could have serioulsy messed up theri trading engine, using fake USD and fake BTC in the orderbook to manipulate the price
[2016-08-11 23:38:59] Tetsuo : bug wasn´t about stelaing coins, more about manipulating everything severe
[2016-08-11 23:39:11] Tetsuo : total noob bug if you aske me
[2016-08-11 23:39:44] lockhedge : Tetsuo: your bitcointalk.org username is fonzie?
[2016-08-11 23:39:53] Tetsuo : yes
[2016-08-11 23:41:05] Tetsuo : i will look for the blackmail e-mail on my computer and post it here in the next days,
[2016-08-11 23:41:53] Tetsuo : they were just as arrogant and confident as they are now
[2016-08-11 23:46:17] lockhedge : they don't seem to have a bug bounty program https://bugcrowd.com/list-of-bug-bounty-programs (BitMEX, Coinbase, itBit, Kraken on the list)
[2016-08-11 23:56:44] Tetsuo : i even win the 2015 prediction contest, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=553123.msg10950681#msg10950681
[2016-08-11 23:57:19] Tetsuo : maybe if everyone would just listen to me , the world would be a better place, lel
[2016-08-11 23:59:35] Tetsuo : look at what those fools voted at that time: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=553123.msg8162779#msg8162779
[2016-08-12 00:13:22] miramm1115 : bfx coin still too expensive for some reason
[2016-08-12 00:14:11] miramm1115 : not sure who's buying except maybe finex themselves
[2016-08-12 00:15:11] lockhedge : miramm1115: PGP said that they are not buying, they would only redeem at full value
[2016-08-12 00:16:09] miramm1115 : was it in the latest whaleclub interview? didn't have time to listen yet.
[2016-08-12 00:16:21] lockhedge : yes
[2016-08-12 00:16:35] miramm1115 : btw, got 100% usd back
[2016-08-12 00:17:10] miramm1115 : fdic insurance ftw ;-)
[2016-08-12 00:19:35] j8 : synapsepay?
[2016-08-12 00:21:48] miramm1115 : yes, our verified account was funded using ACH from US bank account, and apparently all ACHs are processed using SynapsePay.
[2016-08-12 00:22:26] j8 : lucky
[2016-08-12 00:22:55] miramm1115 : yeah, had 3 times more USD than BTC there
[2016-08-12 00:23:31] j8 : i was all in usd and maxed out short.. kinda got screwed
[2016-08-12 00:23:53] miramm1115 : yeah, worse case scenario for you :-(
[2016-08-12 00:24:09] miramm1115 : settled @ 604?
[2016-08-12 00:25:00] j8 : yes, and for a long period i didn't know if it would be settled or not.. at first they said they were only settling affected accounts
[2016-08-12 00:25:54] j8 : so i ended up super long going down to 500 and below.. a bit uncomfortable
[2016-08-12 00:26:07] Ugly_Old_Goat : Hey what is the link to the reddit bitfniex blog
[2016-08-12 00:27:01] miramm1115 : yeah, so unprofessional :-( I thought you were on vacation and out of all positions. was it a hedge of your bitcoin holdings?
[2016-08-12 00:27:44] j8 : miramm1115: yeah, i hedged on bitfinex because i was worried about socialized losses on futures.. lol kinda backfired
[2016-08-12 00:28:57] j8 : oh well. i got my 62% out anyway. life goes on
[2016-08-12 00:38:46] miramm1115 : j8: yeah, I gave up on proper hedging. I keep partial hedges for trading capital but I convert almost all profit to USD/CAD right away
[2016-08-12 00:40:41] j8 : yeah, thats really the way to go. markets are not really mature enough to be always in
[2016-08-12 01:41:52] Rado : I am doing exactly the opposite
[2016-08-12 01:42:08] Rado : I convert all profit to BTC
[2016-08-12 01:42:17] Rado : for my retirement :)
[2016-08-12 01:48:37] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETC7D`: Buy 1075 @ 0.003356
[2016-08-12 01:48:37] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETC7D`: Buy 133 @ 0.003354
[2016-08-12 02:04:52] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETC7D`: Buy 1500 @ 0.003467
[2016-08-12 02:18:36] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETC7D`: Buy 1199 @ 0.003514
[2016-08-12 02:33:15] unsure : wtf does maintenance margin mean?
[2016-08-12 02:39:01] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 1000 @ 583.90
[2016-08-12 02:46:01] Rado : unsure: how much BTC from your balance is needed to keep your positions
[2016-08-12 02:46:49] Rado : I guess your nick directly represents your state of mind
[2016-08-12 02:48:44] ayy_lmao : http://www.investopedia.com/terms/m/maintenancemargin.asp
[2016-08-12 02:48:59] ayy_lmao : investopedia is your friend
[2016-08-12 03:27:07] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 1085 @ 583.21
[2016-08-12 03:35:37] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 4700 @ 582.83
[2016-08-12 03:36:17] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBJ24H`: Sell 6000 @ 59700.0
[2016-08-12 03:36:37] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 1700 @ 581.78
[2016-08-12 03:53:52] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 101 @ 581.34
[2016-08-12 03:55:27] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 50 @ 581.22
[2016-08-12 03:55:37] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 8000 @ 581.13
[2016-08-12 03:56:39] ayy_lmao : nobody has enough money on finex to dump lmao
[2016-08-12 04:04:35] Ludwig : any chinese here?
[2016-08-12 04:08:35] Ludwig : is it only 1% margin will beforehand margin call ?
[2016-08-12 04:18:30] BitMEX_Jinming : Ludwig: for XBTUSD, the default maintain margin is 0.5%
[2016-08-12 04:24:07] Ludwig : should i pay the loss if over margin
[2016-08-12 04:25:18] Ludwig : BitMEX_Jinming:
[2016-08-12 04:30:07] BitMEX_Jinming : Ludwig: if you have less than maintain margin, your position will be liquidated.
[2016-08-12 04:31:04] BitMEX_Jinming : Ludwig: https://www.bitmex.com/app/liquidation
[2016-08-12 04:47:07] Ludwig : BitMEX_Jinming: Are there any open order limit? like buy +5% or sell -5%
[2016-08-12 04:49:38] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC7D`: Sell 155 @ 0.003043
[2016-08-12 04:49:38] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC7D`: Sell 100 @ 0.003402
[2016-08-12 04:49:38] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC7D`: Sell 1417 @ 0.003379
[2016-08-12 04:49:38] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC7D`: Sell 7500 @ 0.003080
[2016-08-12 04:49:38] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC7D`: Sell 30 @ 0.003355
[2016-08-12 04:49:38] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC7D`: Sell 2500 @ 0.003055
[2016-08-12 04:49:38] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC7D`: Sell 460 @ 0.003127
[2016-08-12 04:51:00] kingjay36 : wow
[2016-08-12 04:51:03] ayy_lmao : lol
[2016-08-12 04:51:16] kingjay36 : u got rekt =(
[2016-08-12 04:51:20] kingjay36 : i
[2016-08-12 04:51:31] ayy_lmao : would have got margin called had i held my etc long
[2016-08-12 05:05:36] floreslorca : im trying to log in
[2016-08-12 05:05:45] floreslorca : and im getting an error saying "incorrect recaptcha
[2016-08-12 05:05:55] floreslorca : but there is no recaptcha wtf
[2016-08-12 05:06:30] BitMEX_Jinming : Ludwig: no such limit as long as you have enough margin to back those orders once filled.
[2016-08-12 05:07:39] BitMEX_Jinming : floreslorca: where are you located? We know that in China recaptcha is blocked so user can't see it, and we are working on the solution.
[2016-08-12 05:08:56] Ludwig : i mean price, like price now is 500$, can i buy to 1000$ at once ?
[2016-08-12 05:10:45] BitMEX_Jinming : Ludwig: yes, and you will sweep the asks in the order book.
[2016-08-12 05:11:28] j8 : Ludwig: yeah do it!
[2016-08-12 05:11:47] Ludwig : LOL
[2016-08-12 05:13:10] j8 : highest ask is 898.26 though. if you have 162 bitcoin you could buy it all
[2016-08-12 05:13:28] Ludwig : floreslorca: shadowsocks can help u
[2016-08-12 05:13:37] j8 : or way more with risk limits i guess
[2016-08-12 05:20:58] rapidtrades : what's the running total withdrawn from shitnex
[2016-08-12 05:22:49] rapidtrades : btw why was reddit down for 'emergency maintenance'
[2016-08-12 05:23:42] rapidtrades : fishy how it coincided with us started our new sub https://www.reddit.com/r/bitfinexcal
[2016-08-12 05:25:22] rapidtrades : also this https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/4x9c98/cryptsy_ceo_stole_millions_from_exchange_court/
[2016-08-12 05:25:45] rapidtrades : looks like dipping into customer funds is a big temptation for these ppl
[2016-08-12 05:29:10] rapidtrades : Arthur: ' "Even though Bitfinex explicitly said it has no obligations to ever pay back a dime to BFX token holders, traders still ascribe a healthy value to the token."
[2016-08-12 05:29:24] rapidtrades : still bringing that burn
[2016-08-12 05:32:22] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETC7D`: Buy 60 @ 0.003432
[2016-08-12 05:41:28] zanza : illuminati rapidtrades
[2016-08-12 05:41:55] zanza : so did willybot uninstall his computer
[2016-08-12 05:42:04] Tetsuo : lol
[2016-08-12 06:47:14] rapidtrades : zanza: wat
[2016-08-12 06:49:08] rapidtrades : are bitfinex ppl still doing the withdrawls manually?
[2016-08-12 06:51:52] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETHXBT`: Buy 25 @ 0.02020
[2016-08-12 06:53:41] sq : BitMEX_Jinming: is the funding right? 0.0078%
[2016-08-12 06:53:50] sq : i think it hasnt changed for really long
[2016-08-12 06:54:59] germanjew : https://www.bitmex.com/app/fundingHistory?start=0
[2016-08-12 06:55:05] germanjew : Two previous times have been the same
[2016-08-12 06:55:11] germanjew : atleast for XBTUSD
[2016-08-12 06:59:59] BitMEX_Jinming : sq: yeah it means the premium index doesn't change much.
[2016-08-12 07:01:22] sq : ok
[2016-08-12 07:01:47] germanjew : Is there somewhere where I can see funding payouts?
[2016-08-12 07:03:02] germanjew : Ah nvm
[2016-08-12 07:04:28] rapidtrades : BitMEX_Jinming: so since bitfinex is not out of commission, there is no funding charge only premium/discount?
[2016-08-12 07:04:49] rapidtrades : previously there was a small % added based on interest rates overe there
[2016-08-12 07:05:52] rapidtrades : finex API is still broken...this is hilarious
[2016-08-12 07:06:41] sq : BitMEX_Jinming: spot is around 585.56, your swap at 586.50, funding shoud be more than 0.0078%?
[2016-08-12 07:06:50] sq : just off the envelop.. doesnt seem v right
[2016-08-12 07:07:07] sq : i might be wrong
[2016-08-12 07:07:57] rapidtrades : sq: funding is not real time...it's average of 8hr perio last counted 8 hrs ago
[2016-08-12 07:08:26] rapidtrades : like right now...those stats u said would be included in the next funding starting from 8 pm UTC
[2016-08-12 07:08:47] sq : yeah, agree
[2016-08-12 07:10:09] sq : just that the predicted funding should slowly change.. but i dont see it
[2016-08-12 07:10:14] sq : well. we will see
[2016-08-12 07:23:01] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 100 @ 587.78
[2016-08-12 07:23:14] BitMEX_Wally : The funding rate is currently the stale BON rate and it only changes if the premium index is more than 0.05% different
[2016-08-12 07:27:03] sq : ic cool
[2016-08-12 07:28:40] sq : tks
[2016-08-12 07:35:38] TA : btc on its wy up?
[2016-08-12 07:40:05] TA : or just teasing on its way down?
[2016-08-12 07:42:34] Martinos : thats the question:)
[2016-08-12 07:44:36] TA : Martinos: what do you think?
[2016-08-12 07:45:31] Martinos : looks pretty solid to me
[2016-08-12 07:45:44] TA : Martinos: going to test 650?
[2016-08-12 07:46:39] Martinos : i think test 600
[2016-08-12 07:46:58] TA : we have major resistance there?
[2016-08-12 07:47:27] TA : is there a site where we can see all the btc order books?
[2016-08-12 07:47:47] Martinos : bitcoinwisdom ?
[2016-08-12 07:48:53] TA : okay..thanks ..so are you long in btc?
[2016-08-12 07:50:56] Martinos : im watching the test of the upside
[2016-08-12 07:51:20] Martinos : im expecting a test of 550 too
[2016-08-12 07:51:31] Martinos : so i dont know
[2016-08-12 07:51:38] TA : oh okay
[2016-08-12 07:51:54] TA : but if it goes down..it will test 490-500
[2016-08-12 07:52:06] TA : thats where the major res is
[2016-08-12 07:52:26] Martinos : that would be a big drop
[2016-08-12 07:52:29] Martinos : well see
[2016-08-12 07:53:08] TA : and imo..if it crosses 600..it goes back up to 650
[2016-08-12 08:00:02] men : ltc will skyrocket! :D
[2016-08-12 08:00:17] Tetsuo : men: plz stop trolling
[2016-08-12 08:02:18] men : Tetsuo: i'm not trolling.. i'm saying this because on polo the buy order are increasing and there are 164 btc in .00636 area
[2016-08-12 09:15:41] 4lph4 : soooooooo boring
[2016-08-12 09:16:24] Mm bot : 4lph4: get some popcorn to watch BTC crash soon.
[2016-08-12 09:16:47] 4lph4 : Mm bot: anything to support that statement?
[2016-08-12 09:21:22] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC7D`: Sell 45 @ 0.003200
[2016-08-12 09:33:55] Mm bot : 4lph4: wait and see, sentiment is bad, customers are unhappy, BFX dropping in value
[2016-08-12 09:35:14] Martinos : :(
[2016-08-12 09:35:25] 4lph4 : Mm bot: so did you really mean "crash" or just a price correction?
[2016-08-12 09:35:32] 4lph4 : because crash is something different
[2016-08-12 09:37:06] Mm bot : 4lph4:yes
[2016-08-12 09:41:42] Tetsuo : Huge amounts of pain and misery are prepared for BTC holders
[2016-08-12 09:43:41] Martinos : Maybe the chinese are buying then
[2016-08-12 09:45:35] Tetsuo : they will probably start buyin @ ~1000CNY
[2016-08-12 09:48:18] Martinos : haha
[2016-08-12 09:49:19] muirtastic : So Zane Tackett, Bitfinex lackey hasn't responded for 18 hrs on reddit and also the .30 support for BFX finally broke and down 10%. Coincidence of fate?
[2016-08-12 09:49:27] muirtastic : Or fate
[2016-08-12 09:49:42] muirtastic : I shorted some more BFX, just in case
[2016-08-12 09:52:55] Tetsuo : still nothing about - how the hack happened - how they came up with their 36% numbers - what BFX is representing
[2016-08-12 09:54:29] Tetsuo : ---> more bad news soon
[2016-08-12 09:57:48] muirtastic : yes I bet they took money from the margin longs losing positions and included that in the haircut as well.
[2016-08-12 09:57:57] muirtastic : Someone needs to do a full audit of their books
[2016-08-12 09:58:53] Tetsuo : not gonna happen
[2016-08-12 10:28:33] rapidtrades : so the BFX token here is based on dollar value right...but the PnL moves based on BTC
[2016-08-12 10:28:37] rapidtrades : that's weird
[2016-08-12 10:29:22] rapidtrades : so if token falls in value BTC should fall too, makes it not a good hedge
[2016-08-12 10:37:52] rapidtrades : i suspect smth very illegal has been going on over there....maybe not malicious maybe smth like insider trading on the platform running bots etc
[2016-08-12 10:38:26] rapidtrades : in any case starting up with a such big hole knowing ppl will sue says to me they are desperate
[2016-08-12 10:38:27] 4lph4 : well I thought it's 100% certain that they engage in insider trading
[2016-08-12 10:38:48] rapidtrades : well yes they admitted to trading on their site
[2016-08-12 10:39:11] rapidtrades : but im talking about running bots like okc where noone can compete
[2016-08-12 10:39:19] 4lph4 : they also said they won't do it for BFX, as if they were doing it for anything else
[2016-08-12 10:39:21] rapidtrades : that exchange was always kinda fishy
[2016-08-12 10:39:38] rapidtrades : spreads were frequently 0.01 yet fees didn't justify those tight spreads
[2016-08-12 10:39:51] rapidtrades : those are spreads for no fees exchanges
[2016-08-12 10:40:31] rapidtrades : it was next to impossible to get executed unless u clogged up the bid/ask asap
[2016-08-12 10:41:02] rapidtrades : it's likely that their MM bots got caught during that giant rally we had and suffered major losses
[2016-08-12 10:42:04] rapidtrades : just speculation of course but they are definitely covering up smth
[2016-08-12 10:45:15] rapidtrades : a bunch of them are in America so not doubt why they're giving ameros special treatment
[2016-08-12 10:45:32] CP : Hi. Is there any way I can roll the ETC weekly future? Or do you just need to market buy/sell after settlement at 12 UTC today?
[2016-08-12 10:49:41] rapidtrades : have to buy/sell
[2016-08-12 10:56:10] CP : Ok thx @rapidtrades!
[2016-08-12 10:58:02] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC7D`: Sell 100 @ 0.003174
[2016-08-12 10:58:02] VenCap : When do the margins profits get paid out today?
[2016-08-12 10:58:45] VenCap : ahok i see the unlock time :O)
[2016-08-12 10:59:29] rapidtrades : yeah 1h :)
[2016-08-12 11:21:54] rapidtrades : https://www.reddit.com/r/bitfinexcal/comments/4xd0ta/heres_why_bitfinex_is_not_like_mtgox/
[2016-08-12 11:39:45] Martinos : does not look btc wants up
[2016-08-12 11:41:01] 4lph4 : to be honest it won't announce it
[2016-08-12 11:43:21] Tetsuo : 4lph4: a 10k BTC buy order on Stamp sure could lead the way
[2016-08-12 11:44:05] Martinos : where i dont see it
[2016-08-12 11:44:28] Tetsuo : only in a wet bulls dream
[2016-08-12 11:44:55] Martinos : haha
[2016-08-12 11:47:39] Tetsuo : "Cryptsy CEO Paul Vernon may have stolen as much as $3.3m from the now-defunct digital currency exchange and destroyed evidence of his illicit actions." That´s what Finex is doing right now, only on a larger scale
[2016-08-12 11:48:13] rapidtrades : https://www.reddit.com/r/bitfinexcal/comments/4xd3sp/questions_about_class_action_lawsuit/
[2016-08-12 12:00:17] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTU16`: Sell 19667 @ 626.00
[2016-08-12 12:00:32] rapidtrades : dam ^^^ look at that bitch
[2016-08-12 12:02:14] ayy_lmao : why is etc at 0.004 lol
[2016-08-12 12:02:15] ayy_lmao : lol
[2016-08-12 12:02:18] ayy_lmao : lmao
[2016-08-12 12:02:32] haxmb : ayyyylmao
[2016-08-12 12:02:35] haxmb : cheers for the money lads
[2016-08-12 12:02:39] ayy_lmao : i no rite
[2016-08-12 12:02:57] rapidtrades : what happened mah jews?
[2016-08-12 12:03:12] haxmb : someone's algo fucked up @ settlement bra
[2016-08-12 12:03:14] ayy_lmao : etc listed at 0.004 with liquidity
[2016-08-12 12:03:21] ayy_lmao : but at polo its at 0.0033
[2016-08-12 12:03:32] rapidtrades : i see it....smone panic rolled
[2016-08-12 12:03:34] haxmb : who's bots were it
[2016-08-12 12:03:38] haxmb : rofl
[2016-08-12 12:04:06] ayy_lmao : i almost didnt believe it at first
[2016-08-12 12:04:11] ayy_lmao : was too good to be true
[2016-08-12 12:04:31] haxmb : roflmao
[2016-08-12 12:05:35] rapidtrades : mm bot peaced out
[2016-08-12 12:05:41] haxmb : lol
[2016-08-12 12:06:02] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC7D`: Sell 46336 @ 0.003712 **MEGA-REKT** :boom:
[2016-08-12 12:06:07] ayy_lmao : jREKT
[2016-08-12 12:06:11] ayy_lmao : rip bot
[2016-08-12 12:06:12] ayy_lmao : lolol
[2016-08-12 12:06:12] haxmb : llolwat
[2016-08-12 12:06:18] haxmb : how
[2016-08-12 12:06:19] ayy_lmao : 144.79%)
[2016-08-12 12:06:22] ayy_lmao : ayy lmao
[2016-08-12 12:06:36] rapidtrades : wat
[2016-08-12 12:06:39] haxmb : AYY LMAO WAT
[2016-08-12 12:06:41] rapidtrades : is happening
[2016-08-12 12:06:47] Tetsuo : lots of fun
[2016-08-12 12:06:51] haxmb : someone fucked up about 50 BTC there
[2016-08-12 12:07:04] rapidtrades : dam i didn't get any
[2016-08-12 12:07:15] haxmb : sold 80 btc worth @ 400+
[2016-08-12 12:07:21] haxmb : fuck me
[2016-08-12 12:07:29] haxmb : is this real live
[2016-08-12 12:07:31] haxmb : life*
[2016-08-12 12:07:36] rapidtrades : ahahaha nice one
[2016-08-12 12:07:37] aethlios : sold 5000 at 0.004
[2016-08-12 12:07:45] rapidtrades : i sold shit
[2016-08-12 12:08:06] haxmb : cheers for the 7+ grand lads
[2016-08-12 12:08:07] rapidtrades : could've sold at 35 got greedy :)
[2016-08-12 12:08:13] haxmb : wtf
[2016-08-12 12:08:27] haxmb : hola senor MM
[2016-08-12 12:08:30] haxmb : you back at it
[2016-08-12 12:08:38] Martinos : yw
[2016-08-12 12:08:43] ayy_lmao : and im out
[2016-08-12 12:08:46] ayy_lmao : thx mm
[2016-08-12 12:08:49] haxmb : <3 <3
[2016-08-12 12:09:04] haxmb : longed @ polo + kraken so im flat @ 14 btc gain
[2016-08-12 12:09:31] haxmb : $8k in 1 minute rofl
[2016-08-12 12:09:47] 4lph4 : so what was that?
[2016-08-12 12:09:49] 4lph4 : what happened?
[2016-08-12 12:10:00] haxmb : someone was buying @ 0.004+
[2016-08-12 12:10:05] haxmb : shitloads
[2016-08-12 12:10:11] haxmb : we sold into it
[2016-08-12 12:10:12] 4lph4 : fat fingers or what :p
[2016-08-12 12:10:21] haxmb : looks like it yeah
[2016-08-12 12:10:33] haxmb : and then 5 minutes later got REKT
[2016-08-12 12:10:41] haxmb : because he exceeded his risk limits grossly
[2016-08-12 12:10:46] 4lph4 : good job!
[2016-08-12 12:11:03] I-am-Legend : i dont get this
[2016-08-12 12:11:20] I-am-Legend : i had eth classic long open 3000 contracts
[2016-08-12 12:11:28] I-am-Legend : its gone i dont see any sign of it
[2016-08-12 12:11:37] I-am-Legend : even in account history
[2016-08-12 12:11:41] haxmb : I-am-Legend: ETC7D just settled
[2016-08-12 12:11:42] 4lph4 : I think it's a bit too late legend
[2016-08-12 12:12:01] I-am-Legend : what does that mean haxmb
[2016-08-12 12:12:16] haxmb : the contract expires
[2016-08-12 12:12:32] I-am-Legend : i had eth short contract open that is not expiring
[2016-08-12 12:12:40] I-am-Legend : been through 3 rebates
[2016-08-12 12:12:45] haxmb : eth classic != ETH
[2016-08-12 12:12:49] haxmb : eth classic = ETC
[2016-08-12 12:12:59] I-am-Legend : my eth contract on going
[2016-08-12 12:13:05] I-am-Legend : ETC contract expired
[2016-08-12 12:13:15] haxmb : yes
[2016-08-12 12:13:15] I-am-Legend : why does on stay live & other expires
[2016-08-12 12:13:26] haxmb : because its an expiring contract
[2016-08-12 12:13:31] haxmb : as it states in the description
[2016-08-12 12:13:51] BitMEX_Wally : Perpetual Swaps are perpetual. Whereas futures have an expiry date
[2016-08-12 12:13:56] BitMEX_Wally : The 7D means it expires every 7 days
[2016-08-12 12:14:09] haxmb : I-am-Legend: what @BitMEX_Wally says
[2016-08-12 12:14:18] I-am-Legend : dam so i had opened just before it expires
[2016-08-12 12:14:40] I-am-Legend : where do you see when they expire before you open
[2016-08-12 12:15:00] migz : That was fast.
[2016-08-12 12:15:11] haxmb : it says
[2016-08-12 12:15:18] I-am-Legend : Bitmex really need to get some proper videos showing noobs how to use the site, if im getting rekt should at least know why im getting rekt
[2016-08-12 12:15:18] haxmb : on the right topof the page
[2016-08-12 12:16:07] migz : They say you gotta read documentation. But it was too many, this site is not noob friendly.
[2016-08-12 12:16:22] migz : Been here for months, i am still getting rekt. lmao
[2016-08-12 12:16:29] I-am-Legend : on my ETH contract short it has removed some BTC as realized i was in a losing position, on first 2 settlements i gained interest on the last one it removed margin from me?
[2016-08-12 12:17:48] I-am-Legend : its mental ton of stuff i know nothing about, i tried watching CEO videos on youtube, they are terrible he just confuses you more sure he is a great CEO but those videos are bad for his business
[2016-08-12 12:18:04] I-am-Legend : i dont get why i paid out on my eth contract
[2016-08-12 12:18:19] haxmb : I-am-Legend: its the funding rate
[2016-08-12 12:18:31] haxmb : you can read every detail on t he damn site
[2016-08-12 12:18:32] I-am-Legend : first 2 times it settled it paid interest last time it took some of my margin
[2016-08-12 12:18:43] I-am-Legend : funding rate its over 1 BTC
[2016-08-12 12:18:45] haxmb : its your own fault for trading something you dont know
[2016-08-12 12:18:50] I-am-Legend : doubt its funding
[2016-08-12 12:18:54] haxmb : ffs
[2016-08-12 12:19:06] haxmb : never mind, im not even going to try
[2016-08-12 12:19:38] haxmb : read these thoroughly
[2016-08-12 12:19:38] haxmb : https://www.bitmex.com/app/contract/ETC7D
[2016-08-12 12:19:46] haxmb : https://www.bitmex.com/app/contract/ETHXBT
[2016-08-12 12:20:03] haxmb : for example
[2016-08-12 12:20:07] haxmb : the FIRST part of the damn page
[2016-08-12 12:20:08] haxmb : Funding is paid and received every 8 hours. The next payout event is at 22:00 (20:00 UTC). ETHXBT uses a Premium Index to calculate funding rates. The underlying interest rates are quoted in the .ETHPON8H Index and .XBTPON8H Index, and the premium rate is quoted in the .ETHXBTPI8H Index. These are used to calculate the final funding rate. Today, longs will pay 0.2015%, and shorts will receive 0.2015% at 22:00 (20:00 UTC). BitMEX does not charge fees on funding payments.
[2016-08-12 12:20:23] haxmb : RTFM
[2016-08-12 12:21:46] I-am-Legend : this is what my eth trade is stating
[2016-08-12 12:21:51] I-am-Legend : ETHXBT -2230 2230.00 ETH 0.01984 0.02029 0.02428 + 9.6178 XBT (4.07x) 0.2007 XBT (2.21%) -0.8925 XBT
[2016-08-12 12:22:19] I-am-Legend : why am i -.8925 at last settlement
[2016-08-12 12:22:24] haxmb : BitMEX_Wally: plz educate
[2016-08-12 12:22:36] BitMEX_Wally : Let me have a look
[2016-08-12 12:24:23] ayy_lmao : man
[2016-08-12 12:24:30] ayy_lmao : I have never seen free money like that before
[2016-08-12 12:24:33] ayy_lmao : free money
[2016-08-12 12:24:35] haxmb : ayy_lmao: yup
[2016-08-12 12:24:41] haxmb : free money of the free-est kind
[2016-08-12 12:24:47] ayy_lmao : lol
[2016-08-12 12:25:07] haxmb : Murica
[2016-08-12 12:25:13] haxmb : 8)
[2016-08-12 12:25:19] I-am-Legend : haxmb i just want to learn how to use the platform or no point trading here, want to stay but their system hard to understand if you never traded contracts & they got good videos online to explain all this, i bet lots of people have got rekt here & left cause of the frustration.
[2016-08-12 12:25:55] haxmb : yeah I understand but you shouldnt trade if you dont actually take the time to read the specifications of the contract
[2016-08-12 12:25:56] bernx : I-am-Legend: there is high margin platform, ofc this will be hard and risky
[2016-08-12 12:26:04] haxmb : and ask the questions about things that are not clear
[2016-08-12 12:26:34] I-am-Legend : they got no good instructional videos to help noobs not everyone is a pro trader i came here to trade due to finex shit dont want to go back there but if i cant use this choice have to go back
[2016-08-12 12:27:07] I-am-Legend : i dont mind the risk that is a personal choice but if your getting rekt should know why your getting rekt
[2016-08-12 12:27:18] I-am-Legend : ETHXBT -2230 2230.00 ETH 0.01984 0.02029 0.02428 + 9.6178 XBT (4.07x) 0.2007 XBT (2.21%) -0.8925 XBT
[2016-08-12 12:27:48] bernx : I-am-Legend: so you lost about 10%.
[2016-08-12 12:27:52] I-am-Legend : can someone explain to me the -0.9825 realized pnl
[2016-08-12 12:28:12] bernx : I-am-Legend: dats today unrealized or overall?
[2016-08-12 12:28:29] I-am-Legend : its realized
[2016-08-12 12:28:50] bernx : I-am-Legend: there is total stats
[2016-08-12 12:28:54] I-am-Legend : i opened yesterday
[2016-08-12 12:28:55] migz : I-am-Legend: You are still holding the coin before it settled. You are at a loss that is why it was deducted in your balance / profit.
[2016-08-12 12:29:09] bernx : I-am-Legend: looks like there is just rebalance
[2016-08-12 12:29:56] bernx : I-am-Legend: open PNL calculator. There is looks like -1BTC (short)
[2016-08-12 12:29:59] I-am-Legend : its realised PNL -0.8btc
[2016-08-12 12:30:15] BitMEX_Wally : ETHXBT rebalanced at 0.02038 so your unrealised loss was realised
[2016-08-12 12:30:28] bernx : I-am-Legend: ye. so this is just rebalanced
[2016-08-12 12:30:52] I-am-Legend : ok starting to get it so re balance & funding not related
[2016-08-12 12:30:55] bernx : I-am-Legend: if entry 1984 and 2029 mark with 2230 contract yoour p/l -1BTC
[2016-08-12 12:31:21] I-am-Legend : so re-balance is when you get paid profits or pay losses
[2016-08-12 12:31:30] BitMEX_Wally : Correct
[2016-08-12 12:31:36] bernx : I-am-Legend: rebalance let you use your funds, funding just add/cut money
[2016-08-12 12:31:53] I-am-Legend : so if i paid out 1 btc of losses how come contract still same size
[2016-08-12 12:32:04] BitMEX_Wally : You got paid 0.2 XBT of interest, and had -1.26091 XBT of unrealised PNL that became realised, so net it was a payment of -1.0602626 XBT
[2016-08-12 12:32:09] I-am-Legend : if you pay losses should your contract size not be reduced ?
[2016-08-12 12:32:44] BitMEX_Wally : You are short 2230 contracts and this does not change
[2016-08-12 12:32:45] bernx : I-am-Legend: You just paid for use this. Finallly calculation will be after you close position
[2016-08-12 12:32:59] BitMEX_Wally : The value of your position is reduced though as the mark price has dropped
[2016-08-12 12:33:45] I-am-Legend : so wally if price does not move on every rebalance you get paid loss or get profits based on your position ?
[2016-08-12 12:34:49] I-am-Legend : so currently im 1.5% down before rebalance was 10%
[2016-08-12 12:35:14] I-am-Legend : so i wont pay the 10% again ? you start fresh from point of rebalance ?
[2016-08-12 12:35:24] BitMEX_Wally : Correct
[2016-08-12 12:35:33] I-am-Legend : but my base price didnt change
[2016-08-12 12:35:48] I-am-Legend : so my base price is same but i already paid my losses ?
[2016-08-12 12:36:09] I-am-Legend : wally how do i see what happened with my ETC contract
[2016-08-12 12:36:18] I-am-Legend : i opened yesterday it closed today
[2016-08-12 12:36:25] I-am-Legend : i cant see any stats on it?
[2016-08-12 12:36:55] I-am-Legend : on account page nothing showing on if i made profit or loss on ETC contract
[2016-08-12 12:39:01] BitMEX_Wally : If you hover over your average entry price it will show you the last rebalance price which is used for calculating unrealised PNL
[2016-08-12 12:39:44] I-am-Legend : ok & how do i know what happened with ETC long
[2016-08-12 12:40:07] I-am-Legend : it re-balanced today position was closed
[2016-08-12 12:40:18] BitMEX_Wally : Your profit from ETC7D will have been settled into your wallet with a CashSettlement, you can see that here: https://www.bitmex.com/app/wallet
[2016-08-12 12:40:24] I-am-Legend : i cant see anything on it what i paid in funding or profit/loss
[2016-08-12 12:42:11] I-am-Legend : wally i see only this with ETC7d CashSettlement -0.0112 XBT -.-- ETC7D
[2016-08-12 12:42:48] bernx : I-am-Legend: yes. this is what you look
[2016-08-12 12:42:58] I-am-Legend : thats just funding no? how come i paid funding fees ? i dont see any profits on actual etc position, im sure i was in small profit
[2016-08-12 12:43:21] lockhedge : I-am-Legend: you can use the filter `{"execType":"Funding"}` in your trade history to see funding fees you paid/received https://www.bitmex.com/app/tradeHistory if the fee is positive you paid, if it's negative you received funding
[2016-08-12 12:43:23] I-am-Legend : ETC longs were earning interest
[2016-08-12 12:44:13] BitMEX_Wally : Trade history here:
[2016-08-12 12:44:14] BitMEX_Wally : https://www.bitmex.com/app/tradeHistory
[2016-08-12 12:44:16] BitMEX_Sam : You can just click the word `Funding` to easily filter
[2016-08-12 12:45:20] BitMEX_Wally : ETC7D does not have funding, it's a future
[2016-08-12 12:46:15] haxmb : ETC7D settled at 0.003258
[2016-08-12 12:46:15] BitMEX_Wally : You bought at 0.003261 and it settled at 0.003258 so that was a loss of -0.009 XBT, plus trading fees so in total it was -0.0111971
[2016-08-12 12:48:41] rapidtrades : https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/4xdce2/doing_these_three_things_wouldve_avoided_90_of/
[2016-08-12 12:49:48] I-am-Legend : ok thanks im starting to get it now
[2016-08-12 12:50:01] I-am-Legend : bit rekt first day but im getting it
[2016-08-12 12:50:28] I-am-Legend : so before you open any trade you should check rebalance & funding
[2016-08-12 12:50:38] I-am-Legend : i did not do that on those first 2 trades
[2016-08-12 12:51:24] ayy_lmao : there is a testnet you can use
[2016-08-12 12:51:34] ayy_lmao : to try out everything without risking money
[2016-08-12 12:52:09] ayy_lmao : https://testnet.bitmex.com/
[2016-08-12 12:52:17] I-am-Legend : yeah lost over 1 btc already should have used testne
[2016-08-12 12:52:44] I-am-Legend : wally how do i know what is my current eth base price after rebalance
[2016-08-12 12:52:56] I-am-Legend : my entry price is the same
[2016-08-12 12:53:21] lockhedge : "If you hover over your average entry price it will show you the last rebalance price which is used for calculating unrealised PNL"
[2016-08-12 12:54:27] I-am-Legend : hovering on left side below contract is my entry price but not showing rebalance
[2016-08-12 12:54:40] I-am-Legend : ahh below yea
[2016-08-12 12:55:04] I-am-Legend : so now im at 0.0238 does that mean thats my base price now on short ?
[2016-08-12 12:55:18] I-am-Legend : was 0.01984 before
[2016-08-12 12:57:13] justinlooking : I-am-Legend: you can hover over the entry price in open positions to see last rebalance price
[2016-08-12 12:57:21] justinlooking : (assumes on desktop)
[2016-08-12 12:57:37] I-am-Legend : yeah justin i see it is that my new base price
[2016-08-12 12:58:15] I-am-Legend : so on every rebalance your entry price is adjusted ?
[2016-08-12 12:58:26] lockhedge : yes, at rebalance you realized the loss and the rebalance price became your new entry price,
[2016-08-12 12:58:36] I-am-Legend : sick
[2016-08-12 12:58:57] I-am-Legend : i was getting rekt but didnt know why at least i know now
[2016-08-12 12:59:10] I-am-Legend : expensive 1 btc lesson
[2016-08-12 12:59:29] justinlooking : dafuq is goin on in ETC ?
[2016-08-12 13:00:49] rapidtrades : show it some love jews https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/4xdce2/doing_these_three_things_wouldve_avoided_90_of/
[2016-08-12 13:01:07] rapidtrades : bitfinex is upvoting their shit so why can't we
[2016-08-12 13:06:25] I-am-Legend : what is the difference between rebalance & funding ? on top right i see 0.215 im short on eth currently.
[2016-08-12 13:10:06] BitMEX_Wally : Rebalancing is every 24 hours and it moves all PNL to/from your wallet. This cash rebalance amount includes all PNL, fees, and funding
[2016-08-12 13:11:38] I-am-Legend : & funding wally? currently funding showing 0.215% on eth, how do you know if you receive or pay the interest
[2016-08-12 13:12:27] I-am-Legend : so re-balancing essentially starts your trade over again with new base price on ETH?
[2016-08-12 13:13:19] I-am-Legend : Wally my ETC position was closed on rebalancing but ETH position stayed open, why do ETC positions get closed on rebalance but eth dont
[2016-08-12 13:14:27] justinlooking : I-am-Legend: if the rate is positive, long positions pay, and short positions earn
[2016-08-12 13:14:28] ayy_lmao : longs pay during positive funding, shorts pay during negative funding
[2016-08-12 13:15:10] rapidtrades : man why are longs getting payed again
[2016-08-12 13:15:15] rapidtrades : there was no discount
[2016-08-12 13:15:22] I-am-Legend : justin how do they calculate who earns & who is paying, im guessing it has something to do with real market price ?
[2016-08-12 13:15:26] lockhedge : I-am-Legend: ETC is a futures contract "This contract settles on the .ETCXBT30M index value Every Friday at 14:00 (12:00 UTC)" https://www.bitmex.com/app/contract/ETC7D
[2016-08-12 13:15:40] ayy_lmao : https://www.bitmex.com/app/swapsGuide
[2016-08-12 13:15:46] ayy_lmao : all the math is in there
[2016-08-12 13:16:58] justinlooking : ^ and the xbt funding symbol is here: https://www.bitmex.com/app/index/.XBTUSDPI8H
[2016-08-12 13:18:18] ayy_lmao : I-am-Legend: ETC settles every 7D, whereas every other contracts except for (XBTU16, ETC7D) are perpetual, meaning they don't settle
[2016-08-12 13:19:14] ayy_lmao : BFX , A50 , XBJ settle also
[2016-08-12 13:19:29] lockhedge : BitMEX_Wally: are you planning to exclude XBTBON and USDBON from the XBTUSD funding rate calculations?
[2016-08-12 13:20:08] ayy_lmao : if you see a funding rate, its a perpetual contract
[2016-08-12 13:24:10] I-am-Legend : on ETC classic there is range i understand its the price range but what time frame is it. what is the range for ?
[2016-08-12 13:24:27] I-am-Legend : on forked eth its interest there in place of range
[2016-08-12 13:36:00] zanza : wow 30% DPE on ETC
[2016-08-12 13:38:43] haxmb : just push it up a bit
[2016-08-12 13:38:47] haxmb : and we'll be right as rain
[2016-08-12 13:39:04] I-am-Legend : what is 30% DPE you mean the move up
[2016-08-12 13:39:23] haxmb : if we settle @ this price in 6d22h
[2016-08-12 13:39:28] zanza : clawback
[2016-08-12 13:39:38] haxmb : everyone with profit on ETC7D will lose 30% of that profit
[2016-08-12 13:39:45] haxmb : if the DPE is 30%
[2016-08-12 13:39:56] haxmb : its because of the liquidation of 46336 cont @ 0.00352
[2016-08-12 13:41:03] I-am-Legend : DPE is what like socialized loss
[2016-08-12 13:41:38] I-am-Legend : why are people in profit getting 30% less
[2016-08-12 13:44:15] haxmb : yeah socialized loss
[2016-08-12 13:44:18] zanza : ETC just reset, thats why its so high
[2016-08-12 13:44:30] haxmb : well if you also DPE the people with loss
[2016-08-12 13:44:33] haxmb : then you lose while losing :D
[2016-08-12 13:44:52] zanza : loseception
[2016-08-12 13:48:56] aethlios : bitmex soeculates with the order
[2016-08-12 13:49:28] zanza : how did DPE goto 0, without filling the order?
[2016-08-12 13:49:51] aethlios : magic
[2016-08-12 13:50:11] zanza : did Sam just press the disappear button? :)
[2016-08-12 13:50:54] lockhedge : mark price is higher than the liquidation order's price
[2016-08-12 13:51:43] zanza : the liq was .0035
[2016-08-12 13:51:44] lockhedge : and it's gone
[2016-08-12 13:52:15] zanza : how did the liq disappear when price never hit it ?
[2016-08-12 13:52:41] BitMEX_Sam : See that buy for 10936
[2016-08-12 13:52:43] BitMEX_Sam : That was the last of it
[2016-08-12 13:53:09] zanza : the liq was .0035 tho ?
[2016-08-12 13:53:19] BitMEX_Sam : It moved down to 0.003347
[2016-08-12 13:53:28] zanza : oh liqs can move
[2016-08-12 13:53:35] BitMEX_Sam : There was an allocation from the insurance fund
[2016-08-12 13:54:02] I-am-Legend : so what happens to people opening ETC position now
[2016-08-12 13:54:02] zanza : I didn't expect it to last long, since there is almost 7 full days anyways
[2016-08-12 13:54:19] BitMEX_Sam : I-am-Legend: Nothing... DPE is cleared
[2016-08-12 13:54:21] I-am-Legend : if i open ETC short or long now will the DPE affect me ?
[2016-08-12 13:54:24] zanza : 0 DPE meaning 0 clawback
[2016-08-12 13:54:25] BitMEX_Sam : Nope, it's gone
[2016-08-12 13:54:31] I-am-Legend : ok great