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[2016-08-02 19:05:18] Skitrx : i mean withdraw funds, sorry
[2016-08-02 19:05:36] BTCDJS : no
[2016-08-02 19:06:03] Mangalica : some of it should be available for withdrawal even before settlement, but it's not guaranteed
[2016-08-02 19:06:18] Skitrx : its gonna be worthless by friday at this rate haha
[2016-08-02 19:06:48] aaa : Skitrx: hedge it
[2016-08-02 19:06:55] Skitrx : i can't, profit
[2016-08-02 19:07:12] Skitrx : pending PNL
[2016-08-02 19:07:22] Rado : ETC a great short here for scalp
[2016-08-02 19:07:52] aaa : Skitrx: you should be able to open a position with what you have
[2016-08-02 19:08:13] Skitrx : yes but that is roughly half, the rest is pending
[2016-08-02 19:08:25] Skitrx : unlocked in 3 days
[2016-08-02 19:08:43] rapidtrades : great now i have to wait for finex all night
[2016-08-02 19:08:43] Skitrx : unless you can still trade with that and i'm stupid
[2016-08-02 19:08:47] Skitrx : :D
[2016-08-02 19:08:57] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTU16`: Sell 500 @ 636.50
[2016-08-02 19:08:57] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTU16`: Sell 1000 @ 635.60
[2016-08-02 19:08:57] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTU16`: Sell 2421 @ 632.14
[2016-08-02 19:08:57] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 22000 @ 583.94 **MEGA-REKT** :boom:
[2016-08-02 19:08:57] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 3000 @ 586.10
[2016-08-02 19:08:57] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 19025 @ 587.89
[2016-08-02 19:08:57] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 10000 @ 588.53
[2016-08-02 19:08:57] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 1647 @ 588.07
[2016-08-02 19:08:57] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 8000 @ 586.24
[2016-08-02 19:08:57] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 1000 @ 581.76
[2016-08-02 19:09:10] rapidtrades : MARK DOWN
[2016-08-02 19:09:14] kogroken : Mark price finally updated
[2016-08-02 19:09:15] aaa : Skitrx: you can trade with the other half and leverage it
[2016-08-02 19:09:22] rapidtrades : caused a stupid liq
[2016-08-02 19:09:26] nip : dpe incoming
[2016-08-02 19:09:26] rapidtrades : 244k
[2016-08-02 19:10:09] mike1000 : not compared to 800+K on 650-630 dump
[2016-08-02 19:11:03] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBJ24H`: Sell 19980 @ 59185.0
[2016-08-02 19:12:33] Skitrx : wow do all these people get their money back? or is this just part of the risk you take
[2016-08-02 19:13:02] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBJ24H`: Sell 23300 @ 58710.0 **MEGA-REKT** :boom:
[2016-08-02 19:13:12] bernx : How i can get money back? can't
[2016-08-02 19:13:26] nip : hey i just got liquidated for no sreason
[2016-08-02 19:13:33] nip : hey check out xbj
[2016-08-02 19:13:38] muirtastic : It's just the risk you take dealing with unregulated exchange
[2016-08-02 19:13:41] nip : the mm stopped quoting and i got liquidated
[2016-08-02 19:13:48] Skitrx : too bad
[2016-08-02 19:13:48] muirtastic : I lost about $7K on Gox and have a lot more than that on Finex
[2016-08-02 19:13:51] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC7D`: Sell 195 @ 0.005510
[2016-08-02 19:14:36] muirtastic : Yes I see Mark price is fixed.makes my PNL look much better
[2016-08-02 19:14:57] Skitrx : looks like etc is coming back to reality
[2016-08-02 19:15:09] rapidtrades : ''We don't have a hot/cold wallet setup, each user has their own segregated wallet''
[2016-08-02 19:15:21] rapidtrades : ^^^^ next level stupidity right there
[2016-08-02 19:16:09] mike1000 : Rado: which indicators are to watch on ETC for short time frame? for me it's all to chaotic
[2016-08-02 19:17:14] Rado : mike1000: If you are asking about my call to short. I was looking at 15 min chart and price was well outside of BB bands
[2016-08-02 19:21:13] mike1000 : Rado: BB are cool for XBT, gonna try with ETC, just need to learn to tell breakout from fakeout/reversal :0
[2016-08-02 19:21:16] wurstgelee : risky af tho
[2016-08-02 19:21:19] wurstgelee : to short etc
[2016-08-02 19:21:22] wurstgelee : //2 cents
[2016-08-02 19:22:38] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 4950 @ 577.68
[2016-08-02 19:22:58] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 13000 @ 577.16
[2016-08-02 19:22:59] Skitrx : gonna be interesting when the $32m in longs liquidate on bfx
[2016-08-02 19:23:11] mike1000 : wurstgelee: shorted ok just a bit now, but leverage is poison on ETH/ETC for me, price oscillater well behind liq prices both ways
[2016-08-02 19:23:12] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 6000 @ 576.37
[2016-08-02 19:23:28] wurstgelee : yes, but btc is crashing
[2016-08-02 19:23:30] wurstgelee : still is
[2016-08-02 19:23:31] Chimpindeed : What $32m you kidding?
[2016-08-02 19:23:50] Skitrx : thats what was said on reddit bitcoinmarkets
[2016-08-02 19:23:54] Skitrx : dunno official figures
[2016-08-02 19:24:14] willybot : What is PNL?
[2016-08-02 19:24:33] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 445 @ 574.27
[2016-08-02 19:24:43] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 5725 @ 572.19
[2016-08-02 19:24:43] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 4823 @ 572.15
[2016-08-02 19:24:48] wurstgelee : there goes btc
[2016-08-02 19:26:01] wurstgelee : and up goes etc
[2016-08-02 19:26:07] wurstgelee : risky ;)
[2016-08-02 19:26:10] Skitrx : sorry $38m**
[2016-08-02 19:27:02] Chimpindeed : oh got that in my back pocket sheeeesh
[2016-08-02 19:27:52] RoftheN : Where's the bottom?
[2016-08-02 19:29:01] nip : anyone from bitmex here? i got liquidated on xbj at a price below where the mark or market ever was
[2016-08-02 19:31:28] Skitrx : does a cross convert your btc into usd?
[2016-08-02 19:31:46] jesperf : seriously, bitfinex.. another gox to taint the bitcoin value
[2016-08-02 19:33:48] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 891 @ 570.42
[2016-08-02 19:34:28] REKT : HODL HODL HODL!
[2016-08-02 19:34:28] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 638 @ 565.02
[2016-08-02 19:35:03] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 116880 @ 563.45 **REKTosaurus** :slot_machine: :moneybag: :fire:
[2016-08-02 19:35:04] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 6049 @ 562.93
[2016-08-02 19:35:05] ersagun : Why is it a bad practice to have a personal wallet for every user? Wouldn't it protect against a single point failure, at least in theory?
[2016-08-02 19:35:53] Skitrx : cold wallets allow your money to be stored safely, then in practice the number in your wallet isn't real, but can be transferred from cold storage
[2016-08-02 19:37:42] rapidtrades : welp...welp
[2016-08-02 19:37:42] RoftheN : Wow I lost so much money today
[2016-08-02 19:37:45] Skitrx : its like any money you have is credit for equal value of what is in cold wallet, and only becomes real when you withdraw it
[2016-08-02 19:38:34] rapidtrades : so all bitfinex wallets start with 3 or 39?
[2016-08-02 19:38:39] sleger : anyone else saw the news for coin etf ?
[2016-08-02 19:38:40] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 195 @ 560.68
[2016-08-02 19:38:41] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 30000 @ 561.64 **MEGA-REKT** :boom:
[2016-08-02 19:38:41] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 1912 @ 561.44
[2016-08-02 19:38:41] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 7000 @ 560.63
[2016-08-02 19:38:41] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 1 @ 561.12 :punch: :whale:
[2016-08-02 19:38:41] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 3000 @ 561.56
[2016-08-02 19:38:43] mike1000 : RoftheN: I hope you could afford to lose that money
[2016-08-02 19:39:45] rapidtrades : trying to figure out which were my finex addresses
[2016-08-02 19:39:53] RoftheN : Well all of it was profit made by trading, but I better earn it back somehow
[2016-08-02 19:42:27] pgpenc : just tapped out @179% profit across 4 accounts ;)
[2016-08-02 19:43:23] pgpenc : think this is pretty close to the bottom!
[2016-08-02 19:43:37] rapidtrades : not rly
[2016-08-02 19:43:51] rapidtrades : so how do i search my wallet for bitfinex address
[2016-08-02 19:43:53] Skitrx : bottom is high $400's apparently
[2016-08-02 19:44:18] BTCDJS : 580 support broke. the ship is sinking
[2016-08-02 19:45:01] Skitrx : which indexes are being used for btc mark price right now?
[2016-08-02 19:45:09] rapidtrades : 'We are still investigating how exactly we were compromised'
[2016-08-02 19:45:13] rapidtrades : how reassuring
[2016-08-02 19:45:18] Skippy882 : Low 500s will be rough time for miners
[2016-08-02 19:45:27] BitMEX_Sam : Skitrx: https://www.kaiko.com/bitmex
[2016-08-02 19:45:30] rapidtrades : NOW IS NOT THE TIME SKIPPY
[2016-08-02 19:45:35] BitMEX_Sam : BFX is out so it's OKC intl & Stamp
[2016-08-02 19:46:04] Skitrx : thanks
[2016-08-02 19:46:23] rapidtrades : BitMEX_Sam: do u know how i can check my finex addresses?
[2016-08-02 19:46:37] BitMEX_Sam : rapidtrades: No, I don't
[2016-08-02 19:46:53] rapidtrades : ok
[2016-08-02 19:47:49] BTCDJS : rapidtrades: check your bitcoin wallet history of dresses you sent to
[2016-08-02 19:47:57] BTCDJS : adresses
[2016-08-02 19:48:22] rapidtrades : yeah i was asking what type of address to search for
[2016-08-02 19:48:25] zanza : should I go pump bitmex on reddit now?
[2016-08-02 19:48:26] Skitrx : looks like someone closed a huge short in china lol
[2016-08-02 19:48:32] rapidtrades : guess u didn't catch me asking 10 times ^^^
[2016-08-02 19:48:52] BTCDJS : rapidtrades: can you not just remember the day and the amount you sent?
[2016-08-02 19:49:05] rapidtrades : are u srs
[2016-08-02 19:49:14] BTCDJS : yup
[2016-08-02 19:49:19] Rado : lol
[2016-08-02 19:49:26] rapidtrades : NO
[2016-08-02 19:49:57] BTCDJS : k
[2016-08-02 19:50:49] jordanbitfort : he must have been trading too rapidly
[2016-08-02 19:51:04] elmorte : Wow, withdrawal from Polo took 11min for first conf
[2016-08-02 19:51:08] BTCDJS : yeah i came to that conclusion
[2016-08-02 19:52:02] elmorte : Finex withdrawal would've cleared on Thursday...though that seems like wishful thinking now
[2016-08-02 19:52:53] nip : BitMEX_Sam: can you explain why the XBJ mark went to 52000 yen?
[2016-08-02 19:53:00] habibi : BitMEX_Sam: wtf is wrong with jbitcoin xbj mark price.
[2016-08-02 19:53:03] nip : i got liquidated by that
[2016-08-02 19:53:20] nip : i cant get an answer
[2016-08-02 19:53:29] habibi : yea this pair is full of shit
[2016-08-02 19:54:25] BitMEX_Greg : nip: Hey nip, we don't control the mark from Quoine. If you see their trade history then there was a large trade down to 52000
[2016-08-02 19:54:37] rapidtrades : ok so when u move coins from deposit to exchange for example, does that happen internally or on blockchain
[2016-08-02 19:54:48] nip : that is $515 usd...
[2016-08-02 19:55:12] elmorte : internally afaik
[2016-08-02 19:55:23] elmorte : it's instantaneous
[2016-08-02 19:55:36] CaptainDean : @nip that is one of the problem when a bunch of liquidation occurs at the same time .. you never know how low it will go
[2016-08-02 19:55:39] BitMEX_Greg : Yes we need to follow up with Quoine and ask them what happened
[2016-08-02 19:55:55] Bacon futures trader : funding rate = -0,0649
[2016-08-02 19:56:02] nip : BitMEX_Greg: can you reinstate my position?
[2016-08-02 19:56:15] Bacon futures trader : does that mean you get payed if you are long or short?
[2016-08-02 19:56:21] BitMEX_Greg : Seems 2000 XBT pushed it there. I think at the time there were wide spreads
[2016-08-02 19:56:26] nip : that is ridiculous to expect me to lose tens of BTC because of that mark problem
[2016-08-02 19:56:26] elmorte : long gets paid if <0
[2016-08-02 19:56:28] CaptainDean : for long
[2016-08-02 19:56:49] Bacon futures trader : Alright thanks
[2016-08-02 19:56:50] CaptainDean : @nip i aggree
[2016-08-02 19:56:58] bernx : I just open Vodka. Nice day
[2016-08-02 19:57:25] BitMEX_Greg : nip: Nip can you send us a support ticket. I need to follow up with the partners
[2016-08-02 19:57:55] bernx : 4 reports coming in from @Bitfinex users on @whalepool chat who say they have had funds hacked even though they use 2FA
[2016-08-02 19:59:45] willybot : BitMEX_Greg: how can we tell total p/l?
[2016-08-02 20:00:23] elmorte : probably why they said wallets got hacked and not accounts
[2016-08-02 20:00:46] BitMEX_Greg : willybot: What do you mean by that? Are you looking for pnl on your positions?
[2016-08-02 20:00:59] BitMEX_Greg : I heard that some bitgo addresses got hacked too
[2016-08-02 20:01:22] willybot : BitMEX_Greg: im withdrawing funds and have the PNL figure up too
[2016-08-02 20:01:51] willybot : getting use to this site its confusing
[2016-08-02 20:02:28] BitMEX_Greg : What Pnl figure are you trying to see
[2016-08-02 20:02:29] willybot : BitMEX_Greg: is my pending PNL seperate to my pending withdrawal?
[2016-08-02 20:02:32] blackwhite : rapidtrades: did BFX annihinate all positions?
[2016-08-02 20:02:38] habibi : BitMEX_Sam: can u adjust mark price so it can follow price at all? xbj
[2016-08-02 20:02:48] blackwhite : fun
[2016-08-02 20:02:53] rapidtrades : blackwhite: they just shut down everything
[2016-08-02 20:03:07] nip : "At the time of liquidation, the contract was marked at 53790.3 and you were long 12500 contracts."
[2016-08-02 20:03:12] blackwhite : rapidtrades: do you hedge your positrion now or waht
[2016-08-02 20:03:38] rapidtrades : now? i already shorted extra at 600
[2016-08-02 20:03:53] Rado : rapidtrades: nice
[2016-08-02 20:04:12] blackwhite : i assume you were short on Bfx before fun, and added short here after?
[2016-08-02 20:04:28] rapidtrades : yes and added on btce
[2016-08-02 20:04:30] BitMEX_Greg : willybot: If you have open positions you have pnl. This will be shown in the position tab. Are you referring to the differences between realised and unrealised pnl?
[2016-08-02 20:04:49] blackwhite : kind of awkward if they destory all positions or not all positions
[2016-08-02 20:05:06] rapidtrades : yeah most shorts are there so it wont be pretty
[2016-08-02 20:05:19] rapidtrades : they claim it will only be affected accounts
[2016-08-02 20:05:54] rapidtrades : 'We will not be processing any deposits or withdrawals until we complete our investigation of what happened and figure out all the details for relaunch'
[2016-08-02 20:06:02] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 150 @ 567.06
[2016-08-02 20:06:08] willybot : BitMEX_Greg: my pending positions awaiting settlement. Combined that is my profit yes? and seperate is my withdrwal yes?
[2016-08-02 20:06:12] rapidtrades : could take days considering their incompetence
[2016-08-02 20:06:18] blackwhite : ouch
[2016-08-02 20:06:34] blackwhite : you recommended them to me as i remember
[2016-08-02 20:06:50] Skitrx : can't believe people are buying
[2016-08-02 20:06:58] Skitrx : with the incoming shitstorm
[2016-08-02 20:07:03] rapidtrades : At this time we don't have an ETA for relaunch, apologies
[2016-08-02 20:07:21] blackwhite : so now you trust btce. when will be the okc turn to gain ur faith, rapid?
[2016-08-02 20:07:48] rapidtrades : never its a fake market
[2016-08-02 20:07:51] chromaticcr1 : did woodchipper send some guy over here to take this thing down lol
[2016-08-02 20:08:27] BTCDJS : rapidtrades: this is a Finex address 34MFLubfbcqtYjsw7a3GTxKXr6vPNe2xFa
[2016-08-02 20:08:46] blackwhite : intrigue! intrigue!
[2016-08-02 20:08:58] rapidtrades : BTCDJS: cool so they start with 3
[2016-08-02 20:09:17] blackwhite : Skitrx: i want to buy a bit lower. Am i normal?
[2016-08-02 20:09:31] jesperf : all bitcoin addresses must start with 1 or 3.
[2016-08-02 20:09:32] BTCDJS : Dono. Maybe they start with 34M
[2016-08-02 20:09:51] BitMEX_Greg : willybot: Your withdrawals are separate to your pnl
[2016-08-02 20:10:25] blackwhite : Skitrx: Like at 520. Do you approve my intention?
[2016-08-02 20:11:09] willybot : BitMEX_Greg: confirmed
[2016-08-02 20:11:16] Skitrx : dunno why you're asking me but 520 sounds a lot safer
[2016-08-02 20:12:09] macios15 : bottom for now
[2016-08-02 20:12:12] macios15 : guys
[2016-08-02 20:12:31] rapidtrades : isn't this a second hack of finex?
[2016-08-02 20:12:39] rapidtrades : they lost 1mil few years ago
[2016-08-02 20:12:45] Rado : yes
[2016-08-02 20:12:56] rapidtrades : jan 2015 was it?
[2016-08-02 20:13:03] Skitrx : the language they are using indicates this is worse
[2016-08-02 20:13:11] Skitrx : "we did not lose most or nearly all of the coins"
[2016-08-02 20:13:26] jesperf : we did not not screw up
[2016-08-02 20:13:26] Skitrx : how cryptic lol
[2016-08-02 20:13:35] Rado : https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/breaking-bitcoin-exchange-bitfinex-hot-wallet-hacked/
[2016-08-02 20:14:22] macios15 : Rado: looks not that bad
[2016-08-02 20:15:07] CaptainDean : so guys, are we going down or up from here ? i vote down
[2016-08-02 20:15:12] elmorte : to the moon!
[2016-08-02 20:15:19] CaptainDean : haha :D
[2016-08-02 20:15:32] Skitrx : moon is falling
[2016-08-02 20:15:38] wotan : up
[2016-08-02 20:15:42] jesperf : I think it's an overreaction
[2016-08-02 20:15:46] CaptainDean : and why are we 5$ over the market price ?
[2016-08-02 20:15:48] wotan : i think too
[2016-08-02 20:15:53] jesperf : it's bad news, but buttfinex is not the end of the world
[2016-08-02 20:16:09] macios15 : finex will recover
[2016-08-02 20:16:10] wotan : but let
[2016-08-02 20:18:14] wotan : lets see
[2016-08-02 20:19:22] johndoe : so glad i left finex to come here after their last site-shutdown
[2016-08-02 20:19:42] Skitrx : big sells on huobi
[2016-08-02 20:20:20] rapidtrades : No it did not. We are still evaluating the scope of the consequences arising from the hack'
[2016-08-02 20:20:52] rapidtrades : they have to clue how big it is
[2016-08-02 20:21:04] Rado : not many liquidations on ETC
[2016-08-02 20:21:13] wurstgelee : lets hard fork btc to bail out finex
[2016-08-02 20:21:24] wurstgelee : that worked great for eth
[2016-08-02 20:21:37] Rado : lol
[2016-08-02 20:21:47] Rado : that will be a disaster
[2016-08-02 20:23:55] blackwhite : does btce have margin trading?
[2016-08-02 20:24:08] rapidtrades : yes it does
[2016-08-02 20:24:09] muirtastic : It sounds like they may just tell the customers who got hacked "tough luck" and carry on with operations. They are saying the customers got hacked, not Bitfinex.
[2016-08-02 20:24:21] rapidtrades : they're not saying that
[2016-08-02 20:24:35] muirtastic : Yes BTCe has margin trading through their metratrader 4 platform
[2016-08-02 20:25:07] Adura : Bitfinex really is a mini-mtgox...
[2016-08-02 20:25:20] muirtastic : They are implying that. "but we know that some of our users have had their bitcoins stolen. " They didn't say "our site got hacked and we lost BTC".
[2016-08-02 20:25:29] muirtastic : I know it's semantics
[2016-08-02 20:25:31] Skitrx : bitfinex allows insider trading, what do you expect
[2016-08-02 20:25:45] Skitrx : i wouldn't be suprised if they enabled shorts for their accounts before they resume trading
[2016-08-02 20:26:18] muirtastic : I need to spread my funds around more between here and okc and btce and finex. Just spread the risk around more evenly. Right now I just have funds on finex and here
[2016-08-02 20:26:32] muirtastic : But fiat on finex so may be ok there....or not
[2016-08-02 20:26:51] muirtastic : But this hack is good for BitMEX. It will get use more volume here and more liquidity.
[2016-08-02 20:26:54] rapidtrades : they're saying only btc wallets are affected
[2016-08-02 20:29:43] rapidtrades : they didn't even sent an email
[2016-08-02 20:31:16] wurstgelee : more information coming in
[2016-08-02 20:31:18] wurstgelee : slowly....
[2016-08-02 20:31:19] elmorte : Statuspage.io did
[2016-08-02 20:31:24] wurstgelee : apparently its bitgo related
[2016-08-02 20:32:48] yerb : BitMEX_Greg: did you fix the spot price?
[2016-08-02 20:33:10] justinlooking : sleger: u mean the michael casey letter?
[2016-08-02 20:33:53] sleger : yes
[2016-08-02 20:34:12] ayy_lmao : jebus911
[2016-08-02 20:34:13] ayy_lmao : where are you
[2016-08-02 20:38:02] Skitrx : https://www.reddit.com/user/zanetackett#page=1
[2016-08-02 20:38:10] Skitrx : doesn't look good judging by his answers
[2016-08-02 20:38:32] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETC7D`: Buy 250 @ 0.005672
[2016-08-02 20:38:37] johndoe : "We don't use cold storage, every user has their own segregated bitcoin wallet."
[2016-08-02 20:39:19] Skitrx : "Your account being compromised isn't exactly the same as the bitcoin being withdrawn, but yes it does mean that the bitcoin held in your wallet have been withdrawn."
[2016-08-02 20:45:06] johndoe : "We have one private key that we use to sign transactions, bitgo then has a key that they use to sign transactions, and there's one key that's kept in cold storage."
[2016-08-02 20:45:12] BitMEX_Greg : yerb: Which price are you referring to
[2016-08-02 20:45:30] yerb : BitMEX_Greg: mark price
[2016-08-02 20:46:28] yerb : i went short on XBTUSD and it almost liquidated me because mark price wasnt accurate
[2016-08-02 20:47:04] yerb : can you use bustamp price for spor/mark?
[2016-08-02 20:47:08] BitMEX_Greg : yerb: The Kaiko Index has removed Bitfinex
[2016-08-02 20:47:20] BitMEX_Sam : It's Bitstamp/OKC
[2016-08-02 20:47:22] yerb : oh, ok
[2016-08-02 20:47:30] BitMEX_Sam : https://kaiko.com/bitmex
[2016-08-02 20:47:32] yerb : thanx
[2016-08-02 20:48:48] BitMEX_Greg : The page should be updated later. But essentially Bitfinex's weight will be spread proportionately amongst Bitstamp and OkCoin
[2016-08-02 20:48:59] BitMEX_Greg : OKC rather
[2016-08-02 20:49:16] RoftheN : What happened to LSK orderbook?
[2016-08-02 20:50:37] aethlios : BitMEX_Greg: https://www.bitmex.com/app/index/.ETHXBTPI is not in %
[2016-08-02 20:50:56] aethlios : BitMEX_Greg: https://www.bitmex.com/app/index/.XBTUSDPI is in %
[2016-08-02 20:53:34] BitMEX_Greg : aethlios: Thanks will look into it
[2016-08-02 20:56:22] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETC7D`: Buy 167 @ 0.005943
[2016-08-02 20:56:22] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETC7D`: Buy 221 @ 0.005959
[2016-08-02 20:59:37] Skitrx : holy crap etc
[2016-08-02 21:00:16] jesperf : I shake my head in disbelief
[2016-08-02 21:00:24] jesperf : and also slap it
[2016-08-02 21:00:33] wurstgelee : nope
[2016-08-02 21:00:37] wurstgelee : 1:2 soon
[2016-08-02 21:02:56] johndoe : 38% etc/eth prices
[2016-08-02 21:03:30] justinlooking : jd: https://poloniex.com/exchange#eth_etc 41%!
[2016-08-02 21:03:47] justinlooking : 42.5%..
[2016-08-02 21:03:50] johndoe : ETC / ETH price (USD) = 3.33 / 8.72 = 38.21 % ETC / ETH hashrate (GH/s) = 914 / 3,535 = 25.87 %
[2016-08-02 21:03:58] johndoe : https://slacknation.github.io/medium/13/13.html
[2016-08-02 21:04:04] wurstgelee : 1:2 any minute
[2016-08-02 21:04:07] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETC7D`: Buy 3010 @ 0.006463
[2016-08-02 21:04:17] wurstgelee : waiting for it ever since etc started @ polo :=)
[2016-08-02 21:05:19] wurstgelee : omg
[2016-08-02 21:05:21] wurstgelee : fomo
[2016-08-02 21:09:12] Skitrx : jesus eth 14
[2016-08-02 21:09:22] REKT : Liquidated long on `LSKXBT`: Sell 6195 @ 0.000334
[2016-08-02 21:10:37] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC7D`: Sell 1000 @ 0.006156
[2016-08-02 21:10:37] REKT : Liquidated long on `LSKXBT`: Sell 50 @ 0.000334
[2016-08-02 21:10:52] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 50 @ 0.01366
[2016-08-02 21:20:37] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 100 @ 0.01465
[2016-08-02 21:20:37] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 1000 @ 0.01452
[2016-08-02 21:22:53] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 119403 @ 560.10 **REKTosaurus** :slot_machine: :moneybag: :fire:
[2016-08-02 21:26:03] jesperf : weirdest tuesday everrrrrrr
[2016-08-02 21:26:11] Rado : no shit
[2016-08-02 21:26:15] Rado : it's crazy
[2016-08-02 21:27:01] wurstgelee : tbh i love it
[2016-08-02 21:27:13] wurstgelee : but probably only because i have no funds @ finex (or had=)
[2016-08-02 21:28:07] jesperf : the only places i trust my bitcoins is here and kraken
[2016-08-02 21:28:18] MrRGnome : I'm crying into my spilt milk. I really need a correction on etc, any correction will do.
[2016-08-02 21:28:20] jesperf : possibly the only two actors in crypto who know what they're doing
[2016-08-02 21:28:52] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC7D`: Sell 1000 @ 0.005777
[2016-08-02 21:29:01] jesperf : oooh yeah some blood now please
[2016-08-02 21:29:04] MrRGnome : oh this could be my chance!!!
[2016-08-02 21:29:42] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 2 @ 559.61 :punch: :whale:
[2016-08-02 21:30:07] jesperf : MrRGnome: how do you know when to buy in? ;)
[2016-08-02 21:30:20] MrRGnome : Well, don't take my advice because I am getting murdered
[2016-08-02 21:30:32] MrRGnome : but I have been cost averaging my shorts on etc
[2016-08-02 21:30:43] MrRGnome : so I look at my entry price to know where my break even point is
[2016-08-02 21:31:22] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 1572 @ 559.55
[2016-08-02 21:31:22] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 20000 @ 559.40 **MEGA-REKT** :boom:
[2016-08-02 21:31:59] jesperf : I think it's actually impossible to trade this kind of 24h volatility
[2016-08-02 21:32:01] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 1000 @ 558.83
[2016-08-02 21:32:01] REKT : Next stop - goblin town!
[2016-08-02 21:32:01] Lorix : jesperf: BitMex are derivative contracts, so it pays to look at the source on other exchanges to get a handle on the volumes involved
[2016-08-02 21:32:51] jesperf : Lorix: no exchange discloses their source code
[2016-08-02 21:32:56] lockhedge : is bitfinex now suspending trading every time the market dumps >5%?
[2016-08-02 21:33:08] MrRGnome : volume is amount traded not source code. Gives you an idea of the market size
[2016-08-02 21:33:09] Lorix : jesperf: Of course not.
[2016-08-02 21:33:49] jesperf : trading volume only tells you how many fools they have in their net
[2016-08-02 21:34:07] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 100513 @ 558.42 **REKTosaurus** :slot_machine: :moneybag: :fire:
[2016-08-02 21:34:12] jesperf : since bitfinex was a major place for US citizens to trade, of course they had many customers
[2016-08-02 21:34:17] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 150 @ 556.61
[2016-08-02 21:34:30] ibtcx100 : so finex lost 120k btc?
[2016-08-02 21:34:37] jesperf : does not mean shit about their routines and security
[2016-08-02 21:34:42] Lorix : jesperf: True, but it also lets you see where their net hasn't covered so you can cast your own out and pick up some fish of your own
[2016-08-02 21:35:30] justinlooking : ironic all the fud about coinbase, and now this
[2016-08-02 21:35:53] kogroken : https://www.reddit.com/r/BitcoinMarkets/comments/4vqmz9/daily_discussion_tuesday_august_02_2016/d61kz0q Some 100k BTC were moved out from multisig addresses at the time of the hack (bfx and bitgo used multisig addresses)
[2016-08-02 21:36:39] Lorix : kogroken: Ouch and ETH/ETC thought they had hacker problems....
[2016-08-02 21:36:49] MrRGnome : This is the second time in just over a month that bfx issues have caused a collapse in btc price
[2016-08-02 21:37:12] kogroken : Well, it's only 1/6 of the mtgox hack!
[2016-08-02 21:37:49] MrRGnome : Is it really that large? Someone was saying only 0.5% of their btc was taken. That's not accurate?
[2016-08-02 21:37:51] ax : only this time its a justified collapse, last time was just fear
[2016-08-02 21:38:12] BitMEX_Sam : MrRGnome: No, 0.5% was last year's ahck
[2016-08-02 21:38:13] kogroken : MrRGnome: The 0.5% was from an earlier hack IIRC
[2016-08-02 21:38:15] BitMEX_Sam : hack*
[2016-08-02 21:38:22] BitMEX_Sam : It's not looking good re: the multisig addr moves
[2016-08-02 21:38:42] Lorix : kogroken: Depending on the hacker's next move altcoins like DASH and ETH/ETC may be the ones to look at since they would give a prospective hacker an easy tumbling route
[2016-08-02 21:38:54] justinlooking : unless it was a calculated damage limitation sweep or sth
[2016-08-02 21:39:01] MrRGnome : That's pretty upsetting, and the funds aren't insured. Sounds like we're in for a sustained collapse while price recovers
[2016-08-02 21:39:04] ax : lets fork bitcoin to stop this attacker tbh
[2016-08-02 21:39:16] justinlooking : lol gl
[2016-08-02 21:40:00] Lorix : ax: many a true world spoken in jest....
[2016-08-02 21:40:10] Skitrx : $60,000,000 stolen
[2016-08-02 21:40:19] Lorix : Skitrx: HOLY #$#@!
[2016-08-02 21:40:25] MrRGnome : Skitrx: Unbelievable
[2016-08-02 21:40:32] BitMEX_Sam : Could be correct
[2016-08-02 21:40:36] ax : why would you steal 100k though, no way they can launder and cash it out. couldve gotten away with a smaller amy
[2016-08-02 21:40:38] ax : amt
[2016-08-02 21:40:54] Lorix : ax: Actually you can, you just have to be paitent
[2016-08-02 21:41:01] BitMEX_Sam : If you're in an exchange's wallets, you take everything you can then use it as leverage
[2016-08-02 21:41:20] jesperf : Skitrx: nah man, only around $55 million now
[2016-08-02 21:41:20] BitMEX_Sam : If 100k BTC were really stolen, yes, that is very hard to sell, but it's also massive leverage in a negotiation
[2016-08-02 21:41:39] Skitrx : jesperf: phew, crisis averted
[2016-08-02 21:41:45] ax : a negotiation to what goal? as if the exchange will let them cash out a part of it? lmao
[2016-08-02 21:41:47] Lorix : BitMEX_Sam: Not to mention if the hacker had shorted BTC just before they executed their heist
[2016-08-02 21:41:55] BitMEX_Sam : ax: Exactly
[2016-08-02 21:42:08] BitMEX_Sam : Both parties could reach a mutually beneficial agreement
[2016-08-02 21:42:22] BitMEX_Sam : All speculation of course but that could be a possibility in this situation
[2016-08-02 21:42:38] Skitrx : the only beneficial option for the hacker would be to remain anonymous
[2016-08-02 21:42:44] Skitrx : and slowly sell the btc
[2016-08-02 21:43:07] Lorix : BitMEX_Sam: There is also the "inside job" possibility a-la Shapeshift. Unfortunately they don't have the same damage limits SS had
[2016-08-02 21:43:27] MrRGnome : I think the most likely thing to happen is this halving bubble is ended, we'll consolidate at a much lower price for a number of months, and I expect another bubble within the year, maybe sooner.
[2016-08-02 21:44:03] ax : wouldnt the exchange have to knowingly break KYC/AML laws to let an attacker cash out to an obviously fake identity?
[2016-08-02 21:44:33] BitMEX_Sam : That would create an opportunity to track the person, yes... if an attacker negotiates he opens himself up big time
[2016-08-02 21:45:00] Lorix : ax: Which is why fractional spinoff is the likely route
[2016-08-02 21:45:07] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 99260 @ 556.08 **EPIC REKT** :unamused: :confounded: :astonished:
[2016-08-02 21:45:17] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 200 @ 555.65
[2016-08-02 21:46:01] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 1000 @ 555.47
[2016-08-02 21:46:12] jesperf : rapidtrades must be out partying, he told me to short bitcoin more
[2016-08-02 21:46:14] jesperf : I didn't
[2016-08-02 21:46:27] MrRGnome : BitMEX_Sam: Knowing as you guys do that leveraged exchanges like yours are the likely profit vehicle for hackers speculating before their heists - do you ever run any correlation checking algorithms to help identify possible attackers? Or is that anti-thetical to your hands off approach?
[2016-08-02 21:46:53] BitMEX_Sam : MrRGnome: I really can't comment on that sort of thing
[2016-08-02 21:47:04] MrRGnome : That's fair enough.
[2016-08-02 21:48:12] Lorix : MrRGnome: Leveraging is more where the money is in this sort of situation
[2016-08-02 21:49:03] Lorix : MrRGnome: A hacker just places whatever leverage he likes just before he does his thing. Then cashes out the "clean" profits and still have the stolen BTC for later
[2016-08-02 21:50:26] jesperf : you mean like the ETC fork?
[2016-08-02 21:50:27] jesperf : :D
[2016-08-02 21:50:32] MrRGnome : Yeah, i know that @Lorix . it's possible for trading platforms to run algorithms that check for unusual trading activity and correlations to hacks on other exchange. These algorithms can identify potential suspects for criminal investigation purposes.
[2016-08-02 21:50:33] CrazyEarner : I see etc going to 0.01 shortly
[2016-08-02 21:50:57] MrRGnome : CrazyEarner: It better not. It better not even try. I'll cry.
[2016-08-02 21:50:59] jesperf : CrazyEarner: that's crazy talk. I see it going to 0.001
[2016-08-02 21:51:29] CrazyEarner : MrRGnome: why are you at a loss?
[2016-08-02 21:51:54] MrRGnome : Yeah I am, I put myself in a bad bad spot and didn't see this speculative etc bubble being what it is
[2016-08-02 21:52:01] MrRGnome : Made the mistake of trading on fundamentals
[2016-08-02 21:52:25] jesperf : BitMEX_Sam: estimated liquidation price is not working when you use cross margin?
[2016-08-02 21:52:28] CrazyEarner : Not good at all
[2016-08-02 21:52:37] MrRGnome : I've been cost averaging shorts since 0.0038, currently I'm short at about 0.0055
[2016-08-02 21:52:59] BitMEX_Sam : jesperf: Haven't had any issues
[2016-08-02 21:53:16] Lorix : MrRGnome: Yep, but a smart hacker doesn't necessarily have to be a greedy one and fly under the radar. Still, you make a valid point
[2016-08-02 21:53:40] jesperf : BitMEX_Sam: it gives me values of infinity or zero, depending on short or long
[2016-08-02 21:53:47] MrRGnome : Lorix: Oh yeah it's no for sure way to catch the bad guy, just a way to check for obvious suspects if the bad guy was dumb.
[2016-08-02 21:53:53] CrazyEarner : i did long untill 0.006 gone short till the last red and gone long again
[2016-08-02 21:54:07] MrRGnome : CrazyEarner: Well I'm jealous.
[2016-08-02 21:54:11] jesperf : BitMEX_Sam: I mean before opening a position
[2016-08-02 21:54:26] CrazyEarner : You just need be right timing fella :)
[2016-08-02 21:54:55] CrazyEarner : made 30% on last drop down and in red by 5% now and creeping into green aagain
[2016-08-02 21:55:13] Lorix : MrRGnome: That said, hackers have gotten a lot smarter in recent years. Also, given the amount involved this is going to be all over the mainstream business news in the next 48 hours
[2016-08-02 21:55:34] MrRGnome : Yeah, we are likely to see another round of selling before consolidation sad to say
[2016-08-02 21:55:49] MrRGnome : That news is going to be killer in the next 24 hours
[2016-08-02 21:56:04] Lorix : MrRGnome: Selling and/or flight to altcoins
[2016-08-02 21:56:24] BitMEX_Sam : jesperf: depending on the size of your position, that number may be correct
[2016-08-02 21:56:28] BitMEX_Sam : It is just an estimate, though
[2016-08-02 21:57:13] jesperf : BitMEX_Sam: but it's the same, no matter what order quantity I throw at it
[2016-08-02 21:58:19] justinlooking : jesperf: u r the chosen one
[2016-08-02 21:58:29] justinlooking : bitcoin's own PPT
[2016-08-02 21:58:32] BTCVIX : brace yourselves gentlemen
[2016-08-02 21:58:43] MrRGnome : *braces*
[2016-08-02 21:58:47] BTCVIX : thankfully bitmex is still up
[2016-08-02 21:59:37] jordanbitfort : what will market effect be when bfx comes back? major dumpage?
[2016-08-02 22:00:11] MrRGnome : I've always really appreciated this sites reliability and account security practices. I only wish they would allow me to hold a necessary multisig key to withdraw in any way. Avoid keeping the authority to transfer coins themselves so they don't end up like bfx
[2016-08-02 22:01:15] mike1000 : BitMEX_Sam: today on ETC with 5x levrg estimated liq. price was like 2x different than real liq. price after buy-in, ~3500 vs 4100 for long pos, how is that?
[2016-08-02 22:02:08] zanza : were you on cross or isolated?
[2016-08-02 22:02:29] wurstgelee : how is the index for XBT calculated atm?
[2016-08-02 22:02:34] mike1000 : isolated 5x
[2016-08-02 22:02:49] wurstgelee : nvm
[2016-08-02 22:04:12] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 10 @ 553.41
[2016-08-02 22:04:18] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 211000 @ 552.45 **REKTosaurus** :slot_machine: :moneybag: :fire:
[2016-08-02 22:04:41] zanza : holy fc today
[2016-08-02 22:04:48] zanza : is a day for the memories
[2016-08-02 22:04:55] dasdfasdf : what is happening
[2016-08-02 22:05:14] MrRGnome : bfx hack/speculative bubble on etc
[2016-08-02 22:06:50] wurstgelee : such fun for trading, so much drama as well
[2016-08-02 22:07:07] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 600 @ 551.68
[2016-08-02 22:07:07] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 11500 @ 551.40
[2016-08-02 22:07:29] MrRGnome : pretty stressful trading if you're in the red, but some huge opportunities out there.
[2016-08-02 22:07:36] johndoe : man, 5am already, but how can you go asleep on day like this
[2016-08-02 22:07:55] mike1000 : so many rekts, everyone's having fun all the way up to 50x
[2016-08-02 22:08:01] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTU16`: Sell 598 @ 596.34
[2016-08-02 22:08:15] zanza : should be Rollback Bitcoin? for finex hack
[2016-08-02 22:08:22] wurstgelee : ofc
[2016-08-02 22:08:22] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTU16`: Sell 5181 @ 596.10
[2016-08-02 22:08:26] MrRGnome : Someone assure me that etc will crash at some point soon so I can blame them if it doesn't instead of myself.
[2016-08-02 22:08:37] wurstgelee : trading post-fork BTCC will be awesome
[2016-08-02 22:08:51] wurstgelee : MrRGnome: 1:2 first
[2016-08-02 22:08:55] wurstgelee : then crash maybe
[2016-08-02 22:08:56] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-08-02 22:09:56] MrRGnome : =( I only need it to visit 0.005. Then you can go back to bubble, I promise.
[2016-08-02 22:09:57] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTU16`: Sell 10000 @ 594.05
[2016-08-02 22:10:08] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 1480 @ 547.78
[2016-08-02 22:10:18] wurstgelee : MrRGnome: i doubt it, btc down, etc up
[2016-08-02 22:10:21] wurstgelee : its simple as that
[2016-08-02 22:10:24] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-08-02 22:10:36] CrazyEarner : Would be intresting if ETC goes past btc value
[2016-08-02 22:10:41] wurstgelee : haha
[2016-08-02 22:10:52] wurstgelee : not happening but funny thought
[2016-08-02 22:11:02] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 1 @ 547.34 :punch: :whale:
[2016-08-02 22:11:43] mike1000 : early this year there were predictions of #200 for ETH, bwfore all the forking
[2016-08-02 22:11:43] MrRGnome : I can't imagine etc having any fundamental value at all until it has some significant development behind it and eth has fallen much more in hash rate. This is all just speculative gambling IMO, and I expect it to switch directions at some point.
[2016-08-02 22:11:46] CrazyEarner : well if volume on eth keeps crashing and increasing on etc who knows
[2016-08-02 22:12:05] CrazyEarner : yeah everyone moving hash over
[2016-08-02 22:12:13] zanza : Manual withdrawal like BitMEX is the way to go
[2016-08-02 22:12:14] CrazyEarner : and theris no apps that work on any of them
[2016-08-02 22:12:18] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 2 @ 545.03 :punch: :whale:
[2016-08-02 22:12:18] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 4 @ 545.08 :punch: :whale:
[2016-08-02 22:12:26] zanza : why risk so many eggs in 1 basket with automated withdrawal?
[2016-08-02 22:12:28] CrazyEarner : HERE COME THE 6S AGAIN :)
[2016-08-02 22:12:45] MrRGnome : naaahhhh Crazy, you crazy.
[2016-08-02 22:13:01] CrazyEarner : I dont get the name for nadda lol
[2016-08-02 22:13:40] CrazyEarner : had loads peope ask to buy my bitcointalk account had crazy offers for it being one on somones birthday and 2 different lol
[2016-08-02 22:13:52] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTU16`: Sell 199 @ 588.79
[2016-08-02 22:14:10] CrazyEarner : 50 satoshi more to 6s
[2016-08-02 22:14:29] CrazyEarner : or point lol 1500 contract do i gobble lol
[2016-08-02 22:14:38] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 20000 @ 541.83 **MEGA-REKT** :boom:
[2016-08-02 22:14:42] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 12740 @ 540.93
[2016-08-02 22:14:47] wurstgelee : ouch btc
[2016-08-02 22:14:53] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 36000 @ 539.79 **MEGA-REKT** :boom:
[2016-08-02 22:14:53] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 232 @ 539.80
[2016-08-02 22:15:02] CrazyEarner : BTC price was expected to tank down again
[2016-08-02 22:15:19] wurstgelee : ofc, i am not unhappy about it atm
[2016-08-02 22:15:20] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-08-02 22:15:21] CrazyEarner : 3 years happend before and 4th on its rise for dump on value before it goes back up
[2016-08-02 22:15:49] CrazyEarner : I just bought more BTC and put in here and almost 3x what i bought now so am happy for etc to make it possible
[2016-08-02 22:16:13] wurstgelee : speaking of which
[2016-08-02 22:16:18] MrRGnome : I've seen so many conflicting reports of the stolen volume at this point, anyone have anything concrete?
[2016-08-02 22:16:22] wurstgelee : going up again
[2016-08-02 22:16:38] wurstgelee : MrRGnome: up to 125k btc
[2016-08-02 22:16:51] wurstgelee : ~ 75m $
[2016-08-02 22:17:27] MrRGnome : That number is derived from the observation of emptied p2h addresses right?
[2016-08-02 22:17:34] CrazyEarner : MrRGnome: Ignore them and do whats right make own judgemet and see other news too I read the bitmex eport before for etc loved it
[2016-08-02 22:18:16] CrazyEarner : BitMEX_Sam: Loved the reports you guys sent out before summed up etc eth and dao to a T
[2016-08-02 22:18:34] BitMEX_Sam : CrazyEarner: :+1:
[2016-08-02 22:18:47] BitMEX_Sam : mike1000: Looking into that calculation
[2016-08-02 22:19:47] wurstgelee : MrRGnome: derived from Bitgo wallret transactions today
[2016-08-02 22:20:07] MrRGnome : wurstgelee: thanks
[2016-08-02 22:20:54] CrazyEarner : BitMEX_Sam: Will Bitmex ever do fiat currency cashout options in fture or sticking to as is
[2016-08-02 22:21:22] BitMEX_Sam : CrazyEarner: Unlikely to do fiat for quite some time
[2016-08-02 22:21:26] zanza : not for a while i would guess
[2016-08-02 22:21:43] zanza : BitMEX_Sam: how awful is Bitfinex programm/coding team, on a scale of 1-7 ?
[2016-08-02 22:21:44] BitMEX_Sam : It adds very significant complexity to the business and we want to maintain focus
[2016-08-02 22:21:59] BitMEX_Sam : zanza: π
[2016-08-02 22:22:03] zanza : :)
[2016-08-02 22:22:30] zanza : Finex should have just bought this site a while back