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[2016-07-13 06:04:21] Rado : Will send 1 btc
[2016-07-13 06:04:41] Rado : To try some fx and oil, gold trading
[2016-07-13 06:08:14] macios15 : https://scr.hu/y9BY8r
[2016-07-13 06:09:02] macios15 : BitMEX_Wally: u there?
[2016-07-13 06:12:17] zanza : Rado, dont over 10x leverage imo
[2016-07-13 06:16:41] Rado : K
[2016-07-13 06:19:44] BitMEX_Wally : macios15: Hello
[2016-07-13 06:32:18] rapidtrades : forex sites are hyping the china trade balance due in 30 mins
[2016-07-13 06:32:24] BitMEX_Wally : macios15: Please reload the page in your browser. We fixed an issue earlier
[2016-07-13 06:32:31] rapidtrades : could see soome yuan moves
[2016-07-13 07:12:27] rapidtrades : we're seeing some weakening in yuan
[2016-07-13 07:13:10] rapidtrades : very volatile day today for usd/cnh
[2016-07-13 07:24:28] seafvasvsdvasvasdv : 666-time!
[2016-07-13 07:33:48] fineregex : BitMEX_Wally: since 1-2 days i get the serenity
[2016-07-13 07:34:07] fineregex : *sentry
[2016-07-13 07:34:19] fineregex : BitMEX_Wally: on every second click. Maybe switch it off/make it less verbose?
[2016-07-13 07:34:41] fineregex : i mean the bug report popup
[2016-07-13 07:35:42] fineregex : seafvasvsdvasvasdv: why
[2016-07-13 07:39:49] fineregex : Rado: dont use oil on 1broker, crazy spread and expires regularily. Others things there are cheaper like indices/forex. consider using my link https://1broker.com/m/r.php?i=6217
[2016-07-13 07:42:29] fineregex : seafvasvsdvasvasdv:hmmm $666.66 so bitcoin is evil? or evil tries to make you sell?
[2016-07-13 07:55:31] rapidtrades : yen pairs look ready to rollover
[2016-07-13 07:55:42] rapidtrades : ....and hopefully DIE
[2016-07-13 07:58:56] rapidtrades : yuan still weakening
[2016-07-13 08:32:15] blackwhite : I saw something about Quoine here. Does bitmex partner with them for Xbj liquidity or what?
[2016-07-13 08:33:17] rapidtrades : maybe......what's it to you?
[2016-07-13 08:45:42] BitMEX_Arthur : blackwhite: We partnered with Quoine to launch XBJ24H
[2016-07-13 08:45:52] BitMEX_Arthur : They are offering the product direct to their Japanese clients
[2016-07-13 08:47:37] rapidtrades : BitMEX_Arthur: what do u think about the yen
[2016-07-13 08:54:10] BitMEX_Arthur : helicopter money = yen 120
[2016-07-13 09:00:54] rapidtrades : BitMEX_Arthur: http://news.forexlive.com/!/japan-pm-abe-adviser-hamada-says-helicopter-money-a-risky-gamble-20160713
[2016-07-13 09:09:06] BitMEX_Arthur : Risky for sure but they have no other options at this point
[2016-07-13 09:09:20] BitMEX_Arthur : they have no more bonds or equities to buy
[2016-07-13 09:10:27] rapidtrades : right but the stimulus they're talking about is only 100-200b...that compares to yearly buying of 700-800b
[2016-07-13 09:10:46] rapidtrades : numbers don't add up to substantially weaker yen
[2016-07-13 09:12:00] rapidtrades : 'they' abe's advisers....we haven't heard anything official at this point
[2016-07-13 09:15:29] rapidtrades : Japan's Abe says he has ordered government to do all possible to reach nominal 3% GDP growth
[2016-07-13 09:15:33] rapidtrades : here we go ^^^
[2016-07-13 09:16:05] rapidtrades : f*cker finally opened this mouth
[2016-07-13 09:16:14] BitMEX_Arthur : link?
[2016-07-13 09:17:14] rapidtrades : just this http://news.forexlive.com/!/japans-abe-says-he-has-ordered-government-all-possible-to-reach-20160713
[2016-07-13 09:17:24] rapidtrades : it's developing, speaking now prolly
[2016-07-13 09:25:08] zanza : FX is not responding
[2016-07-13 09:26:39] rapidtrades : jap stocks up 0.3% tho...
[2016-07-13 09:27:04] rapidtrades : god equity investors are dumb man
[2016-07-13 09:27:52] zanza : this fx news was priced in
[2016-07-13 09:28:15] zanza : rumor is ben travelled to japan from USA in a helicopter
[2016-07-13 09:29:11] rapidtrades : I just find all this mind boggling...it's like one big joke
[2016-07-13 09:33:41] rapidtrades : they also sharply slashed inflation and growth forecasts for the year....post-election of course
[2016-07-13 09:34:06] rapidtrades : if a company did that it would be under SEC investigation
[2016-07-13 09:42:51] rapidtrades : 70 pips move higher in yen pairs....looks like it wasn't priced in lol
[2016-07-13 09:43:25] rapidtrades : abe should've went with 10%.....these idiots would've bought that too
[2016-07-13 09:46:36] rapidtrades : Abe: Guyz I wants 3% GDP, *snaps fingers
[2016-07-13 09:48:07] rapidtrades : u know i rarely go against the trend but this whole thing is ridiculous
[2016-07-13 09:51:24] rapidtrades : bunch of jap news past hour here http://www.forexlive.com/
[2016-07-13 09:55:08] wotan : when the money system crash it will be hard and bad and most people are far away to be prepared of it
[2016-07-13 10:04:20] rapidtrades : jap emperor wants to abdicate now lol
[2016-07-13 10:06:00] rapidtrades : wtf is going on lol....this is like watching one of those weird jap game shows on youtube
[2016-07-13 11:08:15] subjective : BitMEX_Arthur: are there any plan to deposit other currency like ETH as collateral?
[2016-07-13 12:05:43] macios15 : and fucking again
[2016-07-13 12:05:44] macios15 : It looks like we're having some internal issues.
[2016-07-13 12:10:47] sabaisabai : hello , im new here , i wanted to know ... 1BTC = 1XBT ???
[2016-07-13 12:14:14] BitMEX_Wally : sabaisabai: Yes, XBT is the ISO currency code for Bitcoin
[2016-07-13 12:40:40] sabaisabai : thanks
[2016-07-13 12:42:46] Chimpindeed : Dont thank them Youre going to lose all your money
[2016-07-13 12:50:18] Chimpindeed : Your costs of doing business plus funding are high here
[2016-07-13 13:02:24] subjective : BitMEX_Wally: What is the API to get trade history?
[2016-07-13 13:06:38] BitMEX_Wally : History of public trades is `/trade/
[2016-07-13 13:06:46] BitMEX_Wally : Your own fills is `/execution/`
[2016-07-13 13:08:57] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 500 @ 662.40
[2016-07-13 13:09:27] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 165036 @ 660.23 **REKTosaurus** :slot_machine: :moneybag: :fire:
[2016-07-13 13:09:27] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 460 @ 660.45
[2016-07-13 13:09:57] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 100 @ 658.34
[2016-07-13 13:09:57] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 4000 @ 658.58
[2016-07-13 13:09:57] REKT : HODL HODL HODL!
[2016-07-13 13:09:57] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 7725 @ 658.46
[2016-07-13 13:10:17] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 50 @ 656.75
[2016-07-13 13:10:22] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 201 @ 656.73
[2016-07-13 13:10:29] ayy_lmao : lmao
[2016-07-13 13:11:07] Chimpindeed : and thats how its done
[2016-07-13 14:15:05] yerb : hmm, my numpad is not working in price input, wtf? it works everywhere else
[2016-07-13 14:16:12] yerb : BitMEX_Wally: any thoughts on that, numpad not working in price input
[2016-07-13 14:18:00] BitMEX_Wally : yerb: Are you on Safari?
[2016-07-13 14:18:08] BitMEX_Wally : Try refreshing the page and let me know if that fixes it
[2016-07-13 14:18:22] yerb : BitMEX_Wally: firefox
[2016-07-13 14:18:30] yerb : i can try chrome tho
[2016-07-13 14:18:58] BitMEX_Wally : So the number pad does not work, what about the numbers at the top of the keyboard?
[2016-07-13 14:19:21] yerb : they work
[2016-07-13 14:19:30] yerb : just numpad
[2016-07-13 14:19:46] yerb : but numpad works on all other pages in ithe inputs
[2016-07-13 14:19:57] yerb : just not bitmex
[2016-07-13 14:20:03] BitMEX_Wally : Ok I'll ask BitMEX_Sam to investigate, we changed that code earlier
[2016-07-13 14:20:11] yerb : cool
[2016-07-13 14:20:25] yerb : ill check in chrome now
[2016-07-13 14:21:45] yerb : BitMEX_Wally: same problem in chrome
[2016-07-13 14:21:59] yerb : must be the code change
[2016-07-13 14:23:18] yerb : both fields quantity and price have same issue
[2016-07-13 14:33:05] elmorte : Anyone here get any cold calls regarding selling large quantities of BTC for cash?
[2016-07-13 14:34:02] elmorte : They're willing to fly you out to wherever to meet face to face...
[2016-07-13 14:38:45] Teddy76 : elmorte: From your bank?
[2016-07-13 14:39:06] elmorte : lol, no...a "group of investors"
[2016-07-13 14:39:56] Teddy76 : lol ok sry, misunderstanded :D
[2016-07-13 14:40:20] elmorte : no worries :) glad I'm not talking to myself
[2016-07-13 14:40:31] Teddy76 : no never, but how they get your number?
[2016-07-13 14:40:43] elmorte : From localbitcoins
[2016-07-13 14:42:17] Teddy76 : you're interested to do that? What's price and fund wire way?
[2016-07-13 14:42:46] elmorte : That's the thing...they wanna fly me out to discuss that. I'm just curious.
[2016-07-13 14:43:04] elmorte : It would be cash from what I understand, at a premium
[2016-07-13 14:43:05] Teddy76 : hmmm curious effectively
[2016-07-13 14:43:16] Teddy76 : yeah, what i imagine ;)
[2016-07-13 14:44:44] elmorte : Just wondering if there's some btc scam that I'm not aware of
[2016-07-13 14:45:40] Teddy76 : money laundering imo, i don't see any other reason to buy big amount of BTC via cash
[2016-07-13 14:54:22] cekseh : You land and a taxi takes you to the "hotel"
[2016-07-13 14:54:32] cekseh : Where they proceed to slowly pull out your fingernails
[2016-07-13 14:54:49] cekseh : And remove appendages
[2016-07-13 15:01:16] elmorte : cekseh: possible
[2016-07-13 15:02:28] elmorte : def laundering of some type
[2016-07-13 15:02:54] BitMEX_Sam : How did they get your phone in the first place?
[2016-07-13 15:03:20] elmorte : localbitcoins
[2016-07-13 15:03:27] BitMEX_Sam : Ah.
[2016-07-13 15:05:12] elmorte : I sell a bit for a few obscure currencies in places where I have relatives. Easier to send money for birthdays etc as well :) So they called my relative who gave them my number
[2016-07-13 15:07:33] elmorte : BitMEX_Sam: how come I have a liqdn price for a short position that's worth 1/3 of my available balance?
[2016-07-13 15:08:46] BitMEX_Sam : Shorts always have a liquidation price since your potential liability is infinite
[2016-07-13 15:08:56] BitMEX_Sam : Longs can only go to zero, but shorts can go to infinity
[2016-07-13 15:09:54] rapidtrades : that's deep, yo
[2016-07-13 15:11:13] elmorte : BitMEX_Sam: lol...sorry, I'm long lol
[2016-07-13 15:11:23] elmorte : And it should be 0....but instead it's 162.37
[2016-07-13 15:11:43] rapidtrades : well, now u know elmorte
[2016-07-13 15:11:49] BitMEX_Sam : XBTUSD is an inverse contract, so when you're long you're actually short USD
[2016-07-13 15:13:23] elmorte : BitMEX_Sam: thanks. Just tell me to use a calculator next time so I don't feel so dumb :/
[2016-07-13 15:14:36] elmorte : rapidtrades: so how about a free trip to Milan? You can still go without a visa
[2016-07-13 15:15:09] rapidtrades : free trip? dude im not sleeping with u for a trip to Milano....wtf
[2016-07-13 15:15:39] elmorte : A business trip dude, don't flatter yourself :p
[2016-07-13 15:18:32] Rado : http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-07-13/unprecedented-step-japans-emperor-akihito-intends-abdicate
[2016-07-13 15:18:55] Rado : lol rapidtrades
[2016-07-13 15:20:50] rapidtrades : Fed's Mester Says Helicopter Money "The Next Step" In US Monetary Policy
[2016-07-13 15:21:10] rapidtrades : the madness never ends with these ppl
[2016-07-13 15:23:45] rapidtrades : yen look ready to barrel through 104...but i said that this morning too :)
[2016-07-13 15:24:30] rapidtrades : risk aversion past 3 hrs but Yuan is stronger...weird
[2016-07-13 15:29:21] elmorte : rapidtrades: so then....Paris?
[2016-07-13 15:34:28] rapidtrades : sorry i have a gf
[2016-07-13 15:36:41] elmorte : and I'm sure she's real, but it's just a day trip
[2016-07-13 15:37:27] elmorte : hopefully I mean...don't really know these ppl
[2016-07-13 15:41:28] rapidtrades : that's how the Hangover started....
[2016-07-13 15:42:18] rapidtrades : it's just a daytrip brah
[2016-07-13 15:51:42] rapidtrades : the media needs to manufacture another fear story like brexit....so we can dump again 5% for no reason
[2016-07-13 15:52:25] rapidtrades : Bloomberg is looping their Brexit coverage on every break....'Does it feel like 08?'
[2016-07-13 15:52:36] rapidtrades : 'This is panic'
[2016-07-13 15:53:24] rapidtrades : slowly every financial media will turn into ZH
[2016-07-13 15:58:43] macios15 : short squize incoming
[2016-07-13 15:59:56] DylanT : when are withdrawals processed? the faq is very clear.
[2016-07-13 16:00:30] Skitrx : looks like a fakeout
[2016-07-13 16:00:33] DylanT : isn't*
[2016-07-13 16:01:39] BitMEX_Sam : DylanT: `The cutoff time for Bitcoin withdrawals is 13:00 UTC. Shortly after that, Bitcoin will be sent to the address you specified. BitMEX will be increasing the number of withdrawal times in the near future.`
[2016-07-13 16:02:31] DylanT : thanks
[2016-07-13 16:02:53] BitMEX_Sam : (That's straight from the FAQ)
[2016-07-13 16:03:25] rapidtrades : it's not clear though
[2016-07-13 16:04:38] BitMEX_Sam : How so?
[2016-07-13 16:05:53] rapidtrades : *is
[2016-07-13 16:06:31] DylanT : Shouldn't you be trading rapidly instead of shit posting in here
[2016-07-13 16:09:51] Skitrx : he rapidly trades his opinion
[2016-07-13 16:12:12] rapidtrades : :)
[2016-07-13 16:12:35] rapidtrades : nothing to do here man, bitcoin stuck for weeks now
[2016-07-13 16:13:12] rapidtrades : almost 3 weeks in range
[2016-07-13 16:14:46] rapidtrades : maybe shether will moves stuff around in few days
[2016-07-13 16:15:00] Skitrx : starting to think the fun is over and we're just gonna be pump/dump for a while
[2016-07-13 16:16:05] elmorte : wait, what's the boring part then?
[2016-07-13 16:18:11] Skitrx : it's repetitive
[2016-07-13 16:18:47] Skitrx : and rampant with manipulation
[2016-07-13 16:20:01] rapidtrades : trends and ranges then to alternate...so we're overdue for some boring
[2016-07-13 16:20:13] rapidtrades : tend to *
[2016-07-13 16:25:24] QuantFocus : what's a 'Vegas striper'?
[2016-07-13 16:26:59] QuantFocus : like the fish?
[2016-07-13 16:31:56] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : QuantFocus: maybe there's a p missing?
[2016-07-13 16:32:10] QuantFocus : :smile:
[2016-07-13 16:32:23] QuantFocus : just trolling
[2016-07-13 16:33:13] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : haha ok :)
[2016-07-13 16:34:46] rapidtrades : http://news.forexlive.com/!/no-changing-your-mind-20160713
[2016-07-13 16:36:45] Rado : so placing orders is illegal?
[2016-07-13 16:36:53] Rado : that's what MMs do
[2016-07-13 16:38:06] rapidtrades : :)
[2016-07-13 16:38:40] rapidtrades : 3 years for trying to outsmart algos/orderbook watchers
[2016-07-13 16:39:14] rapidtrades : clearly a dangerous individual
[2016-07-13 16:40:04] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : rapidtrades: lol
[2016-07-13 16:40:16] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : That's absurd. Since when is placing orders illegal
[2016-07-13 16:40:20] elmorte : What if his large orders executed first?
[2016-07-13 16:40:29] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : elmorte: Right, and they could have
[2016-07-13 16:47:35] lockhedge : it's not illegal to place orders but it's illegal to place them without intending that they get filled
[2016-07-13 16:49:38] elmorte : Proving that intent must be a bitch then...unless you leave a trail of evidence
[2016-07-13 16:50:07] BruceKarsh : When will BitMEX add Monero? It's about time...it's a strong tech.
[2016-07-13 16:50:16] rapidtrades : maybe he had a diary :)
[2016-07-13 16:50:47] rapidtrades : today i will place orders then cancel then muahahhaha
[2016-07-13 16:51:09] rapidtrades : 8.5.2011
[2016-07-13 16:51:15] elmorte : Stardate
[2016-07-13 16:54:01] BitMEX_Sam : Spoofing is definitely illegal
[2016-07-13 16:54:18] BitMEX_Sam : This is an incredible article about it: http://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2015-spoofing/
[2016-07-13 16:59:05] elmorte : Damn, you weren
[2016-07-13 16:59:16] elmorte : 't exaggerating @BitMEX_Sam
[2016-07-13 16:59:38] elmorte : A pretty sweet how-to though
[2016-07-13 16:59:42] BitMEX_Sam : Yeah, Bloomberg really pushes the envelope
[2016-07-13 17:00:12] elmorte : Yeah, my GPU is smoking
[2016-07-13 17:11:18] BitMEX_Greg : Hey guys, what alts are you trading these days besides ETH and LTC?
[2016-07-13 17:16:23] elmorte : Sup Greg...it's a tough crowd.
[2016-07-13 17:17:12] elmorte : Do what Wally does - shake the mark up & down :) That will get you voices in here...
[2016-07-13 17:19:01] BitMEX_Greg : Hah, unfortunately I don't have that authority
[2016-07-13 17:24:40] elmorte : Looking at the volume on Polo should give you a decent idea
[2016-07-13 17:25:58] rapidtrades : im not considering anything besides ltc and eth atm
[2016-07-13 17:26:35] rapidtrades : not sure active trading works in other alts due to costs
[2016-07-13 17:26:42] rapidtrades : for my systems anyway
[2016-07-13 17:27:43] BitMEX_Greg : yeah the top traded alts besides ETH on Polo vary quite a bit from day to day
[2016-07-13 17:27:48] rapidtrades : BitMEX_Sam: @BitMEX_Greg can we get a new longterm quanto? the ppl want it
[2016-07-13 17:28:05] BitMEX_Greg : I believe we are still discussing it internally, @rapidtrades
[2016-07-13 17:28:42] rapidtrades : cool tnx...guess we'll wait
[2016-07-13 17:29:14] elmorte : BitMEX_Greg: true, just looking at it. I thought NXT == MMNXT...do I feel silly now
[2016-07-13 17:31:06] rapidtrades : Rado: what did u use to program ur bots again? i forgot
[2016-07-13 17:57:14] odieoh : Would like a new quanto as well
[2016-07-13 17:59:13] BitMEX_Greg : As much as we want to list one, we just need to justify it. The volumes are not great. Looking at the U16 contract, the past 24H volume was 30 XBT.
[2016-07-13 18:07:31] Rado : rapidtrades: coffee script
[2016-07-13 18:08:19] Rado : but the code I write is using the cryptotrader platform that interprets my code and does all the API calls
[2016-07-13 18:08:57] Rado : BitMEX_Greg: you need to come up with something
[2016-07-13 18:09:00] Rado : here is why
[2016-07-13 18:09:19] Rado : I saw a few users in here complain about the high funding rate when long
[2016-07-13 18:09:55] Rado : so the two use cases for trading are: 1. Day trading and 2. Long term holding of contracts
[2016-07-13 18:10:22] Rado : 2 can not be done with XBTUSD due to very high funding rates
[2016-07-13 18:10:51] Rado : I love that the funding rate is high and can hold the opposite position to generate the interest
[2016-07-13 18:11:07] Rado : however people that want to hold BTC fo rlong term on leverage can't right now
[2016-07-13 18:11:24] Rado : and I think you want these people to be your customers
[2016-07-13 18:11:55] BitMEX_Greg : Well the funding rates are only high when there is FOMO, which reflects that people will pay a premium to go long. Right now they are approximately 0.04% a day which is similar to the funding charge on Bitfinex for margin trading.
[2016-07-13 18:12:31] BitMEX_Greg : There's always going to be a charge for trading with leverage
[2016-07-13 18:12:48] BitMEX_Greg : whether that be in a funding level or in a Future's basis
[2016-07-13 18:13:05] Rado : that's fine
[2016-07-13 18:13:16] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBJ24H`: Sell 450 @ 68712.0
[2016-07-13 18:13:44] Rado : but the complaint was that the funding rate came to 72% for the period the user was complaining
[2016-07-13 18:14:19] Rado : I am just trying to help :-)
[2016-07-13 18:14:19] BitMEX_Greg : 72%? What period was that over?
[2016-07-13 18:14:28] Rado : you can decide to listen to your customers or not
[2016-07-13 18:14:30] BitMEX_Sam : That's if you extrapolate the % over a long period of time without acknowledging that it changes daily
[2016-07-13 18:14:42] BitMEX_Sam : Also could have been including leverage which is nonsense.
[2016-07-13 18:15:00] BitMEX_Sam : By that logic, if you buy a long-dated future at 20x with 10% premium, you've paid a 200% fee
[2016-07-13 18:15:27] Rado : BitMEX_Sam: but you can control that by using stop orders
[2016-07-13 18:15:33] BitMEX_Greg : Also in the past, the 24H futures last September/October traded at an annualised premium of something like 1400%
[2016-07-13 18:15:36] Rado : where the other one is charged to you no matter waht
[2016-07-13 18:16:11] Rado : maybe the 24H contract is the answer then
[2016-07-13 18:16:12] Rado : not sure
[2016-07-13 18:16:29] BitMEX_Greg : Well we have a 24 contract, just denominated in JPY
[2016-07-13 18:16:31] Rado : what I knwo is that I want another product besides the swap
[2016-07-13 18:16:56] Rado : that might satisfy me for my trading
[2016-07-13 18:17:14] BitMEX_Sam : You still pay the basis, one way or another
[2016-07-13 18:17:29] BitMEX_Sam : A funding transaction is more in your face, basis swings are more subtle
[2016-07-13 18:18:20] Rado : it's user perception I agree
[2016-07-13 18:18:57] Rado : personally I love BitMEX rates
[2016-07-13 18:19:05] Rado : compared to 1Broker or Whaleclub
[2016-07-13 18:19:09] aethlios : Rado: The difference with long term contracts and swap is that you can lock a stable-fixed premium, also can hedge with swap which pays variable. I agree we could have a 3month, 6month and 12month contract to have a 1 year yield curve.
[2016-07-13 18:19:11] Rado : they charge insane fees
[2016-07-13 18:19:21] Rado : 0.2% overnight
[2016-07-13 18:19:49] Rado : that is what I want aethlios
[2016-07-13 18:20:03] BitMEX_Sam : Yeah, bucket shops will always be more expensive because of what they guarantee
[2016-07-13 18:20:05] Rado : the BitMEX complaint is there is no volume
[2016-07-13 18:20:24] Rado : but if you don't have all contracts so people can trade spreads you can't expect the volume
[2016-07-13 18:21:11] aethlios : Rado: Yes with long term contracts many more complex strategies can be played, basically you can bet on the slope of the curve.
[2016-07-13 18:21:26] Rado : yep
[2016-07-13 18:21:53] Rado : BitMEX is still my favorite broker ;-)
[2016-07-13 18:22:16] aethlios : Now I will happily go long the xbtu16 and short the swap, betting that the average swap 8 hour premium will be higher than 0.07% which is the fixed yield of xbtu16
[2016-07-13 18:22:16] Rado : can't wait to sell my alt coins so I can start taking advantage of the funding rate
[2016-07-13 18:23:09] Rado : aethlios: what I am thinking of doing is trade ETHXBT to collect the rate
[2016-07-13 18:23:44] BitMEX_Greg : Rado: Thanks! But yeah basically if we see more volume on the long-dated then we will keep them. It's up to you guys to trade it, if noones trading then its a true reflection of demand
[2016-07-13 18:23:47] Rado : short/long around 50BTC on Kraken and buy/sell the equivalent contracts in here
[2016-07-13 18:24:20] Rado : BitMEX_Greg: to see the real volume you need a few more contracts
[2016-07-13 18:24:28] Rado : like Sep, Oct and Dec for example
[2016-07-13 18:24:48] Rado : I might be wrong, you guys are the experts
[2016-07-13 18:24:53] BitMEX_Greg : I think that would make it worse as its just fragmenting what liquidity is there already
[2016-07-13 18:25:15] Rado : not if people trade spreads
[2016-07-13 18:25:28] Rado : they will be buying/selling two contracts with the same volume
[2016-07-13 18:25:47] aethlios : I also believe we need a 1 year btc curve. the long term contracts wont reduce volume of swap, they will increase because of the spread betting.
[2016-07-13 18:26:52] lockhedge : aethlios: https://www.cryptofacilities.com they have futures until March 17 but nobody trades them
[2016-07-13 18:27:54] Rado : lockhedge: how are their fees?
[2016-07-13 18:28:33] justinlooking : the fills window is much worse than before!
[2016-07-13 18:29:14] BitMEX_Sam : How so?
[2016-07-13 18:29:15] Rado : Dec - 731.18
[2016-07-13 18:29:19] justinlooking : oh wait, i think i had stale data, a refresh has made it better
[2016-07-13 18:29:20] justinlooking : sorry sam
[2016-07-13 18:29:24] odieoh : I think just having a single 3 month quanto available is the happy medium (ie when Sep expires, Dec starts)
[2016-07-13 18:29:27] Rado : Mar - 748.72
[2016-07-13 18:29:38] justinlooking : it was showing pulled orders that hadn't even traded...
[2016-07-13 18:29:39] Rado : This is a good trade. Short Dec and long Mar
[2016-07-13 18:37:26] fineregex : actually, is the USA30 bull run one giant short squeeze?
[2016-07-13 18:39:00] fineregex : i thought it would be affected somewhat at least when sentiment/open orders is 90% short all the time
[2016-07-13 18:41:01] lockhedge : Rado: fees are not bad but there is no liquidity for futures with long maturities
[2016-07-13 18:43:38] 1QaZxSw2 : non-expiring contracts seem to be the future. Now bitmex and coinpit.io and soon everyone else will copy it
[2016-07-13 18:46:22] BitMEX_Greg : I think coinpit.io copied us haha
[2016-07-13 19:05:45] 1QaZxSw2 : you guys were certainly first
[2016-07-13 19:10:58] 1QaZxSw2 : but they claim they dont have DPE or funding.... still trying to figure how it works
[2016-07-13 19:11:14] 1QaZxSw2 : DPE is a bitch, it went to 30% the last drop
[2016-07-13 19:11:55] BitMEX_Greg : We are working out ways to reduce this, so bear with us.
[2016-07-13 19:12:25] BitMEX_Greg : Be careful on other exchanges that don't have a funding or proper DPE (or deleveraging) system.
[2016-07-13 19:12:39] BitMEX_Greg : As at the end of they day they will be the ones on the hook
[2016-07-13 19:38:36] 1QaZxSw2 : right, have to figure out what i hate more, the deleveraging or the DPE
[2016-07-13 20:13:05] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : 1QaZxSw2: Deleveraging for me. Makes hedging totally unpredictable if not impossible. So does DPE to some degree but not as much
[2016-07-13 20:15:44] BitMEX_Greg : What if you had an option to automatically put a limit or market order after you had been deleveraged?
[2016-07-13 20:48:17] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : BitMEX_Greg: Well if that order is filled then what would be the reason for my position to be deleveraged in the first place?
[2016-07-13 20:48:30] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : And why wouldn't it happen again right away?
[2016-07-13 20:49:45] BitMEX_Greg : Well the process would be the liquidation would happen, if its not filled then you would get deleveraged, then another order would be put on the market for you
[2016-07-13 21:14:48] nip : BitMEX_Greg: just increase maintenance margin a little bit
[2016-07-13 21:15:51] nip : just dont make it as high as 1%. okcoin already does that and has not had dpe this year
[2016-07-13 21:15:57] rapidtrades : holy shit....yen pairs just wont go down
[2016-07-13 21:16:06] rapidtrades : i feel another rapeage coming
[2016-07-13 21:16:20] BitMEX_Greg : nip: We are working on it, I believe its on testnet already
[2016-07-13 21:17:02] rapidtrades : it's hard to take the market srsly on this one when they got ECB wrong back dec and brexit right before...then exaggerated right after
[2016-07-13 21:17:24] nip : i very greatly prefer dpe to deleveraging
[2016-07-13 21:17:34] rapidtrades : dpe sucks man
[2016-07-13 21:17:49] nip : deleveraging is a terrible way of pretending you dont have dpe
[2016-07-13 21:18:48] rapidtrades : how so?
[2016-07-13 21:18:58] nip : there just isnt enough liquidity here yet to support 0.5% maintenance margin
[2016-07-13 21:19:28] rapidtrades : that statement doesn't make any sense because 0.5% is the same regardless of liquidty
[2016-07-13 21:20:46] nip : okcoin tried multiple solutions with LTC
[2016-07-13 21:21:11] nip : what ended up working was just increasing maintenance margin while leaving initial margin the same
[2016-07-13 21:22:59] rapidtrades : LTC is definetley not working at okc ..i myself got raped with 50% during halving last year
[2016-07-13 21:23:10] rapidtrades : over 50% actually
[2016-07-13 21:23:16] nip : last year
[2016-07-13 21:23:25] nip : they fixed it since then
[2016-07-13 21:23:26] rapidtrades : did they change their model after july/august?
[2016-07-13 21:23:29] nip : yes
[2016-07-13 21:23:32] rapidtrades : k what is it now
[2016-07-13 21:24:15] rapidtrades : i mean LTC/USD been having a much calmer year so not really a good indicator anyway
[2016-07-13 21:24:44] rapidtrades : i think even 20/1 is too high for crypto, maybe 10/1?
[2016-07-13 21:24:57] rapidtrades : only reason 20/1 works for okc is cos they manipulate the market
[2016-07-13 21:26:16] nip : or maybe it works because they let you choose 20x leverage but keep initial margin the same whether you choose 20x or 10x
[2016-07-13 21:26:37] nip : they keep maintenance margin the same i mean. you choose your initial margin just like here
[2016-07-13 21:26:55] rapidtrades : but that means that the effective margin is 20/1 no
[2016-07-13 21:27:01] rapidtrades : so how does it help
[2016-07-13 21:27:05] nip : yeah and that is fine
[2016-07-13 21:27:10] rapidtrades : guess it's not 40/1
[2016-07-13 21:27:15] rapidtrades : so that's a start lol
[2016-07-13 21:27:37] rapidtrades : leverage here is just too high to not have DPE
[2016-07-13 21:28:08] nip : what im saying is you can keep 50x leverage and lower dpe by increasing maintenance margin
[2016-07-13 21:28:25] nip : leave initial margin at 1 to 2%
[2016-07-13 21:28:35] nip : make maintenance margin higher than 0.5%
[2016-07-13 21:28:59] rapidtrades : agree
[2016-07-13 21:29:19] nip : okcoin margin calls people earlier i guess that is the difference i am pointing out
[2016-07-13 21:29:30] BitMEX_Sam : We have a tiered risk limit system that is launching very soon.
[2016-07-13 21:29:31] nip : they liquidate a bit sooner, so lower dpe
[2016-07-13 21:29:43] BitMEX_Sam : It's already in testnet. Essentially larger positions require a larger maintenance margin %.
[2016-07-13 21:30:25] nip : that sounds like a good solution as long as using multiple accounts does not become a problem
[2016-07-13 21:31:20] BitMEX_Sam : Yes, this means that we can set the initial risk limit lower, which make using multiple accounts to build a sizable position with the lowest possible margin much more difficult
[2016-07-13 21:31:39] BitMEX_Sam : We are also considering 1% MM on XBTUSD but we haven't come to a decision on that yet. If we do there will be plenty of warning.
[2016-07-13 21:33:45] rapidtrades : ok great....u kinda missed the boat on this one with volatility dying post pump
[2016-07-13 21:33:51] rapidtrades : but better now then never
[2016-07-13 21:34:18] BitMEX_Sam : Code doesn't come free, these systems take time to work out & test.
[2016-07-13 23:11:50] 1QaZxSw2 : so how is your deleveraging going to work? like cryptofacilities or like coinpit.io or something else?
[2016-07-13 23:13:22] BitMEX_Greg : We are still working out the fine tuning of it
[2016-07-13 23:14:39] 1QaZxSw2 : im sure you have traded on both so you can adopt the best and adjust the shortcomings but in my opinion, coinpit.io has too high leverage and cf has too low
[2016-07-13 23:27:36] BitMEX_Greg : Yeah 400x or whatever it is is a bit dangerous
[2016-07-13 23:51:38] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 555 @ 656.52
[2016-07-13 23:51:38] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 400 @ 656.51
[2016-07-13 23:51:38] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 4128 @ 656.32
[2016-07-13 23:51:38] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 10 @ 656.39
[2016-07-13 23:51:57] REKT : :roller_coaster: :chart_with_downwards_trend: :japanese_goblin:
[2016-07-13 23:51:57] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 130 @ 655.96
[2016-07-13 23:52:17] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 34000 @ 654.91 **MEGA-REKT** :boom:
[2016-07-13 23:54:32] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 9276 @ 652.85
[2016-07-13 23:55:51] Tetsuo : Hi REKT , how u doin?
[2016-07-13 23:58:20] nip : it is reversing here
[2016-07-13 23:58:24] nip : going back up now
[2016-07-14 00:00:57] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 6500 @ 651.17
[2016-07-14 00:00:57] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 2 @ 651.32 :punch: :whale:
[2016-07-14 00:01:32] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 101 @ 650.86
[2016-07-14 00:02:10] Tetsuo : Bring on the MEGA_REKTS!
[2016-07-14 00:03:02] nip : green candles
[2016-07-14 00:03:51] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETHXBT`: Buy 1750 @ 0.01628
[2016-07-14 00:04:54] Tetsuo : nip: 1m charts? lel
[2016-07-14 00:05:13] nip : Tetsuo: yes
[2016-07-14 00:09:53] fineregex : news on eth or just reacting on bitcoin ?
[2016-07-14 00:11:55] rapidtrades : idk we need a shitcoin trader
[2016-07-14 00:12:07] rapidtrades : jung1: sup
[2016-07-14 00:28:46] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : BitMEX_Greg: Do you know if the number field decimal workaround is being pushed soon?
[2016-07-14 00:32:45] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : BitMEX_Sam?
[2016-07-14 00:33:23] BitMEX_Greg : IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb: I
[2016-07-14 00:33:33] BitMEX_Greg : I'll need to check with Sam on that
[2016-07-14 00:33:42] BitMEX_Greg : Will get back to you shortly
[2016-07-14 00:34:01] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : BitMEX_Greg: Great, thank you :)
[2016-07-14 00:34:27] BitMEX_Greg : IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb: Just been informed that it was fixed, try refreshing your page
[2016-07-14 00:34:43] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : BitMEX_Greg: Excellent, thank you!
[2016-07-14 00:37:08] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : BitMEX_Greg: I refreshed the page and it's still not working for me, but perhaps it's still cached or something
[2016-07-14 00:37:43] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : Actually hold on it is working, it just hasn't been fixed in the calculator. Do you plan to do that as well?
[2016-07-14 00:38:09] BitMEX_Greg : Might be the next thing on Sam's list, when he's in I'll find out for you
[2016-07-14 00:38:29] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : Thanks for your help
[2016-07-14 00:38:58] BitMEX_Wally : IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb: Please describe the exact issue you have with entering decimals in the PNL calculator. Also what browser?
[2016-07-14 00:40:19] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : The entry and exit price fields still have the same issue that the limit price field in the place order section used to have. I think it was Sam that linked to the bug report for your UI framework recently. Perhaps I can find that again
[2016-07-14 00:41:51] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : Here it is. Also I'm on Opera
[2016-07-14 00:41:52] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : https://github.com/facebook/react/issues/7253
[2016-07-14 01:18:06] rapidtrades : People’s Bank of China sets yuan reference rate at 6.6846 (vs. yesterday at 6.6891)
[2016-07-14 01:18:41] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : rapidtrades: interesting...
[2016-07-14 01:19:52] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETHXBT`: Buy 5 @ 0.01650
[2016-07-14 01:19:52] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETHXBT`: Buy 20 @ 0.01666
[2016-07-14 01:21:26] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : rapidtrades: Where do you find that info?
[2016-07-14 01:21:47] rapidtrades : http://www.forexlive.com/
[2016-07-14 01:22:23] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : Thanks. So is that strengthening or weakening the yuan
[2016-07-14 01:22:24] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : ?
[2016-07-14 01:56:03] rapidtrades : its for usd/cnh
[2016-07-14 01:56:46] rapidtrades : sry cny...cnh is offshore
[2016-07-14 02:03:30] migz : Why are we tanking?
[2016-07-14 02:25:08] Tetsuo : Bitcoin is on the verge of collapse! 80$ might hold as new support in 2016!
[2016-07-14 02:29:32] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : Tetsuo: lol ur funny
[2016-07-14 02:54:46] zanza : u mean 8$ ?
[2016-07-14 03:03:18] elmorte : No, 8 ETH. ETH will become the new base currency
[2016-07-14 03:25:59] rapidtrades : Tetsuo: u idiot
[2016-07-14 03:33:04] Rado : Lol
[2016-07-14 03:33:15] Rado : he is dumb fuck
[2016-07-14 03:37:03] rapidtrades : i can't tell if he's trolling or genuinely retarded
[2016-07-14 03:48:56] rapidtrades : “When asked if they would like to have sex with me, 30% of women said yes, while the other 70% replied, ‘What, again?’'
[2016-07-14 04:09:18] odieoh : Well I know you've been great to have in bed for me and 80 of my male friends
[2016-07-14 04:09:54] odieoh : So I won't doubt that you do ok with the ladies as well
[2016-07-14 04:21:25] Rado : BTC soooooo boring
[2016-07-14 04:33:47] zanza : anyone having https://hypron.net/ problems ?
[2016-07-14 04:36:44] Rado : zanza: looks like their SSL certificate is invalid
[2016-07-14 04:36:54] Rado : what do they do?
[2016-07-14 04:37:13] zanza : they have to renew it
[2016-07-14 04:37:26] zanza : through a CA
[2016-07-14 04:38:05] Rado : yes
[2016-07-14 04:38:13] Rado : I was asking what kind of website is it
[2016-07-14 04:39:26] elmorte : lol
[2016-07-14 04:40:24] elmorte : Zanza Reminded me of this oldie: http://bash.org/?23601
[2016-07-14 04:41:07] Rado : ha ha
[2016-07-14 05:01:39] rapidtrades : btc too boring? come and get raped by the yen
[2016-07-14 05:02:32] rapidtrades : when i let this stupid loss ride i was like...i can take a 1,000 ppips move....now im like nope
[2016-07-14 05:07:59] zanza : Rado is a BTC charting site
[2016-07-14 05:08:03] zanza : most people use it around here
[2016-07-14 05:29:43] 1QaZxSw2 : so 1 contract on coinpit.io seems to be about 4000 contracts here. that site now has more liquidity
[2016-07-14 05:30:12] 1QaZxSw2 : so for hedging the next time market moves to 700, i may do half my short there
[2016-07-14 05:54:18] zanza : how could they possibly have more liquidity than here?
[2016-07-14 05:55:19] zanza : hat site is full of generic stock images
[2016-07-14 05:56:29] zanza : Yen spiking
[2016-07-14 05:56:44] rapidtrades : shut up zanza
[2016-07-14 05:56:52] zanza : how much you losing?
[2016-07-14 05:58:05] rapidtrades : it's not a losss until u close the trade
[2016-07-14 05:58:48] zanza : when should I open up more SP500 shorts?
[2016-07-14 06:00:16] rapidtrades : im long
[2016-07-14 06:00:47] zanza : exit point ?
[2016-07-14 06:01:49] rapidtrades : never
[2016-07-14 06:03:15] rapidtrades : 2064 doesn't look bad
[2016-07-14 06:08:45] rapidtrades : it's just taking out level after level, sick
[2016-07-14 06:10:50] rapidtrades : the BOJ better deliver helicopter money now or we're back down to 100
[2016-07-14 06:11:10] rapidtrades : none of this negative rates shit wil do now
[2016-07-14 06:11:14] boolander : if i ever see bernanke in the flesh, i will punch his stupid face
[2016-07-14 06:11:45] boolander : proper fk these central bankers have become
[2016-07-14 06:12:43] boolander : FAST RETAILING CUTS FY NET FORECAST TO 45.0B YEN FROM 60.0B - yeah, go go nikkei
[2016-07-14 06:16:51] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETHXBT`: Buy 58 @ 0.01694
[2016-07-14 06:18:29] rapidtrades : yeah frustrating to say the least
[2016-07-14 06:19:12] rapidtrades : it's not just bankers, its all these idiitos trying to front run a nonexisting stimulus
[2016-07-14 06:19:17] boolander : kinda at a loss for words at moment. how many trial balloons are we gonna get this week?
[2016-07-14 06:19:36] rapidtrades : copter money aint happening
[2016-07-14 06:19:57] boolander : perpetual bonds were the next floater
[2016-07-14 06:20:08] rapidtrades : that[s copter money
[2016-07-14 06:20:32] rapidtrades : guy who said that doesn;t even work for gov anymore, he's ambasador now
[2016-07-14 06:20:44] rapidtrades : it's just a big joke
[2016-07-14 06:21:33] rapidtrades : Honda was a special adviser to Abe and now Japanese ambassador in Switzerland
[2016-07-14 06:21:37] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETHXBT`: Buy 149 @ 0.01711
[2016-07-14 06:23:03] boolander : "Bca Monte dei Paschi – may seek to raise up to €4bn of capital (market cap is below €1bn)."
[2016-07-14 06:23:16] rapidtrades : i think everyone is thinking they're america and they can just bounce back like sp5500
[2016-07-14 06:23:24] rapidtrades : maybe correlation algos playing a part too
[2016-07-14 06:24:38] boolander : yeah. fk me. look at spu's go go go
[2016-07-14 06:24:44] boolander : algo algo
[2016-07-14 06:26:47] rapidtrades : jap stocks are still well below highs two days ago while fx is going nuts
[2016-07-14 06:28:06] rapidtrades : we're literally crashing up at this point, amazing
[2016-07-14 07:08:17] rapidtrades : Hamada opposed to the idea, helicopter risk stoking runaway inflation
[2016-07-14 07:08:24] rapidtrades : ^current abe advisor
[2016-07-14 07:09:13] rapidtrades : if there's no helicopter money, yen pairs must crash
[2016-07-14 07:09:28] rapidtrades : they've already priced in additional QE
[2016-07-14 07:45:17] muirtastic : What does "Cross" mean for leverage?
[2016-07-14 07:51:04] elmorte : https://www.bitmex.com/app/isolatedMargin
[2016-07-14 07:56:01] muirtastic : Ok thanks
[2016-07-14 07:56:39] elmorte : basically, you run less risk of getting liquidated in cross, but the risk of loss is not limited like in isolated
[2016-07-14 07:56:54] elmorte : the size of loss is not limited in isolated, my bad
[2016-07-14 07:57:02] elmorte : fck me...
[2016-07-14 07:57:13] elmorte : you run less risk of getting liquidated in cross, but the size of loss is not limited like in isolated
[2016-07-14 08:05:40] zanza : rapidtrades: you have your SP500 exit
[2016-07-14 08:06:27] RoftheN : how sad, my order was never touched
[2016-07-14 08:11:11] rapidtrades : zanza: that was a possible stop not target
[2016-07-14 08:11:53] rapidtrades : also 2064 not 2164
[2016-07-14 09:17:21] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 83 @ 0.01669
[2016-07-14 09:58:03] zanza : wow 2200 sp500 tomorrow
[2016-07-14 11:17:53] rapidtrades : sharp drop in sp500 on BOE...u would think ppl would learn after brexit that uk doesn't matter
[2016-07-14 11:21:37] rapidtrades : http://news.forexlive.com/!/japan-will-not-be-resorting-to-helicopter-money-via-perpetual-bonds-any-time-soon-20160714 LOL@market
[2016-07-14 11:23:59] rapidtrades : Gov: We're not doing 'copter cash.....Market: Yea you are.....Gov:No we aren't Market: You are....Gov: NO srsly we're not...Market: THEY ARE BUY EVERYHTING
[2016-07-14 11:30:06] rapidtrades : they just misjudged another CB action today....doesn't stop them for rallying tho, f retards
[2016-07-14 11:30:52] rapidtrades : literally just correlation algos buying shit as the Pound goes up
[2016-07-14 11:54:59] zanza : u should close SNP long
[2016-07-14 11:55:07] zanza : rapidtrades: this is a safe exit
[2016-07-14 12:43:02] rapidtrades : ur right let me close the only winning trade atm so im exposed to extra yen rapage
[2016-07-14 12:45:02] zanza : sp might goto 2200
[2016-07-14 12:45:16] zanza : but probably not much higher, and probably gunna drop again
[2016-07-14 12:45:49] rapidtrades : good
[2016-07-14 13:05:13] rapidtrades : what an orgy of buying
[2016-07-14 13:10:07] rapidtrades : when is that eth thingy....in 3 days
[2016-07-14 13:13:19] rapidtrades : so coinbase added eth? wtf is this news?
[2016-07-14 13:13:32] rapidtrades : i thought the whole point of renaming was so they include eth
[2016-07-14 13:49:57] Roevenger : yeah, the market goes retard sometimes, remember the whole skyrocket that happened 2 months ago? All based on DAO release and fake news
[2016-07-14 17:02:43] Rado : Ethereum DAO hard-fork likely on july 20th”
[2016-07-14 17:05:18] rapidtrades : nice tnx for that
[2016-07-14 17:05:25] rapidtrades : why the ***** tho @Rado
[2016-07-14 17:06:02] Rado : *?