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[2016-08-10 20:51:28] wurstgelee : thats what i am thinking about too
[2016-08-10 20:51:30] arbitrage001 : should price keep dropping, their liability will keep going down
[2016-08-10 20:51:39] rapidtrades : it may not have went down at all
[2016-08-10 20:51:56] rapidtrades : ppl can argue selling them was only way to get partial compensation
[2016-08-10 20:52:02] rapidtrades : and still ask for rest 2/3
[2016-08-10 20:52:04] arbitrage001 : rapidtrades: yes 2/3
[2016-08-10 20:52:13] lockhedge : arbitrage001: how will bifinex make more money than they spend in the coming weeks?
[2016-08-10 20:52:13] mike23aa : does anyone know when bitmex rebalance XBT with bitfinex index?
[2016-08-10 20:52:23] rapidtrades : they're not a legally approved debt instrument
[2016-08-10 20:52:36] arbitrage001 : lockhedge: their business model sound
[2016-08-10 20:52:43] arbitrage001 : and highly profitable
[2016-08-10 20:52:46] rapidtrades : they didn't even back them with anything
[2016-08-10 20:52:55] rapidtrades : there's no obligation to rebuy them
[2016-08-10 20:53:06] rapidtrades : they're just shiny coinz
[2016-08-10 20:53:10] arbitrage001 : rapidtrades: they word it in such way to reduce their liability
[2016-08-10 20:53:19] Rizky : if everyone bails no future revenue to make them good either
[2016-08-10 20:53:21] rapidtrades : didn't u read what i said?
[2016-08-10 20:53:28] rapidtrades : that's the dumbest thing i heard
[2016-08-10 20:53:31] arbitrage001 : intentionally make people to sell way below par
[2016-08-10 20:53:46] rapidtrades : can i issue some paper currency to pay off my mortgage#/
[2016-08-10 20:54:17] rapidtrades : i'll just write some 100000101010 on a piece of paper and give it to the bank
[2016-08-10 20:54:19] arbitrage001 : rapidtrades: if you have good business model, high profit bussniess and good trust
[2016-08-10 20:54:47] rapidtrades : here u go Mr. Banker...im not saying this is a IOU...im not saying i will ever rebuy this from u
[2016-08-10 20:54:53] rapidtrades : just have it...for keeps
[2016-08-10 20:54:57] lockhedge : arbitrage001: they have rising overheads (litigation costs, security consulting fees...) and very likely much less revenue
[2016-08-10 20:55:03] rapidtrades : as a souvenir of whow stupid u were
[2016-08-10 20:55:39] arbitrage001 : lockhedge: true, but betting at 0.32 still a good bet
[2016-08-10 20:55:53] rapidtrades : j8: how many coins to they have left chain inspector
[2016-08-10 20:55:58] rapidtrades : this is a disaster
[2016-08-10 20:56:20] j8 : i don't keep track of all their addresses.
[2016-08-10 20:57:38] muieLaRapid : bifinex isn't working 4 me
[2016-08-10 20:58:13] muieLaRapid : there must have been 2 many withdrawals
[2016-08-10 20:59:07] Rado : j8: I have 2 BTC lost from a long time ago. From my first wallet
[2016-08-10 20:59:22] Rado : I still have all the transaction IDs and the backup of my original wallet
[2016-08-10 20:59:31] Rado : are you up for helping me recover them?
[2016-08-10 20:59:48] j8 : so missing a passphrase?
[2016-08-10 20:59:49] Rado : I will give you big chunk of them
[2016-08-10 21:00:02] Rado : I have the password for the Wallet
[2016-08-10 21:00:22] j8 : whats the problem then
[2016-08-10 21:01:04] Rado : I send some BTC to another address
[2016-08-10 21:01:15] Rado : the 2 BTC left are in another address
[2016-08-10 21:01:28] Rado : the wallet was a web wallet and it's not there anymore
[2016-08-10 21:01:38] Rado : so I have no idea how to get them from that new address
[2016-08-10 21:01:57] habibi : which service u used?
[2016-08-10 21:02:28] Rado : let me try to remember the exact name
[2016-08-10 21:03:22] j8 : normally a web wallet would give you a backup when you set it up.. if you don't have that and the service has disappeared then you're probably out of luck
[2016-08-10 21:03:39] Rado : I do have the original backup
[2016-08-10 21:03:48] Rado : but not a backup after the first transaction
[2016-08-10 21:04:12] Rado : not sure why they were creating a new address when I made a transaction for part of the coins
[2016-08-10 21:04:59] Rado : 1. First transaction: https://blockchain.info/address/1HHkWyw3hAniyJzuwgax8Q7g3u3ZfiBtga
[2016-08-10 21:05:13] Rado : 2. Second transaction: https://blockchain.info/address/1N4cNpHhw7DeYvsjkNeBihWEYrxQxSFE3d
[2016-08-10 21:05:34] Rado : 3. Final destination of the bitcoins: https://blockchain.info/address/1JEX9DZMj47hUsTrC2iW3PNhL8Nf4wiLni
[2016-08-10 21:05:38] aethlios : what % of their coins left already??
[2016-08-10 21:06:24] Rado : j8: the 1.995 at 1JEX9DZMj47hUsTrC2iW3PNhL8Nf4wiLni are mine
[2016-08-10 21:06:30] Rado : no idea how to get them
[2016-08-10 21:06:48] habibi : 82k left from 127k
[2016-08-10 21:07:23] Rado : let me know, I will give you 0.995 BTC
[2016-08-10 21:07:43] Rado : half of it basically
[2016-08-10 21:07:54] j8 : Rado: it's probably a change address which is included in the backup that you have
[2016-08-10 21:08:16] Rado : why would it be in the first backup of the wallet?
[2016-08-10 21:09:04] lockhedge : habibi: plus 5k from here https://blockchain.info/address/39coweGgC8CPZ6hYL1BBEfc1zqbSfHsprW?filter=1
[2016-08-10 21:09:40] j8 : the way to backup an old-style wallet (not HD wallets) is to include 100's of addresses for future use
[2016-08-10 21:09:54] j8 : so that you don't have to back it up after every transaction
[2016-08-10 21:10:11] Rado : j8: it was coinpunk
[2016-08-10 21:10:16] Rado : let me open the backup
[2016-08-10 21:11:46] rapidtrades : still nothing..5 hrs now
[2016-08-10 21:12:03] j8 : most wallets have an option to sweep or import private keys
[2016-08-10 21:12:22] Rado : j8: the backup seem to encrypted
[2016-08-10 21:12:43] Rado : so it doesn't list the addresses
[2016-08-10 21:12:51] Rado : there is a big salt string
[2016-08-10 21:13:02] Rado : chiper is aes
[2016-08-10 21:13:45] j8 : i found this https://github.com/eugeneware/coinpunk-tools
[2016-08-10 21:14:30] j8 : can't guarantee it doesn't steal your coins.
[2016-08-10 21:14:57] j8 : but it seems to be saying it's encrypted with your username and password
[2016-08-10 21:15:47] rapidtrades : habibi: 82k left from 127k? didn't they have much more
[2016-08-10 21:15:53] Rado : very nice find j8
[2016-08-10 21:15:54] rapidtrades : no wait
[2016-08-10 21:16:05] Rado : I will try it and see if I can recover my private key
[2016-08-10 21:16:10] rapidtrades : are u sure there;s 80k left hajibi or just BSsing like usual
[2016-08-10 21:16:12] habibi : rapidtrades: they had obviously, just 119k was stolen
[2016-08-10 21:16:13] Rado : will let you know
[2016-08-10 21:16:21] rapidtrades : habibi: FINE
[2016-08-10 21:16:33] rapidtrades : gooooooooooot it
[2016-08-10 21:16:39] rapidtrades : sue time
[2016-08-10 21:16:41] habibi : rapidtrades: i am impresed
[2016-08-10 21:16:51] rapidtrades : my revenge will be great
[2016-08-10 21:17:06] rapidtrades : first i will send a strognyl worded email
[2016-08-10 21:17:14] habibi : rapidtrades: i bet their's lawyers already quiting job coz of ur sue coming :)
[2016-08-10 21:17:36] rapidtrades : god bless America
[2016-08-10 21:17:40] bernx : Bitmex staff are here?
[2016-08-10 21:17:41] rapidtrades : it's a good day to be alive
[2016-08-10 21:18:02] rapidtrades : paying that 2.5% premium was worth it
[2016-08-10 21:18:07] Rado : lol rapidtrades
[2016-08-10 21:18:30] cenkzu : 119700 or smth was stolen and they kept around 129k
[2016-08-10 21:18:49] rapidtrades : guess im technically not in the clear yet...they could still double-spend me :)
[2016-08-10 21:19:33] rapidtrades : great man i can finally grab a bite
[2016-08-10 21:20:02] habibi : double spend ur brain, just to study that anomaly even more
[2016-08-10 21:20:10] j8 : bitfinex doublespending would be awesome
[2016-08-10 21:20:14] rapidtrades : habibi: asshole :)
[2016-08-10 21:20:33] rapidtrades : not even mad cos i got 61.5% of my shit out
[2016-08-10 21:20:55] rapidtrades : can i sue for that 2.5% premium? or is that considered poor form
[2016-08-10 21:21:13] rapidtrades : i should sue about everything and then scale it down in negotiations
[2016-08-10 21:22:01] rapidtrades : whoeever doesn't have their coins yet hope u get em soon
[2016-08-10 21:22:05] rapidtrades : brb food
[2016-08-10 21:23:01] arbitrage001 : rapidtrades: how much you lose? is it even worth suing?
[2016-08-10 21:23:50] rapidtrades : plan to organize smth
[2016-08-10 21:24:45] rapidtrades : https://www.reddit.com/r/bitfinexcal
[2016-08-10 21:25:19] rapidtrades : looks like some guy posted says he's CAL attorney....no idea if he's BSing
[2016-08-10 21:25:35] rapidtrades : will check out what he has to say after i eat
[2016-08-10 21:26:53] rapidtrades : right after i ban this todd cocksucker
[2016-08-10 21:28:52] arbitrage001 : my bid @.3 got hit
[2016-08-10 21:29:19] rapidtrades : cool now u own literally nothing of value of 30 cents
[2016-08-10 21:29:25] rapidtrades : congratulations
[2016-08-10 21:29:29] arbitrage001 : 66% reduction in debt,
[2016-08-10 21:29:44] rapidtrades : it's not a legal reduction of debt u dummy
[2016-08-10 21:29:44] arbitrage001 : litigation cost will be way less
[2016-08-10 21:29:56] rapidtrades : dude...reading comprehension
[2016-08-10 21:30:22] arbitrage001 : will see who has the last laugh
[2016-08-10 21:31:23] j8 : buy it all!
[2016-08-10 21:31:39] arbitrage001 : have 100k bid at 0.1
[2016-08-10 21:31:56] rapidtrades : this is sad to watch
[2016-08-10 21:31:58] arbitrage001 : will sell at 0.3 should it get hit
[2016-08-10 21:32:24] rapidtrades : does finex charge fees in trading in BFX coin
[2016-08-10 21:32:39] arbitrage001 : not sure
[2016-08-10 21:34:25] j8 : i hear it's going to 1.5
[2016-08-10 21:34:40] arbitrage001 : j8: how so
[2016-08-10 21:34:55] arbitrage001 : unless they are swapping the company equity at low valuation
[2016-08-10 21:34:58] rapidtrades : he heard it thru the grapewine
[2016-08-10 21:35:48] j8 : polo pump'n'dump team is gonna take everyone for a ride
[2016-08-10 21:36:12] arbitrage001 : polo already listed the token?
[2016-08-10 21:36:33] aethlios : wait to hit polo, they will pump it.
[2016-08-10 21:39:20] aethlios : arbitrage001: you can't move it yet. they have to create a blockchain first
[2016-08-10 21:39:36] lockhedge : it's not even a token yet, it's just Bitfinex accounting. they wrote that they are "working on tokenizing BFX via the Omni Layer to allow withdrawals"
[2016-08-10 21:42:35] rapidtrades : ask ur questions here https://www.reddit.com/r/bitfinexcal/comments/4x43y8/i_ama_class_action_attorney_ask_me_anything_about/
[2016-08-10 21:42:52] rapidtrades : keep in mind could be just tetseo trollin
[2016-08-10 21:44:52] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETC7D`: Buy 50 @ 0.002980
[2016-08-10 21:44:52] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETC7D`: Buy 2000 @ 0.002986
[2016-08-10 21:49:10] Rado : rapidtrades: very good question
[2016-08-10 21:49:19] Rado : let us know if he answers
[2016-08-10 22:04:13] rapidtrades : fines now $3 below market
[2016-08-10 22:04:28] rapidtrades : as wallets go dry, prices will continue to drop
[2016-08-10 22:04:32] ett1 : why below?
[2016-08-10 22:04:41] ett1 : i thought USD would be worth less on finex
[2016-08-10 22:04:52] rapidtrades : ppl will want that cold hard cash, easier to sue if u have usd i think
[2016-08-10 22:04:58] rapidtrades : since hack was bitcoins
[2016-08-10 22:05:35] ett1 : i sold everything for BTC and got out ASAP. i thought thats what most would do
[2016-08-10 22:05:46] ett1 : theyre withdrawing to bank?
[2016-08-10 22:06:28] j8 : i still think there's the risk that at any time, the site could be shut down and accounts frozen
[2016-08-10 22:06:46] ett1 : +1
[2016-08-10 22:07:10] rapidtrades : ett1: that's what everyone did...that's why they're slowly running out of coins
[2016-08-10 22:07:25] rapidtrades : anyone keeps a tally?
[2016-08-10 22:07:29] rapidtrades : how much out so far
[2016-08-10 22:07:49] ett1 : whos depositing and want USD (bfx IOUs)
[2016-08-10 22:08:05] ett1 : why would anyone put BTC on there to sell
[2016-08-10 22:08:10] rapidtrades : i just told u
[2016-08-10 22:08:28] rapidtrades : they have less BTC then their obligations
[2016-08-10 22:08:45] arbitrage001 : you are making too much assumption
[2016-08-10 22:08:53] rapidtrades : plz
[2016-08-10 22:09:03] rapidtrades : stfu bitfinex shareholder
[2016-08-10 22:09:20] arbitrage001 : you have access to bfx balance sheet?
[2016-08-10 22:09:36] lockhedge : rapidtrades: they still have 87k btc
[2016-08-10 22:11:24] fdsafdsafdsa : Hi I'm new. I'm looking for the fastest way to lose all of my money. Suggestions welcome.
[2016-08-10 22:11:49] ett1 : 2.5x long Bitfinex Token
[2016-08-10 22:12:11] fdsafdsafdsa : ett1: Mmm a most intriguing proposition
[2016-08-10 22:17:00] j8 : 100x on XBJ24H will get the job done too
[2016-08-10 22:18:21] fdsafdsafdsa : y?
[2016-08-10 22:19:11] j8 : because a 0.5% move in the wrong direction will liquidate you
[2016-08-10 22:19:46] fdsafdsafdsa : o right
[2016-08-10 22:19:54] fdsafdsafdsa : new guy is new
[2016-08-10 22:20:16] ett1 : a 0.5% move in the wrong direction will double his money, not help him lose faster
[2016-08-10 22:20:43] j8 : i suppose so
[2016-08-10 22:21:05] j8 : actually you need a 1% move in the wrong direction to double your money.
[2016-08-10 22:21:14] ett1 : he needs to pick the right direction for his goals and personality
[2016-08-10 22:21:32] j8 : we're probably just confusing him now
[2016-08-10 22:21:45] fdsafdsafdsa : i have personality
[2016-08-10 22:22:05] fdsafdsafdsa : where's the tab for 100x long on personality?
[2016-08-10 22:35:24] Rado : lol
[2016-08-10 22:35:27] Rado : you guys are funny
[2016-08-10 22:35:39] Rado : fdsafdsafdsa: https://www.bitmex.com/app/trade/XBJ24H
[2016-08-10 22:38:27] justinlooking : ETC is so smelly
[2016-08-10 22:41:40] Rado : justinlooking: I am looking to buy some contracts in the 0.0025-0.0026 area
[2016-08-10 22:44:32] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 9700 @ 593.21
[2016-08-10 22:59:47] lockhedge : finex just prepared another 5000 btc for withdrawal
[2016-08-10 22:59:51] lockhedge : https://blockchain.info/address/1Kr6QSydW9bFQG1mXiPNNu6WpJGmUa9i1g
[2016-08-10 23:00:15] rapidtrades : total wd how much?
[2016-08-10 23:01:10] rapidtrades : this is a strong no confidence vote
[2016-08-10 23:01:24] rapidtrades : not sure they were expecting this bankrun
[2016-08-10 23:02:14] jan : guys How is it possible I was liquidated ETC(buy long) at price 0.002588 while market price was 0.002731 ?
[2016-08-10 23:05:52] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 2851 @ 592.35
[2016-08-10 23:05:52] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 12500 @ 592.24
[2016-08-10 23:05:56] lockhedge : jan: 0.002588 is probably your bankruptcy price, you lose the maintenance margin (to the insurance fund) when your position gets liquidated
[2016-08-10 23:05:57] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 1000 @ 591.47
[2016-08-10 23:08:04] rapidtrades : my money arrived after 7 hours wait. I'll be selling most my crypto after this. It just ages me too fast. Quit while you're ahead, right?
[2016-08-10 23:08:23] rapidtrades : ^we'll be hearing lot of this next few weeks
[2016-08-10 23:10:32] jan : lockhedge: yes 0.002588 it's my bankruptcy. But why system sell at price which never exist.While it could sell it at price 0.002731 ?
[2016-08-10 23:10:59] Boontjie : it goes into the insurance fund
[2016-08-10 23:11:11] Boontjie : grats on contributing to the socialised loss system
[2016-08-10 23:12:22] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETHXBT`: Buy 2 @ 0.02073 :punch: :whale:
[2016-08-10 23:12:37] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 700 @ 591.27
[2016-08-10 23:12:51] jan : Will I be able to get fund back fro That "insurance fund" ?
[2016-08-10 23:13:17] Boontjie : No, its how it works. You get liquidated at mark price and the "premium" goes into insurance fund
[2016-08-10 23:13:45] Boontjie : So you get liquidated at 0.002588, but the system sells at 0.0027 the premium is 0.0002
[2016-08-10 23:13:53] jan : so it's sick system
[2016-08-10 23:14:03] Boontjie : pretty much
[2016-08-10 23:14:28] Boontjie : you can open a trade into a significant system loss starting position
[2016-08-10 23:14:30] lockhedge : jan: during very high volatility liquidation can't get filled, the insurance fund steps in to avoid DPE
[2016-08-10 23:14:32] BitMEX_Greg : jan: No. This is to ensure in the event of a large unfilled liquidation then the socialised loss can be smaller.
[2016-08-10 23:14:45] Boontjie : once opened a trade and got liquidated immediately
[2016-08-10 23:15:10] rapidtrades : mexed
[2016-08-10 23:16:18] Boontjie : rapidtrades: dont be so smug about it, i made a calc error and got penalised for it. still annoyed to this day
[2016-08-10 23:17:27] BitMEX_Greg : Sometimes its best to make an error like this early on, so you make sure you don't do it again when you're trading larger sizes
[2016-08-10 23:17:58] jan : Ok so what if today insurance system took 30 BTC and real loss is 0.5 BTC ? Where this 29.5 BTC go to ?
[2016-08-10 23:18:01] BitMEX_Greg : Fatfingers are really annoying
[2016-08-10 23:18:39] BitMEX_Greg : jan: The insurance fund grows until it's needed for a unfilled liquidation event
[2016-08-10 23:20:22] jan : So can we see today state insurance fund ?
[2016-08-10 23:20:27] lockhedge : BitMEX_Greg: btw Wally once promised a break down of the insurance fund(s), would be important to see how much is there for individual instruments https://www.bitmex.com/app/insuranceFund
[2016-08-10 23:21:28] BitMEX_Greg : lockhedge: May need to ask Wally about that when he's back online. I'm unaware of what is in the pipeline for this
[2016-08-10 23:21:51] BitMEX_Greg : I know that all liquidations are available via the API, so you should be able to calculate it manually I believe
[2016-08-10 23:23:35] migz : So you can see who will be liquidated via api? in price?
[2016-08-10 23:23:44] lockhedge : should be possible but hard to get all fill prices
[2016-08-10 23:24:10] migz : got it.
[2016-08-10 23:24:12] lockhedge : migz: no only open/unfilled liquidations
[2016-08-10 23:24:22] migz : i see
[2016-08-10 23:26:26] Boontjie : migz: goto API explorer, liquidations and set symbol to 'XBTU16'
[2016-08-10 23:26:36] jan : hah so I with my 0.85 BTC wallet balance had to cover/pay today about 0.47 BTC in 2 deals to the system pretty f well :(
[2016-08-10 23:26:37] Boontjie : you will see the 19K there
[2016-08-10 23:27:18] lockhedge : https://www.bitmex.com/api/v1/liquidation
[2016-08-10 23:28:24] Boontjie : lockhedge: is that all of them?
[2016-08-10 23:29:33] lockhedge : yes, this should show open liquidations for all instruments, seems there is only one unfilled liq
[2016-08-10 23:44:50] ayy_lmao : jan: welcome to bitmex
[2016-08-10 23:44:52] ayy_lmao : lol
[2016-08-10 23:46:02] jan : It was very expensive lesson
[2016-08-10 23:46:26] tbbb : i'm also new here, jan what did you do wrong?
[2016-08-10 23:46:50] tbbb : also, what was your leverage
[2016-08-10 23:47:17] jan : just thought system will sell me at liqud price
[2016-08-10 23:48:44] tbbb : whole story pls? what was your postion, long, short? where did you open it
[2016-08-10 23:49:07] tbbb : can I pm here?
[2016-08-10 23:50:42] jan : long etc max leverage.
[2016-08-10 23:50:57] tbbb : 100x?
[2016-08-10 23:51:09] Rado : ETC max is 10x
[2016-08-10 23:51:30] jan : yes
[2016-08-10 23:53:09] jan : It's not a matter,surprice for me was liq price :)
[2016-08-10 23:53:33] BitMEX_Greg : jan: Once the mark price reaches liquidation price, your entire position is automatically taken over by the liquidation engine
[2016-08-10 23:53:37] Rado : j8: so I was able to use this tool and extracted 2 private keys
[2016-08-10 23:54:04] jan : @BitMEX_Greg thx yes now I know
[2016-08-10 23:54:28] Rado : j8: how would I use them now to import the address with the BTC?
[2016-08-10 23:59:26] BitMEX_Greg : jan: Sure no problem. If you have time, please take a good read through the trading guides before you trade larger so you understand the system well. Happy Trading!
[2016-08-11 00:03:39] jan : BitMEX_Greg: thx
[2016-08-11 00:03:57] Mm bot : BitMEX_Greg: the risk limit for ETH is too low, should it be 100XBT like BTC market, the change stopped my bot last night, mm bot might have big spread orders to catch big movements.
[2016-08-11 00:13:17] BitMEX_Greg : Mm bot: I'll bring it up with the other guys. An email was sent out a few days ago so everyone was well aware of the changes.
[2016-08-11 00:30:45] Mm bot : BitMEX_Greg: thx man, You guys are killing it lately with more volumn, users and gain on this whole BFX..
[2016-08-11 00:31:28] Mm bot : BitMEX_Greg: Go hard on reddit/marketing man.. you guys deserve it with a alternative trading platform that is improving all the time on risk management. :)
[2016-08-11 00:34:06] BitMEX_Greg : Mm bot: Thanks for the kind words. We strive to make trading on our exchange as fair and as secure as possible
[2016-08-11 01:34:20] Rado : j8: both private keys that I was able to recover was for addresses that are empty
[2016-08-11 01:34:48] Rado : the 3rd address has the bitcoins, but there was no private key for that address in my backup
[2016-08-11 01:34:52] Rado : :(
[2016-08-11 01:45:55] jan : Rado: what program to recover you using?
[2016-08-11 01:47:02] Rado : jan:it was specific to the coinpunk wallet where I had my bitcoins
[2016-08-11 02:56:31] herpinator : wow dat 2.5k btc buy on huobi
[2016-08-11 02:56:33] j8 : Rado: dang tough luck
[2016-08-11 03:05:51] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC7D`: Sell 500 @ 0.002689
[2016-08-11 03:14:42] Rado : j8: it's ok
[2016-08-11 03:14:47] Rado : made a lot since then
[2016-08-11 03:15:09] Rado : this was a wallet from 2014
[2016-08-11 03:15:22] Rado : I think someone hacked him or he stole the coins
[2016-08-11 03:15:25] j8 : yeah life goes on
[2016-08-11 03:16:39] Rado : at least I learned now how to secure my coins
[2016-08-11 03:16:48] Rado : what do you think about the blockchain.info wallet
[2016-08-11 03:17:07] j8 : trading makes you a bit desensitized to losses. blockchain.info is terrible obviously
[2016-08-11 03:17:08] Rado : they say that you control all the keys so even if they go away you can get your coins
[2016-08-11 03:17:42] j8 : they've just screwed up enough times to stay away.
[2016-08-11 03:17:49] Rado : j8: what do you suggest?
[2016-08-11 03:17:54] Rado : hardware wallet?
[2016-08-11 03:18:06] j8 : that's what i do
[2016-08-11 03:18:16] zanza : ledger?
[2016-08-11 03:18:48] Rado : j8: which one do you use?
[2016-08-11 03:18:50] j8 : trezor.
[2016-08-11 03:18:54] Rado : thanks
[2016-08-11 03:19:08] j8 : they are on sale right now
[2016-08-11 03:20:12] Rado : says $99 on their website
[2016-08-11 03:20:39] j8 : "bitfinex" promo code
[2016-08-11 03:20:44] j8 : https://twitter.com/BitcoinTrezor/status/763422042515529728
[2016-08-11 03:21:26] Rado : cool
[2016-08-11 03:21:29] Rado : ty
[2016-08-11 03:21:58] j8 : they are adding some cool stuff like using it to unlock a password manager
[2016-08-11 03:22:20] j8 : or log into a site directly with trezor.
[2016-08-11 03:22:26] Rado : nice
[2016-08-11 03:22:40] Rado : it's funny how they advertise the bitfinex promo code
[2016-08-11 03:22:51] j8 : yeah ha, should have been 36% off
[2016-08-11 03:22:57] Rado : Celebrate Bitfinex' return! Get 20% off on your next TREZOR. Apply code "bitfinex" at checkout.
[2016-08-11 03:22:59] Rado : lol
[2016-08-11 03:23:00] Rado : yeah
[2016-08-11 03:23:32] zanza : ETC is on sale
[2016-08-11 03:23:45] Rado : zanza: 0.00255
[2016-08-11 03:23:53] Rado : I am calling the bottom there
[2016-08-11 03:23:58] zanza : trezor is good, I think ledger looks a bit better in my opinion
[2016-08-11 03:24:16] Rado : zanza: what is better?
[2016-08-11 03:25:05] zanza : both are very good
[2016-08-11 03:25:22] zanza : Ledger I think has better software development (they already support ETH)
[2016-08-11 03:25:35] zanza : they also have a $15 HW wallet
[2016-08-11 03:28:01] Rado : cool
[2016-08-11 03:28:06] Rado : thank you too
[2016-08-11 03:32:37] micmix : We use Trezor, it's supported by many diffrent wallets
[2016-08-11 03:33:04] Rado : micmix: supported in what way?
[2016-08-11 03:33:25] Rado : transfer from trezor to the wallet?
[2016-08-11 03:34:01] j8 : http://doc.satoshilabs.com/trezor-apps/index.html
[2016-08-11 03:34:04] micmix : no, you can use trezor to store private keys and sign transactions in different wallet
[2016-08-11 03:34:23] micmix : even multisig is supported
[2016-08-11 03:35:07] Rado : got it
[2016-08-11 03:35:22] micmix : going to buy another one with finex discount ;-)
[2016-08-11 03:35:26] Rado : so you don't have anythign in the wallet itself, but can use trezor to send BTC
[2016-08-11 03:38:02] j8 : the wallet has pubkeys, i think, but can't sign.
[2016-08-11 03:40:47] j8 : oh and hidden wallets are a super cool feature. you can have as many wallets as you want on the same device, each encrypted with a different passphrase
[2016-08-11 03:42:12] j8 : so if someone is torturing you to give them your password you just give them one for a low valued account, and they can't know that there's way more money on the device
[2016-08-11 03:43:16] zanza : yeah, I don't think Ledger has that feature!
[2016-08-11 03:43:25] zanza : plausible deniability
[2016-08-11 03:54:28] micmix : yep, it's a very cool feature
[2016-08-11 03:55:13] micmix : I also use cryptosteel for backup. It's buried in a secret place ;-)
[2016-08-11 03:59:51] zanza : i hear under Bird Fountain is safe
[2016-08-11 04:05:10] Rado : micmix, j8: trezor is on it's way
[2016-08-11 04:05:11] Rado : :-)
[2016-08-11 04:05:21] zanza : graz
[2016-08-11 04:05:46] j8 : nice
[2016-08-11 04:07:04] j8 : i bought one recently so i missed the sale, but i bought it with btc and the price was 10% higher, so i guess i win in that small way
[2016-08-11 04:08:33] Rado : I paid with btc as well
[2016-08-11 04:14:53] j8 : did you guys hear pgp talking on whalepool today
[2016-08-11 04:17:21] j8 : best part is when he mentions putting a $1 cap on the BFXUSD market as a safety and people freak out.
[2016-08-11 04:18:06] ayy_lmao : lmao
[2016-08-11 04:18:13] ayy_lmao : so much scam going on over there
[2016-08-11 04:18:27] ayy_lmao : designed so that bitfinex will always be able to buy them back lower
[2016-08-11 04:18:30] ayy_lmao : and never have to worry
[2016-08-11 04:26:20] j8 : if they buy them back below $1 then it's truly a scam. they say they're not doing that, so think what you will
[2016-08-11 04:28:43] ayy_lmao : you would never know if they did, thats all that needs to be said
[2016-08-11 04:29:09] ayy_lmao : not like pgp hasn't traded on his own exchange before
[2016-08-11 05:10:24] Tetsuo : Bitfinex - "Designed to protect traders"
[2016-08-11 05:11:00] Tetsuo : "Security first "
[2016-08-11 05:18:41] rapidtrades : gguys just woke up
[2016-08-11 05:18:51] rapidtrades : how many has been withdrawn so far
[2016-08-11 05:23:35] rapidtrades : finex now at $4 discount
[2016-08-11 05:23:52] rapidtrades : guys how do I spell distressed
[2016-08-11 05:23:59] rapidtrades : oh wait and i think i just did
[2016-08-11 05:24:24] j8 : why isn't distressed the opposite of stressed?
[2016-08-11 05:24:40] rapidtrades : bcos language
[2016-08-11 05:25:25] rapidtrades : time to brush up on our BVI laws
[2016-08-11 05:25:48] rapidtrades : so if I get this right....the HK entity is owned by ther BVI entity
[2016-08-11 05:26:04] rapidtrades : so shouldn't we hit HK first
[2016-08-11 05:26:08] rapidtrades : as in sue them first
[2016-08-11 05:26:18] rapidtrades : where's our money held
[2016-08-11 05:26:47] rapidtrades : i mean i know bank is taiwan but legally who has control over that bank account, HK or BVI
[2016-08-11 05:27:51] rapidtrades : sleger: did u discuss filing an injunction against their bank with the lawyer?
[2016-08-11 05:29:34] rapidtrades : man etc really taking the hit today
[2016-08-11 05:30:07] rapidtrades : prolly not surprising given it's smaller market cap and finex potentailly selling it for BTC
[2016-08-11 05:35:12] germanjew : I think the pump is just finally over :)
[2016-08-11 05:35:23] rapidtrades : The Insolvency Act largely eschews the rescue culture and emphasises the protection of creditors' rights (and in particular secured creditors' rights) over other stakeholders in a bankruptcy and the rehabilitation and protection of businesses as a going concern
[2016-08-11 05:35:40] rapidtrades : BVI law
[2016-08-11 05:35:51] rapidtrades : on recue culture 'The central argument of the report was that too many companies were simply left to die, when they could be revived, saved or brought to a close in a more orderly way. Cork advocated that the law should encourage a "rescue culture", to restore companies back to profitability, which would be in the longer term interests of creditors'
[2016-08-11 05:38:39] zanza : have a nice trip to BVI and hiring lawyer, should set you back 5-10k just to start
[2016-08-11 05:39:02] rapidtrades : yeah right....its 2016 bitch
[2016-08-11 05:39:13] zanza : these companies locate themselves out of these remote places to make it extremely hard to chase them down
[2016-08-11 05:39:19] rapidtrades : no shit
[2016-08-11 05:39:44] rapidtrades : that's why we're doing a class action dummy
[2016-08-11 05:39:48] rapidtrades : pooling resourses
[2016-08-11 05:39:58] germanjew : imo, only once I have had a look at bfx's calcs on the ~36% hair cut will I know what to do. I will not be happy with them if they are only using customer funds and none of their own
[2016-08-11 05:40:27] zanza : germanjew: are you really a German and Jewish ?
[2016-08-11 05:40:36] rapidtrades : looks like that's exactly what happened and they're not even conducting an audit @germanjew
[2016-08-11 05:40:46] germanjew : Haha no, it was a nickname from school that stuck
[2016-08-11 05:41:47] rapidtrades : if sleger is to believed than 30 days after they don't fulfill a payment request they will be forced into bankruptsy
[2016-08-11 05:42:07] rapidtrades : should be go with crypto specific lawyer or like a general CAL
[2016-08-11 05:42:51] zanza : if they thought they were going bankrupt, they wouldn't give back 65%
[2016-08-11 05:43:04] rapidtrades : they are already bankrupt dude
[2016-08-11 05:43:07] zanza : they would cook the books or make up some story and take most deposits
[2016-08-11 05:43:12] rapidtrades : dude....
[2016-08-11 05:43:25] rapidtrades : i have 36% of my shit in tokens
[2016-08-11 05:43:30] rapidtrades : books are cooked
[2016-08-11 05:43:36] zanza : what, 1 btc?
[2016-08-11 05:43:45] rapidtrades : does it matter?
[2016-08-11 05:44:00] zanza : well, i think they will try to survive
[2016-08-11 05:44:01] rapidtrades : it's enough to spend some time and resources
[2016-08-11 05:44:15] zanza : even though I do not think they will be able to,
[2016-08-11 05:44:27] rapidtrades : zanza: we have to act fact i think
[2016-08-11 05:44:34] rapidtrades : we may only have 30 days
[2016-08-11 05:44:55] zanza : go for it
[2016-08-11 05:45:03] zanza : those guys belong in jail anyways
[2016-08-11 05:45:16] rapidtrades : i will check out bvi and hk bankruptcy laws today
[2016-08-11 05:45:18] zanza : some SEcond Ammendment folks might also do something
[2016-08-11 05:45:28] zanza : heaven forbid that would be terrible
[2016-08-11 05:45:31] rapidtrades : why did u capitalize SE
[2016-08-11 05:46:54] rapidtrades : u know the longer time goes on the more i realise lots of ppl in this space use libertarian ideology to scam others
[2016-08-11 05:47:02] rapidtrades : like that pos erik voorhees
[2016-08-11 05:50:00] germanjew : @bitmex, from your Fair Price Marking page "The Weighted Mid Price is be used to calculate the % Fair Basis", the "be" should be dropped
[2016-08-11 05:50:55] aethlios : get ready for zcash in septem.
[2016-08-11 05:51:12] germanjew : Oh wow! looking forward to that!
[2016-08-11 05:52:25] aethlios : germanjew: but because it starts from zero supply, maybe we have to wait 6 to 12 month for a fair price. 21 mill. coins, I don't pay more than 2 usd. long term project.
[2016-08-11 05:52:57] germanjew : Agreed @aethlios
[2016-08-11 05:55:27] aethlios : hype needs 6 months to go away, usually when a new hyped coin appears, lisk hype left already, etc appeared etc.
[2016-08-11 05:56:19] rapidtrades : Part II of the Insolvency Act provides for creditors' arrangements, whereby the creditors of an individual or a company may, by a 75% vote, approve an arrangement which may enable the company to continue trading. This is subject to the rights of the secured and preferred creditors
[2016-08-11 05:57:39] rapidtrades : they already violated the unfair preference clause
[2016-08-11 05:57:42] rapidtrades : Any transaction has the effect of putting the creditor into a position which, in the event of the individual becoming a bankrupt, will be better than the position he would have been in if the transaction had not been entered into
[2016-08-11 05:59:55] rapidtrades : also we may be able to get preferential creditor status > in some countries, tort victims: The rationale for tort victims is that they are perceived to be "involuntary" creditors of the bankrupt and thus should not be penalised by an insolvency in the same manner as parties who voluntarily became creditors of the bankrupt
[2016-08-11 06:02:36] REKT : Liquidated long on `FCTXBT`: Sell 1 @ 0.003916 :punch: :whale:
[2016-08-11 06:09:16] rapidtrades : Although both jurisdictions make provision for the liability of directors and officers who have been engaged in fraudulent trading, only the former provides for statutory liability of direc­tors engaged in insolvent trading; the directors of a BVI company may be liable to contribute to the assets available to the company's creditors if they have exacerbated the loss to creditors by contin­uing to trade improperly instead of putting the company into liquidation. In practice this difference is more theoretical than real, as claims based upon insolvent trading are rare in the BVI because of the logistical difficulties of bringing such claims
[2016-08-11 06:09:35] rapidtrades : the directors of a BVI company may be liable to contribute to the assets available to the company's creditors if they have exacerbated the loss to creditors by contin­uing to trade improperly instead of putting the company into liquidation
[2016-08-11 06:22:41] germanjew : can one query a bitmex index for a time range instead of e.g. just the last 200 items?
[2016-08-11 06:31:28] BitMEX_Jinming : germanjew: `https://www.bitmex.com/api/explorer/#!/Trade/Trade_get` you can specify start and end time
[2016-08-11 06:31:42] germanjew : perfect, thanks
[2016-08-11 06:32:00] BitMEX_Jinming : germanjew: you are welcome
[2016-08-11 06:50:21] germanjew : I feel silly for asking, but I can't find historic XBTUSD swap payouts, can someone point me in the right direction?
[2016-08-11 06:50:58] germanjew : or rather historical XBTUSD swap funding rates
[2016-08-11 06:53:17] Rado : germanjew: https://www.bitmex.com/app/fundingHistory
[2016-08-11 06:53:28] Rado : google is your friend
[2016-08-11 06:53:58] germanjew : thanks @Rado
[2016-08-11 06:53:59] Rado : https://www.google.ca/search?sourceid=chrome-psyapi2&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8&q=bitmex%20funding%20rate%20history&oq=bitmex%20funding%20rate%20history&rlz=1C5CHFA_enCA686CA686&aqs=chrome..69i57.7939j0j7
[2016-08-11 06:54:03] Rado : np
[2016-08-11 06:54:43] Rado : here is XBTUSD only
[2016-08-11 06:54:45] Rado : https://www.bitmex.com/app/index/.XBTUSDPI8H
[2016-08-11 06:55:44] Rado : well this is the premium
[2016-08-11 06:56:06] germanjew : The last link is only the premium right? Adding {"symbol":"XBTUSD"} into the funding history table gets me what I want
[2016-08-11 06:56:11] germanjew : ah, thanks
[2016-08-11 07:09:29] rapidtrades : who's interested in joining a lawsuit
[2016-08-11 07:09:48] rapidtrades : 2. has anyone tried emailing them requesting total funds like sleger
[2016-08-11 07:09:55] rapidtrades : that was 2.
[2016-08-11 07:27:08] germanjew : 1. Not currently, I'm still considering my options and giving bfx a while longer to respond properly. 2. I have not, here I'm also waiting a little longer before sending that email. From: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/4wmpzt/bitfinex_assets_remaining/ it does seem like they are including their assets (atleast in part) to ease the haircut
[2016-08-11 07:28:56] sleger : germanjew: you have nothing to gain from waiting in doing 2 though
[2016-08-11 07:29:01] sleger : and you lose time.
[2016-08-11 07:30:06] rapidtrades : agree...they may try to 'buy time' and fullfill early requests
[2016-08-11 07:30:37] rapidtrades : sleger: did u ask for a bank withdrawal or just to convert ur worthless tokens back to usd?
[2016-08-11 07:30:59] sleger : i asked for withdrawal of everything
[2016-08-11 07:31:31] rapidtrades : and u gave them ur bank account i assume
[2016-08-11 07:32:03] sleger : yes
[2016-08-11 07:32:19] rapidtrades : im not verified so requesting that will give them an easy delay
[2016-08-11 07:32:35] rapidtrades : but sire we have to verify thy first
[2016-08-11 07:32:54] sleger : then send whatever they need to verify someone in the same email
[2016-08-11 07:33:26] rapidtrades : unfortunately I don't have all the docs they need
[2016-08-11 07:33:44] rapidtrades : but i can prolly gather them in few days
[2016-08-11 07:34:01] rapidtrades : usually companies reqest 1 ID and 1 proof of address
[2016-08-11 07:34:28] rapidtrades : they need 4 different docs...
[2016-08-11 07:41:57] rapidtrades : sleger: do u think legally it matters whether u request or as bank wire or as credit back to ur account?
[2016-08-11 07:42:18] rapidtrades : or is it because u expect them to run out of bitcoins soon
[2016-08-11 07:45:12] rapidtrades : lol found this gem while looking through their TOS ' Segregated customer wallets are a form of Bitcoin storage that allow Bitfinex to store users' bitcoin in individual, multi-sig protected segregated wallets. By utilizing this system Bitfinex allows their users to independently verify their bitcoin on the Blockchain providing near-real-time proof-of-reserves.'
[2016-08-11 07:48:20] rapidtrades : btw doesn't this pair mean we can see out tokens ''The token has been issued to you without reduction of or other release or waiver of any claims you may have against the Bitfinex Group. Similarly, the Bitfinex Group has not waived any claims or defences it may have under the Terms of Use or otherwise should you choose to assert any claims independent of the token''
[2016-08-11 07:48:47] rapidtrades : doesn't this part mean we can sell our tokens without losing the right to sue ^^^
[2016-08-11 07:48:53] rapidtrades : it's from their terms
[2016-08-11 07:53:03] sleger : rapidtrades: that' what it says yes
[2016-08-11 07:53:43] sleger : but not everything one rights is applicable in a court of law, a court might decide that you selling them means you waive your rights to sue
[2016-08-11 07:54:16] sleger : *not everything one says
[2016-08-11 07:57:36] rapidtrades : but they're explicitly saying it doesn't waive ur rights
[2016-08-11 07:58:53] rapidtrades : 9 out of 10 lawyers agree with me
[2016-08-11 07:59:35] rapidtrades : i can't even find their kyc requirements...i search tos, support section
[2016-08-11 07:59:53] rapidtrades : i vaguely remember what they need but want to confirm
[2016-08-11 08:03:31] rapidtrades : guy back in fev2016: I was complaining with no reason. In fact Bitfinex support already contacted me and my issue is now solved! They were pretty fast to solve my issues. Now, my regard on their trust level has increased to absolute confidence!
[2016-08-11 08:03:46] rapidtrades : ABSOLUTE CONFIDENCE!
[2016-08-11 08:15:58] aethlios : finex highest volume in btcusd pair
[2016-08-11 08:18:39] Ugly_Old_Goat : Hey, the won't give me access.
[2016-08-11 08:19:00] Ugly_Old_Goat : Here is the message. Notice: Your account is currently restricted from withdrawing because your BitGo wallet is frozen and accurate accounting can not be determined for your balances.
[2016-08-11 08:19:53] Ugly_Old_Goat : Said to contact support but they have not gotten back to me
[2016-08-11 08:20:04] Ugly_Old_Goat : They are usually prompt with answers
[2016-08-11 08:20:17] Ugly_Old_Goat : Bitgo ignores me completely
[2016-08-11 08:21:25] Ugly_Old_Goat : The hack was definitely through Bitgo
[2016-08-11 08:21:39] rapidtrades : thaat sucks
[2016-08-11 08:21:56] rapidtrades : did u try messaging this cunt https://www.reddit.com/user/zanetackett
[2016-08-11 08:21:59] Ugly_Old_Goat : They cleaned out my account on bitgo and nothing shows at Biffinex
[2016-08-11 08:22:07] rapidtrades : cu.nt not kitten ofc
[2016-08-11 08:22:24] rapidtrades : wait a min
[2016-08-11 08:22:53] rapidtrades : so they're not reimbursing hacked wallets YET they're taking 36% from everyone
[2016-08-11 08:24:04] rapidtrades : Ugly_Old_Goat: was ur individual wallet hacked
[2016-08-11 08:24:54] rapidtrades : sleger: did u address their HK or BVI entity? also what laws did u cite hk or bvi
[2016-08-11 08:26:09] Ugly_Old_Goat : I sent a wire. The wire was converted to btc and btc hacked out. Never showed at Bitfinex
[2016-08-11 08:26:34] Ugly_Old_Goat : I converted wire to btc.
[2016-08-11 08:26:57] Ugly_Old_Goat : i send out to two withdrawals
[2016-08-11 08:27:11] Ugly_Old_Goat : Both verified and approved !!!!
[2016-08-11 08:27:29] Ugly_Old_Goat : Only after the shut down did I check Bitgo
[2016-08-11 08:27:29] rapidtrades : lol
[2016-08-11 08:28:07] Ugly_Old_Goat : Bitgo send out the btc before I was notified that the wire arrived!!!
[2016-08-11 08:28:30] rapidtrades : wow
[2016-08-11 08:28:34] Ugly_Old_Goat : I suspected nothing except slow day for BTC delivery
[2016-08-11 08:29:01] rapidtrades : what time was this
[2016-08-11 08:29:15] rapidtrades : aug2 hack day right
[2016-08-11 08:29:22] Ugly_Old_Goat : But the hack was in Bitgo and Bitgo activity was never reflected in Bitfines account
[2016-08-11 08:29:30] rapidtrades : woah
[2016-08-11 08:29:45] Ugly_Old_Goat : Thanks for the link. Looks like the hold is for USA accounts only
[2016-08-11 08:30:20] rapidtrades : are u US
[2016-08-11 08:37:36] rapidtrades : Ugly_Old_Goat: try posting about ur problem on reddit
[2016-08-11 08:47:47] rapidtrades : this hack and the way it was handled will do a lot of damage, could see plenty of ppl leaving crypto for good
[2016-08-11 08:52:54] habibi : rapidtrades: yea coz the way they handle it on gox = banckrupcy was freakin awsome and wasn't harmful at all as i understand that the second option
[2016-08-11 08:53:36] rapidtrades : habibi: yeah and what did we get afer gox?
[2016-08-11 08:53:43] rapidtrades : a multi-year bear market U DUMMY
[2016-08-11 08:54:20] habibi : that's my point u dummy unintelligent person that doesn't understand irony.
[2016-08-11 08:54:25] rapidtrades : good thing is trading may get easier as some players get flushed out
[2016-08-11 08:54:43] rapidtrades : habibi: HOW IS IT IRONIC WHEN IT COMPLETELY CONFIRMS MY POINT
[2016-08-11 08:55:03] habibi : u really think gox way of handling is less harmful for crypto eco system?
[2016-08-11 08:55:22] Ugly_Old_Goat : Actually they are handling it fairly well in my opinion
[2016-08-11 08:55:30] rapidtrades : WTF GOAT
[2016-08-11 08:55:34] rapidtrades : U JUST LOST ALL UR MONIES
[2016-08-11 08:55:42] Ugly_Old_Goat : An could come out on top if lessons are learned
[2016-08-11 08:55:42] habibi : finally someone who sees fair point
[2016-08-11 08:56:01] rapidtrades : rapidtrades: this hack and the way it was handled will do a lot of damage, could see plenty of ppl leaving crypto for good
[2016-08-11 08:56:07] rapidtrades : habibi: DUMMY
[2016-08-11 08:56:11] Ugly_Old_Goat : Well no the clipped me for the 30% plus
[2016-08-11 08:56:17] habibi : now u starting talking to urself, nice.
[2016-08-11 08:56:28] Ugly_Old_Goat : But the hack was in Bitgo