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[2016-07-11 08:08:45] ggwp : Mr Blue: lost a bit (pun intended) all play money though
[2016-07-11 08:09:01] ggwp : glad to hear you've been good
[2016-07-11 08:09:23] ggwp : been good myself
[2016-07-11 08:13:34] Mr Blue : ggwp: cool, hehe I prob made more losses than you, trying to claw 3+ BTC back at the moment, glad you've been good, you short or long?, I'm long at the moment but only on a x5
[2016-07-11 08:15:03] rapidtrades : long now QQ later
[2016-07-11 08:15:06] rapidtrades : just imo
[2016-07-11 08:16:09] Mr Blue : rapidtrades: ye playing itsafe from now on my self
[2016-07-11 08:17:33] rapidtrades : do u have any exp with trading?
[2016-07-11 08:18:45] ggwp : Mr Blue: man, I hope you're still at a net profit
[2016-07-11 08:19:58] Mr Blue : ggwp: lol no I'm down like £2000 been trading shit since I got back from holiday, found something out and think my mind been all over the place messed up my trading
[2016-07-11 08:20:52] Mr Blue : rapidtrades: yes lots, but not where I can get liquidated, I normally buy and hold for a profit, and used to pump / dump stockings
[2016-07-11 08:21:15] Mr Blue : ALTs
[2016-07-11 08:22:59] rapidtrades : so how many profitable months do u have with daytrading
[2016-07-11 08:23:03] Mr Blue : I seen it was at 654 this morning, wanted to short but was too busy with the damn kids to log in lol
[2016-07-11 08:25:02] Mr Blue : rapidtrades: well I had like a year brake due to the alt markets going to shit, but normally the majority of months
[2016-07-11 08:26:03] Mr Blue : rapidtrades: I also buy / sell items, anything with 100% profit really
[2016-07-11 08:29:24] Mr Blue : Even crap like https://www.toppsdirect.com/skylanders-swap-force-collector-cards-rainbow-foil-cards-individual-service.html can sell for other 300% profit
[2016-07-11 08:29:33] Mr Blue : Over*
[2016-07-11 08:30:42] BuzzLightYear : Mr Blue: dude, u r a real trader
[2016-07-11 08:31:05] ggwp : Mr Blue: sfyl
[2016-07-11 08:31:45] Mr Blue : BuzzLightYear: haha thanks mate
[2016-07-11 08:32:02] Mr Blue : ggwp: np mate thanks
[2016-07-11 08:32:26] BuzzLightYear : Mr Blue: isn't trading all about buy low and sell high? i would sell anything for 300%
[2016-07-11 08:33:46] jesperf : NO! in bitcoin we buy high and sell low!
[2016-07-11 08:34:22] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 184764 @ 645.19 **REKTosaurus** :slot_machine: :moneybag: :fire:
[2016-07-11 08:34:27] Mr Blue : BuzzLightYear: true + people are idiots, most them shiny cards sell for £2 to £5 yet you can get them for 35p catch is you only have like 5000 to buy as it's one per person on all collections, well not per person per address ?
[2016-07-11 08:34:31] boolander : I thot in mr blue case it was buy High as well as sell High?
[2016-07-11 08:34:40] boolander : always high
[2016-07-11 08:35:33] Mr Blue : And also you got to sell them lol, but I don't mind holding collectibles
[2016-07-11 08:36:12] Mr Blue : boolander: lol that could be the case, I'll buy more if we drop 630 though
[2016-07-11 08:39:32] Tetsuo : Mr Blue: you should try trading magic the gathering cards, i could recommend you a pretty good japanese online exchange
[2016-07-11 08:41:23] Mr Blue : Tetsuo: possibly I already have some, but I can't get them really cheap after recall like from tops direct
[2016-07-11 08:41:44] Mr Blue : Tetsuo: didn't method trade magic the gathering cards?
[2016-07-11 08:42:17] Mr Blue : Mt gox.
[2016-07-11 08:42:19] Tetsuo : mtgox.com did
[2016-07-11 08:43:40] Mr Blue : Tetsuo: I thought so, if I can make a profit, sure link me up mate I'll have a look, but must be careful of fakes that's why I like to buy direct from supplier after recall from shops
[2016-07-11 08:47:20] ggwp : Mr Blue: I think longs are gonna win this time
[2016-07-11 08:48:11] Mr Blue : ggwp: hmm possibly but will take few months for block halving to really take affect
[2016-07-11 08:48:49] ggwp : Mr Blue: effect on what?
[2016-07-11 08:49:06] Mr Blue : ggwp: I'm long my self but would probably short 655 / 700 if it moves up too fast
[2016-07-11 08:49:23] ggwp : 700 is a short yes
[2016-07-11 08:50:42] Mr Blue : ggwp: on the market, we've had the speculation pump, but will take some cleaning before we start moving again, like I said $2000 by Christmas, but lots of ups and downs between here and then for sure
[2016-07-11 08:51:09] ggwp : hmmm
[2016-07-11 08:51:18] ggwp : no long term spec here
[2016-07-11 08:52:49] Mr Blue : ggwp: not even a guestimates?
[2016-07-11 08:53:47] ggwp : nope
[2016-07-11 08:53:56] ggwp : :P
[2016-07-11 08:56:00] ggwp : where do you sell the collectables you buy on?
[2016-07-11 08:56:30] ggwp : is it only collectables you trade?
[2016-07-11 08:56:39] ggwp : intersting stuff
[2016-07-11 08:57:54] Mr Blue : ggwp: not limited to collectibles that was just an example for you guys, an I sell to some shops in Leeds, carboot sales, eBay other online places, depends what I'm selling really
[2016-07-11 08:59:09] Jj4REAL : rip my ETH long
[2016-07-11 08:59:12] Mr Blue : I wouldn't say I'm a real trader, but what I do like with Bitcoin I can hold my self, not just some paper crap representing a barrel of oil
[2016-07-11 09:00:38] Mr Blue : I'll never see
[2016-07-11 09:02:47] aethlios : anyone can tell what is basically happening in eth with hark fork etc.????
[2016-07-11 09:04:33] Mr Blue : aethlios: when's it set for?? I'd assume a week before hand will start to rise due to speculation, but until then it really should be in the shit, if Eth wasn't so controlled
[2016-07-11 09:05:41] ggwp : Mr Blue: gotya on both, thanks
[2016-07-11 09:06:30] Mr Blue : aethlios: I seen a news post saying the community was 100% behind the hard fork,, 100% lol Lies for sure, I might buy an ETH just to say no ?
[2016-07-11 09:07:43] ggwp : carbonvote.com
[2016-07-11 09:07:50] ggwp : just in case
[2016-07-11 09:07:59] Mr Blue : ggwp: ?
[2016-07-11 09:43:57] RoftheN : 86 or 100, the majority is for the hardfork. Or the people who are against it don't care enough to vote. Same as with politics, many people don't care enough.
[2016-07-11 09:52:38] Mr Blue : It's all just a show anyways, they don't care what the majority wants, or it wouldn't be going PoS only and they'd be open about what happened to the 80 mill pre-mine
[2016-07-11 09:53:21] Mr Blue : If majority said no = they'd still hard fork lol
[2016-07-11 09:54:59] Mr Blue : That or create a new clone and shit on you guys lol
[2016-07-11 09:56:29] Mr Blue : Damn, I guess I must apologise I forget people here could be long lol, I don't no where my rants come from, some deep dark place for sure lol, maybe my ass
[2016-07-11 09:56:51] Jj4REAL : haha
[2016-07-11 09:57:06] Jj4REAL : not liquidated yet
[2016-07-11 09:57:21] Mr Blue : Jj4REAL: cool good luck mate
[2016-07-11 09:57:48] Jj4REAL : Mr Blue: thx, only play money
[2016-07-11 09:58:40] Jj4REAL : I think Ive lost every ETH trade 0/5
[2016-07-11 09:59:29] Mr Blue : Jj4REAL: good, what leverage you on? I found was only safe for me to do a x2 on that market, swings too much or liquidation is set crap
[2016-07-11 10:00:32] Jj4REAL : stared on 10 but dropped to 5 to avoid instarek, bad move
[2016-07-11 10:02:05] Jj4REAL : maybe this is the bottom
[2016-07-11 10:02:34] Jj4REAL : nope
[2016-07-11 10:02:40] Mr Blue : Jj4REAL: well hopefully the one time you win makes up for your loss, I mainly play XBT an Bitcoin / yen market
[2016-07-11 10:03:54] Jj4REAL : I opened up a short on finex the same size so if it fully tanks Ill be square
[2016-07-11 10:04:53] Jj4REAL : just closed the long; looks like cascade incoming
[2016-07-11 10:08:16] Mr Blue : Jj4REAL: doesn't matter to me at the moment mate, I'm on x5 so liquidation isn't till $540 + I'd buy more before I allowed it to reach that lol
[2016-07-11 10:09:12] Jj4REAL : ok ETH i need you to fukn die now.. plz
[2016-07-11 10:09:52] Jj4REAL : DIEEEEE\
[2016-07-11 10:12:51] Mr Blue : Lol ye all way down to LTC price!!
[2016-07-11 10:24:09] Jj4REAL : the JJ contrarian eth indicator recommends buy eth now.
[2016-07-11 10:35:51] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 1 @ 0.01614 :punch: :whale:
[2016-07-11 10:39:35] ax : btc bouncing, get your fomos out
[2016-07-11 10:42:19] macios15 : huobi adam eve bottom
[2016-07-11 10:42:45] elmorte : chat censor broken?
[2016-07-11 10:42:52] elmorte : huobi
[2016-07-11 10:43:07] elmorte : fuck
[2016-07-11 10:43:13] elmorte : lol...
[2016-07-11 10:43:49] ggwp : huobi
[2016-07-11 10:44:05] ggwp : maybe huobobbu filed a lawsuit!?
[2016-07-11 10:44:14] elmorte : okcoin
[2016-07-11 10:44:22] ggwp : okcoin
[2016-07-11 10:44:28] elmorte : Maybe it need to be capital Huobi
[2016-07-11 10:44:31] elmorte : nope
[2016-07-11 10:44:41] macios15 : lol
[2016-07-11 10:45:01] macios15 : okcoin
[2016-07-11 10:45:11] ggwp : bitfinex
[2016-07-11 10:45:20] ggwp : quoine
[2016-07-11 10:45:30] elmorte : Whoa....Sam works in mysterious ways
[2016-07-11 10:45:41] ggwp : :O
[2016-07-11 10:45:43] elmorte : I don't think quione was ever censored haha, seeing as they work together
[2016-07-11 10:45:57] ax : why would huobi be censored?
[2016-07-11 10:46:20] ggwp : ax: direct competition
[2016-07-11 10:46:20] elmorte : you didn't hear?
[2016-07-11 10:46:38] ggwp : elmorte: how does that work?
[2016-07-11 10:47:19] elmorte : Quoine? Their index is used for JPY
[2016-07-11 10:49:56] ggwp : yeah, but thats not exactly "working together"
[2016-07-11 10:50:46] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 30 @ 0.01613
[2016-07-11 10:53:35] elmorte : There's more to it than that obviously... https://coinreport.net/bitmex-quoine-partner-to-launch-bitcoinyen-futures-contract/
[2016-07-11 11:04:19] elmorte : LSK dumping :/
[2016-07-11 11:05:11] jung1 : Eth to 0.01
[2016-07-11 11:06:21] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 120 @ 0.01607
[2016-07-11 11:16:04] elmorte : jung1: hope so, wanna get in cheap
[2016-07-11 11:38:44] Jj4REAL : the short squeeze is gonna sting when in comes though
[2016-07-11 11:40:16] Jj4REAL : 200K shorts from .017 in finex
[2016-07-11 11:40:54] Tetsuo : Jj4REAL: cut your losses, ETH is gonna collapse
[2016-07-11 11:41:14] Jj4REAL : but the shorts will have to close somehow
[2016-07-11 11:41:32] Tetsuo : sure most of them will close@0.01
[2016-07-11 11:43:00] Jj4REAL : hah i already did; im short now too, but so scared for the bounce
[2016-07-11 11:46:53] Jj4REAL : 100K buys goes back to 0.025
[2016-07-11 11:55:34] Jj4REAL : all those limit buys not getting filled will switch to market orders pretty quick
[2016-07-11 11:59:16] Jj4REAL : and 40K sells in the last 30 minutes are now insta rekd
[2016-07-11 11:59:55] Tetsuo : Jj4REAL: my spidey senses tell me that you will probably get slaughtered
[2016-07-11 12:00:25] Jj4REAL : tight stop
[2016-07-11 12:02:29] Roevenger : Jj4REAL: the market didn't have enough bulls to make it rise when it tried to break the triangle. I doubt the are more bulls now that it's falling
[2016-07-11 12:15:52] macios15 : we gona crash soon
[2016-07-11 12:18:28] ax : crash upwards you mean
[2016-07-11 12:19:16] Mr Blue : Lol
[2016-07-11 12:27:51] dogehookers : Hi BitMex! I don't understand XBTUSDPI formula. Earlier it was easy : bitfinex USD lending rate minux bitfinex BTC lending rate. Now I can't find any exact definition on the site. Two weeks in a row I PAY interest being SHORT on XBTUSD. But afaik I should RECEIVE interest in more risky asset e.g. bitcoin. Okcoin's futures have positive basis (contango) and I assumed that swap premium should be positive too. Why is it negative?
[2016-07-11 12:34:27] BitMEX_Arthur : dogehookers: https://www.bitmex.com/app/swapsGuide
[2016-07-11 12:34:36] BitMEX_Arthur : please read that for more details
[2016-07-11 12:43:14] dogehookers : BitMEX_Arthur: The Funding Base Index is a third party source where BitMEX obtains the base currency funding rate. The Funding Quote Index is a third party source where BitMEX obtains the quote currency funding rate. What is exactly a) Funding Base Index b) Funding Quote Index I can't find the definition on "swapsGuide".
[2016-07-11 13:03:34] BitMEX_Arthur : https://www.bitmex.com/app/contract/XBTUSD
[2016-07-11 13:03:44] BitMEX_Arthur : Please take a look at the contract description
[2016-07-11 13:07:33] lockhedge : `Funding Rate = .USDBON8H - .XBTBON8H` `.XBTUSDPI = Funding Rate + ( Max(0, Impact Bid Price - Mark Price) - Max(0, Mark Price - Impact Ask Price) ) / Spot Price`
[2016-07-11 13:14:17] TF : BitMEX_Arthur: Hey Arthur, does Bitmex plans to have more futures contracts for more maturities like XBTU16? I mean, for october, november and december?
[2016-07-11 13:15:37] jung1 : What is the point if we have perpetual xbt?
[2016-07-11 13:15:52] jung1 : Its up to you when you close it
[2016-07-11 13:17:24] Mr Blue : jung1: maybe to short well your long on the same exchange, but if I do that I use yen market lol
[2016-07-11 13:18:08] ggwp : Mr Blue: why not another account?
[2016-07-11 13:18:32] TF : because there are different instruments, one is linear in usd, the other is non linear
[2016-07-11 13:19:31] Mr Blue : ggwp: I never bothered, it's allowed but I just use yen market for now, i've too many accounts already anyways
[2016-07-11 13:20:43] jung1 : Mr Blue: yen market is good for me on last days
[2016-07-11 13:21:00] Mr Blue : jung1: cool
[2016-07-11 13:22:09] ggwp : Mr Blue: too many accounts in general?
[2016-07-11 13:22:39] Mr Blue : ggwp: ye on other places, an cba adding to the book lol long story
[2016-07-11 13:22:59] ggwp : an cba?
[2016-07-11 13:24:29] Mr Blue : Can't be arsed
[2016-07-11 13:25:26] ggwp : aha :)
[2016-07-11 13:25:37] ggwp : adding to the book of accounts?
[2016-07-11 13:25:45] Mr Blue : Ye
[2016-07-11 13:26:20] ggwp : you keep a written record?
[2016-07-11 13:26:34] jung1 : Instal a keypass
[2016-07-11 13:26:48] Mr Blue : ggwp: possibly ?
[2016-07-11 13:26:49] ggwp : ^this
[2016-07-11 13:27:01] ggwp : what jung said
[2016-07-11 13:27:10] ggwp : much more comfortable
[2016-07-11 13:27:27] ggwp : but only an open source one
[2016-07-11 13:27:41] Mr Blue : In any event I'm happy to use yen market so far, but might make an extra account here at some point
[2016-07-11 13:27:58] ggwp : keepass is fine
[2016-07-11 13:28:24] ggwp : two accounts - one for scalps one for longer-term trades on polo work fine
[2016-07-11 13:28:58] ggwp : I'm worried about the new EU AML laws
[2016-07-11 13:29:10] ggwp : I like my pseudoanonymity
[2016-07-11 13:29:16] Mr Blue : ggwp: I have other exchange accounts ?
[2016-07-11 13:29:39] ggwp : Mr Blue: I assume you do
[2016-07-11 13:30:13] ggwp : but you brits are set :D
[2016-07-11 13:30:28] ggwp : any tangible effect of thr brexit yet?
[2016-07-11 13:30:39] ggwp : visible/tangible
[2016-07-11 13:30:49] ggwp : *the
[2016-07-11 13:45:43] Mr Blue : Not really apart from GBP is down against the Euro an Bitcoin lol, but they'll still hit the UK bank customers an limit or take their money, once done with some other European countries... maybe the UK will try forget the deal where Germany gets industry and we get service sector, now the currency is down the EU could buy from our factories once again if we rebuild.
[2016-07-11 13:47:07] Mr Blue : The world even ?
[2016-07-11 13:47:33] Mr Blue : Though we still can't compete with Chinese inflation lol
[2016-07-11 13:51:58] Mr Blue : All these stupid grannies that voted out, can now enjoy more expensive holidays to Spain lol, not that I believe we didn't go out for a reason or they wouldn't of allowed the vote to swing that was
[2016-07-11 13:52:02] Mr Blue : Way
[2016-07-11 13:53:43] ax : lets go, get yet buys in
[2016-07-11 14:48:16] fineregex : BitMEX_Arthur: my withdrawal didnt happen >.< ?
[2016-07-11 14:50:26] BitMEX_Wally : fineregex: You need to confirm the withdrawal by clicking the link in the email within 30 minutes or else it gets canceled
[2016-07-11 15:02:04] Jj4REAL : anyone notice what happened last time there were 500K eth shorts open on finex?
[2016-07-11 15:02:28] fineregex : yes:)
[2016-07-11 15:02:44] fineregex : @ Jj4REAL
[2016-07-11 15:04:23] fineregex : BitMEX_Wally: thought i did. Why isnt the 24 hour rule for big withdrawals only. Small withdrawals automatic, medium size 2 employees comfirm x times per day. - Or account setting to opt-in for automatic on my own risks...
[2016-07-11 15:05:01] BitMEX_Sam : fineregex: That's something we've discussed internally but any hot wallet whatsoever opens up the exchange to a high amount of risk
[2016-07-11 15:05:07] fineregex : BitMEX_Wally: it should be more often than the funding period too allow heding....
[2016-07-11 15:05:24] BitMEX_Sam : If we have more development bandwidth in the future we will add a small hot, but it will take some time to get the kill switches & notifications in place to ensure it is safe
[2016-07-11 15:06:02] fineregex : mhh:)
[2016-07-11 15:06:16] fineregex : thanks
[2016-07-11 15:11:29] Jj4REAL : fineregex: hope im right, already about 50K shorts in the red
[2016-07-11 15:11:55] fineregex : it is not possible to see longs right?
[2016-07-11 15:12:13] fineregex : only guess from the total 40 million usd
[2016-07-11 15:12:16] Jj4REAL : nah just looking at the price action around the bottom
[2016-07-11 15:55:24] jung1 : https://dwq4do82y8xi7.cloudfront.net/x/9pxBYpJp/ there is now support till 6-7 euro for eth
[2016-07-11 16:26:45] BitMEX_Sam : Anyone here on ItBit? A lot of anecdotal reports of account hackings, even with 2FA
[2016-07-11 16:26:48] BitMEX_Sam : https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/4s5jr8/psa_attackers_bruteforcing_logins_on_bitcoin/
[2016-07-11 16:31:36] Rado : wow
[2016-07-11 16:31:47] Rado : BitMEX_Sam: looks like itBit handle it OK
[2016-07-11 16:32:23] Rado : please do not change the withdrawal policies here
[2016-07-11 16:32:34] Rado : I know users complain, but they don't know what's good for them
[2016-07-11 16:32:53] Rado : I am fine waiting 12 hr
[2016-07-11 16:33:02] BitMEX_Sam : It has already helped us catch one bad withdrawal this week.
[2016-07-11 16:33:15] Rado : actually I am considering moving more of my BTC in here because it's safer than other exchanges
[2016-07-11 16:33:26] Rado : that's nice BitMEX_Sam
[2016-07-11 16:36:16] Rado : BitMEX_Sam: Bitstamp volume is getting lower
[2016-07-11 16:36:28] Rado : could it be replaced with another exchange like itBit
[2016-07-11 16:37:02] jung1 : of bitmex
[2016-07-11 16:38:08] Rado : actually itBit already part of Kaiko looks like
[2016-07-11 16:38:53] jung1 : there was huge shitstorm about bitlicence around
[2016-07-11 16:39:05] jung1 : and itbit bought that
[2016-07-11 16:39:13] jung1 : now its biggest bitcoin exchange
[2016-07-11 16:39:17] jung1 : by volume
[2016-07-11 16:40:50] Rado : Kimdotcom: I'll be the first tech billionaire who got indicted, lost everything and created another billion $ tech company while on bail.
[2016-07-11 16:41:48] jung1 : possible
[2016-07-11 16:44:47] jung1 : Rado: what about p2p futures exchange running on lisk?
[2016-07-11 16:45:49] Rado : jung1: there is BitSquare already
[2016-07-11 16:45:57] Rado : but everything is possible :-)
[2016-07-11 16:46:58] jung1 : https://poloniex.com/exchange#eth_lsk
[2016-07-11 16:47:03] jung1 : eth down, lisk up
[2016-07-11 16:53:36] nip : @BitMex your market maker for China A50 backed out?
[2016-07-11 16:53:58] BitMEX_Sam : nip: Possibly, let me check with them
[2016-07-11 16:54:18] nip : he hasnt posted quotes since the july contract has listed
[2016-07-11 16:54:40] nip : seems like im the only one interested in trading it. i think it is a very interesting product
[2016-07-11 16:55:29] BitMEX_Sam : Looks like he's still active, just smaller size than before
[2016-07-11 16:57:10] BitMEX_Greg : nip: just buzz any of us if you would like to get a quote from
[2016-07-11 16:57:19] BitMEX_Greg : the market maker
[2016-07-11 17:14:06] jung1 : there is eth dump in the air
[2016-07-11 17:21:18] rapidtrades : this is great, yuan new lows and is oil yet there is 0 risk aversion
[2016-07-11 17:21:39] rapidtrades : you'd think at least the media will try to keep its story straight
[2016-07-11 17:21:55] rapidtrades : they've been pushing the china and oil fear trades all year
[2016-07-11 17:23:01] rapidtrades : not to mention the brexit fiasco that hardly made any long-term impact outside uk
[2016-07-11 18:37:58] lockhedge : Swiss investment bank Vontobel is launching a BTC/USD exchange traded certificate this week https://derinet.vontobel.ch/PDF_TS/CH0327606114e.pdf
[2016-07-11 18:41:56] rapidtrades : noone cares
[2016-07-11 18:50:10] Adura : That noone guy gets around.
[2016-07-11 18:54:21] rapidtrades : http://news.forexlive.com/!/japan-govt-to-lower-2016-growth-forecasts-nikkei-20160711 LOL
[2016-07-11 19:06:05] macios15 : its geting tight movement soon
[2016-07-11 19:07:58] rapidtrades : bitcoin?
[2016-07-11 19:08:19] aethlios : triangle concludes in 15 of july.
[2016-07-11 19:08:53] macios15 : i mean 5-10 dolars not that big one
[2016-07-11 19:10:11] aethlios : macios15: I believe is a continuation triangle, will go to 800 again.
[2016-07-11 19:10:53] aethlios : maybe a fake break below to 620 to get out weak hands, and then strong up 2 days move to 800.
[2016-07-11 19:18:02] jung1 : Any opinion about eth?
[2016-07-11 19:21:53] rullwull : jung1: do some smart contract apps on etherium, but do not invest in eth)
[2016-07-11 19:24:42] rullwull : on my opinion etherium wouldn't survive
[2016-07-11 19:24:59] rullwull : lisk is not the option as well
[2016-07-11 19:25:21] rullwull : i would love to see smart contracts on bitcoin blockchain
[2016-07-11 19:30:15] jung1 : Check colu
[2016-07-11 19:30:20] jung1 : Colored coins
[2016-07-11 19:31:13] rullwull : will check
[2016-07-11 19:32:12] rullwull : btw heard some rumors that chinese are gonna upgrade LTC and add smart contracts, will try to find this link
[2016-07-11 19:44:04] odieoh : Anyone here invest in Augur during the IPO?
[2016-07-11 19:44:23] odieoh : Or crowdsale or whatever you want to call it
[2016-07-11 19:45:58] zanza : nop
[2016-07-11 19:46:40] Roevenger : aethlios: if it breaks down it won't be fake for sure
[2016-07-11 19:53:40] rapidtrades : how can 'the chinese' upgrade LTC?
[2016-07-11 19:56:53] rapidtrades : it will be interesting to see if the PBOC replies to Japns stimulus with lower yuan
[2016-07-11 19:57:03] rapidtrades : they're crazy enought to do it imo
[2016-07-11 19:57:28] justinlooking : by writing code and achieving consensus, not sure what u mean
[2016-07-11 19:57:38] rullwull : rapidtrades: someone will code upgrade for network and miners will accept it
[2016-07-11 19:57:47] rapidtrades : k
[2016-07-11 19:58:11] rapidtrades : i don't follow crypto fundamentals, it al bullshit
[2016-07-11 19:59:23] rapidtrades : so when do we sell shether
[2016-07-11 20:02:04] justinlooking : next fomopeaktober
[2016-07-11 20:04:55] ggwp : sentiment in here?
[2016-07-11 20:05:04] ggwp : boolish?
[2016-07-11 20:06:49] rapidtrades : yeah boolish
[2016-07-11 20:07:02] QuantFocus : true/false
[2016-07-11 20:14:21] fineregex : BitMEX_Greg: @BitMEX_Sam the entry price of my eth long is calculated all wrong
[2016-07-11 20:14:35] fineregex : by 0.00672 / 40%
[2016-07-11 20:14:49] fineregex : http://imgur.com/dKVNmKt
[2016-07-11 20:14:52] fineregex : please fix it
[2016-07-11 20:16:36] odieoh : have you had an open position for a long time?
[2016-07-11 20:16:41] fineregex : according to the Fills tab
[2016-07-11 20:17:05] odieoh : If it's been open and you've been buying and selling, what shows is basically the average for all time
[2016-07-11 20:17:14] BitMEX_Greg : fineregex: Can you please create a support ticket and I'll forward it to Sam/ Wally to take a look deeper into the engine for you.
[2016-07-11 20:17:46] fineregex : odieoh: yes but 100% of the fill prices are 0.01
[2016-07-11 20:17:53] fineregex : BitMEX_Greg: nooo just look at the picture ;)
[2016-07-11 20:18:35] fineregex : i want eth for 0.01 ;)
[2016-07-11 20:21:40] BitMEX_Greg : We would all love ETH to be 0.01, I think what you have is just a rounding display unfortunately
[2016-07-11 20:22:01] fineregex : yes 3 diggits :(
[2016-07-11 20:22:05] fineregex : :'(
[2016-07-11 20:23:04] BitMEX_Wally : The order history tab shows the correct fill price
[2016-07-11 20:23:22] BitMEX_Wally : but not the fills tab, we will fix the
[2016-07-11 20:23:25] BitMEX_Wally : this
[2016-07-11 20:25:34] BitMEX_Greg : It appears correct in the .csv downloadable file however if you want to check your fills there.
[2016-07-11 20:26:20] QuantFocus : BitMEX_Wally: is there a simple method to determine the impact of open orders on total balance, margin, and margin call price?
[2016-07-11 20:26:30] QuantFocus : if those orders were to be filled, that is
[2016-07-11 20:26:33] fineregex : BitMEX_Wally: yes "Fills is nicer than scrolling over 100 canceled orders in order history.
[2016-07-11 20:27:05] fineregex : BitMEX_Greg: Why dont they date back longer than 24 hours, at least when maximized or so
[2016-07-11 20:28:03] BitMEX_Wally : QuantFocus: If you are on 50x then when the order is filled 2% of the gross value of the position will be locked out of available balance
[2016-07-11 20:28:20] BitMEX_Sam : fineregex: Use the Trade History if you want to go farther back
[2016-07-11 20:28:40] QuantFocus : BitMEX_Wally: sure sure. just a touch difficult when trading multiple instruments with various margin requirements
[2016-07-11 20:28:58] BitMEX_Wally : We are working on adding a what-if calculator that will help simplify this
[2016-07-11 20:28:59] QuantFocus : i can aggregate them, but still curious on the ultimate impact on my margin call price
[2016-07-11 20:29:42] QuantFocus : look forward to seeing that. trying to manage my risk appropriately
[2016-07-11 20:30:30] BitMEX_Wally : If you are on cross margin for a position then the liquidation price is calculated by assuming all other prices stay the same, what price must this position go to to lose all that
[2016-07-11 20:31:09] QuantFocus : BitMEX_Wally: but it doesn't incorporate the impact of open orders filling, correct?
[2016-07-11 20:31:17] QuantFocus : only the current position
[2016-07-11 20:31:29] BitMEX_Wally : If you have an open order it locks out 2% (say) initial margin
[2016-07-11 20:31:34] BitMEX_Wally : When the order is filled, that position then locks out 2%
[2016-07-11 20:31:52] BitMEX_Wally : So the available balance does not change by it being filled
[2016-07-11 20:32:28] Rado : BTC really stuck
[2016-07-11 20:32:34] QuantFocus : oh, that's great. so is it safe to say that a displayed margin call price already includes the open orders?
[2016-07-11 20:32:54] BitMEX_Wally : Yes
[2016-07-11 20:33:03] QuantFocus : perfect, thanks much :smile:
[2016-07-11 20:33:04] jung1 : Rado: will eth hold 16?
[2016-07-11 20:33:19] Rado : I don't think so
[2016-07-11 20:33:31] Rado : my bot is short sonI am biased :)
[2016-07-11 20:34:29] jung1 : BitMEX_Wally: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J4KhPcZ9QLY great feature with moving order by hand on chart
[2016-07-11 20:34:39] jung1 : consider it!
[2016-07-11 20:49:48] jung1 : well bulls fighting on eth
[2016-07-11 20:56:55] fineregex : jung1: USD 5million short orders to close on bitfinex alone
[2016-07-11 21:03:51] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETHXBT`: Buy 13 @ 0.01630
[2016-07-11 21:04:40] jung1 : breakout?
[2016-07-11 21:13:55] Roevenger : china doesn't agree
[2016-07-11 21:14:19] jung1 : http://i.imgur.com/MJln5C1.png
[2016-07-11 21:14:59] Roevenger : 0.0055 lol
[2016-07-11 21:15:11] Roevenger : there will be people dying because of this
[2016-07-11 21:15:29] jung1 : I love the blood on the markets
[2016-07-11 21:15:42] jung1 : unless its mine
[2016-07-11 21:31:50] Tetsuo : BUY ALL THE CRYPTO! TO THE OORT CLOUD!
[2016-07-11 21:32:41] fineregex : jung1: who made the picture
[2016-07-11 21:33:14] Mr Blue : What you guys thinking about this pennant indication?
[2016-07-11 21:36:03] Mr Blue : http://www.marketwatch.com/story/why-bitcoin-is-on-the-verge-of-a-breakout-in-one-chart-2016-07-11
[2016-07-11 21:42:44] odieoh : 15 min BBands squeezing up on finex
[2016-07-11 21:42:56] odieoh : Something's gonna give up or down
[2016-07-11 21:44:03] Mr Blue : odieoh: good been too stable for my liking last few hours
[2016-07-11 22:11:51] REKT : Liquidated long on `FCTXBT`: Sell 40 @ 0.002168
[2016-07-11 22:17:15] odieoh : mr blue I agree. Trouble's a brewing for somebody. Hopefully not me.
[2016-07-11 22:23:38] jung1 : fineregex: I found it on reddit
[2016-07-11 22:24:14] jung1 : Hmm looks like eth want to change trend
[2016-07-11 23:00:14] rapidtrades : oh good 15 min charts
[2016-07-11 23:01:15] rapidtrades : anyone trading fx here
[2016-07-11 23:06:50] ggwp : smells like moontime
[2016-07-11 23:08:57] jung1 : Btc?
[2016-07-11 23:10:15] ggwp : yeah
[2016-07-11 23:10:29] ggwp : unless china pulling our legs - again
[2016-07-11 23:18:39] Roevenger : I think the problem is lack of buyers mixed with uncertainty. It's almost like the market is waiting for some news piece to react
[2016-07-11 23:19:48] ggwp : sexy fractal
[2016-07-11 23:19:55] ggwp : important one too
[2016-07-11 23:20:05] ggwp : high tf
[2016-07-11 23:20:14] ggwp : tell me if you find it ;)
[2016-07-11 23:20:23] ggwp : hint: ron
[2016-07-11 23:20:44] boolander : apart from more leverage. shouldn't the new marginal buyers already have pushed btc to moon?
[2016-07-11 23:20:55] boolander : don't forget. people are broke
[2016-07-11 23:21:06] boolander : putting $700 in bitcoin or paying your rent is real
[2016-07-11 23:29:08] boolander : but, i'm probably wrong. some other catalyst will push btc to the ATHs
[2016-07-11 23:29:30] boolander : alien invasion
[2016-07-11 23:32:23] rapidtrades : boolander: so about that yen...
[2016-07-11 23:33:31] aethlios : a lot of articles at seekingalpha.com for btc,
[2016-07-11 23:35:03] rapidtrades : noone cares
[2016-07-11 23:35:10] rapidtrades : everyone knows about bitcoin
[2016-07-11 23:35:48] rapidtrades : well everyone on the internet
[2016-07-11 23:36:56] Roevenger : not really, people ignore it
[2016-07-11 23:37:22] Roevenger : I say that because in 2009 I saw a few news about it and I completely ignored it
[2016-07-11 23:40:42] rapidtrades : then they'll ignore it
[2016-07-11 23:41:28] boolander : JPY nice moves on, yet again, more stimulus. this was all the fast-money front-running the actual announcement cause like pavlov's dogs that's all they know
[2016-07-11 23:42:12] boolander : not to say kuroda-san and the bernanke can't do one final currency destruction hoo-rah
[2016-07-11 23:48:13] rapidtrades : that stimulus is fiscal not monetary tho, why should the yen weaken
[2016-07-11 23:50:03] rapidtrades : noone is talking about this, i've been f5 forex sites all day and everyone is pretending not to see today's giant move in the yen
[2016-07-11 23:50:42] aethlios : Yes all deep pockets know btc, buffet, gates etc. but don't buy yet. I guess the elite will buy all together or noone. But smart money already drived gold 30% up in 2016. (silver, btc also)
[2016-07-11 23:51:18] rapidtrades : how do u know its 'smart money'
[2016-07-11 23:51:25] rapidtrades : maybe its just panicked money
[2016-07-11 23:52:01] rapidtrades : was the smart money in government bonds for the past 30 years?
[2016-07-11 23:53:05] aethlios : rapidtrades: that's why they are smart, they panic first watching 10 year bund and 10 year Japanese bond negative. All old bonds are reinvested in negative yields.
[2016-07-11 23:53:49] aethlios : when you have 1 billion and negative bond rates where you go to keep having that billion??
[2016-07-11 23:54:03] rapidtrades : bonds
[2016-07-11 23:54:45] rapidtrades : US bonds are still positive
[2016-07-11 23:55:56] rapidtrades : besides gold has costs for trading or storage that will likely offset the small hit from negative rates
[2016-07-11 23:56:36] rapidtrades : if u want to long gold, u pay carry...if u want to buy physical there are storage and securty costs
[2016-07-11 23:58:22] rapidtrades : even CHF bonds are not a bad deal if u think the currency will appreciate more then the negative rate
[2016-07-11 23:59:24] aethlios : rapidtrades: 5 year bund -0.65%, what if -2% or -3%? also in order to find positive yield you go very long term. gold has since 1971 a 8.3% nominal return, so you can cover a deposit box cost of 400 usd per year in a swiss bank.
[2016-07-11 23:59:56] rapidtrades : that's simply not true, gold per annum is closer to 3%
[2016-07-12 00:00:02] aethlios : BTC has no storage fees at least.
[2016-07-12 00:00:14] rapidtrades : btc could half over night
[2016-07-12 00:01:04] rapidtrades : historically even 6 month treasury bills were a better investment then gold
[2016-07-12 00:01:44] rapidtrades : back when rates and inflation weren't at 0
[2016-07-12 00:03:06] rapidtrades : i have a hard time believing this is the end for QQQQQQEE123456789 because I've been hearing that story since 2009
[2016-07-12 00:03:36] aethlios : rapidtrades: from 35 usd to 1370 usd in 45 years is 3% annual??
[2016-07-12 00:04:32] rapidtrades : it's prolly factoring in inflation
[2016-07-12 00:04:39] rapidtrades : lemme check
[2016-07-12 00:06:23] Rado : sup guys
[2016-07-12 00:06:42] Rado : back and I see it's the same as when I left 8 hr ago
[2016-07-12 00:07:04] rapidtrades : yea its shit
[2016-07-12 00:07:43] odieoh : Its the same as when you left 28 hours ago as well
[2016-07-12 00:08:34] Rado : lol
[2016-07-12 00:08:44] Rado : I made a couple of scalps
[2016-07-12 00:08:47] odieoh : Bitcoin is trolling us all; it will now become the world's most stable currency, trading between 647-650 forever
[2016-07-12 00:08:58] Rado : he he
[2016-07-12 00:09:37] Rado : “We don’t know who will take responsibility for reducing Japanese government debt” - Mitsubishi Research Institute.
[2016-07-12 00:11:23] rapidtrades : aethlios: 3% is real, nominal was over 7%
[2016-07-12 00:12:14] rapidtrades : also TIPS not 6-month bills were a better investment then gold
[2016-07-12 00:13:49] aethlios : rapidtrades: we talk nominal, dow 830 to 18220 with C.B. pumping a 6.8% annual yield, +2% dividend then 8.8%, but dow in ATH, if count gold ATH in 2011 had a 10% annually compounted return.
[2016-07-12 00:14:30] rapidtrades : like i said nominal is over 7%
[2016-07-12 00:15:46] aethlios : I am long 5.000 eth in bitmex and short 5000 eth in finex earning 0.5% to 1% daily interest, I hope for a down move to 0.005 to keep the discount.
[2016-07-12 00:15:58] Rado : how much is BTC from 2009 to 2016?
[2016-07-12 00:16:20] rapidtrades : idk over 10,000%?
[2016-07-12 00:16:29] rapidtrades : a million?
[2016-07-12 00:16:37] rapidtrades : it started from 0 so
[2016-07-12 00:16:39] aethlios : infinite
[2016-07-12 00:17:16] rapidtrades : prolly over 6000% if we take 0.01 as a starting point
[2016-07-12 00:18:05] aethlios : rapidtrades: you math is wrong, 6,5 mil %
[2016-07-12 00:18:10] rapidtrades : 2010 or 2011 would be a better starting point imo
[2016-07-12 00:18:54] rapidtrades : it would be hilarious if yen reversed everything today..i would LOL so hard
[2016-07-12 00:19:21] Rado : Venezuela Seizes Local Kimberly-Clark Factory
[2016-07-12 00:19:38] rapidtrades : wtf....i thought they had a more normal gov now
[2016-07-12 00:19:50] rapidtrades : guess the commies still have the presidency
[2016-07-12 00:20:28] aethlios : any gragh of btc/bolivar price??
[2016-07-12 00:22:58] Rado : lol, that will be funny
[2016-07-12 00:24:27] rapidtrades : from 0.83 to $648 77972%
[2016-07-12 00:25:04] rapidtrades : how much is that per annum since 2011
[2016-07-12 00:25:48] Rado : http://fx-rate.net/VEB/BTC/
[2016-07-12 00:26:29] Rado : http://fx-rate.net/BTC/VEB/#graph
[2016-07-12 00:26:53] Rado : from 22 to 71000
[2016-07-12 00:28:15] jung1 : damn
[2016-07-12 00:30:49] jung1 : there will be some sidewalk on eth
[2016-07-12 00:30:56] jung1 : 16 seems unbreakable
[2016-07-12 00:30:57] rapidtrades : a sharp chinese deval to stick it to the japs?
[2016-07-12 00:31:05] rapidtrades : one can hope :)
[2016-07-12 00:31:34] Rado : jung1: 2H BB band opened up now so there is space to fall now
[2016-07-12 00:31:42] rapidtrades : oh good
[2016-07-12 00:31:46] rapidtrades : the 2h chart
[2016-07-12 00:32:27] Rado : My bot trades on the 2H tick
[2016-07-12 00:32:38] Rado : that's why I am following it
[2016-07-12 00:32:39] rapidtrades : im sure it does
[2016-07-12 00:33:03] Rado : I tested all periods and this gave me the best results for some reason
[2016-07-12 00:33:18] Rado : 4h was also OK
[2016-07-12 00:33:19] rapidtrades : best results since when
[2016-07-12 00:33:29] Rado : since Jan 2016
[2016-07-12 00:34:17] rapidtrades : pffft
[2016-07-12 00:34:38] rapidtrades : u mean a 2h chart gave u good results during a strong bull market
[2016-07-12 00:34:41] rapidtrades : u don't say
[2016-07-12 00:35:15] Rado : it made the best profit since the downtrend from 0.034
[2016-07-12 00:35:28] rapidtrades : oh eth
[2016-07-12 00:35:43] Rado : 2016-07-11 17:00 Current balance: 21.15568206 BTC | Initial balance: 1.00000000 2016-07-11 17:00 Buy and Hold (P/L): 640.43% 2016-07-11 17:00 Bot (P/L): 2015.57%
[2016-07-12 00:35:59] rapidtrades : :)
[2016-07-12 00:36:25] Rado : not bad for my first bot
[2016-07-12 00:36:31] Rado : working on two more
[2016-07-12 00:36:33] Rado : one is BTC
[2016-07-12 00:36:38] Rado : but to lazy
[2016-07-12 00:36:52] Rado : only spending a few hours per week
[2016-07-12 00:37:21] rapidtrades : those are the figure for the historical backtest tho right
[2016-07-12 00:37:53] Rado : right
[2016-07-12 00:38:10] Rado : here is live
[2016-07-12 00:38:12] Rado : 2016-07-11 16:55 RADO Poloniex: Current position: -220.78512791 ETH @0.01618351 2016-07-11 16:55 RADO Poloniex: Unrealized P/L: 0.45% 2016-07-11 16:55 RADO Poloniex: Buy and Hold (P/L): -22.69% 2016-07-11 16:55 RADO Poloniex: Bot (P/L): 76.87%
[2016-07-12 00:38:15] rapidtrades : what type of system is it
[2016-07-12 00:38:24] rapidtrades : momentum or counter
[2016-07-12 00:38:35] Rado : momentum
[2016-07-12 00:38:53] rapidtrades : test it further back
[2016-07-12 00:39:22] Rado : when did ETH start?
[2016-07-12 00:39:39] rapidtrades : idk but u can test it on btc too
[2016-07-12 00:40:10] Rado : for some reason doesn't work good on BTC
[2016-07-12 00:40:17] rapidtrades : right
[2016-07-12 00:40:22] Rado : that is why I am creating a separate strategy for BTC
[2016-07-12 00:40:40] rapidtrades : that reason is eth had a huge rally then crash then another rally then another crash
[2016-07-12 00:41:00] rapidtrades : unprecedented volatility which will not last imo
[2016-07-12 00:41:06] Rado : yes
[2016-07-12 00:41:12] Rado : agree
[2016-07-12 00:41:30] Rado : will switch to LSK ;-)
[2016-07-12 00:41:46] Rado : but I am sure I can make on for BTC
[2016-07-12 00:42:00] Rado : will be way shorter period
[2016-07-12 00:42:02] rapidtrades : not on 2h charts
[2016-07-12 00:42:06] Rado : like 5 min or even 1 min tick
[2016-07-12 00:42:06] rapidtrades : nope
[2016-07-12 00:42:17] rapidtrades : not unless its market making
[2016-07-12 00:42:27] Rado : what do you think?
[2016-07-12 00:42:37] Rado : 30 min?
[2016-07-12 00:42:52] rapidtrades : momentum works better on longer charts, lower charts are better for mean reversion
[2016-07-12 00:43:25] rapidtrades : i doubt a 2h system will work for a long time on anything
[2016-07-12 00:44:30] rapidtrades : momentum system to be exact
[2016-07-12 00:44:58] Rado : right
[2016-07-12 00:45:13] Rado : why do you think 5 min will not work
[2016-07-12 00:45:16] Rado : commisions?
[2016-07-12 00:45:34] rapidtrades : also if u have a system that works well on what pair but not on others, u are likely curve fitting
[2016-07-12 00:45:54] rapidtrades : Rado: yes, that's a major factor because a momentum system will take liquidity
[2016-07-12 00:47:22] Rado : I was thinking the BTC bot to combine volume and technical indicators and only take a position when certain things are met
[2016-07-12 00:48:51] Rado : my first 5 min try was not very profitable
[2016-07-12 00:49:15] Rado : I think commissions of 0.2% ate 90% of the profit
[2016-07-12 00:49:43] Rado : so it needs bigger trends
[2016-07-12 00:51:08] Rado : Japanese Savers Flood Into Gold Fearing The Endgame Is Coming
[2016-07-12 00:53:16] Rado : later rapidtrades
[2016-07-12 00:53:25] Rado : good luck o n your Yen trades
[2016-07-12 00:53:38] rapidtrades : Rado: ahahaha, too late for luck but thanks
[2016-07-12 00:53:42] rapidtrades : im roadkill
[2016-07-12 00:54:38] Rado : look at this chart rapidtrades
[2016-07-12 00:54:39] Rado : https://twitter.com/zerohedge/status/752666803256557568
[2016-07-12 00:57:53] rapidtrades : good old zh :)
[2016-07-12 01:06:00] jung1 : eth already hi 16 five times
[2016-07-12 01:06:03] jung1 : hit
[2016-07-12 01:13:25] rapidtrades : Japan PM Abe is said to be meeting with Bernanke in Tokyo today
[2016-07-12 01:13:40] rapidtrades : LOOOOOL yen down 0.5% on that...and it was known before hand
[2016-07-12 01:13:49] rapidtrades : market is NUTS right now NU
[2016-07-12 01:13:53] rapidtrades : TS
[2016-07-12 01:16:00] rapidtrades : PBOC sets USD/CNY central rate at 6.6950 (vs. yesterday at 6.6843)
[2016-07-12 01:16:06] rapidtrades : not bad, a small weakening
[2016-07-12 01:16:24] rapidtrades : stops the trend of stability anyway
[2016-07-12 01:19:19] boolander : clockwork - pump after the fix
[2016-07-12 01:19:34] rapidtrades : yep
[2016-07-12 01:19:40] boolander : ssdd
[2016-07-12 01:20:06] rapidtrades : once 6.70 breaks there will be more volatility
[2016-07-12 01:20:16] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBJ24H`: Buy 8100 @ 66758.0