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[2016-07-11 20:28:20] BitMEX_Sam : fineregex: Use the Trade History if you want to go farther back
[2016-07-11 20:28:40] QuantFocus : BitMEX_Wally: sure sure. just a touch difficult when trading multiple instruments with various margin requirements
[2016-07-11 20:28:58] BitMEX_Wally : We are working on adding a what-if calculator that will help simplify this
[2016-07-11 20:28:59] QuantFocus : i can aggregate them, but still curious on the ultimate impact on my margin call price
[2016-07-11 20:29:42] QuantFocus : look forward to seeing that. trying to manage my risk appropriately
[2016-07-11 20:30:30] BitMEX_Wally : If you are on cross margin for a position then the liquidation price is calculated by assuming all other prices stay the same, what price must this position go to to lose all that
[2016-07-11 20:31:09] QuantFocus : BitMEX_Wally: but it doesn't incorporate the impact of open orders filling, correct?
[2016-07-11 20:31:17] QuantFocus : only the current position
[2016-07-11 20:31:29] BitMEX_Wally : If you have an open order it locks out 2% (say) initial margin
[2016-07-11 20:31:34] BitMEX_Wally : When the order is filled, that position then locks out 2%
[2016-07-11 20:31:52] BitMEX_Wally : So the available balance does not change by it being filled
[2016-07-11 20:32:28] Rado : BTC really stuck
[2016-07-11 20:32:34] QuantFocus : oh, that's great. so is it safe to say that a displayed margin call price already includes the open orders?
[2016-07-11 20:32:54] BitMEX_Wally : Yes
[2016-07-11 20:33:03] QuantFocus : perfect, thanks much :smile:
[2016-07-11 20:33:04] jung1 : Rado: will eth hold 16?
[2016-07-11 20:33:19] Rado : I don't think so
[2016-07-11 20:33:31] Rado : my bot is short sonI am biased :)
[2016-07-11 20:34:29] jung1 : BitMEX_Wally: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J4KhPcZ9QLY great feature with moving order by hand on chart
[2016-07-11 20:34:39] jung1 : consider it!
[2016-07-11 20:49:48] jung1 : well bulls fighting on eth
[2016-07-11 20:56:55] fineregex : jung1: USD 5million short orders to close on bitfinex alone
[2016-07-11 21:03:51] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETHXBT`: Buy 13 @ 0.01630
[2016-07-11 21:04:40] jung1 : breakout?
[2016-07-11 21:13:55] Roevenger : china doesn't agree
[2016-07-11 21:14:19] jung1 : http://i.imgur.com/MJln5C1.png
[2016-07-11 21:14:59] Roevenger : 0.0055 lol
[2016-07-11 21:15:11] Roevenger : there will be people dying because of this
[2016-07-11 21:15:29] jung1 : I love the blood on the markets
[2016-07-11 21:15:42] jung1 : unless its mine
[2016-07-11 21:31:50] Tetsuo : BUY ALL THE CRYPTO! TO THE OORT CLOUD!
[2016-07-11 21:32:41] fineregex : jung1: who made the picture
[2016-07-11 21:33:14] Mr Blue : What you guys thinking about this pennant indication?
[2016-07-11 21:36:03] Mr Blue : http://www.marketwatch.com/story/why-bitcoin-is-on-the-verge-of-a-breakout-in-one-chart-2016-07-11
[2016-07-11 21:42:44] odieoh : 15 min BBands squeezing up on finex
[2016-07-11 21:42:56] odieoh : Something's gonna give up or down
[2016-07-11 21:44:03] Mr Blue : odieoh: good been too stable for my liking last few hours
[2016-07-11 22:11:51] REKT : Liquidated long on `FCTXBT`: Sell 40 @ 0.002168
[2016-07-11 22:17:15] odieoh : mr blue I agree. Trouble's a brewing for somebody. Hopefully not me.
[2016-07-11 22:23:38] jung1 : fineregex: I found it on reddit
[2016-07-11 22:24:14] jung1 : Hmm looks like eth want to change trend
[2016-07-11 23:00:14] rapidtrades : oh good 15 min charts
[2016-07-11 23:01:15] rapidtrades : anyone trading fx here
[2016-07-11 23:06:50] ggwp : smells like moontime
[2016-07-11 23:08:57] jung1 : Btc?
[2016-07-11 23:10:15] ggwp : yeah
[2016-07-11 23:10:29] ggwp : unless china pulling our legs - again
[2016-07-11 23:18:39] Roevenger : I think the problem is lack of buyers mixed with uncertainty. It's almost like the market is waiting for some news piece to react
[2016-07-11 23:19:48] ggwp : sexy fractal
[2016-07-11 23:19:55] ggwp : important one too
[2016-07-11 23:20:05] ggwp : high tf
[2016-07-11 23:20:14] ggwp : tell me if you find it ;)
[2016-07-11 23:20:23] ggwp : hint: ron
[2016-07-11 23:20:44] boolander : apart from more leverage. shouldn't the new marginal buyers already have pushed btc to moon?
[2016-07-11 23:20:55] boolander : don't forget. people are broke
[2016-07-11 23:21:06] boolander : putting $700 in bitcoin or paying your rent is real
[2016-07-11 23:29:08] boolander : but, i'm probably wrong. some other catalyst will push btc to the ATHs
[2016-07-11 23:29:30] boolander : alien invasion
[2016-07-11 23:32:23] rapidtrades : boolander: so about that yen...
[2016-07-11 23:33:31] aethlios : a lot of articles at seekingalpha.com for btc,
[2016-07-11 23:35:03] rapidtrades : noone cares
[2016-07-11 23:35:10] rapidtrades : everyone knows about bitcoin
[2016-07-11 23:35:48] rapidtrades : well everyone on the internet
[2016-07-11 23:36:56] Roevenger : not really, people ignore it
[2016-07-11 23:37:22] Roevenger : I say that because in 2009 I saw a few news about it and I completely ignored it
[2016-07-11 23:40:42] rapidtrades : then they'll ignore it
[2016-07-11 23:41:28] boolander : JPY nice moves on, yet again, more stimulus. this was all the fast-money front-running the actual announcement cause like pavlov's dogs that's all they know
[2016-07-11 23:42:12] boolander : not to say kuroda-san and the bernanke can't do one final currency destruction hoo-rah
[2016-07-11 23:48:13] rapidtrades : that stimulus is fiscal not monetary tho, why should the yen weaken
[2016-07-11 23:50:03] rapidtrades : noone is talking about this, i've been f5 forex sites all day and everyone is pretending not to see today's giant move in the yen
[2016-07-11 23:50:42] aethlios : Yes all deep pockets know btc, buffet, gates etc. but don't buy yet. I guess the elite will buy all together or noone. But smart money already drived gold 30% up in 2016. (silver, btc also)
[2016-07-11 23:51:18] rapidtrades : how do u know its 'smart money'
[2016-07-11 23:51:25] rapidtrades : maybe its just panicked money
[2016-07-11 23:52:01] rapidtrades : was the smart money in government bonds for the past 30 years?
[2016-07-11 23:53:05] aethlios : rapidtrades: that's why they are smart, they panic first watching 10 year bund and 10 year Japanese bond negative. All old bonds are reinvested in negative yields.
[2016-07-11 23:53:49] aethlios : when you have 1 billion and negative bond rates where you go to keep having that billion??
[2016-07-11 23:54:03] rapidtrades : bonds
[2016-07-11 23:54:45] rapidtrades : US bonds are still positive
[2016-07-11 23:55:56] rapidtrades : besides gold has costs for trading or storage that will likely offset the small hit from negative rates
[2016-07-11 23:56:36] rapidtrades : if u want to long gold, u pay carry...if u want to buy physical there are storage and securty costs
[2016-07-11 23:58:22] rapidtrades : even CHF bonds are not a bad deal if u think the currency will appreciate more then the negative rate
[2016-07-11 23:59:24] aethlios : rapidtrades: 5 year bund -0.65%, what if -2% or -3%? also in order to find positive yield you go very long term. gold has since 1971 a 8.3% nominal return, so you can cover a deposit box cost of 400 usd per year in a swiss bank.
[2016-07-11 23:59:56] rapidtrades : that's simply not true, gold per annum is closer to 3%
[2016-07-12 00:00:02] aethlios : BTC has no storage fees at least.
[2016-07-12 00:00:14] rapidtrades : btc could half over night
[2016-07-12 00:01:04] rapidtrades : historically even 6 month treasury bills were a better investment then gold
[2016-07-12 00:01:44] rapidtrades : back when rates and inflation weren't at 0
[2016-07-12 00:03:06] rapidtrades : i have a hard time believing this is the end for QQQQQQEE123456789 because I've been hearing that story since 2009
[2016-07-12 00:03:36] aethlios : rapidtrades: from 35 usd to 1370 usd in 45 years is 3% annual??
[2016-07-12 00:04:32] rapidtrades : it's prolly factoring in inflation
[2016-07-12 00:04:39] rapidtrades : lemme check
[2016-07-12 00:06:23] Rado : sup guys
[2016-07-12 00:06:42] Rado : back and I see it's the same as when I left 8 hr ago
[2016-07-12 00:07:04] rapidtrades : yea its shit
[2016-07-12 00:07:43] odieoh : Its the same as when you left 28 hours ago as well
[2016-07-12 00:08:34] Rado : lol
[2016-07-12 00:08:44] Rado : I made a couple of scalps
[2016-07-12 00:08:47] odieoh : Bitcoin is trolling us all; it will now become the world's most stable currency, trading between 647-650 forever
[2016-07-12 00:08:58] Rado : he he
[2016-07-12 00:09:37] Rado : “We don’t know who will take responsibility for reducing Japanese government debt” - Mitsubishi Research Institute.
[2016-07-12 00:11:23] rapidtrades : aethlios: 3% is real, nominal was over 7%
[2016-07-12 00:12:14] rapidtrades : also TIPS not 6-month bills were a better investment then gold
[2016-07-12 00:13:49] aethlios : rapidtrades: we talk nominal, dow 830 to 18220 with C.B. pumping a 6.8% annual yield, +2% dividend then 8.8%, but dow in ATH, if count gold ATH in 2011 had a 10% annually compounted return.
[2016-07-12 00:14:30] rapidtrades : like i said nominal is over 7%
[2016-07-12 00:15:46] aethlios : I am long 5.000 eth in bitmex and short 5000 eth in finex earning 0.5% to 1% daily interest, I hope for a down move to 0.005 to keep the discount.
[2016-07-12 00:15:58] Rado : how much is BTC from 2009 to 2016?
[2016-07-12 00:16:20] rapidtrades : idk over 10,000%?
[2016-07-12 00:16:29] rapidtrades : a million?
[2016-07-12 00:16:37] rapidtrades : it started from 0 so
[2016-07-12 00:16:39] aethlios : infinite
[2016-07-12 00:17:16] rapidtrades : prolly over 6000% if we take 0.01 as a starting point
[2016-07-12 00:18:05] aethlios : rapidtrades: you math is wrong, 6,5 mil %
[2016-07-12 00:18:10] rapidtrades : 2010 or 2011 would be a better starting point imo
[2016-07-12 00:18:54] rapidtrades : it would be hilarious if yen reversed everything today..i would LOL so hard
[2016-07-12 00:19:21] Rado : Venezuela Seizes Local Kimberly-Clark Factory
[2016-07-12 00:19:38] rapidtrades : wtf....i thought they had a more normal gov now
[2016-07-12 00:19:50] rapidtrades : guess the commies still have the presidency
[2016-07-12 00:20:28] aethlios : any gragh of btc/bolivar price??
[2016-07-12 00:22:58] Rado : lol, that will be funny
[2016-07-12 00:24:27] rapidtrades : from 0.83 to $648 77972%
[2016-07-12 00:25:04] rapidtrades : how much is that per annum since 2011
[2016-07-12 00:25:48] Rado : http://fx-rate.net/VEB/BTC/
[2016-07-12 00:26:29] Rado : http://fx-rate.net/BTC/VEB/#graph
[2016-07-12 00:26:53] Rado : from 22 to 71000
[2016-07-12 00:28:15] jung1 : damn
[2016-07-12 00:30:49] jung1 : there will be some sidewalk on eth
[2016-07-12 00:30:56] jung1 : 16 seems unbreakable
[2016-07-12 00:30:57] rapidtrades : a sharp chinese deval to stick it to the japs?
[2016-07-12 00:31:05] rapidtrades : one can hope :)
[2016-07-12 00:31:34] Rado : jung1: 2H BB band opened up now so there is space to fall now
[2016-07-12 00:31:42] rapidtrades : oh good
[2016-07-12 00:31:46] rapidtrades : the 2h chart
[2016-07-12 00:32:27] Rado : My bot trades on the 2H tick
[2016-07-12 00:32:38] Rado : that's why I am following it
[2016-07-12 00:32:39] rapidtrades : im sure it does
[2016-07-12 00:33:03] Rado : I tested all periods and this gave me the best results for some reason
[2016-07-12 00:33:18] Rado : 4h was also OK
[2016-07-12 00:33:19] rapidtrades : best results since when
[2016-07-12 00:33:29] Rado : since Jan 2016
[2016-07-12 00:34:17] rapidtrades : pffft
[2016-07-12 00:34:38] rapidtrades : u mean a 2h chart gave u good results during a strong bull market
[2016-07-12 00:34:41] rapidtrades : u don't say
[2016-07-12 00:35:15] Rado : it made the best profit since the downtrend from 0.034
[2016-07-12 00:35:28] rapidtrades : oh eth
[2016-07-12 00:35:43] Rado : 2016-07-11 17:00 Current balance: 21.15568206 BTC | Initial balance: 1.00000000 2016-07-11 17:00 Buy and Hold (P/L): 640.43% 2016-07-11 17:00 Bot (P/L): 2015.57%
[2016-07-12 00:35:59] rapidtrades : :)
[2016-07-12 00:36:25] Rado : not bad for my first bot
[2016-07-12 00:36:31] Rado : working on two more
[2016-07-12 00:36:33] Rado : one is BTC
[2016-07-12 00:36:38] Rado : but to lazy
[2016-07-12 00:36:52] Rado : only spending a few hours per week
[2016-07-12 00:37:21] rapidtrades : those are the figure for the historical backtest tho right
[2016-07-12 00:37:53] Rado : right
[2016-07-12 00:38:10] Rado : here is live
[2016-07-12 00:38:12] Rado : 2016-07-11 16:55 RADO Poloniex: Current position: -220.78512791 ETH @0.01618351 2016-07-11 16:55 RADO Poloniex: Unrealized P/L: 0.45% 2016-07-11 16:55 RADO Poloniex: Buy and Hold (P/L): -22.69% 2016-07-11 16:55 RADO Poloniex: Bot (P/L): 76.87%
[2016-07-12 00:38:15] rapidtrades : what type of system is it
[2016-07-12 00:38:24] rapidtrades : momentum or counter
[2016-07-12 00:38:35] Rado : momentum
[2016-07-12 00:38:53] rapidtrades : test it further back
[2016-07-12 00:39:22] Rado : when did ETH start?
[2016-07-12 00:39:39] rapidtrades : idk but u can test it on btc too
[2016-07-12 00:40:10] Rado : for some reason doesn't work good on BTC
[2016-07-12 00:40:17] rapidtrades : right
[2016-07-12 00:40:22] Rado : that is why I am creating a separate strategy for BTC
[2016-07-12 00:40:40] rapidtrades : that reason is eth had a huge rally then crash then another rally then another crash
[2016-07-12 00:41:00] rapidtrades : unprecedented volatility which will not last imo
[2016-07-12 00:41:06] Rado : yes
[2016-07-12 00:41:12] Rado : agree
[2016-07-12 00:41:30] Rado : will switch to LSK ;-)
[2016-07-12 00:41:46] Rado : but I am sure I can make on for BTC
[2016-07-12 00:42:00] Rado : will be way shorter period
[2016-07-12 00:42:02] rapidtrades : not on 2h charts
[2016-07-12 00:42:06] Rado : like 5 min or even 1 min tick
[2016-07-12 00:42:06] rapidtrades : nope
[2016-07-12 00:42:17] rapidtrades : not unless its market making
[2016-07-12 00:42:27] Rado : what do you think?
[2016-07-12 00:42:37] Rado : 30 min?
[2016-07-12 00:42:52] rapidtrades : momentum works better on longer charts, lower charts are better for mean reversion
[2016-07-12 00:43:25] rapidtrades : i doubt a 2h system will work for a long time on anything
[2016-07-12 00:44:30] rapidtrades : momentum system to be exact
[2016-07-12 00:44:58] Rado : right
[2016-07-12 00:45:13] Rado : why do you think 5 min will not work
[2016-07-12 00:45:16] Rado : commisions?
[2016-07-12 00:45:34] rapidtrades : also if u have a system that works well on what pair but not on others, u are likely curve fitting
[2016-07-12 00:45:54] rapidtrades : Rado: yes, that's a major factor because a momentum system will take liquidity
[2016-07-12 00:47:22] Rado : I was thinking the BTC bot to combine volume and technical indicators and only take a position when certain things are met
[2016-07-12 00:48:51] Rado : my first 5 min try was not very profitable
[2016-07-12 00:49:15] Rado : I think commissions of 0.2% ate 90% of the profit
[2016-07-12 00:49:43] Rado : so it needs bigger trends
[2016-07-12 00:51:08] Rado : Japanese Savers Flood Into Gold Fearing The Endgame Is Coming
[2016-07-12 00:53:16] Rado : later rapidtrades
[2016-07-12 00:53:25] Rado : good luck o n your Yen trades
[2016-07-12 00:53:38] rapidtrades : Rado: ahahaha, too late for luck but thanks
[2016-07-12 00:53:42] rapidtrades : im roadkill
[2016-07-12 00:54:38] Rado : look at this chart rapidtrades
[2016-07-12 00:54:39] Rado : https://twitter.com/zerohedge/status/752666803256557568
[2016-07-12 00:57:53] rapidtrades : good old zh :)
[2016-07-12 01:06:00] jung1 : eth already hi 16 five times
[2016-07-12 01:06:03] jung1 : hit
[2016-07-12 01:13:25] rapidtrades : Japan PM Abe is said to be meeting with Bernanke in Tokyo today
[2016-07-12 01:13:40] rapidtrades : LOOOOOL yen down 0.5% on that...and it was known before hand
[2016-07-12 01:13:49] rapidtrades : market is NUTS right now NU
[2016-07-12 01:13:53] rapidtrades : TS
[2016-07-12 01:16:00] rapidtrades : PBOC sets USD/CNY central rate at 6.6950 (vs. yesterday at 6.6843)
[2016-07-12 01:16:06] rapidtrades : not bad, a small weakening
[2016-07-12 01:16:24] rapidtrades : stops the trend of stability anyway
[2016-07-12 01:19:19] boolander : clockwork - pump after the fix
[2016-07-12 01:19:34] rapidtrades : yep
[2016-07-12 01:19:40] boolander : ssdd
[2016-07-12 01:20:06] rapidtrades : once 6.70 breaks there will be more volatility
[2016-07-12 01:20:16] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBJ24H`: Buy 8100 @ 66758.0
[2016-07-12 01:21:54] rapidtrades : weak yuan only thing supporting bitcoin right now
[2016-07-12 01:22:44] Roevenger : okcoin tried to push this one
[2016-07-12 01:22:58] Roevenger : oh lol, I can't mention that
[2016-07-12 01:23:01] aethlios : right now no weak yan effect with okcoin futures in discount to finex (west)
[2016-07-12 01:24:23] rapidtrades : aethlios: 1USD=6.6494CNY okc rate is much lower then market
[2016-07-12 01:24:39] Rado : rapidtrades: the same trend as yesterday
[2016-07-12 01:24:50] aethlios : funny thing is stronger dollar>yuan devalues>btc pumps in china>arb drives btcusd pair up and btc appreciates to usd. So stronger dollar=stronger btc.
[2016-07-12 01:24:50] Rado : when the PBOC released BTC jumped
[2016-07-12 01:24:54] rapidtrades : artificially depresses yuan portion in the index @aethlios
[2016-07-12 01:25:06] Rado : yesterday it gave all gains back
[2016-07-12 01:25:41] rapidtrades : yeah we'll have to break away from 6.70 to make the gains stick imo
[2016-07-12 01:28:36] rapidtrades : no reason for china to stop deval with the market attention elsewhere
[2016-07-12 01:32:59] boolander : when pump fail.
[2016-07-12 01:34:17] Rado : gave it all back
[2016-07-12 01:34:22] Rado : really quick
[2016-07-12 01:35:21] boolander : dude ran it all the way up toe 4370 - saw no pokemon and ran back
[2016-07-12 01:36:20] Roevenger : probably someone using pokemon go to trade
[2016-07-12 01:37:14] jung1 : IM thinking of close my short on eth
[2016-07-12 01:39:22] Rado : jung1: don't do it :-)
[2016-07-12 01:41:46] Rado : Coincheck Becomes First Japanese Exchange To Support Lisk
[2016-07-12 01:44:18] jung1 : nice
[2016-07-12 01:44:41] jung1 : Rado: what your bot says about closing this eth short?
[2016-07-12 01:46:03] Rado : If it doesn't fall further I think the bot will close in the next two ticks
[2016-07-12 01:46:07] Rado : that's 4 hours
[2016-07-12 01:50:12] jung1 : I dont know
[2016-07-12 01:50:41] jung1 : maybe I will close it and short right before that dao thing
[2016-07-12 01:50:44] rapidtrades : u gotta be pretty retarded to sell the yen based on bernark visit
[2016-07-12 01:51:33] rapidtrades : oh hey we're back at 648
[2016-07-12 01:51:44] boolander : pavlovian algo's
[2016-07-12 01:55:04] rapidtrades : yen pairs have to reverse strongly at some point
[2016-07-12 01:55:06] jack : Hey!
[2016-07-12 01:55:24] rapidtrades : too far too fast on speculation...not even news of monetary easing
[2016-07-12 01:57:08] rapidtrades : this move is on par with QQE2 back in 2014....and without a single comment from the boj
[2016-07-12 02:05:47] Roevenger : http://cointelegraph.com/news/developer-claims-ethereum-is-stolen-intellectual-property-files-complaints-with-fbi
[2016-07-12 02:05:51] Roevenger : lol
[2016-07-12 02:08:06] jung1 : nice
[2016-07-12 02:09:56] jung1 : mo money mo problems
[2016-07-12 02:12:22] ggwp : http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/the-debate-rages-on-are-blockchains-in-crisis_us_5783e63ee4b0f06648f57df2
[2016-07-12 02:12:54] ggwp : jung1: jakas pozycje masz btc obecnie?
[2016-07-12 02:15:35] jung1 : narazie czekam z szortem na eth
[2016-07-12 02:16:03] ggwp : całą noc?
[2016-07-12 02:16:07] ggwp : :D
[2016-07-12 02:16:45] ggwp : dobra ja sie zwijam -- żegnam
[2016-07-12 02:32:44] QuantFocus : will we really have to wait until the 14th for some action?
[2016-07-12 02:38:50] jung1 : hard to say
[2016-07-12 02:39:27] jung1 : but after that I put buy orders at $6
[2016-07-12 02:59:32] QuantFocus : so you're bullish?
[2016-07-12 03:26:01] rapidtrades : It appears from comments around the place today that the only thing Abe has ordered so far is his lunch with Bernanke
[2016-07-12 03:26:12] rapidtrades : http://news.forexlive.com/!/japan-fin-min-aso-will-consider-stimulus-package-as-soon-as-abe-orders-it-20160712 WTF
[2016-07-12 04:02:38] sizzurp : funding options?
[2016-07-12 04:21:28] zanza : thats why USEJPY spiked
[2016-07-12 04:24:14] rapidtrades : yeah Abe is lunching with ben right now
[2016-07-12 04:24:26] rapidtrades : could be some srs dumpage if we don't get more details soon
[2016-07-12 04:24:36] rapidtrades : sounds like jap hot air atm
[2016-07-12 04:56:31] daveberns1 : Booolish?
[2016-07-12 04:56:36] daveberns1 : That's cray folks
[2016-07-12 07:09:30] elmorte : Resilient ETH...
[2016-07-12 07:11:19] aethlios : Kuroda PRINT MOOOOOOOORE.
[2016-07-12 07:32:01] jung1 : elmorte: yeah
[2016-07-12 07:32:27] jung1 : Im going to worry about my short
[2016-07-12 07:35:54] elmorte : I'd like to collect some of that funding cash
[2016-07-12 07:36:52] elmorte : but 16 is still too high imo
[2016-07-12 07:45:21] jung1 : Hmm
[2016-07-12 07:45:27] jung1 : Strange
[2016-07-12 07:45:46] jung1 : Thought that we will break 16 easly
[2016-07-12 07:48:21] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETHXBT`: Buy 705 @ 0.01638
[2016-07-12 07:48:44] Jj4REAL : "short of the year"
[2016-07-12 07:49:29] Jj4REAL : most crowded trade of the month more like
[2016-07-12 07:50:58] smoker : is rekt user or someone got rekt?
[2016-07-12 07:51:35] jung1 : someone has
[2016-07-12 07:52:58] jung1 : last call to short befor 11mln from dao will be on market
[2016-07-12 07:53:26] smoker : so today is dumpfest on eth?
[2016-07-12 07:53:41] jung1 : 14
[2016-07-12 07:54:08] smoker : ah ok, i stopped following it because its a mess haha
[2016-07-12 07:54:18] jung1 : yeah
[2016-07-12 07:59:20] elmorte : /r/ethtrader with conflicting opinions about the 'flood'
[2016-07-12 07:59:29] elmorte : jung1: where does it say it's hitting the market today?
[2016-07-12 07:59:57] jung1 : well it was first date
[2016-07-12 08:04:09] aethlios : http://www.investing.com/news/economy-news/japan-government-may-issue-construction-bonds-to-fund-stimulus:-economy-minister-413789
[2016-07-12 08:05:52] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETHXBT`: Buy 250 @ 0.01646
[2016-07-12 08:05:52] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETHXBT`: Buy 30 @ 0.01646
[2016-07-12 08:20:19] zanza : im in a losing oil long now
[2016-07-12 08:20:49] zanza : flood?
[2016-07-12 08:40:58] Mr Blue : Morning traders, haha I shit my self checked Bitcoin price when I woke up and it's dropped £7 but yet the $ price hasn't moved luckily enough as was thinking my yen contracts could of been liquidated, turns out they sold at a profit, weird bloody Fiat markets
[2016-07-12 08:51:14] Mr Blue : How the £ got stronger against the Bitcoin I've no idea lol
[2016-07-12 08:53:52] Jovis : why not. gbpusd is up >2% the last 24 hours, whereas btcusd hasn't moved a bit
[2016-07-12 08:57:28] Mr Blue : Jovis: must of gained some strength back against after breakfast
[2016-07-12 08:58:17] Mr Blue : Brexit
[2016-07-12 08:58:40] Mr Blue : Damn Google keyboard lol
[2016-07-12 08:58:58] Mr Blue : Euro
[2016-07-12 09:20:37] Mr Blue : So what you guys thinking for today?? I'm feeling a little bearish
[2016-07-12 09:22:01] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBJ24H`: Buy 23060 @ 66872.0 **MEGA-REKT** :boom:
[2016-07-12 09:22:15] elmorte : I'm thinking pasta...unless the missus wants to cook
[2016-07-12 09:22:55] Mr Blue : elmorte: pasta hopefully not with Tuna lol
[2016-07-12 09:25:04] elmorte : No, of course not...some mayo too :p
[2016-07-12 09:26:06] Mr Blue : Enjoy your Fukushima mate
[2016-07-12 09:26:43] elmorte : Nah, we get the good stuff here, from Thailand
[2016-07-12 09:29:35] Mr Blue : elmorte: doesn't matter Fukushima is all over the northern hemisphere, I wish it stayed in Japan but the winds circulate the earth, anyways I'm been an ass I also eat Fukushima it's unascable
[2016-07-12 09:31:49] Mr Blue : But tuna spawn off of Japan, and they're dumping the majority of radiation in to the sea there so it's one I try keep away from lol
[2016-07-12 09:34:47] Mr Blue : Like you I once loved some tuna paste an mayo
[2016-07-12 09:35:35] Mr Blue : Pasta*
[2016-07-12 09:35:36] wotan : dman i get hungry:)
[2016-07-12 09:36:23] Mr Blue : wotan: same here think I might make some breakfast my self.
[2016-07-12 09:38:22] macios15 : shorts gona rekt
[2016-07-12 09:39:01] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBJ24H`: Buy 6040 @ 67419.0
[2016-07-12 09:39:14] smoker : haha rekt
[2016-07-12 09:39:32] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 2222 @ 655.69
[2016-07-12 09:39:32] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 1 @ 655.67 :punch: :whale:
[2016-07-12 09:42:25] macios15 : are we out of triangle now?
[2016-07-12 09:43:18] Jovis : no..
[2016-07-12 09:43:29] wotan : nice candle
[2016-07-12 09:43:34] Mr Blue : macios15: 665 / 670 could be the next stop
[2016-07-12 09:46:00] elmorte : I don't know @Mr Blue...we're kinda below the pacific migratory area of tuna. You're probably more likely to get mercury poisoning
[2016-07-12 09:46:15] wotan : lets do this 666 and then fly over 666.66 cmon btc
[2016-07-12 09:46:21] rullwull : I'm expecting 620 or below before the next wave up starts, it may happen till the end of this week
[2016-07-12 09:46:57] macios15 : more up incoming i think
[2016-07-12 09:47:31] Mr Blue : elmorte: what do you mean they travel from Japan to the USA and back, radiation is been leaked / pumped in to the sea at that location
[2016-07-12 09:49:46] elmorte : That area does not intersect my area anywhere
[2016-07-12 09:50:35] Mr Blue : dilution really isn't the solution, but at least they've added the genetically modified algae to the sea lol
[2016-07-12 09:51:06] Mr Blue : elmorte: where is your area? And you still get tuna from Fukushima lol
[2016-07-12 09:52:20] Mr Blue : Maybe this was all planned in advance, why else would the Japs start freezing tuna in long term storage like ten years ago
[2016-07-12 09:52:31] elmorte : I told you we get our tuna from Thailand. Probably skipjack or bonito...
[2016-07-12 09:53:09] elmorte : lol....they had excess from all the whaling 'experiments'?
[2016-07-12 09:53:48] wotan : Mr Blue most big things are planed longterm agree in this case i dont have specific infos but in many others its totally clear
[2016-07-12 09:55:12] Mr Blue : wotan: cool +1
[2016-07-12 09:55:57] Mr Blue : elmorte: it's still the pacific ocean and tuna migrate sir
[2016-07-12 09:56:33] smoker : is there a sound notification on this site when trade goes?
[2016-07-12 09:56:50] elmorte : yes, a balloon pop
[2016-07-12 09:57:11] elmorte : Mr Blue: well, I'll take my Geiger counter to the can and report back
[2016-07-12 09:57:22] smoker : i see baloon but sound?
[2016-07-12 09:57:25] elmorte : What's the healthy threshold?
[2016-07-12 09:57:39] elmorte : it's the sound of a balloon popping
[2016-07-12 09:57:53] Mr Blue : elmorte: well the gulf of Thailand
[2016-07-12 09:58:01] elmorte : or no, wait...it's the newspaper shuffle sound
[2016-07-12 09:58:06] smoker : so baloon pooped already? :)
[2016-07-12 09:58:26] Mr Blue : elmorte: that would be very cool of you, when did you buy it?? The new ones are set to shit
[2016-07-12 10:01:52] Mr Blue : When they make new ones I'm guessing they set them to government safe levels, seen as that's been increased by 1000% since Fukushima I wouldn't trust the new ones, their is no safe amount of true hot particles
[2016-07-12 10:01:56] elmorte : I found one scubadiving on a ship sunk in lat e 19th century...
[2016-07-12 10:02:41] elmorte : I just microwaved it to dry...should be as good as new
[2016-07-12 10:02:44] Mr Blue : elmorte: very cool and it still works?
[2016-07-12 10:02:56] elmorte : I'm still alive...
[2016-07-12 10:03:20] Mr Blue : elmorte: you microwaved metal?? I gotta call bullshit
[2016-07-12 10:03:32] elmorte : Took you a while :p
[2016-07-12 10:04:39] Mr Blue : elmorte: well you said you have a boat, so wasn't so far out to believe you dive shipwrecks
[2016-07-12 10:05:07] elmorte : They didn't have Geiger counters in 19th century :p
[2016-07-12 10:05:29] Mr Blue : elmorte: you said late 19th century
[2016-07-12 10:05:36] Mr Blue : And they did lol
[2016-07-12 10:06:31] elmorte : Actually, not till 20th
[2016-07-12 10:06:39] Mr Blue : I assumed you found it like 80s / 90s
[2016-07-12 10:07:01] elmorte : So....19th century starts in 1801
[2016-07-12 10:09:26] Mr Blue : A century is 100 years, the 19 hundreds was the 19th century depending on what calendar you use.
[2016-07-12 10:10:11] Mr Blue : We reached the 20th century in 2000.. though the Earth and our species is much older
[2016-07-12 10:11:25] Mr Blue : As far as I can tell the first Geiger counter was invented 1908
[2016-07-12 10:11:28] elmorte : I didn't say 19 hundreds...I specifically said late 19th century...which is up to 31.12.1900 and not a day more
[2016-07-12 10:12:10] johndoe : mr blue, we reached the 21st century in 2000
[2016-07-12 10:12:14] johndoe : right now is the 21st century
[2016-07-12 10:12:38] johndoe : you know, like 20th century FOX was started before 2000
[2016-07-12 10:14:19] Mr Blue : You said late 19th century, but ye I still made a mistake
[2016-07-12 10:14:33] elmorte : And the reason I picked that date was that a) it was before all the nuclear tests you might bring up and b) the geiger counter wasn't invented yet :p
[2016-07-12 10:14:57] johndoe : elmorte said late 19th century which means 1850-1900, not 1908
[2016-07-12 10:15:00] Mr Blue : johndoe: I know where in the 21st century was a brain fart
[2016-07-12 10:15:09] johndoe : the 1st century was not 100-200 - it was 0-100
[2016-07-12 10:15:17] johndoe : okay
[2016-07-12 10:15:17] elmorte : 1-100 technically...
[2016-07-12 10:15:21] Roevenger : another fake breakout? the volume on this one was something different...
[2016-07-12 10:15:33] johndoe : yah, 1-100
[2016-07-12 10:15:35] elmorte : 1.1.1-31.12.100
[2016-07-12 10:15:41] Mr Blue : johndoe: true but he wouldn't be that old anyways, and at first I wasn't taking him for a lier so didn't catch that one
[2016-07-12 10:16:00] elmorte : The shipwreck could be that old :)
[2016-07-12 10:17:15] Mr Blue : In any event, we know the government is always 50 years ahead, they probably did have the early ones in the 19th century seen as it was made public 1908
[2016-07-12 10:18:10] johndoe : nah, the gov. only became 50 years ahead after Roswell
[2016-07-12 10:18:16] johndoe : ;)
[2016-07-12 10:18:39] Mr Blue : Not that it would be any use, like I said I assumed he meant 1980s + didn't catch the sarcasm
[2016-07-12 10:19:28] johndoe : okay
[2016-07-12 10:19:50] Mr Blue : johndoe: or maybe after the boost they got from German scientists ?
[2016-07-12 10:20:17] johndoe : true
[2016-07-12 10:20:32] elmorte : Not to attack you in any way bud...but would it be too much of a stretch to say you believe too much of what you read @Mr Blue ?
[2016-07-12 10:21:57] Mr Blue : elmorte: yes it would be too much, as I only believe a small % of what I read online, cover ups and the elites I've researched alot
[2016-07-12 10:22:19] elmorte : alright, my bad then
[2016-07-12 10:23:17] johndoe : i've spent lots of time in Thailand and am familiar with SE asian geography and i'd say that those waters are pretty safe from fukushima
[2016-07-12 10:23:30] johndoe : gulf of thailand and indian ocean i mean
[2016-07-12 10:27:28] Mr Blue : johndoe: it's all connected, but ye does look pretty clean from Google maps, depends on the ocean currents I guess, but Tuna do migrate
[2016-07-12 10:27:51] subjective : has BTC break out of triangle yet? doesn't seem to be fully committed yet
[2016-07-12 10:28:23] Mr Blue : You only need to research effects of Chernobyl to see Fukushima is going to hit us hard
[2016-07-12 10:28:26] johndoe : it's also true that where im living (NE thailand) there are many fish farms in ponds, for better or worse. but i don't know anything about tuna.
[2016-07-12 10:29:08] johndoe : subjective: depends which triangle. it broke one, but there's another close by here
[2016-07-12 10:29:44] johndoe : lol, so far off-subject
[2016-07-12 10:30:06] Mr Blue : johndoe: yes I now eat Alaskan polak it's a white fish so goes well for fish and chips, + it's from fresh water likes in Alaska not that the rain doesn't still get them
[2016-07-12 10:31:48] Mr Blue : elmorte: where cool mate, I was only playing with you because was a strong chance you was having tuna with that pasta lol, you got me back anyways ?
[2016-07-12 10:32:57] Mr Blue : Lakes**
[2016-07-12 10:33:11] subjective : johndoe: probably 662 would confirm a break
[2016-07-12 10:33:50] johndoe : yah, 662.60 on bitfinex
[2016-07-12 10:34:05] johndoe : i'm currently short fwiw
[2016-07-12 10:34:35] subjective : johndoe: i am short as well, for a small size for fun
[2016-07-12 10:34:47] johndoe : just got short about 45min ago near the high, but i got long-term longs in another exchange
[2016-07-12 10:35:01] johndoe : yah i'm just day-trading for fun too basically
[2016-07-12 10:35:10] subjective : johndoe: i am waiting for clear signal to switch to buy..
[2016-07-12 10:35:36] subjective : same, fun size waiting for a good entry for buy
[2016-07-12 10:36:02] elmorte : johndoe: use any local exchanges?
[2016-07-12 10:36:29] johndoe : yah, coins.co.th is the best - although it is not an exchange per se
[2016-07-12 10:36:49] elmorte : more like instantaneous trade?
[2016-07-12 10:36:58] johndoe : just lets you buy and sell via thai bank accounts + some ATM card-less withdrawals if you are a thai citizen
[2016-07-12 10:37:11] johndoe : used to be foreigner as well, but now just Thai for that specific withdrawal type
[2016-07-12 10:37:27] elmorte : Ah, they have a debit card?
[2016-07-12 10:37:49] johndoe : yah, check their site, they have a buy/sell rate on front page. sometimes they have some great arbitrage opportunities
[2016-07-12 10:38:13] johndoe : sometimes they pay way too much for your BTC during a big down move - they are sometimes slow to catch up with the market price
[2016-07-12 10:38:27] elmorte : Cool. Just curious...I'm down south in Malaysia, just wanted to compare experiences
[2016-07-12 10:38:42] elmorte : Yeah, major latency between the world and local market here...
[2016-07-12 10:38:56] subjective : johndoe: are you waiting for a buy entry point?
[2016-07-12 10:39:08] johndoe : they got like 20 different withdrawal methods - mobile apps, traditional banking, card-less ATM passcodes method, pay off local credit cards, pay off local phone bills, etc.
[2016-07-12 10:39:29] elmorte : That's some next level stuff for SEA
[2016-07-12 10:39:52] johndoe : yah, so much more free here - love thailand sometimes
[2016-07-12 10:39:58] johndoe : USA sucks for banking
[2016-07-12 10:39:58] elmorte : :)
[2016-07-12 10:40:12] elmorte : Didn't they have a ban on BTC sometime ago though?
[2016-07-12 10:40:20] elmorte : Then again, they had a ban on MMA as well...
[2016-07-12 10:40:45] johndoe : subjective: not exactly - i might cut a little if it breaks the high from an hour ago, but yah, looking at 662 basically
[2016-07-12 10:41:21] johndoe : elmorte: yah the ban was never enforced, and the bank of thailand withdrew it a few months later
[2016-07-12 10:41:26] johndoe : they just didn't understand btc i think
[2016-07-12 10:41:57] subjective : johndoe: i am waiting for 600-620 to close short, or switch when it breaks 662
[2016-07-12 10:42:03] johndoe : thai gov. is one of the most likely govs in the world to not enforce a law or order
[2016-07-12 10:42:35] johndoe : subjective: yah i got limit orders to close my position gradually starting around 640 down to 612ish
[2016-07-12 10:43:00] elmorte : it's such a fascinating culture/system for an outsider
[2016-07-12 10:43:00] subjective : not a bad way to go to slowly get out
[2016-07-12 10:43:25] elmorte : I loved Fear & Loathing in Bangkok, dunno if you read it
[2016-07-12 10:43:33] johndoe : elmorte: yah, nowadays they have MMA pretty often. they get the US matches and local matches
[2016-07-12 10:43:51] elmorte : Yeah, ONE FC had a major event just in May
[2016-07-12 10:43:56] johndoe : elmorte: nah, haven't read that one, but i saw the cover - i got to asia books a lot :)
[2016-07-12 10:44:08] johndoe : go to*
[2016-07-12 10:45:21] johndoe : elmorte: the culture is definitely unique - for better or worse. But i like it overall.
[2016-07-12 10:46:10] johndoe : subjective: yah, slowly getting out spreads your positions like a dollar-cost averaging strategy
[2016-07-12 10:47:34] johndoe : subjective: i try to place them pretty specifically based near critical support areas as well as several points below to catch "falling knife" liquidation orders and panic selling
[2016-07-12 10:48:54] elmorte : johndoe: which charts do you use to deduce support areas?
[2016-07-12 10:49:25] subjective : johndoe: that is a good strategy
[2016-07-12 10:50:01] johndoe : well usually bitfinex as my default, but sometimes you gotta check bitstamp and okcoin's btcusd for specific USD points because this exchange is based on those 3 prices.
[2016-07-12 10:50:27] johndoe : i also check the cnyusd okcoin/huobi price to get a better feel
[2016-07-12 10:50:39] johndoe : chinese prices almost always lead usd prices by a second or two
[2016-07-12 10:50:53] johndoe : and have more volume so you get more reliable support/resistance areas
[2016-07-12 10:52:34] johndoe : more of an art than a science though - a lot of it just feeling the market and this exchange in particular. basically i just have a few tabs open and i rapidly switch between this page and ok-coin's cnyusd and bitfinex's btcusd, to try to quickly find breaks and oversold/overbought short-term moments
[2016-07-12 10:53:03] elmorte : yeah, I found that following the Chinese prices real time was way more useful for scalping
[2016-07-12 10:53:05] johndoe : this exchange tends to get carried away because of high leverage, so you can catch those liquidation type orders - those are my favs
[2016-07-12 10:53:50] elmorte : liqdn order saved my ass last time we went under 600
[2016-07-12 10:55:19] johndoe : yah, i've kept a long-term buy-and-hold since about 420ish. so i just held on during that entire move down to 550
[2016-07-12 10:55:43] subjective : it overreacts with liquidation orders, i need to get on the right side.
[2016-07-12 10:55:46] elmorte : I was long at 640+....a horrible day that was :(
[2016-07-12 10:55:52] johndoe : but after bitfinex's last temp. shutdown, i came here and now have a lot more freedom to daytrade with great leverage
[2016-07-12 10:56:04] subjective : looks like it's going to break up now
[2016-07-12 10:56:24] johndoe : yah, i bought $10k at 655.42 a few mins ago
[2016-07-12 10:56:41] johndoe : but i'm not convinced totally, so still net short
[2016-07-12 11:00:30] subjective : yep, market haven't fully decided yet
[2016-07-12 11:02:34] elmorte : So....halving was a non-event so far?
[2016-07-12 11:02:46] elmorte : Hash rate is steady, even increasing...
[2016-07-12 11:02:56] Mr Blue : http://www.globalresearch.ca/28-signs-that-the-west-coast-is-being-absolutely-fried-with-nuclear-radiation-from-fukushima/5355280
[2016-07-12 11:03:46] elmorte : Switch to Mediterranean fish @Mr Blue
[2016-07-12 11:03:50] Mr Blue : Or for you financial guys that like Forbes http://www.globalresearch.ca/28-signs-that-the-west-coast-is-being-absolutely-fried-with-nuclear-radiation-from-fukushima/5355280
[2016-07-12 11:04:04] elmorte : Wrong link....
[2016-07-12 11:04:15] elmorte : But Forbes blog is not Forbes....
[2016-07-12 11:04:24] johndoe : elmorte: yeah, i thought hash rate would drop too. But it appears it didn't because mining equipment is still profitable in regards to electric costs, since they already paid for the mining equip.
[2016-07-12 11:04:26] Mr Blue : elmorte: http://www.forbes.com/sites/jeffmcmahon/2013/04/10/epa-draft-stirs-fears-of-radically-relaxed-radiation-guidelines/#5a5748f1ea2b
[2016-07-12 11:04:37] elmorte : Yeah, that's the blog @Mr Blue
[2016-07-12 11:04:53] subjective : wouldn't it be less risky if u always trade breakout.. less reward and risk
[2016-07-12 11:04:56] elmorte : johndoe: fair enough
[2016-07-12 11:05:21] elmorte : Lot of nonsense gets posted on Forbes' blogs...
[2016-07-12 11:06:11] johndoe : subjective: not necessarily because there are too many false breakouts.
[2016-07-12 11:06:37] Mr Blue : elmorte: your saying Forbes.com is a blog?? If so where can I post my rants lol
[2016-07-12 11:06:59] johndoe : subjective: often the reverse strategy is preferable - meaning being long for a long time and getting short on those long breakouts if we are in a consolidation period type of market
[2016-07-12 11:07:41] subjective : johndoe: great info
[2016-07-12 11:08:50] johndoe : subjective: yah, giving away my best strategies :)
[2016-07-12 11:08:56] subjective : order history swings on these fake outs..
[2016-07-12 11:09:15] Mr Blue : For example, the new EPA guide refers to International Atomic Energy Agency guidelines that suggest intervention is not necessary until drinking water is contaminated with radioactive iodine 131 at a concentration of 81,000 picocuries per liter. This is 27,000 times less stringent than the EPA rule of 3 picocuries per liter
[2016-07-12 11:09:42] subjective : it's like "omg, it's a break out", then "wait, hold your horses, it's fake", then repeat
[2016-07-12 11:09:50] Mr Blue : And I was just saying they increased it by 1000x to you guys lol,, 27k much worse lol
[2016-07-12 11:10:23] johndoe : yah, i've got many years of experience in that emotion :( took a long time to surpress it
[2016-07-12 11:11:52] subjective : johndoe: i know, i am pretty calm today, but also got in on the fake out as well. this needs discipline..
[2016-07-12 11:12:24] johndoe : Mr Blue: i can't say i have any idea whether the EPA is absurdly strict or not. These types of decisions are usually suspect and arbitrary - similar to protein consumption recommendations or carbs, etc, from the gov. in the past.
[2016-07-12 11:13:49] Mr Blue : johndoe: ye but if they just increase safe levels after nuclear disasters, how can we trust the gov and if nothing is wrong why do it
[2016-07-12 11:13:59] johndoe : subjective: yeah, i bought that $10k before as a kinda emotional response to the chinese exchanges' moves since this exchange and bitfinex hadn't reacted. i had too much leverage anyways so i don't mind too much even though its lower now.
[2016-07-12 11:16:04] johndoe : Mr Blue: i mean i've read plenty of stuff about fukushima - i get links in email like every week from my mom, lol. But i'm just not particularly convinced because i haven't seen any reputable orgs that i'm familiar with worry too much about it as a USA issue. I just really don't know, but i'm skeptical about this type of stuff, as well as chemtrails, etc.
[2016-07-12 11:17:10] Mr Blue : johndoe: since Fukushima how many dead seals / birds you seen??
[2016-07-12 11:17:33] johndoe : Mr Blue: uhm, you mean like in person?
[2016-07-12 11:17:45] Mr Blue : I would mention the whales but that could just be because our magnetic field is also fucked at the moment
[2016-07-12 11:18:26] Mr Blue : johndoe: ye I know you've been seeing few dead birds in person at least, as for the seals you see that on the news
[2016-07-12 11:19:43] johndoe : Mr Blue: well i live in thailand, but i honestly cannot recall seeing any dead birds when i've been at the beach in phuket/ko samui/pattaya since fukushima
[2016-07-12 11:22:49] Mr Blue : johndoe: beach doesn't matter Fukushima is also in the air
[2016-07-12 11:24:05] Mr Blue : I watch documentaries and seen them pull out bright blue coloured crabs from the pacific, shit isn't natural http://enenews.com/officials-report-rare-genetic-mutations-pacific-seafood-experts-never-anything-like-photos-show-red-crabs-completely-white-shockingly-bright-blue-almost-unnatural-yellow-legs-environment-coul
[2016-07-12 11:24:20] johndoe : can't say i have any scientific background the judge if it really has much of an impact. the ocean is absurdly gigantic as is the air - i'm just not sure radiation travels in the manner that other elements travel or that it would not be dissipated.
[2016-07-12 11:26:27] Mr Blue : johndoe: so your siding with the government thinking dilution is the solution, yet some radioactive elements will be floating around for over 10,000 years and more is released from Fukushima by the minute lol
[2016-07-12 11:27:14] Mr Blue : Anyways rant over as I really need to get back to trading lol
[2016-07-12 11:27:21] subjective : johndoe: do u trade on 0kcoin?