This is a mirror of the original BitMEX trollbox archive that used to be online here.
BitMEX disabled their archive after the DDOS attack so I have decided to make my mirror publicly available.

Well now, a few days after I made this mirror available to the public, the original archive from BitMEX is online again.
But since it is still limited (neutered to the last few hundred messages) I will keep my FULL mirror alive.

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[2016-07-25 04:34:35] jung1 : Im doing screenshots of charts and stuff
[2016-07-25 04:34:47] jung1 : and put it in folder for my grandchildren
[2016-07-25 04:35:03] jung1 : and I' going to tell then that story
[2016-07-25 04:35:08] jung1 : next to fireplace
[2016-07-25 04:36:50] zanza : :D
[2016-07-25 04:38:09] jung1 : imo now its good time to start working on some kind of blockchain/altcoin moody's agency
[2016-07-25 04:38:16] jung1 : to say people what is good
[2016-07-25 04:38:22] jung1 : and what is not
[2016-07-25 04:39:58] zanza : yeah like S&P
[2016-07-25 04:44:35] 1QaZxSw2 : can someone point links to mining ethc?
[2016-07-25 04:46:45] zanza : https://www.reddit.com/r/EthereumClassic/comments/4udpjm/poloniex_has_single_handedly_saved_ethereum/
[2016-07-25 04:47:11] jung1 : https://ethereumclassic.github.io/
[2016-07-25 04:47:41] 1QaZxSw2 : thanks guys
[2016-07-25 04:53:20] jung1 : If I will run rating agency I will give bitmex AAA+
[2016-07-25 04:55:15] 1QaZxSw2 : so if i buy 660.71 and sell at 660.72, my profit is one satoshi? (neglecting fees, etc)
[2016-07-25 04:56:14] jung1 : depends on margin
[2016-07-25 04:56:29] jung1 : and leverage
[2016-07-25 04:58:55] micmix : jung1: no, profit amount doesn't depend on margin or leverage, only on the position size
[2016-07-25 05:00:14] micmix : all calculations here: https://www.bitmex.com/app/quantoVsInverse
[2016-07-25 05:05:33] jung1 : right
[2016-07-25 05:05:56] zanza : there is a trade calculator also
[2016-07-25 05:06:01] jung1 : well that etc have some chance to have similar price as ethereum
[2016-07-25 05:23:42] zanza : there is a chance
[2016-07-25 05:24:57] zanza : could be a longshot interesting risk to take
[2016-07-25 05:25:24] jung1 : http://i.imgur.com/iw4J1XU.jpg
[2016-07-25 05:26:14] BitMEX_Sam : Ahaha nice one @jung1
[2016-07-25 05:28:05] jung1 : anyone going to devcon?
[2016-07-25 05:28:08] jung1 : https://ethereumfoundation.org/devcon/
[2016-07-25 05:28:54] bernx : seems like eth just going jump from cliff
[2016-07-25 05:29:07] jung1 : which one?
[2016-07-25 05:30:06] jung1 : Im start to buy some etc
[2016-07-25 05:35:33] jung1 : or I will wait a bit
[2016-07-25 05:45:13] elmorte : Up early today @jung1 ?
[2016-07-25 05:45:32] jung1 : money never sleep
[2016-07-25 05:46:40] elmorte : I see you had a few caffeine shots :p
[2016-07-25 05:47:21] elmorte : BitMEX announced adding ETC?
[2016-07-25 05:48:35] elmorte : https://www.reddit.com/r/EthereumClassic/comments/4udpjm/poloniex_has_single_handedly_saved_ethereum/d5pjckx
[2016-07-25 05:49:39] jung1 : yeah
[2016-07-25 05:49:41] jung1 : on trollbox
[2016-07-25 05:49:45] jung1 : insider info so far
[2016-07-25 05:52:18] elmorte : Not really since the archive is public
[2016-07-25 05:52:37] BitMEX_Sam : Shhhhhh
[2016-07-25 05:54:02] jung1 : elmorte: you destroy everything
[2016-07-25 05:54:13] elmorte : Better announce 24h in advance or the ethtrader gonna hate ya!
[2016-07-25 05:54:19] elmorte : jung1: you sound like my wife :p
[2016-07-25 05:55:54] jung1 : she has to be wise woman
[2016-07-25 05:56:02] elmorte : indeed :)
[2016-07-25 05:56:16] elmorte : questionable life choices, but no one's perfect
[2016-07-25 05:57:47] elmorte : so etc huh....at first I was like "yeah, DOA"...then the Polo thing came out
[2016-07-25 05:58:53] bernx : guys how much depo you have there? seems it's so hard to join good with this spreads
[2016-07-25 05:59:11] elmorte : where?
[2016-07-25 05:59:23] bernx : bitmex
[2016-07-25 05:59:24] bernx : eth
[2016-07-25 05:59:28] jung1 : https://bitflikz.com/blogs/news/ethereum-whales-offer-legal-support-for-dao-hacker-challenging-foundation good read
[2016-07-25 05:59:35] jung1 : will be fun
[2016-07-25 06:00:11] elmorte : Having a FOMO about ETC, trying to rationalize it as those that got it for free will wanna pump&dump
[2016-07-25 06:00:36] bernx : about etc i think it will be and it will get x3 from there
[2016-07-25 06:00:42] jung1 : read that link elmo
[2016-07-25 06:00:51] bernx : too much etc lost, too much suply at devs and also in dao
[2016-07-25 06:00:51] elmorte : cheers @jung1
[2016-07-25 06:01:26] elmorte : bernx: I have enough BTC to not worry about getting liquidated.
[2016-07-25 06:02:08] bernx : I just open a position, x33, 0.0005 change in price with this spread and looks too hurt!
[2016-07-25 06:03:37] bernx : just maybe some tips :D
[2016-07-25 06:05:18] jung1 : buy low sell high
[2016-07-25 06:06:06] elmorte : bernx: didn't you warn me two days ago not to trade eth here?
[2016-07-25 06:06:17] elmorte : jung1: I don't like the smug tone of that article...
[2016-07-25 06:06:26] elmorte : And I
[2016-07-25 06:06:39] elmorte : am not aware of the legal repercussions...
[2016-07-25 06:07:02] bernx : elmorte: this is I was. And this is good advice, no?
[2016-07-25 06:07:21] elmorte : It was :) So why did you trade it then?
[2016-07-25 06:07:43] elmorte : Everything sounds like FUD @jung1 ... even this article :(
[2016-07-25 06:08:31] bernx : elmorte: -9.7083 XBT
[2016-07-25 06:08:48] bernx : why no already :D
[2016-07-25 06:08:49] elmorte : yeah, I saw you mention it earlier....ouch man
[2016-07-25 06:09:28] elmorte : If it makes you feel better, I went long spot at the top...
[2016-07-25 06:09:46] elmorte : one scalp too many :/
[2016-07-25 06:10:19] elmorte : I need around 228 to break even
[2016-07-25 06:11:24] bernx : ETH think will reach 250 soon. They have to do it for any price
[2016-07-25 06:11:40] bernx : Becouse if no - eth can die, and etc grow
[2016-07-25 06:13:34] elmorte : If not for ETC I'm sure it would've been on the way slowly to at least 240...and perhaps break out to 320 like it did before the DAO attack
[2016-07-25 06:14:03] bernx : there s some info about eth deposit don't work on polo for already 4 hour
[2016-07-25 06:14:10] elmorte : Now I have no clue...too many strong & opposite sentiments
[2016-07-25 06:14:23] mrp1nk : elmorte: chance are good that the eth pumping group is active again
[2016-07-25 06:14:27] elmorte : LSK withdrawal says temp disabled as well...
[2016-07-25 06:14:35] mrp1nk : chances
[2016-07-25 06:14:54] elmorte : mrp1nk: pump and dump or just pump?
[2016-07-25 06:15:42] mrp1nk : dunno, all i see and hear is that they operate on workdays
[2016-07-25 06:15:56] elmorte : Hehe...cool, thanks for sharing
[2016-07-25 06:16:23] elmorte : The eth devs have an equivalent balance of etc as well, right? So it's kind of in their economic interest to support both chains...?
[2016-07-25 06:16:50] mrp1nk : i think the eth devs don't like etc
[2016-07-25 06:17:00] bernx : https://www.f2pool.com/help#faq-overview
[2016-07-25 06:17:03] bernx : he add etc
[2016-07-25 06:17:30] bernx : just for me, they will support both chain. this case they have more money for support eth
[2016-07-25 06:19:37] elmorte : mrp1nk: I presume so too. But they have money in it...
[2016-07-25 06:21:18] jung1 : would be awesome if ETC will drop to 1btc/7500etc rate
[2016-07-25 06:21:31] jung1 : and then go back to live
[2016-07-25 06:23:06] jung1 : https://twitter.com/barrysilbert/status/757318660595781634
[2016-07-25 06:23:07] BitMEX_Wally : ETC24H is live: https://www.bitmex.com/app/trade/ETC24H
[2016-07-25 06:23:24] mrp1nk : from my point of view a eth pump would make sense to give eth holders some confidence. i would also not wonder if they wipe the etc polo book with one big sell
[2016-07-25 06:23:29] elmorte : BitMEX_Wally: w00t
[2016-07-25 06:24:18] elmorte : it's a quanto?
[2016-07-25 06:24:38] elmorte : nvm.
[2016-07-25 06:24:45] jung1 : ETH/ETC market would be fun
[2016-07-25 06:25:18] BitMEX_Wally : jung1: We would have to quanto it into Bitcoin for settlement, so it's harder to arb
[2016-07-25 06:26:29] BitMEX_Wally : (meaning harder for market makers to hedge)
[2016-07-25 06:27:40] jung1 : what you thoughts about etc?
[2016-07-25 06:32:02] elmorte : Not going to survive the night according to the futures here...
[2016-07-25 06:33:16] miramm1115 : ETC with 2% spread lol
[2016-07-25 06:34:40] bernx : x5
[2016-07-25 06:34:41] miramm1115 : and not a single buy ;-)
[2016-07-25 06:34:48] bernx : what you think about lol
[2016-07-25 06:35:12] miramm1115 : some buys now, nice
[2016-07-25 06:35:14] bernx : but anyway it's good to drop.
[2016-07-25 06:36:01] jung1 : I will see but I think is not so bad to buy some at 0.0005
[2016-07-25 06:36:37] jung1 : maybe after next HF there will be Ethereum Classic Legit
[2016-07-25 06:37:01] mrp1nk : i could imagine it to become something like ltc
[2016-07-25 06:37:57] bernx : i think after this all dumps gone ETC will grow x10
[2016-07-25 06:38:19] bernx : to 0.005 or same
[2016-07-25 06:38:32] Mangalica : ETC book empty
[2016-07-25 06:38:36] bernx : lold
[2016-07-25 06:38:43] bernx : Bitmex help us!
[2016-07-25 06:39:52] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETHXBT`: Buy 33 @ 0.02045
[2016-07-25 06:40:58] jung1 : huge dump on polo
[2016-07-25 06:41:20] mrp1nk : indeed
[2016-07-25 06:41:21] mrp1nk : lol
[2016-07-25 06:41:30] mrp1nk : as if they waited for bitmex to add it
[2016-07-25 06:41:31] mrp1nk : kek
[2016-07-25 06:41:51] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC24H`: Sell 300 @ 0.00091
[2016-07-25 06:42:08] elmorte : man!
[2016-07-25 06:42:08] bernx : куле
[2016-07-25 06:42:15] bernx : rekt
[2016-07-25 06:42:34] elmorte : I'm so glad I didn't have any avail. BTC on Polo to buy a few ETC
[2016-07-25 06:42:49] elmorte : First REKT on ETC didn't take long...
[2016-07-25 06:43:13] jung1 : maybe they want to make ETC chart looks like ethereum
[2016-07-25 06:43:22] mrp1nk : now this is gonna be an interesting fight
[2016-07-25 06:43:26] bernx : i almost short 300 etc @900 :(((
[2016-07-25 06:43:35] jung1 : so lets go to 0.0002
[2016-07-25 06:43:49] jung1 : and then to 0.02
[2016-07-25 06:44:54] jung1 : well at least there will be a dead cat bounce on ETC, there always is
[2016-07-25 06:45:21] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETC24H`: Buy 149 @ 0.00098
[2016-07-25 06:45:27] bernx : wow
[2016-07-25 06:45:52] jung1 : such moves with 25k volume
[2016-07-25 06:46:00] jung1 : LIVE LONG CRYPTO
[2016-07-25 06:46:07] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETHXBT`: Buy 377 @ 0.02059
[2016-07-25 06:49:01] messiaen8844 : niiice we have ETC thanks bitmex
[2016-07-25 06:49:18] elmorte : Looks like that group is making good on holding the 0.001 line...
[2016-07-25 06:49:39] jung1 : ETC's marketcap lost almost 20 million in half an hour
[2016-07-25 06:50:49] mrp1nk : i guess this are the same ppl that pump eth
[2016-07-25 06:51:17] jung1 : I dont like that move of fixing dao
[2016-07-25 06:52:01] jung1 : Etc looks like it will be same as was said in whitepaper
[2016-07-25 06:52:33] jung1 : but as long as there will be no ddaps or smart contracts on etc it will be not ethereum
[2016-07-25 06:53:07] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 398 @ 654.00
[2016-07-25 06:55:12] bernx : wow btc crash
[2016-07-25 06:57:37] jung1 : maybe eth holders dump etc and cashout
[2016-07-25 06:57:43] jung1 : in $
[2016-07-25 06:58:00] ayy_lmao : since when did bitmex give you access to your losses if you made them back in profits before funding round?
[2016-07-25 07:04:07] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETHXBT`: Buy 100 @ 0.02091
[2016-07-25 07:05:09] elmorte : jung1: I thought any dapps built on eth can be ported to etc?
[2016-07-25 07:05:59] bernx : elmorte: every
[2016-07-25 07:06:06] bernx : same code, same devs
[2016-07-25 07:06:23] jung1 : yes but so far noone officially support it
[2016-07-25 07:06:25] elmorte : yup...just wondering why he sad etc wouldn't have the,
[2016-07-25 07:06:33] elmorte : Ah, k
[2016-07-25 07:07:25] elmorte : Switching from polo mobile to polo desktop just to be able to make/cancel orders is a pain...
[2016-07-25 07:07:37] elmorte : Which part of the desktop UI makes it so laggy?
[2016-07-25 07:09:31] ayy_lmao : orderbook?
[2016-07-25 07:09:41] ayy_lmao : prob the orderbook updates
[2016-07-25 07:10:00] ayy_lmao : you can delay them so its not as taxing on your system
[2016-07-25 07:10:09] elmorte : But even after throttling it's the same
[2016-07-25 07:10:23] elmorte : throttled, reduced the decimals...
[2016-07-25 07:10:40] ayy_lmao : thats order grouping
[2016-07-25 07:11:02] elmorte : throttling reduces the frequency of updates though
[2016-07-25 07:11:18] ayy_lmao : not sure why its laggy for you. fine on my end
[2016-07-25 07:11:18] elmorte : I set it at 5 seconds and I still can't scroll down to cancel the frickin order...
[2016-07-25 07:11:35] bernx : buy new pc, dunno
[2016-07-25 07:11:54] elmorte : K, I'll fire up my Surface just for Polo :p
[2016-07-25 07:11:58] ayy_lmao : if you are on chrome, check the task manager so you can see how much ram and cpu polo takes for you
[2016-07-25 07:12:26] ayy_lmao : might be a memory leak
[2016-07-25 07:13:02] elmorte : Oh yeah, made some money with the ETC/ETH/BTC arbitrage :)
[2016-07-25 07:13:03] ayy_lmao : polo is using 800 mb of ram for me lol
[2016-07-25 07:13:49] elmorte : Yeah, 350MB here but 10-25% CPU :/
[2016-07-25 07:16:44] elmorte : Effectively sold ETH for 0.0216815 BTC/ETH
[2016-07-25 07:18:29] Rado : elmorte: nice
[2016-07-25 07:18:39] Rado : How did you do it?
[2016-07-25 07:19:54] jung1 : Rado: are you adding etc to your bot?
[2016-07-25 07:19:56] elmorte : ETC/ETH was really undervalued...sold ETH for ETC, sold ETC for BTC
[2016-07-25 07:20:08] elmorte : So yeah, your bot would kill it with that
[2016-07-25 07:21:01] elmorte : I was counting on that 0.001 support for ETC on BTC
[2016-07-25 07:21:22] elmorte : seems it's been broken for good now though
[2016-07-25 07:25:38] Rado : jung1: it doesn't trade on margin
[2016-07-25 07:26:02] jung1 : so far
[2016-07-25 07:27:08] Rado : I think ETC is going to 0
[2016-07-25 07:28:07] bernx : Don't think so. support from eth dev team, no some shit and etc
[2016-07-25 07:28:35] jung1 : let it fall bit more
[2016-07-25 07:29:07] jung1 : but it could be good bet for someone that missed eth IPO
[2016-07-25 07:33:49] Rado : bernx: if no one mines it it will go to 0
[2016-07-25 07:34:23] Rado : Why would you mine if you can't make money
[2016-07-25 07:35:02] elmorte : Has the mining difficulty adjusted yet?
[2016-07-25 07:41:56] jung1 : etc will be on shapeshift tommorow
[2016-07-25 07:44:09] jung1 : elmorte: ETC in 1 hour lost 50 GH/s down from 310 GH/s to 260 http://fork.ethstats.net/
[2016-07-25 07:44:28] laisee : death of a pretender coin ...
[2016-07-25 07:44:34] elmorte : yeah, I'm watching it....while Eth went over 4k
[2016-07-25 07:45:11] elmorte : It was down to 3.6k during the doomsday predictions yesterday
[2016-07-25 07:46:28] laisee : its a new e-sport - the birth, life & death struggle of new crypto-currencies.
[2016-07-25 07:47:30] jung1 : but its first one from hard fork
[2016-07-25 07:48:26] jung1 : previous ones was just copycats
[2016-07-25 07:50:12] elmorte : Last time I was this addicted to watching numbers on a screen was more than 10 years ago....playing text based war games
[2016-07-25 07:51:39] jung1 : http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1016268/
[2016-07-25 07:51:51] jung1 : sometimes I feel like thin in crypto
[2016-07-25 08:03:44] bernx : feel like thi is peak right now for eth
[2016-07-25 08:03:51] bernx : if whales dont put walls
[2016-07-25 08:08:06] laisee : elmorte: Enron was like a small taster for what was to come in 2008
[2016-07-25 08:09:24] laisee : sorry, that was for Jung1
[2016-07-25 08:16:52] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 22 @ 0.02053
[2016-07-25 08:19:35] laisee : exciting weekend, now its a case of the mondays ...
[2016-07-25 08:23:13] bernx : too big sell wall...
[2016-07-25 08:24:07] bernx : almost 1/6 from all sell depth in ranget from 209 to 2012
[2016-07-25 08:24:07] jung1 : laisee: yeah but all that crypto stuff looks quite similar to that. Only few understand that and big money involved
[2016-07-25 08:28:36] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETC24H`: Buy 500 @ 0.00112
[2016-07-25 08:30:42] jung1 : I bought some at 0.0009
[2016-07-25 08:30:50] jung1 : time to hold
[2016-07-25 08:31:45] jung1 : Buy ETC, make ETH great again
[2016-07-25 08:31:49] jung1 : ;)
[2016-07-25 08:33:58] bernx : would buy soon too
[2016-07-25 08:34:10] bernx : seems like eth whales lost game
[2016-07-25 08:44:38] jung1 : but now its quite easy to make 51% attack on etc
[2016-07-25 08:44:59] jung1 : am I right?
[2016-07-25 08:45:59] elmorte : jung1: there's an arbitrage now the other way...sell ETC for BTC for ETH for ETC
[2016-07-25 08:46:54] elmorte : 51% attack would be expensive from what I read...and not make sense unless they had 60% or more
[2016-07-25 08:55:27] elmorte : 51% would just be plain spite
[2016-07-25 08:59:29] jung1 : but that hacker now can dump all coins on polo
[2016-07-25 08:59:53] mrp1nk : not yet afaik
[2016-07-25 09:00:09] mrp1nk : somewhere i read end of august
[2016-07-25 09:02:05] haxmb : ETC is fun and interesting, but it's not gonna survive
[2016-07-25 09:02:12] haxmb : i love the volatility it brings
[2016-07-25 09:03:26] jung1 : what if it will be litecoin for ethereum?
[2016-07-25 09:06:09] rullwull : eth to the floor!
[2016-07-25 09:07:34] elmorte : what is the purpose of litecoin anyway? Why is it so popular in China?
[2016-07-25 09:08:02] jung1 : have no idea
[2016-07-25 09:08:23] jung1 : maybe they are preparing for biger pump
[2016-07-25 09:08:24] elmorte : hehe...
[2016-07-25 09:08:46] jung1 : or maybe people like it because its boring
[2016-07-25 09:09:01] jung1 : there are no such drama like in btc or eth
[2016-07-25 09:09:28] bernx : again im lose for add margin and there is add some new walls
[2016-07-25 09:09:29] bernx : argh
[2016-07-25 09:09:48] elmorte : bernx: what happened?
[2016-07-25 09:09:51] rullwull : ltc main usage to back btc when btc network is under attack, however heard a rumors that chinese are working on ltc upgrade with smart contract function
[2016-07-25 09:10:18] bernx : only 200k left at polo before liq price, so i just sell some for add margin
[2016-07-25 09:10:31] bernx : and right at this moment they put wall
[2016-07-25 09:10:38] haxmb : bernx: wat
[2016-07-25 09:10:48] elmorte : is there a lot of fiat to ltc exchanges?
[2016-07-25 09:11:09] jung1 : elmorte: most of exchanges have it
[2016-07-25 09:11:13] jung1 : ltc/$
[2016-07-25 09:11:45] elmorte : but can you withdraw the fiat?
[2016-07-25 09:13:05] jung1 : shure
[2016-07-25 09:13:13] jung1 : kraken, c-ccex, bitfinex, polo
[2016-07-25 09:13:16] jung1 : bitbay
[2016-07-25 09:13:26] elmorte : ok...so there is some intrinsic value to it then.
[2016-07-25 09:13:35] elmorte : I'd have to convert it to BTC to cash out...
[2016-07-25 09:15:19] jung1 : https://litecoin.info/Category:Services#Market_exchanges
[2016-07-25 09:16:07] elmorte : Thanks, don't mean to make you google for me :)
[2016-07-25 09:16:51] elmorte : Anybody read any more about this retribution attack on Polo regarding ETC listing?
[2016-07-25 09:20:38] elmorte : Some free publicity for BitMEX with ETC listing...good job marketing!
[2016-07-25 09:22:24] jung1 : np
[2016-07-25 09:23:53] jung1 : http://skillincubator.com/courses/bitcoin-trading-mastery
[2016-07-25 09:23:58] jung1 : 500$
[2016-07-25 09:24:07] jung1 : not bad huh
[2016-07-25 09:27:29] elmorte : He should charge in BTC
[2016-07-25 09:29:28] jung1 : I can make it for 400
[2016-07-25 09:29:33] jung1 : good deal
[2016-07-25 09:29:35] jung1 : imo
[2016-07-25 09:30:03] elmorte : I was gonna say....what happened to that plan btw?
[2016-07-25 09:32:40] jung1 : what plan?
[2016-07-25 09:41:47] jung1 : https://www.gsx.gi/article/8292/gibraltar-stock-exchange-welcomes-bitcoineti
[2016-07-25 09:48:50] elmorte : Your advice sharing investment portal
[2016-07-25 09:48:59] jung1 : in progress
[2016-07-25 09:50:05] elmorte : cool
[2016-07-25 10:17:49] jung1 : http://slacknation.github.io/medium/13/13.html
[2016-07-25 10:18:13] jung1 : chart to track etc/eth price and hashrate
[2016-07-25 10:19:04] justinlooking : n1 jung1
[2016-07-25 10:19:24] elmorte : slacknation posts some pretty cool stuff
[2016-07-25 10:22:28] jung1 : BITMEX TROLLBOX: ALWAYS STEP AHEAD
[2016-07-25 10:28:35] mrp1nk : jung1: TRUE DAT
[2016-07-25 10:28:53] mrp1nk : sharing is caring
[2016-07-25 10:34:32] NukeLaloosh : jung1: that's your bitcoin trading course?
[2016-07-25 10:40:03] elmorte : Nah, some random dude
[2016-07-25 10:49:12] BuzzLightYear : Guys, during the recent volatile price movement significant amount of my fund got liquidated but the chart history never reached the liquidation price. I narrowed down the chart to 1 min and the lowest price is still larger than the liquidation price. Any help?
[2016-07-25 10:51:08] mrp1nk : BuzzLightYear: maybe it's due to the difference between mark price and index price?
[2016-07-25 10:51:41] BuzzLightYear : mrp1nk: Oh... I see. The liquidation is not based on the index price, right?
[2016-07-25 10:52:18] mrp1nk : afaik it's based on the mark price, but you can check it in detail in the contract descriptions
[2016-07-25 10:53:33] BuzzLightYear : mrp1nk: thank you for your help. It is my fault. Damn ethereum classic. It went down too deep.
[2016-07-25 10:53:54] BuzzLightYear : mrp1nk: I will check the contract description again. Thanks!
[2016-07-25 10:54:03] mrp1nk : np, your welcome
[2016-07-25 10:55:05] miramm1115 : BuzzLightYear: liquidations are always on mark price, not on the last trade price to avoid manipulation
[2016-07-25 10:56:52] BuzzLightYear : miramm1115: It makes sense. Thanks for the clarification. So it is possible the mark price can be lower than the lowest index price during certain time period?
[2016-07-25 10:58:05] BitMEX_Wally : It is possible, if there is a negative fair basis
[2016-07-25 10:58:28] BitMEX_Wally : In this case there was no basis, so markPrice = index price
[2016-07-25 10:59:23] BitMEX_Wally : `.ETHXBT` the index dropped to 0.0185. Have a look at the line (not the candles) on the chart
[2016-07-25 11:04:36] BuzzLightYear : BitMEX_Wally: I am looking at the line but it seems to me the index still is above the liquidation limit ??
[2016-07-25 11:11:39] BitMEX_Wally : Are you looking at the right time?
[2016-07-25 11:11:50] BitMEX_Wally : 2016.07.24D17:39:51 UTC
[2016-07-25 11:12:08] BitMEX_Wally : `.ETHXBT` the index (and `ETHXBT` the swap) dropped to 0.0185
[2016-07-25 11:12:31] BitMEX_Wally : 2016.07.25 01:39:51 HKT
[2016-07-25 11:14:19] BuzzLightYear : BitMEX_Wally: thanks for your help. I will double check.
[2016-07-25 11:19:07] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 800 @ 0.02029
[2016-07-25 12:00:26] mrp1nk : kek
[2016-07-25 12:37:20] EMIRG : Hi Bitmex can you Add EMIRG to your exchange ? https://twitter.com/EMIRG_SHA256
[2016-07-25 12:53:11] BitMEX_Wally : EMIRG: Once it is in the top 5 marketshare, or top 5 in traded volume
[2016-07-25 14:20:21] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC24H`: Sell 340 @ 0.00090
[2016-07-25 14:22:13] jesperf : DPE Enabled Yes: This contract is highly highly speculative.
[2016-07-25 14:22:21] jesperf : double rainbow all the way!
[2016-07-25 14:25:23] BitMEX_Sam : Looks like someone someone made a typo
[2016-07-25 14:25:46] jesperf : looks looks that way
[2016-07-25 14:26:11] jesperf : it also makes it seem extra risky
[2016-07-25 15:13:00] nip : BitMEX_Wally: is the premium index calculated using spot price or mark price?
[2016-07-25 15:15:05] BitMEX_Greg : nip: Hey nip, take a look at https://www.bitmex.com/app/swapsGuide#premium-index
[2016-07-25 15:15:26] BitMEX_Greg : Essentially we are comparing the traded price to mark price to calculate the premium
[2016-07-25 15:32:59] nip : BitMEX_Greg: Can you check the support ticket I just opened?
[2016-07-25 15:33:11] BitMEX_Wally : nip: I'm on it
[2016-07-25 15:35:04] BitMEX_Wally : nip: The premium index is calculated as a premium above/below the fair price, and then the current funding rate is added so that it is recorded as an absolute premium above/below the index
[2016-07-25 15:36:17] BitMEX_Wally : The current funding rate is -0.6492% so if the fair price is within the bid/offer then `.FCTXBTPI` will be recorded as -0.006492
[2016-07-25 15:36:32] nip : look at it now
[2016-07-25 15:36:45] nip : what fair price will be recorded now?
[2016-07-25 15:37:12] nip : also, it has been near 0 for a very long time
[2016-07-25 15:37:26] nip : why did it all of a sudden go out of control? and it appears it can only go more negative?
[2016-07-25 15:37:43] BitMEX_Wally : https://www.bitmex.com/app/index/.FCTXBTPI
[2016-07-25 15:38:32] nip : so the contract has to have a bid 0.6492% above spot for a full 8 hour period to bring the funding rate back to 0?
[2016-07-25 15:39:11] nip : why is it so negative? the predicted funding is about twice as negative?
[2016-07-25 15:39:13] BitMEX_Wally : No, it can be 0 above spot for 8 hours and that will halve the funding rate
[2016-07-25 15:39:19] nip : this has never happened before
[2016-07-25 15:39:55] nip : the predicted funding is about double the current funding
[2016-07-25 15:41:09] nip : and why would it have instantly jumped from positive to -0.6492 over one period?
[2016-07-25 15:41:21] BitMEX_Wally : What has jumped?
[2016-07-25 15:41:23] BitMEX_Wally : The mark price?
[2016-07-25 15:41:26] BitMEX_Wally : The predicted funding?
[2016-07-25 15:41:32] BitMEX_Wally : The current PI ?
[2016-07-25 15:41:47] nip : funding rate
[2016-07-25 15:41:56] nip : it has always been near 0. the last rate was positive
[2016-07-25 15:42:18] nip : now it is -0.06492. the predicted funding is -1.1%
[2016-07-25 15:42:44] BitMEX_Wally : It is -0.6492% because of a negative premium 12 to 4 hours ago
[2016-07-25 15:43:45] BitMEX_Wally : It is predicted to be -1.1% because for the last 4 hours or so, the offer price has been below the index price
[2016-07-25 15:44:04] nip : well this is a major problem
[2016-07-25 15:44:51] nip : the market maker stopped quoting for about a day
[2016-07-25 15:44:54] BitMEX_Wally : The predicted funding rate is a problem, or the fact that people are offering below the index price is problem?
[2016-07-25 15:45:10] nip : and i guess someone put an offer 1.5% to 2% below spot?
[2016-07-25 15:46:19] nip : BitMEX_Wally: the liquidity is too thin
[2016-07-25 15:46:52] nip : yesterday the market maker was down. there were a total of 2 contracts of bids
[2016-07-25 15:47:27] nip : i dont think its reasonable to use the orderbook
[2016-07-25 15:47:40] BitMEX_Wally : We use a depth weighted price
[2016-07-25 15:47:49] BitMEX_Wally : 2 contracts is not enough
[2016-07-25 15:48:17] nip : BitMEX_Wally: i suspect someone was trying to manipulate the funding rate because there was no orderbook?
[2016-07-25 15:49:43] BitMEX_Wally : They would have to quote at least 500 contracts above/below the fair price at the time
[2016-07-25 15:50:08] nip : im sure they did that. but noone trades fct
[2016-07-25 15:50:46] BitMEX_Wally : If a 2% discount is not an incentive enough to trade, then the funding rate has to kick in to bring the order book back in line with stop
[2016-07-25 15:50:48] BitMEX_Wally : spot
[2016-07-25 15:51:03] BitMEX_Wally : But if no-one is trading them we'll de-list them
[2016-07-25 15:51:08] nip : i never saw the order
[2016-07-25 15:51:21] mrp1nk : hmm... not sure if breakout or fakeout (btc)
[2016-07-25 15:51:28] BitMEX_Wally : It was probably just the market maker quoting at a discount to get rid of some delta
[2016-07-25 15:51:39] BitMEX_Wally : No-one lifted his offer, so the funding rate is now negative
[2016-07-25 15:53:41] nip : so i am expected to monitor the orderbook 24/7 to make sure noone quotes at a discount?
[2016-07-25 15:53:53] nip : because every time they do i lose a huge % of my margin?
[2016-07-25 15:54:07] nip : i dont think its reasonable to use the orderbook for funding for that contract
[2016-07-25 15:54:59] nip : there are maybe 0-3 participants at a given time including bots
[2016-07-25 16:00:02] nip : BitMEX_Wally: What will happen to the funding rate if the premium index stays where it is?
[2016-07-25 16:00:14] nip : that is, the mark price is within the bid ask
[2016-07-25 16:00:33] nip : it will decrease by 0.05% each 8 hours?
[2016-07-25 16:05:12] Tetsuo : Word on the street is that FCT protocol is bugged and broken, waitin to be hacked. Wouldn´t want to hold a position in it when the shitstorm starts! : - (
[2016-07-25 16:07:36] macios15 : 4400 confirmed
[2016-07-25 16:10:52] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC24H`: Sell 1865 @ 0.00075
[2016-07-25 16:42:36] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC24H`: Sell 100 @ 0.00069
[2016-07-25 17:13:30] nip : Where did the mm for XBJ go?
[2016-07-25 17:14:03] nip : gone for 2 days now
[2016-07-25 17:15:39] BitMEX_Greg : nip: I've just checked and he's been available for the past 2 days, there are certain points in the day where he gets cut out due to an API problem from the price reference provider, Quoine, but comes in soon after
[2016-07-25 17:15:58] BitMEX_Greg : checking now with them about current outage
[2016-07-25 17:16:43] BitMEX_Greg : he's back
[2016-07-25 17:18:22] nip : BitMEX_Greg: thanks
[2016-07-25 17:34:40] xxgiancoxx : hi i can deposit directly ETC in any wallet here or just BTC deposits?
[2016-07-25 17:37:17] BitMEX_Wally : xxgiancoxx: Just Bitcoin
[2016-07-25 17:37:33] BitMEX_Wally : But you can use that Bitcoin to sell (i.e. short) ETH
[2016-07-25 17:41:18] Mangalica : Shillbert is shilling ETC, be careful shorts
[2016-07-25 18:00:07] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETC24H`: Buy 850 @ 0.00097
[2016-07-25 18:08:19] aethlios : anyone want to buy my 50000 etc sell order??
[2016-07-25 18:10:07] nip : aethlios: its way above spot
[2016-07-25 18:10:12] nip : lower it enough and i will buy it
[2016-07-25 18:10:31] aethlios : nip: spot is 0.00099-0.001
[2016-07-25 18:10:53] nip : or just 991 for short
[2016-07-25 18:11:33] aethlios : nip: start placing buy orders
[2016-07-25 18:12:01] 1QaZxSw2 : question for bitmex. how do you decide what alt/shitcoin to list? By vol from polo?
[2016-07-25 18:12:10] nip : whats the lowest price you would be willing to sell at?
[2016-07-25 18:12:19] nip : if i find it acceptable i will place a buy order for 50000
[2016-07-25 18:12:50] nip : i dont like leaving limit orders up
[2016-07-25 18:14:16] aethlios : nip: You can bet for the expiration, you don't have to close order. If tomorrow price above 0.001 you win, if below I win
[2016-07-25 18:45:36] BitMEX_Sam : 1QaZxSw2: Essentially we watch what's gaining traction and what is likely to trade
[2016-07-25 18:45:48] BitMEX_Sam : Listing new products is easy enough to do so long as we have a liquid market to settle it on
[2016-07-25 20:52:03] fineregex : BitMEX_Sam: suggestion for the leaderboard, add average profit and total number of traders (or average performance by groups above 2[10,100,1000] trades or above trades 0.05[1,10,50] btc
[2016-07-25 20:52:27] fineregex : *or above ... balance
[2016-07-25 20:52:59] BitMEX_Sam : That's a good idea, would be an interesting way to segment types of traders
[2016-07-25 21:10:28] fineregex : and, while equally or more interesting rationally, it can also serve as a disclaimer for those who are at risk to get too euphoric seeing a leaderboard/peak performance only since obviously average performance would be normal to be near zero minus fees (or already amazing if slightly positive)
[2016-07-25 21:32:48] nip : something like (profit/averagebalance) or (profit/(averagebalance x time)) could be interesting
[2016-07-25 21:34:31] nip : the ROE leaderboard seems useless to me. its for people who only made one trade?
[2016-07-25 22:40:35] rapidtrades : good evening
[2016-07-25 22:42:19] mrp1nk : sup
[2016-07-25 22:43:58] rapidtrades : not much
[2016-07-25 22:44:22] rapidtrades : classic looks to be stabilizying
[2016-07-25 22:47:15] rapidtrades : are ppl mining/ developing this coin
[2016-07-25 22:49:49] BitMEX_Greg : rapidtrades: Few guys still mining. I know a guy who was 50% over the weekend
[2016-07-25 22:59:59] mrp1nk : the etc telegram group has already more members than the eth group
[2016-07-25 23:10:42] rapidtrades : the subreddit is much smaller tho
[2016-07-25 23:15:51] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETHXBT`: Buy 198 @ 0.02110
[2016-07-25 23:23:22] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETHXBT`: Buy 1862 @ 0.02117
[2016-07-25 23:49:58] fineregex : rapidtrades: hashrate went back too
[2016-07-26 01:00:13] Ageless : why does it give a really low liquidation price when you use max leverage in eth classic?
[2016-07-26 01:00:29] Ageless : like have funds to cover way above the liquidation quote?
[2016-07-26 01:15:14] lockhedge : Ageless: don't understand the question but i guess it will help to take a look at `Initial Margin`and `Maintenance Margin`in the contract specs https://www.bitmex.com/app/contract/ETC24H
[2016-07-26 02:07:36] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETC24H`: Buy 297 @ 0.00108
[2016-07-26 02:08:06] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETC24H`: Buy 300 @ 0.00110
[2016-07-26 02:08:36] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETC24H`: Buy 800 @ 0.00111
[2016-07-26 02:18:36] zanza : some ETC action
[2016-07-26 02:38:41] Ageless : how to turn off isolated margin?
[2016-07-26 02:51:10] BitMEX_Arthur : Ageless: under the your position section on the left hand side, there is a leverage slider, the option all the way to the left is Cross Margin
[2016-07-26 03:56:03] jung1 : morning
[2016-07-26 03:56:21] ggwp : witam witam
[2016-07-26 03:57:04] jung1 : załadowany w etc?
[2016-07-26 03:57:23] ggwp : no pewka
[2016-07-26 03:58:25] bernx : this eth spred ...
[2016-07-26 03:59:13] jung1 : so ETC=ETH=0.013 in one month from now?
[2016-07-26 04:00:08] ggwp : moze.....
[2016-07-26 04:02:15] jung1 : BitMEX_Arthur: who made pokemon graphic in new Crypto Trader Digest?
[2016-07-26 04:02:38] jung1 : with vitalchu
[2016-07-26 04:02:59] ggwp : grasz?
[2016-07-26 04:03:05] jung1 : nah
[2016-07-26 04:03:10] Muhammed : gday
[2016-07-26 04:03:18] jung1 : morning
[2016-07-26 04:04:05] ggwp : a tam gdzie mieszkasz sporo ich widzisz?
[2016-07-26 04:06:14] ggwp : (graczy)
[2016-07-26 04:06:56] jung1 : no pełno
[2016-07-26 04:07:11] jung1 : aż przypał chodzić z telefonem po ulicy bo myślą, że też grasz
[2016-07-26 04:07:40] ggwp : haha
[2016-07-26 04:08:14] ggwp : a o ile dobrze wiem to gra nawet nie jest jeszcze dostepna w wersji na rynek PL
[2016-07-26 04:08:29] ggwp : co za świat
[2016-07-26 04:19:44] jung1 : http://fork.ethstats.net/ ethereum classic (etc) hashpower going down
[2016-07-26 04:20:16] jung1 : depending on which side of the fence you're on, ideologies don't pay the mining bills.
[2016-07-26 04:24:51] jung1 : http://vessenes.com/do-not-mess-with-eth-classic-it-will-f-you-up/
[2016-07-26 04:38:06] rapidtrades : jung1: don't be a Debbie Downer jung1
[2016-07-26 04:40:07] jung1 : someone have to
[2016-07-26 04:40:07] rapidtrades : yen surging ....idiots finally coming around
[2016-07-26 04:40:52] rapidtrades : up over 2% in around 26 hrs
[2016-07-26 04:42:02] rapidtrades : it's down and staying down,,,,unlike previously where they bought every dip like its the sp500
[2016-07-26 04:43:11] jung1 : https://twitter.com/ChandlerGuo/status/757737096668848128 this guy is a dao hacker
[2016-07-26 04:45:45] rapidtrades : looks like a retard
[2016-07-26 04:46:03] ggwp : chuckled
[2016-07-26 04:46:04] rapidtrades : he couldn't hack his way out of a paper bag
[2016-07-26 04:46:21] ggwp : "My principle is don't be evil"
[2016-07-26 04:48:34] rapidtrades : i hope this eth shit gets resolved soon...getting chopped to death in btc
[2016-07-26 04:50:08] ggwp : so btc is waiting on eth?
[2016-07-26 04:50:13] ggwp : lawl
[2016-07-26 04:51:07] rapidtrades : well its dragging it up and down
[2016-07-26 04:51:19] ggwp : meeeh
[2016-07-26 04:51:28] rapidtrades : problem is eth is too small so the moves in bitcoin are small too, not enught to make $$$$$$$
[2016-07-26 04:52:29] rapidtrades : fair basis for sept is still high, 75%
[2016-07-26 04:53:58] jung1 : https://twitter.com/barrysilbert/status/757628841938472961
[2016-07-26 04:54:24] rapidtrades : yeah read that earlier, he spent 25k
[2016-07-26 04:54:39] rapidtrades : bold move cotton, let's see if it pays off
[2016-07-26 04:55:27] jung1 : yeah
[2016-07-26 04:55:44] jung1 : but imo eth went from trustless to a political ecosystem
[2016-07-26 04:56:09] rapidtrades : 25k min cos he was silently bragging that he bought them from some OTC place with 25k min
[2016-07-26 04:59:19] rapidtrades : what was the funding we just had? i missed it
[2016-07-26 04:59:21] rapidtrades : BTC
[2016-07-26 05:00:46] rapidtrades : dam we had two 0.04%
[2016-07-26 05:00:50] rapidtrades : that's painful
[2016-07-26 05:08:50] jung1 : http://slacknation.github.io/medium/13/13.html there we go!
[2016-07-26 05:09:10] ayy_lmao : only 0.04?
[2016-07-26 05:09:14] ayy_lmao : painful?
[2016-07-26 05:10:01] rapidtrades : well yeah given the lack of volatility
[2016-07-26 05:10:22] rapidtrades : thats' 0.09% for 16 hrs
[2016-07-26 05:11:02] rapidtrades : jung1: what's that link? i don't follow ur haxxor links
[2016-07-26 05:11:54] jung1 : now minnig etc is more profitable than eth
[2016-07-26 05:12:06] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETC24H`: Buy 870 @ 0.001238
[2016-07-26 05:12:30] jung1 : +1k volume on polo
[2016-07-26 05:13:39] Rado : jung1: do you have a link to get ETC install?
[2016-07-26 05:14:37] Rado : What does jung mean?
[2016-07-26 05:16:42] jung1 : https://ethereumclassic.github.io/
[2016-07-26 05:17:07] jung1 : but you just do not upgrade to hardfork client version pushed by Ethereum Foundation.
[2016-07-26 05:17:11] jung1 : and thats all
[2016-07-26 05:17:42] jung1 : its old nick. Originally from junglist ;)
[2016-07-26 05:19:38] Rado : jung1: thanks
[2016-07-26 05:23:09] jung1 : https://www.reddit.com/r/ethereum/comments/4ukefq/attacker_has_withdrawn_all_etc_from_darkdao_on/
[2016-07-26 05:24:53] Rado : How much is he worth at current etc price?
[2016-07-26 05:29:18] jung1 : He stole like 7.8mln eth
[2016-07-26 05:29:37] jung1 : etc is around 0.55$ now
[2016-07-26 05:32:07] lockhedge : it's around $0.8
[2016-07-26 05:32:30] jung1 : $10 is possiible
[2016-07-26 05:32:33] jung1 : in couple of weeks
[2016-07-26 05:33:23] Rado : Nah
[2016-07-26 05:33:51] jung1 : etc is just original ethereum
[2016-07-26 05:34:24] Rado : Yes,, but value doesn't come from the code
[2016-07-26 05:35:11] jung1 : shure
[2016-07-26 05:37:45] jung1 : http://fintechist.com/shapeshift-io-bitmex-announce-support-ethereum-classic/
[2016-07-26 05:38:03] jung1 : BitMex, a respected Bitcoin and cryptocurrency exchange,'