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[2016-08-07 14:48:32] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC7D`: Sell 190 @ 0.003610
[2016-08-07 14:48:37] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC7D`: Sell 589 @ 0.003588
[2016-08-07 14:48:52] Rado : looks like the new guy might get his 0.00355
[2016-08-07 14:49:37] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC7D`: Sell 46 @ 0.003560
[2016-08-07 14:49:44] HackedOnBFX : Rado: :)
[2016-08-07 14:50:32] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC7D`: Sell 200 @ 0.003506
[2016-08-07 14:50:52] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC7D`: Sell 12 @ 0.003477
[2016-08-07 14:50:52] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC7D`: Sell 500 @ 0.003486
[2016-08-07 14:50:52] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC7D`: Sell 989 @ 0.003458
[2016-08-07 15:17:07] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETC7D`: Buy 3000 @ 0.003869
[2016-08-07 15:17:07] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETC7D`: Buy 1000 @ 0.003851
[2016-08-07 15:17:22] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETC7D`: Buy 650 @ 0.003911
[2016-08-07 15:18:22] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC7D`: Sell 3000 @ 0.003826
[2016-08-07 15:20:58] HackedOnBFX : REKT: why am i seeing your trades?
[2016-08-07 15:21:14] Tetsuo : zanetackett: Site won't probably be up today 56 minutes ago
[2016-08-07 15:21:28] justinlooking : REKT is member's bot announcing liqs, leave him alone :P
[2016-08-07 15:22:21] HackedOnBFX : justinlooking: can I turn it off?
[2016-08-07 15:22:59] justinlooking : not easily
[2016-08-07 15:23:57] HackedOnBFX : justinlooking: so is that for everybodies orderS?
[2016-08-07 15:24:06] HackedOnBFX : or is that 1 guy?
[2016-08-07 15:24:27] Rado : everyone
[2016-08-07 15:24:30] Rado : this is not orders
[2016-08-07 15:24:36] Rado : only liquidations
[2016-08-07 15:24:57] HackedOnBFX : Rado: ooooooh
[2016-08-07 15:24:59] justinlooking : Rado, but they kind of are orders
[2016-08-07 15:25:00] HackedOnBFX : like forced liquidations
[2016-08-07 15:25:02] HackedOnBFX : ?
[2016-08-07 15:25:09] justinlooking : yes
[2016-08-07 15:25:17] HackedOnBFX : :(
[2016-08-07 15:25:46] HackedOnBFX : rule #!: don't get margin called
[2016-08-07 15:42:38] Zyzz : Rado: @³
[2016-08-07 15:46:08] daveberns1 : the BFX tokens sound interesting
[2016-08-07 15:46:30] daveberns1 : i give them props for potentially delivering an innovative solution
[2016-08-07 15:47:05] daveberns1 : as for the exchange, i never liked it and never used it after a trial a couple of years ago
[2016-08-07 15:47:30] daveberns1 : it felt cheap and not secure...
[2016-08-07 16:03:21] lockhedge : lawyer to FT about Bitfinex's plan to socialize losses: "would be theft" https://next.ft.com/content/c3b9f89c-5b18-11e6-9f70-badea1b336d4#axzz4Gb3ntjOL
[2016-08-07 16:03:58] habibi : could u pastebin article?
[2016-08-07 16:05:13] justinlooking : habibi, google that link, and click. it will let u thru
[2016-08-07 16:05:37] habibi : ty for tip, worked :)
[2016-08-07 16:09:34] justinlooking : habibi: np
[2016-08-07 16:09:41] justinlooking : smash xbt down to 585 and we'll call it even :P
[2016-08-07 16:28:30] Rado : justinlooking: I am short as well. 585 will be nice to close at
[2016-08-07 16:32:27] bernx : Rado: wow
[2016-08-07 16:32:33] bernx : Rado: how are you know this?
[2016-08-07 16:32:52] Rado : bernx: what?
[2016-08-07 16:32:59] bernx : Rado: about drop and 585
[2016-08-07 16:33:19] Rado : I don't know
[2016-08-07 16:33:43] Tetsuo : he smart
[2016-08-07 16:33:55] Rado : i shorted 597 because it was overbought and I think 600 is resistance
[2016-08-07 16:34:10] Rado : also news are still not good about Bitfinex
[2016-08-07 16:34:25] Rado : so I try to short when it goes up
[2016-08-07 16:35:10] Tetsuo : hopium bullish finex news are already priced in, from now on all news that come out from Finex will lead to another dump
[2016-08-07 16:35:56] Rado : Tetsuo: agreed
[2016-08-07 16:37:13] bernx : Rado: overbought at what timeframe?
[2016-08-07 16:37:38] justinlooking : for finex to announce what they have, they must have otc'd a bunch of btc for usd and eth already
[2016-08-07 16:39:09] bernx : Doesn't looks we go deeper then 3900
[2016-08-07 16:39:39] Rado : bernx: 15 min
[2016-08-07 16:46:16] Rado : Covered 589
[2016-08-07 16:46:22] Rado : probably early
[2016-08-07 16:48:12] Tetsuo : ETH might start a nice really when BTC starts dumpin hard again
[2016-08-07 16:48:23] Tetsuo : *rallye
[2016-08-07 16:49:20] VenCap : hey guys, is there a way to see the total count of active orders.
[2016-08-07 16:49:42] VenCap : EG: i have 6,000 contracts in my position, then i make ctive orders. but loose count
[2016-08-07 16:49:42] Tetsuo : click "active orders"
[2016-08-07 16:49:51] VenCap : there
[2016-08-07 16:50:13] VenCap : i can not see a total
[2016-08-07 16:51:01] VenCap : there must be a way to see the total. rather than add it up on calculator
[2016-08-07 16:51:18] Rado : VenCap: do you mean your open position
[2016-08-07 16:51:30] VenCap : no. i see the size/value there
[2016-08-07 16:51:41] VenCap : then i see limit orders. that appear in the Active Orders tab
[2016-08-07 16:51:47] VenCap : but it does not give total.
[2016-08-07 16:52:13] VenCap : i guess i just have to keep it simple.
[2016-08-07 16:52:26] Rado : Total as in amount of contracts?
[2016-08-07 16:52:44] VenCap : yes . in the active orders tab
[2016-08-07 16:52:45] Rado : yes, cancel them and enter one order :)
[2016-08-07 16:52:57] Rado : unless they are at different prices
[2016-08-07 16:53:04] VenCap : ah.. but i like to have them broken up. and not put one big order
[2016-08-07 16:53:13] VenCap : yes they are at different prices also
[2016-08-07 16:53:29] Rado : you need to use the API
[2016-08-07 16:53:33] VenCap : just odd it does not give total.
[2016-08-07 16:53:44] Rado : I am working on something like this
[2016-08-07 16:53:53] Rado : will share it when done
[2016-08-07 16:56:40] Rado : 584 now
[2016-08-07 16:56:49] Rado : nice
[2016-08-07 16:58:26] boxer : hello
[2016-08-07 16:58:53] boxer : is there an android app I can use to manage my account?
[2016-08-07 17:00:40] BTCDJS : boxer: don't think there's any mobile apps mate
[2016-08-07 17:02:57] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 500 @ 585.78
[2016-08-07 17:04:22] boxer : BTCDJS: thanks
[2016-08-07 17:06:52] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 500 @ 584.86
[2016-08-07 17:07:12] bernx : bounce
[2016-08-07 17:07:14] bernx : ?
[2016-08-07 17:07:42] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 3000 @ 583.84
[2016-08-07 17:07:43] Tetsuo : Bring on da REKTS!
[2016-08-07 17:10:45] bernx : wow just get 577 entry
[2016-08-07 17:11:10] Rado : bernx: be careful
[2016-08-07 17:11:29] Rado : it might dump hard
[2016-08-07 17:11:35] bernx : ye
[2016-08-07 17:13:28] Vince : I see the 24 hour BTC/Yen stuff but is there a way so I can place a leveraged long BTC and short Yen trade that can go on for months?
[2016-08-07 17:14:19] Vince : I am new to BitMex.
[2016-08-07 17:15:53] jan : Hi when I use leverage Can I buy more for the same value of BTC ?
[2016-08-07 17:16:09] bernx : yes
[2016-08-07 17:17:57] Tetsuo : "Bitbet hasn't payed out since Bitfinex hack. They are overdue more than 96h on latest resolved bet. They state payouts happen 24h after bets are resolved. They are still accepting bets. It could be due to other reasons, just a word of caution. "
[2016-08-07 17:18:45] Tetsuo : one by one we will take you
[2016-08-07 17:24:17] Tetsuo : Lulz from reddit pt.5567: "I hope in near future BFX will be 100% transparent"
[2016-08-07 17:30:07] bernx : Rado: bounce or down?
[2016-08-07 17:39:52] Tetsuo : sideways than down
[2016-08-07 17:43:36] rapidtrades : is noone suing
[2016-08-07 17:44:25] rapidtrades : guess we gotta wait for money right
[2016-08-07 17:45:20] rapidtrades : monday
[2016-08-07 17:49:43] bernx : rapidtrades: ?
[2016-08-07 17:51:17] rapidtrades : lawsuits coming bro
[2016-08-07 17:53:05] bernx : AHAHAHA
[2016-08-07 17:53:10] bernx : US CUSTOMERS DON'T HAVE HAIRCUT
[2016-08-07 17:53:11] bernx : AHAHAHAHA
[2016-08-07 17:53:21] rapidtrades : what....
[2016-08-07 17:53:32] bernx : https://www.reddit.com/r/BitcoinMarkets/comments/4w7wtx/bitfinex_employee_stated_that_all_usd_balances/d657s2b?context=3
[2016-08-07 17:54:23] rapidtrades : that's old
[2016-08-07 17:54:39] rapidtrades : he hasn't anaswered the new q
[2016-08-07 17:54:54] rapidtrades : but ppl would be pissed if ameros are walking without a cut
[2016-08-07 17:55:08] bernx : some guys get email from synapse
[2016-08-07 17:55:34] rapidtrades : proof
[2016-08-07 17:58:25] bernx : https://twitter.com/CryptoGambleh/status/762347096011702272
[2016-08-07 17:59:01] bernx : don't sure i get it right
[2016-08-07 18:01:11] wilhelm : LOL
[2016-08-07 18:03:24] bernx : So about what this info?
[2016-08-07 18:03:35] bernx : I don't get it right I think
[2016-08-07 18:03:41] bernx : English not primary
[2016-08-07 18:11:19] rapidtrades : well that sucks
[2016-08-07 18:11:30] rapidtrades : so we're taking the fall for the ameros
[2016-08-07 18:11:38] rapidtrades : that's just peachy
[2016-08-07 18:16:03] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC7D`: Sell 20 @ 0.003696
[2016-08-07 18:16:10] bernx : Looks like exit scam.
[2016-08-07 18:16:44] rapidtrades : it's not an exit scam....they want their cash cow to keep going
[2016-08-07 18:17:11] bernx : Nana, BFX exit scam. They haircut ton's of people
[2016-08-07 18:17:22] bernx : For what? USD most secure
[2016-08-07 18:17:33] bernx : Most of money was from US
[2016-08-07 18:17:59] rapidtrades : they will have major problems if they didn't factor this in
[2016-08-07 18:18:36] bernx : When you have above 300k BTC and other altcoins you can do anything
[2016-08-07 18:18:42] rapidtrades : sleger: are u suing
[2016-08-07 18:19:24] bernx : For example just go to Russia and say fuck to all world
[2016-08-07 18:20:43] rapidtrades : man they're still charging comish on the mt4
[2016-08-07 18:20:46] rapidtrades : wtf btce
[2016-08-07 18:23:26] rapidtrades : sentiment still very bearish across all futures
[2016-08-07 18:23:32] rapidtrades : prolly not gonna end well
[2016-08-07 18:28:19] bernx : Well if synapse reverse this haircut
[2016-08-07 18:28:27] bernx : Looks like there will be a much more haircut
[2016-08-07 18:35:15] Tetsuo : when i think of crypto i am so full of shame. Repuksion comes over me. i am so glad that i didn´t mention it to anyone for more than 2 years now. i might leave it forever and hop onto the next big promising ponzi train
[2016-08-07 18:35:38] Tetsuo : maybe i should just stop reading reddit
[2016-08-07 18:35:48] Tetsuo : get´s me misanthropic, even more than usual
[2016-08-07 18:37:52] bernx : http://i.imgur.com/93dVzA7.jpg
[2016-08-07 18:39:18] Tetsuo : where is okcoins usd deposit bank located? mozambique? ain´t it? lel
[2016-08-07 18:46:36] rapidtrades : bernx: that's not even funny
[2016-08-07 18:47:50] Tetsuo : Thoughts from bctt pt.2451: "I'm in this for the long term so risking 10 bitcoins for exclusive access to owning shares of BitFinex is fine with me."
[2016-08-07 18:48:09] rapidtrades : looool
[2016-08-07 18:48:19] rapidtrades : THEY'RE NOT EVEN GIVEN OUT SHARES
[2016-08-07 18:48:49] rapidtrades : they will ''possibly'' do it if you ask AND ''bitfinex agrees''
[2016-08-07 18:58:37] Tetsuo : " Andre P Gagnon Posted at 16:43h, 06 August Reply In all honesty we all knew the risks and appreciate everything http://www.Bitfinex.com has done for us! I would rather take BFX shares then 99% of the companies on the market anyway. Minor set back and I think you have and are doing the right thing! "
[2016-08-07 18:59:25] Tetsuo : "Alina Posted at 17:31h, 06 August Reply Are you shares trading on any stock market and how much company worth now? "
[2016-08-07 18:59:44] Tetsuo : I can´t take it anymore .... ROFL
[2016-08-07 19:21:15] bernx : If they don't lose any money and stillwill get shares this good for them
[2016-08-07 19:22:03] bruh : anyone shorting etc?
[2016-08-07 19:22:07] bruh : anyone else
[2016-08-07 19:22:08] bruh : with me
[2016-08-07 19:23:24] bernx : Na
[2016-08-07 19:23:30] justinlooking : yup
[2016-08-07 19:30:41] bruh : word
[2016-08-07 19:30:46] bruh : time to profit together @justinlooking
[2016-08-07 19:30:53] Tetsuo : I'm in
[2016-08-07 19:31:30] Tetsuo : Let's burn BTC to the ground!
[2016-08-07 19:33:24] justinlooking : etc derp
[2016-08-07 19:34:21] Tetsuo : ETC will Crash even more. I'm not sure what will happen to ETH. I put some money on a Pump
[2016-08-07 19:35:11] Tetsuo : ETC---> 0.0025 at least
[2016-08-07 19:41:29] bernx : BFX dump ETC
[2016-08-07 19:41:33] bernx : Soon it will happen to ETH
[2016-08-07 19:45:39] Tetsuo : With Bitfinex soon to be gone the chinks nwill get the complete power in BTC markets. And you can bet on it that those exchange owners will use it in whatever way it will be most profitable to them.
[2016-08-07 19:47:31] Tetsuo : can´t wait for the next big Huoib okc0in shennigans
[2016-08-07 19:48:57] Tetsuo : after Bitfinex the next drama to be played will probably be about the hardforking of BTC by chinese miners
[2016-08-07 19:49:19] Tetsuo : so much volatility about to come, wow.
[2016-08-07 19:50:11] Tetsuo : PS: BTC is not a joke! lel
[2016-08-07 20:06:20] men : why etc removed from bitmex?
[2016-08-07 20:06:51] men : no its only a bug
[2016-08-07 20:08:25] Tetsuo : you probably just got a glimpse of the future
[2016-08-07 20:08:44] justinlooking : haha
[2016-08-07 20:09:14] men : Tetsuo: lol
[2016-08-07 20:10:05] justinlooking : definitely a bug, it coincides with the funding time on swaps
[2016-08-07 20:10:50] justinlooking : sometimes some non-swap contracts don't come back
[2016-08-07 20:12:03] Tetsuo : does anyone have a link where i can see the total houbi orderbook, i know it exists
[2016-08-07 20:13:30] Tetsuo : got it
[2016-08-07 20:21:26] Tetsuo : https://twitter.com/SatoshiLite/status/760318293651566592
[2016-08-07 20:25:05] Tetsuo : "Roger Ver ‏@rogerkver Aug 6 Boston, MA That the combined market cap of ETH & ETC was greater after the fork means the market viewed it as a good thing. A lesson for Bitcoin? "
[2016-08-07 20:25:27] Tetsuo : i´m sorry , i´ll stop now, too drunk again, but still , lulz
[2016-08-07 20:52:32] BitMEX_Sam : That's in really bad taste
[2016-08-07 20:58:30] Rado : hey BitMEX_Sam
[2016-08-07 20:58:42] Rado : could you set the record straight
[2016-08-07 20:59:10] Rado : does BitMEX operate market maker bots?
[2016-08-07 21:02:35] Rado : BitMEX_Sam?
[2016-08-07 21:11:40] BitMEX_Wally : Rado: No we don't, but as an example of how to use the API we make a sample market maker bot available: https://github.com/BitMEX/market-maker
[2016-08-07 21:15:23] justinlooking : sam can u take a look at bug plz. seems to trigger on swap funding and settlement/rebalance. sometimes insturments diisappear from the instrment selector bar (reload brings them back)
[2016-08-07 21:16:28] Rado : thanks BitMEX_Wally
[2016-08-07 21:16:33] Rado : one more question
[2016-08-07 21:16:47] Tetsuo : Next excuse from Finex will probably be like:" We really tried everything to give you back as much as we can, but now badbad FIAT government and agencies are blocking us from doin it so; NOT OUR FAULT!"
[2016-08-07 21:16:53] justinlooking : oops, wally, sry
[2016-08-07 21:16:55] Rado : no MM has access to current orders in the system - correct?
[2016-08-07 21:17:15] BitMEX_Sam : justinlooking: Thanks I'll take a look at that
[2016-08-07 21:17:21] BitMEX_Sam : Rado: No, no MM has access to internal data
[2016-08-07 21:17:26] BitMEX_Sam : They use the same API as everyone else
[2016-08-07 21:17:49] Tetsuo : If Finex would really working international agencies as they claim to do, they wouldn´t announce to op en in the next days, just sayin
[2016-08-07 21:19:13] Tetsuo : No government agency would ays"Hey we are helpin you to find the thief but in the meanwhile you can continue with your crimanal socialzed losses plan, no problem"
[2016-08-07 21:19:36] bernx : BitMEX_Sam: testnet have same accout data?
[2016-08-07 21:19:52] BitMEX_Sam : bernx: No, you have to create another account for Testnet
[2016-08-07 21:23:18] justinlooking : btc moon plz
[2016-08-07 21:29:00] Rado : Thanks BitMEX_Sam
[2016-08-07 21:37:03] bernx : Looks like BFX have only 123k BTC
[2016-08-07 21:38:47] bernx : https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/4wk3g0/bitfinex_and_the_police_where_are_they/d686tn4?context=3&st=irl4psmz&sh=0479e0c2
[2016-08-07 21:44:43] Rado : bernx: what does that mean?
[2016-08-07 21:44:46] Rado : 123k BTC
[2016-08-07 21:44:54] Rado : how many did they have before?
[2016-08-07 21:45:07] bernx : noone know
[2016-08-07 21:46:00] bernx : https://twitter.com/MAbtc/status/762397870376886272
[2016-08-07 21:49:25] Tetsuo : so they are either lying about working with the FBI or they are lying about opening withdrawls and making socialized losses in the next days, choose your favourite
[2016-08-07 22:09:26] bruh : go goe tc die
[2016-08-07 22:11:22] ixess : you short too?
[2016-08-07 22:15:36] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC7D`: Sell 1500 @ 0.003576
[2016-08-07 22:23:09] JH : so when is everyone opening their XBT shorts? 596?
[2016-08-07 23:24:49] bruh : anyone else profiting on their etc shorts?
[2016-08-08 00:18:06] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC7D`: Sell 14500 @ 0.003456
[2016-08-08 00:19:32] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC7D`: Sell 1300 @ 0.003417
[2016-08-08 00:19:32] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC7D`: Sell 300 @ 0.003436
[2016-08-08 00:19:36] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC7D`: Sell 3400 @ 0.003385
[2016-08-08 00:25:51] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC7D`: Sell 168 @ 0.003349
[2016-08-08 00:26:32] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC7D`: Sell 1 @ 0.003345 :punch: :whale:
[2016-08-08 00:32:06] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC7D`: Sell 600 @ 0.003328
[2016-08-08 00:34:07] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC7D`: Sell 1506 @ 0.003230
[2016-08-08 00:35:05] rapidtrades : i lost 38% now 36% like they claim
[2016-08-08 00:35:17] rapidtrades : not*
[2016-08-08 00:40:07] rapidtrades : BitGo reports are temporarily disabled.
[2016-08-08 00:40:25] rapidtrades : so they're not letting us see if our individual wallets were hacked
[2016-08-08 00:40:54] Tetsuo : Well i hope that deposits will be enabled soon!
[2016-08-08 00:41:31] Tetsuo : Other than that business as usual :"Hi Zane, You mentioned (more than once) that deposits after the theft wouldn't be included in the losses? When did that change? And you've also taken funds from withdrawals completed (but cancelled by you after-the-fact) before the theft. This is unacceptable, obviously. What's the appeals procedure? Edit: and you didn't even credit all my deposits? Wtf?? "
[2016-08-08 00:42:06] cenkzu : they told me they will manually review these deposits
[2016-08-08 00:46:55] zanza : willybot left I guess
[2016-08-08 00:54:53] rapidtrades : man this is depressing
[2016-08-08 00:55:22] rapidtrades : i was 90% usd when hack happpened
[2016-08-08 00:55:39] mjmj83 : How much did you loose rapid?
[2016-08-08 00:58:03] Rado : rapidtrades: I just login as well
[2016-08-08 00:58:21] Rado : from both my exchange and my margin wallet things got trimmed
[2016-08-08 00:58:27] Rado : and there are BFX tokens
[2016-08-08 00:59:13] rapidtrades : yeah joke
[2016-08-08 00:59:59] Rado : I haven't calculated exactly, but it looks like more than 36%
[2016-08-08 01:00:20] Rado : I had a little more than 17 BTC
[2016-08-08 01:00:48] Rado : now I have 10.5 and 0.75 in both wallets
[2016-08-08 01:01:16] Rado : I guess it works out
[2016-08-08 01:01:33] Rado : 6 BTC loss
[2016-08-08 01:01:43] Rado : more or less
[2016-08-08 01:11:10] rapidtrades : save all reports
[2016-08-08 01:13:49] Rado : rapidtrades: which reports?
[2016-08-08 01:14:33] Rado : I see
[2016-08-08 01:14:36] Rado : under reports
[2016-08-08 01:14:41] Rado : I can save them in CSV
[2016-08-08 01:15:58] rapidtrades : right...use all history
[2016-08-08 01:21:47] rapidtrades : when will trading resume
[2016-08-08 01:21:51] rapidtrades : a: We're shooting for a few days, we'll see how things play out
[2016-08-08 01:21:59] rapidtrades : (how many lawsuits we get)
[2016-08-08 01:24:20] Mm bot : Where to buy BFX tokens?
[2016-08-08 01:25:16] rapidtrades : f off
[2016-08-08 01:26:01] rapidtrades : ask ur mother she f*cks for free
[2016-08-08 01:31:06] Rado : rapidtrades: is 1 BFX token = 1 USD
[2016-08-08 01:32:25] rapidtrades : https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/4wnidw/bitfinex_itself_will_not_be_contributing_to_help/
[2016-08-08 01:34:13] willybot : BitMEX_Sam: Are you saying Bitmex dont operate MM bots on site?
[2016-08-08 01:35:00] BitMEX_Arthur : willybot: No we do not
[2016-08-08 01:35:28] willybot : BitMEX_Arthur: So nobody involved in the site does?
[2016-08-08 01:35:38] willybot : Your lying to us Arthur.
[2016-08-08 01:37:19] willybot : By the end of next week nobody will touch this exchange.
[2016-08-08 01:40:59] willybot : Theres a 10btc bounty for internal information relating to the operations of this site. Head over to https://bitflikz.com/ to collect.
[2016-08-08 01:41:23] rapidtrades : BitMEX_Arthur: what do u think about the way bitfinex is handling this
[2016-08-08 01:43:21] BitMEX_Arthur : rapidtrades: I don't know what their lawyers are telling them, at this point it's about covering their ass legally
[2016-08-08 01:45:54] rapidtrades : if covering their ass was the goal....surely they wouldn't push for a restart under this circumstances?
[2016-08-08 01:47:17] BitMEX_Sam : Gotta keep the money printer running
[2016-08-08 01:48:02] BitMEX_Arthur : rapidtrades: well this outcome is better than outright bankruptcy
[2016-08-08 01:48:11] BitMEX_Arthur : because no one will get anything for at least 5 years if that happened
[2016-08-08 01:48:14] BitMEX_Arthur : and after legal fees
[2016-08-08 01:48:18] BitMEX_Arthur : it would be way less
[2016-08-08 01:48:31] rapidtrades : you don't know that
[2016-08-08 01:48:37] BitMEX_Arthur : look at mtgox
[2016-08-08 01:48:41] BitMEX_Arthur : recovery value who knows
[2016-08-08 01:48:45] BitMEX_Arthur : but the time it takes
[2016-08-08 01:48:47] BitMEX_Arthur : years
[2016-08-08 01:48:52] rapidtrades : worth it
[2016-08-08 01:49:13] rapidtrades : 36% is better then most of these losers make
[2016-08-08 01:49:17] habibi : if u make stupid 10% per year by trading ur account crypto, its still worth it.
[2016-08-08 01:49:25] BitMEX_Arthur : yeah but that's very few people
[2016-08-08 01:49:41] BitMEX_Sam : It's still grossly unjust regardless
[2016-08-08 01:49:47] habibi : and obviously u would get way less money than u getting now after all costs
[2016-08-08 01:49:59] BitMEX_Sam : I agree that this is probably the best case for creditors but it's insane that there's essentially no consequence for the operators
[2016-08-08 01:50:11] rapidtrades : pretty sure im gonna join a class action to stop this
[2016-08-08 01:51:26] Rado : as soon as they allow withdrawals it's all over rapidtrades
[2016-08-08 01:51:33] Rado : I will pull my BTC
[2016-08-08 01:51:36] habibi : and end up with nothing as exchange will be closed then, so far u have at least additional shitcoin, maybe they will find investors at the end. very unposible but maybe
[2016-08-08 01:51:38] rapidtrades : if i don't sue smone else will so it's a moot point
[2016-08-08 01:51:44] rapidtrades : plan is not getting off this ground
[2016-08-08 01:52:27] Rado : if they list BFX tokens on Polo it will be fun
[2016-08-08 01:52:40] Rado : fomo people always want to trade shitty coins
[2016-08-08 01:53:25] rapidtrades : i'm telling you, nothing will come out of this plan
[2016-08-08 01:53:38] rapidtrades : they can't just steal everyone's USD
[2016-08-08 01:54:23] rapidtrades : they have 100,000s customers and it only takes 1 lawsuit to stop this
[2016-08-08 01:54:57] rapidtrades : bankrupt them and let coinbase or whoever pick up the pieces
[2016-08-08 01:55:25] rapidtrades : then we can at least have a chance of making that haircut back
[2016-08-08 01:55:26] Rado : rapidtrades: how do you secure the funds that are still there?
[2016-08-08 01:55:39] Rado : 64% of peoples money are still there
[2016-08-08 01:55:44] Rado : I want them out of there
[2016-08-08 01:55:58] rapidtrades : i don't see how
[2016-08-08 01:56:21] Rado : maybe they will allow withdrawal before there is any law suit
[2016-08-08 01:56:27] rapidtrades : im still discount my stuff at 50%...expecting not to see it for long time
[2016-08-08 01:56:57] rapidtrades : they can't allow withdrawals once they get that cease and desist letter
[2016-08-08 01:57:30] rapidtrades : if they do, they could go to jail
[2016-08-08 01:58:46] Rado : do you think they have suck letters already?
[2016-08-08 01:58:53] Rado : such
[2016-08-08 01:59:16] rapidtrades : they will after today
[2016-08-08 01:59:23] Rado : by the way if you enter into any suit let me know
[2016-08-08 01:59:29] Rado : so I can join
[2016-08-08 01:59:56] rapidtrades : i will
[2016-08-08 02:01:00] rapidtrades : i'm not doing it on my own unless they start dispensing funds and i can't get out...but i will join whatever suit pops up
[2016-08-08 02:01:16] Rado : right
[2016-08-08 02:02:54] rapidtrades : 1. get out 2. sue
[2016-08-08 02:03:31] Rado : yep
[2016-08-08 02:03:37] Rado : that will be the best for us
[2016-08-08 02:04:08] habibi : rapidtrades: imagine court saying they did it wrong way, there need to be done liquidation of company and all users need to return all the assets they withdraw after hack
[2016-08-08 02:04:18] ggwp : poor guys
[2016-08-08 02:04:28] ggwp : used bfx
[2016-08-08 02:04:31] Rado : habibi: court can't do that
[2016-08-08 02:04:32] ggwp : now even poorer
[2016-08-08 02:04:43] Rado : how are they going to force users from different countries to return money
[2016-08-08 02:04:53] rapidtrades : they can't
[2016-08-08 02:05:13] rapidtrades : that's why the second the first $$ goes out, they will be hit with that lawsuit
[2016-08-08 02:05:33] Rado : yep
[2016-08-08 02:05:42] zanza : willybot: you claim to be trading here for a month, but still dont understand how Fair Price works on a 7 day contract :)
[2016-08-08 02:06:04] zanza : and get all butthurt that you got liquidated on ETC
[2016-08-08 02:06:22] ggwp : pfff
[2016-08-08 02:06:27] zanza : claiming MM conspiracy
[2016-08-08 02:06:37] ggwp : hah!
[2016-08-08 02:06:45] zanza : like its their job to give you whatever fill price you want 24 hours a day
[2016-08-08 02:07:25] ggwp : MM=Mass MEdia?
[2016-08-08 02:07:58] zanza : he was upset the Market Maker pulled bids during a ETC drop yesterday
[2016-08-08 02:08:16] zanza : and apparently now he is swearing to get revenge
[2016-08-08 02:08:57] micmix : MMs will pull bids during sudden drop, or at least move them much farther down. it's completely normal.
[2016-08-08 02:09:30] zanza : obviously willybot thinks its his right that the MM gives whatever order price he wants always
[2016-08-08 02:09:52] micmix : no MM wants to get into large long during big drop
[2016-08-08 02:10:30] zanza : especially on a long date future
[2016-08-08 02:11:19] micmix : plus there is only one MM on ETC, so if willybot had large position, MM had a large position in opposite direction. so of course MM 'knew' about willybot's large position
[2016-08-08 02:11:45] willybot : You goons. Bitmex operate the MM and and withdrew bids after opening a large position on the 5th. Even during the 50s rise there was no exit
[2016-08-08 02:12:12] zanza : even if they did run a MM, it would be perfectly OK for them to do that
[2016-08-08 02:12:26] willybot : You think that spread was a coincidence?
[2016-08-08 02:12:36] willybot : zanza: Your deluded.
[2016-08-08 02:12:47] zanza : Long dated futures dont trade a spot
[2016-08-08 02:12:52] rapidtrades : willybot: maybe it wasn't but that only shows the MM f*Cked u
[2016-08-08 02:13:02] zanza : he thinks bitmex runs the MM rapidtrades
[2016-08-08 02:13:11] willybot : I know for a fact Bitmex operate the MM here
[2016-08-08 02:13:15] rapidtrades : he hasn't provided proof
[2016-08-08 02:13:31] willybot : there will be enough by next week
[2016-08-08 02:13:40] zanza : ROFL
[2016-08-08 02:13:42] zanza : so sour kid
[2016-08-08 02:13:52] willybot : this scamming exchange and their names go down with this shit hole
[2016-08-08 02:13:58] rapidtrades : apparently after bitfinex and okc trading on ur own exchange is not big deal
[2016-08-08 02:14:21] willybot : lets just see what the crypto community think of this
[2016-08-08 02:14:24] zanza : the only thing BitMEX guarantees, is settlement on the future expiry which is on Friday August 12 will be closedo n spot
[2016-08-08 02:14:25] rapidtrades : bar set pretty in this regard here :)
[2016-08-08 02:14:58] zanza : even if you wanted to run a malicious MM you are more than welcome to
[2016-08-08 02:15:08] zanza : honestly its probably not worth it
[2016-08-08 02:15:14] rapidtrades : they're not showing our bitgo adreses so we can see if we were hacked
[2016-08-08 02:15:15] willybot : it wont really matter. Arthurs dreams of Mr Goldman Sachs in Bitcoin will be a lol of the past
[2016-08-08 02:15:30] zanza : more like, your dream of getting rich on10x ETC will be in the past
[2016-08-08 02:15:41] zanza : ETC literalyl has 60% swings in hours time
[2016-08-08 02:15:50] zanza : and you go 10x leverage and get stopped
[2016-08-08 02:16:06] willybot : zanza: I got that on polo at 0.0006 Im comfortable
[2016-08-08 02:16:20] willybot : I sent some scraps to test this exchange
[2016-08-08 02:16:26] zanza : well good, you should just learn the system
[2016-08-08 02:16:45] zanza : 7 day ETC 10x leverage is not going to trade identically to Polo spot
[2016-08-08 02:16:50] willybot : This is principal
[2016-08-08 02:16:59] zanza : and you need to manage your margin to account for that
[2016-08-08 02:17:23] willybot : zanza: I have been trading crypto for years but thanks dad
[2016-08-08 02:17:48] zanza : you got stopped at .036 yesterday I remember, today you would have been stopped anyways
[2016-08-08 02:17:51] micmix : I don't know who runs the main MM here but MMs have to protect their positions on order to make money. You have to account for that when trading a contract like ETC with only one MM
[2016-08-08 02:17:55] willybot : Arthur will need to answer some tough questions.
[2016-08-08 02:18:00] zanza : becasue it dropped to .033
[2016-08-08 02:18:01] micmix : *in order
[2016-08-08 02:18:39] zanza : MM only goal is to make money. Now, willybot if you are saying that Bitmex runs a MM bot, and they have customer information they can profit off and change the market
[2016-08-08 02:18:39] micmix : and be prepared to hold to expiry, same for XBTU16
[2016-08-08 02:18:46] willybot : I doesnt really matter. Once an article goes on this exchange the rep is damaged
[2016-08-08 02:19:14] zanza : Fair Market Pricing makes it so MM manipulation CAN"T happen
[2016-08-08 02:19:18] willybot : every time you google bitmex or arthur haynes the word "scam" will tag along with it
[2016-08-08 02:19:34] zanza : you are trying to blackmail to get your money back or something but
[2016-08-08 02:19:48] zanza : honestly you would be much better off, just learning
[2016-08-08 02:19:53] zanza : lower your leverage
[2016-08-08 02:20:16] willybot : Unfortunately the community deserve to know what goes on here
[2016-08-08 02:20:20] zanza : Things trade a little differently here than compared to BitFinex for example
[2016-08-08 02:20:37] zanza : even if BitMex runs a liquidity bot, I dont' think that would be a bad thing
[2016-08-08 02:20:41] willybot : zanza: They should disclose the fact they run the bots
[2016-08-08 02:21:00] willybot : zanza: lucky your opinion wont matter on this then
[2016-08-08 02:21:00] zanza : ok, lets say then run a bot
[2016-08-08 02:21:32] zanza : this will help liquidity and people should like it
[2016-08-08 02:21:55] zanza : right now ETC is trading at about 6% off spot
[2016-08-08 02:22:34] willybot : zanza: until they manipulate the price and books at their benefit with inside position knwoledge
[2016-08-08 02:23:22] zanza : liquidation positions goes to insurance fund, so still there would be no real reason
[2016-08-08 02:23:45] zanza : https://www.bitmex.com/app/insuranceFund
[2016-08-08 02:23:48] willybot : zanza: lmao. And who audits the insurance fund or you just trust them?
[2016-08-08 02:24:42] willybot : What do they think happens if a US customer comes and has a play only to discover their scam?
[2016-08-08 02:25:12] willybot : Sorry boys, Seychelles and Hong kong arent fantasy lands
[2016-08-08 02:25:38] zanza : like you said, you were just trading for peanuts here. You really think they are going to break out their big manipulation tools for a small fish like you ?
[2016-08-08 02:26:06] willybot : zanza: When its 10+ BTC profit at their loss. I sure do
[2016-08-08 02:26:48] willybot : There are only a handful of traders here. When someone comes and takes 10btc of their bankroll they dont like it
[2016-08-08 02:26:54] zanza : I feel like you are just inexperience with highly leveraged futures. OKCoin would have the same thing, only WORSe since they use cascading margin calls
[2016-08-08 02:27:02] zanza : woodchipper = OK-coin
[2016-08-08 02:27:13] willybot : zanza: I have traded on okcoin for a few years now
[2016-08-08 02:27:24] zanza : they have huge price swings
[2016-08-08 02:27:36] willybot : your talking like im new to this
[2016-08-08 02:27:36] zanza : and bots wiping out stops
[2016-08-08 02:28:35] zanza : you should of setup a liquidation trailing stop
[2016-08-08 02:28:48] zanza : since its not cascading, its guaranteed to fill at that price
[2016-08-08 02:29:05] zanza : or, reduced your leverage
[2016-08-08 02:29:29] zanza : there is a reason I don't think any other place trades 10x leverage ETC
[2016-08-08 02:29:38] zanza : becasue its batshit insane
[2016-08-08 02:30:04] zanza : but there were tools you could have guarded yourself with
[2016-08-08 02:30:37] zanza : also , the difference in price ysterday
[2016-08-08 02:30:46] zanza : I think Polo spot hit .039, and it hit .036 here
[2016-08-08 02:30:59] zanza : its like 7% difference, not unheard of for future
[2016-08-08 02:31:04] willybot : zanza: What dont you undersand? Bitmex run the MM bot and pulled bids with my 16k long so I coud not exit, even on the 50s pumos
[2016-08-08 02:31:42] zanza : total open interest on ETC is 150k now
[2016-08-08 02:31:53] zanza : so you were like 10%
[2016-08-08 02:32:16] willybot : zanza: lmao, whos 150k do you thin that is?
[2016-08-08 02:32:26] zanza : maybe MM or other traders
[2016-08-08 02:32:40] willybot : they trade against themselves to wash volume
[2016-08-08 02:33:00] zanza : even if so
[2016-08-08 02:33:13] zanza : you could have set a liq price which acts as a stop
[2016-08-08 02:33:25] zanza : which is better than OKC, since it activated fully at the set price
[2016-08-08 02:33:36] willybot : zanza: ok Im convinced your one of the other two scamming founders
[2016-08-08 02:33:44] zanza : instead of possibly being much worse and cascading down
[2016-08-08 02:33:51] zanza : i dont work here :) been here for 1 year tho
[2016-08-08 02:33:57] ggwp : top kek
[2016-08-08 02:34:12] ggwp : zenza is skem
[2016-08-08 02:34:52] habibi : zanza give me my two btcs u scammy scambag
[2016-08-08 02:34:59] habibi : or it was 20? :p
[2016-08-08 02:35:19] zanza : thanks habibi though it was a gift?
[2016-08-08 02:35:44] ggwp : 200 bertcoins fer mee pleeze
[2016-08-08 02:35:46] zanza : but willybot play around on testnet with the liquidation and changing margin %
[2016-08-08 02:35:48] habibi : it was, but by then i thought u honest guy, not scammy scammer
[2016-08-08 02:36:13] micmix : habibi: sorry to see your ROE drop below 400%
[2016-08-08 02:36:23] zanza : yeah we all know habibi is super rich
[2016-08-08 02:36:29] zanza : $$$
[2016-08-08 02:36:45] habibi : micmix: hehe :)
[2016-08-08 02:37:25] micmix : still, top 20 notional is not that bad ;-)
[2016-08-08 02:37:31] habibi : anyway i think it was stupid to change it to 7d, one insider playing here ruining whole market on classic
[2016-08-08 02:37:49] zanza : you think they should have perpetual ETC?
[2016-08-08 02:38:16] habibi : nope, daily
[2016-08-08 02:38:50] willybot : habibi: They cant abuse the system as well with daily
[2016-08-08 02:39:12] micmix : daily and quanto to make us super-rich ;-)
[2016-08-08 02:39:16] zanza : daily means, you have to pay fees everyday if you want to stay in ETC
[2016-08-08 02:39:26] zanza : Weekly means you only have to pay fees 1nce per week
[2016-08-08 02:39:49] habibi : zanza who cares if market is totally not moving coz one shorter takes most of open short interest
[2016-08-08 02:39:55] habibi : and wants more
[2016-08-08 02:40:14] zanza : so you mean like right now its -5% premium
[2016-08-08 02:40:21] habibi : fees are none compared to lack of movement compared to spot
[2016-08-08 02:40:35] habibi : like most of time?
[2016-08-08 02:41:02] zanza : you can profit off negative premium if you feel like its undervalued
[2016-08-08 02:41:15] zanza : buying ETC for 7% discount
[2016-08-08 02:41:30] habibi : ah thank u for great advice :)
[2016-08-08 02:41:35] zanza : ROFL
[2016-08-08 02:41:53] zanza : well you seem to be upset 1 big shorter on ETC lower price
[2016-08-08 02:42:12] habibi : eh u really dont get it :D?
[2016-08-08 02:42:48] zanza : you want more liquidity?
[2016-08-08 02:42:55] willybot : now where shorts want to cover, Bitmex removes the asks
[2016-08-08 02:43:42] habibi : i want futures moving at all ? with liquidity yes. u see any of these two on etc?
[2016-08-08 02:44:26] zanza : it was .031 a few hours ago
[2016-08-08 02:45:12] zanza : spread seems ok on ETC now
[2016-08-08 02:45:28] habibi : did i mention sth about the spread?
[2016-08-08 02:45:53] zanza : why dont you buy it then ?
[2016-08-08 02:45:58] habibi : already did?
[2016-08-08 02:46:23] zanza : all Bitmex guarantees is settlement on spot price August 12
[2016-08-08 02:46:46] habibi : thats why i said it would be much more playable market if it would settle every 24h
[2016-08-08 02:46:52] habibi : now its shit
[2016-08-08 02:46:59] habibi : eot zanza :)
[2016-08-08 02:47:38] willybot : zanza: Im convinced your one of the 33
[2016-08-08 02:47:51] zanza : 33?
[2016-08-08 02:48:16] willybot : zanza: 3
[2016-08-08 02:49:06] zanza : the real criticism for BitMEx, you can ask Sleger
[2016-08-08 02:49:24] habibi : is he still having funds here?
[2016-08-08 02:49:35] zanza : but, DPE doesn't happen very much. habibi I don't know, maybe he switched names
[2016-08-08 02:49:37] willybot : zanza: long story short?
[2016-08-08 02:49:40] zanza : I hope he didn't go all in at Bitfinex
[2016-08-08 02:50:03] zanza : willybot: sleger was big player here, before Bitmex released the perpetual contract
[2016-08-08 02:50:26] zanza : they released it, and it wasn't tracking spot well so they had to quickly change the terms to charge funding 3x per day (instead of 1)
[2016-08-08 02:51:00] zanza : and apparently sleger lost money on this, and then stopped traiding here because he thought it was wrong how they changed the terms quickly
[2016-08-08 02:51:05] willybot : ROFL Arthur trying to raise 2 m USD
[2016-08-08 02:51:13] zanza : link?
[2016-08-08 02:53:05] zanza : This site is basically complete now, and is profitable I don't see why they would want to raise capital
[2016-08-08 02:53:14] zanza : other than to cash out
[2016-08-08 02:54:10] habibi : zanza: maybe he read crypto digest trader
[2016-08-08 02:55:06] willybot : trying to expand into china
[2016-08-08 03:04:33] zanza : ETC climbing
[2016-08-08 03:04:53] ggwp : willybot: uhhh sauce?