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[2016-08-04 07:11:18] micmix : I see, so basically Bitfinex outsourced customers' wallet management to BitGo but still kept full control over the wallets. One could argue that the content of the wallets were still owned and controlled by Bitfinex.
[2016-08-04 07:12:43] micmix : Lawyers will make a lot of money arguing that case
[2016-08-04 07:14:14] lockhedge : i fear most of the money left will be spent on lawyers and block chain analytics companies
[2016-08-04 07:17:24] micmix : I think our only chance to see the money is for hacker to do something stupid and get caught.
[2016-08-04 07:22:17] rapidtrades : our only chance? did ur wallet get haxxed
[2016-08-04 07:25:13] micmix : rapidtrades: btc deposit address shows zero balance, so most likely btc is gone. usd should be there but if finex declares bankruptcy no one will see their money for quite some time
[2016-08-04 07:29:02] rapidtrades : that sucks man
[2016-08-04 07:29:38] rapidtrades : the only addresses i have show no movement but there's plenty others in ''my wallet''
[2016-08-04 07:29:49] rapidtrades : what a joke of a system
[2016-08-04 07:30:03] rapidtrades : i assumed like everyone that theey kept most in cold storage
[2016-08-04 07:31:24] rapidtrades : i had waaaay too much on there....left okc earlier this year and finex took up the slack
[2016-08-04 07:31:50] rapidtrades : should've spread it out on some of the chinese futures instead
[2016-08-04 07:32:21] jung1 : I had there like 0.5btc
[2016-08-04 07:32:56] rapidtrades : if the 120k number is correct isn't that only 5-10% of their coins?
[2016-08-04 07:33:07] rapidtrades : where are ppl getting this idea that they lost most of it
[2016-08-04 07:33:56] rapidtrades : stamp hack last year was 12% they lost around 20k?
[2016-08-04 07:34:12] rapidtrades : finex is much larger exchange
[2016-08-04 07:35:23] micmix : I doubt they had anywhere near 1m of customer coins. Their volume was 4m from the beginning of the year, so they had maybe 400k coins
[2016-08-04 07:35:48] rapidtrades : a lot of ppl prolly treated it like a bank
[2016-08-04 07:35:53] habibi : around 250k micmix
[2016-08-04 07:35:55] rapidtrades : i know i thought it was safe
[2016-08-04 07:36:01] micmix : yeah
[2016-08-04 07:36:05] rapidtrades : habibi: YOU DON'T KNOW THAT
[2016-08-04 07:36:08] rapidtrades : hajibi
[2016-08-04 07:36:39] rapidtrades : the only chart i saw showed the addresses drop by 6%
[2016-08-04 07:36:48] habibi : how u know 5-10% of total coins then ? its deff far from speculation from the right number
[2016-08-04 07:37:08] jung1 : couse not every account had 2f authorisation
[2016-08-04 07:37:14] bernx : Someone gift yesterday 1k btc on reddit to random guy
[2016-08-04 07:37:39] jung1 : only those account are affected
[2016-08-04 07:38:02] habibi : jung1: false
[2016-08-04 07:38:40] rapidtrades : habibi: from that reddit post with accounts
[2016-08-04 07:38:44] rapidtrades : trying to find it
[2016-08-04 07:38:57] rapidtrades : not sure it's all bitgo addresses tho or just finex
[2016-08-04 07:39:17] habibi : u mean multi sig addresses
[2016-08-04 07:39:19] micmix : do you mean this: http://p2sh.info/dashboard/db/p2sh-statistics
[2016-08-04 07:39:20] habibi : not only finex use them
[2016-08-04 07:39:24] rapidtrades : micmix: yes
[2016-08-04 07:39:27] rapidtrades : tnx
[2016-08-04 07:39:39] rapidtrades : what does that tell u?
[2016-08-04 07:39:41] micmix : it shows all multisig wallets, not only finex
[2016-08-04 07:39:56] rapidtrades : like in all of bitcoinland?
[2016-08-04 07:40:38] micmix : yes, all of bitcoinland. and most companies keep large amount of bitcoin in multisig wallets
[2016-08-04 07:41:22] rapidtrades : well great
[2016-08-04 07:41:54] rapidtrades : then we shouldn't be trading this high
[2016-08-04 07:43:17] micmix : well I'm off, hope finex will allow us to login tomorrow and see balances, this suspense is killing me
[2016-08-04 07:43:28] rapidtrades : that's today
[2016-08-04 07:44:24] rapidtrades : coinbase still going wild at 583
[2016-08-04 07:44:30] micmix : well I'm going to bed, so tomorrow for me
[2016-08-04 07:44:40] rapidtrades : cool take care man
[2016-08-04 07:45:22] lockhedge : micmix: good night
[2016-08-04 07:46:34] rapidtrades : lockhedge: how about u? got hit?
[2016-08-04 07:47:37] lockhedge : no, stopped using finex about 1 year ago
[2016-08-04 07:47:47] rapidtrades : wise choice
[2016-08-04 07:48:06] rapidtrades : anyone used bitvc?
[2016-08-04 07:48:26] lockhedge : they had about $40m active USD loans, does that mean this amount is still there on their bank accounts?
[2016-08-04 07:48:44] jung1 : rapidtrades: whats this?
[2016-08-04 07:48:56] rapidtrades : what's what
[2016-08-04 07:49:08] jung1 : bitvc
[2016-08-04 07:49:22] rapidtrades : lockhedge: they said some of those loans could be compromised because they were used to buy BTC which was then stolen
[2016-08-04 07:50:05] rapidtrades : so they will make lenders pay for some of the losses
[2016-08-04 07:51:27] habibi : u dont know that at the end, i guess they dont know that yet as well, how they will deal with that
[2016-08-04 07:51:38] rapidtrades : they already said that
[2016-08-04 07:52:07] habibi : u mean zane on /r//
[2016-08-04 07:52:10] rapidtrades : u don't know anything hajibi
[2016-08-04 07:52:40] habibi : we ll see rapidsoon
[2016-08-04 07:53:09] rapidtrades : usd holders should be 'fine'
[2016-08-04 07:53:23] rapidtrades : until the 'cease and desist' lawsuit comes
[2016-08-04 07:56:17] rapidtrades : ok finex was 5x size of stamp right....approximately
[2016-08-04 07:56:18] lockhedge : tricky question if everybody will have the same hair cut or some people (in this case mostly corporate clients who deposited USD) have a higher level of protection
[2016-08-04 07:56:45] rapidtrades : like they said, if u held USD and not lend it out, ur ok
[2016-08-04 07:57:32] rapidtrades : like i was saying finex was 5x stamp....and stamp lost 12% so they had about 50 mil last year
[2016-08-04 07:57:41] rapidtrades : means finex had 250 mil
[2016-08-04 07:57:53] rapidtrades : prolly more due to bitcoin price doubling
[2016-08-04 07:58:11] rapidtrades : so 300-400 mil...maybe?
[2016-08-04 07:58:34] rapidtrades : that's 20% worst case scenario
[2016-08-04 07:59:18] rapidtrades : unless there was a massive exodus after their july f*ckup
[2016-08-04 08:00:40] rapidtrades : is the volume data on trading view accurate
[2016-08-04 08:04:06] rapidtrades : ok so going by TV volume data, stamp was 1/6 the siz
[2016-08-04 08:04:16] rapidtrades : so my math kind of adds up...
[2016-08-04 08:05:39] rapidtrades : do chinese exchanges us multisig?
[2016-08-04 08:07:08] jung1 : you can use it
[2016-08-04 08:07:11] jung1 : but its not obligatory
[2016-08-04 08:07:47] jung1 : btw is it possible to make futures contracts on decentralised exchange?
[2016-08-04 08:08:02] rapidtrades : problem is ofc that 20% is not spread out...if ur affected u'll be wiped out
[2016-08-04 08:09:20] rapidtrades : jung1: prolly
[2016-08-04 08:09:33] rapidtrades : i wouldn't trade that tho due to liquidity issues
[2016-08-04 08:10:08] rapidtrades : spreading out some % across several futures sites looks better idea if ur actively tradingg
[2016-08-04 08:10:24] rapidtrades : stop too much risk with 1/3 requirement
[2016-08-04 08:10:30] rapidtrades : spot*
[2016-08-04 08:12:25] jung1 : so basicly
[2016-08-04 08:12:28] jung1 : ALL HAIL BITMEX
[2016-08-04 08:13:44] bernx : jung1: can't fap to this :<
[2016-08-04 08:14:08] rapidtrades : i had USD in finex for the longest time....i was like lend it out...no wait u may need to short
[2016-08-04 08:14:16] rapidtrades : I almost lent it out
[2016-08-04 08:15:25] rapidtrades : u can't trust any of these sites man...if finex can go under they all can
[2016-08-04 08:15:36] jung1 : shure
[2016-08-04 08:16:01] rapidtrades : granted finex showed a greater level of incompetence then say bitmex
[2016-08-04 08:16:02] bernx : Lol, Finex at BVI. Of this is risk
[2016-08-04 08:17:09] rapidtrades : so what dummy? being incorporated in BVI doesn't make u more likely to get hacked
[2016-08-04 08:17:34] wotan : why i cannot sell my position?
[2016-08-04 08:17:45] jung1 : yes you can
[2016-08-04 08:17:53] wotan : and why my size is minus?
[2016-08-04 08:18:03] wotan : no i just could sell a part of it
[2016-08-04 08:18:09] aaa : wotan: you are short
[2016-08-04 08:18:13] wotan : when i sell now more it adds it to my margin
[2016-08-04 08:18:20] rapidtrades : yeah u get more short :)
[2016-08-04 08:18:24] aethlios : any plans to turn etc7D to swap??
[2016-08-04 08:18:36] rapidtrades : minus means ur short now...ur long is already closed
[2016-08-04 08:18:38] bernx : rapidtrades: law zone mate
[2016-08-04 08:18:39] jung1 : if you want to close your short you have to buy same amount
[2016-08-04 08:18:49] wotan : got it thanks
[2016-08-04 08:19:02] rapidtrades : bernx: shut up mate
[2016-08-04 08:19:15] bernx : rapidtrades: maybe you shut up, kid?
[2016-08-04 08:19:21] rapidtrades : eat me
[2016-08-04 08:19:24] rapidtrades : punk
[2016-08-04 08:19:30] bernx : you can't even talk normally. go sleep kid
[2016-08-04 08:19:50] rapidtrades : lol the irony of that comment ^^^
[2016-08-04 08:20:03] rapidtrades : 'go sleep kid'
[2016-08-04 08:20:32] herpinator : lol
[2016-08-04 08:21:28] wotan : willi get back my withheld profit?
[2016-08-04 08:21:46] wotan : it will be withheld and then set free when all going good right?
[2016-08-04 08:22:09] rapidtrades : wotan: on the swap its released in 4 hrs
[2016-08-04 08:22:16] rapidtrades : 12:00 UTC
[2016-08-04 08:22:29] wotan : nice man i mad a stupid long just hours before the finex hack
[2016-08-04 08:22:52] wotan : now managed to get all back with a win as i set a long form the ground
[2016-08-04 08:23:54] wotan : btc trading you really need strong nerves
[2016-08-04 08:24:14] rapidtrades : true dat
[2016-08-04 08:40:17] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBJ24H`: Buy 900 @ 58914.0
[2016-08-04 08:58:01] jesperf : who turned off the bots at okcoin?
[2016-08-04 08:58:54] jesperf : and what's up with all that dump
[2016-08-04 08:59:36] jung1 : finex was hacked
[2016-08-04 08:59:39] jung1 : 120k btc stoolen
[2016-08-04 09:00:06] jesperf : really? where am i?
[2016-08-04 09:00:35] lockhedge : FT: "the co-signing process may have been overly dependent on automated sign offs" https://next.ft.com/content/1ea8baf8-5a11-11e6-8d05-4eaa66292c32
[2016-08-04 09:01:20] jesperf : jung1: 5 hours ago volume dropped like a push of a button
[2016-08-04 09:01:48] jesperf : and 15 minutes ago china started dumping
[2016-08-04 09:01:54] jung1 : jesperf: check /r/bitcoin
[2016-08-04 09:02:26] jesperf : jung1: you're dumb :)
[2016-08-04 09:02:36] jung1 : ?
[2016-08-04 09:06:50] wurstgelee : jung1: he is not refering to finex hack but most recently chart developments (last hours)
[2016-08-04 09:06:58] wurstgelee : *r
[2016-08-04 09:07:10] jesperf : wurstgelee: you're clever :)
[2016-08-04 09:07:22] wurstgelee : lolz :D
[2016-08-04 09:08:23] wurstgelee : we need a new hack, i am embracing knifes to catch now
[2016-08-04 09:08:25] wurstgelee : somebody take down okc please
[2016-08-04 09:18:05] bernx : bitcoin shart now looks like altcoin chart
[2016-08-04 09:30:35] rapidtrades : coinbase premium now 'only' 13
[2016-08-04 09:30:44] jung1 : etc falling
[2016-08-04 09:33:07] rapidtrades : let me know if finex posts update...can't check reddit every 5 mins
[2016-08-04 09:38:10] jesperf : bro do you even internet?
[2016-08-04 09:41:37] rapidtrades : FU JESREP
[2016-08-04 09:42:23] elmorte : rapidtrades: sign up for statuspage updates dude
[2016-08-04 09:42:28] elmorte : did you get your phone back?
[2016-08-04 09:48:26] jesperf : rapidtrades: y u mad
[2016-08-04 09:49:24] justinlooking : it's her time of the month
[2016-08-04 09:49:46] jesperf : oh i get that too
[2016-08-04 09:49:49] jung1 : yeah his hand is disabled for a while
[2016-08-04 09:50:32] jesperf : so annoying, can't wear white pants
[2016-08-04 09:51:07] justinlooking : and bf demands anal
[2016-08-04 10:02:53] elmorte : That's crossing the line guys, I'm sure rapid enjoys a bit of anal now & then
[2016-08-04 10:05:46] wurstgelee : oO
[2016-08-04 10:17:00] rapidtrades : 'We will have an announcement about this later today'
[2016-08-04 10:17:10] rapidtrades : so prolly tomorrow...or never
[2016-08-04 10:21:42] jesperf : well they just woke up over there
[2016-08-04 10:21:48] jesperf : assuming new york time
[2016-08-04 10:22:51] rapidtrades : ahole is in Amsterdam
[2016-08-04 10:23:03] rapidtrades : they don't have a set office
[2016-08-04 10:26:41] wotan : when will be an bitfinex announcement? thought it should be yesterday
[2016-08-04 10:27:29] jesperf : no, yesterday they said tomorrow and zane just posted "later today"
[2016-08-04 10:28:38] jesperf : sounds like the shia labeouf meme
[2016-08-04 10:28:40] jesperf : JUST DO IT
[2016-08-04 10:30:01] justinlooking : boe 30 mins
[2016-08-04 10:30:45] habibi : There was an announcement like 11 hours ago https://bitfinex.statuspage.io/ Today they will tell how they will deal with people's losses
[2016-08-04 10:31:06] wotan : ah get it
[2016-08-04 10:32:20] wotan : but we still dont know how much was really lost right
[2016-08-04 10:32:40] habibi : 119k btc
[2016-08-04 10:33:28] wotan : so the hacker could dump this any time?
[2016-08-04 10:34:45] jung1 : yup
[2016-08-04 10:34:59] habibi : yea he already sent all bitcoins to coinbase, but he is verifying his account atm, after this he will sell all of them
[2016-08-04 10:35:12] justinlooking : rofl
[2016-08-04 10:36:11] jung1 : would be funny if he will buy all etc for that money
[2016-08-04 10:36:14] wotan : true thats not that easy
[2016-08-04 10:36:19] jung1 : and pump it to $100
[2016-08-04 10:36:30] justinlooking : $100 etc gtfo
[2016-08-04 10:37:51] wotan : he could get his coins into a coin mixer to anon his coins but i have read its not 100% anonym
[2016-08-04 10:38:03] wotan : lol yes that would be funny
[2016-08-04 10:38:34] wotan : if he would be a good man he would refund the money t the people and played the market meanwhile
[2016-08-04 10:38:51] wotan : then he made alot of money (if he holds capital) and no one can blame him
[2016-08-04 10:39:13] habibi : absolutely noone
[2016-08-04 10:41:12] rapidtrades : pretty sure the police will still blame him
[2016-08-04 10:41:57] wotan : or he did both ways and do double money
[2016-08-04 10:47:04] rapidtrades : he should go with the 'YouTube defense'
[2016-08-04 10:47:43] rapidtrades : IT WAS JUST A PRANK BRO
[2016-08-04 10:48:02] rapidtrades : A SOCIAL EXPERIMENT
[2016-08-04 10:48:18] jung1 : so lets make hardfork on bitcoin
[2016-08-04 10:48:43] rapidtrades : Let's hardfork ur mom how about that
[2016-08-04 10:50:59] wotan : no way of hardfork btc lol look at eth
[2016-08-04 10:51:25] wotan : i think the so called hacker could be even a government official who knows
[2016-08-04 10:51:32] jung1 : /irony
[2016-08-04 10:51:59] jung1 : rapidtrades: I have hard fork in my kitchen
[2016-08-04 10:52:39] rapidtrades : sleger shouldn't have come back imo
[2016-08-04 10:52:48] wotan : long or short at this point?
[2016-08-04 10:52:48] rapidtrades : he had a legend status after he left
[2016-08-04 10:53:04] rapidtrades : how he's just meh, it's sleger again
[2016-08-04 10:53:54] rapidtrades : who's that? oh that's sleger he pops in here from time to time
[2016-08-04 10:55:12] lopol : How can i see how much leverage was in my order?
[2016-08-04 10:57:39] justinlooking : lopol: in "your position" the value on the left overlaying the green/red scale tells you approx current leverage
[2016-08-04 10:58:09] rapidtrades : he already closed it
[2016-08-04 10:59:25] lopol : I didint close it but still i cant see it
[2016-08-04 11:00:05] lopol : my position is 1300 contracts but where can i see leverage?
[2016-08-04 11:01:43] roman-roman : when will the etc drop significantly? All the developers support ETH, it seems like it's an easy yes to short the fuck out of etc
[2016-08-04 11:01:47] lopol : oh I can change my leverage after the trade?
[2016-08-04 11:02:42] justinlooking : lopol: of course
[2016-08-04 11:02:50] lockhedge : lopol: look at the "Margin" tab in open positions, does it say "Cross"?
[2016-08-04 11:04:52] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETHXBT`: Buy 800 @ 0.01837
[2016-08-04 11:05:21] justinlooking : boe cut + more stimulus
[2016-08-04 11:05:42] lockhedge : leverage should be `position value / margin` if you use isolated margin or `position value / wallet balance`if you use cross
[2016-08-04 11:06:34] lockhedge : margin balance not wallet balance....
[2016-08-04 11:07:37] lopol : on margin tab reads 0,8817 XBT (6.74x)
[2016-08-04 11:07:47] lopol : so is the leverage 6.74?
[2016-08-04 11:08:01] lopol : and why doest that change all the time little bit?
[2016-08-04 11:08:01] lockhedge : then it's 6.74x leverage
[2016-08-04 11:28:32] justinlooking : rETCKTCKTCKTC
[2016-08-04 11:29:48] jung1 : looks like money flows from etc to eth
[2016-08-04 11:29:56] jung1 : time to fork ETC
[2016-08-04 11:30:20] jung1 : for ETC and Ethereum Classic Legit
[2016-08-04 11:33:52] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC7D`: Sell 100 @ 0.004246
[2016-08-04 11:34:17] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC7D`: Sell 1000 @ 0.004226
[2016-08-04 11:35:07] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC7D`: Sell 2421 @ 0.004124
[2016-08-04 11:37:49] macios15 : WIDZIAŁAM ORŁAAA CIEŃ
[2016-08-04 11:42:01] jesperf : whoa calm down your polishness
[2016-08-04 11:42:27] justinlooking : what happens tomorrow if u16 mark is higher than the liq at rebalance time?
[2016-08-04 11:43:12] justinlooking : dynamic loss equalization?
[2016-08-04 11:45:22] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETHXBT`: Buy 100 @ 0.01893
[2016-08-04 11:46:29] lockhedge : justinlooking: only if mark price is below the liquidation order's price (and the insurance fund is empty)
[2016-08-04 11:47:04] justinlooking : lockhedge: was kinda joking about the dpe/dle
[2016-08-04 11:48:06] lockhedge : ah ok, overread the "loss equalization" :)
[2016-08-04 12:05:52] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC7D`: Sell 999 @ 0.004050
[2016-08-04 12:05:52] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC7D`: Sell 11 @ 0.004086
[2016-08-04 12:08:02] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC7D`: Sell 75 @ 0.003998
[2016-08-04 12:09:37] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC7D`: Sell 318 @ 0.003909
[2016-08-04 12:09:51] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC7D`: Sell 135 @ 0.003855
[2016-08-04 12:11:05] dasdfasdf : When does the Withdrawl notification stay on top of inferface? I saw it yesterday but not today. I liked the time count down.
[2016-08-04 12:11:52] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETHXBT`: Buy 250 @ 0.01907
[2016-08-04 12:12:37] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETHXBT`: Buy 200 @ 0.01910
[2016-08-04 12:12:44] subjective : Now Bitmex is pretty awesome with ETC traders here
[2016-08-04 12:16:25] jesperf : congrats to the brave shorters
[2016-08-04 12:16:47] justinlooking : if ethetc breaks 0.2 i'm yolo shorting
[2016-08-04 12:17:36] jesperf : tbh i don't understand how it reached 0.005 so quickly
[2016-08-04 12:17:44] jesperf : someone knows how to play the markets
[2016-08-04 12:18:58] jesperf : and eth is doing its phoenix thing in full blast now
[2016-08-04 12:30:17] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBJ24H`: Sell 2000 @ 58633.0
[2016-08-04 12:30:46] justinlooking : where is XBJ???
[2016-08-04 12:31:03] justinlooking : reload fixed it
[2016-08-04 12:31:24] habibi : yea have some issues pairs like to dissapear
[2016-08-04 12:31:59] rapidtrades : we're still trading much higher then china
[2016-08-04 12:32:04] rapidtrades : that's not right
[2016-08-04 12:33:42] rapidtrades : by we i mean usd sites
[2016-08-04 12:34:28] rapidtrades : bitfinex hasn't sent ONE email
[2016-08-04 12:34:58] rapidtrades : so if ur on holiday ur SOL i guess
[2016-08-04 12:35:51] rapidtrades : The minimum balance for access to the chat is increased to $ 1000
[2016-08-04 12:35:56] rapidtrades : LOL btc-e^^^
[2016-08-04 12:36:11] lockhedge : Kraken btc/eur at a $20 premium vs china
[2016-08-04 12:36:43] rapidtrades : yeah it's kinda crazy what's going on
[2016-08-04 12:37:04] rapidtrades : even btce at 577
[2016-08-04 12:37:13] rapidtrades : almost $10 above china
[2016-08-04 12:37:21] rapidtrades : really doubt we have it right this time
[2016-08-04 12:38:03] lockhedge : don't know but kraken and gdax were right about the price the last time i complaint about them
[2016-08-04 12:38:19] lockhedge : complained
[2016-08-04 12:38:22] rapidtrades : last time? u mean on 4th of july?
[2016-08-04 12:39:18] jesperf : do humans trade on chinese exchanges? i thought it was mostly bots
[2016-08-04 12:39:19] lockhedge : 2 days ago when they traded at a discount vs all the others
[2016-08-04 12:40:29] habibi : Bitmex guys?
[2016-08-04 12:40:52] habibi : U have new market to add - bitfinex coin.
[2016-08-04 12:41:00] habibi : and i am not jk :p
[2016-08-04 12:41:13] rapidtrades : u can transfer claims on finex can u?
[2016-08-04 12:41:14] Hoble : Any reason an XBTUSD contract would be liquidated before reaching liquidation price?
[2016-08-04 12:41:24] rapidtrades : mtgox had certificates
[2016-08-04 12:41:52] rapidtrades : i meant u can't
[2016-08-04 12:42:02] Hoble : I had a small short w liq price $573, though trade history reveals a recent high of $570
[2016-08-04 12:42:05] macios15 : predicted founding still at -0,5% lol
[2016-08-04 12:42:59] Hoble : anyone know the help email for bitmex?
[2016-08-04 12:43:03] lockhedge : too bad bitmex never launched these exchange default swaps
[2016-08-04 12:43:14] habibi : helpEmail@bitmex.com i guess
[2016-08-04 12:43:56] jesperf : what are you daft
[2016-08-04 12:43:56] lockhedge : support@bitmex.com
[2016-08-04 12:43:58] jesperf : support@bitmex.com
[2016-08-04 12:44:39] jesperf : i wonder if it is stupid guys who can't find the support email who make the best trades
[2016-08-04 12:45:22] jesperf : i just know the most successful hedge fund traders would never trade their own money :P
[2016-08-04 12:48:24] Hoble : habibi: thanks
[2016-08-04 12:48:40] Hoble : jesperf: ok will send to support :)
[2016-08-04 12:50:05] habibi : Hoble: that was ironic, support@bitmex.com is where u send ur problems
[2016-08-04 12:51:01] rapidtrades : all futures are pointing down
[2016-08-04 12:51:14] rapidtrades : USD spot seems delusional atm
[2016-08-04 12:52:22] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETC7D`: Buy 3362 @ 0.004390
[2016-08-04 12:52:52] lockhedge : rapidtrades: do you know which exchange will be added to okc's futures index instead of finex?
[2016-08-04 12:53:17] rapidtrades : no
[2016-08-04 12:53:42] rapidtrades : did they remove finex from the index?
[2016-08-04 12:54:47] macios15 : rapidtrades: https://www.kaiko.com/bitmex
[2016-08-04 12:54:50] lockhedge : yes only 5 exchanges each 20% weight, 3 cny markets
[2016-08-04 12:55:08] lockhedge : makes usd futures even more untradable
[2016-08-04 12:56:04] rapidtrades : wait what
[2016-08-04 12:56:12] rapidtrades : there's nothing on the blog
[2016-08-04 12:56:31] wurstgelee : lockhedge: sources?
[2016-08-04 12:56:49] wurstgelee : kaiko is 5 exchanges now, 20% each?
[2016-08-04 12:57:29] lockhedge : no, okc's fututes index
[2016-08-04 12:57:33] macios15 : noo, 50% ok coin and 50% stamp
[2016-08-04 12:57:35] wurstgelee : ahh lol
[2016-08-04 12:57:36] wurstgelee : kk :9
[2016-08-04 12:59:51] palgba : Bitmex
[2016-08-04 13:00:43] palgba : Since when price reached 577?
[2016-08-04 13:00:53] rapidtrades : they're not gonna come up today either
[2016-08-04 13:00:55] rapidtrades : finex is shit
[2016-08-04 13:01:07] palgba : I got liquidated at 577 minuts ago
[2016-08-04 13:01:24] rapidtrades : so basically none of the USD exchanges use a cold wallet
[2016-08-04 13:01:32] rapidtrades : aside from bitmex
[2016-08-04 13:01:43] rapidtrades : they all use bitgo joke of a security
[2016-08-04 13:02:28] lockhedge : rapidtrades: nobody uses bitgo the way bitfinex used it
[2016-08-04 13:02:56] rapidtrades : mindbogglingly stupid either way...i thought they had 90%+ in cold wallet
[2016-08-04 13:03:06] esuvari : 0.8071% for eth funding????
[2016-08-04 13:03:09] esuvari : that's insane
[2016-08-04 13:03:17] rapidtrades : even their withdrawal emails had 'hot wallet' reference
[2016-08-04 13:03:32] esuvari : I lost 0.16 btc as soon as I enter a position with 1000 contract
[2016-08-04 13:04:11] rapidtrades : Please note that for security reasons, Bitfinex maintains limited crypto-currency balances in its on-line hot wallet, and has spending limits from Bitgo wallets. Should your withdrawal exceed the available amount, Bitfinex will need to manually replenish the hot wallet and/or manually review and approve withdrawals, which may take up to 12 hours
[2016-08-04 13:04:28] rapidtrades : ^^^ TOTAL LIE ATTACHED TO ALL WITHDRAWAL EMAILS
[2016-08-04 13:06:32] palgba : so i got it ,bitstamp fomo´s and i get liquidated
[2016-08-04 13:06:37] palgba : that makes sense
[2016-08-04 13:06:41] palgba : what is this bitmex
[2016-08-04 13:06:53] palgba : am i trading bitstamp price or bitmex price?
[2016-08-04 13:07:21] jesperf : maybe you shouldn't trade if you don't know what you're doing
[2016-08-04 13:07:25] chromaticcr1 : bitstamp*0.5 + OKCOIN USD*0.5
[2016-08-04 13:07:26] jesperf : read the contract specifications
[2016-08-04 13:07:45] palgba : i had a stop in place but i get liquidated at bitstamp price
[2016-08-04 13:07:53] palgba : i trade here for months
[2016-08-04 13:07:55] chromaticcr1 : https://www.kaiko.com/bitmex
[2016-08-04 13:08:30] Tr : Where is my withdrawal guys
[2016-08-04 13:09:48] jesperf : rapidtrades: i think the chinese just aren't as easily convinced as we are. they're slowly creeping upwards
[2016-08-04 13:12:32] rapidtrades : why would u trust us tho...we can't even keep an exchange running
[2016-08-04 13:12:49] rapidtrades : mtgox, bitfinex, bitstamp hacks
[2016-08-04 13:13:25] BitMEX_Wally : Tr: Withdrawals are being processed and will be broadcast soon
[2016-08-04 13:14:06] rapidtrades : all the major chinese sites are still running
[2016-08-04 13:14:48] palgba : bitstamp fomos do 580 and i get liquidated while bitmex price is 570
[2016-08-04 13:15:01] palgba : thats good
[2016-08-04 13:15:20] wurstgelee : BitMEX_Wally: do u broadcast all transactions simultaneously? or in chunks?
[2016-08-04 13:15:35] wurstgelee : trasnaction 1 got sent. transaction 2 not (yet)
[2016-08-04 13:15:40] wurstgelee : thats y i am asking
[2016-08-04 13:16:00] lockhedge : rapidtrades: does okc provide proof of reserves? doesn't mean they never got hacked if they don't publicly say that they were hacked (see mt gox)
[2016-08-04 13:17:41] palgba : BitMEX_Wally: why did i get liquidated at 577 when bitmex price was 570 ?
[2016-08-04 13:20:04] lockhedge : "Have you ever had an audit for proof-of-reserves? - "No. However we are currently in the process of finding someone to audit our reserves." (okc faq)
[2016-08-04 13:20:38] BitMEX_Wally : palgba: Liquidations are triggered based on the mark price which is the Kaiko index
[2016-08-04 13:21:16] wurstgelee : BitMEX_Wally: speaking of which, which exchanges are part of the index atm?
[2016-08-04 13:21:26] BitMEX_Wally : At the moment, 50% OKC and 50% Bitstamp
[2016-08-04 13:21:51] wurstgelee : yep, could have checked myself i guess
[2016-08-04 13:21:53] wurstgelee : thanks :)
[2016-08-04 13:21:55] BitMEX_Wally : wurstgelee: They are broadcast one by one, manually
[2016-08-04 13:22:07] wurstgelee : BitMEX_Wally: 2nd trasnactions got broadcasted ;)
[2016-08-04 13:22:10] wurstgelee : thanks
[2016-08-04 13:22:15] wurstgelee : *transaction
[2016-08-04 13:24:11] gaoMex : Any chance more exchange will be included in the Kaiko index?
[2016-08-04 13:24:13] lockhedge : BitMEX_Wally: when do you think you'll decide about including an other exchange to the index?
[2016-08-04 13:24:40] BitMEX_Wally : We're looking into it
[2016-08-04 13:25:44] gaoMex : Who decide to make changes to Kaiko index: Kaiko, BitMEX or both?
[2016-08-04 13:26:34] palgba : BitMEX_Wally: thats terrible because bitstamp price is to volatile.
[2016-08-04 13:26:39] lockhedge : BitMEX_Wally: can you pls announce a change to index at least 48h before it becomes effective via mail?
[2016-08-04 13:26:45] BitMEX_Wally : Both
[2016-08-04 13:27:32] gaoMex : actually the previous index tradeblock is quite OK
[2016-08-04 13:27:45] gaoMex : wondering why it was replaced by Kaiko...
[2016-08-04 13:28:30] chromaticcr1 : gaoMex: coz it constantly changes and difficult to hedge for market makers
[2016-08-04 13:29:11] lockhedge : gaoMex: problem of XBX is that it's not transparent how it weights, problem of Kaiko is that it does not have any mechanism for de-weighting
[2016-08-04 13:30:50] gaoMex : lockhedge: solution: come out with a de-weighting mechanism and apply it to Kaiko
[2016-08-04 13:31:12] gaoMex : make the de-weighting mechanism public
[2016-08-04 13:31:50] gaoMex : and ensure there are at least 3 exchanges, conditions to be included to be decided
[2016-08-04 13:31:52] lockhedge : i already have one, implemented after the last finex outage for bix for testing
[2016-08-04 13:32:38] lockhedge : simplest way would be 5 exchange, remove the highest and lowest price and build the index based on the remaining 3
[2016-08-04 13:33:02] gaoMex : sounds logical
[2016-08-04 13:35:32] palgba : Yes. So that we dont get liquidates with a 8 dollar spread from bitmex trading price
[2016-08-04 13:36:15] lockhedge : my testing algo only de-weights the exchange with the highest price variance only after certain limits, works with 3-4 index components
[2016-08-04 13:36:42] palgba : Really disappointed with this one i had a stop loss 3 dollars above my short instead i get liquidated with 10
[2016-08-04 13:36:47] palgba : Good
[2016-08-04 13:38:06] palgba : I guess im not trading anymore until index is better weighted
[2016-08-04 13:51:18] rapidtrades : We are planning on today, but we're working as hard as we can and this takes time, we'll see if we can get it done'
[2016-08-04 13:51:37] rapidtrades : translation: it aint happening today
[2016-08-04 13:52:14] lockhedge : rapidtrades: what are they planning, their first public statement that was approved by a lawyer?
[2016-08-04 13:54:04] rapidtrades : f*ck em
[2016-08-04 13:59:51] lockhedge : added the dynamic de-weighting mechanism to the public bix source https://github.com/robotfinance/BIX/blob/master/bixpy/bix.py
[2016-08-04 14:00:16] bernx : wtf bitcoin do? will it grow?
[2016-08-04 14:05:29] I-am-Legend : hey guys
[2016-08-04 14:05:43] I-am-Legend : anyone know how to get clef working
[2016-08-04 14:06:07] I-am-Legend : im on page but i select clef nothing happens in account page
[2016-08-04 14:06:20] I-am-Legend : just signed up
[2016-08-04 14:08:54] I-am-Legend : never mind sorted
[2016-08-04 14:12:12] Rado : rapidtrades: what stops Bitfinex from steal more coins than actually were stolen from the attack
[2016-08-04 14:12:28] Rado : there is no 3rd party auditing as far as I know
[2016-08-04 14:22:16] Rado : BitMEX_Wally: Please implement min order size
[2016-08-04 14:22:48] Rado : I will create a bot to place bids and asks for 1 contract on all instruments otherwise
[2016-08-04 14:23:00] Rado : I hate these small orders mudding the waters
[2016-08-04 14:23:03] BitMEX_Sam : Rado: This is already implemented
[2016-08-04 14:23:19] BitMEX_Sam : Accounts placing large numbers of small orders will automatically have their orders hidden if below a threshold
[2016-08-04 14:23:30] Rado : XBTU16 has 4 orders of 2 contracts each
[2016-08-04 14:23:35] Rado : why is this allowed?
[2016-08-04 14:23:52] BitMEX_Sam : That account just hasn't triggered the spam threshold
[2016-08-04 14:24:01] BitMEX_Sam : If you have an issue with viewing it that way, group the orderbook
[2016-08-04 14:24:33] Rado : what is the threshold?
[2016-08-04 14:26:10] Rado : spam threshold is different than minimum order size
[2016-08-04 14:26:29] BitMEX_Sam : Yes, but it solves the same issue
[2016-08-04 14:26:39] Rado : kind of
[2016-08-04 14:27:13] Rado : there is no benefit to BitMex having these 1 and 2 contract orders
[2016-08-04 14:28:13] Rado : actually it prevents users from placing a post only order and being at the top of the order book
[2016-08-04 14:29:31] Rado : XBTUSD doesn't seem to have this issue
[2016-08-04 14:45:40] Muhammed : why is bitcoin so high on poloniex??
[2016-08-04 14:59:57] Rado : can you actually trade BTC there?
[2016-08-04 15:00:30] thinkngrow : Does Bitmex offer a possobility to lend btc to margin trading?
[2016-08-04 15:01:03] Rado : thinkngrow: no, but you can make the funding rate which is the same
[2016-08-04 15:01:24] Rado : if you are long now you make 0.21% in 8 hours
[2016-08-04 15:01:44] thinkngrow : where can i find funding rate?
[2016-08-04 15:02:00] Rado : on the left under Contract details
[2016-08-04 15:04:01] thinkngrow : Rado: what's the risk/
[2016-08-04 15:04:26] Rado : the risk is that BTC can go down and you will lose a lot more than making the 0.21%
[2016-08-04 15:04:56] thinkngrow : so this is not the same as lending money
[2016-08-04 15:05:07] thinkngrow : its like margin trading
[2016-08-04 15:05:15] Rado : If you don't care about BTC going up and only want to make money from interest you can do it this way
[2016-08-04 15:05:36] Rado : short $10k of BTC on an exchange
[2016-08-04 15:05:48] Rado : buy 10k contracts of XBTUSD here
[2016-08-04 15:06:03] Rado : then when you want to unwind the trade cover at the exchange and sell here
[2016-08-04 15:06:21] Rado : that will protect you and make the interest
[2016-08-04 15:06:45] Rado : the problem is if the funding rate goes from negative to positive you need to switch the positions
[2016-08-04 15:06:49] thinkngrow : Rado: thx
[2016-08-04 15:06:55] Rado : no problem
[2016-08-04 15:07:49] Rado : thinkngrow: one big benefit is that the rate here per 24h is way higher than exchanges that offer lending
[2016-08-04 15:10:01] rapidtrades : man that sucks...we don't even know if we were haxxed
[2016-08-04 15:10:28] rapidtrades : and now zane the shame says today EST
[2016-08-04 15:10:35] rapidtrades : LOL it's one big joke
[2016-08-04 15:11:26] rapidtrades : GUYS TODAY...(next day) RLY TODAY....TODAY UCT....NO TODAY EST
[2016-08-04 15:11:50] rapidtrades : yeah it ain't happening today like i said earlier
[2016-08-04 15:11:59] rapidtrades : i speak finex now
[2016-08-04 15:16:10] Rado : lol
[2016-08-04 15:36:17] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBJ24H`: Sell 15 @ 58320.0
[2016-08-04 15:37:59] jesperf : the guy can't help himself: https://www.reddit.com/r/BitcoinMarkets/comments/4vtv1m/bitfinex_down_due_to_bitcoin_security_breach/d640a8o?context=3
[2016-08-04 15:40:36] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC7D`: Sell 9 @ 0.003877
[2016-08-04 15:42:02] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC7D`: Sell 9354 @ 0.003745
[2016-08-04 15:42:02] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC7D`: Sell 3497 @ 0.003815
[2016-08-04 15:42:07] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC7D`: Sell 200 @ 0.003743
[2016-08-04 15:42:07] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC7D`: Sell 1116 @ 0.003685
[2016-08-04 15:52:32] justinlooking : new HEIST vuln sounds scary as shit
[2016-08-04 16:09:01] negamax : hi guys, n00b questions regarding XBTU16
[2016-08-04 16:09:27] negamax : isn't it to settle on 20 September, then why do I have 1 day for balancing?
[2016-08-04 16:09:52] negamax : i.e. tomorrow my account will be affected by profit/loss even though contract is to expire much later
[2016-08-04 16:11:10] negamax : Settle - 30 Sep, not 20
[2016-08-04 16:11:38] BitMEX_Sam : negamax: Your position will remain open - we simply move unrealised PNL to realised, which means that the PNL you have accrued so far is not subject to profit adjustment
[2016-08-04 16:11:48] BitMEX_Sam : It is simply accounting, it does not affect your actual profitability
[2016-08-04 16:12:22] negamax : got it. thank @BitMEX_Sam
[2016-08-04 16:12:32] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETC7D`: Buy 700 @ 0.003941
[2016-08-04 16:12:51] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETC7D`: Buy 600 @ 0.004006
[2016-08-04 16:22:29] palgba : BitMEX_Sam: the blue line in the chart says xbt bitmex abd it is higher than the trading xbtusd permanent. Is this linr the kaik price?
[2016-08-04 16:22:59] BitMEX_Sam : This is the Mark Price, which is Kaiko, yes
[2016-08-04 16:24:24] rapidtrades : 'This evening EST would be my best guess'
[2016-08-04 16:30:46] rapidtrades : it's kinda funny i thought okc would be the next domino to fall so i moved to finex
[2016-08-04 16:32:11] santacruz : BitMEX_Sam: What is index price components now?
[2016-08-04 16:32:19] BitMEX_Sam : santacruz: BSTP & OKC
[2016-08-04 16:32:23] BitMEX_Sam : http://kaiko.com/bitmex
[2016-08-04 16:33:18] santacruz : do you plan to add 3rd one?
[2016-08-04 16:33:49] BitMEX_Sam : Eventually, yes, but we are evaluating
[2016-08-04 16:34:43] santacruz : where is the link to to last DPE adjustments?
[2016-08-04 16:35:19] santacruz : found
[2016-08-04 17:09:36] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETC7D`: Buy 20841 @ 0.004351 **MEGA-REKT** :boom:
[2016-08-04 17:17:37] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETHXBT`: Buy 994 @ 0.01905
[2016-08-04 17:34:37] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETC7D`: Buy 296 @ 0.004670
[2016-08-04 17:50:14] palgba : BitMEX_Sam: i got liquidated at 577 check the kaiko it never reached that price. What happened?
[2016-08-04 17:50:22] negamax : Is REKT customer bot or by BitMex?
[2016-08-04 17:50:38] negamax : is it working with one account or announcing square offs on all?
[2016-08-04 17:50:39] justinlooking : micmix's (cust)
[2016-08-04 17:50:49] negamax : thanks
[2016-08-04 17:51:06] palgba : After 12am i mean
[2016-08-04 17:51:07] justinlooking : it announces liquidations it sees via the api
[2016-08-04 17:51:18] negamax : it be great to be able to see performance of bots, any way to do that?
[2016-08-04 17:51:29] negamax : anyone has that information shared for public good?
[2016-08-04 17:52:41] palgba : BitMEX_Sam: can you give me an explanation to this? Thanks
[2016-08-04 17:53:18] negamax : palgba: I think the platform takes action based on Mark Price (I could be wrong)
[2016-08-04 17:53:44] CaptainDean : negamax: it is
[2016-08-04 17:54:01] palgba : Neither reached that price of 577 when i got liquidated
[2016-08-04 17:54:13] palgba : Its in the chart
[2016-08-04 17:54:25] justinlooking : what time?
[2016-08-04 17:54:26] CaptainDean : palgba: I think someone else had the same issue and opened a ticket to support@bitmex.com
[2016-08-04 17:55:13] palgba : CaptainDean: thanks for that info
[2016-08-04 17:55:24] CaptainDean : palgba: you're welcome !
[2016-08-04 18:01:29] palgba : BitMEX_Sam: should i open a ticket?
[2016-08-04 18:11:15] macios15 : palgba: at what time u get liq and it was long or short
[2016-08-04 18:14:12] rapidtrades : it's possible that they're gonna pool the losses
[2016-08-04 18:14:21] rapidtrades : gonna be pissed
[2016-08-04 18:16:21] BitMEX_Greg : palgba: Hi, feel free to submit a support ticket and I will look into it. Note that liquidations are marked to the Mark Price and not the last traded price
[2016-08-04 18:17:08] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 1 @ 561.96 :punch: :whale:
[2016-08-04 18:17:08] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 100 @ 562.39
[2016-08-04 18:17:22] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 3000 @ 561.25
[2016-08-04 18:17:47] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 67022 @ 558.68 **EPIC REKT** :unamused: :confounded: :astonished:
[2016-08-04 18:17:58] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 1200 @ 557.08
[2016-08-04 18:17:58] REKT : Blood on the streets!
[2016-08-04 18:17:58] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 50000 @ 556.85 **EPIC REKT** :unamused: :confounded: :astonished:
[2016-08-04 18:17:58] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 16000 @ 558.26
[2016-08-04 18:18:17] macios15 : wtf
[2016-08-04 18:19:15] CaptainDean : bitstamp crash