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[2016-07-06 09:28:35] jung1 : https://www.tradingview.com/chart/ETHBTC/Ae87fCu3-ETH/
[2016-07-06 09:28:38] jung1 : agree
[2016-07-06 09:29:13] boolander : ^what rapid said
[2016-07-06 09:30:15] jung1 : after 30 Sep there will be only Perpetual Swap x50 here?
[2016-07-06 09:32:35] jung1 : macios15: jestes?
[2016-07-06 09:32:43] macios15 : jung1: ta
[2016-07-06 09:33:02] jung1 : cho na irca
[2016-07-06 09:33:04] macios15 : jung1: elegancko szortuje :D
[2016-07-06 09:33:49] BitMEX_Arthur : jung1: We may offer longer expiries on the XBJ chain
[2016-07-06 09:34:26] jung1 : but what is the point if you can choose lavarage on perpetual?
[2016-07-06 09:35:00] BitMEX_Arthur : different underlyings
[2016-07-06 09:35:05] BitMEX_Arthur : one is XBTUSD one is XBTJPY
[2016-07-06 09:35:24] jung1 : oh right
[2016-07-06 09:35:32] jung1 : be prepared to add https://z.cash/ futures
[2016-07-06 09:39:40] Tetsuo : BTC is on the verge of collapse! Half BTC price + half BTC supply = gameover for miners. network about to implode! Be warned
[2016-07-06 09:39:47] Tetsuo : double loss
[2016-07-06 09:40:05] ayy_lmao : miners were mining at 300-400 months ago
[2016-07-06 09:41:01] jung1 : network willl not collapse
[2016-07-06 09:41:05] Tetsuo : it will carsh to 3-400 again, and miners will only have half of the BTC to sell to cover their costs!
[2016-07-06 09:41:08] ayy_lmao : if they could deal with it then, they can deal with it after halving
[2016-07-06 09:41:49] jung1 : diff will be lower so costs of minnig also
[2016-07-06 09:42:06] jung1 : satoshi was a smart guy
[2016-07-06 09:49:48] Tetsuo : chinese will crash BTC into the deepest tracts of hell and switch to ETH, already in progress http://www.coindesk.com/bitcoin-miners-ethereum/
[2016-07-06 09:50:36] fineregex : jung1: yes FUD, difficulty updates every 2 weeks or so @Tetsuo https://bitcoinwisdom.com/bitcoin/difficulty
[2016-07-06 09:51:51] Tetsuo : plz stop trying to shill young cryptoneers into the BTC ponzi
[2016-07-06 09:52:24] Mr Blue : Tetsuo: get out of here man, ETH is the biggest scam around
[2016-07-06 09:52:48] ayy_lmao : lol
[2016-07-06 09:54:05] Tetsuo : Centralization is the future! Anarchists, criminals, drug addicts, terrorists and perverts will learn it the hard way! Through their wallet
[2016-07-06 09:54:18] Mr Blue : Tetsuo: + how can the Chinese mine it when it's going PoS only soon and the only blocks found will be by the 80 million hidden pre-mine
[2016-07-06 09:54:30] ayy_lmao : ok good, i thought you were srs for a moment
[2016-07-06 09:54:48] Tetsuo : i am!
[2016-07-06 09:55:14] Tetsuo : time to wash the scum off the streets!
[2016-07-06 09:55:15] fineregex : are all of you professional trolls actually? :-O
[2016-07-06 09:57:13] jung1 : bitcoin is dead
[2016-07-06 09:57:20] Tetsuo : jung1: +1000
[2016-07-06 09:57:21] jung1 : its not dangerous
[2016-07-06 09:57:30] Tetsuo : jung1: plz stop trolling
[2016-07-06 09:57:47] jung1 : Im serious my whole life
[2016-07-06 09:58:13] Tetsuo : it is very dangerous! thousands of adolescents will lose everything they have. BTC is a plague
[2016-07-06 09:58:28] ayy_lmao : 2 spooky 4 me
[2016-07-06 09:59:08] Mr Blue : Tetsuo: lol I look forward to the day you lose everything with your scam bullshit,,, crypto gods Bitcoin to $2000 please
[2016-07-06 10:00:14] Tetsuo : Mr Blue: y are you mad at me? plz stop hating
[2016-07-06 10:01:34] Tetsuo : Don´t kill the messenger!
[2016-07-06 10:01:41] Mr Blue : Tetsuo: mad because if you attack Bitcoin you attack me sir, and clearly I'm not restarted and can see ETH is the biggest scam in over a 100 years
[2016-07-06 10:01:49] boolander : i'll have my jameson neat please
[2016-07-06 10:02:13] Mr Blue : Retarded **
[2016-07-06 10:02:19] Tetsuo : *handing it over to boolander
[2016-07-06 10:03:40] Tetsuo : Mr Blue: cut your losses before it´s too late. BTC won´t stop dissapointing you from now on! the scam party is over , from here on only lower lows!
[2016-07-06 10:05:05] Mr Blue : Tetsuo: sure buddy but my crystal balls says $2000 per Bitcoin by Christmas, we might drop but it won't last long.
[2016-07-06 10:05:08] Tetsuo : the bubble is about to burst, chinese will suck gladly every last penny out of you which you earned in your whole working life as burger flipper
[2016-07-06 10:06:09] Mr Blue : Lmao, I don't think so, go buy some more ETH it's good for you ?
[2016-07-06 10:06:29] Tetsuo : i have to leave, i can´t watch the upcoming crash, it makes me sad to see so many people suffering, goodbye friends
[2016-07-06 10:07:14] Tetsuo : PS: It´s lookin really bad for crypto 1.0!
[2016-07-06 10:10:24] fineregex : Tetsuo: why:)
[2016-07-06 10:26:17] investor : fineregex: its going down!!
[2016-07-06 10:26:46] fineregex : investor: who
[2016-07-06 10:26:57] investor : when every1 who put their $$$$$ into it are losing money nwill start to bad mouth and it will drop like a shite!!
[2016-07-06 10:27:21] investor : Bitcoins mate
[2016-07-06 10:27:42] fineregex : not right now
[2016-07-06 10:29:31] boolander : sell yer bitcoin and buy gold?
[2016-07-06 10:30:06] investor : sell your bitcoins and walk away....
[2016-07-06 10:30:09] fineregex : you know any nickel cfds?
[2016-07-06 10:30:48] boolander : walk away with fiat?
[2016-07-06 10:31:34] boolander : shouldn't you short bitcoin then?
[2016-07-06 10:31:52] fineregex : you can short okcoin 90 day future without leverage
[2016-07-06 10:32:02] fineregex : to lockin usd value +5%
[2016-07-06 10:32:13] fineregex : * ok -coin
[2016-07-06 10:32:47] boolander : shorting 1,000,000 bitcoin here might be tough given liquidity, yeah
[2016-07-06 10:37:53] RoftheN : Who would short THAT much bitcoin. Thats 1/21 of total supply.
[2016-07-06 10:39:09] boolander : sorry, XBT
[2016-07-06 10:39:51] jung1 : boolander: lets try
[2016-07-06 10:42:29] boolander : ;-)
[2016-07-06 10:54:55] jung1 : https://i.redd.it/i0uyr6ufoj7x.gif
[2016-07-06 11:53:41] laisee : RoftheN, jung1: 700000000 contracts IIRC
[2016-07-06 12:09:36] fineregex : shit i didnt expect my $1 bitcoin long to have a Liq. Price
[2016-07-06 12:12:49] BitMEX_Wally : If you go long 1x with XBTUSD and the price drops 50% then that is a 100% loss in XBT terms which is a 50% loss in USD terms
[2016-07-06 12:13:02] BitMEX_Wally : So a 1x long at 700 will have a liquidation price of 350
[2016-07-06 12:17:41] subjective : @BitMEX_Wally Do u need a licence to open a crypto finance product in HK?
[2016-07-06 12:18:44] subjective : BitMEX_Wally: How can 1x long have liquidation price? isn't that the same as buying 1 BTC on BFX?
[2016-07-06 12:19:08] fineregex : BitMEX_Wally: not serious since i am long x0.00....
[2016-07-06 12:19:32] BitMEX_Wally : subjective: Because XBTUSD is an inverse future. By going long XBTUSD you are actually going short USD with XBT as the margin currency
[2016-07-06 12:21:52] BitMEX_Wally : Of course, if we had USD as the margin currency then a 1x long of XBTUSD would have a liquidation price of 0
[2016-07-06 12:29:41] subjective : ah, are you guys going to open up more currency as collaterials? USD/ETH
[2016-07-06 12:30:45] subjective : BitMEX_Wally: What if I short BTC then? what is the liquidation price on 1x. It seems like never, where as 2x short has the same risk as 1x long.
[2016-07-06 12:30:57] subjective : 2x short gets liquidated when BTC price doubles
[2016-07-06 12:31:24] BitMEX_Wally : If you are 1x short XBTUSD then your liquidation price is Infinity
[2016-07-06 12:32:01] BitMEX_Wally : If you are 2x then your liquidation price is double your entry price
[2016-07-06 12:32:54] BitMEX_Wally : We are working on adding synthetic USD as a margin currency, and then we can support ETH/USD etc
[2016-07-06 12:36:07] BitMEX_Wally : https://www.bitmex.com/app/quantoVsInverse#inverse-contract-exposure-curves
[2016-07-06 12:36:48] subjective : BitMEX_Wally: did u guys need to get a finance licence in HK to operate?
[2016-07-06 12:37:18] subjective : BitMEX_Wally: many crypto startup seem to be based in HK (BFX, Bitmex, Gatecoin) for some reason
[2016-07-06 12:38:40] BitMEX_Wally : subjective: We operate from the Seychelles
[2016-07-06 12:39:05] BitMEX_Wally : Hong Kong Monetary Authority has declared Bitcoin to not be money (so they don't have to regulate it)
[2016-07-06 12:39:14] BitMEX_Wally : It is considered a virtual commodity
[2016-07-06 12:40:21] subjective : BitMEX_Wally: so if I register a HK entity to create a consumer friendly product let's say on top of Bitmex/BFX.. I can receive BTC without money/financial licence right
[2016-07-06 12:40:22] BitMEX_Wally : Gatecoin has a Money Service Operator license
[2016-07-06 12:41:06] subjective : BitMEX_Wally: u don't need a licence if u only handle BTC payment/payout right?
[2016-07-06 12:41:16] BitMEX_Wally : subjective: Yes, as far as I am aware
[2016-07-06 12:41:40] BitMEX_Wally : If you exchange value (i.e. USD vs XBT) or if you remit fiat you need a license
[2016-07-06 12:43:05] subjective : Thx heaps
[2016-07-06 12:43:32] BitMEX_Wally : BitMEX is a founding member of the Bitcoin Association of Hong Kong, let me know if you want us to put you in touch with anyone
[2016-07-06 12:43:44] BitMEX_Wally : There'a crypto-lawyer who takes Bitcoin as payment
[2016-07-06 12:47:58] subjective : BitMEX_Wally: Thanks man, I am a startup founder in Aus. I am trying to hack together a weekend product on the side to earn funding rate, there are so much potential there.
[2016-07-06 12:49:01] subjective : What is the best contact to discuss further info@bitmex?
[2016-07-06 12:50:22] subjective : RE: synthetic currency, are u guys going to use anything like USDT?
[2016-07-06 12:51:37] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETHXBT`: Buy 47 @ 0.01568
[2016-07-06 12:51:53] BitMEX_Greg : subjective: Heya where in Aus are you from?
[2016-07-06 12:52:06] subjective : Syd
[2016-07-06 12:52:38] BitMEX_Greg : I'm from Syd too, was just down there actually.
[2016-07-06 12:53:14] subjective : BitMEX_Greg: lol, let me know if u ever coming again. I started a co-working space here call HackerLabs
[2016-07-06 12:53:52] BitMEX_Greg : Oh nice, where is the space? I know a few guys looking for some co-working space now
[2016-07-06 12:54:13] subjective : really, Surry HIlls
[2016-07-06 12:54:36] subjective : it's for high-caliber hackers and creatives, 5 desks left
[2016-07-06 12:55:42] BitMEX_Greg : Ok cool, I'll let my friends know
[2016-07-06 12:56:13] subjective : admin@hackerlabs.com.au
[2016-07-06 12:56:47] subjective : I'd love some crypto guys in here. we have a few media, mobile, ecommerce startups
[2016-07-06 12:57:28] BitMEX_Greg : Have you reached out to any of the Australian exchanges or wallets?
[2016-07-06 12:58:30] subjective : not yet, still pretty new to the crypto scene here. been too a ETH meetup for free drink once
[2016-07-06 13:25:21] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 4 @ 0.01548 :punch: :whale:
[2016-07-06 15:12:49] ice-wl : Bitmex
[2016-07-06 15:13:06] BitMEX_Sam : Hey there
[2016-07-06 15:58:19] rapidtrades : not even 2 days of selling before the mindless buying starts
[2016-07-06 15:58:26] rapidtrades : this is some grade A bullshit
[2016-07-06 15:58:56] rapidtrades : that's how long riskoff lasts now....36 hrs
[2016-07-06 16:13:09] ice-wl : a
[2016-07-06 18:07:34] zanza : when the halving starts, will there be a huge drop in hash rate
[2016-07-06 18:07:47] zanza : will block be 20 minutes instead of 10 ?
[2016-07-06 18:09:05] zanza : rapidtrades: what is your forex calls ?
[2016-07-06 19:13:03] justinlooking : imo price would have to plummet for any significant amount of hash power to switch off
[2016-07-06 19:22:22] zanza : the halving is equivalent to half price bitcoin for miners
[2016-07-06 19:32:45] justinlooking : sure, for all the less efficient hashpower switching there will be as much or more efficient power switching on (again imo)
[2016-07-06 19:34:09] Skitrx : ooo where's it gonna go
[2016-07-06 19:34:11] Skitrx : http://i.imgur.com/YislHIc.jpg
[2016-07-06 21:00:54] Rado : Very boring right now
[2016-07-06 21:01:18] Rado : daily volatility down
[2016-07-06 21:01:32] Rado : calm before the storm?
[2016-07-06 21:06:07] Skitrx : starting to pick up for a bit
[2016-07-06 21:16:28] Skitrx : bitstamp had me worried for a sec
[2016-07-06 21:24:00] Avalanche : shakeout
[2016-07-06 21:24:11] BitMEX_Greg : Bitfinex starting to breakout
[2016-07-06 22:20:38] 1QaZxSw2 : seems to be a $3 premium over kaiko price
[2016-07-06 22:21:08] 1QaZxSw2 : why is mark price different from kaiko price
[2016-07-06 22:23:24] BitMEX_Greg : 1QaZxSw2: Just where the market is trading at right now. More buys than sells which is pushing the price up
[2016-07-06 22:23:55] 1QaZxSw2 : BitMEX_Greg: i meant why cant you use kaiko price as the mark price
[2016-07-06 22:24:52] BitMEX_Sam : We do, except there is a small amount of basis from the funding rate
[2016-07-06 22:26:23] BitMEX_Greg : 1QaZxSw2: yes apologies, misread your question. The mark price is reflective of the funding rate on top of the Kaiko price as per what Sam just wrote
[2016-07-06 22:48:47] 1QaZxSw2 : i see, thanks
[2016-07-06 22:58:49] Mrceaser : Hey guys do you notice something fishy going on with your trades?
[2016-07-06 22:59:26] BitMEX_Sam : Like what, Mrceaser?
[2016-07-06 23:01:37] QuantFocus : Mrceaser: Ya, mine are all making money. It's weird.
[2016-07-06 23:02:39] Mrceaser : I closed two trades with positive positions only to see both end up eroding my capital
[2016-07-06 23:02:44] Mrceaser : QuantFocus mine is the reverse
[2016-07-06 23:04:21] QuantFocus : I was just joking.
[2016-07-06 23:04:26] 1QaZxSw2 : Mrceaser: I've seen that a coupleof times, i think its the funding rate. whatever, there's a lot of variables in the way they compute P&L
[2016-07-06 23:04:46] 1QaZxSw2 : the ROE is not what you get when you close out
[2016-07-06 23:05:14] 1QaZxSw2 : check your sell price - buy price
[2016-07-06 23:05:16] QuantFocus : the roe is based on margin capital
[2016-07-06 23:06:59] 1QaZxSw2 : also your entry price changes on rebalance
[2016-07-06 23:12:06] Mrceaser : Its strange cos i have been trading on this platform for appreciable time now and this happened thrice this evening.
[2016-07-06 23:13:22] BitMEX_Sam : Keep an eye on your entry price; I can get into more detail but I'd need your permission to discuss your account
[2016-07-06 23:13:25] BitMEX_Sam : Otherwise we can continue via email
[2016-07-06 23:13:55] BitMEX_Sam : You can see your history at https://www.bitmex.com/app/tradeHistory
[2016-07-06 23:24:22] Speran49 : yeah i have a HUGE issue with my trade
[2016-07-06 23:25:17] Speran49 : realised pnl .8 xbt?
[2016-07-06 23:25:22] Mrceaser : @ Bitmex_Sam I have seen my history. I am clear about what happened but why it happened is my concern. I guess Speran49 has the same issues if I understand him well
[2016-07-06 23:25:31] Speran49 : well
[2016-07-06 23:25:38] Speran49 : my loss should have been small. 10% or so
[2016-07-06 23:25:48] Speran49 : but instead its 25%
[2016-07-06 23:25:56] Speran49 : i was on 15x margin and price only moved against me $10
[2016-07-06 23:26:09] Speran49 : yet rebalance show loss of 20%?
[2016-07-06 23:26:12] Speran49 : how the hell
[2016-07-06 23:26:35] Speran49 : this happened to me another time and it was crazy. I don't under stand how it can be so large
[2016-07-06 23:27:23] Speran49 : 7/06 you took .11 btc from me
[2016-07-06 23:27:25] BitMEX_Sam : Mrceaser: If you follow your entry and exit prices it is very clear.
[2016-07-06 23:27:46] BitMEX_Sam : Speran49: That's 0.011, not 0.11
[2016-07-06 23:28:18] Speran49 : it says -.11
[2016-07-06 23:28:41] Speran49 : -0.114848 XBT
[2016-07-06 23:29:13] BitMEX_Sam : Are you looking at a rebalance?
[2016-07-06 23:29:18] Speran49 : uh huh
[2016-07-06 23:29:30] Speran49 : "cash rebalance"
[2016-07-06 23:29:32] BitMEX_Sam : That's not "taking" money from you, you shorted and the price went up. That is simply realizing the loss as happens every day at a rebalance
[2016-07-06 23:29:40] BitMEX_Sam : Your position is still open.
[2016-07-06 23:29:56] BitMEX_Sam : (after a rebalance)
[2016-07-06 23:30:06] Speran49 : can you link me to where this is explained
[2016-07-06 23:30:24] Speran49 : cause the way you're saying it means that possible the price could jump up at the rebalance come back down and then go back up
[2016-07-06 23:30:26] BitMEX_Sam : See your trade history at https://www.bitmex.com/app/tradeHistory, and https://www.bitmex.com/app/dynamicProfitEqualisation#contract-settlement-rebalance about rebalance
[2016-07-06 23:30:29] Speran49 : causing me to lose twice
[2016-07-06 23:30:31] 1QaZxSw2 : rebalance is when your entry price changes to current price and profit/loss is settled
[2016-07-06 23:30:36] BitMEX_Sam : No, you wouldn't lose twice Speran49
[2016-07-06 23:30:48] BitMEX_Sam : It is simply moving unrealised PNL to realised PNL, the net effect on your account is 0
[2016-07-06 23:31:00] Speran49 : do you have a way to calculate pnl at a lower margin than 50x
[2016-07-06 23:31:05] Speran49 : i see only a 50x calculator
[2016-07-06 23:31:08] BitMEX_Sam : Yes, change your leverage
[2016-07-06 23:31:20] BitMEX_Sam : Oh, in the calculator -
[2016-07-06 23:31:31] BitMEX_Sam : Just multiply it out. Profit/Loss % is the raw PNL, ROE is multiplied by the max leverage
[2016-07-06 23:31:39] BitMEX_Sam : If you want to do, say, 25x, just multiply `Profit/Loss %` by 25
[2016-07-06 23:32:35] Speran49 : where do i find my pnl
[2016-07-06 23:34:41] Speran49 : also, what is your symbol on trading view?
[2016-07-06 23:34:55] Speran49 : i see you're using their platform here, but i'd rather use my personalized TV charts
[2016-07-06 23:37:39] BitMEX_Sam : Speran49: TradingView has delisted a few Bitcoin exchanges, including us, while they're doing a technical revamp on their backend
[2016-07-06 23:37:48] BitMEX_Sam : ETA on that is unfortunately a few months last we heard.
[2016-07-06 23:38:11] BitMEX_Sam : You can get a fullscreen chart by clicking the bar chart icon on the top middle of the chart. It's not the same, but close.
[2016-07-06 23:38:23] Speran49 : i have custom indicators
[2016-07-06 23:38:39] Speran49 : you have active pinescript i can use?
[2016-07-06 23:38:52] BitMEX_Sam : No, the embeddable widget doesn't do pinescript.
[2016-07-06 23:38:59] Speran49 : okay
[2016-07-06 23:39:02] Speran49 : now about the PNL
[2016-07-06 23:39:05] Speran49 : im looking at trade history
[2016-07-06 23:39:08] Speran49 : i see no pnl listed
[2016-07-06 23:39:24] Speran49 : i see fees and execution prices
[2016-07-06 23:40:11] Speran49 : i see one trade with a pnl total of .794 xbt apparently
[2016-07-06 23:40:39] Speran49 : which makes no sense to me
[2016-07-06 23:40:55] Speran49 : bitcoion moved 1.4% from my short price to my final sell
[2016-07-06 23:41:34] Speran49 : so my lose should have been .16 btc
[2016-07-06 23:41:40] Speran49 : but instead it was .2 btc?
[2016-07-06 23:41:46] Speran49 : where did the other .04 go?
[2016-07-06 23:41:54] Skitrx : did you sell at market?
[2016-07-06 23:42:00] Speran49 : hell no
[2016-07-06 23:42:58] Speran49 : wow looks like bitmex charged me almost .03 btc
[2016-07-06 23:43:02] Speran49 : wow
[2016-07-06 23:43:26] Mrceaser : Its crazy
[2016-07-06 23:44:43] Speran49 : where did sam go
[2016-07-06 23:45:02] Speran49 : you're reminding me why i shouldn't trade btc
[2016-07-06 23:46:30] BitMEX_Sam : Speran49: https://www.bitmex.com/app/swapsGuide
[2016-07-06 23:46:51] BitMEX_Sam : Perpetual swaps have a funding rate that emulates futures basis, as they act similar to a future without expiry so basis must be charged or received at intervals
[2016-07-06 23:46:59] BitMEX_Sam : It's not a BitMEX fee, it's paid between counterparties
[2016-07-06 23:47:15] Speran49 : can you approve my withdrawal sam?
[2016-07-06 23:47:38] Speran49 : that's fine. I just don't think this is for me
[2016-07-06 23:47:44] Speran49 : the cost are too high for what im trying to do
[2016-07-06 23:47:55] BitMEX_Sam : Speran49: Withdrawals are done daily at 13:00 UTC
[2016-07-06 23:48:06] Adura_ : What are you trying to do?
[2016-07-06 23:48:21] Speran49 : place longer term trades with low levels of margin
[2016-07-06 23:48:29] Speran49 : trade could take a few days to a week to work out
[2016-07-06 23:48:56] BitMEX_Sam : Try the quarterly future if you want a more standard long-dated future.
[2016-07-06 23:49:26] Speran49 : i can't chart it
[2016-07-06 23:49:34] Speran49 : im just going to go somewhere else. Thanks anyway.
[2016-07-06 23:49:49] Speran49 : oh and the fee was 4% of my position ever 8 hrs at 15x leverage
[2016-07-06 23:49:51] Speran49 : that's nuts man
[2016-07-06 23:50:18] BitMEX_Sam : The funding fee was 0.1%, that's 1.5%, not 4%.
[2016-07-06 23:51:20] BitMEX_Sam : 0.1% is a perfectly common lending rate on margin platforms - it's disingenuous regardless to multiply fees by leverage as if allowing larger position sizes with less capital is a downside.
[2016-07-06 23:51:25] Speran49 : i get 1.8% every 8 hrs
[2016-07-06 23:51:45] Speran49 : and i would be okay with that as a daily fee
[2016-07-06 23:51:52] Speran49 : but every 8 hrs seems high
[2016-07-06 23:51:53] BitMEX_Sam : You actually received fees at 15:00 UTC today
[2016-07-06 23:52:28] BitMEX_Sam : The funding is done every 8 hours to smooth out the system. If it were done more seldom the market would trade for longer at a discount/premium and the daily rate would likely be as high if not higher
[2016-07-06 23:52:43] Speran49 : that's fine
[2016-07-06 23:52:55] Speran49 : im just saying for me personally 1.8% every 8 hrs is high
[2016-07-06 23:53:43] Speran49 : 5.4% a day on only 15x margin
[2016-07-06 23:54:04] Speran49 : ever 4% would be high
[2016-07-06 23:54:21] Speran49 : anyway, no biggie. I tried it. Didn't work out. No biggie. Im sure plenty of people enjoy :)
[2016-07-06 23:57:54] zanza : sleger doesn't :)
[2016-07-06 23:58:23] zanza : doesn't everywhere have funding rates tho Speran49 ?
[2016-07-06 23:58:43] 1QaZxSw2 : anyone know where sleger is trading these days
[2016-07-06 23:59:28] 1QaZxSw2 : zanza: not everywhere, but there are a couple of less popular exchanges that don't have funding as thier model. They have sellprice-buyprice = profit
[2016-07-07 00:08:38] zanza : for example?
[2016-07-07 00:09:50] zanza : You kind of need to have the funding rate model for "spot" trading BTC
[2016-07-07 00:11:09] 1QaZxSw2 : a bit new, but i've been playing small sizes at coinpit.io
[2016-07-07 00:13:42] 1QaZxSw2 : dont go crazy on the leverage there: i dont dare try anything over 300x, the slider goes above 600x
[2016-07-07 00:20:05] 1QaZxSw2 : but none of the derivatives exchanges have good volume honestly except okc
[2016-07-07 00:26:58] 1QaZxSw2 : are charts frozen for you guys too? nothing moving for last 10 min
[2016-07-07 00:29:47] migz : btc pump soon as yuan is crumbling?
[2016-07-07 00:34:09] 1QaZxSw2 : honestly looks like chop
[2016-07-07 00:35:31] 1QaZxSw2 : disclosure: im long
[2016-07-07 01:03:29] Rado : BitMEX_Sam: is next funding rate available as an API call?
[2016-07-07 01:06:53] miramm1115 : Rado: https://www.bitmex.com/api/v1/instrument?symbol=XBTUSD
[2016-07-07 01:07:14] Rado : thanks miramm1115
[2016-07-07 01:07:14] miramm1115 : "fundingRate":0.001098,"indicativeFundingRate":0.001829
[2016-07-07 01:08:51] yerb : BitMEX_Sam: you there?
[2016-07-07 01:11:49] BitMEX_Arthur : yerb: can I help at all
[2016-07-07 01:22:19] yerb : BitMEX_Arthur: yeah, is there an option do download a csv of wallet balances?
[2016-07-07 01:22:31] yerb : oh, just found it, sorry
[2016-07-07 01:29:27] 1QaZxSw2 : i've sold a bunch at 682ish
[2016-07-07 01:33:22] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 768 @ 0.01527
[2016-07-07 01:38:41] yerb : BitMEX_Arthur: could you make a chart of wallet balance?
[2016-07-07 01:45:32] BitMEX_Arthur : What specifically do you want to chart?
[2016-07-07 01:47:04] yerb : BitMEX_Arthur: to quickly see account progress on a chart, i was thinking something like Tradingview strategy tester http://i.imgur.com/mqKgnth.png
[2016-07-07 01:59:07] yerb : or dark version http://i.imgur.com/073grWw.png
[2016-07-07 01:59:58] 1QaZxSw2 : yerb: nice chart where is it from
[2016-07-07 02:00:45] BitMEX_Arthur : Thanks for the suggestion we will look into it further internally
[2016-07-07 02:01:02] yerb : tradingview OKC strategy tester @1QaZxSw2
[2016-07-07 02:28:55] BuzzLightYear : BitMEX_Arthur: Hi~ I just logged in and i don't have any open position?? no order history? nothing @.@ doh
[2016-07-07 02:32:53] BitMEX_Sam : BuzzLightYear: Have you ever traded here with that account?
[2016-07-07 02:33:02] BitMEX_Sam : I am not seeing anything in your history.
[2016-07-07 02:33:34] BuzzLightYear : BitMEX_Sam: i traded 11hrs ago
[2016-07-07 02:33:54] BuzzLightYear : BitMEX_Sam: i should have one open order and order history
[2016-07-07 02:35:07] BuzzLightYear : BitMEX_Sam: i had log-in problem this morning
[2016-07-07 02:35:18] BitMEX_Sam : I see that in the logs. Just a minute, I'm taking a look at your history.
[2016-07-07 02:35:30] BuzzLightYear : BitMEX_Sam: all right. Thank you~
[2016-07-07 02:35:44] BitMEX_Sam : Ah, I typed in your account name incorrectly when I was looking you up. I see your history
[2016-07-07 02:36:30] BitMEX_Sam : Please see https://www.bitmex.com/app/tradeHistory
[2016-07-07 02:36:43] BitMEX_Sam : I see a bug that is causing some orders not to show up on the site. I will address that immediately
[2016-07-07 02:37:20] BuzzLightYear : BitMEX_Sam: all right. thank you for your help.
[2016-07-07 03:00:31] Rado : We need a product where you can make money if BTC is not moving :-)
[2016-07-07 03:00:57] 1QaZxSw2 : Rado: ya, thats called lending margin
[2016-07-07 03:01:32] Rado : Y
[2016-07-07 03:02:02] BitMEX_Sam : You can still make a decent % buying spot & selling the swap
[2016-07-07 03:03:31] Rado : If you get liquidated do you just add more btc from your stash
[2016-07-07 03:03:54] Rado : Since it's usd strategy
[2016-07-07 03:04:36] BitMEX_Sam : Well, a liquidation would really kill the profitability
[2016-07-07 03:04:52] BitMEX_Sam : Best to stave off liquidation by keeping ample margin available, or at the very least setting stops
[2016-07-07 03:05:21] Rado : So if I want to do this with 50 btc
[2016-07-07 03:05:38] Rado : How many would you recommend in here?
[2016-07-07 03:05:44] Rado : 5?
[2016-07-07 03:05:51] Rado : And trade 1
[2016-07-07 03:07:49] Rado : 32k contracts about 1 btc
[2016-07-07 03:08:37] Rado : How much would I make each 8 hr if the rate is 0.1
[2016-07-07 03:13:27] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 11593 @ 672.32
[2016-07-07 03:13:50] Rado : Maybe I should just move all 50 btc in here
[2016-07-07 03:29:11] Speran49 : Definitely suggest testing first mate
[2016-07-07 03:48:20] nip : Rado: for hedging i wouldnt use the full 100x leverage
[2016-07-07 04:14:17] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 2000 @ 669.95
[2016-07-07 04:14:32] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 30000 @ 668.80 **MEGA-REKT** :boom:
[2016-07-07 04:15:37] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 7988 @ 667.23
[2016-07-07 04:15:57] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 32000 @ 664.42 **MEGA-REKT** :boom:
[2016-07-07 04:16:09] REKT : :btc: :soon: :toilet:
[2016-07-07 04:16:09] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 222 @ 663.86
[2016-07-07 04:16:09] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 339072 @ 663.47 **REKTosaurus** :slot_machine: :moneybag: :fire:
[2016-07-07 04:16:09] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 339311 @ 662.80 **REKTosaurus** :slot_machine: :moneybag: :fire:
[2016-07-07 04:16:09] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 4400 @ 663.09
[2016-07-07 04:16:09] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 339795 @ 663.20 **REKTosaurus** :slot_machine: :moneybag: :fire:
[2016-07-07 04:16:09] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 339687 @ 663.14 **REKTosaurus** :slot_machine: :moneybag: :fire:
[2016-07-07 04:16:17] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 200 @ 660.45
[2016-07-07 04:16:24] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 64568 @ 658.39 **EPIC REKT** :unamused: :confounded: :astonished:
[2016-07-07 04:16:24] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 3000 @ 657.83
[2016-07-07 04:16:24] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 45 @ 657.86
[2016-07-07 04:16:24] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 10000 @ 658.51
[2016-07-07 04:16:24] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 100 @ 660.10
[2016-07-07 04:16:24] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 6800 @ 659.47
[2016-07-07 04:17:02] nip : DPE
[2016-07-07 04:17:10] atodorov07 : damn
[2016-07-07 04:17:22] nip : wow look at that unfilled
[2016-07-07 04:17:29] nip : so much for insurance fund
[2016-07-07 04:18:43] ayy_lmao : lol
[2016-07-07 04:19:48] mikeh : what the, 1445853
[2016-07-07 04:20:27] QuantFocus : hoooollly shit
[2016-07-07 04:21:31] nip : so many of those mega rekt were for 500 btc
[2016-07-07 04:22:15] 1QaZxSw2 : went away for dinner. rekt when im back
[2016-07-07 04:22:55] nip : 1QaZxSw2: it all happened in about a minute
[2016-07-07 04:25:02] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 100 @ 656.19
[2016-07-07 04:25:18] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 50 @ 654.93
[2016-07-07 04:25:18] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 48000 @ 654.25 **MEGA-REKT** :boom:
[2016-07-07 04:25:32] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 1 @ 653.56 :punch: :whale:
[2016-07-07 04:25:47] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 100 @ 652.15
[2016-07-07 04:26:02] mikeh : i wonder what the price would be if there was no margin trading
[2016-07-07 04:26:07] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 20000 @ 651.15 **MEGA-REKT** :boom:
[2016-07-07 04:26:22] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 25000 @ 650.11 **MEGA-REKT** :boom:
[2016-07-07 04:26:24] 1QaZxSw2 : every time i double my account i go back to square 1
[2016-07-07 04:26:42] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 700 @ 648.78
[2016-07-07 04:26:59] mikeh : annoying
[2016-07-07 04:27:15] micmix : 1QaZxSw2: lower your leverage
[2016-07-07 04:27:32] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 30049 @ 647.99 **MEGA-REKT** :boom:
[2016-07-07 04:27:48] mikeh : i've given myself a safer liq price of 597 after being rekt like 10 times the last time i tried this :)
[2016-07-07 04:28:11] mikeh : i probably jinxed myself now
[2016-07-07 04:28:17] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 5000 @ 647.56
[2016-07-07 04:28:23] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 100 @ 646.34
[2016-07-07 04:28:23] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 9500 @ 646.22
[2016-07-07 04:28:32] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 277 @ 644.63
[2016-07-07 04:28:33] ayy_lmao : ayy there is my liquidation
[2016-07-07 04:28:33] ayy_lmao : lol
[2016-07-07 04:28:38] migz : Rek train there. lol
[2016-07-07 04:28:42] 1QaZxSw2 : nah, my mistake was being away from keyboard without stop
[2016-07-07 04:28:46] ayy_lmao : rekt
[2016-07-07 04:29:09] mikeh : damn
[2016-07-07 04:29:18] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 1 @ 640.19 :punch: :whale:
[2016-07-07 04:29:18] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 1000 @ 640.48
[2016-07-07 04:29:18] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 6 @ 639.05
[2016-07-07 04:29:27] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 680 @ 637.03
[2016-07-07 04:29:27] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 40000 @ 636.94 **MEGA-REKT** :boom:
[2016-07-07 04:29:46] micmix : mikeh: 597 might not be that safe after all
[2016-07-07 04:30:02] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBJ24H`: Sell 5200 @ 64555.0
[2016-07-07 04:30:11] mikeh : yea.. it doesn't stop until it gets below most liq price
[2016-07-07 04:30:51] mikeh : buy the dip!
[2016-07-07 04:31:00] mikeh : it's not a knife :]
[2016-07-07 04:31:10] nip : im so close to liquidated
[2016-07-07 04:31:32] ayy_lmao : lol mine was at 645
[2016-07-07 04:31:47] ayy_lmao : 646
[2016-07-07 04:31:54] elmorte : damnit China
[2016-07-07 04:32:13] mikeh : china china china
[2016-07-07 04:32:39] nip : 634 HODL
[2016-07-07 04:33:18] ayy_lmao : gotta love that $40 long squeeze in 30 minutes
[2016-07-07 04:33:23] mikeh : problem is all the regular traders that don't know the cause of a dump and panic sell
[2016-07-07 04:34:18] rapidtrades : whats up? that's a large drop in 10 mins
[2016-07-07 04:35:03] micmix : nip: you are not safe, next one is starting soon
[2016-07-07 04:35:28] elmorte : micmix: for real?
[2016-07-07 04:35:56] micmix : well okc got their dump bot going, if they don't turn it off it's going down more
[2016-07-07 04:35:57] elmorte : nip: you better top up man...
[2016-07-07 04:36:13] elmorte : k, I was lookin at huob
[2016-07-07 04:36:15] nip : no its got to hold
[2016-07-07 04:37:05] Tetsuo : bulltards will never learn
[2016-07-07 04:38:24] nip : Tetsuo: at what price did you start saying that?
[2016-07-07 04:38:40] mikeh : tard o'clock
[2016-07-07 04:38:43] nip : here it comes
[2016-07-07 04:38:48] nip : back up
[2016-07-07 04:39:41] QuantFocus : who's going to buy back the 1.6MM?
[2016-07-07 04:39:43] Tetsuo : nip: last time yesdterday @670
[2016-07-07 04:39:56] QuantFocus : oh, 1.8 now
[2016-07-07 04:40:03] mikeh : considering the global economy, people don't want to be out of a long position
[2016-07-07 04:40:50] nip : the woodchipper has no unfilled liquidations
[2016-07-07 04:41:06] nip : someone must have bought on the way down
[2016-07-07 04:41:12] nip : someone is buying this dip
[2016-07-07 04:41:22] micmix : another round
[2016-07-07 04:46:53] QuantFocus : that's some brutal DPE
[2016-07-07 04:47:06] nip : yeah nothing got filled
[2016-07-07 04:47:20] nip : oh no...
[2016-07-07 04:47:22] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 5000 @ 638.39
[2016-07-07 04:47:34] rapidtrades : first support near 600-610
[2016-07-07 04:47:40] rapidtrades : only death until then
[2016-07-07 04:48:24] 1QaZxSw2 : ya 30% of my wiining is taxed
[2016-07-07 04:48:52] rapidtrades : holy crap that's a lot of DPE
[2016-07-07 04:48:53] QuantFocus : so far
[2016-07-07 04:49:58] micmix : nip: last chance to top up
[2016-07-07 04:50:41] nip : i cant
[2016-07-07 04:51:06] micmix : sorry man, you might get rekt
[2016-07-07 04:51:23] nip : its bouncing a second time just have a little faith
[2016-07-07 04:52:39] Tetsuo : i agree there will be a nice bounce @450$
[2016-07-07 04:53:40] rapidtrades : well RIP shorts that long will not get filled imo
[2016-07-07 04:54:17] nip : rip shorts
[2016-07-07 04:55:08] rapidtrades : they'll still make money but it will be a bitching DPE today
[2016-07-07 04:55:19] Tetsuo : sure shorts right now are the ones that are in worry, lmao, you guys are delusional, we will get dead cat bounces for fools all the the way down to 500$
[2016-07-07 04:55:56] boolander : ^^ what he said.
[2016-07-07 04:56:04] 1QaZxSw2 : is dpe for both longs and shorts?
[2016-07-07 04:56:13] nip : no just shorts
[2016-07-07 04:56:16] elmorte : fud fud fud....
[2016-07-07 04:56:18] QuantFocus : 1QaZxSw2: anyone with profit
[2016-07-07 04:56:23] rapidtrades : its for everyone that made a profit past 24 hrs
[2016-07-07 04:56:38] 1QaZxSw2 : im f_____ed either way?
[2016-07-07 04:56:48] Tetsuo : wait until the finex margin long crash starts
[2016-07-07 04:56:53] nip : yeah probably lose any withheld profit you have
[2016-07-07 04:57:14] nip : thought i thought it was just shorts for some reason
[2016-07-07 04:57:15] QuantFocus : better to lose some profit that to be at a loss...
[2016-07-07 04:57:25] BitMEX_Wally : At the moment any profit made on XBTUSD since the last rebalance will be adjusted by 24%
[2016-07-07 04:57:37] elmorte : QuantFocus: you'd think that would be more obivous
[2016-07-07 04:57:54] elmorte : obvious even
[2016-07-07 04:57:56] nip : ok so even a long that made money on the way up gets dpe
[2016-07-07 04:58:01] 1QaZxSw2 : BitMEX_Wally: what if i close my position after the rebalance
[2016-07-07 04:58:25] QuantFocus : your position is automatically 'closed' at rebalance
[2016-07-07 04:58:31] QuantFocus : and reopened
[2016-07-07 04:58:48] 1QaZxSw2 : what! faaaaaaq
[2016-07-07 04:58:48] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : Wow I've never seen the DPE this high
[2016-07-07 04:58:58] rapidtrades : are u srs lol
[2016-07-07 04:59:01] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : No bueno for my hedge
[2016-07-07 04:59:03] boolander : hover yer mouse over the realised PnL and it will show you since last rebal
[2016-07-07 04:59:28] nip : was there any reason for this dip?
[2016-07-07 04:59:34] QuantFocus : 1QaZxSw2: that's the purpose of rebalance. mark to market
[2016-07-07 04:59:45] 1QaZxSw2 : ya i get it
[2016-07-07 05:00:01] rapidtrades : nip: halving crash?
[2016-07-07 05:00:12] Tetsuo : nip: margin long credit bubble
[2016-07-07 05:00:13] nip : why would that even happen
[2016-07-07 05:00:14] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : DPE affects your unrealized PNL realization, correct?
[2016-07-07 05:00:20] nip : halving should increase price and its not here yet
[2016-07-07 05:00:29] rapidtrades : k
[2016-07-07 05:00:33] Tetsuo : half supply + half BTC price=double loss
[2016-07-07 05:00:35] nip : IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb: i think it affects your realized too
[2016-07-07 05:00:51] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : nip: Yes, both as far as I understand
[2016-07-07 05:00:53] 1QaZxSw2 : but 25% dpe + funding + bias = i can only trade here on horizontal mkt
[2016-07-07 05:01:20] 1QaZxSw2 : the moment it moves fast, this place loses advantage of leverage
[2016-07-07 05:01:40] rapidtrades : u got that right sparky
[2016-07-07 05:01:40] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : 1QaZxSw2: Yeah the DPE being this high is pretty concerning
[2016-07-07 05:02:03] 1QaZxSw2 : anyone know what the dpe situation is at okc?
[2016-07-07 05:02:04] Tetsuo : ther is always room for more
[2016-07-07 05:02:12] nip : no dpe at the woodchipper
[2016-07-07 05:02:15] blurrrrrp : 1QaZxSw2: jnoe dpe ther
[2016-07-07 05:02:18] nip : but its only 20x leverage
[2016-07-07 05:02:24] rapidtrades : no DPE cos its a fake market
[2016-07-07 05:02:34] 1QaZxSw2 : but is there socialized losses there?
[2016-07-07 05:02:37] blurrrrrp : rapidtrades: fake market? are you joking
[2016-07-07 05:02:37] nip : no
[2016-07-07 05:02:50] 1QaZxSw2 : and do they tell you how much is the socialized loss
[2016-07-07 05:02:56] rapidtrades : yeah im joking......NO
[2016-07-07 05:02:58] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : Wait, doesn't the insurance fund here cover some of the DPE so the hit isn't as bad?
[2016-07-07 05:03:06] rapidtrades : fund's gone
[2016-07-07 05:03:13] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : :(
[2016-07-07 05:03:31] nip : apparently not
[2016-07-07 05:03:55] Tetsuo : everyone will get rekt, there is no hope , only USD is king, it´s about to go to the mooooon
[2016-07-07 05:04:21] rapidtrades : Tetsuo: shut up, noone like u
[2016-07-07 05:04:35] Tetsuo : plz don´t say that
[2016-07-07 05:04:46] rapidtrades : it's true
[2016-07-07 05:04:52] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : Wait the insurance fund balance is shown as 28.2722 BTC
[2016-07-07 05:05:01] rapidtrades : it's gone man
[2016-07-07 05:05:02] Tetsuo : all ur profits bulltards, made over weeks, pooof will be gone within 1-2 days
[2016-07-07 05:05:21] Tetsuo : welcome to BTC
[2016-07-07 05:05:52] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : rapidtrades: You mean that the loss is so great that it will be wiped out at rebalance?
[2016-07-07 05:05:57] elmorte : Tetsuo: so you don't own a single BTC?
[2016-07-07 05:06:14] rapidtrades : IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb: if u see DPE % it means fund has been depleted
[2016-07-07 05:06:19] Tetsuo : only for shorting
[2016-07-07 05:06:30] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : rapidtrades: Are you sure?
[2016-07-07 05:06:36] nip : rapidtrades: im not sure
[2016-07-07 05:06:40] Tetsuo : no, he´s lying, that´s what he does
[2016-07-07 05:06:43] elmorte : No wonder you're butthurt then...
[2016-07-07 05:07:21] BitMEX_Wally : The insurance fund for XBTUSD has been depleted, there are still funds from ETHXBT etc
[2016-07-07 05:07:45] 1QaZxSw2 : how is the insurance funded?
[2016-07-07 05:07:45] rapidtrades : BitMEX_Wally: how about sept?
[2016-07-07 05:07:59] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : BitMEX_Wally: Has OKC socialized loss ever reached 25%?
[2016-07-07 05:08:27] nip : IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb: look for yourself they post the history
[2016-07-07 05:08:29] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : I expect it to drop some before rebalance but still that's crazy
[2016-07-07 05:08:31] blurrrrrp : IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb: I don't think so.
[2016-07-07 05:08:34] rapidtrades : on bitcoin its usually 5% or so...but again its a fake market
[2016-07-07 05:08:40] rapidtrades : okc^^^
[2016-07-07 05:08:41] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : nip: Wasn't aware of that, thanks
[2016-07-07 05:09:22] blurrrrrp : rapidtrades: How can you tell Rapid? Did you ever try to sell or buy $5.000.000 there? No problem...