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[2016-07-26 13:55:18] aethlios : strong millionaires in crypto, moving millions like nothing.
[2016-07-26 13:56:00] rapidtrades : how do whales benefit from margin calling anyone
[2016-07-26 13:57:21] aethlios : rapidtrades: they buy sell on your margin call order, wipe out your maintenance margin
[2016-07-26 14:02:55] rapidtrades : i find that very hard to believe
[2016-07-26 14:03:18] rapidtrades : what does buy sell even mean
[2016-07-26 14:03:39] rapidtrades : loool who's selling 150k
[2016-07-26 14:03:52] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC24H`: Sell 300 @ 0.003441
[2016-07-26 14:04:25] aethlios : rapidtrades: when you get margin called polo places an order to close your position above or below spot and uses all your maintenance margin which is very high.
[2016-07-26 14:04:30] rapidtrades : man this bitch went up 5x
[2016-07-26 14:04:54] aethlios : rapidtrades: if you are a whale and move 50 mill in a day and make 5%, it is 2.5 mill.
[2016-07-26 14:04:55] rapidtrades : it almost doubled from here we thought we missed out
[2016-07-26 14:05:25] rapidtrades : aethlios: ur not making any sense...what do whales have with polo margin
[2016-07-26 14:06:06] rapidtrades : that price jump should bring in new miners
[2016-07-26 14:06:17] rapidtrades : new miners should bring in higher prices etc
[2016-07-26 14:07:05] rapidtrades : at what point will the vitalik mafia attack it tho
[2016-07-26 14:09:27] bmxalgobtc : rapidtrades: if you do not understand what is the point for whales (or anyone) to margin call other traders, you must be trolling or brand new to trading, but since you are 90% of the time on the trollbox, I have to assume it must be the first one ?
[2016-07-26 14:11:05] rapidtrades : explain it to me smartasss
[2016-07-26 14:12:10] bmxalgobtc : waste of time, trolls always find a way to shut down their brains and not understand
[2016-07-26 14:12:37] lockhedge : since when is ETC margin trading possible on polo?
[2016-07-26 14:13:06] bmxalgobtc : who told you it was
[2016-07-26 14:13:57] lockhedge : "aethlios: margin call both long and shorts, that's the whales job"
[2016-07-26 14:14:39] bmxalgobtc : i dont see neither ETC nor polo in that sentence
[2016-07-26 14:15:22] bmxalgobtc : if you read his mind and that is what he meant then you should spank him
[2016-07-26 14:15:54] rapidtrades : bmxalgobtc: so ur just dumb
[2016-07-26 14:16:12] bmxalgobtc : typical troll reaction to well formed arguments
[2016-07-26 14:16:16] rapidtrades : hurr durr muh order got margin called by teh wahels
[2016-07-26 14:16:31] rapidtrades : YOU DIDN'T PRESENT ANY ARGUMENTS U TWAT
[2016-07-26 14:17:01] bmxalgobtc : yes I did argue that you were a troll, and you proved me right
[2016-07-26 14:17:13] rapidtrades : k
[2016-07-26 14:17:35] bmxalgobtc : and aethlios already answered your original question when he said "wipe out your maintenance margin"
[2016-07-26 14:18:03] rapidtrades : that margin goes to the exchange not the whales
[2016-07-26 14:19:29] bmxalgobtc : not if the order cannot be executed at market price within the maintenance margin dummy
[2016-07-26 14:21:32] rapidtrades : all exchanges use limits so ur point is moot, dummy
[2016-07-26 14:21:54] bmxalgobtc : i said market price, never talked about market order dummy
[2016-07-26 14:22:24] bmxalgobtc : go think about it for 5 minutes then come back
[2016-07-26 14:22:28] ayy_lmao : time to call in the bitmex squad to settle this
[2016-07-26 14:22:30] ayy_lmao : lol
[2016-07-26 14:22:34] rapidtrades : does anyone have a clue what he's talking about
[2016-07-26 14:22:46] rapidtrades : he's like a rambling idiot
[2016-07-26 14:23:05] wurstgelee : vice versa tbh
[2016-07-26 14:23:18] rapidtrades : IM JUST ASKING QUESTIONS MAN
[2016-07-26 14:23:31] bmxalgobtc : but you're not able to comprehend the answers
[2016-07-26 14:23:33] wurstgelee : an all the questions were answered
[2016-07-26 14:23:37] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-07-26 14:23:38] rapidtrades : noone has given me a good explanation
[2016-07-26 14:23:48] bmxalgobtc : yes 2 people so far, cf above
[2016-07-26 14:23:48] BitMEX_Wally : Do you have a question about BitMEX?
[2016-07-26 14:23:48] rapidtrades : how does a whale make money
[2016-07-26 14:23:51] wurstgelee : google for explanations. the answers were given
[2016-07-26 14:24:05] rapidtrades : all i hear is wine wine wine
[2016-07-26 14:24:13] wurstgelee : because you cant comprehend
[2016-07-26 14:24:14] wurstgelee : =)
[2016-07-26 14:24:18] rapidtrades : obv
[2016-07-26 14:24:41] mrp1nk : rapidtrades: i'll try. assume you buy the top on quarterlies, then price goes down, you get liquidated and the whale closes his short by buying your liquidation
[2016-07-26 14:24:46] wurstgelee : we all know how much u love reading...so go on..google & read ;)
[2016-07-26 14:25:47] rapidtrades : mrp1nk: ok that makes sense...problem is u have to control the market to be able to do that
[2016-07-26 14:25:53] lockhedge : when i'm grown up i'll become an ethereum classic whale
[2016-07-26 14:26:09] bmxalgobtc : mrp1nk: you made it too easy...
[2016-07-26 14:26:10] aethlios : new whales appeared at btc swap, let the big btc battle begin...
[2016-07-26 14:26:11] rapidtrades : and u have to know where stops / margin calls would happen
[2016-07-26 14:26:40] bmxalgobtc : rapidtrades: congratulations on your newly comprehended phenomena !
[2016-07-26 14:26:42] rapidtrades : unless ur an exchange, i don't see how u satisfy my 2 requirements above
[2016-07-26 14:27:24] mrp1nk : rapidtrades: that's a reasonable assumption
[2016-07-26 14:27:49] mrp1nk : another interesting question: how do you make money with a zero fee exchange
[2016-07-26 14:28:01] NukeLaloosh : margin lending
[2016-07-26 14:28:15] bmxalgobtc : mrp1nk: I think he learned enough for today, please stop now
[2016-07-26 14:28:24] mrp1nk : hehe
[2016-07-26 14:28:29] Rado : rapidtrades: why are you even arguing with them
[2016-07-26 14:28:58] Rado : if you pick the wrong direction and get liquidated it's your own fucking fault
[2016-07-26 14:29:28] rapidtrades : are u sure its not the mystical jew whales?
[2016-07-26 14:29:31] bmxalgobtc : how is that even remotely related to the discussion ... ? @Rado
[2016-07-26 14:29:49] rapidtrades : throwing shekels around...
[2016-07-26 14:29:55] mrp1nk : that said, there is no proof that. could be just market and butthurt ppl that invent legends
[2016-07-26 14:30:11] mrp1nk : or conspiracy theories
[2016-07-26 14:30:36] rapidtrades : oh i believe okc is manipulating the shit out of the market...but okc doesn't have eth etc
[2016-07-26 14:31:01] mrp1nk : i thought we're tlaking about the corn
[2016-07-26 14:31:04] rapidtrades : and it prolly can't move bitcoin on its own
[2016-07-26 14:31:15] rapidtrades : what corn lol
[2016-07-26 14:31:23] mrp1nk : bitcorn
[2016-07-26 14:31:41] rapidtrades : nah bitcoin barely moved
[2016-07-26 14:32:23] rapidtrades : it can't margin call anyone :)
[2016-07-26 14:32:57] aethlios : Let's say a thanks to Bitmex for no DPE to ETC24H
[2016-07-26 14:33:15] mrp1nk : regarding okcoin: i have seen it many times that the price reverses when top longers got called, but could be coincidence
[2016-07-26 14:33:23] BitMEX_Sam : :tada:
[2016-07-26 14:33:28] laisee : hey, everyone happy with their free ETC today?
[2016-07-26 14:34:26] laisee : mrp1nk: coincidence is not distributed in equal portions globally ...
[2016-07-26 14:35:26] mrp1nk : laisee: sure, prob is that there is no way to proof that
[2016-07-26 14:35:44] laisee : statistics 101?
[2016-07-26 14:36:06] mrp1nk : doesn't proof it
[2016-07-26 14:36:18] mrp1nk : but yeah, with high probability it is as described before
[2016-07-26 14:36:23] laisee : oh, thats why I got a C in Stats 1010
[2016-07-26 14:37:59] aethlios : is it true bitfinex will add etc??
[2016-07-26 14:38:25] mrp1nk : yes
[2016-07-26 14:38:48] mrp1nk : i have seen pgp saying that in a chat
[2016-07-26 14:40:22] mrp1nk : don't forget to sell the news xD
[2016-07-26 14:40:39] aethlios : btc finex very bullish.
[2016-07-26 14:40:50] mrp1nk : i'm still thinking this will drop hard soon
[2016-07-26 14:41:40] mrp1nk : and by soon i mean very soon
[2016-07-26 14:41:45] justinlooking : mrp1nk: etc?
[2016-07-26 14:41:54] aethlios : if they pump etc to 0.01 and eth dumps to 0.015 then I will trade the spread to widen, short etc and long eth.
[2016-07-26 14:41:55] mrp1nk : jup
[2016-07-26 14:42:02] wurstgelee : dunno tbh
[2016-07-26 14:42:19] wurstgelee : finex add, then this other chinese exchange with y....
[2016-07-26 14:42:24] wurstgelee : the big one...
[2016-07-26 14:42:33] wurstgelee : 3 biggest eth exchanges trade etc then
[2016-07-26 14:42:37] mrp1nk : can't that yobit serious, but yea
[2016-07-26 14:42:41] mrp1nk : take
[2016-07-26 14:42:43] wurstgelee : not yobit
[2016-07-26 14:42:47] wurstgelee : yuo...thing
[2016-07-26 14:42:50] wurstgelee : that other name
[2016-07-26 14:43:08] aethlios : okcoin.com has litecoin future and no eth future with 5x litecoin's market cap.
[2016-07-26 14:43:54] wurstgelee : yuanbao
[2016-07-26 14:43:56] wurstgelee : iirc
[2016-07-26 14:44:11] fineregex : BitMEX_Sam: http://imgur.com/a/Rn8eJ please investigate. price is wrong, liquidation should not have happend (even though barely) :(
[2016-07-26 14:45:00] rapidtrades : i will LOL my ass off if ETC>ETH
[2016-07-26 14:45:12] BitMEX_Sam : fineregex: Please submit a support ticket, not best to broadcast your account details on public chat
[2016-07-26 14:45:30] BitMEX_Sam : The liquidation email will have notified you of your liquidation price and what the mark price was at the time of liquidation.
[2016-07-26 14:45:43] rapidtrades : vitalik#s gang prolly has too much $$$ for that to happen but one can dream :)
[2016-07-26 14:46:47] fineregex : BitMEX_Sam: the price didnt even happen on poloniex
[2016-07-26 14:46:52] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC24H`: Sell 40 @ 0.003195
[2016-07-26 14:46:58] justinlooking : rapid: do u even fork bro?
[2016-07-26 14:47:08] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC24H`: Sell 1600 @ 0.003038
[2016-07-26 14:47:08] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC24H`: Sell 142 @ 0.003075
[2016-07-26 14:47:17] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC24H`: Sell 1300 @ 0.003006
[2016-07-26 14:48:10] jesperf : dem corrections are brutal
[2016-07-26 14:48:22] aethlios : place your bets for tommorows price settlement
[2016-07-26 14:48:45] aethlios : I am buying all liq at 0.002
[2016-07-26 14:48:46] BitMEX_Sam : fineregex: The price you see a liquidation executed at is the price the trading engine used, not your actual liquidation price. See your email
[2016-07-26 14:49:16] laisee : aethlios: are there degen gamblers among us?
[2016-07-26 14:50:32] aethlios : laisee: no gamblers, speculators the right word, some are wild.
[2016-07-26 14:51:06] laisee : thats good. gambling is for loosers.
[2016-07-26 14:51:10] dasdfasdf : BitMEX_Sam: What do you mean trading engine used?
[2016-07-26 14:51:32] BitMEX_Sam : dasdfasdf: When a liquidation occurs the trading engine takes over the position and resubmits it at the bankruptcy price.
[2016-07-26 15:04:46] yerb : BitMEX_Sam: hey, is is possible to implement dragging orders up and down on the chart and actually changing the entry price like in MetaTrader?
[2016-07-26 15:05:10] BitMEX_Sam : yerb: Not likely in the short term as TradingView has some bugs we would need to take time to work around
[2016-07-26 15:05:24] BitMEX_Sam : It's on my list though, but we have some other priorities that are coming first
[2016-07-26 15:06:04] yerb : BitMEX_Sam: cool
[2016-07-26 15:09:41] justinlooking : Sam can you make a black theme?
[2016-07-26 15:10:22] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC24H`: Sell 400 @ 0.002927
[2016-07-26 15:10:49] BitMEX_Greg : justinlooking: have a look at the top
[2016-07-26 15:11:10] BitMEX_Greg : top right hand cog wheel*. In the settings there is a dark theme
[2016-07-26 15:11:49] BitMEX_Greg : Sorry not the cog wheel, the little user icon preferences.
[2016-07-26 15:12:02] justinlooking : black theme
[2016-07-26 15:15:32] justinlooking : eg: https://gist.github.com/anonymous/8de6a6a023bbb88ba72014172eb0c5d8
[2016-07-26 15:15:40] mrp1nk : 16:40 - mrp1nk: i'm still thinking this will drop hard soon 16:41 - mrp1nk: and by soon i mean very soon
[2016-07-26 15:16:53] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC24H`: Sell 10 @ 0.002682
[2016-07-26 15:16:53] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC24H`: Sell 5 @ 0.002687
[2016-07-26 15:16:53] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC24H`: Sell 1510 @ 0.002710
[2016-07-26 15:17:07] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC24H`: Sell 625 @ 0.002622
[2016-07-26 15:17:07] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC24H`: Sell 350 @ 0.002654
[2016-07-26 15:17:14] macios15 : perfect bubble on etc lol
[2016-07-26 15:17:37] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC24H`: Sell 170 @ 0.002616
[2016-07-26 15:17:59] BitMEX_Greg : justinlooking: will take a look
[2016-07-26 15:19:37] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETC24H`: Buy 200 @ 0.002805
[2016-07-26 15:21:07] mrp1nk : what if i told ya: told ya xD
[2016-07-26 15:21:22] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC24H`: Sell 14 @ 0.002489
[2016-07-26 15:21:23] jesperf : boom :D
[2016-07-26 15:21:25] macios15 : plum wall down
[2016-07-26 15:22:07] elmorte : what's the bottom
[2016-07-26 15:22:07] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC24H`: Sell 10 @ 0.002409
[2016-07-26 15:22:15] macios15 : next stop 0,0015
[2016-07-26 15:22:18] elmorte : sub 2000?
[2016-07-26 15:22:32] elmorte : hmm...that's where my highest bid is at...
[2016-07-26 15:22:55] elmorte : so it will probably bounce at 16
[2016-07-26 15:23:41] macios15 : "probably"
[2016-07-26 15:23:51] macios15 : buy walls are fake
[2016-07-26 15:23:55] mrp1nk : previous resistance is around here
[2016-07-26 15:24:41] mik : اه
[2016-07-26 15:24:44] mik : hi
[2016-07-26 15:25:00] mik : Your position in the contract ETC24H has been liquidated
[2016-07-26 15:25:09] mik : whats means from this?
[2016-07-26 15:25:35] macios15 : fill your shorts now lol
[2016-07-26 15:25:50] mrp1nk : i have bad news for you
[2016-07-26 15:25:51] mik : macios15: i losed my coins?
[2016-07-26 15:26:02] macios15 : mik: yes
[2016-07-26 15:26:25] mik : oh shit
[2016-07-26 15:26:26] mik : hm
[2016-07-26 15:26:35] mik : i had almost 0.99btc
[2016-07-26 15:27:40] elmorte : that's almost 1
[2016-07-26 15:28:10] mik : can i recover that?
[2016-07-26 15:28:40] macios15 : mik: before expiry
[2016-07-26 15:29:06] elmorte : what was the expiry date?
[2016-07-26 15:29:49] mik : i dont know.
[2016-07-26 15:30:03] elmorte : damn...
[2016-07-26 15:30:12] mik : but at poloniex i can cancel my orders without expiry time!
[2016-07-26 15:30:24] mik : :(
[2016-07-26 15:30:26] elmorte : if the UI lets you...
[2016-07-26 15:30:34] BitMEX_Wally : Order can be canceled at any time
[2016-07-26 15:30:44] BitMEX_Wally : Positions can be closed at any time.
[2016-07-26 15:30:51] BitMEX_Wally : But once a position has been liquidated... it's already closed
[2016-07-26 15:32:20] mik : liquidated ? ok thanks
[2016-07-26 15:32:54] macios15 : mik: soo, you opened 1btc position in etc ?
[2016-07-26 15:33:09] mik : yes
[2016-07-26 15:33:30] macios15 : mik: lol, thats like insta rekt look at order book
[2016-07-26 15:33:32] mik : so my coins goes to bitmex team, rights? i think isnt fair!
[2016-07-26 15:33:50] macios15 : mik: that was too big i think for that market
[2016-07-26 15:34:01] Rado : mik: it doesn't go to BitMEX team
[2016-07-26 15:34:28] macios15 : others wins and dpe insurance if im right
[2016-07-26 15:34:35] Rado : also you don't have any coins. You are buying a contract
[2016-07-26 15:34:36] mik : so where is my coins?
[2016-07-26 15:34:48] elmorte : mik: you got margin called if that sounds more familiar
[2016-07-26 15:34:51] BitMEX_Wally : You went long, the price dropped, you were liquidated
[2016-07-26 15:35:10] ayy_lmao : this isn't a spot exchange
[2016-07-26 15:35:13] Rado : mik: perhaps you can use the testnet to get more familiar with the system
[2016-07-26 15:35:14] mik : ohh so this site is different with poloniex ?
[2016-07-26 15:35:17] ayy_lmao : yes
[2016-07-26 15:35:18] BitMEX_Wally : So the people who were short made profit
[2016-07-26 15:35:21] Mangalica : and the person who went short got it as profit, you cannot take it back from him
[2016-07-26 15:35:32] elmorte : I would if I could...
[2016-07-26 15:35:47] Mangalica : from my cold dead account
[2016-07-26 15:35:49] mik : oh i understand now !
[2016-07-26 15:36:04] Rado : mik: https://testnet.bitmex.com/ create a test account here
[2016-07-26 15:36:07] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 50 @ 0.01894
[2016-07-26 15:36:32] mik : Rado: now i dont need test account.
[2016-07-26 15:36:48] Mangalica : you have to be careful when the market is going up and down like this, it's very easy to get liquidated
[2016-07-26 15:36:53] macios15 : you could get your 1 btc back if you win it back before expiry date
[2016-07-26 15:36:57] elmorte : mik: first time I lost 1BTC, I put in 3 more...
[2016-07-26 15:37:19] Mangalica : i mean you have to be careful anyway, but especially in markets like this
[2016-07-26 15:37:23] elmorte : and then after I lost those 3...
[2016-07-26 15:37:41] mik : thanks guys.
[2016-07-26 15:38:05] elmorte : A smart dude once told me here to play with 1 contract only at first...
[2016-07-26 15:38:22] macios15 : even market maker boot is too slow for poloniex lol
[2016-07-26 15:38:52] Mangalica : MM bots are a lot snappier than they used to be half a year ago or so
[2016-07-26 15:38:52] mik : but im working with poloniex.simple trade!
[2016-07-26 15:40:43] elmorte : Poloniex exchange would be a spot exchange...in spot is where you learn at first. This here BitMEX is a derivative exchange...it's leveraged so the risk is X times higher
[2016-07-26 15:41:10] elmorte : Poloniex also has margin trading where you can leverage
[2016-07-26 15:41:36] elmorte : and that would carry a more significant risk
[2016-07-26 15:42:53] mik : i dont know any knowledge about derivative exchange! so its better i leave there :(
[2016-07-26 15:43:25] macios15 : mik: you could give me that 1 btc lol
[2016-07-26 15:44:34] mik : macios15: but i losed my coins :D
[2016-07-26 15:46:21] mik : bye guys
[2016-07-26 15:47:40] mrp1nk : just don't go all in bro. start small by using only 5% of your stack and you'll be fine @mik
[2016-07-26 15:47:48] BitMEX_Wally : mik: You can drag the leverage selector from 5x to 1x then it's like spot trading
[2016-07-26 15:48:28] mrp1nk : "fine" as in be prepared to blow you're account 2-3 times
[2016-07-26 15:48:59] elmorte : mrp1nk: ha! so true :(
[2016-07-26 15:49:27] elmorte : Of all the things I lost...ETH cost me the most...
[2016-07-26 15:50:16] elmorte : *times
[2016-07-26 16:01:43] macios15 : etc market maker is retarded lol
[2016-07-26 16:08:24] justinlooking : how so?
[2016-07-26 16:08:29] elmorte : how can you be sure?
[2016-07-26 16:10:03] aethlios : Just don't leverage down with margin, this is a recipe for a margin call.
[2016-07-26 16:11:01] aethlios : okcoin futures small 3 usd pre-pump move
[2016-07-26 16:26:31] justinlooking : hngngnhnhnhgn
[2016-07-26 16:27:36] elmorte : justinlooking: wake up
[2016-07-26 16:32:07] jung1 : 100k volume
[2016-07-26 16:32:16] jung1 : whoop whoop'
[2016-07-26 16:40:47] macios15 : eth is at trend line if it goes under 0,017 big dump incoming
[2016-07-26 16:46:30] jung1 : 1eth=1etc=0.01btc soon
[2016-07-26 16:50:06] mrp1nk : so this was the etc dead cat bounce i think
[2016-07-26 16:50:34] Haythem : it will go up until tomorrow
[2016-07-26 16:50:52] mrp1nk : why should itg
[2016-07-26 16:50:53] mrp1nk : it
[2016-07-26 16:51:29] mrp1nk : imo this was "return to normal" phase
[2016-07-26 16:52:14] wurstgelee : finex and yuanbao listing
[2016-07-26 16:52:20] Haythem : yes
[2016-07-26 16:52:22] mrp1nk : this etc is doing a perfect crash cycle within 46h
[2016-07-26 16:52:27] Haythem : other exchanges are listing it
[2016-07-26 16:52:27] wurstgelee : mrp1nk: thats y ;)
[2016-07-26 16:52:43] mrp1nk : sorry, 48h
[2016-07-26 16:52:50] wurstgelee : new ath within 24h imo
[2016-07-26 16:52:57] wurstgelee : after that, tomorrow, we will dump ;)
[2016-07-26 16:52:58] mrp1nk : hmm...
[2016-07-26 16:52:59] wurstgelee : maybe
[2016-07-26 16:53:06] mrp1nk : i bet against it
[2016-07-26 16:53:29] wurstgelee : china doesnt trade it yet, it will with yuanbao listing
[2016-07-26 16:53:38] wurstgelee : so u are short?
[2016-07-26 16:53:41] laisee : etc fundamentals are good, tho.
[2016-07-26 16:53:42] wurstgelee : i am long :p
[2016-07-26 16:53:48] mrp1nk : wurstgelee: i just shorted it yeah
[2016-07-26 16:53:55] mrp1nk : little bit late to the party because i was afk
[2016-07-26 16:53:55] Haythem : also people are buying it because it's cheaper tha eth to use the blockchain
[2016-07-26 16:53:59] wurstgelee : laisee: pretty much the same as eth ;)
[2016-07-26 16:54:23] laisee : but it cost 0.00 to create ...
[2016-07-26 16:54:52] wurstgelee : same for eth. but ppl paid a lot of btc to the creators who created it for free :p
[2016-07-26 16:55:17] wurstgelee : i get what u are saying tho
[2016-07-26 16:55:27] wurstgelee : ofc u have ppl dumping it for easy, free btc
[2016-07-26 16:55:35] wurstgelee : but eth had the same since it traded way above ico
[2016-07-26 16:55:55] wurstgelee : doesnt matter if ppl hold multibaggers or free coins
[2016-07-26 16:55:59] wurstgelee : incentive to dump is the same
[2016-07-26 16:56:05] wurstgelee : doesnt change market dynamics imo
[2016-07-26 16:56:23] wurstgelee : maybe right after lauch but after a while
[2016-07-26 16:56:27] wurstgelee : *not
[2016-07-26 16:56:30] mrp1nk : look at that structure http://prnt.sc/bxsqut and tell me again this will ooon
[2016-07-26 16:56:35] mrp1nk : moon
[2016-07-26 16:57:09] wurstgelee : etc price discovery hasnt finished yet imo
[2016-07-26 16:57:14] wurstgelee : so any TA is futile
[2016-07-26 16:57:18] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-07-26 16:57:29] mrp1nk : we will see
[2016-07-26 16:57:35] wurstgelee : yep ofc
[2016-07-26 16:57:38] mrp1nk : hard to tell at this stage
[2016-07-26 16:57:42] wurstgelee : exactlxy
[2016-07-26 16:58:05] jung1 : up we go
[2016-07-26 16:58:33] wurstgelee : hashrate doubled withingt <10h btw
[2016-07-26 16:58:36] wurstgelee : *within
[2016-07-26 16:58:37] mrp1nk : but that 0.0024 line was hit perfectly
[2016-07-26 16:58:43] mrp1nk : xD
[2016-07-26 16:59:33] wurstgelee : i said etc:eth will hit 2:1 rate earlier
[2016-07-26 16:59:37] wurstgelee : i still stick to it
[2016-07-26 16:59:43] wurstgelee : =)
[2016-07-26 16:59:45] mrp1nk : hehe
[2016-07-26 16:59:53] mrp1nk : see also http://www.thegoldandoilguy.com/articles/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/Stages-for-AAPL.png
[2016-07-26 17:00:01] Haythem : wurstgelee: that's what will happen
[2016-07-26 17:00:02] wurstgelee : this scenario requires a massive eth dukmp ofc
[2016-07-26 17:00:32] wurstgelee : Haythem: i am counting on it
[2016-07-26 17:00:33] wurstgelee : :D
[2016-07-26 17:01:12] wurstgelee : well no, thats a lie. made enough profit with etc, anything which comes now is a nice plus
[2016-07-26 17:01:32] wurstgelee : would have been way more tho, but i didnt pay attention for 5 mins and got MC for 1600 conts :/
[2016-07-26 17:02:12] elmorte : Is there an exact time it's launching on finex?
[2016-07-26 17:02:30] wurstgelee : "wednesday" iirc
[2016-07-26 17:07:31] elmorte : ETC reached 600GH
[2016-07-26 17:07:38] elmorte : /s
[2016-07-26 17:07:52] elmorte : GH/s...not sarcasm :)
[2016-07-26 17:08:12] Mangalica : lol
[2016-07-26 17:08:35] BitMEX_Wally : http://slacknation.github.io/medium/13/13.html
[2016-07-26 17:09:06] Mangalica : 600 gigasarcasms
[2016-07-26 17:09:15] elmorte : It's not pulling in real time @BitMEX_Wally
[2016-07-26 17:09:22] elmorte : http://fork.ethstats.net/
[2016-07-26 17:09:26] elmorte : see for yourself
[2016-07-26 17:12:51] elmorte : slacknation finally updated
[2016-07-26 17:20:47] messiaen8844 : MAY THE BEST CHAIN WIN :)
[2016-07-26 17:21:27] messiaen8844 : https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CoS4oPIWIAAwi0-.jpg
[2016-07-26 17:21:31] messiaen8844 : a good lesson for BTC
[2016-07-26 17:24:07] jung1 : yeah in couple of years that case will be in economic books
[2016-07-26 17:27:21] zanza : wow wtf happened with ETC
[2016-07-26 17:28:27] elmorte : Hash rate 3608.2 GH/s 646.4 GH/s
[2016-07-26 17:29:24] Teddy76 : from around 4000gh vs 250gh 6h ago
[2016-07-26 17:30:41] wotan : crazy times inc rypto with etc today
[2016-07-26 17:31:49] mrp1nk : pgp (finex) is on whalepool teamspeak:
[2016-07-26 17:31:54] mrp1nk : they have had problems wallets lenders wont be getting etc margin users will wallet holders will
[2016-07-26 17:32:00] mrp1nk : (copy pasta)
[2016-07-26 17:32:13] elmorte : cheers
[2016-07-26 17:32:22] elmorte : so that's opposite of polo?
[2016-07-26 17:32:33] mrp1nk : idk
[2016-07-26 17:32:37] elmorte : with regards to margin
[2016-07-26 17:32:56] elmorte : I think lenders got etc, but borrowers not
[2016-07-26 17:32:56] mrp1nk : if you say so
[2016-07-26 17:37:22] mrp1nk : (i never used margin trading on polo)
[2016-07-26 17:39:38] elmorte : i read the forums
[2016-07-26 18:28:50] mrp1nk : ups
[2016-07-26 18:31:33] wurstgelee : there we go again
[2016-07-26 18:35:15] fineregex : i got etc for a long position borrowing
[2016-07-26 18:35:35] fineregex : but not for my dao tokens:-O:D
[2016-07-26 18:41:39] macios15 : etc bubble look like ltc 50$ one
[2016-07-26 18:43:03] justinlooking : REKT
[2016-07-26 18:44:28] mrp1nk : shieet
[2016-07-26 18:44:44] Mangalica : indeed
[2016-07-26 18:45:32] wurstgelee : crazy shit @ trex
[2016-07-26 18:45:33] wurstgelee : .006
[2016-07-26 18:45:34] wurstgelee : rofl
[2016-07-26 18:45:41] wurstgelee : ETC ofc
[2016-07-26 18:45:51] mrp1nk : crazy
[2016-07-26 18:46:23] mrp1nk : seems i was wrong
[2016-07-26 18:46:37] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 45 @ 0.01846
[2016-07-26 18:47:16] wurstgelee : mrp1nk: 1:2 ETC:ETH
[2016-07-26 18:47:20] wurstgelee : soon
[2016-07-26 18:47:21] wurstgelee : :p
[2016-07-26 18:48:00] mrp1nk : i think it's over when .18 breaks
[2016-07-26 18:48:18] mrp1nk : even o
[2016-07-26 18:49:00] mrp1nk : 0.0185 the level but could fakeout down
[2016-07-26 18:49:08] mrp1nk : +is
[2016-07-26 18:53:22] justinlooking : 0.175 is way more significant to me
[2016-07-26 18:53:35] scrawl : mrp1nk: do we know if we can short etc on finex?
[2016-07-26 18:54:22] justinlooking : *0.0175
[2016-07-26 18:55:44] mrp1nk : scrawl: dunno, but i think so if margin trading will be available
[2016-07-26 19:04:21] Rado : When is finex adding ETC?
[2016-07-26 19:08:08] mrp1nk : dunno, but kraken just announced that they will add it
[2016-07-26 19:13:39] Mangalica : finex is adding it tomorrow
[2016-07-26 19:14:08] Mangalica : they'll announce the exact time once they sorted out everything
[2016-07-26 19:20:50] Mangalica : btw. finex will unlikely to add margin trading right away
[2016-07-26 19:43:07] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 40 @ 0.01842
[2016-07-26 19:44:37] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC24H`: Sell 21 @ 0.003429
[2016-07-26 19:44:37] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC24H`: Sell 20 @ 0.003427
[2016-07-26 19:45:07] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC24H`: Sell 300 @ 0.003358
[2016-07-26 19:45:07] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC24H`: Sell 250 @ 0.003326
[2016-07-26 19:45:22] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC24H`: Sell 6 @ 0.003279
[2016-07-26 19:45:22] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC24H`: Sell 300 @ 0.003236
[2016-07-26 20:27:51] muirtastic : This may be a dumb question but why doesn't my Liq price go up on an open position when I just increased my wallet balance by 50%, due to another trade.
[2016-07-26 20:30:49] zanza : you are probably on isolated
[2016-07-26 20:30:53] mrp1nk : are you on isolated or cross margin?
[2016-07-26 20:30:54] zanza : check your position slider
[2016-07-26 20:31:05] Mangalica : or the profit isn't settled yet, that might affect it
[2016-07-26 20:32:12] Mangalica : otoh taking your principal out of another trade should definitely have an effect, so nvm
[2016-07-26 20:54:10] muirtastic : I'm on cross margin
[2016-07-26 20:55:56] muirtastic : I made the profit several hours ago and there has been a Funding event since then but do I have to wait for a "reblance" for it to help with my liquidation price?
[2016-07-26 20:58:39] justinlooking : yes, rebalance will release withheld balance and make it available as margin
[2016-07-26 20:58:59] justinlooking : *withheld profit
[2016-07-26 20:59:35] muirtastic : ok thanks, that makes sense. I should be ok until then
[2016-07-26 21:14:37] justinlooking : it's doing it again
[2016-07-26 21:18:30] wurstgelee : yep
[2016-07-26 21:18:43] wurstgelee : also..wtf...who is shorting NOW?
[2016-07-26 21:18:52] wurstgelee : down to .0034.....
[2016-07-26 21:18:53] wurstgelee : lolz
[2016-07-26 21:21:17] Teddy76 : maybe long closing
[2016-07-26 21:25:05] wurstgelee : probably...but market closing that much into thin orderbooks in the minute it pumps again is just....dumb
[2016-07-26 21:27:10] muirtastic : I shorted a bit of ETC but small size.
[2016-07-26 21:27:26] muirtastic : I cleaned up on a short earlier but cautious now
[2016-07-26 21:28:30] wurstgelee : check polo
[2016-07-26 21:28:37] wurstgelee : huge buys atm
[2016-07-26 21:28:40] wurstgelee : big vol
[2016-07-26 21:28:46] wurstgelee : shorts are gonna get fucked
[2016-07-26 21:28:49] wurstgelee : *imo
[2016-07-26 21:28:51] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-07-26 21:29:06] muirtastic : There was a 350 BTC buy wall awhile ago at about 385
[2016-07-26 21:29:20] muirtastic : on ETC on Polo I mean
[2016-07-26 21:29:37] wurstgelee : 130k BTC ETC 24h vol @ polo now...
[2016-07-26 21:29:39] wurstgelee : crazy shit
[2016-07-26 21:29:57] wurstgelee : 385 is basically nothing tbh if u have THAT volume
[2016-07-26 21:30:08] wurstgelee : no serious resistance at least
[2016-07-26 21:30:39] wurstgelee : theres a 5 mint 1800 btc volume candle just a few minutes ago
[2016-07-26 21:30:43] wurstgelee : *minutes
[2016-07-26 21:31:06] starman : can i ddeposit etc?
[2016-07-26 21:31:14] starman : or just btc first timew on this site
[2016-07-26 21:31:25] wurstgelee : all trades are executed and setled in BTC
[2016-07-26 21:31:31] wurstgelee : *settled
[2016-07-26 21:31:34] wurstgelee : u dont need anything else
[2016-07-26 21:31:41] wurstgelee : u trade everything with btc
[2016-07-26 21:32:37] starman : asin i have etc can i deposit here?
[2016-07-26 21:33:18] mrp1nk : no
[2016-07-26 21:33:36] BitMEX_Sam : We're Bitcoin-denominated derivatives only here
[2016-07-26 21:34:18] wurstgelee : BitMEX_Sam: all in on he didnt understand that sentence
[2016-07-26 21:34:19] wurstgelee : :p
[2016-07-26 21:34:50] Teddy76 : :)
[2016-07-26 21:38:09] wurstgelee : BitMEX_Sam: maybe i dont see the obvious reason, but why didnt u do a perpetual swap for etc?
[2016-07-26 21:38:55] BitMEX_Sam : wurstgelee: Lots of reasons - volatility would cause wildly changing funding rates, and we want the ability to alter the contract (more/less leverage, longer/shorter terms) based on market conditions if necessary
[2016-07-26 21:39:03] wurstgelee : ah ok
[2016-07-26 21:39:20] wurstgelee : would need a more stable market....
[2016-07-26 21:39:40] wurstgelee : makes sense
[2016-07-26 21:39:42] muirtastic : What an incredible day. I wish I would have played it better but still some nice profit
[2016-07-26 21:49:27] Teddy76 : following days are crucial for ethereum
[2016-07-26 21:52:08] mrp1nk : regarding finex
[2016-07-26 21:52:09] mrp1nk : "lifehasnobackspace": it looks like we'll start trading ETC at 120 (noon) UTC tomorrow morning
[2016-07-26 21:52:45] Teddy76 : sadly, ethereum is a good tech, but hard fork isn't risk free
[2016-07-26 21:54:05] wurstgelee : wait for the next HF which is necessary now because eth devs didnt expect both chains to survive and now both are vulnerable to replay attacks
[2016-07-26 21:54:13] wurstgelee : etc devs already said they wont fork
[2016-07-26 21:54:15] wurstgelee : so eth has to
[2016-07-26 21:54:24] wurstgelee : then we will not have 2 but 3 ETHs
[2016-07-26 21:54:31] wurstgelee : what joy
[2016-07-26 21:54:32] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-07-26 21:54:59] wurstgelee : well tbh, the vulnerable ETH chain wont survive
[2016-07-26 21:55:03] Teddy76 : forked chain is vulnerable?
[2016-07-26 21:55:07] wurstgelee : but: another hard fork.
[2016-07-26 21:55:12] wurstgelee : both are vulnerable
[2016-07-26 21:55:18] wurstgelee : so one has to HF again
[2016-07-26 21:55:21] wurstgelee : either ETC or ETH
[2016-07-26 21:55:35] wurstgelee : ETC devs say "fuck u, u didnt properly fork. fix ur mess"
[2016-07-26 21:55:41] wurstgelee : and so it will happen
[2016-07-26 21:55:43] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-07-26 21:56:08] wurstgelee : etc just passed .004 again
[2016-07-26 21:57:07] wurstgelee : i dont really get why its traded at such an discount here...
[2016-07-26 22:00:01] justinlooking : i think it's because it has 14h bias applied to it (ie future, not now)
[2016-07-26 22:02:14] wurstgelee : might be, yes
[2016-07-26 22:02:33] wurstgelee : i am way more optimistic regarding ETC price development in the next 14h tho
[2016-07-26 22:02:34] wurstgelee : :p
[2016-07-26 22:09:31] Teddy76 : correlation on all other crypto is amazing, ETH/ETC get all attention and volume
[2016-07-26 22:12:05] wurstgelee : this ETC/ETH thing is awesome for crypto
[2016-07-26 22:12:37] justinlooking : 0.00420 blazeit
[2016-07-26 22:12:46] wurstgelee : justinlooking: tbh i do
[2016-07-26 22:12:49] wurstgelee : :D
[2016-07-26 22:13:00] mrp1nk : justinlooking: lol
[2016-07-26 22:19:25] Teddy76 : decentralization is amazing
[2016-07-26 22:20:18] wurstgelee : yes
[2016-07-26 22:20:19] Teddy76 : money is money :D
[2016-07-26 22:22:19] zanza : damn this is hilarious
[2016-07-26 22:30:26] Teddy76 : polo is the winner, they handle HF perfectly and are awarded now
[2016-07-26 22:35:17] wurstgelee : Teddy76: yep
[2016-07-26 23:15:52] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETHXBT`: Buy 291 @ 0.01846
[2016-07-26 23:29:23] bernx : woah
[2016-07-26 23:29:26] bernx : this spread in etc
[2016-07-26 23:30:28] laisee : pump.and.dump.repeat()
[2016-07-26 23:34:05] jordanbitfort : why bitmex prices so much lower than polo?
[2016-07-26 23:37:13] odieoh : for what?
[2016-07-26 23:39:22] ayy_lmao : market maker trying to profit
[2016-07-26 23:39:25] ayy_lmao : thats all
[2016-07-26 23:40:51] jordanbitfort : ETC trading 10% lower here
[2016-07-26 23:41:24] BitMEX_Greg : Need to account for the fact that theres no borrow available I guess
[2016-07-26 23:48:07] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 36 @ 0.01804
[2016-07-26 23:48:31] aethlios : finex stopped
[2016-07-26 23:50:59] bernx : ,
[2016-07-26 23:50:59] bernx : ?
[2016-07-26 23:53:35] miramm1115 : finex trading engine down, no trades or orderbook updates in the last 10 minutes
[2016-07-26 23:57:51] Mangalica : Finex is down guys
[2016-07-26 23:58:12] Mangalica : <01:53:20> "lifehasnobackspace": ok, guys, we stopped the trading engine and we are checking what went wrong with the positions, we'll resume as soon as we complete the checkings
[2016-07-26 23:59:36] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC24H`: Sell 4904 @ 0.003480
[2016-07-26 23:59:36] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC24H`: Sell 25 @ 0.003572
[2016-07-26 23:59:51] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC24H`: Sell 10 @ 0.003411
[2016-07-26 23:59:51] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC24H`: Sell 400 @ 0.003398
[2016-07-27 00:04:21] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 300 @ 0.01837
[2016-07-27 00:04:25] Mangalica : <02:01:42> "lifehasnobackspace": we need 1 hr to reconcile positions as there was a problem and it went out of synch
[2016-07-27 00:18:17] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC24H`: Sell 40 @ 0.003284
[2016-07-27 00:18:17] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC24H`: Sell 670 @ 0.003292
[2016-07-27 00:18:19] zanza : `days without a Bitfinex crash` reset to 0 pls
[2016-07-27 00:18:23] ayy_lmao : lol
[2016-07-27 00:25:29] rapidtrades : wtf finex u shit
[2016-07-27 00:25:44] rapidtrades : i should've pulled my coins earlier today
[2016-07-27 00:27:08] bernx : finex is threat now
[2016-07-27 00:27:15] bernx : they alredy do mess second time
[2016-07-27 00:27:51] bernx : first time they ruin long position at 700 with 19k btc
[2016-07-27 00:27:55] bernx : now they are do it again
[2016-07-27 00:28:47] rapidtrades : and this is why u don't mess around with counter-party risk
[2016-07-27 00:31:19] zanza : https://twitter.com/mrchrisellis/status/758025056824033280