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[2016-07-11 20:25:34] BitMEX_Greg : It appears correct in the .csv downloadable file however if you want to check your fills there.
[2016-07-11 20:26:20] QuantFocus : BitMEX_Wally: is there a simple method to determine the impact of open orders on total balance, margin, and margin call price?
[2016-07-11 20:26:30] QuantFocus : if those orders were to be filled, that is
[2016-07-11 20:26:33] fineregex : BitMEX_Wally: yes "Fills is nicer than scrolling over 100 canceled orders in order history.
[2016-07-11 20:27:05] fineregex : BitMEX_Greg: Why dont they date back longer than 24 hours, at least when maximized or so
[2016-07-11 20:28:03] BitMEX_Wally : QuantFocus: If you are on 50x then when the order is filled 2% of the gross value of the position will be locked out of available balance
[2016-07-11 20:28:20] BitMEX_Sam : fineregex: Use the Trade History if you want to go farther back
[2016-07-11 20:28:40] QuantFocus : BitMEX_Wally: sure sure. just a touch difficult when trading multiple instruments with various margin requirements
[2016-07-11 20:28:58] BitMEX_Wally : We are working on adding a what-if calculator that will help simplify this
[2016-07-11 20:28:59] QuantFocus : i can aggregate them, but still curious on the ultimate impact on my margin call price
[2016-07-11 20:29:42] QuantFocus : look forward to seeing that. trying to manage my risk appropriately
[2016-07-11 20:30:30] BitMEX_Wally : If you are on cross margin for a position then the liquidation price is calculated by assuming all other prices stay the same, what price must this position go to to lose all that
[2016-07-11 20:31:09] QuantFocus : BitMEX_Wally: but it doesn't incorporate the impact of open orders filling, correct?
[2016-07-11 20:31:17] QuantFocus : only the current position
[2016-07-11 20:31:29] BitMEX_Wally : If you have an open order it locks out 2% (say) initial margin
[2016-07-11 20:31:34] BitMEX_Wally : When the order is filled, that position then locks out 2%
[2016-07-11 20:31:52] BitMEX_Wally : So the available balance does not change by it being filled
[2016-07-11 20:32:28] Rado : BTC really stuck
[2016-07-11 20:32:34] QuantFocus : oh, that's great. so is it safe to say that a displayed margin call price already includes the open orders?
[2016-07-11 20:32:54] BitMEX_Wally : Yes
[2016-07-11 20:33:03] QuantFocus : perfect, thanks much :smile:
[2016-07-11 20:33:04] jung1 : Rado: will eth hold 16?
[2016-07-11 20:33:19] Rado : I don't think so
[2016-07-11 20:33:31] Rado : my bot is short sonI am biased :)
[2016-07-11 20:34:29] jung1 : BitMEX_Wally: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J4KhPcZ9QLY great feature with moving order by hand on chart
[2016-07-11 20:34:39] jung1 : consider it!
[2016-07-11 20:49:48] jung1 : well bulls fighting on eth
[2016-07-11 20:56:55] fineregex : jung1: USD 5million short orders to close on bitfinex alone
[2016-07-11 21:03:51] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETHXBT`: Buy 13 @ 0.01630
[2016-07-11 21:04:40] jung1 : breakout?
[2016-07-11 21:13:55] Roevenger : china doesn't agree
[2016-07-11 21:14:19] jung1 : http://i.imgur.com/MJln5C1.png
[2016-07-11 21:14:59] Roevenger : 0.0055 lol
[2016-07-11 21:15:11] Roevenger : there will be people dying because of this
[2016-07-11 21:15:29] jung1 : I love the blood on the markets
[2016-07-11 21:15:42] jung1 : unless its mine
[2016-07-11 21:31:50] Tetsuo : BUY ALL THE CRYPTO! TO THE OORT CLOUD!
[2016-07-11 21:32:41] fineregex : jung1: who made the picture
[2016-07-11 21:33:14] Mr Blue : What you guys thinking about this pennant indication?
[2016-07-11 21:36:03] Mr Blue : http://www.marketwatch.com/story/why-bitcoin-is-on-the-verge-of-a-breakout-in-one-chart-2016-07-11
[2016-07-11 21:42:44] odieoh : 15 min BBands squeezing up on finex
[2016-07-11 21:42:56] odieoh : Something's gonna give up or down
[2016-07-11 21:44:03] Mr Blue : odieoh: good been too stable for my liking last few hours
[2016-07-11 22:11:51] REKT : Liquidated long on `FCTXBT`: Sell 40 @ 0.002168
[2016-07-11 22:17:15] odieoh : mr blue I agree. Trouble's a brewing for somebody. Hopefully not me.
[2016-07-11 22:23:38] jung1 : fineregex: I found it on reddit
[2016-07-11 22:24:14] jung1 : Hmm looks like eth want to change trend
[2016-07-11 23:00:14] rapidtrades : oh good 15 min charts
[2016-07-11 23:01:15] rapidtrades : anyone trading fx here
[2016-07-11 23:06:50] ggwp : smells like moontime
[2016-07-11 23:08:57] jung1 : Btc?
[2016-07-11 23:10:15] ggwp : yeah
[2016-07-11 23:10:29] ggwp : unless china pulling our legs - again
[2016-07-11 23:18:39] Roevenger : I think the problem is lack of buyers mixed with uncertainty. It's almost like the market is waiting for some news piece to react
[2016-07-11 23:19:48] ggwp : sexy fractal
[2016-07-11 23:19:55] ggwp : important one too
[2016-07-11 23:20:05] ggwp : high tf
[2016-07-11 23:20:14] ggwp : tell me if you find it ;)
[2016-07-11 23:20:23] ggwp : hint: ron
[2016-07-11 23:20:44] boolander : apart from more leverage. shouldn't the new marginal buyers already have pushed btc to moon?
[2016-07-11 23:20:55] boolander : don't forget. people are broke
[2016-07-11 23:21:06] boolander : putting $700 in bitcoin or paying your rent is real
[2016-07-11 23:29:08] boolander : but, i'm probably wrong. some other catalyst will push btc to the ATHs
[2016-07-11 23:29:30] boolander : alien invasion
[2016-07-11 23:32:23] rapidtrades : boolander: so about that yen...
[2016-07-11 23:33:31] aethlios : a lot of articles at seekingalpha.com for btc,
[2016-07-11 23:35:03] rapidtrades : noone cares
[2016-07-11 23:35:10] rapidtrades : everyone knows about bitcoin
[2016-07-11 23:35:48] rapidtrades : well everyone on the internet
[2016-07-11 23:36:56] Roevenger : not really, people ignore it
[2016-07-11 23:37:22] Roevenger : I say that because in 2009 I saw a few news about it and I completely ignored it
[2016-07-11 23:40:42] rapidtrades : then they'll ignore it
[2016-07-11 23:41:28] boolander : JPY nice moves on, yet again, more stimulus. this was all the fast-money front-running the actual announcement cause like pavlov's dogs that's all they know
[2016-07-11 23:42:12] boolander : not to say kuroda-san and the bernanke can't do one final currency destruction hoo-rah
[2016-07-11 23:48:13] rapidtrades : that stimulus is fiscal not monetary tho, why should the yen weaken
[2016-07-11 23:50:03] rapidtrades : noone is talking about this, i've been f5 forex sites all day and everyone is pretending not to see today's giant move in the yen
[2016-07-11 23:50:42] aethlios : Yes all deep pockets know btc, buffet, gates etc. but don't buy yet. I guess the elite will buy all together or noone. But smart money already drived gold 30% up in 2016. (silver, btc also)
[2016-07-11 23:51:18] rapidtrades : how do u know its 'smart money'
[2016-07-11 23:51:25] rapidtrades : maybe its just panicked money
[2016-07-11 23:52:01] rapidtrades : was the smart money in government bonds for the past 30 years?
[2016-07-11 23:53:05] aethlios : rapidtrades: that's why they are smart, they panic first watching 10 year bund and 10 year Japanese bond negative. All old bonds are reinvested in negative yields.
[2016-07-11 23:53:49] aethlios : when you have 1 billion and negative bond rates where you go to keep having that billion??
[2016-07-11 23:54:03] rapidtrades : bonds
[2016-07-11 23:54:45] rapidtrades : US bonds are still positive
[2016-07-11 23:55:56] rapidtrades : besides gold has costs for trading or storage that will likely offset the small hit from negative rates
[2016-07-11 23:56:36] rapidtrades : if u want to long gold, u pay carry...if u want to buy physical there are storage and securty costs
[2016-07-11 23:58:22] rapidtrades : even CHF bonds are not a bad deal if u think the currency will appreciate more then the negative rate
[2016-07-11 23:59:24] aethlios : rapidtrades: 5 year bund -0.65%, what if -2% or -3%? also in order to find positive yield you go very long term. gold has since 1971 a 8.3% nominal return, so you can cover a deposit box cost of 400 usd per year in a swiss bank.
[2016-07-11 23:59:56] rapidtrades : that's simply not true, gold per annum is closer to 3%
[2016-07-12 00:00:02] aethlios : BTC has no storage fees at least.
[2016-07-12 00:00:14] rapidtrades : btc could half over night
[2016-07-12 00:01:04] rapidtrades : historically even 6 month treasury bills were a better investment then gold
[2016-07-12 00:01:44] rapidtrades : back when rates and inflation weren't at 0
[2016-07-12 00:03:06] rapidtrades : i have a hard time believing this is the end for QQQQQQEE123456789 because I've been hearing that story since 2009
[2016-07-12 00:03:36] aethlios : rapidtrades: from 35 usd to 1370 usd in 45 years is 3% annual??
[2016-07-12 00:04:32] rapidtrades : it's prolly factoring in inflation
[2016-07-12 00:04:39] rapidtrades : lemme check
[2016-07-12 00:06:23] Rado : sup guys
[2016-07-12 00:06:42] Rado : back and I see it's the same as when I left 8 hr ago
[2016-07-12 00:07:04] rapidtrades : yea its shit
[2016-07-12 00:07:43] odieoh : Its the same as when you left 28 hours ago as well
[2016-07-12 00:08:34] Rado : lol
[2016-07-12 00:08:44] Rado : I made a couple of scalps
[2016-07-12 00:08:47] odieoh : Bitcoin is trolling us all; it will now become the world's most stable currency, trading between 647-650 forever
[2016-07-12 00:08:58] Rado : he he
[2016-07-12 00:09:37] Rado : “We don’t know who will take responsibility for reducing Japanese government debt” - Mitsubishi Research Institute.
[2016-07-12 00:11:23] rapidtrades : aethlios: 3% is real, nominal was over 7%
[2016-07-12 00:12:14] rapidtrades : also TIPS not 6-month bills were a better investment then gold
[2016-07-12 00:13:49] aethlios : rapidtrades: we talk nominal, dow 830 to 18220 with C.B. pumping a 6.8% annual yield, +2% dividend then 8.8%, but dow in ATH, if count gold ATH in 2011 had a 10% annually compounted return.
[2016-07-12 00:14:30] rapidtrades : like i said nominal is over 7%
[2016-07-12 00:15:46] aethlios : I am long 5.000 eth in bitmex and short 5000 eth in finex earning 0.5% to 1% daily interest, I hope for a down move to 0.005 to keep the discount.
[2016-07-12 00:15:58] Rado : how much is BTC from 2009 to 2016?
[2016-07-12 00:16:20] rapidtrades : idk over 10,000%?
[2016-07-12 00:16:29] rapidtrades : a million?
[2016-07-12 00:16:37] rapidtrades : it started from 0 so
[2016-07-12 00:16:39] aethlios : infinite
[2016-07-12 00:17:16] rapidtrades : prolly over 6000% if we take 0.01 as a starting point
[2016-07-12 00:18:05] aethlios : rapidtrades: you math is wrong, 6,5 mil %
[2016-07-12 00:18:10] rapidtrades : 2010 or 2011 would be a better starting point imo
[2016-07-12 00:18:54] rapidtrades : it would be hilarious if yen reversed everything today..i would LOL so hard
[2016-07-12 00:19:21] Rado : Venezuela Seizes Local Kimberly-Clark Factory
[2016-07-12 00:19:38] rapidtrades : wtf....i thought they had a more normal gov now
[2016-07-12 00:19:50] rapidtrades : guess the commies still have the presidency
[2016-07-12 00:20:28] aethlios : any gragh of btc/bolivar price??
[2016-07-12 00:22:58] Rado : lol, that will be funny
[2016-07-12 00:24:27] rapidtrades : from 0.83 to $648 77972%
[2016-07-12 00:25:04] rapidtrades : how much is that per annum since 2011
[2016-07-12 00:25:48] Rado : http://fx-rate.net/VEB/BTC/
[2016-07-12 00:26:29] Rado : http://fx-rate.net/BTC/VEB/#graph
[2016-07-12 00:26:53] Rado : from 22 to 71000
[2016-07-12 00:28:15] jung1 : damn
[2016-07-12 00:30:49] jung1 : there will be some sidewalk on eth
[2016-07-12 00:30:56] jung1 : 16 seems unbreakable
[2016-07-12 00:30:57] rapidtrades : a sharp chinese deval to stick it to the japs?
[2016-07-12 00:31:05] rapidtrades : one can hope :)
[2016-07-12 00:31:34] Rado : jung1: 2H BB band opened up now so there is space to fall now
[2016-07-12 00:31:42] rapidtrades : oh good
[2016-07-12 00:31:46] rapidtrades : the 2h chart
[2016-07-12 00:32:27] Rado : My bot trades on the 2H tick
[2016-07-12 00:32:38] Rado : that's why I am following it
[2016-07-12 00:32:39] rapidtrades : im sure it does
[2016-07-12 00:33:03] Rado : I tested all periods and this gave me the best results for some reason
[2016-07-12 00:33:18] Rado : 4h was also OK
[2016-07-12 00:33:19] rapidtrades : best results since when
[2016-07-12 00:33:29] Rado : since Jan 2016
[2016-07-12 00:34:17] rapidtrades : pffft
[2016-07-12 00:34:38] rapidtrades : u mean a 2h chart gave u good results during a strong bull market
[2016-07-12 00:34:41] rapidtrades : u don't say
[2016-07-12 00:35:15] Rado : it made the best profit since the downtrend from 0.034
[2016-07-12 00:35:28] rapidtrades : oh eth
[2016-07-12 00:35:43] Rado : 2016-07-11 17:00 Current balance: 21.15568206 BTC | Initial balance: 1.00000000 2016-07-11 17:00 Buy and Hold (P/L): 640.43% 2016-07-11 17:00 Bot (P/L): 2015.57%
[2016-07-12 00:35:59] rapidtrades : :)
[2016-07-12 00:36:25] Rado : not bad for my first bot
[2016-07-12 00:36:31] Rado : working on two more
[2016-07-12 00:36:33] Rado : one is BTC
[2016-07-12 00:36:38] Rado : but to lazy
[2016-07-12 00:36:52] Rado : only spending a few hours per week
[2016-07-12 00:37:21] rapidtrades : those are the figure for the historical backtest tho right
[2016-07-12 00:37:53] Rado : right
[2016-07-12 00:38:10] Rado : here is live
[2016-07-12 00:38:12] Rado : 2016-07-11 16:55 RADO Poloniex: Current position: -220.78512791 ETH @0.01618351 2016-07-11 16:55 RADO Poloniex: Unrealized P/L: 0.45% 2016-07-11 16:55 RADO Poloniex: Buy and Hold (P/L): -22.69% 2016-07-11 16:55 RADO Poloniex: Bot (P/L): 76.87%
[2016-07-12 00:38:15] rapidtrades : what type of system is it
[2016-07-12 00:38:24] rapidtrades : momentum or counter
[2016-07-12 00:38:35] Rado : momentum
[2016-07-12 00:38:53] rapidtrades : test it further back
[2016-07-12 00:39:22] Rado : when did ETH start?
[2016-07-12 00:39:39] rapidtrades : idk but u can test it on btc too
[2016-07-12 00:40:10] Rado : for some reason doesn't work good on BTC
[2016-07-12 00:40:17] rapidtrades : right
[2016-07-12 00:40:22] Rado : that is why I am creating a separate strategy for BTC
[2016-07-12 00:40:40] rapidtrades : that reason is eth had a huge rally then crash then another rally then another crash
[2016-07-12 00:41:00] rapidtrades : unprecedented volatility which will not last imo
[2016-07-12 00:41:06] Rado : yes
[2016-07-12 00:41:12] Rado : agree
[2016-07-12 00:41:30] Rado : will switch to LSK ;-)
[2016-07-12 00:41:46] Rado : but I am sure I can make on for BTC
[2016-07-12 00:42:00] Rado : will be way shorter period
[2016-07-12 00:42:02] rapidtrades : not on 2h charts
[2016-07-12 00:42:06] Rado : like 5 min or even 1 min tick
[2016-07-12 00:42:06] rapidtrades : nope
[2016-07-12 00:42:17] rapidtrades : not unless its market making
[2016-07-12 00:42:27] Rado : what do you think?
[2016-07-12 00:42:37] Rado : 30 min?
[2016-07-12 00:42:52] rapidtrades : momentum works better on longer charts, lower charts are better for mean reversion
[2016-07-12 00:43:25] rapidtrades : i doubt a 2h system will work for a long time on anything
[2016-07-12 00:44:30] rapidtrades : momentum system to be exact
[2016-07-12 00:44:58] Rado : right
[2016-07-12 00:45:13] Rado : why do you think 5 min will not work
[2016-07-12 00:45:16] Rado : commisions?
[2016-07-12 00:45:34] rapidtrades : also if u have a system that works well on what pair but not on others, u are likely curve fitting
[2016-07-12 00:45:54] rapidtrades : Rado: yes, that's a major factor because a momentum system will take liquidity
[2016-07-12 00:47:22] Rado : I was thinking the BTC bot to combine volume and technical indicators and only take a position when certain things are met
[2016-07-12 00:48:51] Rado : my first 5 min try was not very profitable
[2016-07-12 00:49:15] Rado : I think commissions of 0.2% ate 90% of the profit
[2016-07-12 00:49:43] Rado : so it needs bigger trends
[2016-07-12 00:51:08] Rado : Japanese Savers Flood Into Gold Fearing The Endgame Is Coming
[2016-07-12 00:53:16] Rado : later rapidtrades
[2016-07-12 00:53:25] Rado : good luck o n your Yen trades
[2016-07-12 00:53:38] rapidtrades : Rado: ahahaha, too late for luck but thanks
[2016-07-12 00:53:42] rapidtrades : im roadkill
[2016-07-12 00:54:38] Rado : look at this chart rapidtrades
[2016-07-12 00:54:39] Rado : https://twitter.com/zerohedge/status/752666803256557568
[2016-07-12 00:57:53] rapidtrades : good old zh :)
[2016-07-12 01:06:00] jung1 : eth already hi 16 five times
[2016-07-12 01:06:03] jung1 : hit
[2016-07-12 01:13:25] rapidtrades : Japan PM Abe is said to be meeting with Bernanke in Tokyo today
[2016-07-12 01:13:40] rapidtrades : LOOOOOL yen down 0.5% on that...and it was known before hand
[2016-07-12 01:13:49] rapidtrades : market is NUTS right now NU
[2016-07-12 01:13:53] rapidtrades : TS
[2016-07-12 01:16:00] rapidtrades : PBOC sets USD/CNY central rate at 6.6950 (vs. yesterday at 6.6843)
[2016-07-12 01:16:06] rapidtrades : not bad, a small weakening
[2016-07-12 01:16:24] rapidtrades : stops the trend of stability anyway
[2016-07-12 01:19:19] boolander : clockwork - pump after the fix
[2016-07-12 01:19:34] rapidtrades : yep
[2016-07-12 01:19:40] boolander : ssdd
[2016-07-12 01:20:06] rapidtrades : once 6.70 breaks there will be more volatility
[2016-07-12 01:20:16] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBJ24H`: Buy 8100 @ 66758.0
[2016-07-12 01:21:54] rapidtrades : weak yuan only thing supporting bitcoin right now
[2016-07-12 01:22:44] Roevenger : okcoin tried to push this one
[2016-07-12 01:22:58] Roevenger : oh lol, I can't mention that
[2016-07-12 01:23:01] aethlios : right now no weak yan effect with okcoin futures in discount to finex (west)
[2016-07-12 01:24:23] rapidtrades : aethlios: 1USD=6.6494CNY okc rate is much lower then market
[2016-07-12 01:24:39] Rado : rapidtrades: the same trend as yesterday
[2016-07-12 01:24:50] aethlios : funny thing is stronger dollar>yuan devalues>btc pumps in china>arb drives btcusd pair up and btc appreciates to usd. So stronger dollar=stronger btc.
[2016-07-12 01:24:50] Rado : when the PBOC released BTC jumped
[2016-07-12 01:24:54] rapidtrades : artificially depresses yuan portion in the index @aethlios
[2016-07-12 01:25:06] Rado : yesterday it gave all gains back
[2016-07-12 01:25:41] rapidtrades : yeah we'll have to break away from 6.70 to make the gains stick imo
[2016-07-12 01:28:36] rapidtrades : no reason for china to stop deval with the market attention elsewhere
[2016-07-12 01:32:59] boolander : when pump fail.
[2016-07-12 01:34:17] Rado : gave it all back
[2016-07-12 01:34:22] Rado : really quick
[2016-07-12 01:35:21] boolander : dude ran it all the way up toe 4370 - saw no pokemon and ran back
[2016-07-12 01:36:20] Roevenger : probably someone using pokemon go to trade
[2016-07-12 01:37:14] jung1 : IM thinking of close my short on eth
[2016-07-12 01:39:22] Rado : jung1: don't do it :-)
[2016-07-12 01:41:46] Rado : Coincheck Becomes First Japanese Exchange To Support Lisk
[2016-07-12 01:44:18] jung1 : nice
[2016-07-12 01:44:41] jung1 : Rado: what your bot says about closing this eth short?
[2016-07-12 01:46:03] Rado : If it doesn't fall further I think the bot will close in the next two ticks
[2016-07-12 01:46:07] Rado : that's 4 hours
[2016-07-12 01:50:12] jung1 : I dont know
[2016-07-12 01:50:41] jung1 : maybe I will close it and short right before that dao thing
[2016-07-12 01:50:44] rapidtrades : u gotta be pretty retarded to sell the yen based on bernark visit
[2016-07-12 01:51:33] rapidtrades : oh hey we're back at 648
[2016-07-12 01:51:44] boolander : pavlovian algo's
[2016-07-12 01:55:04] rapidtrades : yen pairs have to reverse strongly at some point
[2016-07-12 01:55:06] jack : Hey!
[2016-07-12 01:55:24] rapidtrades : too far too fast on speculation...not even news of monetary easing
[2016-07-12 01:57:08] rapidtrades : this move is on par with QQE2 back in 2014....and without a single comment from the boj
[2016-07-12 02:05:47] Roevenger : http://cointelegraph.com/news/developer-claims-ethereum-is-stolen-intellectual-property-files-complaints-with-fbi
[2016-07-12 02:05:51] Roevenger : lol
[2016-07-12 02:08:06] jung1 : nice
[2016-07-12 02:09:56] jung1 : mo money mo problems
[2016-07-12 02:12:22] ggwp : http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/the-debate-rages-on-are-blockchains-in-crisis_us_5783e63ee4b0f06648f57df2
[2016-07-12 02:12:54] ggwp : jung1: jakas pozycje masz btc obecnie?
[2016-07-12 02:15:35] jung1 : narazie czekam z szortem na eth
[2016-07-12 02:16:03] ggwp : całą noc?
[2016-07-12 02:16:07] ggwp : :D
[2016-07-12 02:16:45] ggwp : dobra ja sie zwijam -- żegnam
[2016-07-12 02:32:44] QuantFocus : will we really have to wait until the 14th for some action?
[2016-07-12 02:38:50] jung1 : hard to say
[2016-07-12 02:39:27] jung1 : but after that I put buy orders at $6
[2016-07-12 02:59:32] QuantFocus : so you're bullish?
[2016-07-12 03:26:01] rapidtrades : It appears from comments around the place today that the only thing Abe has ordered so far is his lunch with Bernanke
[2016-07-12 03:26:12] rapidtrades : http://news.forexlive.com/!/japan-fin-min-aso-will-consider-stimulus-package-as-soon-as-abe-orders-it-20160712 WTF
[2016-07-12 04:02:38] sizzurp : funding options?
[2016-07-12 04:21:28] zanza : thats why USEJPY spiked
[2016-07-12 04:24:14] rapidtrades : yeah Abe is lunching with ben right now
[2016-07-12 04:24:26] rapidtrades : could be some srs dumpage if we don't get more details soon
[2016-07-12 04:24:36] rapidtrades : sounds like jap hot air atm
[2016-07-12 04:56:31] daveberns1 : Booolish?
[2016-07-12 04:56:36] daveberns1 : That's cray folks
[2016-07-12 07:09:30] elmorte : Resilient ETH...
[2016-07-12 07:11:19] aethlios : Kuroda PRINT MOOOOOOOORE.
[2016-07-12 07:32:01] jung1 : elmorte: yeah
[2016-07-12 07:32:27] jung1 : Im going to worry about my short
[2016-07-12 07:35:54] elmorte : I'd like to collect some of that funding cash
[2016-07-12 07:36:52] elmorte : but 16 is still too high imo
[2016-07-12 07:45:21] jung1 : Hmm
[2016-07-12 07:45:27] jung1 : Strange
[2016-07-12 07:45:46] jung1 : Thought that we will break 16 easly
[2016-07-12 07:48:21] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETHXBT`: Buy 705 @ 0.01638
[2016-07-12 07:48:44] Jj4REAL : "short of the year"
[2016-07-12 07:49:29] Jj4REAL : most crowded trade of the month more like
[2016-07-12 07:50:58] smoker : is rekt user or someone got rekt?
[2016-07-12 07:51:35] jung1 : someone has
[2016-07-12 07:52:58] jung1 : last call to short befor 11mln from dao will be on market
[2016-07-12 07:53:26] smoker : so today is dumpfest on eth?
[2016-07-12 07:53:41] jung1 : 14
[2016-07-12 07:54:08] smoker : ah ok, i stopped following it because its a mess haha
[2016-07-12 07:54:18] jung1 : yeah
[2016-07-12 07:59:20] elmorte : /r/ethtrader with conflicting opinions about the 'flood'
[2016-07-12 07:59:29] elmorte : jung1: where does it say it's hitting the market today?
[2016-07-12 07:59:57] jung1 : well it was first date
[2016-07-12 08:04:09] aethlios : http://www.investing.com/news/economy-news/japan-government-may-issue-construction-bonds-to-fund-stimulus:-economy-minister-413789
[2016-07-12 08:05:52] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETHXBT`: Buy 250 @ 0.01646
[2016-07-12 08:05:52] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETHXBT`: Buy 30 @ 0.01646
[2016-07-12 08:20:19] zanza : im in a losing oil long now
[2016-07-12 08:20:49] zanza : flood?
[2016-07-12 08:40:58] Mr Blue : Morning traders, haha I shit my self checked Bitcoin price when I woke up and it's dropped £7 but yet the $ price hasn't moved luckily enough as was thinking my yen contracts could of been liquidated, turns out they sold at a profit, weird bloody Fiat markets
[2016-07-12 08:51:14] Mr Blue : How the £ got stronger against the Bitcoin I've no idea lol
[2016-07-12 08:53:52] Jovis : why not. gbpusd is up >2% the last 24 hours, whereas btcusd hasn't moved a bit
[2016-07-12 08:57:28] Mr Blue : Jovis: must of gained some strength back against after breakfast
[2016-07-12 08:58:17] Mr Blue : Brexit
[2016-07-12 08:58:40] Mr Blue : Damn Google keyboard lol
[2016-07-12 08:58:58] Mr Blue : Euro
[2016-07-12 09:20:37] Mr Blue : So what you guys thinking for today?? I'm feeling a little bearish
[2016-07-12 09:22:01] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBJ24H`: Buy 23060 @ 66872.0 **MEGA-REKT** :boom:
[2016-07-12 09:22:15] elmorte : I'm thinking pasta...unless the missus wants to cook
[2016-07-12 09:22:55] Mr Blue : elmorte: pasta hopefully not with Tuna lol
[2016-07-12 09:25:04] elmorte : No, of course not...some mayo too :p
[2016-07-12 09:26:06] Mr Blue : Enjoy your Fukushima mate
[2016-07-12 09:26:43] elmorte : Nah, we get the good stuff here, from Thailand
[2016-07-12 09:29:35] Mr Blue : elmorte: doesn't matter Fukushima is all over the northern hemisphere, I wish it stayed in Japan but the winds circulate the earth, anyways I'm been an ass I also eat Fukushima it's unascable
[2016-07-12 09:31:49] Mr Blue : But tuna spawn off of Japan, and they're dumping the majority of radiation in to the sea there so it's one I try keep away from lol
[2016-07-12 09:34:47] Mr Blue : Like you I once loved some tuna paste an mayo
[2016-07-12 09:35:35] Mr Blue : Pasta*
[2016-07-12 09:35:36] wotan : dman i get hungry:)
[2016-07-12 09:36:23] Mr Blue : wotan: same here think I might make some breakfast my self.
[2016-07-12 09:38:22] macios15 : shorts gona rekt
[2016-07-12 09:39:01] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBJ24H`: Buy 6040 @ 67419.0
[2016-07-12 09:39:14] smoker : haha rekt
[2016-07-12 09:39:32] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 2222 @ 655.69
[2016-07-12 09:39:32] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 1 @ 655.67 :punch: :whale:
[2016-07-12 09:42:25] macios15 : are we out of triangle now?
[2016-07-12 09:43:18] Jovis : no..
[2016-07-12 09:43:29] wotan : nice candle
[2016-07-12 09:43:34] Mr Blue : macios15: 665 / 670 could be the next stop
[2016-07-12 09:46:00] elmorte : I don't know @Mr Blue...we're kinda below the pacific migratory area of tuna. You're probably more likely to get mercury poisoning
[2016-07-12 09:46:15] wotan : lets do this 666 and then fly over 666.66 cmon btc
[2016-07-12 09:46:21] rullwull : I'm expecting 620 or below before the next wave up starts, it may happen till the end of this week
[2016-07-12 09:46:57] macios15 : more up incoming i think
[2016-07-12 09:47:31] Mr Blue : elmorte: what do you mean they travel from Japan to the USA and back, radiation is been leaked / pumped in to the sea at that location
[2016-07-12 09:49:46] elmorte : That area does not intersect my area anywhere
[2016-07-12 09:50:35] Mr Blue : dilution really isn't the solution, but at least they've added the genetically modified algae to the sea lol
[2016-07-12 09:51:06] Mr Blue : elmorte: where is your area? And you still get tuna from Fukushima lol
[2016-07-12 09:52:20] Mr Blue : Maybe this was all planned in advance, why else would the Japs start freezing tuna in long term storage like ten years ago
[2016-07-12 09:52:31] elmorte : I told you we get our tuna from Thailand. Probably skipjack or bonito...
[2016-07-12 09:53:09] elmorte : lol....they had excess from all the whaling 'experiments'?
[2016-07-12 09:53:48] wotan : Mr Blue most big things are planed longterm agree in this case i dont have specific infos but in many others its totally clear
[2016-07-12 09:55:12] Mr Blue : wotan: cool +1
[2016-07-12 09:55:57] Mr Blue : elmorte: it's still the pacific ocean and tuna migrate sir
[2016-07-12 09:56:33] smoker : is there a sound notification on this site when trade goes?
[2016-07-12 09:56:50] elmorte : yes, a balloon pop
[2016-07-12 09:57:11] elmorte : Mr Blue: well, I'll take my Geiger counter to the can and report back
[2016-07-12 09:57:22] smoker : i see baloon but sound?
[2016-07-12 09:57:25] elmorte : What's the healthy threshold?
[2016-07-12 09:57:39] elmorte : it's the sound of a balloon popping
[2016-07-12 09:57:53] Mr Blue : elmorte: well the gulf of Thailand
[2016-07-12 09:58:01] elmorte : or no, wait...it's the newspaper shuffle sound
[2016-07-12 09:58:06] smoker : so baloon pooped already? :)
[2016-07-12 09:58:26] Mr Blue : elmorte: that would be very cool of you, when did you buy it?? The new ones are set to shit
[2016-07-12 10:01:52] Mr Blue : When they make new ones I'm guessing they set them to government safe levels, seen as that's been increased by 1000% since Fukushima I wouldn't trust the new ones, their is no safe amount of true hot particles
[2016-07-12 10:01:56] elmorte : I found one scubadiving on a ship sunk in lat e 19th century...
[2016-07-12 10:02:41] elmorte : I just microwaved it to dry...should be as good as new
[2016-07-12 10:02:44] Mr Blue : elmorte: very cool and it still works?
[2016-07-12 10:02:56] elmorte : I'm still alive...
[2016-07-12 10:03:20] Mr Blue : elmorte: you microwaved metal?? I gotta call bullshit
[2016-07-12 10:03:32] elmorte : Took you a while :p
[2016-07-12 10:04:39] Mr Blue : elmorte: well you said you have a boat, so wasn't so far out to believe you dive shipwrecks
[2016-07-12 10:05:07] elmorte : They didn't have Geiger counters in 19th century :p
[2016-07-12 10:05:29] Mr Blue : elmorte: you said late 19th century
[2016-07-12 10:05:36] Mr Blue : And they did lol
[2016-07-12 10:06:31] elmorte : Actually, not till 20th
[2016-07-12 10:06:39] Mr Blue : I assumed you found it like 80s / 90s
[2016-07-12 10:07:01] elmorte : So....19th century starts in 1801
[2016-07-12 10:09:26] Mr Blue : A century is 100 years, the 19 hundreds was the 19th century depending on what calendar you use.
[2016-07-12 10:10:11] Mr Blue : We reached the 20th century in 2000.. though the Earth and our species is much older
[2016-07-12 10:11:25] Mr Blue : As far as I can tell the first Geiger counter was invented 1908
[2016-07-12 10:11:28] elmorte : I didn't say 19 hundreds...I specifically said late 19th century...which is up to 31.12.1900 and not a day more
[2016-07-12 10:12:10] johndoe : mr blue, we reached the 21st century in 2000
[2016-07-12 10:12:14] johndoe : right now is the 21st century
[2016-07-12 10:12:38] johndoe : you know, like 20th century FOX was started before 2000
[2016-07-12 10:14:19] Mr Blue : You said late 19th century, but ye I still made a mistake
[2016-07-12 10:14:33] elmorte : And the reason I picked that date was that a) it was before all the nuclear tests you might bring up and b) the geiger counter wasn't invented yet :p
[2016-07-12 10:14:57] johndoe : elmorte said late 19th century which means 1850-1900, not 1908
[2016-07-12 10:15:00] Mr Blue : johndoe: I know where in the 21st century was a brain fart
[2016-07-12 10:15:09] johndoe : the 1st century was not 100-200 - it was 0-100
[2016-07-12 10:15:17] johndoe : okay
[2016-07-12 10:15:17] elmorte : 1-100 technically...
[2016-07-12 10:15:21] Roevenger : another fake breakout? the volume on this one was something different...
[2016-07-12 10:15:33] johndoe : yah, 1-100
[2016-07-12 10:15:35] elmorte : 1.1.1-31.12.100
[2016-07-12 10:15:41] Mr Blue : johndoe: true but he wouldn't be that old anyways, and at first I wasn't taking him for a lier so didn't catch that one
[2016-07-12 10:16:00] elmorte : The shipwreck could be that old :)
[2016-07-12 10:17:15] Mr Blue : In any event, we know the government is always 50 years ahead, they probably did have the early ones in the 19th century seen as it was made public 1908
[2016-07-12 10:18:10] johndoe : nah, the gov. only became 50 years ahead after Roswell
[2016-07-12 10:18:16] johndoe : ;)
[2016-07-12 10:18:39] Mr Blue : Not that it would be any use, like I said I assumed he meant 1980s + didn't catch the sarcasm
[2016-07-12 10:19:28] johndoe : okay
[2016-07-12 10:19:50] Mr Blue : johndoe: or maybe after the boost they got from German scientists ?
[2016-07-12 10:20:17] johndoe : true
[2016-07-12 10:20:32] elmorte : Not to attack you in any way bud...but would it be too much of a stretch to say you believe too much of what you read @Mr Blue ?
[2016-07-12 10:21:57] Mr Blue : elmorte: yes it would be too much, as I only believe a small % of what I read online, cover ups and the elites I've researched alot
[2016-07-12 10:22:19] elmorte : alright, my bad then
[2016-07-12 10:23:17] johndoe : i've spent lots of time in Thailand and am familiar with SE asian geography and i'd say that those waters are pretty safe from fukushima
[2016-07-12 10:23:30] johndoe : gulf of thailand and indian ocean i mean
[2016-07-12 10:27:28] Mr Blue : johndoe: it's all connected, but ye does look pretty clean from Google maps, depends on the ocean currents I guess, but Tuna do migrate
[2016-07-12 10:27:51] subjective : has BTC break out of triangle yet? doesn't seem to be fully committed yet
[2016-07-12 10:28:23] Mr Blue : You only need to research effects of Chernobyl to see Fukushima is going to hit us hard
[2016-07-12 10:28:26] johndoe : it's also true that where im living (NE thailand) there are many fish farms in ponds, for better or worse. but i don't know anything about tuna.
[2016-07-12 10:29:08] johndoe : subjective: depends which triangle. it broke one, but there's another close by here
[2016-07-12 10:29:44] johndoe : lol, so far off-subject
[2016-07-12 10:30:06] Mr Blue : johndoe: yes I now eat Alaskan polak it's a white fish so goes well for fish and chips, + it's from fresh water likes in Alaska not that the rain doesn't still get them
[2016-07-12 10:31:48] Mr Blue : elmorte: where cool mate, I was only playing with you because was a strong chance you was having tuna with that pasta lol, you got me back anyways ?
[2016-07-12 10:32:57] Mr Blue : Lakes**
[2016-07-12 10:33:11] subjective : johndoe: probably 662 would confirm a break
[2016-07-12 10:33:50] johndoe : yah, 662.60 on bitfinex
[2016-07-12 10:34:05] johndoe : i'm currently short fwiw
[2016-07-12 10:34:35] subjective : johndoe: i am short as well, for a small size for fun
[2016-07-12 10:34:47] johndoe : just got short about 45min ago near the high, but i got long-term longs in another exchange
[2016-07-12 10:35:01] johndoe : yah i'm just day-trading for fun too basically
[2016-07-12 10:35:10] subjective : johndoe: i am waiting for clear signal to switch to buy..
[2016-07-12 10:35:36] subjective : same, fun size waiting for a good entry for buy
[2016-07-12 10:36:02] elmorte : johndoe: use any local exchanges?
[2016-07-12 10:36:29] johndoe : yah, coins.co.th is the best - although it is not an exchange per se
[2016-07-12 10:36:49] elmorte : more like instantaneous trade?
[2016-07-12 10:36:58] johndoe : just lets you buy and sell via thai bank accounts + some ATM card-less withdrawals if you are a thai citizen
[2016-07-12 10:37:11] johndoe : used to be foreigner as well, but now just Thai for that specific withdrawal type
[2016-07-12 10:37:27] elmorte : Ah, they have a debit card?
[2016-07-12 10:37:49] johndoe : yah, check their site, they have a buy/sell rate on front page. sometimes they have some great arbitrage opportunities
[2016-07-12 10:38:13] johndoe : sometimes they pay way too much for your BTC during a big down move - they are sometimes slow to catch up with the market price
[2016-07-12 10:38:27] elmorte : Cool. Just curious...I'm down south in Malaysia, just wanted to compare experiences
[2016-07-12 10:38:42] elmorte : Yeah, major latency between the world and local market here...
[2016-07-12 10:38:56] subjective : johndoe: are you waiting for a buy entry point?
[2016-07-12 10:39:08] johndoe : they got like 20 different withdrawal methods - mobile apps, traditional banking, card-less ATM passcodes method, pay off local credit cards, pay off local phone bills, etc.
[2016-07-12 10:39:29] elmorte : That's some next level stuff for SEA
[2016-07-12 10:39:52] johndoe : yah, so much more free here - love thailand sometimes
[2016-07-12 10:39:58] johndoe : USA sucks for banking
[2016-07-12 10:39:58] elmorte : :)
[2016-07-12 10:40:12] elmorte : Didn't they have a ban on BTC sometime ago though?
[2016-07-12 10:40:20] elmorte : Then again, they had a ban on MMA as well...
[2016-07-12 10:40:45] johndoe : subjective: not exactly - i might cut a little if it breaks the high from an hour ago, but yah, looking at 662 basically
[2016-07-12 10:41:21] johndoe : elmorte: yah the ban was never enforced, and the bank of thailand withdrew it a few months later
[2016-07-12 10:41:26] johndoe : they just didn't understand btc i think
[2016-07-12 10:41:57] subjective : johndoe: i am waiting for 600-620 to close short, or switch when it breaks 662
[2016-07-12 10:42:03] johndoe : thai gov. is one of the most likely govs in the world to not enforce a law or order
[2016-07-12 10:42:35] johndoe : subjective: yah i got limit orders to close my position gradually starting around 640 down to 612ish
[2016-07-12 10:43:00] elmorte : it's such a fascinating culture/system for an outsider
[2016-07-12 10:43:00] subjective : not a bad way to go to slowly get out
[2016-07-12 10:43:25] elmorte : I loved Fear & Loathing in Bangkok, dunno if you read it
[2016-07-12 10:43:33] johndoe : elmorte: yah, nowadays they have MMA pretty often. they get the US matches and local matches
[2016-07-12 10:43:51] elmorte : Yeah, ONE FC had a major event just in May
[2016-07-12 10:43:56] johndoe : elmorte: nah, haven't read that one, but i saw the cover - i got to asia books a lot :)
[2016-07-12 10:44:08] johndoe : go to*
[2016-07-12 10:45:21] johndoe : elmorte: the culture is definitely unique - for better or worse. But i like it overall.
[2016-07-12 10:46:10] johndoe : subjective: yah, slowly getting out spreads your positions like a dollar-cost averaging strategy
[2016-07-12 10:47:34] johndoe : subjective: i try to place them pretty specifically based near critical support areas as well as several points below to catch "falling knife" liquidation orders and panic selling
[2016-07-12 10:48:54] elmorte : johndoe: which charts do you use to deduce support areas?
[2016-07-12 10:49:25] subjective : johndoe: that is a good strategy
[2016-07-12 10:50:01] johndoe : well usually bitfinex as my default, but sometimes you gotta check bitstamp and okcoin's btcusd for specific USD points because this exchange is based on those 3 prices.
[2016-07-12 10:50:27] johndoe : i also check the cnyusd okcoin/huobi price to get a better feel
[2016-07-12 10:50:39] johndoe : chinese prices almost always lead usd prices by a second or two
[2016-07-12 10:50:53] johndoe : and have more volume so you get more reliable support/resistance areas
[2016-07-12 10:52:34] johndoe : more of an art than a science though - a lot of it just feeling the market and this exchange in particular. basically i just have a few tabs open and i rapidly switch between this page and ok-coin's cnyusd and bitfinex's btcusd, to try to quickly find breaks and oversold/overbought short-term moments
[2016-07-12 10:53:03] elmorte : yeah, I found that following the Chinese prices real time was way more useful for scalping
[2016-07-12 10:53:05] johndoe : this exchange tends to get carried away because of high leverage, so you can catch those liquidation type orders - those are my favs
[2016-07-12 10:53:50] elmorte : liqdn order saved my ass last time we went under 600
[2016-07-12 10:55:19] johndoe : yah, i've kept a long-term buy-and-hold since about 420ish. so i just held on during that entire move down to 550
[2016-07-12 10:55:43] subjective : it overreacts with liquidation orders, i need to get on the right side.
[2016-07-12 10:55:46] elmorte : I was long at 640+....a horrible day that was :(
[2016-07-12 10:55:52] johndoe : but after bitfinex's last temp. shutdown, i came here and now have a lot more freedom to daytrade with great leverage
[2016-07-12 10:56:04] subjective : looks like it's going to break up now
[2016-07-12 10:56:24] johndoe : yah, i bought $10k at 655.42 a few mins ago
[2016-07-12 10:56:41] johndoe : but i'm not convinced totally, so still net short
[2016-07-12 11:00:30] subjective : yep, market haven't fully decided yet
[2016-07-12 11:02:34] elmorte : So....halving was a non-event so far?
[2016-07-12 11:02:46] elmorte : Hash rate is steady, even increasing...
[2016-07-12 11:02:56] Mr Blue : http://www.globalresearch.ca/28-signs-that-the-west-coast-is-being-absolutely-fried-with-nuclear-radiation-from-fukushima/5355280
[2016-07-12 11:03:46] elmorte : Switch to Mediterranean fish @Mr Blue
[2016-07-12 11:03:50] Mr Blue : Or for you financial guys that like Forbes http://www.globalresearch.ca/28-signs-that-the-west-coast-is-being-absolutely-fried-with-nuclear-radiation-from-fukushima/5355280
[2016-07-12 11:04:04] elmorte : Wrong link....
[2016-07-12 11:04:15] elmorte : But Forbes blog is not Forbes....
[2016-07-12 11:04:24] johndoe : elmorte: yeah, i thought hash rate would drop too. But it appears it didn't because mining equipment is still profitable in regards to electric costs, since they already paid for the mining equip.
[2016-07-12 11:04:26] Mr Blue : elmorte: http://www.forbes.com/sites/jeffmcmahon/2013/04/10/epa-draft-stirs-fears-of-radically-relaxed-radiation-guidelines/#5a5748f1ea2b
[2016-07-12 11:04:37] elmorte : Yeah, that's the blog @Mr Blue
[2016-07-12 11:04:53] subjective : wouldn't it be less risky if u always trade breakout.. less reward and risk
[2016-07-12 11:04:56] elmorte : johndoe: fair enough
[2016-07-12 11:05:21] elmorte : Lot of nonsense gets posted on Forbes' blogs...
[2016-07-12 11:06:11] johndoe : subjective: not necessarily because there are too many false breakouts.
[2016-07-12 11:06:37] Mr Blue : elmorte: your saying Forbes.com is a blog?? If so where can I post my rants lol
[2016-07-12 11:06:59] johndoe : subjective: often the reverse strategy is preferable - meaning being long for a long time and getting short on those long breakouts if we are in a consolidation period type of market
[2016-07-12 11:07:41] subjective : johndoe: great info
[2016-07-12 11:08:50] johndoe : subjective: yah, giving away my best strategies :)
[2016-07-12 11:08:56] subjective : order history swings on these fake outs..
[2016-07-12 11:09:15] Mr Blue : For example, the new EPA guide refers to International Atomic Energy Agency guidelines that suggest intervention is not necessary until drinking water is contaminated with radioactive iodine 131 at a concentration of 81,000 picocuries per liter. This is 27,000 times less stringent than the EPA rule of 3 picocuries per liter
[2016-07-12 11:09:42] subjective : it's like "omg, it's a break out", then "wait, hold your horses, it's fake", then repeat
[2016-07-12 11:09:50] Mr Blue : And I was just saying they increased it by 1000x to you guys lol,, 27k much worse lol
[2016-07-12 11:10:23] johndoe : yah, i've got many years of experience in that emotion :( took a long time to surpress it
[2016-07-12 11:11:52] subjective : johndoe: i know, i am pretty calm today, but also got in on the fake out as well. this needs discipline..
[2016-07-12 11:12:24] johndoe : Mr Blue: i can't say i have any idea whether the EPA is absurdly strict or not. These types of decisions are usually suspect and arbitrary - similar to protein consumption recommendations or carbs, etc, from the gov. in the past.
[2016-07-12 11:13:49] Mr Blue : johndoe: ye but if they just increase safe levels after nuclear disasters, how can we trust the gov and if nothing is wrong why do it
[2016-07-12 11:13:59] johndoe : subjective: yeah, i bought that $10k before as a kinda emotional response to the chinese exchanges' moves since this exchange and bitfinex hadn't reacted. i had too much leverage anyways so i don't mind too much even though its lower now.
[2016-07-12 11:16:04] johndoe : Mr Blue: i mean i've read plenty of stuff about fukushima - i get links in email like every week from my mom, lol. But i'm just not particularly convinced because i haven't seen any reputable orgs that i'm familiar with worry too much about it as a USA issue. I just really don't know, but i'm skeptical about this type of stuff, as well as chemtrails, etc.
[2016-07-12 11:17:10] Mr Blue : johndoe: since Fukushima how many dead seals / birds you seen??
[2016-07-12 11:17:33] johndoe : Mr Blue: uhm, you mean like in person?
[2016-07-12 11:17:45] Mr Blue : I would mention the whales but that could just be because our magnetic field is also fucked at the moment
[2016-07-12 11:18:26] Mr Blue : johndoe: ye I know you've been seeing few dead birds in person at least, as for the seals you see that on the news
[2016-07-12 11:19:43] johndoe : Mr Blue: well i live in thailand, but i honestly cannot recall seeing any dead birds when i've been at the beach in phuket/ko samui/pattaya since fukushima