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[2016-07-15 04:21:52] jung1 : like 12h ago
[2016-07-15 04:22:01] jung1 : "french" terrorists
[2016-07-15 04:24:08] Rado : $2 premium over spot
[2016-07-15 04:33:56] jung1 : https://kickasstorrents.to/
[2016-07-15 04:34:05] jung1 : look at 5th most popular movie
[2016-07-15 04:34:12] jung1 : quite good btw
[2016-07-15 04:52:13] jung1 : I have no Idea why dao still hold the price
[2016-07-15 04:52:24] jung1 : and another +15%
[2016-07-15 04:53:33] rapidtrades : why? cos markets are ppl and ppl are idiots
[2016-07-15 04:55:26] jung1 : Rado: https://github.com/AcaciaTrading/acacia_main
[2016-07-15 04:56:21] rapidtrades : the bears haven't managed to clear a single round figure since this stupid yen rally started
[2016-07-15 04:56:31] rapidtrades : looks like they will failt at 106 again
[2016-07-15 04:57:10] rapidtrades : this is what happens when u have subsided stupidity in the markets
[2016-07-15 05:02:28] rapidtrades : aaaand they just broke it just to prove me wrong
[2016-07-15 05:03:01] rapidtrades : flash crashed 40 pips
[2016-07-15 05:03:07] rapidtrades : f*ck DA BULLZ
[2016-07-15 05:03:35] jung1 : adapt or die
[2016-07-15 05:03:55] boolander : ruh-roh
[2016-07-15 05:04:43] rapidtrades : jung1: don't be a dick
[2016-07-15 05:05:23] rapidtrades : i adapted my trade to an investment
[2016-07-15 05:07:49] rapidtrades : jap stock market lower then it was on july 12
[2016-07-15 05:08:05] rapidtrades : only fx market flying high still
[2016-07-15 05:12:24] jung1 : lisk chart looks like ethereum chart in early stage
[2016-07-15 05:12:33] Rado : jung1: what is Acacia
[2016-07-15 05:12:54] jung1 : trading bot
[2016-07-15 05:13:00] jung1 : they made it open source
[2016-07-15 05:16:36] rapidtrades : what does it do
[2016-07-15 05:17:21] jung1 : automatic trading
[2016-07-15 05:17:27] jung1 : there are 2 strategies. A crossover strategy, and an threshold strategy. The crossover strategy takes 2 indicators and buys when the first indicator > the second indicator and vice versa. The threshold strategy does the same except that the second indicator is a fixed value.
[2016-07-15 05:18:02] rapidtrades : that could be useful
[2016-07-15 05:18:15] rapidtrades : python?
[2016-07-15 05:18:58] rapidtrades : .py is python right lol
[2016-07-15 05:24:33] jung1 : yep
[2016-07-15 05:24:57] jung1 : they discontinued Acacia Trading as a paid service
[2016-07-15 05:25:08] jung1 : it was like tradingview etc
[2016-07-15 05:25:15] jung1 : and made it open source
[2016-07-15 05:25:18] rapidtrades : cool
[2016-07-15 05:25:30] jung1 : yeah
[2016-07-15 05:25:39] jung1 : karma will back
[2016-07-15 05:25:42] rapidtrades : maybe going full auto will stop me from my stupidity
[2016-07-15 05:26:07] jung1 : yeah
[2016-07-15 05:26:36] jung1 : but its really hard to make bot that works durig bigger pumps and dumps
[2016-07-15 05:27:00] rapidtrades : isn't that the best time for bots? high vol
[2016-07-15 05:27:19] rapidtrades : epsecially if u use indicators, which lag somewhat
[2016-07-15 05:47:07] jung1 : maybe
[2016-07-15 05:57:35] Rado : My bot makes best profits when there are big moves
[2016-07-15 05:58:33] Rado : ETH bot is long since 0.0166
[2016-07-15 06:01:13] jung1 : nice
[2016-07-15 06:03:54] jung1 : so you are not shorting anymore? whats your predictions about meth?
[2016-07-15 06:06:27] Rado : I have no idea
[2016-07-15 06:07:00] Rado : The bot closed the short for a small loss and went long after a few hours
[2016-07-15 06:07:18] Rado : rapidtrades: whatch this https://youtu.be/0jU-c7CKrcA
[2016-07-15 06:07:51] jung1 : btw someone made good deal with dao tokens if they really allow to withraw
[2016-07-15 06:09:53] jung1 : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Gf_kRE4MJU this could be a reason of pump
[2016-07-15 06:12:00] jung1 : http://etherscan.io/token/TheDAO?a=0x04c973aff06f64b880524f16ae8c821928233ee5 someone loaded 5mil of dao
[2016-07-15 06:15:25] jung1 : Rado: http://blog.velocity.technology/option-smart-contracts/ this is really interesting
[2016-07-15 06:27:16] Rado : jung1: will check it out
[2016-07-15 06:36:06] Rado : Metamask is cool jung1
[2016-07-15 06:41:57] jung1 : anyone used it https://www.deribit.com/ ?
[2016-07-15 06:54:11] subjective : Rado: what kind of not do u have?
[2016-07-15 06:59:07] BuzzLightYear : BitMEX_Arthur: how can i make the withheld profit to zero? currently wallet balance and available balance doesn't match.
[2016-07-15 07:00:41] Rado : subjective: ethbtc bot
[2016-07-15 07:01:55] Rado : jung1: does anyone offer these options on ethereum network?
[2016-07-15 07:02:08] Rado : Sounds really promising
[2016-07-15 07:02:14] BitMEX_Arthur : BuzzLightYear: https://www.bitmex.com/app/marginTermReference
[2016-07-15 07:02:15] jung1 : not yet imo
[2016-07-15 07:02:23] BitMEX_Arthur : https://www.bitmex.com/app/dynamicProfitEqualisation
[2016-07-15 07:02:33] subjective : Rado: are you using a specific bot like Haas or custom?
[2016-07-15 07:02:42] BitMEX_Arthur : Please read those two documents and they will answer your question
[2016-07-15 07:02:46] jung1 : Rado: yeah it could be bug market soon
[2016-07-15 07:02:52] jung1 : worth to interest in
[2016-07-15 07:03:07] BuzzLightYear : BitMEX_Arthur: thanks!!
[2016-07-15 07:03:16] zanza : whats the forex plays today guys? i am really confused
[2016-07-15 07:03:26] subjective : Rado: I play with bots as well, what type of indicator does ur bot look for? moving avg, RSI
[2016-07-15 07:03:40] zanza : also, i just bought BTC today, so price will tank
[2016-07-15 07:03:55] subjective : zanza: lol, u might be right
[2016-07-15 07:03:58] Rado : subjective: it's code I wrote on the https://cryptotrader.org/?r=467 platform
[2016-07-15 07:05:14] Rado : zanza: i just did some reaserch and I am convinced more than ever btc is going to go balistic soon
[2016-07-15 07:05:31] subjective : Rado: does ur gain covers crypto trader's monthly fees?
[2016-07-15 07:05:34] Adura : When COIN is trading, sure.
[2016-07-15 07:05:58] Rado : subjective: macd, rsi and some custom shiit
[2016-07-15 07:07:01] Rado : subjective: at least 50x the fee if not more
[2016-07-15 07:07:18] Rado : I haven't calculated
[2016-07-15 07:10:12] jung1 : Rado: but it will be quite hard to make such options for eth
[2016-07-15 07:10:26] d_ : BitMEX_Arthur: Does daily rebalancing affect liquidation price?
[2016-07-15 07:11:40] Rado : jung1: why?
[2016-07-15 07:12:12] Rado : Derivatives work the same way on any asset
[2016-07-15 07:12:40] jung1 : well when you want to make it from scratch as a new platform
[2016-07-15 07:12:54] jung1 : but really promissing
[2016-07-15 07:13:17] jung1 : people will love to trade them
[2016-07-15 07:13:38] Rado : Agreed
[2016-07-15 07:14:21] Rado : I might even join if I find who is building them
[2016-07-15 07:14:54] jung1 : lets run our own
[2016-07-15 07:15:25] Rado : Do you know the math behind it?
[2016-07-15 07:15:41] Rado : I can write code for the contract
[2016-07-15 07:16:16] Rado : We can charge the standard exchange fee
[2016-07-15 07:16:37] Rado : People will trust itvway more than exchanges
[2016-07-15 07:17:39] jung1 : more less, have to make some research
[2016-07-15 07:17:46] zanza : https://www.sec.gov/comments/sr-batsbzx-2016-30/batsbzx201630-2.htm
[2016-07-15 07:18:34] jung1 : Rado: well its worth to check it
[2016-07-15 07:18:54] zanza : Yuan is strengthening a bit from todays good China numbers
[2016-07-15 07:18:59] Rado : Yep
[2016-07-15 07:19:41] Rado : zanza: btc doesn 't seem to care much
[2016-07-15 07:33:21] zanza : this France attack is insane
[2016-07-15 07:34:05] jung1 : yeah
[2016-07-15 07:34:16] jung1 : and in cnn the biggest problem is not that 80 people died
[2016-07-15 07:34:43] jung1 : but more people will support national front
[2016-07-15 07:35:23] zanza : rofl
[2016-07-15 07:36:58] jung1 : http://edition.cnn.com/2016/07/14/europe/nice-truck-attack-live-blog/index.html
[2016-07-15 07:37:10] jung1 : no info that attacker was muslim from tunesia
[2016-07-15 07:39:00] jung1 : follow the eu logic they should ban all trucks
[2016-07-15 08:07:17] zanza : :)
[2016-07-15 08:08:50] jung1 : Rado: damn decentralized smart contracs could be another game changer in trading
[2016-07-15 08:09:14] jung1 : I like that Idea more and more
[2016-07-15 08:14:48] 1QaZxSw2 : jung1: there is no way to make smart contracts foolproof safe
[2016-07-15 08:15:08] 1QaZxSw2 : if someone finds a bug, an entire contract could be collapsed
[2016-07-15 08:15:27] 1QaZxSw2 : what we need is a decentralized *dumb* contract
[2016-07-15 08:18:46] jung1 : you can be right
[2016-07-15 08:19:03] jung1 : imo centralization is not worst thing that can happen
[2016-07-15 08:19:07] jung1 : sometimes is good
[2016-07-15 08:20:21] Adura : The centralization that is currently the most obvious is Blockstream Core.
[2016-07-15 08:21:53] 1QaZxSw2 : anyway, im waiting for a tradeable decentralized exchange just like you guys. the last one was bitshares, still running but not much trading over there
[2016-07-15 08:22:19] 1QaZxSw2 : its a bit complicated, what with OPEN.btc and gateways and what not
[2016-07-15 08:22:48] 1QaZxSw2 : but if i could trade it just like okc or bitmex, it would be great
[2016-07-15 08:24:13] jung1 : it take time to people start trust such things
[2016-07-15 08:24:31] 1QaZxSw2 : well its decentralized, so why do you need trust
[2016-07-15 08:25:02] 1QaZxSw2 : you shuld be able to read the code or trust that some smart mofos have read the code and any attacks would occur in the first week or so just like DAO
[2016-07-15 08:25:15] 1QaZxSw2 : what a fuggin disaster. looks like bitmex delisted it
[2016-07-15 08:26:18] 1QaZxSw2 : anyway, any of you guys coders? im trying to write a decentralized derivatives exchange
[2016-07-15 08:26:52] 1QaZxSw2 : frankly, lots of ideas will be ripped off bitshares
[2016-07-15 08:27:35] 1QaZxSw2 : that way, no one will be able to stop it
[2016-07-15 08:27:58] 1QaZxSw2 : i mean, the gov could shut bitmex down in Europe after they start regulating bitcoin exchanges
[2016-07-15 08:28:19] 1QaZxSw2 : that leaves what, china? okc and brothers have that market
[2016-07-15 08:28:37] BitMEX_Wally : Our `DAOETH` contract had a fixed expiry date and has now settled
[2016-07-15 08:29:03] BitMEX_Wally : If the DAO actually starts doing what it is meant to then we'll list a `DAOXBT` perpetual swap or something
[2016-07-15 08:29:34] 1QaZxSw2 : BitMEX_Wally: ok. i guess we wait to see if they totally fvck it up or not
[2016-07-15 08:29:42] 1QaZxSw2 : im happy with the bitcoin swap
[2016-07-15 08:29:58] 1QaZxSw2 : im a bit scared of the btc/yen
[2016-07-15 08:30:33] 1QaZxSw2 : but yes, swap is the way to go
[2016-07-15 08:31:24] 1QaZxSw2 : china A50 is not very popular, im guessing you need to market this in china a bit. And Europe doesnt seem to be trading it
[2016-07-15 08:31:49] 1QaZxSw2 : should be big in china with a bit of marketing, no?
[2016-07-15 08:34:00] macios15 : rocket starts
[2016-07-15 08:34:21] 1QaZxSw2 : macios15: amazing how price is oscillating around 666 for all these weeks
[2016-07-15 08:34:35] 1QaZxSw2 : im not religious but damn
[2016-07-15 08:35:30] 1QaZxSw2 : BitMEX_Wally: any plans to list steem?
[2016-07-15 08:36:50] macios15 : 1QaZxSw2: kinda psychological level
[2016-07-15 08:42:02] jung1 : eth still up
[2016-07-15 08:42:42] 1QaZxSw2 : eth actually a great trading instrument. dam thing is all over the place. always buy when it goes low and wait for it to pop, always sell when it goes up
[2016-07-15 08:44:22] 1QaZxSw2 : sh
[2016-07-15 08:44:51] 1QaZxSw2 : sh!t can you imagine the DAO raking in 200m? i asked a bunch of folks what the DAO really is and no two people gave the same answer
[2016-07-15 08:45:13] 1QaZxSw2 : folks were putting ether into it without knowing wtf it is, just because vitalik blessed it
[2016-07-15 08:46:15] 1QaZxSw2 : reminds me of the dotcom days
[2016-07-15 08:46:39] gaoMex : Hi! Would like to ask a question please
[2016-07-15 08:47:08] gaoMex : If I sell spot and buy XBTUSD, what am I hedging against?
[2016-07-15 08:47:44] gaoMex : My original XBT quantity?
[2016-07-15 08:48:15] 1QaZxSw2 : there is a swap guide using bitmex swap and spot.
[2016-07-15 08:48:48] gaoMex : Thanks @1QaZxSw2 !
[2016-07-15 08:49:20] gaoMex : I'm asking because the other way round I get it - Buy spot n sell XBTUSD
[2016-07-15 08:49:41] gaoMex : I'm actually hedging my USD
[2016-07-15 08:49:48] 1QaZxSw2 : right, i think thats what the swap guide says
[2016-07-15 08:50:08] gaoMex : how about sell spot n buy XBTUSD?
[2016-07-15 08:50:10] 1QaZxSw2 : but if you sell your btc spot, you have no btc, so you are not hedging, just speculating
[2016-07-15 08:50:20] 1QaZxSw2 : do you mean short btc spot?
[2016-07-15 08:50:55] gaoMex : shot btc spot - yes
[2016-07-15 08:50:59] gaoMex : *short
[2016-07-15 08:51:32] 1QaZxSw2 : i think the user j8 would be a better person to ask
[2016-07-15 08:52:45] gaoMex : 1QaZxSw2: thanks anyway :D
[2016-07-15 09:01:47] jung1 : damn eth
[2016-07-15 09:02:05] fineregex : 500.000 eth short on bitfinex alone
[2016-07-15 09:02:12] fineregex : being stubborn
[2016-07-15 09:02:35] fineregex : being stubborn, went to 470.000 at 0.017 and now back to 480.000
[2016-07-15 09:03:17] fineregex : i wonder if i can trust the numbers
[2016-07-15 09:03:19] fineregex : https://www.bitfinex.com/pages/stats
[2016-07-15 09:04:06] fineregex : if bitfinex liquidates by their spot price and not a price index, then it would be crazy
[2016-07-15 09:05:49] fineregex : https://bfxdata.com/swaphistory/eth
[2016-07-15 09:11:44] Szoke : part of the bfx eth shorts might be hedges in a dao/eth arbitrage
[2016-07-15 09:17:23] fineregex : dao/eth price is 97% already
[2016-07-15 09:19:34] fineregex : who entered arbitrage at 70% or so may get out now
[2016-07-15 09:25:05] jesperf : it's so weird trying to call the top of an eth rally train
[2016-07-15 09:25:07] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETHXBT`: Buy 1 @ 0.01855 :punch: :whale:
[2016-07-15 09:26:21] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETHXBT`: Buy 1350 @ 0.01857
[2016-07-15 09:26:34] jesperf : i lost a lot of coin trying to fight the stream last time it went from .016 to .034
[2016-07-15 09:45:16] jung1 : eth 0.02
[2016-07-15 09:45:18] jung1 : today
[2016-07-15 09:48:16] jung1 : Vontobel Bitcoin Tracker Certificate appears to have started trading: https://derinet.vontobel.com/CH/EN/Product/CH0327606114 However, there's nothing here (yet): http://www.six-structured-products.com/en/direktsuche?suchbegriff=CH0327606114 Premium is around 2.5%.
[2016-07-15 09:55:52] jung1 : https://www.federalregister.gov/articles/2016/07/14/2016-16604/self-regulatory-organizations-bats-bzx-exchange-inc-notice-of-filing-of-a-proposed-rule-change-to#p-182 see you on the moon
[2016-07-15 09:57:11] zanza : DAO = comedy gold mine
[2016-07-15 09:58:36] jung1 : too bad that I cant short it
[2016-07-15 09:58:38] zanza : Nice-Matin has reported that the driver of the vehicle was a 31-year old French-Tunisian named Mohamed Lahouaiej Bouhlel
[2016-07-15 10:04:51] jung1 : Emergency Plan for Terrorist Attack in Europe 1. Draw Cartoon 2. Hashtag 3. Pray 4. Cry on TV 5. Light up building 6. Wait for the next attack 7. Repeat
[2016-07-15 10:05:05] zanza : ouch
[2016-07-15 10:23:39] jung1 : Rado: are you there?
[2016-07-15 10:27:12] fineregex : jung1: Rado: Yes, i am happy!
[2016-07-15 10:35:13] zanza : jung1: https://twitter.com/StefanMolyneux/status/753803652675014656
[2016-07-15 10:48:02] jung1 : french flag on fb should be default. there will be much more
[2016-07-15 10:56:52] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 2237 @ 0.01794
[2016-07-15 10:59:47] jesperf : oh boy
[2016-07-15 10:59:53] jesperf : looks like i should have called it
[2016-07-15 11:14:06] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETHXBT`: Buy 100 @ 0.01821
[2016-07-15 11:24:24] jung1 : wee cheap eth
[2016-07-15 12:56:52] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETHXBT`: Buy 780 @ 0.01827
[2016-07-15 14:44:17] nip : weird FCTXBT action
[2016-07-15 14:49:14] nip : its well below spot
[2016-07-15 14:50:17] BitMEX_Greg : nip: Buying opportunity
[2016-07-15 14:51:30] nip : i think only bots and me trade factom, lisk, and china
[2016-07-15 14:52:15] migz : Still dangerous. I remember i am only the one who holds factom weeks ago. Can't dump my stash to no one. lels.
[2016-07-15 14:52:48] nip : at least with china you can ask for a quote in chat
[2016-07-15 14:54:57] BitMEX_Greg : nip: our MM can provide you with quotes on any product they MM. End of day its going to depend what their current position is and their hedge cost, but reach out to us and we can contact them for you
[2016-07-15 14:59:46] blackwhite : Is coinpit legit? Did anybody trade?
[2016-07-15 15:02:19] BitMEX_Sam : They've been up & down the last month. It's a product similar to our perpetual swap but with a $2 price band instead
[2016-07-15 15:02:44] BitMEX_Sam : Looks like they've stopped overtly volumizing at least. There was an order executing in the middle of the spread every minute a few days ago
[2016-07-15 15:04:13] nip : hard to trust a site that does that
[2016-07-15 15:04:38] blackwhite : what does $2 band mean?
[2016-07-15 15:05:55] nip : im guessing they banned trading more than $1 from mark price?
[2016-07-15 15:06:31] BitMEX_Sam : $2 each way
[2016-07-15 15:06:44] BitMEX_Sam : Simple way to keep it trading inline with spot but has other difficulties
[2016-07-15 15:10:31] blackwhite : so for example some time they would have empty bid or empty ask
[2016-07-15 15:11:33] BitMEX_Sam : Right. And consider a rally/dump, who would be willing to buy/sell a perpetual leveraged contract at spot during those times
[2016-07-15 15:12:01] BitMEX_Sam : So the best strategy there is likely to trade with full leverage, using leverage essentially as a stop because liquidity won't be there when the price moves.
[2016-07-15 15:17:29] blackwhite : you made my mind spin. never thought leverage can serve as stop
[2016-07-15 15:17:51] blackwhite : i think the rule is - if nobody sells, i don't see neither
[2016-07-15 15:18:01] blackwhite : *sell
[2016-07-15 15:20:24] blackwhite : do you mean the trader who stays in position until liquidated?
[2016-07-15 15:24:31] blackwhite : Saw $4300 is their contract value. No, I am not that big.
[2016-07-15 15:32:48] BitMEX_Sam : Yeah it's an enormous 0.01BTC per dollar price
[2016-07-15 15:33:42] BitMEX_Sam : 1000x larger than the XBT series here.
[2016-07-15 15:50:50] Rado : blackwhite: I am with you there. Mind blown by the leverage as stop concept.
[2016-07-15 15:57:44] Rado : BitMEX_Sam: if I am buying contracts to make money from funding rate and get liquidated, should I just buy again at the lower price or is it better to have enough BTC so my position is not liquidated?
[2016-07-15 15:58:42] Rado : example is if I have 5000 ETH long on an exchange and short 5000 contracts here
[2016-07-15 15:59:24] Rado : I will need a lot of BTC here to make sure my liquidation price is far away
[2016-07-15 16:00:03] Rado : planing to do this when I get my funds from alt coins investment, but need to work out the details
[2016-07-15 16:00:11] Rado : let me know when you can
[2016-07-15 16:04:10] Rado : get your BTC longs while you can :-)
[2016-07-15 16:04:20] BitMEX_Greg : Rado: Keep in mind that when you get liquidated you lose your Maintenance Margin
[2016-07-15 16:05:05] BitMEX_Greg : Which for ETH is 1.5% right now. So it can be quite costly if your strategy is to earn the funding
[2016-07-15 16:06:29] lockhedge : it's even 1.50% + Exit Commission + Funding Rate
[2016-07-15 16:06:50] BitMEX_Greg : I suggest having ample margin to avoid a liquidation. Trying to "game" the liquidation by using it as a stop is about as difficult as guessing where the price is going to go. Since you may get leveraged on your short and then price goes down, so instead of trying to sell at a higher price after liquidation (will need to be at least 1.5% higher for a start), you may actually be paying more if price moves down
[2016-07-15 16:07:27] BitMEX_Greg : lockhedge: Thanks
[2016-07-15 16:08:57] 1QaZxSw2 : blackwhite: ive traded on coinpit, its pretty good since they reworked it
[2016-07-15 16:10:36] 1QaZxSw2 : basically, where i would place orders of multiples of 1000 contracts on bitmex, there i need to place 1 contract
[2016-07-15 16:10:56] 1QaZxSw2 : so if you are a small trader who trades less than 1000 contracts at a time, its not for you
[2016-07-15 16:12:06] 1QaZxSw2 : unless they create a smaller contract, but i hear they cant do that because all their funds are on chain
[2016-07-15 16:12:15] lockhedge : 1QaZxSw2: liquidity does not seem high enough to trade more than 1 contract though
[2016-07-15 16:12:23] macios15 : rocket incoming?
[2016-07-15 16:13:47] 1QaZxSw2 : lockhedge: ya, but thats like 4000 contracts here. the way i see it, i can make more with the same move on spot there at higher leverage. right now max leverage there is 599x, but i trade around 300x. i make more with smaller moves
[2016-07-15 16:14:32] 1QaZxSw2 : im still dipping my toes tho.
[2016-07-15 16:14:52] nip : who bought those FCT contracts?
[2016-07-15 16:25:16] lockhedge : 1QaZxSw2: how many keys of the MultiSIg wallet does Coinpit hold?
[2016-07-15 16:27:11] 1QaZxSw2 : lockhedge: they hold a key and you hold one
[2016-07-15 16:27:42] 1QaZxSw2 : when you place a trade or do anything else, you send a tx with your signature, they sign with theirs
[2016-07-15 16:29:01] 1QaZxSw2 : you can get a pre-signed tx that gives control to all your coins to recover your coins if they go down
[2016-07-15 16:29:13] 1QaZxSw2 : ive asked them to publish a whitepaper
[2016-07-15 16:30:51] 1QaZxSw2 : as the bitmex folks said, im waiting to see what happens when there is a big rally or drop
[2016-07-15 16:31:12] lockhedge : do they use 2-of-2 or 2-of-3 MultiSig?
[2016-07-15 16:31:27] 1QaZxSw2 : 2 of 2
[2016-07-15 16:33:24] lockhedge : so how can they shift money from your wallet to your counterparty's without the second key?
[2016-07-15 16:33:37] blackwhite : Rado: Is it really profitable ETHBTC arbitrage? I smell something is hidden
[2016-07-15 16:33:44] Rado : BitMEX_Greg: Thanks for the answer. Is there a good way to calculate based on current movements what should be enough to keep so you don't get liquidated
[2016-07-15 16:34:15] Rado : blackwhite: is very profitable in here if you don't close and reopen on every 8 hours
[2016-07-15 16:34:30] Rado : meaning the funding doesn't flip from positive to negative every 8 hours
[2016-07-15 16:35:07] 1QaZxSw2 : lockhedge: i dont really know, ive asked for a whitepaper. but you can see all the tx on a blockexplorer: your deposits, withdrawals, and settlements. everything is transparent on blockchain
[2016-07-15 16:36:04] blackwhite : 1QaZxSw2: 599x insane! Why don't they make 5999x then?
[2016-07-15 16:37:31] 1QaZxSw2 : blackwhite: mathematically leverage is contract value/margin so it limits how much they can give leverage.
[2016-07-15 16:39:39] BitMEX_Greg : Rado: Well how often do you check your account? If in front of you daily, then your risk is overnight moves. Take a look at the daily volatility and use that as a rough guide. Personally I would want to be around 10-15x leverage to be safe, but depends on your risk tolerance
[2016-07-15 16:39:41] 1QaZxSw2 : its all about managing risk. from my viewpoint as a trader, i wouldnt trade more than 300x, since i would be taken out on every small move, maybe 599x is for bots
[2016-07-15 16:41:38] Rado : thanks BitMEX_Greg
[2016-07-15 16:42:37] 1QaZxSw2 : anyway, what i really would like is coinpit with smaller contracts say 1/10 their current contract
[2016-07-15 16:43:34] BitMEX_Greg : 1QaZxSw2: What is it that you like about coinpit in the first place?
[2016-07-15 16:44:38] 1QaZxSw2 : BitMEX_Greg: not sure i like it yet, its new and im trying it out
[2016-07-15 16:45:00] 1QaZxSw2 : most of my trading is still spot
[2016-07-15 16:45:29] 1QaZxSw2 : i think their leverage is good for scalping. i like that i dont have to calculate dpe before placing a trade
[2016-07-15 16:45:43] 1QaZxSw2 : i think the contract is too large
[2016-07-15 16:46:37] 1QaZxSw2 : the other stuff about multisig etc is interesting but as i see it, not much difference to me, since most of my money is in spot
[2016-07-15 16:48:56] 1QaZxSw2 : rest of the things are similar to bitmex: perpetual contracts
[2016-07-15 16:49:40] 1QaZxSw2 : bitmex has some cool stuff that they dont have: hidden orders, trailing stop
[2016-07-15 16:51:17] 1QaZxSw2 : also they seem to be a single contract exchange
[2016-07-15 17:06:19] blackwhite : yeah. almost everyone trades 1 contract i believe there )
[2016-07-15 17:08:08] 1QaZxSw2 : blackwhite: lol
[2016-07-15 17:15:05] 1QaZxSw2 : try their testnet first
[2016-07-15 17:15:16] 1QaZxSw2 : you can trade big there
[2016-07-15 17:22:19] Rado : 1QaZxSw2: which exchange is that?
[2016-07-15 17:38:27] 1QaZxSw2 : Rado: coinpit
[2016-07-15 17:41:41] 1QaZxSw2 : ETH still holding
[2016-07-15 17:46:39] Rado : thanks
[2016-07-15 17:54:05] 1QaZxSw2 : anyone trade xbj here? whats the approach to deal with usd/jpy risk
[2016-07-15 17:55:27] 1QaZxSw2 : as i see it, xbt/cny would be more useful, we can pretend we are trading on okc
[2016-07-15 17:56:27] Rado : 1QaZxSw2: why do you care if you are making BTC?
[2016-07-15 17:57:57] 1QaZxSw2 : well, im guessing everyone is watching china charts since thats 80% spot volume
[2016-07-15 17:58:24] 1QaZxSw2 : when you watch china and trade usd, sometimes things are slightly off with the charting
[2016-07-15 17:59:00] 1QaZxSw2 : its ok, i can watch finex chart and trade usd, but finex is small compared to the chinese heavyweights
[2016-07-15 17:59:02] Rado : that hasn't affected me at all on my stops or entries
[2016-07-15 17:59:50] 1QaZxSw2 : maybe you are right
[2016-07-15 18:00:36] justinlooking : i find the megabots on chinese exchanges very intimidating
[2016-07-15 18:01:06] 1QaZxSw2 : justinlooking: which is why it would be nice to trade xbt/cny here
[2016-07-15 18:01:42] justinlooking : ^ also there's the whole trust thing!
[2016-07-15 18:02:56] 1QaZxSw2 : do all chinese exchanges offer futures or just okc?
[2016-07-15 18:13:19] rullwull : huobi also has futures, BTCC offers 20x leverage, but its not futures
[2016-07-15 18:14:22] 1QaZxSw2 : 20x leverage on spot is like 25x here on swap i guess
[2016-07-15 18:14:39] rullwull : its not spot
[2016-07-15 18:15:15] 1QaZxSw2 : not spot, not futures, what is it?
[2016-07-15 18:15:18] rullwull : they have pro trade service with 20x, its more like perpetual swap
[2016-07-15 18:15:35] 1QaZxSw2 : looks like perpetual is where industry is going
[2016-07-15 18:15:42] rullwull : they don't call it swap or futures
[2016-07-15 18:16:11] 1QaZxSw2 : right that would avoid regulatory headache
[2016-07-15 18:16:55] 1QaZxSw2 : i wonder if swap is regulated in usa. bitmex should offer it to americans
[2016-07-15 18:17:15] rullwull : maybe, cause its in CNY and hosted in china, okc and huobi futures are hosted in HK
[2016-07-15 18:18:49] rullwull : bmx doesn't allow to trade us users
[2016-07-15 18:19:38] 1QaZxSw2 : rullwull: i know, but if swap is unregulated, they can?
[2016-07-15 18:20:22] 1QaZxSw2 : they would double their volume in a few weeks
[2016-07-15 18:22:50] 1QaZxSw2 : looks like they regulated swaps after 2008 crash
[2016-07-15 18:24:15] rullwull : I'm sure if bmx could they offer it us
[2016-07-15 20:18:09] men : coup d'etat in turkey..
[2016-07-15 20:43:06] Tetsuo : men: pretty crazy, just saw the news
[2016-07-15 20:46:17] Rado : Turkish updates http://radotv.com/al_jazeera
[2016-07-15 20:49:22] Rado : Is this having an effect on BTC?
[2016-07-15 20:49:34] Rado : I mean it's popping, but not sure if it's related
[2016-07-15 20:50:06] Adura : Coup d'twat, huh?
[2016-07-15 21:47:26] Tetsuo : Rado: goodbye Europe
[2016-07-15 21:51:45] Tetsuo : Upcoming war in Europe = bullish for BTC! Probably
[2016-07-15 22:54:31] zanza : Yen is more interesting than Bitcoin now for trading :)
[2016-07-15 23:00:47] boolander : war probably not good for expanding user base and uses for bitcoin
[2016-07-15 23:01:55] migz : Upcoming war? World war 3 already started.
[2016-07-15 23:02:26] boolander : don't tell the bots
[2016-07-15 23:02:41] boolander : s&p all time highs
[2016-07-15 23:03:26] migz : The rise before the dive? =P
[2016-07-15 23:39:54] Rado : migz: there will be no dive
[2016-07-15 23:40:18] Rado : hyper inflation will make stock markets sky rocket
[2016-07-15 23:41:14] Rado : zanza: shorting the Yen?
[2016-07-15 23:41:25] Rado : or long?
[2016-07-15 23:55:22] jrp : can you buy options on stocks with this?
[2016-07-15 23:55:43] jrp : like a stock where the cboe doesnt have options already?
[2016-07-15 23:58:40] rapidtrades : coup most likely failed
[2016-07-16 00:05:42] zanza : the coup is likely being backed by west/EU
[2016-07-16 00:05:47] zanza : even if not officiallly
[2016-07-16 00:06:17] rapidtrades : lol@zanza
[2016-07-16 00:08:09] rapidtrades : andersen cooper seems so disappointed lol
[2016-07-16 00:14:13] rapidtrades : http://www.marketwatch.com/story/new-digital-currency-sees-2000-price-rise-in-a-week-2016-07-15
[2016-07-16 00:25:59] zanza : https://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/4svrvg/steeming_pile_of_sfyl_announced/
[2016-07-16 00:33:00] Tetsuo : boolander: every already existent BTC holder that is about to get killed in the upcoming war will reduce selling pressure
[2016-07-16 00:33:30] boolander : good point.
[2016-07-16 00:33:36] boolander : BUY moon!
[2016-07-16 00:33:46] Tetsuo : : - D
[2016-07-16 00:34:40] boolander : brexit / blm / helicopter money / nice / turkey coup and yet still can't get back to $700 on btc
[2016-07-16 00:39:35] rapidtrades : out of those only copter cash maybe matters but it aint happening anyway
[2016-07-16 00:40:20] rapidtrades : bitcoin doesn't have a history of being a safe haven
[2016-07-16 01:00:22] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 785 @ 0.01772
[2016-07-16 01:09:52] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 4 @ 0.01754 :punch: :whale:
[2016-07-16 01:13:58] laisee : bitcoin is not considered in any way safe by most people
[2016-07-16 01:56:18] Rado : rapidtrades: you mean bitcoin doesn't have history period
[2016-07-16 01:56:20] Rado : :-)
[2016-07-16 01:59:19] Rado : look at th eEconomist cover from 1988
[2016-07-16 01:59:19] Rado : https://socioecohistory.files.wordpress.com/2014/07/theeconomist-phoenix_get_ready_for_world_currency_by_2018.jpg
[2016-07-16 01:59:43] Rado : get ready for a world currency in 2018
[2016-07-16 01:59:51] Rado : is that bticoin or gold?
[2016-07-16 02:26:04] zanza : Steem
[2016-07-16 02:41:27] Rado : lol
[2016-07-16 03:29:46] 1QaZxSw2 : bitcoin at 666 .... France, Turkey, Brexit
[2016-07-16 03:29:51] 1QaZxSw2 : its all an omen guys
[2016-07-16 03:30:01] 1QaZxSw2 : btw, how do i change my user id
[2016-07-16 03:30:34] Rado : Email support
[2016-07-16 03:30:42] Rado : they changed it for me
[2016-07-16 03:31:15] 1QaZxSw2 : you picked the new name you wanted or they gave it to you?
[2016-07-16 03:31:31] Rado : I picked it
[2016-07-16 03:31:36] 1QaZxSw2 : Rado: thanks
[2016-07-16 03:31:44] Rado : your current name sucks
[2016-07-16 03:31:46] Rado : :)
[2016-07-16 03:31:51] 1QaZxSw2 : ya i know
[2016-07-16 03:36:31] subjective : BTC breaking soon uh?
[2016-07-16 03:37:22] subjective : been waiting for it to drop to 630 for the last 3 days, non of orders are fill, looks like it's going the other way
[2016-07-16 04:05:13] jung1 : hello
[2016-07-16 04:05:18] jung1 : damn turkey
[2016-07-16 04:07:15] jung1 : http://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-europe-36811357
[2016-07-16 04:11:52] subjective : army surrended tho..
[2016-07-16 05:07:40] jung1 : so eth hardfork is 3 days from now
[2016-07-16 05:09:44] Rado : my bot closed the long by the way
[2016-07-16 05:10:08] Rado : 0.01788
[2016-07-16 05:13:59] jung1 : yyour strategy seems really good
[2016-07-16 05:25:35] zanza : difiiculty looks like it may drop
[2016-07-16 05:25:40] zanza : for bitcoin soon
[2016-07-16 05:25:53] zanza : ETH looks like a good short now
[2016-07-16 05:34:15] rapidtrades : eth looks range bound to me
[2016-07-16 05:34:45] rapidtrades : zanza: how much wiill it drop
[2016-07-16 05:44:08] jung1 : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1534007.0
[2016-07-16 05:44:20] jung1 : Free Telegram trading bot indicators
[2016-07-16 06:06:18] jung1 : Rado: have you think about run your bot on options? https://www.deribit.com/main#/options
[2016-07-16 06:08:51] Rado : No
[2016-07-16 06:09:51] Rado : Options expire
[2016-07-16 06:10:18] Rado : There are good moves and we can use leverage
[2016-07-16 06:10:28] Rado : No need of options
[2016-07-16 06:10:46] jung1 : true
[2016-07-16 06:11:03] jung1 : but I like new finacial instruments
[2016-07-16 06:11:24] jung1 : ENRON is one of my favourite mocies heh
[2016-07-16 06:14:18] Rado : rapidtrades: how is the Yen
[2016-07-16 06:14:39] Rado : I want to start trading it at 1broker
[2016-07-16 06:17:29] zanza : rapidtrades: Once the hard fork happens, the DAO coins will be unlocked and flood the market
[2016-07-16 06:18:08] jung1 : too bad that we cant short it
[2016-07-16 06:19:06] zanza : you can, they will convert back to ETH
[2016-07-16 06:19:20] zanza : and that can only put downward pressure on ETH imo
[2016-07-16 06:21:58] zanza : or maybe I understand it wrong
[2016-07-16 06:29:45] subjective : Anyone looking at the BTC chart? Looks like a rising wedge on 1H
[2016-07-16 07:12:52] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 100 @ 0.01764
[2016-07-16 07:20:22] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 1950 @ 0.01762
[2016-07-16 07:26:16] jung1 : that $666 is very interesting
[2016-07-16 07:26:30] jung1 : could be funny it will be base bitcoin price
[2016-07-16 07:31:17] macios15 : classic bitxoin
[2016-07-16 07:34:02] jung1 : macios15: https://www.deribit.com/main#/options widział?
[2016-07-16 07:34:30] macios15 : jung1: co to
[2016-07-16 07:34:45] jung1 : handel opcjami na bitcoin
[2016-07-16 07:35:22] jung1 : fajne do ograniczenia ryzyka
[2016-07-16 07:35:25] jung1 : portfolio
[2016-07-16 09:41:36] jung1 : https://twitter.com/LefterisJP/status/754246554035322880?s=04 looks like dao hardfork was succesfull
[2016-07-16 09:45:18] jung1 : I have to write some trollbox bot to talk with
[2016-07-16 10:17:10] justinlooking : gowno
[2016-07-16 10:17:52] zanza : hi jung1
[2016-07-16 10:18:07] rullwull : probably lawsuits are coming against etherium and main exchanges who supported hard fork
[2016-07-16 11:03:38] jesperf : rullwull: wow you must be a genius, tell us more about everything you know
[2016-07-16 11:04:29] rullwull : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1517223.0
[2016-07-16 11:10:00] jesperf : rullwull: complete nonsense. just spreading of fud
[2016-07-16 11:16:25] jung1 : vitalic will die for our sins
[2016-07-16 11:19:49] rullwull : its pure scam, if it wasn't they just kept everything as it is, upgraded security and lunched the DOA as it was planed with the rest of the funds
[2016-07-16 11:24:49] jung1 : its broken
[2016-07-16 11:25:06] jung1 : so what will be the point?
[2016-07-16 11:25:24] jung1 : in some cases decentralization is not best solution
[2016-07-16 11:28:07] jung1 : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1552478.0
[2016-07-16 11:28:40] jung1 : first blockchain implementation to real banking was not on decentralized protocol
[2016-07-16 11:30:37] rullwull : decentralized protocol is the best, etherium is not decentralized, it has admins and they are the problem, look at bitcoin example)
[2016-07-16 11:31:21] jung1 : utopia
[2016-07-16 12:30:05] macios15 : dump dump
[2016-07-16 12:30:46] macios15 : incoming
[2016-07-16 12:32:40] jung1 : good
[2016-07-16 12:32:50] jung1 : lets back to 620
[2016-07-16 12:32:54] jung1 : and 666 again
[2016-07-16 12:36:44] macios15 : rekt incoming
[2016-07-16 12:42:34] brasska : hope we can go below 600)
[2016-07-16 12:43:00] jung1 : *60
[2016-07-16 12:43:34] rullwull : was waiting for the dump
[2016-07-16 13:02:59] jung1 : imo it could be dump after dao
[2016-07-16 13:03:23] jung1 : investors could sell dao for eth/btc and then for $
[2016-07-16 13:06:08] migz : eth to btc only. so eth +20% more or less.
[2016-07-16 13:06:38] migz : i mean btc. lels
[2016-07-16 13:14:31] rullwull : i was waiting this dump by daily chart, don't think dao is connected with it
[2016-07-16 13:15:17] rullwull : there should the last dive by daily chart before the next wave up starts
[2016-07-16 13:15:55] rullwull : most of the volumes come from china, they don't give a f about eth
[2016-07-16 13:17:45] mike1000 : rullwull: you mean elliott waves? do you plot them on 1D chart or just act on a feeling?
[2016-07-16 13:18:15] rullwull : yes, i count elliot waves on every timeframe
[2016-07-16 13:19:41] rullwull : w, d, 4h, 1h and 15m
[2016-07-16 13:26:48] mike1000 : and they're accurate for every TF? Your bot counts them?
[2016-07-16 13:28:20] rapidtrades : no bot's gonna count EW, that shit's cray
[2016-07-16 13:33:42] rullwull : manually
[2016-07-16 13:34:16] rullwull : the bigger timeframe than more accurate
[2016-07-16 13:34:55] justinlooking : why can't a bot count EW?
[2016-07-16 13:37:27] rullwull : tried so many algos, never accurate
[2016-07-16 13:38:56] rullwull : but i came up with some good forecast algos that my bot calculate
[2016-07-16 13:41:19] mike1000 : Do you use any framework for the bot? Or it's written completely from scratch?
[2016-07-16 13:42:43] mike1000 : I am messing with gekko right now just to familiarize myself with this type of software
[2016-07-16 13:44:25] rullwull : from scratch, i was working on it from 2011
[2016-07-16 13:46:49] rullwull : in fact there are many bots that feed and analyze different data and one program works with all bots data
[2016-07-16 13:47:32] justinlooking : mine is a bunch of components and a manager too
[2016-07-16 13:48:14] justinlooking : http://www.turingfinance.com/hacking-the-random-walk-hypothesis/#outline
[2016-07-16 13:53:10] rullwull : interesting article, thanks
[2016-07-16 13:57:30] mike1000 : thanks x2
[2016-07-16 14:02:27] justinlooking : np, have at it chaps :P
[2016-07-16 16:40:15] Rado : rapidtrades: EW is not real. They can only draw the waves after the fact
[2016-07-16 16:40:48] Rado : I have never seen predictions work. They always adjust them
[2016-07-16 16:40:55] Rado : pretty useless
[2016-07-16 16:44:50] Rado : Fibonacci much more useful
[2016-07-16 16:45:55] justinlooking : fib retrace ftw
[2016-07-16 18:16:37] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETHXBT`: Buy 100 @ 0.01791
[2016-07-16 18:16:37] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETHXBT`: Buy 30 @ 0.01795
[2016-07-16 19:58:09] rapidtrades : good evening
[2016-07-16 19:58:14] rapidtrades : crypto pretty zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
[2016-07-16 19:58:33] rapidtrades : maybe that eth BULLSHIT will help
[2016-07-16 19:58:54] rapidtrades : can u believe 90% voted to just give away their monies to DAOers? what idiots man
[2016-07-16 19:59:21] rapidtrades : i guess Vitalik and his gang control a lot of the mining tho
[2016-07-16 19:59:32] odieoh : Well probably 70% of them WERE DAOers
[2016-07-16 20:00:12] rapidtrades : yeah probably
[2016-07-16 20:01:19] odieoh : yeah this is a pretty slow stretch
[2016-07-16 20:01:34] odieoh : Finex slooooowly rising
[2016-07-16 22:04:19] Rado : Wow very slow
[2016-07-16 23:09:51] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 104 @ 0.01765
[2016-07-16 23:33:07] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 10 @ 0.01749
[2016-07-16 23:58:51] rapidtrades : so slow
[2016-07-17 01:00:07] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 8 @ 0.01743
[2016-07-17 02:05:46] migz : btc volume is drying, we see 640 again?
[2016-07-17 02:27:59] Rado : 680
[2016-07-17 02:57:32] 1QaZxSw2 : where is the support link?
[2016-07-17 03:00:46] Rado : Email support@bitmex.com
[2016-07-17 03:52:19] fineregex : hi, opinions on eth? (since the dao crowdsale was in ether i wonder, how many people really were newbies who bought thedao through USD and are at risk to cash out ether now, besides that it is FUD....)
[2016-07-17 04:36:17] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 1869 @ 0.01713
[2016-07-17 04:39:06] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 5 @ 0.01709
[2016-07-17 05:40:36] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 1 @ 0.01689 :punch: :whale:
[2016-07-17 05:51:38] Rado : Howcome swap ga premium, but the funding is negative?
[2016-07-17 06:15:57] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 1000 @ 666.69
[2016-07-17 06:20:06] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 50 @ 0.01681
[2016-07-17 06:22:17] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 25 @ 0.01665
[2016-07-17 06:38:02] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBJ24H`: Buy 2000 @ 70269.0
[2016-07-17 06:51:12] magneto : Can someone tell me what "rebelances" mean here?
[2016-07-17 06:56:08] zanza : profit and loss made permanent
[2016-07-17 06:56:18] zanza : unrealized -> realized
[2016-07-17 06:59:56] magneto : So it is not limited to this position but overall?