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[2016-07-12 15:06:04] johndoe : shorting 10k now
[2016-07-12 15:06:13] elmorte : Yeah, I almost shorted at 661
[2016-07-12 15:06:28] johndoe : actually 5k - hit my limit
[2016-07-12 15:06:47] smoker : its like cant move from 645-655
[2016-07-12 15:07:24] smoker : atleast some action today
[2016-07-12 15:07:31] justinlooking : hurray
[2016-07-12 15:09:02] johndoe : got in with 4.5k @ 663.21, and 500 @ 663.22 :)
[2016-07-12 15:09:11] johndoe : but still hurting obviously
[2016-07-12 15:09:12] elmorte : Nice, I was too slow
[2016-07-12 15:09:19] elmorte : couple of ppl went long at ~664.5
[2016-07-12 15:09:25] johndoe : didn't close any shorts - was in the other room - hah damn
[2016-07-12 15:09:29] johndoe : got all complacent
[2016-07-12 15:09:40] elmorte : get yer shit together @johndoe
[2016-07-12 15:09:52] johndoe : seriously
[2016-07-12 15:10:32] elmorte : mind on your money, and money on your mind
[2016-07-12 15:10:35] smoker : + 0.4977 XBT from 655 - 660
[2016-07-12 15:10:48] elmorte : and the finger on the trigger
[2016-07-12 15:10:49] macios15 : more pump incoming
[2016-07-12 15:11:23] elmorte : smoker: that's a couple of good nights out in Thailand
[2016-07-12 15:11:58] smoker : here 2 :)
[2016-07-12 15:12:01] johndoe : sure is
[2016-07-12 15:12:12] elmorte : or like a 3 month salary in Bangladesh
[2016-07-12 15:12:48] elmorte : j/k prob 6 months
[2016-07-12 15:13:23] smoker : 0.4977 profit and i had like 3.9 btc to play haha
[2016-07-12 15:14:05] johndoe : got my stops around 668 in case you guys wanna aim for them
[2016-07-12 15:15:09] justinlooking : target acquired :P
[2016-07-12 15:15:20] smoker : if i could just know where it will go now lol
[2016-07-12 15:15:34] justinlooking : 672 ofc
[2016-07-12 15:15:44] smoker : ok time to load 100k then
[2016-07-12 15:15:47] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 1500 @ 660.74
[2016-07-12 15:16:10] elmorte : I don't get this stop business...can you explain the thought process behind it? I mean wouldn't you be pissed off if it touches 668.1 and then plummets after that?
[2016-07-12 15:16:28] elmorte : I guess I lack the experience
[2016-07-12 15:16:48] johndoe : usually i get out gradually with different stops
[2016-07-12 15:17:11] johndoe : but yah, that's definitely the big risk/worry
[2016-07-12 15:17:32] johndoe : i just kinda fell asleep at the wheel back there :(
[2016-07-12 15:17:45] elmorte : I've only ever been liqd when market moved suddenly and then retraced...so problem wasn't my decision thought, it was the lack of capital (for the margin)
[2016-07-12 15:18:02] elmorte : Am I thinking about it wrongly?
[2016-07-12 15:18:27] smoker : i had a buy on finex on 645 but it hit the fan now
[2016-07-12 15:18:44] elmorte : Unless you're using a very small amount of capital, then stops just don't make sense to me if you're convinced of your position
[2016-07-12 15:19:26] johndoe : well, my primary position is that 2-month old margin long on bitfinex. this is just like for speculation/hedging
[2016-07-12 15:19:34] johndoe : my forte is in position trading - not daytrading
[2016-07-12 15:19:34] elmorte : But I realize other ppl feel exactly opposite, I just don't get it
[2016-07-12 15:20:24] johndoe : yah, your right - if you have conviction, you'd only use like a large emergency stop
[2016-07-12 15:20:55] johndoe : my stop for my two-moth old position is the last recent 555 low on bitfinex
[2016-07-12 15:21:31] elmorte : but that's still well in the money :)
[2016-07-12 15:21:54] johndoe : but that is actually not just a stop - it's a stop-and-reversal
[2016-07-12 15:21:58] smoker : johndoe: how many u pay for fees every day on long @ finex?
[2016-07-12 15:22:00] johndoe : so i'll take the same amount of contracts and short it
[2016-07-12 15:22:14] Rado : Looks like 650 is behind us now
[2016-07-12 15:22:20] elmorte : yup, covered hedge
[2016-07-12 15:22:28] Rado : should become support now
[2016-07-12 15:22:38] elmorte : but then you lose out on any price movements
[2016-07-12 15:23:25] nip : @bitmex: when i try to filter trade history by clicking a symbol, it reloads the page and loads my unfiltered trade history. i can manually get the trade history successfully by adding &filter=
[2016-07-12 15:23:45] johndoe : smoker: rather not say position size, but definitely the margin cost is fairly costly
[2016-07-12 15:24:16] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 1036 @ 0.01611
[2016-07-12 15:24:19] smoker : yeah fees kills it if price doesnt move
[2016-07-12 15:25:52] BitMEX_Sam : nip: Will check
[2016-07-12 15:25:55] elmorte : Ooh, Hillary and Bernie on TV together...
[2016-07-12 15:26:10] johndoe : yah, i've been pretty bored honestly. two months is pretty long in bitcoin world. i've also been short ETHUSD since about $16.50 on the day when the DAO fiasco cratered the market.
[2016-07-12 15:26:37] johndoe : really like this site though. happy to diversify away from bitfinex
[2016-07-12 15:26:41] BitMEX_Sam : nip: Not seeing that here. Any errors in your console? We're not getting any sent to us
[2016-07-12 15:27:02] BitMEX_Sam : johndoe: :+1: :rocket:
[2016-07-12 15:27:20] johndoe : =D
[2016-07-12 15:27:21] smoker : johndoe: ill trade here now works better for my trading
[2016-07-12 15:27:54] elmorte : BitMEX_Sam: click on a symbol only adds start=0 for me....
[2016-07-12 15:28:04] nip : BitMEX_Sam: i have had this issue since the feature was implemented. i get a toast saying NetworkError attempting to fetch resource. console says NS_ERROR_UNEXPECTED
[2016-07-12 15:28:09] BitMEX_Sam : elmorte: Yes, to the url, but it should add a filter
[2016-07-12 15:28:15] nip : today i tried a get request and it worked fine
[2016-07-12 15:28:20] BitMEX_Sam : I'm working on getting the filter in the url so deep linking works properly
[2016-07-12 15:28:52] elmorte : k...i'd try a diff contract but it's been ages since the last trade
[2016-07-12 15:28:58] johndoe : elmorte: i missed what you said back there. when i said stop-and-reversal, i mean't not just close out my position, but close out and then take a new short position with the same exposure as my closed out long position had.
[2016-07-12 15:28:59] smoker : johndoe: and i like that here btc is in cold storage
[2016-07-12 15:29:01] BitMEX_Sam : Ah FF. Sometimes we have issues with it. I'll take a look
[2016-07-12 15:30:27] elmorte : Searching for 'ETHXBT' gives the unexpected token error
[2016-07-12 15:30:36] johndoe : smoker: yah, they seem to have their sh-t together here in terms of security and trading-engine speed.
[2016-07-12 15:31:07] elmorte : XBTM16 also...and I know I had some trades there
[2016-07-12 15:31:12] nip : BitMEX_Sam: it probably has to do with my security settings, but i thought i would mention it since the rest of the site works
[2016-07-12 15:31:25] BitMEX_Sam : nip: Not just you, I'm seeing it in Firefox too
[2016-07-12 15:31:29] BitMEX_Sam : I'll fix it & let you know when it's live
[2016-07-12 15:31:34] nip : thanks
[2016-07-12 15:31:35] ggwp : johndoe: stopped out mate?
[2016-07-12 15:32:14] elmorte : BitMEX_Sam: false alarm, clicking on XBTM16 works
[2016-07-12 15:32:55] elmorte : johndoe: k, so reverse and hope it's a breakout?
[2016-07-12 15:33:05] elmorte : BitMEX_Sam: works as in it filters properly
[2016-07-12 15:33:17] elmorte : but you already knew that :)
[2016-07-12 15:33:19] johndoe : ggwp: no, stops @ around 668
[2016-07-12 15:33:37] johndoe : ggwp: increased short by 5k @ 663.21/22
[2016-07-12 15:33:50] elmorte : BitMEX_Sam: Thanks for the fill history btw!
[2016-07-12 15:33:56] BitMEX_Sam : :+1:
[2016-07-12 15:34:23] johndoe : elmorte: sort of, but that is my position trading trend-following type of strategy which isn't as concerned about breakouts and short-term moves generally
[2016-07-12 15:34:53] johndoe : just hope it goes down gradually over the following days
[2016-07-12 15:35:24] elmorte : johndoe: did you come up with the strategy yourself, trial n error or how?
[2016-07-12 15:35:38] Roevenger : the indicators don't show me a good uptrend move, I could be wrong but I don't trust this climb until we break 666
[2016-07-12 15:35:41] ggwp : johndoe: k, be careful ;)
[2016-07-12 15:36:56] rullwull : waiting for 620
[2016-07-12 15:37:57] smoker : rullwull: i have same feeling last few days
[2016-07-12 15:38:28] smoker : could get messy really fast
[2016-07-12 15:38:59] johndoe : elmorte: yah, my father got me into trading about 10 years ago. I then developed many different models for many markets using manual trendline drawing and analysis with TradeStation software (never automated). Finally about 5 years ago, i started actually getting really good results in live trading (as opposed to back-tested results which are usually a mirage). So it has been about 10 years now of designing my models and learning about markets. All of which led me to my single model that i've been using for the last 3 years on futures and now BTC.
[2016-07-12 15:39:43] rullwull : i see it on daily and 4h, but of course nobody knows)
[2016-07-12 15:40:21] elmorte : johndoe: sweet as, nice job dad!
[2016-07-12 15:41:21] johndoe : haha yah, definitely a destiny-altering event
[2016-07-12 15:42:16] elmorte : so you traded back in the $1200s as well?
[2016-07-12 15:42:49] johndoe : no, i got into BTC in summer 2014 @ $600 or so
[2016-07-12 15:43:34] smoker : i joined @ $125 but didnt had any btc lol
[2016-07-12 15:44:17] elmorte : window shopping :)
[2016-07-12 15:44:18] rullwull : i still keep btc that i bought below 1 dollar
[2016-07-12 15:44:45] wotan : rullwull hero
[2016-07-12 15:45:00] elmorte : I bet you could sell it for almost $700 now...
[2016-07-12 15:46:38] rullwull : i sold half of them around 900-950 in 2013, and the rest never touched, waiting for the new highs in the beginning of august to sell some more
[2016-07-12 16:01:56] elmorte : Gonna be pretty pissed if something happens now as I'm about to go to sleep...
[2016-07-12 16:06:48] johndoe : yah, i this could be really critical if has a solid break above 667
[2016-07-12 16:08:06] smoker : atleast its some movement today haha
[2016-07-12 16:11:27] ax : more rektings incoming soon
[2016-07-12 16:12:27] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 110685 @ 664.57 **REKTosaurus** :slot_machine: :moneybag: :fire:
[2016-07-12 16:12:39] ax : boom
[2016-07-12 16:12:42] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 20 @ 665.01
[2016-07-12 16:13:04] nip : nice colored liquidations
[2016-07-12 16:13:07] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 20 @ 667.38
[2016-07-12 16:13:12] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 23400 @ 667.62 **MEGA-REKT** :boom:
[2016-07-12 16:13:16] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBJ24H`: Buy 180 @ 69635.0
[2016-07-12 16:13:16] REKT : :btc: :rocket: :crescent_moon:
[2016-07-12 16:13:24] Martinos : wow
[2016-07-12 16:13:24] smoker : ahahaha
[2016-07-12 16:13:39] ax : theres was a 7k sell wall in china just 5 minutes ago. can't stop the bull
[2016-07-12 16:13:49] justinlooking : fomoooo
[2016-07-12 16:14:01] RoftheN : I'm only 3000 long :(
[2016-07-12 16:15:40] ax : next stop 4600
[2016-07-12 16:15:53] ax : or maybe all the way to 4750
[2016-07-12 16:16:05] smoker : long 20k on 670 lol
[2016-07-12 16:16:32] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 6500 @ 670.87
[2016-07-12 16:16:42] smoker : but i get out in 5 minutes so
[2016-07-12 16:20:40] ayy_lmao : lol
[2016-07-12 16:21:32] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBJ24H`: Buy 11 @ 70470.0
[2016-07-12 16:22:44] smoker : ayy_lmao: hehe i dont like that rekt messages that much lol
[2016-07-12 16:23:06] nip : how is there already dpe
[2016-07-12 16:23:42] elmorte : That 139k needs to be filled...anyone check the insurance fund?
[2016-07-12 16:23:57] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 2000 @ 675.34
[2016-07-12 16:24:03] smoker : and im out lol
[2016-07-12 16:26:01] ayy_lmao : this spread
[2016-07-12 16:26:01] ayy_lmao : lmao
[2016-07-12 16:26:11] smoker : haha
[2016-07-12 16:26:16] ayy_lmao : stamp and finex at 675
[2016-07-12 16:26:18] ayy_lmao : wut are you doing bitmex
[2016-07-12 16:27:04] ax : they take profit on a 5$ gain and miss out on the rest of the pump
[2016-07-12 16:27:21] elmorte : wth happened there...
[2016-07-12 16:33:58] smoker : so much rekt today
[2016-07-12 16:45:01] ggwp : johndoe: hope you got stopped out and not liquidated mate
[2016-07-12 16:45:22] mrp1nk : ayy_lmao: bearmex :-)
[2016-07-12 16:45:25] johndoe : ggwp: nah, i got liquidated - its in the chat log
[2016-07-12 16:46:17] johndoe : i mean, it hurts, but i'm still pretty happy cause of my main position trade
[2016-07-12 16:46:26] ggwp : well, so did I - high five!
[2016-07-12 16:46:28] johndoe : do feel pretty careless though with that much leverage
[2016-07-12 16:46:43] johndoe : ggwp: =D high five
[2016-07-12 16:46:49] ggwp : which one is yours?
[2016-07-12 16:47:01] johndoe : the 23400 mega-rekt
[2016-07-12 16:47:22] ggwp : noice, not sure if mine popped up
[2016-07-12 16:48:22] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 950 @ 0.01580
[2016-07-12 16:48:48] smoker : im half btc up today i guess im good for now
[2016-07-12 16:49:17] daveberns1 : large spread between spot and mark on XBTU16
[2016-07-12 16:50:58] ggwp : johndoe: is your main on bfx? how is it there?
[2016-07-12 16:51:05] elmorte : probably since it takes into account time to expiry @daveberns1
[2016-07-12 16:51:12] ggwp : I find their kyc policy annoying
[2016-07-12 16:51:34] johndoe : ggwp: i've deposited/withdrew USD, so haven't had KYC issues
[2016-07-12 16:51:40] johndoe : i've never*
[2016-07-12 16:51:50] ggwp : ah
[2016-07-12 16:51:55] elmorte : Don't remember any KYC at finex...
[2016-07-12 16:52:01] ggwp : never had to send them an ID?
[2016-07-12 16:52:04] ggwp : scan
[2016-07-12 16:52:08] elmorte : probably coz of what @johndoe siad
[2016-07-12 16:52:10] elmorte : said
[2016-07-12 16:52:34] elmorte : Polo had to send a photo holding the ID
[2016-07-12 16:52:43] ggwp : but name/last name DoB address is obligatory
[2016-07-12 16:52:47] daveberns1 : elmorte: would they both take that into account?
[2016-07-12 16:52:48] ggwp : elmorte: yeah lol
[2016-07-12 16:52:56] daveberns1 : *wouldnt
[2016-07-12 16:53:00] elmorte : daveberns1: No, mark doesn't
[2016-07-12 16:53:09] elmorte : sorry, spot doesn't
[2016-07-12 16:53:32] elmorte : spot is exactly as defined, current price
[2016-07-12 16:53:46] elmorte : Spot on sept == spot on swap
[2016-07-12 16:54:18] wotan : nice push voer 666
[2016-07-12 16:56:01] elmorte : ggwp: yeah, my finex account is corporate and I sure as hell didn't send any docs
[2016-07-12 16:56:48] ggwp : elmorte: good to know, didn't feel like researching. Thanks!
[2016-07-12 17:02:30] ggwp : anyone have any qualms about the new EU laws on AML which'll impact crypto exchanges?
[2016-07-12 17:09:34] smoker : ggwp: where i can read that new eu laws?
[2016-07-12 17:10:45] ggwp : coindesk had an article iirc
[2016-07-12 17:11:02] smoker : i think i checked that day ago
[2016-07-12 17:11:11] ggwp : opinions?
[2016-07-12 17:13:34] smoker : ggwp: i see its aimed at terrorist financing im not a terroris so i dont know lol
[2016-07-12 17:16:57] elmorte : smoker: that's exactly what a terrorist would say!
[2016-07-12 17:17:14] daveberns1 : elmorte: so essentially that spread just represents a low daily rate?
[2016-07-12 17:17:19] smoker : oh no now u got me ahahah
[2016-07-12 17:17:26] daveberns1 : *swap rate
[2016-07-12 17:19:07] smoker : i guess they just wanna slap some taxes on our btcs
[2016-07-12 17:19:43] elmorte : daveberns1: the spread between spot and mark? That's just adjusted for time value, using % fair basis
[2016-07-12 17:19:45] ggwp : smoker: haha but it affects everyone, not only terrorists. I'd like to get a feel for how privacy-concious the community here is.
[2016-07-12 17:20:04] elmorte : Fair Value = Indicative Settlement Price * % Fair Basis * (Days Until Expiry / 365)
[2016-07-12 17:20:11] elmorte : from: https://www.bitmex.com/app/fairPriceMarking
[2016-07-12 17:24:57] johndoe : ggwp: sometimes people who have good reason to be privacy-conscious usually wouldn't want to get into detail about the fact that they are privacy-conscious or why they are privacy-conscious since that threatens their privacy :)
[2016-07-12 17:25:22] ggwp : johndoe: great point there
[2016-07-12 17:25:24] smoker : ggwp: soon it will be: sir u cant have that,sir we will tax u on that, sir we will take that from u lol
[2016-07-12 17:25:46] ggwp : smoker: already like that in some countries
[2016-07-12 17:26:29] ggwp : alright guys, gotta go. See ya later
[2016-07-12 17:26:49] johndoe : ggwp: see you soon
[2016-07-12 17:26:54] elmorte : Laters
[2016-07-12 17:27:17] elmorte : Same here, got an early morning
[2016-07-12 17:28:02] elmorte : Peace out, infidels! Happy trading :)
[2016-07-12 17:36:14] johndoe : cya
[2016-07-12 18:29:42] justinlooking : smells like 700-705
[2016-07-12 18:36:16] smoker : smells like they are just waiting for u to short so it goes higher later lol
[2016-07-12 18:37:05] French_Canadian : eth dead?
[2016-07-12 18:37:51] smoker : ded?
[2016-07-12 19:00:10] mrp1nk : yeah seems so
[2016-07-12 19:55:10] mrp1nk : ia
[2016-07-12 19:55:12] mrp1nk : another
[2016-07-12 19:55:40] mrp1nk : sorry: another btc push could push it to dETH
[2016-07-12 19:56:43] aethlios : When we hit new ATH then the real party begins....
[2016-07-12 19:57:52] solesituation : how can you fetch Chart (XBJ24H
[2016-07-12 19:58:57] solesituation : i meant how can you fetch it on trading view.
[2016-07-12 19:59:21] BitMEX_Sam : solesituation: Unfortunately you can't, they are not listing any new Bitcoin products for some time.
[2016-07-12 19:59:25] BitMEX_Sam : You can get a fullscreen chart at https://www.bitmex.com/app/chart?symbol=XBJ24H
[2016-07-12 20:26:44] solesituation : BitMEX_Sam: Thank you.
[2016-07-12 20:32:44] yerb : BitMEX_Sam: coul you make an option to customize the plus/minus buttons and make a total of 6 of them
[2016-07-12 20:33:03] yerb : so we can put in our own incremen values
[2016-07-12 20:41:51] justinlooking : somewhat related, i see derpy behavour when trying to type in price
[2016-07-12 20:46:40] justinlooking : if u bksp the cents from a price (eg remove 49 from 674.49), the cursor jumps to beginning of the price
[2016-07-12 20:47:18] fineregex : yes
[2016-07-12 20:48:21] justinlooking : so if u in a rush, u change price, tab, enter, enter (or tab tab enter enter to sell) in a perfect storm u could get roughly caressed
[2016-07-12 20:49:43] rullwull : mentioned it...yea, it can create troubles
[2016-07-12 21:02:37] BitMEX_Sam : Thanks, I'm going to make sure that gets fixed
[2016-07-12 21:02:40] BitMEX_Sam : That's a new regression
[2016-07-12 21:07:21] BTCDJS : BitMEX_Sam: did I get skipped during funding?
[2016-07-12 21:07:36] BitMEX_Sam : Funding is in 7 hours
[2016-07-12 21:07:54] BitMEX_Sam : See your trade history: https://www.bitmex.com/app/tradeHistory
[2016-07-12 21:08:00] BTCDJS : My unrealised PNL is the same as before an hour ago
[2016-07-12 21:08:14] BitMEX_Sam : Funding doesn't affect unrealised PNL
[2016-07-12 21:08:18] BitMEX_Sam : It affects realised PNL.
[2016-07-12 21:09:02] BTCDJS : But you know what I mean right?
[2016-07-12 21:09:29] BitMEX_Sam : Was my explanation not clear?
[2016-07-12 21:09:43] BTCDJS : it usually adds that to my margin then starts from zero again
[2016-07-12 21:09:54] BitMEX_Sam : You're thinking of rebalance.
[2016-07-12 21:10:00] BitMEX_Sam : Funding goes directly to realised PNL.
[2016-07-12 21:10:27] BitMEX_Sam : It just so happens that rebalance & funding are at the same time once a day.
[2016-07-12 21:11:10] BTCDJS : Ok
[2016-07-12 21:21:53] Agro : where does bitmex operate? i'm based in the usa, cant seem to trade
[2016-07-12 21:23:46] justinlooking : muh liberty right?
[2016-07-12 21:33:40] mrp1nk : here we go eth
[2016-07-12 21:34:43] justinlooking : ?u mean btc?
[2016-07-12 21:42:54] BitMEX_Sam : Agro: We're incorporated in the Seychelles
[2016-07-12 21:44:11] Agro : ah, i see. i've been snooping around on the website, and i think i can trade in hk?
[2016-07-12 21:52:25] mrp1nk : justinlooking: i mean btceth
[2016-07-12 21:56:07] rullwull : Agro: there is no verification, why you can't trade?
[2016-07-12 21:57:18] Agro : well, on the register page, it says i can't deposit http://i.imgur.com/PCMpFb5.png
[2016-07-12 21:58:29] rullwull : oh shit, didn't know about limitation for us, use vpn
[2016-07-12 21:59:17] Agro : yeah, i guess i've gotta do that.. still, would i be able to transfer from a us bank acc
[2016-07-12 21:59:50] rullwull : there is no fiat, only crypto
[2016-07-12 21:59:55] Agro : ah
[2016-07-12 22:00:05] Agro : i have to deposit with btc/eth or something then?
[2016-07-12 22:00:06] rullwull : actually only bitcoins
[2016-07-12 22:00:20] Agro : i see, would i be able to transfer from something like coinbase
[2016-07-12 22:00:43] Agro : does bitmex give a btc address i can deposit to or somethin
[2016-07-12 22:00:57] rullwull : yes
[2016-07-12 22:01:09] Agro : alright, awesome
[2016-07-12 22:01:19] rullwull : i can give you mine)
[2016-07-12 22:01:58] BitMEX_Sam : Agro: We do not support US residents - if we find you are using a VPN to register we will be forced to close your account and send your deposit back.
[2016-07-12 22:02:11] Agro : ah
[2016-07-12 22:02:18] aethlios : BitMEX_Sam: Hi Sam, I was thinking of a new swap BTC to Gold, perpetual, very innovative and useful, it will make headlines.
[2016-07-12 22:03:51] rullwull : BitMEX_Sam: what if i use vpn, but I'm not us resident?
[2016-07-12 22:04:44] BitMEX_Sam : That's different. The action is only taken if we determine the account is owned by a US resident.
[2016-07-12 22:05:46] Agro : hmm, would it be ok if i traded under an institution that isn't based in the usa or something? is there any other way i could do this
[2016-07-12 22:06:01] rullwull : how can you determine? its impossible if always use vpn
[2016-07-12 22:07:29] rullwull : and what if i travel in us, can i trade from us?
[2016-07-12 22:08:24] BitMEX_Sam : Unfortunately I can't comment further.
[2016-07-12 22:12:15] wurstgelee : its easy. just dont be in the us
[2016-07-12 22:12:18] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-07-12 22:13:52] rullwull : i already got an idea of smart contract app that can register an accounts for us customers and trade for them)
[2016-07-12 22:15:14] Adura : You're trying to get the US on the case of sites like this?
[2016-07-12 22:22:17] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBJ24H`: Buy 999 @ 70415.0
[2016-07-12 22:24:38] lockhedge : Bitfinex found a way to rely on the exception to the CFTC’s jurisdiction after this case http://www.cftc.gov/PressRoom/PressReleases/pr7380-16 they can still accept US customers after they found a way for "actual delivery" via BitGo's MultiSig wallets
[2016-07-12 22:40:07] 1QaZxSw2 : rullwull: guys please dont attract regulators attracion. if bitmex learns you are a us resident they have no choice but to shut your account
[2016-07-12 22:41:05] 1QaZxSw2 : if yoy use vpn, no exchange can determine your origin with certainty simply due to that fact
[2016-07-12 22:41:46] 1QaZxSw2 : but if they do find out some way .... they have two choices: close your account or be raped by us regulators
[2016-07-12 22:42:14] 1QaZxSw2 : guess what the will choose?
[2016-07-12 22:42:20] rullwull : 1QaZxSw2: sure, i won't) just surprised that there is such an issue
[2016-07-12 22:43:21] 1QaZxSw2 : but bitmex wont intentionally go examining every user and investigate them, they have too much sh!t to do
[2016-07-12 22:43:59] rullwull : so simply do not ask questions and use vpn)
[2016-07-12 22:45:05] 1QaZxSw2 : so ... this is my advice, not bitmex's ... if you want to go with vpn, no one will know ... but dont go asking on public forums and expect someone to say: yes, its cool just use vpn ... no exchange person can say it
[2016-07-12 22:47:05] rullwull : i understand it very well, just kidding)
[2016-07-12 22:56:10] justinlooking : okc cny orders not confirming :(
[2016-07-12 22:56:29] justinlooking : shenanigans
[2016-07-12 23:05:19] BitMEX_Sam : rullwull: justinlooking: I have a fix for that input bug, turns out it's a Blink (Chrome/Opera) bug
[2016-07-12 23:05:27] BitMEX_Sam : ... My favorite.
[2016-07-12 23:05:44] BitMEX_Sam : Tracking issue is https://github.com/facebook/react/issues/7253, in the meantime I have something I will deploy that hacks around it
[2016-07-12 23:06:18] rullwull : okc cny do not confirm orders for us customers)
[2016-07-12 23:06:32] rullwull : BitMEX_Sam: thanks
[2016-07-12 23:10:12] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : BitMEX_Sam: Glad to hear that's being fixed. I was experiencing it and hadn't been bothered enough yet to say anything
[2016-07-12 23:10:29] BitMEX_Sam : Yeah it's a pretty bad one actually. Must have come in the latest Chrome update
[2016-07-12 23:10:40] BitMEX_Sam : Technically it affects *everyone* using number inputs with React in Chrome/Opera
[2016-07-12 23:12:03] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : BitMEX_Sam: Wow that is bad. I had another question about funding rates
[2016-07-12 23:13:28] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : It seems to me that the original goal with them was to reflect the cost of funding at Bitfinex. However, once the premium started to become "too high" here, they were reduced dramatically by weighting them with the premium. Recently it seems this has resulted in negative funding rates more often than positive ones, which does not mirror the Bitfinex funding cost. Any thoughts on this?
[2016-07-12 23:14:15] rullwull : BitMEX_Sam: i have it in safari, however in github you mentioned it as unaffected browsers
[2016-07-12 23:14:26] BitMEX_Sam : Odd, I couldn't reproduce it in Safari
[2016-07-12 23:14:40] BitMEX_Sam : https://jsfiddle.net/kmqz6kw8/ ?
[2016-07-12 23:14:46] BitMEX_Sam : & Which Safari version?
[2016-07-12 23:14:56] BitMEX_Sam : IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb: I actually have some thoughts I just wrote about that
[2016-07-12 23:15:15] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : BitMEX_Sam: I missed them. Are tney on the blog?
[2016-07-12 23:15:17] BitMEX_Sam : https://www.reddit.com/r/BitcoinMarkets/comments/4sf3zp/daily_discussion_tuesday_july_12_2016/d59l9ym
[2016-07-12 23:15:22] rullwull : 9.1.1
[2016-07-12 23:15:32] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : BitMEX_Sam: Great, thanks for the link
[2016-07-12 23:15:44] aethlios : when we make new ATH I will open a dom perignon!!
[2016-07-12 23:15:50] BitMEX_Sam : Hmm, on 9.1 here.
[2016-07-12 23:17:16] rullwull : yes, if i input new numbers after the dot they appear in front of all other numbers
[2016-07-12 23:20:24] wotan : nice one btc
[2016-07-12 23:21:15] justinlooking : would be great if price up/down arrow keys had acceleration
[2016-07-12 23:21:42] justinlooking : or better, could use ctrl+shift modifiers to increment by different amounts
[2016-07-12 23:24:28] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : BitMEX_Sam: So to clarify the funding rates here are actually not supposed to reflect Bitfinex funding rates as stated in the "Earning Interest Income on XBTUSD with Minimised Risk" blog post? "If the USD rate is greater than the Bitcoin rate, sellers of XBTUSD will receive daily Bitcoin interest income." I understand that you had to do something to keep the premium more reasonable but the reaction to a high premium seems to have pushed things too far the other way.
[2016-07-12 23:28:28] BitMEX_Sam : Wally could elaborate more, but there's moe details on exactly how it works at the Swaps Guide (https://www.bitmex.com/app/swapsGuide#premium-index)
[2016-07-12 23:28:53] BitMEX_Arthur : IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb: Basically the swap's funding rate makes sure that where we mark positions is where the product is actually trading
[2016-07-12 23:29:10] BitMEX_Arthur : If the market is in a discount the swap needs to reflect that via the funding rate
[2016-07-12 23:47:59] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : I think I may not have been communicating well. I understand how it works currently. However, `XBTUSD` does not currently trade as it was initially advertised. 47% of the last 38 funding rates were negative, while `.USDBON24H` has **never** been below `.XBTBON24H` in the past 2 months. `XBTUSD` was advertised as a lower risk way to capture the Bitfinex USD funding rate than lending on Bitfinex itself. In the past 12 days for example, the average funding rate has been 0.0024%, or about 0.09% total for that period. Per `.USDBON24H`, lending on Bitfinex during that same period would have netted about 0.77%, about **8.5 times more**. It seems to me like either the previous advertising should be updated to reflect that XBTUSD can no longer be used to capture BFX funding rates or the contract sshould be modified to support the claims made about how it can be used.
[2016-07-12 23:54:26] BitMEX_Arthur : XBTUSD is meant to be a leveraged product that tracks spot Bitcoin. Over the past two months shorts have received a total of 17.4% in interest payments which is vastly higher than bfx. This is because the leverage offered is much greater on XBTUSD.
[2016-07-12 23:54:42] aethlios : order rejected: value of position exceed risk limit. What I do??
[2016-07-12 23:56:23] BitMEX_Sam : aethlios: Contract us directly via support@bitmex.com, we'll talk about raising it
[2016-07-12 23:56:52] aethlios : BitMEX_Sam: I will make a ticket.
[2016-07-13 00:01:27] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : BitMEX_Arthur: Fair enough, as long as it is clear what the goal is. Could you explain though how the percentage of interest payments is affected by leverage? As I see it, as long as the price is close to spot, the interest rate is the interest rate no matter how leveraged traders are.
[2016-07-13 00:11:28] BitMEX_Wally : IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb: Interest is charged the same irrespective of leverage
[2016-07-13 00:12:08] BitMEX_Wally : However the interest rate has been high as a result of the high premium caused by high leverage
[2016-07-13 00:12:38] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : BitMEX_Wally: Ah ok, thanks for clarifying
[2016-07-13 00:57:59] nip : why are the liquidation orders so far from market price yet the dpe is 0%
[2016-07-13 00:59:07] rapidtrades : there are no liqs atm
[2016-07-13 00:59:37] nip : must have been buggy orders were red on my screen
[2016-07-13 01:16:13] rapidtrades : People’s Bank of China sets yuan reference rate at 6.6891 (vs. yesterday at 6.6950)
[2016-07-13 01:16:25] rapidtrades : small yuan strengthening
[2016-07-13 01:17:12] rapidtrades : offshore and onshore yuan now trading at same price
[2016-07-13 01:20:35] subjective : BitMEX_Wally: Do u get fee discount when i refer a user?
[2016-07-13 01:22:29] BitMEX_Wally : subjective: If you refer someone they get 10% discount for 6 months, and you get up to a 20% cut of any trading fees they pay
[2016-07-13 01:26:44] rapidtrades : i never got a discount afaik
[2016-07-13 01:28:37] nip : BitMEX_Wally: why are the china A50 fees much higher than every other contract?
[2016-07-13 01:29:22] BitMEX_Wally : Because it's an equity access product
[2016-07-13 01:29:54] nip : doesnt seem like a good reason to me
[2016-07-13 01:31:33] nip : noone trades it and these are all "access products" in a sense
[2016-07-13 01:31:35] rapidtrades : no knee-jerk dump? last few days we got small pumps
[2016-07-13 01:39:40] BitMEX_Wally : lockhedge: Glad to see you testing out Pegged orders via the API
[2016-07-13 01:42:07] BitMEX_Wally : With ordType: Pegged you do not send a price, because the price is calculated from the peg offset.
[2016-07-13 01:42:53] BitMEX_Wally : At the moment the peg is not updated after order submission, but in the future we will support this
[2016-07-13 01:43:06] lockhedge : BitMEX_Wally: is it not possible to set a limit price, a max. bid / min. ask price?
[2016-07-13 01:44:30] BitMEX_Wally : lockhedge: Not yet, but once we support automatically updating the pegged price we will have a limit price
[2016-07-13 01:45:53] BitMEX_Wally : I need to update the order table to distinguish between the limit price on the order and the price it is currently resting in the order book at
[2016-07-13 01:47:44] lockhedge : ok, great. spread will probably get tighter if this feature is being supported, and you'll save api calls
[2016-07-13 01:48:08] BitMEX_Wally : Yep :)
[2016-07-13 01:52:04] micmix : BitMEX_Wally: does MidPricePeg mean middle of the orderbook?
[2016-07-13 01:57:46] BitMEX_Wally : Yes
[2016-07-13 01:58:27] BitMEX_Wally : At the moment the peg is calculated on order submission only, once it is updated live then MidPricePeg will have to ignore its own orders otherwise there'll be a feedback loop
[2016-07-13 01:58:34] BitMEX_Wally : Or it will have to be hidden or something
[2016-07-13 02:05:16] micmix : yes, I understand. pegs are super nice to have but they are not so useful without the limit price
[2016-07-13 02:05:56] BitMEX_Wally : That's why we haven't announced Pegged orders yet
[2016-07-13 02:06:40] micmix : will you support amending the limit price on pegged orders?
[2016-07-13 02:07:35] BitMEX_Wally : Yes
[2016-07-13 02:07:40] micmix : sweet
[2016-07-13 02:08:30] BitMEX_Wally : We currently leg you amend the pegOffsetValue of a trailing stop, so we'll probably let you amend the pegOffsetValue and limit price of a pegged order
[2016-07-13 02:08:37] micmix : no more racing lockhedge to improve the price by 1 tick :wink:
[2016-07-13 02:08:42] BitMEX_Wally : Hahah
[2016-07-13 02:10:19] lockhedge : we'll just send Wally our limit prices and he will decide who is at the top of the book in less than 1ms :)
[2016-07-13 02:11:14] micmix : that's nice, I won't have to cancel orders at all if I can amend the pegOffsetValue and limit price of a pegged order
[2016-07-13 02:11:14] BitMEX_Wally : If you both submit orders to increase the bid by 1 tick, then I'll have to short-cut to the other guy's limit price plus 1 tick :)
[2016-07-13 02:12:15] micmix : nah, I'll just run small size MM with 1 tick spread
[2016-07-13 02:13:42] micmix : so you'll need an option to ignore bids/asks smaller than some specified size
[2016-07-13 02:14:49] BitMEX_Wally : Maybe I'll let you peg to impactBidPrice too
[2016-07-13 02:15:10] micmix : I would really like that
[2016-07-13 02:15:34] micmix : otherwise anyone could manipulate pegged orders with 1 contract order
[2016-07-13 02:16:29] lockhedge : yes, would be great if we could define the impact notional
[2016-07-13 02:17:37] lockhedge : or set a minimum size for the PrimaryPeg as micmix proposed
[2016-07-13 02:28:10] zanza : bernie sanders meltdown!
[2016-07-13 03:05:03] rapidtrades : zanza: what
[2016-07-13 03:06:37] rapidtrades : zanza: did u cover ur oil on that pump?
[2016-07-13 03:23:38] zanza : hey
[2016-07-13 03:23:43] zanza : luckily i woke and and it was up
[2016-07-13 03:23:57] zanza : im up a bit still holding nerviously
[2016-07-13 03:24:10] zanza : i was down like almost 2 BTC yesterday
[2016-07-13 03:24:14] zanza : on the drop
[2016-07-13 03:24:31] zanza : SNP and WTI have been kind of mirroring eachother, but they decoupled lately
[2016-07-13 03:29:28] Rado : zanza: where do you trade oil?
[2016-07-13 03:29:41] zanza : 1broker and also
[2016-07-13 03:29:45] zanza : myfxchoice
[2016-07-13 03:29:52] Rado : Thanks
[2016-07-13 03:30:02] Rado : Did you check whaleclub?
[2016-07-13 03:30:21] zanza : i checked out, seems like really high fees if I remember
[2016-07-13 03:30:34] zanza : what do you think about it ?
[2016-07-13 03:30:56] Rado : Created an account, but haven't used it
[2016-07-13 03:31:37] zanza : seems kind of buckety imo also
[2016-07-13 03:32:12] Rado : Which one is better, 1brojer or myfx?
[2016-07-13 03:32:21] Rado : 1broker
[2016-07-13 03:32:53] zanza : well, probably myfx has lower fees and MT4
[2016-07-13 03:33:10] zanza : 1broker has clunky interface, but seems ok
[2016-07-13 03:33:32] Rado : Cool
[2016-07-13 03:33:43] zanza : i went long on this latest gold dip also (nervous)
[2016-07-13 03:33:54] zanza : 5 hours ago
[2016-07-13 03:34:02] Rado : Stop orders man
[2016-07-13 03:34:34] Rado : When I was trading stocks and option in the past I was very stressed
[2016-07-13 03:34:47] Rado : I did not use stopps back then
[2016-07-13 03:35:09] Rado : Since I trade crypto I use stopmorder on every trade
[2016-07-13 03:35:29] zanza : i just try to play with lower leverage
[2016-07-13 03:35:37] Rado : My blood presutre is 80/120
[2016-07-13 03:35:38] zanza : i feel like stop makes your vulnerable to get hunted
[2016-07-13 03:35:41] zanza : lol :)
[2016-07-13 03:35:49] zanza : yeah, know that feel
[2016-07-13 03:35:58] Rado : I know how you feel
[2016-07-13 03:36:08] Rado : But it's not true
[2016-07-13 03:36:46] Rado : I am convinced that is the only way to trade
[2016-07-13 04:01:03] rapidtrades : Japan PM Abe adviser Hamada says helicopter money a risky gamble
[2016-07-13 04:01:13] rapidtrades : LOL@market
[2016-07-13 04:10:26] boolander : the level of jackassery is mind-boggling @-@
[2016-07-13 04:16:02] rapidtrades : the market is now front-running its own wet dreams
[2016-07-13 04:17:10] boolander : ell o elling
[2016-07-13 04:18:31] rapidtrades : boolander: still in that yen trade?
[2016-07-13 04:19:41] boolander : yes - i enjoy pain
[2016-07-13 04:19:47] boolander : but, look at the 1m
[2016-07-13 04:20:52] rapidtrades : yeah long-term charts are still bearish
[2016-07-13 04:21:27] rapidtrades : if its just a bump to normal QE it shouldn't be a huge move....followed by complete reversal
[2016-07-13 04:21:44] rapidtrades : last time it went up around 1,500 pips
[2016-07-13 04:21:47] boolander : and i'm struggling to find any legit article supporting "heli-money"
[2016-07-13 04:22:06] rapidtrades : exactly...that's the only reason im still in
[2016-07-13 04:22:25] rapidtrades : it's lietrally just Ben visit stoking speculation
[2016-07-13 04:22:27] boolander : feels like trial balloons all around
[2016-07-13 04:22:31] boolander : YES
[2016-07-13 04:22:48] boolander : takes some focus off EU problems
[2016-07-13 04:23:12] rapidtrades : u short e/j or u/j?
[2016-07-13 04:24:23] rapidtrades : if we go by diminishing QE returns with each round, this move should be <1,500 pips in worst case scenario....maybe around 1,000
[2016-07-13 05:08:18] aethlios : bottom, next stop 705.
[2016-07-13 05:10:08] zanza : so the Yen crashing is from Helicopter money expectations ?
[2016-07-13 05:57:30] rapidtrades : looks like it
[2016-07-13 05:57:51] Rado : How much did it fall?
[2016-07-13 05:59:52] macios15 : It looks like we're having some internal issues.
[2016-07-13 05:59:57] macios15 : wtf
[2016-07-13 06:00:17] Rado : What issues?
[2016-07-13 06:02:23] macios15 : ok it works now
[2016-07-13 06:02:48] zanza : rado about 400 pips in the past 2 days
[2016-07-13 06:03:46] Rado : Thanks zanza
[2016-07-13 06:04:04] macios15 : i still cant enter my position with numeric keyboard sth wrong with site
[2016-07-13 06:04:07] Rado : I created account with 1broker
[2016-07-13 06:04:21] Rado : Will send 1 btc
[2016-07-13 06:04:41] Rado : To try some fx and oil, gold trading
[2016-07-13 06:08:14] macios15 : https://scr.hu/y9BY8r
[2016-07-13 06:09:02] macios15 : BitMEX_Wally: u there?
[2016-07-13 06:12:17] zanza : Rado, dont over 10x leverage imo
[2016-07-13 06:16:41] Rado : K
[2016-07-13 06:19:44] BitMEX_Wally : macios15: Hello
[2016-07-13 06:32:18] rapidtrades : forex sites are hyping the china trade balance due in 30 mins
[2016-07-13 06:32:24] BitMEX_Wally : macios15: Please reload the page in your browser. We fixed an issue earlier
[2016-07-13 06:32:31] rapidtrades : could see soome yuan moves
[2016-07-13 07:12:27] rapidtrades : we're seeing some weakening in yuan
[2016-07-13 07:13:10] rapidtrades : very volatile day today for usd/cnh
[2016-07-13 07:24:28] seafvasvsdvasvasdv : 666-time!
[2016-07-13 07:33:48] fineregex : BitMEX_Wally: since 1-2 days i get the serenity
[2016-07-13 07:34:07] fineregex : *sentry
[2016-07-13 07:34:19] fineregex : BitMEX_Wally: on every second click. Maybe switch it off/make it less verbose?
[2016-07-13 07:34:41] fineregex : i mean the bug report popup
[2016-07-13 07:35:42] fineregex : seafvasvsdvasvasdv: why
[2016-07-13 07:39:49] fineregex : Rado: dont use oil on 1broker, crazy spread and expires regularily. Others things there are cheaper like indices/forex. consider using my link https://1broker.com/m/r.php?i=6217
[2016-07-13 07:42:29] fineregex : seafvasvsdvasvasdv:hmmm $666.66 so bitcoin is evil? or evil tries to make you sell?
[2016-07-13 07:55:31] rapidtrades : yen pairs look ready to rollover
[2016-07-13 07:55:42] rapidtrades : ....and hopefully DIE
[2016-07-13 07:58:56] rapidtrades : yuan still weakening
[2016-07-13 08:32:15] blackwhite : I saw something about Quoine here. Does bitmex partner with them for Xbj liquidity or what?
[2016-07-13 08:33:17] rapidtrades : maybe......what's it to you?
[2016-07-13 08:45:42] BitMEX_Arthur : blackwhite: We partnered with Quoine to launch XBJ24H
[2016-07-13 08:45:52] BitMEX_Arthur : They are offering the product direct to their Japanese clients
[2016-07-13 08:47:37] rapidtrades : BitMEX_Arthur: what do u think about the yen
[2016-07-13 08:54:10] BitMEX_Arthur : helicopter money = yen 120
[2016-07-13 09:00:54] rapidtrades : BitMEX_Arthur: http://news.forexlive.com/!/japan-pm-abe-adviser-hamada-says-helicopter-money-a-risky-gamble-20160713
[2016-07-13 09:09:06] BitMEX_Arthur : Risky for sure but they have no other options at this point
[2016-07-13 09:09:20] BitMEX_Arthur : they have no more bonds or equities to buy
[2016-07-13 09:10:27] rapidtrades : right but the stimulus they're talking about is only 100-200b...that compares to yearly buying of 700-800b
[2016-07-13 09:10:46] rapidtrades : numbers don't add up to substantially weaker yen
[2016-07-13 09:12:00] rapidtrades : 'they' abe's advisers....we haven't heard anything official at this point
[2016-07-13 09:15:29] rapidtrades : Japan's Abe says he has ordered government to do all possible to reach nominal 3% GDP growth
[2016-07-13 09:15:33] rapidtrades : here we go ^^^
[2016-07-13 09:16:05] rapidtrades : f*cker finally opened this mouth
[2016-07-13 09:16:14] BitMEX_Arthur : link?
[2016-07-13 09:17:14] rapidtrades : just this http://news.forexlive.com/!/japans-abe-says-he-has-ordered-government-all-possible-to-reach-20160713
[2016-07-13 09:17:24] rapidtrades : it's developing, speaking now prolly
[2016-07-13 09:25:08] zanza : FX is not responding
[2016-07-13 09:26:39] rapidtrades : jap stocks up 0.3% tho...
[2016-07-13 09:27:04] rapidtrades : god equity investors are dumb man
[2016-07-13 09:27:52] zanza : this fx news was priced in
[2016-07-13 09:28:15] zanza : rumor is ben travelled to japan from USA in a helicopter
[2016-07-13 09:29:11] rapidtrades : I just find all this mind boggling...it's like one big joke
[2016-07-13 09:33:41] rapidtrades : they also sharply slashed inflation and growth forecasts for the year....post-election of course
[2016-07-13 09:34:06] rapidtrades : if a company did that it would be under SEC investigation
[2016-07-13 09:42:51] rapidtrades : 70 pips move higher in yen pairs....looks like it wasn't priced in lol
[2016-07-13 09:43:25] rapidtrades : abe should've went with 10%.....these idiots would've bought that too
[2016-07-13 09:46:36] rapidtrades : Abe: Guyz I wants 3% GDP, *snaps fingers
[2016-07-13 09:48:07] rapidtrades : u know i rarely go against the trend but this whole thing is ridiculous
[2016-07-13 09:51:24] rapidtrades : bunch of jap news past hour here http://www.forexlive.com/
[2016-07-13 09:55:08] wotan : when the money system crash it will be hard and bad and most people are far away to be prepared of it
[2016-07-13 10:04:20] rapidtrades : jap emperor wants to abdicate now lol
[2016-07-13 10:06:00] rapidtrades : wtf is going on lol....this is like watching one of those weird jap game shows on youtube
[2016-07-13 11:08:15] subjective : BitMEX_Arthur: are there any plan to deposit other currency like ETH as collateral?
[2016-07-13 12:05:43] macios15 : and fucking again
[2016-07-13 12:05:44] macios15 : It looks like we're having some internal issues.
[2016-07-13 12:10:47] sabaisabai : hello , im new here , i wanted to know ... 1BTC = 1XBT ???