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[2016-07-25 15:44:04] nip : well this is a major problem
[2016-07-25 15:44:51] nip : the market maker stopped quoting for about a day
[2016-07-25 15:44:54] BitMEX_Wally : The predicted funding rate is a problem, or the fact that people are offering below the index price is problem?
[2016-07-25 15:45:10] nip : and i guess someone put an offer 1.5% to 2% below spot?
[2016-07-25 15:46:19] nip : BitMEX_Wally: the liquidity is too thin
[2016-07-25 15:46:52] nip : yesterday the market maker was down. there were a total of 2 contracts of bids
[2016-07-25 15:47:27] nip : i dont think its reasonable to use the orderbook
[2016-07-25 15:47:40] BitMEX_Wally : We use a depth weighted price
[2016-07-25 15:47:49] BitMEX_Wally : 2 contracts is not enough
[2016-07-25 15:48:17] nip : BitMEX_Wally: i suspect someone was trying to manipulate the funding rate because there was no orderbook?
[2016-07-25 15:49:43] BitMEX_Wally : They would have to quote at least 500 contracts above/below the fair price at the time
[2016-07-25 15:50:08] nip : im sure they did that. but noone trades fct
[2016-07-25 15:50:46] BitMEX_Wally : If a 2% discount is not an incentive enough to trade, then the funding rate has to kick in to bring the order book back in line with stop
[2016-07-25 15:50:48] BitMEX_Wally : spot
[2016-07-25 15:51:03] BitMEX_Wally : But if no-one is trading them we'll de-list them
[2016-07-25 15:51:08] nip : i never saw the order
[2016-07-25 15:51:21] mrp1nk : hmm... not sure if breakout or fakeout (btc)
[2016-07-25 15:51:28] BitMEX_Wally : It was probably just the market maker quoting at a discount to get rid of some delta
[2016-07-25 15:51:39] BitMEX_Wally : No-one lifted his offer, so the funding rate is now negative
[2016-07-25 15:53:41] nip : so i am expected to monitor the orderbook 24/7 to make sure noone quotes at a discount?
[2016-07-25 15:53:53] nip : because every time they do i lose a huge % of my margin?
[2016-07-25 15:54:07] nip : i dont think its reasonable to use the orderbook for funding for that contract
[2016-07-25 15:54:59] nip : there are maybe 0-3 participants at a given time including bots
[2016-07-25 16:00:02] nip : BitMEX_Wally: What will happen to the funding rate if the premium index stays where it is?
[2016-07-25 16:00:14] nip : that is, the mark price is within the bid ask
[2016-07-25 16:00:33] nip : it will decrease by 0.05% each 8 hours?
[2016-07-25 16:05:12] Tetsuo : Word on the street is that FCT protocol is bugged and broken, waitin to be hacked. Wouldn´t want to hold a position in it when the shitstorm starts! : - (
[2016-07-25 16:07:36] macios15 : 4400 confirmed
[2016-07-25 16:10:52] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC24H`: Sell 1865 @ 0.00075
[2016-07-25 16:42:36] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC24H`: Sell 100 @ 0.00069
[2016-07-25 17:13:30] nip : Where did the mm for XBJ go?
[2016-07-25 17:14:03] nip : gone for 2 days now
[2016-07-25 17:15:39] BitMEX_Greg : nip: I've just checked and he's been available for the past 2 days, there are certain points in the day where he gets cut out due to an API problem from the price reference provider, Quoine, but comes in soon after
[2016-07-25 17:15:58] BitMEX_Greg : checking now with them about current outage
[2016-07-25 17:16:43] BitMEX_Greg : he's back
[2016-07-25 17:18:22] nip : BitMEX_Greg: thanks
[2016-07-25 17:34:40] xxgiancoxx : hi i can deposit directly ETC in any wallet here or just BTC deposits?
[2016-07-25 17:37:17] BitMEX_Wally : xxgiancoxx: Just Bitcoin
[2016-07-25 17:37:33] BitMEX_Wally : But you can use that Bitcoin to sell (i.e. short) ETH
[2016-07-25 17:41:18] Mangalica : Shillbert is shilling ETC, be careful shorts
[2016-07-25 18:00:07] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETC24H`: Buy 850 @ 0.00097
[2016-07-25 18:08:19] aethlios : anyone want to buy my 50000 etc sell order??
[2016-07-25 18:10:07] nip : aethlios: its way above spot
[2016-07-25 18:10:12] nip : lower it enough and i will buy it
[2016-07-25 18:10:31] aethlios : nip: spot is 0.00099-0.001
[2016-07-25 18:10:53] nip : or just 991 for short
[2016-07-25 18:11:33] aethlios : nip: start placing buy orders
[2016-07-25 18:12:01] 1QaZxSw2 : question for bitmex. how do you decide what alt/shitcoin to list? By vol from polo?
[2016-07-25 18:12:10] nip : whats the lowest price you would be willing to sell at?
[2016-07-25 18:12:19] nip : if i find it acceptable i will place a buy order for 50000
[2016-07-25 18:12:50] nip : i dont like leaving limit orders up
[2016-07-25 18:14:16] aethlios : nip: You can bet for the expiration, you don't have to close order. If tomorrow price above 0.001 you win, if below I win
[2016-07-25 18:45:36] BitMEX_Sam : 1QaZxSw2: Essentially we watch what's gaining traction and what is likely to trade
[2016-07-25 18:45:48] BitMEX_Sam : Listing new products is easy enough to do so long as we have a liquid market to settle it on
[2016-07-25 20:52:03] fineregex : BitMEX_Sam: suggestion for the leaderboard, add average profit and total number of traders (or average performance by groups above 2[10,100,1000] trades or above trades 0.05[1,10,50] btc
[2016-07-25 20:52:27] fineregex : *or above ... balance
[2016-07-25 20:52:59] BitMEX_Sam : That's a good idea, would be an interesting way to segment types of traders
[2016-07-25 21:10:28] fineregex : and, while equally or more interesting rationally, it can also serve as a disclaimer for those who are at risk to get too euphoric seeing a leaderboard/peak performance only since obviously average performance would be normal to be near zero minus fees (or already amazing if slightly positive)
[2016-07-25 21:32:48] nip : something like (profit/averagebalance) or (profit/(averagebalance x time)) could be interesting
[2016-07-25 21:34:31] nip : the ROE leaderboard seems useless to me. its for people who only made one trade?
[2016-07-25 22:40:35] rapidtrades : good evening
[2016-07-25 22:42:19] mrp1nk : sup
[2016-07-25 22:43:58] rapidtrades : not much
[2016-07-25 22:44:22] rapidtrades : classic looks to be stabilizying
[2016-07-25 22:47:15] rapidtrades : are ppl mining/ developing this coin
[2016-07-25 22:49:49] BitMEX_Greg : rapidtrades: Few guys still mining. I know a guy who was 50% over the weekend
[2016-07-25 22:59:59] mrp1nk : the etc telegram group has already more members than the eth group
[2016-07-25 23:10:42] rapidtrades : the subreddit is much smaller tho
[2016-07-25 23:15:51] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETHXBT`: Buy 198 @ 0.02110
[2016-07-25 23:23:22] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETHXBT`: Buy 1862 @ 0.02117
[2016-07-25 23:49:58] fineregex : rapidtrades: hashrate went back too
[2016-07-26 01:00:13] Ageless : why does it give a really low liquidation price when you use max leverage in eth classic?
[2016-07-26 01:00:29] Ageless : like have funds to cover way above the liquidation quote?
[2016-07-26 01:15:14] lockhedge : Ageless: don't understand the question but i guess it will help to take a look at `Initial Margin`and `Maintenance Margin`in the contract specs https://www.bitmex.com/app/contract/ETC24H
[2016-07-26 02:07:36] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETC24H`: Buy 297 @ 0.00108
[2016-07-26 02:08:06] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETC24H`: Buy 300 @ 0.00110
[2016-07-26 02:08:36] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETC24H`: Buy 800 @ 0.00111
[2016-07-26 02:18:36] zanza : some ETC action
[2016-07-26 02:38:41] Ageless : how to turn off isolated margin?
[2016-07-26 02:51:10] BitMEX_Arthur : Ageless: under the your position section on the left hand side, there is a leverage slider, the option all the way to the left is Cross Margin
[2016-07-26 03:56:03] jung1 : morning
[2016-07-26 03:56:21] ggwp : witam witam
[2016-07-26 03:57:04] jung1 : załadowany w etc?
[2016-07-26 03:57:23] ggwp : no pewka
[2016-07-26 03:58:25] bernx : this eth spred ...
[2016-07-26 03:59:13] jung1 : so ETC=ETH=0.013 in one month from now?
[2016-07-26 04:00:08] ggwp : moze.....
[2016-07-26 04:02:15] jung1 : BitMEX_Arthur: who made pokemon graphic in new Crypto Trader Digest?
[2016-07-26 04:02:38] jung1 : with vitalchu
[2016-07-26 04:02:59] ggwp : grasz?
[2016-07-26 04:03:05] jung1 : nah
[2016-07-26 04:03:10] Muhammed : gday
[2016-07-26 04:03:18] jung1 : morning
[2016-07-26 04:04:05] ggwp : a tam gdzie mieszkasz sporo ich widzisz?
[2016-07-26 04:06:14] ggwp : (graczy)
[2016-07-26 04:06:56] jung1 : no pełno
[2016-07-26 04:07:11] jung1 : aż przypał chodzić z telefonem po ulicy bo myślą, że też grasz
[2016-07-26 04:07:40] ggwp : haha
[2016-07-26 04:08:14] ggwp : a o ile dobrze wiem to gra nawet nie jest jeszcze dostepna w wersji na rynek PL
[2016-07-26 04:08:29] ggwp : co za świat
[2016-07-26 04:19:44] jung1 : http://fork.ethstats.net/ ethereum classic (etc) hashpower going down
[2016-07-26 04:20:16] jung1 : depending on which side of the fence you're on, ideologies don't pay the mining bills.
[2016-07-26 04:24:51] jung1 : http://vessenes.com/do-not-mess-with-eth-classic-it-will-f-you-up/
[2016-07-26 04:38:06] rapidtrades : jung1: don't be a Debbie Downer jung1
[2016-07-26 04:40:07] jung1 : someone have to
[2016-07-26 04:40:07] rapidtrades : yen surging ....idiots finally coming around
[2016-07-26 04:40:52] rapidtrades : up over 2% in around 26 hrs
[2016-07-26 04:42:02] rapidtrades : it's down and staying down,,,,unlike previously where they bought every dip like its the sp500
[2016-07-26 04:43:11] jung1 : https://twitter.com/ChandlerGuo/status/757737096668848128 this guy is a dao hacker
[2016-07-26 04:45:45] rapidtrades : looks like a retard
[2016-07-26 04:46:03] ggwp : chuckled
[2016-07-26 04:46:04] rapidtrades : he couldn't hack his way out of a paper bag
[2016-07-26 04:46:21] ggwp : "My principle is don't be evil"
[2016-07-26 04:48:34] rapidtrades : i hope this eth shit gets resolved soon...getting chopped to death in btc
[2016-07-26 04:50:08] ggwp : so btc is waiting on eth?
[2016-07-26 04:50:13] ggwp : lawl
[2016-07-26 04:51:07] rapidtrades : well its dragging it up and down
[2016-07-26 04:51:19] ggwp : meeeh
[2016-07-26 04:51:28] rapidtrades : problem is eth is too small so the moves in bitcoin are small too, not enught to make $$$$$$$
[2016-07-26 04:52:29] rapidtrades : fair basis for sept is still high, 75%
[2016-07-26 04:53:58] jung1 : https://twitter.com/barrysilbert/status/757628841938472961
[2016-07-26 04:54:24] rapidtrades : yeah read that earlier, he spent 25k
[2016-07-26 04:54:39] rapidtrades : bold move cotton, let's see if it pays off
[2016-07-26 04:55:27] jung1 : yeah
[2016-07-26 04:55:44] jung1 : but imo eth went from trustless to a political ecosystem
[2016-07-26 04:56:09] rapidtrades : 25k min cos he was silently bragging that he bought them from some OTC place with 25k min
[2016-07-26 04:59:19] rapidtrades : what was the funding we just had? i missed it
[2016-07-26 04:59:21] rapidtrades : BTC
[2016-07-26 05:00:46] rapidtrades : dam we had two 0.04%
[2016-07-26 05:00:50] rapidtrades : that's painful
[2016-07-26 05:08:50] jung1 : http://slacknation.github.io/medium/13/13.html there we go!
[2016-07-26 05:09:10] ayy_lmao : only 0.04?
[2016-07-26 05:09:14] ayy_lmao : painful?
[2016-07-26 05:10:01] rapidtrades : well yeah given the lack of volatility
[2016-07-26 05:10:22] rapidtrades : thats' 0.09% for 16 hrs
[2016-07-26 05:11:02] rapidtrades : jung1: what's that link? i don't follow ur haxxor links
[2016-07-26 05:11:54] jung1 : now minnig etc is more profitable than eth
[2016-07-26 05:12:06] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETC24H`: Buy 870 @ 0.001238
[2016-07-26 05:12:30] jung1 : +1k volume on polo
[2016-07-26 05:13:39] Rado : jung1: do you have a link to get ETC install?
[2016-07-26 05:14:37] Rado : What does jung mean?
[2016-07-26 05:16:42] jung1 : https://ethereumclassic.github.io/
[2016-07-26 05:17:07] jung1 : but you just do not upgrade to hardfork client version pushed by Ethereum Foundation.
[2016-07-26 05:17:11] jung1 : and thats all
[2016-07-26 05:17:42] jung1 : its old nick. Originally from junglist ;)
[2016-07-26 05:19:38] Rado : jung1: thanks
[2016-07-26 05:23:09] jung1 : https://www.reddit.com/r/ethereum/comments/4ukefq/attacker_has_withdrawn_all_etc_from_darkdao_on/
[2016-07-26 05:24:53] Rado : How much is he worth at current etc price?
[2016-07-26 05:29:18] jung1 : He stole like 7.8mln eth
[2016-07-26 05:29:37] jung1 : etc is around 0.55$ now
[2016-07-26 05:32:07] lockhedge : it's around $0.8
[2016-07-26 05:32:30] jung1 : $10 is possiible
[2016-07-26 05:32:33] jung1 : in couple of weeks
[2016-07-26 05:33:23] Rado : Nah
[2016-07-26 05:33:51] jung1 : etc is just original ethereum
[2016-07-26 05:34:24] Rado : Yes,, but value doesn't come from the code
[2016-07-26 05:35:11] jung1 : shure
[2016-07-26 05:37:45] jung1 : http://fintechist.com/shapeshift-io-bitmex-announce-support-ethereum-classic/
[2016-07-26 05:38:03] jung1 : BitMex, a respected Bitcoin and cryptocurrency exchange,'
[2016-07-26 05:38:19] Rado : He he
[2016-07-26 05:38:53] Rado : Where did this shmuck rapidtrades go?
[2016-07-26 05:40:11] lockhedge : does anyone know a single person who uses ethereum (eth or etc) for anything else than speculative trading?
[2016-07-26 05:40:43] fineregex : lockhedge: no, what about bitcoin?
[2016-07-26 05:40:44] jung1 : yep
[2016-07-26 05:40:56] fineregex : is it still speculative when i hold ethereum since 1 year?
[2016-07-26 05:40:57] jung1 : find some ethereum meetups in your area
[2016-07-26 05:42:48] jung1 : eth is 1 year?
[2016-07-26 05:42:56] jung1 : it was like end of august
[2016-07-26 05:42:59] jung1 : as I remember
[2016-07-26 05:43:50] fineregex : correct
[2016-07-26 05:43:52] fineregex : 50 weeks
[2016-07-26 05:44:15] fineregex : start of august
[2016-07-26 05:45:09] jung1 : about eth projects http://golemproject.net/ that one is from polish guys
[2016-07-26 05:45:09] jung1 : eth based
[2016-07-26 05:45:12] jung1 : really cool
[2016-07-26 05:45:19] fineregex : what was the name of the intermediary token again, before that?
[2016-07-26 05:46:59] jung1 : token of what? of eth?
[2016-07-26 05:47:27] fineregex : http://web.archive.org/web/20150709232122/http://coinmarketcap.com/#
[2016-07-26 05:47:31] fineregex : number 25.
[2016-07-26 05:47:41] jung1 : wonder what will happen when ETC is on bitfinex (this wednesday)
[2016-07-26 05:47:44] fineregex : ethercoin
[2016-07-26 05:48:16] jung1 : its related to ether?
[2016-07-26 05:48:30] jung1 : or its just altcoin made on eth hype
[2016-07-26 05:49:16] fineregex : it was a token backed by crowdsale participation it hink
[2016-07-26 05:49:25] fineregex : i think
[2016-07-26 05:49:45] jung1 : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=798031
[2016-07-26 05:49:47] jung1 : meh
[2016-07-26 05:51:03] jung1 : https://poloniex.com/exchange#btc_etc look at market depth
[2016-07-26 05:52:00] fineregex : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=798031.0
[2016-07-26 05:52:09] fineregex : :D
[2016-07-26 05:52:15] fineregex : yes
[2016-07-26 05:55:36] jung1 : http://themerkle.com/coinbase-tracks-user-funds-leaving-the-exchanges-wallets/
[2016-07-26 05:55:49] jung1 : with current banking system is not so easy like with bitcoin
[2016-07-26 06:03:24] Rado : If I buy ETH on Kraken and send it to Poloniex
[2016-07-26 06:03:45] Rado : Would they give me ETC for the same amount?
[2016-07-26 06:05:02] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 412 @ 650.28
[2016-07-26 06:05:58] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 200 @ 644.54
[2016-07-26 06:05:58] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTU16`: Sell 1300 @ 734.11
[2016-07-26 06:05:58] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 36500 @ 645.85 **MEGA-REKT** :boom:
[2016-07-26 06:05:58] REKT : :roller_coaster: :chart_with_downwards_trend: :japanese_goblin:
[2016-07-26 06:05:58] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 10000 @ 646.10
[2016-07-26 06:05:58] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 32 @ 644.90
[2016-07-26 06:06:01] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBJ24H`: Sell 2000 @ 67589.0
[2016-07-26 06:06:18] Tetsuo : kaching
[2016-07-26 06:07:28] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 2400 @ 643.58
[2016-07-26 06:07:28] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 151 @ 643.31
[2016-07-26 06:07:28] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 300 @ 643.22
[2016-07-26 06:07:28] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 105 @ 643.08
[2016-07-26 06:07:28] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 13 @ 643.99
[2016-07-26 06:07:37] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 2500 @ 642.87
[2016-07-26 06:07:52] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 10000 @ 642.35
[2016-07-26 06:08:09] macios15 : holy shit
[2016-07-26 06:09:53] ggwp : noice
[2016-07-26 06:10:07] macios15 : that's it for now probably
[2016-07-26 06:13:17] Mangalica : Rado: Not if they have done the walleting, which they probably have. (As opposed to Coinbase who allegedly haven't and leaked hundreds of thousands of ETC)
[2016-07-26 06:19:28] jung1 : damn
[2016-07-26 06:19:37] jung1 : so bitcoin is dead officially?
[2016-07-26 06:21:40] jung1 : 500$ before 700$
[2016-07-26 06:21:40] macios15 : nooo, it's catch a falling knife and hot potato game at once
[2016-07-26 06:23:29] jung1 : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=27348.0
[2016-07-26 06:25:32] elmorte : wtf did I just read :p
[2016-07-26 06:34:44] jung1 : http://uk.reuters.com/article/europe-bitcoin-etp-idUKL8N1AB27P
[2016-07-26 06:43:15] jung1 : damn etc bots are crazy on polo
[2016-07-26 06:44:46] Tetsuo : Good riddance BTC.
[2016-07-26 06:49:31] rapidtrades : any news?
[2016-07-26 06:51:04] Tetsuo : ETH fucked up confidence for the whole crypto scene, every coin is goin to suffer. Bitcoin block limit will never get higher.
[2016-07-26 06:51:20] rapidtrades : NOONE AXED U TTSUO
[2016-07-26 06:51:21] Tetsuo : everyone will die
[2016-07-26 06:51:41] Tetsuo : rapidtrades: : - (
[2016-07-26 06:52:29] jung1 : Bitcoin has probably been highly leveraged around these levels. This chop, or this sideways actions is making the people with leveraged bitcoins close, they are getting impatient.
[2016-07-26 06:53:15] Tetsuo : good news is that in 4 hours i will sit in the plane to Ibiza to stay there for the next 2 weeks , woooohoo
[2016-07-26 06:53:27] ersagun : Hey folks. As a complete newbie, what's the difference between Cross and 1x leverage if I want to short ETC?
[2016-07-26 06:54:09] bernx : eth seems like going down too
[2016-07-26 06:54:24] bernx : no reactin for btc drop and too much sell pressure
[2016-07-26 06:54:30] bernx : also there is still bubble
[2016-07-26 06:56:45] Tetsuo : bye folks, see you in 2 weeks @ sub 500$
[2016-07-26 07:00:49] BitMEX_Wally : ersagun: Cross means it uses all the margin in your account, whereas 1x means it uses 100% of the value of the position.
[2016-07-26 07:01:39] ersagun : BitMEX_Wally: Cheers mate
[2016-07-26 07:01:59] BitMEX_Wally : Of course, even at 1x short your position could be liquidated if the price doubled
[2016-07-26 07:03:19] jung1 : Tetsuo: see ya
[2016-07-26 07:03:37] jung1 : dont do drugs
[2016-07-26 07:03:46] mrp1nk : kek
[2016-07-26 07:03:50] ersagun : Gross Value 0.0013 XBT ; that's what I see when I'm trying to short ETC, for instance. Does that mean only that much is at risk if I go with that position?
[2016-07-26 07:04:40] jung1 : Im thinking of sell half of mine etc and rebuy after crash
[2016-07-26 07:08:54] mrp1nk : jung1: i have a thick resistance line at .001428
[2016-07-26 07:09:29] mrp1nk : but available data is ofc thin
[2016-07-26 07:09:41] lockhedge : ersagun: isolated margin is a very expensive risk management tool for etc24h, maintenance margin is >10%
[2016-07-26 07:09:56] jung1 : people could treat etc as a 2nd chance to get into ethereum at a great price and to preserve the original eth, not a Manipulated ETH
[2016-07-26 07:10:49] mrp1nk : jung1: fully agree
[2016-07-26 07:11:12] BitMEX_Wally : ersagun: The gross value is the value of the position. The 'cost' is the amount of margin required to open this position, and it decreases as you increase leverage
[2016-07-26 07:13:10] BitMEX_Wally : If you go short 1x you will have 0.0013 XBT margin at risk
[2016-07-26 07:13:35] ersagun : BitMEX_Wally: Aye, wanted to make sure :-)
[2016-07-26 07:21:42] jung1 : http://www.whattomine.com/
[2016-07-26 07:28:37] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 691 @ 0.02082
[2016-07-26 07:38:02] jung1 : 0.0014
[2016-07-26 07:38:03] jung1 : wee
[2016-07-26 07:41:52] jose : i need a ETC Perpetual Swap, i dont want to bother opening my position everyday :(
[2016-07-26 07:42:27] jung1 : so buy and hold
[2016-07-26 07:43:02] jose : i am holding ETH i want to short ETC until it dies
[2016-07-26 07:43:12] BitMEX_Wally : We will list an ETC perpetual swap if ETC lives
[2016-07-26 07:43:38] jung1 : BitMEX_Wally: what is your opinion about that?
[2016-07-26 07:43:47] jung1 : about etc
[2016-07-26 07:44:20] BitMEX_Wally : I think the HF was badly managed and communicated
[2016-07-26 07:44:40] BitMEX_Wally : We had no plans to launch ETC until people started trading it on Poloniex
[2016-07-26 07:44:44] jose : it wont die before 29th July, when the hacker will try to cash out
[2016-07-26 07:45:25] jose : as well as everyone who had money held by the DAO
[2016-07-26 07:45:35] mrp1nk : ok etc broke that line... so then ~0.15 maybe
[2016-07-26 07:45:50] jose : also when Kraken will give it users ETC for their ETH, it will have a big dump
[2016-07-26 07:46:56] jung1 : or people will wait for $10
[2016-07-26 07:46:59] rapidtrades : eth already up over 50%
[2016-07-26 07:47:06] rapidtrades : etc*
[2016-07-26 07:47:07] jung1 : 15
[2016-07-26 07:47:12] jung1 : now
[2016-07-26 07:48:08] jung1 : 155
[2016-07-26 07:48:17] rapidtrades : so if all etc holders get eth too, why don't they start dumping
[2016-07-26 07:48:31] jung1 : eth or etc?
[2016-07-26 07:48:39] rapidtrades : ETH
[2016-07-26 07:49:07] jung1 : people invest in eth and after HF they changed basicly main point of it
[2016-07-26 07:49:18] jose : because they think ETH will be the main chain :)
[2016-07-26 07:49:41] jung1 : but etc is what they invest in ico
[2016-07-26 07:50:00] jung1 : eth now its political ecosystem
[2016-07-26 07:52:23] rapidtrades : YEN PAIRS cant' find a bottom
[2016-07-26 07:52:39] rapidtrades : good thing the japs are sleeping and can't jawbone the yen lower
[2016-07-26 07:55:56] rapidtrades : jung1: so what do u do
[2016-07-26 07:56:55] jung1 : I bought etc under 0.001 and hold
[2016-07-26 07:57:08] jung1 : have some short on eth as well
[2016-07-26 07:58:03] rapidtrades : not a bad trade
[2016-07-26 07:58:47] mrp1nk : any thoughts on the btc? i got some orders filled in the low 640ish
[2016-07-26 07:59:30] jung1 : 500 before 700 is possible
[2016-07-26 07:59:49] jung1 : but watch out btc/eur market
[2016-07-26 07:59:51] jung1 : http://uk.reuters.com/article/europe-bitcoin-etp-idUKL8N1AB27P
[2016-07-26 08:00:02] jung1 : kind of europead gdax
[2016-07-26 08:00:36] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETC24H`: Buy 1659 @ 0.001598
[2016-07-26 08:00:38] jung1 : aaand 0016
[2016-07-26 08:01:55] rapidtrades : now 100% gain since last night
[2016-07-26 08:02:13] jung1 : and its just the begin imo
[2016-07-26 08:02:38] rapidtrades : at the bottom it was like 4% of eth value
[2016-07-26 08:02:46] jung1 : could be really similar as eth chart when it was listed on polo
[2016-07-26 08:03:14] jung1 : like form 0.002 to 0.01 in one week
[2016-07-26 08:04:19] jung1 : too bad that etc is not on polo there
[2016-07-26 08:06:21] rapidtrades : etc is on polo?
[2016-07-26 08:07:17] rapidtrades : nintendo down 11% lol
[2016-07-26 08:07:22] jung1 : https://poloniex.com/exchange#btc_etc
[2016-07-26 08:07:51] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC24H`: Sell 100 @ 0.001578
[2016-07-26 08:08:22] rapidtrades : jung1: yeah i know but u said this >>> jung1: too bad that etc is not on polo there
[2016-07-26 08:09:25] jung1 : *margin
[2016-07-26 08:09:27] jung1 : on polo
[2016-07-26 08:11:17] jung1 : https://twitter.com/cnLedger/status/757824263323738112
[2016-07-26 08:14:28] elmorte : I almost sold ETC at 075 before sleep yesterday...then I decided to leave it and suck up the losses, can't go below 050 by the morning. Good call in hindsight :)
[2016-07-26 08:16:33] jung1 : something to consider.. every ETH whale automatically is an ETC whale.. whales have a vested interest in making sure ETC works
[2016-07-26 08:17:04] mrp1nk : anyone shorting etc here?
[2016-07-26 08:18:44] jung1 : shorting during pump are dangerous
[2016-07-26 08:18:49] jung1 : imo
[2016-07-26 08:19:46] jung1 : https://steemit.com/cryptocurrency/@dogguy/3-reasons-why-ethereum-classic-etc-will-be-the-next-big-coin
[2016-07-26 08:23:55] mrp1nk : etc hopium intensifying
[2016-07-26 08:24:31] jung1 : small correction
[2016-07-26 08:25:35] mrp1nk : possible
[2016-07-26 08:26:28] elmorte : I'm afraid of ETC imploding...but then I think of the ETH fundamentals (or lack thereof) and I get scared for ETH too...
[2016-07-26 08:26:49] elmorte : I still have some Eth on finex
[2016-07-26 08:27:38] elmorte : What are we gonna do about LSK @jung1 ?
[2016-07-26 08:36:42] saeeds255 : How can I deposit etc ? i just see bitcoin deposit address :(
[2016-07-26 08:37:28] BitMEX_Wally : saeeds255: We only take Bitcoin
[2016-07-26 08:37:33] BitMEX_Wally : But you can use Bitcoin to go long or short ETC
[2016-07-26 08:38:19] saeeds255 : Ok, but I wanted to transfer my mined coins here!
[2016-07-26 08:38:45] jung1 : elmorte: hold
[2016-07-26 08:38:54] BitMEX_Wally : You can dump your coins on Poloniex or Bitfinex
[2016-07-26 08:38:59] jung1 : well if you will sell it even now you are + 200%
[2016-07-26 08:39:37] elmorte : I'm just impatient...
[2016-07-26 08:39:38] jung1 : saeeds255: shapeshift + bitmex deposit address
[2016-07-26 08:39:59] elmorte : Their blog is somewhat inactive
[2016-07-26 08:40:19] jung1 : elmorte: so sell half now and other half print on paperwallet and hide somewhere in your home or family
[2016-07-26 08:40:39] jung1 : yeah their marketing sucks a bit
[2016-07-26 08:40:46] jung1 : but still looks promissing
[2016-07-26 08:40:54] elmorte : lol. I sold enough to cover when it first listed. The remaining is pure profit...
[2016-07-26 08:41:19] elmorte : I just don't like the slow descent from high 4000s to low 4000s
[2016-07-26 08:42:26] jung1 : yeah and there is basicly no reaction for btc drops
[2016-07-26 08:43:10] jung1 : I also sold some to cover ico investment and bottle of whiskey so I hold the rest
[2016-07-26 08:46:41] jung1 : keep an eye on https://z.cash
[2016-07-26 08:48:37] jung1 : eth colume on polo 24k
[2016-07-26 08:48:42] jung1 : etc volume 20k
[2016-07-26 08:48:47] jung1 : shieeeet
[2016-07-26 08:50:34] elmorte : There's a lot of it to go around mind you...
[2016-07-26 08:51:02] elmorte : Even more when the Dao dude completes the split
[2016-07-26 08:51:31] jung1 : Yunbi ETC / CNY Trading Pair Listing Announcement 27th July: https://yunbi.com/bulletins
[2016-07-26 08:55:48] mrp1nk : jung1: zcash definitely interesting but zero-knowledge proofs not practical afaik
[2016-07-26 08:56:09] mrp1nk : computationally too expensive
[2016-07-26 09:07:29] mrp1nk : damn, 3k btc buy orders in the etc book
[2016-07-26 09:07:44] mrp1nk : the fomo is real
[2016-07-26 09:08:04] jung1 : wise people learn from other ppls mistakes... that ETC
[2016-07-26 09:09:02] mrp1nk : this is an obvious p&d - strong one
[2016-07-26 09:21:29] jung1 : ok lets test 0.002
[2016-07-26 09:22:55] macios15 : 4080 cny in next days
[2016-07-26 09:24:42] jesperf : if etc reaches 0.002 I will be in the green again, eliminating all my liquidation losses :D
[2016-07-26 09:25:46] jesperf : I picked up some near 0.0008 and don't think it's unreasonable that it crosses 0.002 today when trading volume surpasses ETH
[2016-07-26 09:28:15] jung1 : it's not unreasonable that it will cross 0.02
[2016-07-26 09:28:21] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETC24H`: Buy 5 @ 0.001677
[2016-07-26 09:32:11] jung1 : almost 22k volume
[2016-07-26 09:32:14] mrp1nk : ok here we go
[2016-07-26 09:32:25] jesperf : I wonder how anyone can keep up with the polo trololobox
[2016-07-26 09:32:51] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETC24H`: Buy 240 @ 0.001752
[2016-07-26 09:37:59] jung1 : yeah
[2016-07-26 09:38:02] jung1 : crazy
[2016-07-26 09:44:39] jung1 : Yuobi and Bitfinex are listing it tomorrow
[2016-07-26 09:45:20] jung1 : BITMEX ALWAYS STEP AHEAD
[2016-07-26 09:45:24] jung1 : whoop whoop
[2016-07-26 09:46:11] miramm1115 : Yunbi is a place where pumpers unload their coins on clueless "investors"
[2016-07-26 09:47:41] jung1 : its yobit
[2016-07-26 09:47:51] jung1 : yuobi its chinese
[2016-07-26 09:51:05] jung1 : this dao hacker is kind of satoshi for ethereum now
[2016-07-26 09:51:07] jung1 : hehe
[2016-07-26 09:53:51] Mangalica : he really is
[2016-07-26 09:54:39] ibnuH : dont be late to buy $ETC LOL
[2016-07-26 09:54:57] mrp1nk : very risky to buy at these prices
[2016-07-26 09:55:37] ibnuH : yup, i just bought at 82ksatoshi 100%PL
[2016-07-26 09:56:54] jung1 : hashrate increase , volume on polo is almost same as eth
[2016-07-26 09:57:18] jung1 : every price under 0.002 or even 0.003 is good imo
[2016-07-26 09:59:26] jung1 : but its funny now couse its up to services that keep customers coins like wallets or exchanges if they want to give people their ETC balance or just keep it forthemselves
[2016-07-26 10:00:51] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 41 @ 0.02019
[2016-07-26 10:02:32] elmorte : jesperf: nice one :)
[2016-07-26 10:03:33] elmorte : Is Finex giving the equivalent balance like Polo did as well @jung1 ?
[2016-07-26 10:03:43] jung1 : dunno
[2016-07-26 10:04:00] elmorte : If they do, that would cause bit of a dump.
[2016-07-26 10:04:06] Mangalica : yes if you had pre-fork ETH parked there
[2016-07-26 10:04:20] elmorte : I wanna fomo in....but almost got burnt last night
[2016-07-26 10:04:38] elmorte : Mangalica: cheers
[2016-07-26 10:05:36] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETC24H`: Buy 410 @ 0.001790
[2016-07-26 10:05:37] jung1 : 23200btc volume
[2016-07-26 10:05:46] jung1 : and counting
[2016-07-26 10:06:36] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETC24H`: Buy 77 @ 0.001842
[2016-07-26 10:06:36] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETC24H`: Buy 10 @ 0.001832
[2016-07-26 10:07:07] Mangalica : wow
[2016-07-26 10:07:20] wurstgelee : indeed
[2016-07-26 10:10:38] ibnuH : what happend $ETH o_O
[2016-07-26 10:10:58] jung1 : there is new eth ICO
[2016-07-26 10:11:01] jung1 : called ETC
[2016-07-26 10:11:06] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETC24H`: Buy 80 @ 0.001923
[2016-07-26 10:11:06] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETC24H`: Buy 200 @ 0.001926
[2016-07-26 10:11:22] jung1 : and you can switch as a early bird 1eth for 10etc
[2016-07-26 10:11:31] mrp1nk : lol
[2016-07-26 10:11:50] jung1 : good rate ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
[2016-07-26 10:11:58] elmorte : Was 200 yesterday :)
[2016-07-26 10:12:35] elmorte : that doesn't sound right...
[2016-07-26 10:12:56] elmorte : More like 20 :)
[2016-07-26 10:13:06] jung1 : aaaaaand 1/10 reached
[2016-07-26 10:14:02] elmorte : Damn I missed the boat....hopefully it's not a Titanic...
[2016-07-26 10:14:46] jung1 : its still cheap imo
[2016-07-26 10:15:14] elmorte : yes, but I can forsee a whale dump
[2016-07-26 10:15:28] elmorte : just wondering what the trigger point is
[2016-07-26 10:15:30] jung1 : 1eth=1etc=0.01btc in couple of weeks
[2016-07-26 10:15:33] jung1 : or evena days
[2016-07-26 10:15:57] mrp1nk : elmorte: it's getting harder and harder to clean the buy side
[2016-07-26 10:16:34] elmorte : 3400 BTC...true
[2016-07-26 10:17:58] mrp1nk : but i have bids placed, just in case
[2016-07-26 10:19:58] mrp1nk : i would really wonder if this doesn't dump to hell at least once more
[2016-07-26 10:20:04] rapidtrades : etc now at 10% of eth
[2016-07-26 10:20:43] jung1 : 25k volume
[2016-07-26 10:20:53] jung1 : not bad huh
[2016-07-26 10:22:29] ibnuH : buy eth @polo than ration 1:1 you can get etc for free
[2016-07-26 10:23:45] jung1 : it would be too easy
[2016-07-26 10:35:39] fineregex : etc miners stay at 5%
[2016-07-26 10:36:08] fineregex : *<5%
[2016-07-26 10:39:21] fineregex : mhh why isnt etc perpetual swap?
[2016-07-26 10:40:49] elmorte : They're not sure it has staying power
[2016-07-26 10:42:29] jung1 : but well not every altcoin have 26k volume after 2 days
[2016-07-26 10:43:20] fineregex : so at settlement everyone buys back?
[2016-07-26 10:43:48] fineregex : and there will be a lot of volume in the same minute
[2016-07-26 10:44:01] elmorte : only if they want to
[2016-07-26 10:44:21] fineregex : yes
[2016-07-26 10:44:23] elmorte : oh you mean the settlement itself?
[2016-07-26 10:44:59] elmorte : All the positions get closed at the settlement price. You can reopen at will
[2016-07-26 10:45:23] fineregex : yes, i mean reopening must be crazy moments
[2016-07-26 10:45:28] ibnuH : huge price etc spot and eth24h LOL
[2016-07-26 10:52:22] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 2114 @ 0.01955
[2016-07-26 10:52:22] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 110 @ 0.01955
[2016-07-26 10:54:09] Mangalica : Vitalium foundation Skype screenshots leaked
[2016-07-26 10:54:15] Mangalica : https://www.reddit.com/r/EthereumClassic/comments/4uo04k/leaked_ethereum_foundation_skype_messages_devs/
[2016-07-26 11:00:13] fineregex : what is special about the screenshot?
[2016-07-26 11:02:55] Mangalica : well it brings up some interesting questions, how they were talking about dumping ETC to zero
[2016-07-26 11:03:24] men : wow etc :D
[2016-07-26 11:04:09] ayy_lmao : parabolic
[2016-07-26 11:05:21] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETC24H`: Buy 100 @ 0.002282
[2016-07-26 11:05:51] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETC24H`: Buy 100 @ 0.002310
[2016-07-26 11:05:51] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETC24H`: Buy 16 @ 0.002303
[2016-07-26 11:06:16] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETC24H`: Buy 105 @ 0.002371
[2016-07-26 11:09:06] jung1 : 00275 on polo
[2016-07-26 11:09:07] macios15 : insane
[2016-07-26 11:09:15] jung1 : ethereum pump #2
[2016-07-26 11:09:21] jung1 : same as in august
[2016-07-26 11:09:28] jung1 : cant wait for next hardfork
[2016-07-26 11:09:30] jung1 : hehe
[2016-07-26 11:09:30] jesperf : wow this is madness, i didn't expect it to hit 0.0025 so soon
[2016-07-26 11:09:46] jesperf : my 0.020 sell was filled when I was out on a run
[2016-07-26 11:09:58] jesperf : but I don't mind, I am now officially back in business
[2016-07-26 11:10:12] jesperf : oops, forgot a zero there
[2016-07-26 11:10:14] jung1 : 30k volume
[2016-07-26 11:10:51] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC24H`: Sell 1084 @ 0.002250
[2016-07-26 11:11:33] jung1 : nice dump
[2016-07-26 11:11:37] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC24H`: Sell 1300 @ 0.001999
[2016-07-26 11:11:37] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC24H`: Sell 100 @ 0.002059
[2016-07-26 11:11:37] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC24H`: Sell 68 @ 0.002112
[2016-07-26 11:11:59] jesperf : this is utter madness :D
[2016-07-26 11:12:06] macios15 : time to buy now lol
[2016-07-26 11:12:08] ayy_lmao : lol
[2016-07-26 11:12:15] ayy_lmao : crazy volume
[2016-07-26 11:12:24] jung1 : ah man I love crypto
[2016-07-26 11:13:21] macios15 : almost first at polo
[2016-07-26 11:14:14] Mangalica : some minor volatility here :P
[2016-07-26 11:16:16] jesperf : now ETC is the most traded currency at polo
[2016-07-26 11:18:04] fineregex : @jesperf: sad
[2016-07-26 11:18:57] jesperf : I'm not sad, I made 13 BTC in one day
[2016-07-26 11:20:08] jung1 : Mangalica: damn those screenshots
[2016-07-26 11:20:15] jung1 : this is why we need etc
[2016-07-26 11:21:06] mike1000 : jesperf: made on polo or here?
[2016-07-26 11:21:37] jesperf : mike1000: on polo, without leverage
[2016-07-26 11:22:12] mike1000 : wow, cool, ETC is the shit )
[2016-07-26 11:22:17] jesperf : I seem to mostly lose when I'm using leverage :D
[2016-07-26 11:22:21] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 500 @ 0.01937
[2016-07-26 11:22:47] jung1 : but it have bigger impact on eth price than bitcoin right now
[2016-07-26 11:23:15] mike1000 : jesperf: without leverage you mean exchange, not margin trading?
[2016-07-26 11:23:59] jesperf : mike1000: yes, regular exchange trading
[2016-07-26 11:24:51] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 29 @ 0.01925
[2016-07-26 11:25:02] jesperf : I'm not sure if polo has put ETC on their margin traded currencies yet
[2016-07-26 11:25:21] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 20 @ 0.01919
[2016-07-26 11:25:29] Mangalica : not yet
[2016-07-26 11:25:29] jung1 : finex tommorow add it
[2016-07-26 11:25:30] jung1 : not yet https://poloniex.com/marginTrading#btc_eth
[2016-07-26 11:28:22] REKT : Liquidated long on `LSKXBT`: Sell 20 @ 0.000403
[2016-07-26 11:37:14] ixess : everything else going down, i sold all my other coins because everything is going to etc
[2016-07-26 11:54:23] fineregex : ETC is corrupt, 15% in the hand of a hacker
[2016-07-26 11:54:44] fineregex : 4% of the hashing power of ETH, because the price is >10%
[2016-07-26 11:55:25] fineregex : some miners are greedy
[2016-07-26 11:55:47] fineregex : others dont want to bother for shortterm nonsense supporting a hacker
[2016-07-26 12:02:08] mrp1nk : fineregex: what about immutability
[2016-07-26 12:08:00] fineregex : democratic decision is a lower level
[2016-07-26 12:08:33] Mangalica : that's happening right now
[2016-07-26 12:09:22] ggwp : what's up with the crazy orderbook on jpy?
[2016-07-26 12:09:28] ggwp : *xbj
[2016-07-26 12:12:05] mrp1nk : wow, etc buy order 4k btc now and growing
[2016-07-26 12:12:14] mrp1nk : any targets?
[2016-07-26 12:12:57] rapidtrades : mrp1nk: what