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[2016-07-06 05:47:57] Rado : Actually mine is best when there is atrend
[2016-07-06 05:48:29] Rado : In the beging I had trouble with sideways and was losing, but made an adjustment
[2016-07-06 05:49:00] jung1 : lets talk on irc
[2016-07-06 05:49:20] Rado : I am on mobile now
[2016-07-06 05:49:29] Rado : 11 pm here
[2016-07-06 05:49:38] jung1 : oh ok
[2016-07-06 05:49:40] Rado : Catch me in the morning
[2016-07-06 05:49:52] jung1 : 7am here
[2016-07-06 05:50:14] jung1 : I will send you pm on cryptotrader
[2016-07-06 05:50:15] Rado : In about 8 hr
[2016-07-06 05:50:20] Rado : Ok
[2016-07-06 05:50:25] jung1 : k
[2016-07-06 05:51:05] jung1 : holy shit there is Warren Buffet on Bitmex irc
[2016-07-06 05:51:38] Rado : Lo.
[2016-07-06 05:51:44] Rado : Lol
[2016-07-06 05:52:05] Rado : Imposter
[2016-07-06 05:52:37] Rado : Premium increasing on swap
[2016-07-06 05:52:51] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETHXBT`: Buy 175 @ 0.01628
[2016-07-06 05:53:06] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETHXBT`: Buy 56 @ 0.01631
[2016-07-06 06:38:32] jung1 : another 4 years in bitcoin to next halving will be madness
[2016-07-06 06:38:35] jung1 : cant wait
[2016-07-06 06:49:15] jung1 : no rekt?
[2016-07-06 07:06:51] rapidtrades : jung1: what's that suppose to mean
[2016-07-06 07:07:27] macios15 : jung1: elegancki trójkąt sie zrobił z zasięgiem +-500 lekko
[2016-07-06 07:07:31] macios15 : cny
[2016-07-06 07:07:58] jung1 : rapidtrades: that price drop over 15$ and no rekt here
[2016-07-06 07:08:26] rapidtrades : how did price drop 15
[2016-07-06 07:08:50] jung1 : ok $10
[2016-07-06 07:09:36] jung1 : macios15: myślisz? ogólnie coś ciężko te pompy idą. Nie był bym zaskoczony jakby pompa na halving już sie odbyła i bedzie zrzut do 300 i dalej budowanie
[2016-07-06 07:09:50] rapidtrades : ok i see finex dropped $12
[2016-07-06 07:12:18] macios15 : jung1: mi sie wydaje ze bedziemy wychodzic powoli w góre przez kolejny tydzien o ile znowu finex nie da dupy jak ostatnio bo wtedy zlecimy na 3k cny spokojnie
[2016-07-06 07:12:36] macios15 : albo jakis inny news
[2016-07-06 07:13:07] jung1 : ja bym sie nie zdziwił jakby po halvingu był duży dump
[2016-07-06 07:14:27] macios15 : jung1: no, dokladnie tak jak na halvingu ltc
[2016-07-06 07:14:48] jung1 : tylko pytanie czy bedzie jeszcze pompa przed
[2016-07-06 07:15:08] rapidtrades : plz stop, kurwa
[2016-07-06 07:15:32] jung1 : ale teraz juz nie bedzie tak smiesznie bo za duzo ludzi juz wie jak działają shorty i longi więc po dropie szybko odbije cena
[2016-07-06 07:15:47] jung1 : rapidtrades: you have great opportunity to learn polish
[2016-07-06 07:16:04] jung1 : "kurwa: is quite good start
[2016-07-06 07:16:34] Adura_ : I almost forgot Poland.
[2016-07-06 07:21:46] rapidtrades : Abe can hit 2.0% inflation with ¥20tn stimulus says adviser Fujii
[2016-07-06 07:27:38] fineregex : why do you guys short litecoin here on bitmex since days?
[2016-07-06 07:28:12] fineregex : (negative funding rates)
[2016-07-06 07:28:54] rapidtrades : don't worry about it
[2016-07-06 07:30:25] crashtestdummy : hey...i'm new here... is there a guide to the interface somewhere? how do i go about opening shorts ?..
[2016-07-06 07:31:31] rapidtrades : crashtestdummy: https://testnet.bitmex.com/
[2016-07-06 07:32:32] Mr Blue : crashtestdummy: https://www.bitmex.com/app/trade/XBTUSD and use market or limit and the red button sell short, or you could short the September contract instead
[2016-07-06 07:32:34] jung1 : crashtestdummy: just sell
[2016-07-06 07:33:41] Mr Blue : crashtestdummy: I'd start off with $5 so you can test what leverage is best for you, keep your eye on liquidation price if using high leverage
[2016-07-06 07:34:17] jung1 : or https://testnet.bitmex.com/
[2016-07-06 07:34:27] crashtestdummy : don'tworry i'll start small till i get my headaround it... ty...
[2016-07-06 07:34:28] Mr Blue : crashtestdummy: that's good info from @rapidtrades I didn't realise you could do that
[2016-07-06 07:34:38] Mr Blue : crashtestdummy: np
[2016-07-06 07:38:45] jung1 : oh awesome
[2016-07-06 07:38:48] jung1 : http://www.breakoutcoin.com/coinsale/ is alive
[2016-07-06 07:38:58] jung1 : I invested in back in '14
[2016-07-06 07:39:05] jung1 : and though it was scam
[2016-07-06 08:09:52] rapidtrades : jung1: so how did u do
[2016-07-06 08:11:06] jung1 : ?
[2016-07-06 08:11:17] jung1 : i invested in '14 in first ico
[2016-07-06 08:11:20] jung1 : and now they back
[2016-07-06 08:11:26] jung1 : seems like good project
[2016-07-06 08:13:34] rapidtrades : did u make any $$$$$$$$
[2016-07-06 08:14:54] jung1 : when?
[2016-07-06 08:18:49] jung1 : on breakout? not yet. Its just current ico +20%
[2016-07-06 08:19:04] jung1 : but their gaming software looks good
[2016-07-06 08:27:43] jung1 : this ico could be quite big
[2016-07-06 08:30:18] rapidtrades : jung1: u long bitcoin or what
[2016-07-06 08:30:54] jung1 : have some small long
[2016-07-06 08:31:00] jung1 : but already closed most of positions
[2016-07-06 08:31:14] jung1 : imo there is a chance for dump
[2016-07-06 08:31:19] jung1 : before halving
[2016-07-06 08:31:40] rapidtrades : yeah same here
[2016-07-06 08:32:48] rapidtrades : the weak yuan only thing holding btc prices
[2016-07-06 08:34:32] rapidtrades : another round of heavy selling in the markets
[2016-07-06 08:35:47] jung1 : I think of go long on lisk
[2016-07-06 08:35:53] jung1 : during btc dump
[2016-07-06 08:36:21] rapidtrades : no clue how that moves
[2016-07-06 08:37:30] rapidtrades : gold testing highs
[2016-07-06 08:37:50] jung1 : there was only one pump after release
[2016-07-06 08:38:34] jung1 : ico price was arounr 18k now its 40k
[2016-07-06 08:38:46] jung1 : pump was up to 120k
[2016-07-06 08:39:17] jung1 : but its nice project
[2016-07-06 08:40:04] jung1 : and they have
[2016-07-06 08:40:08] jung1 : Charles Hoskinson and Steven Nerayoff in team
[2016-07-06 08:40:21] jung1 : Charles and Steven were two of the most prominent individuals responsible for the phenomenal success of Ethereum.
[2016-07-06 08:41:50] rapidtrades : never heard of them
[2016-07-06 08:42:02] jung1 : https://blog.lisk.io/lisk-adds-charles-hoskinson-steven-nerayoff-as-senior-advisors-to-facilitate-product-development-5a2260613699#.qi4a14mhu
[2016-07-06 08:42:12] jung1 : they knkow what to do
[2016-07-06 08:43:12] jung1 : Breakout Gaming will use IP blocking, gaming collusion detection, KYC verification, and other measures to ensure full compliance with all U.S. gaming regulations.
[2016-07-06 08:43:25] jung1 : there is a lot of money in gaming industry
[2016-07-06 08:56:09] boolander : 2s10s 79bps - c ya growth expectations
[2016-07-06 08:58:18] jung1 : 2s10s 79bps - what does it mean?
[2016-07-06 09:00:25] boolander : spread between the US 2yr and 10yr
[2016-07-06 09:01:26] jung1 : oh ok
[2016-07-06 09:21:56] rapidtrades : this unstoppable selling has a 2008 feel to it
[2016-07-06 09:22:19] boolander : yeup
[2016-07-06 09:27:47] jung1 : Im going short on eth
[2016-07-06 09:28:24] rapidtrades : gl
[2016-07-06 09:28:35] jung1 : https://www.tradingview.com/chart/ETHBTC/Ae87fCu3-ETH/
[2016-07-06 09:28:38] jung1 : agree
[2016-07-06 09:29:13] boolander : ^what rapid said
[2016-07-06 09:30:15] jung1 : after 30 Sep there will be only Perpetual Swap x50 here?
[2016-07-06 09:32:35] jung1 : macios15: jestes?
[2016-07-06 09:32:43] macios15 : jung1: ta
[2016-07-06 09:33:02] jung1 : cho na irca
[2016-07-06 09:33:04] macios15 : jung1: elegancko szortuje :D
[2016-07-06 09:33:49] BitMEX_Arthur : jung1: We may offer longer expiries on the XBJ chain
[2016-07-06 09:34:26] jung1 : but what is the point if you can choose lavarage on perpetual?
[2016-07-06 09:35:00] BitMEX_Arthur : different underlyings
[2016-07-06 09:35:05] BitMEX_Arthur : one is XBTUSD one is XBTJPY
[2016-07-06 09:35:24] jung1 : oh right
[2016-07-06 09:35:32] jung1 : be prepared to add https://z.cash/ futures
[2016-07-06 09:39:40] Tetsuo : BTC is on the verge of collapse! Half BTC price + half BTC supply = gameover for miners. network about to implode! Be warned
[2016-07-06 09:39:47] Tetsuo : double loss
[2016-07-06 09:40:05] ayy_lmao : miners were mining at 300-400 months ago
[2016-07-06 09:41:01] jung1 : network willl not collapse
[2016-07-06 09:41:05] Tetsuo : it will carsh to 3-400 again, and miners will only have half of the BTC to sell to cover their costs!
[2016-07-06 09:41:08] ayy_lmao : if they could deal with it then, they can deal with it after halving
[2016-07-06 09:41:49] jung1 : diff will be lower so costs of minnig also
[2016-07-06 09:42:06] jung1 : satoshi was a smart guy
[2016-07-06 09:49:48] Tetsuo : chinese will crash BTC into the deepest tracts of hell and switch to ETH, already in progress http://www.coindesk.com/bitcoin-miners-ethereum/
[2016-07-06 09:50:36] fineregex : jung1: yes FUD, difficulty updates every 2 weeks or so @Tetsuo https://bitcoinwisdom.com/bitcoin/difficulty
[2016-07-06 09:51:51] Tetsuo : plz stop trying to shill young cryptoneers into the BTC ponzi
[2016-07-06 09:52:24] Mr Blue : Tetsuo: get out of here man, ETH is the biggest scam around
[2016-07-06 09:52:48] ayy_lmao : lol
[2016-07-06 09:54:05] Tetsuo : Centralization is the future! Anarchists, criminals, drug addicts, terrorists and perverts will learn it the hard way! Through their wallet
[2016-07-06 09:54:18] Mr Blue : Tetsuo: + how can the Chinese mine it when it's going PoS only soon and the only blocks found will be by the 80 million hidden pre-mine
[2016-07-06 09:54:30] ayy_lmao : ok good, i thought you were srs for a moment
[2016-07-06 09:54:48] Tetsuo : i am!
[2016-07-06 09:55:14] Tetsuo : time to wash the scum off the streets!
[2016-07-06 09:55:15] fineregex : are all of you professional trolls actually? :-O
[2016-07-06 09:57:13] jung1 : bitcoin is dead
[2016-07-06 09:57:20] Tetsuo : jung1: +1000
[2016-07-06 09:57:21] jung1 : its not dangerous
[2016-07-06 09:57:30] Tetsuo : jung1: plz stop trolling
[2016-07-06 09:57:47] jung1 : Im serious my whole life
[2016-07-06 09:58:13] Tetsuo : it is very dangerous! thousands of adolescents will lose everything they have. BTC is a plague
[2016-07-06 09:58:28] ayy_lmao : 2 spooky 4 me
[2016-07-06 09:59:08] Mr Blue : Tetsuo: lol I look forward to the day you lose everything with your scam bullshit,,, crypto gods Bitcoin to $2000 please
[2016-07-06 10:00:14] Tetsuo : Mr Blue: y are you mad at me? plz stop hating
[2016-07-06 10:01:34] Tetsuo : Don´t kill the messenger!
[2016-07-06 10:01:41] Mr Blue : Tetsuo: mad because if you attack Bitcoin you attack me sir, and clearly I'm not restarted and can see ETH is the biggest scam in over a 100 years
[2016-07-06 10:01:49] boolander : i'll have my jameson neat please
[2016-07-06 10:02:13] Mr Blue : Retarded **
[2016-07-06 10:02:19] Tetsuo : *handing it over to boolander
[2016-07-06 10:03:40] Tetsuo : Mr Blue: cut your losses before it´s too late. BTC won´t stop dissapointing you from now on! the scam party is over , from here on only lower lows!
[2016-07-06 10:05:05] Mr Blue : Tetsuo: sure buddy but my crystal balls says $2000 per Bitcoin by Christmas, we might drop but it won't last long.
[2016-07-06 10:05:08] Tetsuo : the bubble is about to burst, chinese will suck gladly every last penny out of you which you earned in your whole working life as burger flipper
[2016-07-06 10:06:09] Mr Blue : Lmao, I don't think so, go buy some more ETH it's good for you ?
[2016-07-06 10:06:29] Tetsuo : i have to leave, i can´t watch the upcoming crash, it makes me sad to see so many people suffering, goodbye friends
[2016-07-06 10:07:14] Tetsuo : PS: It´s lookin really bad for crypto 1.0!
[2016-07-06 10:10:24] fineregex : Tetsuo: why:)
[2016-07-06 10:26:17] investor : fineregex: its going down!!
[2016-07-06 10:26:46] fineregex : investor: who
[2016-07-06 10:26:57] investor : when every1 who put their $$$$$ into it are losing money nwill start to bad mouth and it will drop like a shite!!
[2016-07-06 10:27:21] investor : Bitcoins mate
[2016-07-06 10:27:42] fineregex : not right now
[2016-07-06 10:29:31] boolander : sell yer bitcoin and buy gold?
[2016-07-06 10:30:06] investor : sell your bitcoins and walk away....
[2016-07-06 10:30:09] fineregex : you know any nickel cfds?
[2016-07-06 10:30:48] boolander : walk away with fiat?
[2016-07-06 10:31:34] boolander : shouldn't you short bitcoin then?
[2016-07-06 10:31:52] fineregex : you can short okcoin 90 day future without leverage
[2016-07-06 10:32:02] fineregex : to lockin usd value +5%
[2016-07-06 10:32:13] fineregex : * ok -coin
[2016-07-06 10:32:47] boolander : shorting 1,000,000 bitcoin here might be tough given liquidity, yeah
[2016-07-06 10:37:53] RoftheN : Who would short THAT much bitcoin. Thats 1/21 of total supply.
[2016-07-06 10:39:09] boolander : sorry, XBT
[2016-07-06 10:39:51] jung1 : boolander: lets try
[2016-07-06 10:42:29] boolander : ;-)
[2016-07-06 10:54:55] jung1 : https://i.redd.it/i0uyr6ufoj7x.gif
[2016-07-06 11:53:41] laisee : RoftheN, jung1: 700000000 contracts IIRC
[2016-07-06 12:09:36] fineregex : shit i didnt expect my $1 bitcoin long to have a Liq. Price
[2016-07-06 12:12:49] BitMEX_Wally : If you go long 1x with XBTUSD and the price drops 50% then that is a 100% loss in XBT terms which is a 50% loss in USD terms
[2016-07-06 12:13:02] BitMEX_Wally : So a 1x long at 700 will have a liquidation price of 350
[2016-07-06 12:17:41] subjective : @BitMEX_Wally Do u need a licence to open a crypto finance product in HK?
[2016-07-06 12:18:44] subjective : BitMEX_Wally: How can 1x long have liquidation price? isn't that the same as buying 1 BTC on BFX?
[2016-07-06 12:19:08] fineregex : BitMEX_Wally: not serious since i am long x0.00....
[2016-07-06 12:19:32] BitMEX_Wally : subjective: Because XBTUSD is an inverse future. By going long XBTUSD you are actually going short USD with XBT as the margin currency
[2016-07-06 12:21:52] BitMEX_Wally : Of course, if we had USD as the margin currency then a 1x long of XBTUSD would have a liquidation price of 0
[2016-07-06 12:29:41] subjective : ah, are you guys going to open up more currency as collaterials? USD/ETH
[2016-07-06 12:30:45] subjective : BitMEX_Wally: What if I short BTC then? what is the liquidation price on 1x. It seems like never, where as 2x short has the same risk as 1x long.
[2016-07-06 12:30:57] subjective : 2x short gets liquidated when BTC price doubles
[2016-07-06 12:31:24] BitMEX_Wally : If you are 1x short XBTUSD then your liquidation price is Infinity
[2016-07-06 12:32:01] BitMEX_Wally : If you are 2x then your liquidation price is double your entry price
[2016-07-06 12:32:54] BitMEX_Wally : We are working on adding synthetic USD as a margin currency, and then we can support ETH/USD etc
[2016-07-06 12:36:07] BitMEX_Wally : https://www.bitmex.com/app/quantoVsInverse#inverse-contract-exposure-curves
[2016-07-06 12:36:48] subjective : BitMEX_Wally: did u guys need to get a finance licence in HK to operate?
[2016-07-06 12:37:18] subjective : BitMEX_Wally: many crypto startup seem to be based in HK (BFX, Bitmex, Gatecoin) for some reason
[2016-07-06 12:38:40] BitMEX_Wally : subjective: We operate from the Seychelles
[2016-07-06 12:39:05] BitMEX_Wally : Hong Kong Monetary Authority has declared Bitcoin to not be money (so they don't have to regulate it)
[2016-07-06 12:39:14] BitMEX_Wally : It is considered a virtual commodity
[2016-07-06 12:40:21] subjective : BitMEX_Wally: so if I register a HK entity to create a consumer friendly product let's say on top of Bitmex/BFX.. I can receive BTC without money/financial licence right
[2016-07-06 12:40:22] BitMEX_Wally : Gatecoin has a Money Service Operator license
[2016-07-06 12:41:06] subjective : BitMEX_Wally: u don't need a licence if u only handle BTC payment/payout right?
[2016-07-06 12:41:16] BitMEX_Wally : subjective: Yes, as far as I am aware
[2016-07-06 12:41:40] BitMEX_Wally : If you exchange value (i.e. USD vs XBT) or if you remit fiat you need a license
[2016-07-06 12:43:05] subjective : Thx heaps
[2016-07-06 12:43:32] BitMEX_Wally : BitMEX is a founding member of the Bitcoin Association of Hong Kong, let me know if you want us to put you in touch with anyone
[2016-07-06 12:43:44] BitMEX_Wally : There'a crypto-lawyer who takes Bitcoin as payment
[2016-07-06 12:47:58] subjective : BitMEX_Wally: Thanks man, I am a startup founder in Aus. I am trying to hack together a weekend product on the side to earn funding rate, there are so much potential there.
[2016-07-06 12:49:01] subjective : What is the best contact to discuss further info@bitmex?
[2016-07-06 12:50:22] subjective : RE: synthetic currency, are u guys going to use anything like USDT?
[2016-07-06 12:51:37] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETHXBT`: Buy 47 @ 0.01568
[2016-07-06 12:51:53] BitMEX_Greg : subjective: Heya where in Aus are you from?
[2016-07-06 12:52:06] subjective : Syd
[2016-07-06 12:52:38] BitMEX_Greg : I'm from Syd too, was just down there actually.
[2016-07-06 12:53:14] subjective : BitMEX_Greg: lol, let me know if u ever coming again. I started a co-working space here call HackerLabs
[2016-07-06 12:53:52] BitMEX_Greg : Oh nice, where is the space? I know a few guys looking for some co-working space now
[2016-07-06 12:54:13] subjective : really, Surry HIlls
[2016-07-06 12:54:36] subjective : it's for high-caliber hackers and creatives, 5 desks left
[2016-07-06 12:55:42] BitMEX_Greg : Ok cool, I'll let my friends know
[2016-07-06 12:56:13] subjective : admin@hackerlabs.com.au
[2016-07-06 12:56:47] subjective : I'd love some crypto guys in here. we have a few media, mobile, ecommerce startups
[2016-07-06 12:57:28] BitMEX_Greg : Have you reached out to any of the Australian exchanges or wallets?
[2016-07-06 12:58:30] subjective : not yet, still pretty new to the crypto scene here. been too a ETH meetup for free drink once
[2016-07-06 13:25:21] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 4 @ 0.01548 :punch: :whale:
[2016-07-06 15:12:49] ice-wl : Bitmex
[2016-07-06 15:13:06] BitMEX_Sam : Hey there
[2016-07-06 15:58:19] rapidtrades : not even 2 days of selling before the mindless buying starts
[2016-07-06 15:58:26] rapidtrades : this is some grade A bullshit
[2016-07-06 15:58:56] rapidtrades : that's how long riskoff lasts now....36 hrs
[2016-07-06 16:13:09] ice-wl : a
[2016-07-06 18:07:34] zanza : when the halving starts, will there be a huge drop in hash rate
[2016-07-06 18:07:47] zanza : will block be 20 minutes instead of 10 ?
[2016-07-06 18:09:05] zanza : rapidtrades: what is your forex calls ?
[2016-07-06 19:13:03] justinlooking : imo price would have to plummet for any significant amount of hash power to switch off
[2016-07-06 19:22:22] zanza : the halving is equivalent to half price bitcoin for miners
[2016-07-06 19:32:45] justinlooking : sure, for all the less efficient hashpower switching there will be as much or more efficient power switching on (again imo)
[2016-07-06 19:34:09] Skitrx : ooo where's it gonna go
[2016-07-06 19:34:11] Skitrx : http://i.imgur.com/YislHIc.jpg
[2016-07-06 21:00:54] Rado : Very boring right now
[2016-07-06 21:01:18] Rado : daily volatility down
[2016-07-06 21:01:32] Rado : calm before the storm?
[2016-07-06 21:06:07] Skitrx : starting to pick up for a bit
[2016-07-06 21:16:28] Skitrx : bitstamp had me worried for a sec
[2016-07-06 21:24:00] Avalanche : shakeout
[2016-07-06 21:24:11] BitMEX_Greg : Bitfinex starting to breakout
[2016-07-06 22:20:38] 1QaZxSw2 : seems to be a $3 premium over kaiko price
[2016-07-06 22:21:08] 1QaZxSw2 : why is mark price different from kaiko price
[2016-07-06 22:23:24] BitMEX_Greg : 1QaZxSw2: Just where the market is trading at right now. More buys than sells which is pushing the price up
[2016-07-06 22:23:55] 1QaZxSw2 : BitMEX_Greg: i meant why cant you use kaiko price as the mark price
[2016-07-06 22:24:52] BitMEX_Sam : We do, except there is a small amount of basis from the funding rate
[2016-07-06 22:26:23] BitMEX_Greg : 1QaZxSw2: yes apologies, misread your question. The mark price is reflective of the funding rate on top of the Kaiko price as per what Sam just wrote
[2016-07-06 22:48:47] 1QaZxSw2 : i see, thanks
[2016-07-06 22:58:49] Mrceaser : Hey guys do you notice something fishy going on with your trades?
[2016-07-06 22:59:26] BitMEX_Sam : Like what, Mrceaser?
[2016-07-06 23:01:37] QuantFocus : Mrceaser: Ya, mine are all making money. It's weird.
[2016-07-06 23:02:39] Mrceaser : I closed two trades with positive positions only to see both end up eroding my capital
[2016-07-06 23:02:44] Mrceaser : QuantFocus mine is the reverse
[2016-07-06 23:04:21] QuantFocus : I was just joking.
[2016-07-06 23:04:26] 1QaZxSw2 : Mrceaser: I've seen that a coupleof times, i think its the funding rate. whatever, there's a lot of variables in the way they compute P&L
[2016-07-06 23:04:46] 1QaZxSw2 : the ROE is not what you get when you close out
[2016-07-06 23:05:14] 1QaZxSw2 : check your sell price - buy price
[2016-07-06 23:05:16] QuantFocus : the roe is based on margin capital
[2016-07-06 23:06:59] 1QaZxSw2 : also your entry price changes on rebalance
[2016-07-06 23:12:06] Mrceaser : Its strange cos i have been trading on this platform for appreciable time now and this happened thrice this evening.
[2016-07-06 23:13:22] BitMEX_Sam : Keep an eye on your entry price; I can get into more detail but I'd need your permission to discuss your account
[2016-07-06 23:13:25] BitMEX_Sam : Otherwise we can continue via email
[2016-07-06 23:13:55] BitMEX_Sam : You can see your history at https://www.bitmex.com/app/tradeHistory
[2016-07-06 23:24:22] Speran49 : yeah i have a HUGE issue with my trade
[2016-07-06 23:25:17] Speran49 : realised pnl .8 xbt?
[2016-07-06 23:25:22] Mrceaser : @ Bitmex_Sam I have seen my history. I am clear about what happened but why it happened is my concern. I guess Speran49 has the same issues if I understand him well
[2016-07-06 23:25:31] Speran49 : well
[2016-07-06 23:25:38] Speran49 : my loss should have been small. 10% or so
[2016-07-06 23:25:48] Speran49 : but instead its 25%
[2016-07-06 23:25:56] Speran49 : i was on 15x margin and price only moved against me $10
[2016-07-06 23:26:09] Speran49 : yet rebalance show loss of 20%?
[2016-07-06 23:26:12] Speran49 : how the hell
[2016-07-06 23:26:35] Speran49 : this happened to me another time and it was crazy. I don't under stand how it can be so large
[2016-07-06 23:27:23] Speran49 : 7/06 you took .11 btc from me
[2016-07-06 23:27:25] BitMEX_Sam : Mrceaser: If you follow your entry and exit prices it is very clear.
[2016-07-06 23:27:46] BitMEX_Sam : Speran49: That's 0.011, not 0.11
[2016-07-06 23:28:18] Speran49 : it says -.11
[2016-07-06 23:28:41] Speran49 : -0.114848 XBT
[2016-07-06 23:29:13] BitMEX_Sam : Are you looking at a rebalance?
[2016-07-06 23:29:18] Speran49 : uh huh
[2016-07-06 23:29:30] Speran49 : "cash rebalance"
[2016-07-06 23:29:32] BitMEX_Sam : That's not "taking" money from you, you shorted and the price went up. That is simply realizing the loss as happens every day at a rebalance
[2016-07-06 23:29:40] BitMEX_Sam : Your position is still open.
[2016-07-06 23:29:56] BitMEX_Sam : (after a rebalance)
[2016-07-06 23:30:06] Speran49 : can you link me to where this is explained
[2016-07-06 23:30:24] Speran49 : cause the way you're saying it means that possible the price could jump up at the rebalance come back down and then go back up
[2016-07-06 23:30:26] BitMEX_Sam : See your trade history at https://www.bitmex.com/app/tradeHistory, and https://www.bitmex.com/app/dynamicProfitEqualisation#contract-settlement-rebalance about rebalance
[2016-07-06 23:30:29] Speran49 : causing me to lose twice
[2016-07-06 23:30:31] 1QaZxSw2 : rebalance is when your entry price changes to current price and profit/loss is settled
[2016-07-06 23:30:36] BitMEX_Sam : No, you wouldn't lose twice Speran49
[2016-07-06 23:30:48] BitMEX_Sam : It is simply moving unrealised PNL to realised PNL, the net effect on your account is 0
[2016-07-06 23:31:00] Speran49 : do you have a way to calculate pnl at a lower margin than 50x
[2016-07-06 23:31:05] Speran49 : i see only a 50x calculator
[2016-07-06 23:31:08] BitMEX_Sam : Yes, change your leverage
[2016-07-06 23:31:20] BitMEX_Sam : Oh, in the calculator -
[2016-07-06 23:31:31] BitMEX_Sam : Just multiply it out. Profit/Loss % is the raw PNL, ROE is multiplied by the max leverage
[2016-07-06 23:31:39] BitMEX_Sam : If you want to do, say, 25x, just multiply `Profit/Loss %` by 25
[2016-07-06 23:32:35] Speran49 : where do i find my pnl
[2016-07-06 23:34:41] Speran49 : also, what is your symbol on trading view?
[2016-07-06 23:34:55] Speran49 : i see you're using their platform here, but i'd rather use my personalized TV charts
[2016-07-06 23:37:39] BitMEX_Sam : Speran49: TradingView has delisted a few Bitcoin exchanges, including us, while they're doing a technical revamp on their backend
[2016-07-06 23:37:48] BitMEX_Sam : ETA on that is unfortunately a few months last we heard.
[2016-07-06 23:38:11] BitMEX_Sam : You can get a fullscreen chart by clicking the bar chart icon on the top middle of the chart. It's not the same, but close.
[2016-07-06 23:38:23] Speran49 : i have custom indicators
[2016-07-06 23:38:39] Speran49 : you have active pinescript i can use?
[2016-07-06 23:38:52] BitMEX_Sam : No, the embeddable widget doesn't do pinescript.
[2016-07-06 23:38:59] Speran49 : okay
[2016-07-06 23:39:02] Speran49 : now about the PNL
[2016-07-06 23:39:05] Speran49 : im looking at trade history
[2016-07-06 23:39:08] Speran49 : i see no pnl listed
[2016-07-06 23:39:24] Speran49 : i see fees and execution prices
[2016-07-06 23:40:11] Speran49 : i see one trade with a pnl total of .794 xbt apparently
[2016-07-06 23:40:39] Speran49 : which makes no sense to me
[2016-07-06 23:40:55] Speran49 : bitcoion moved 1.4% from my short price to my final sell
[2016-07-06 23:41:34] Speran49 : so my lose should have been .16 btc
[2016-07-06 23:41:40] Speran49 : but instead it was .2 btc?
[2016-07-06 23:41:46] Speran49 : where did the other .04 go?
[2016-07-06 23:41:54] Skitrx : did you sell at market?
[2016-07-06 23:42:00] Speran49 : hell no
[2016-07-06 23:42:58] Speran49 : wow looks like bitmex charged me almost .03 btc
[2016-07-06 23:43:02] Speran49 : wow
[2016-07-06 23:43:26] Mrceaser : Its crazy
[2016-07-06 23:44:43] Speran49 : where did sam go
[2016-07-06 23:45:02] Speran49 : you're reminding me why i shouldn't trade btc
[2016-07-06 23:46:30] BitMEX_Sam : Speran49: https://www.bitmex.com/app/swapsGuide
[2016-07-06 23:46:51] BitMEX_Sam : Perpetual swaps have a funding rate that emulates futures basis, as they act similar to a future without expiry so basis must be charged or received at intervals
[2016-07-06 23:46:59] BitMEX_Sam : It's not a BitMEX fee, it's paid between counterparties
[2016-07-06 23:47:15] Speran49 : can you approve my withdrawal sam?
[2016-07-06 23:47:38] Speran49 : that's fine. I just don't think this is for me
[2016-07-06 23:47:44] Speran49 : the cost are too high for what im trying to do
[2016-07-06 23:47:55] BitMEX_Sam : Speran49: Withdrawals are done daily at 13:00 UTC
[2016-07-06 23:48:06] Adura_ : What are you trying to do?
[2016-07-06 23:48:21] Speran49 : place longer term trades with low levels of margin
[2016-07-06 23:48:29] Speran49 : trade could take a few days to a week to work out
[2016-07-06 23:48:56] BitMEX_Sam : Try the quarterly future if you want a more standard long-dated future.
[2016-07-06 23:49:26] Speran49 : i can't chart it
[2016-07-06 23:49:34] Speran49 : im just going to go somewhere else. Thanks anyway.
[2016-07-06 23:49:49] Speran49 : oh and the fee was 4% of my position ever 8 hrs at 15x leverage
[2016-07-06 23:49:51] Speran49 : that's nuts man
[2016-07-06 23:50:18] BitMEX_Sam : The funding fee was 0.1%, that's 1.5%, not 4%.
[2016-07-06 23:51:20] BitMEX_Sam : 0.1% is a perfectly common lending rate on margin platforms - it's disingenuous regardless to multiply fees by leverage as if allowing larger position sizes with less capital is a downside.
[2016-07-06 23:51:25] Speran49 : i get 1.8% every 8 hrs
[2016-07-06 23:51:45] Speran49 : and i would be okay with that as a daily fee
[2016-07-06 23:51:52] Speran49 : but every 8 hrs seems high
[2016-07-06 23:51:53] BitMEX_Sam : You actually received fees at 15:00 UTC today
[2016-07-06 23:52:28] BitMEX_Sam : The funding is done every 8 hours to smooth out the system. If it were done more seldom the market would trade for longer at a discount/premium and the daily rate would likely be as high if not higher
[2016-07-06 23:52:43] Speran49 : that's fine
[2016-07-06 23:52:55] Speran49 : im just saying for me personally 1.8% every 8 hrs is high
[2016-07-06 23:53:43] Speran49 : 5.4% a day on only 15x margin
[2016-07-06 23:54:04] Speran49 : ever 4% would be high
[2016-07-06 23:54:21] Speran49 : anyway, no biggie. I tried it. Didn't work out. No biggie. Im sure plenty of people enjoy :)
[2016-07-06 23:57:54] zanza : sleger doesn't :)
[2016-07-06 23:58:23] zanza : doesn't everywhere have funding rates tho Speran49 ?
[2016-07-06 23:58:43] 1QaZxSw2 : anyone know where sleger is trading these days
[2016-07-06 23:59:28] 1QaZxSw2 : zanza: not everywhere, but there are a couple of less popular exchanges that don't have funding as thier model. They have sellprice-buyprice = profit
[2016-07-07 00:08:38] zanza : for example?
[2016-07-07 00:09:50] zanza : You kind of need to have the funding rate model for "spot" trading BTC
[2016-07-07 00:11:09] 1QaZxSw2 : a bit new, but i've been playing small sizes at coinpit.io
[2016-07-07 00:13:42] 1QaZxSw2 : dont go crazy on the leverage there: i dont dare try anything over 300x, the slider goes above 600x
[2016-07-07 00:20:05] 1QaZxSw2 : but none of the derivatives exchanges have good volume honestly except okc
[2016-07-07 00:26:58] 1QaZxSw2 : are charts frozen for you guys too? nothing moving for last 10 min
[2016-07-07 00:29:47] migz : btc pump soon as yuan is crumbling?
[2016-07-07 00:34:09] 1QaZxSw2 : honestly looks like chop
[2016-07-07 00:35:31] 1QaZxSw2 : disclosure: im long
[2016-07-07 01:03:29] Rado : BitMEX_Sam: is next funding rate available as an API call?
[2016-07-07 01:06:53] miramm1115 : Rado: https://www.bitmex.com/api/v1/instrument?symbol=XBTUSD
[2016-07-07 01:07:14] Rado : thanks miramm1115
[2016-07-07 01:07:14] miramm1115 : "fundingRate":0.001098,"indicativeFundingRate":0.001829
[2016-07-07 01:08:51] yerb : BitMEX_Sam: you there?
[2016-07-07 01:11:49] BitMEX_Arthur : yerb: can I help at all
[2016-07-07 01:22:19] yerb : BitMEX_Arthur: yeah, is there an option do download a csv of wallet balances?
[2016-07-07 01:22:31] yerb : oh, just found it, sorry
[2016-07-07 01:29:27] 1QaZxSw2 : i've sold a bunch at 682ish
[2016-07-07 01:33:22] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 768 @ 0.01527
[2016-07-07 01:38:41] yerb : BitMEX_Arthur: could you make a chart of wallet balance?
[2016-07-07 01:45:32] BitMEX_Arthur : What specifically do you want to chart?
[2016-07-07 01:47:04] yerb : BitMEX_Arthur: to quickly see account progress on a chart, i was thinking something like Tradingview strategy tester http://i.imgur.com/mqKgnth.png
[2016-07-07 01:59:07] yerb : or dark version http://i.imgur.com/073grWw.png
[2016-07-07 01:59:58] 1QaZxSw2 : yerb: nice chart where is it from
[2016-07-07 02:00:45] BitMEX_Arthur : Thanks for the suggestion we will look into it further internally
[2016-07-07 02:01:02] yerb : tradingview OKC strategy tester @1QaZxSw2
[2016-07-07 02:28:55] BuzzLightYear : BitMEX_Arthur: Hi~ I just logged in and i don't have any open position?? no order history? nothing @.@ doh
[2016-07-07 02:32:53] BitMEX_Sam : BuzzLightYear: Have you ever traded here with that account?
[2016-07-07 02:33:02] BitMEX_Sam : I am not seeing anything in your history.
[2016-07-07 02:33:34] BuzzLightYear : BitMEX_Sam: i traded 11hrs ago
[2016-07-07 02:33:54] BuzzLightYear : BitMEX_Sam: i should have one open order and order history
[2016-07-07 02:35:07] BuzzLightYear : BitMEX_Sam: i had log-in problem this morning
[2016-07-07 02:35:18] BitMEX_Sam : I see that in the logs. Just a minute, I'm taking a look at your history.
[2016-07-07 02:35:30] BuzzLightYear : BitMEX_Sam: all right. Thank you~
[2016-07-07 02:35:44] BitMEX_Sam : Ah, I typed in your account name incorrectly when I was looking you up. I see your history
[2016-07-07 02:36:30] BitMEX_Sam : Please see https://www.bitmex.com/app/tradeHistory
[2016-07-07 02:36:43] BitMEX_Sam : I see a bug that is causing some orders not to show up on the site. I will address that immediately
[2016-07-07 02:37:20] BuzzLightYear : BitMEX_Sam: all right. thank you for your help.
[2016-07-07 03:00:31] Rado : We need a product where you can make money if BTC is not moving :-)
[2016-07-07 03:00:57] 1QaZxSw2 : Rado: ya, thats called lending margin
[2016-07-07 03:01:32] Rado : Y
[2016-07-07 03:02:02] BitMEX_Sam : You can still make a decent % buying spot & selling the swap
[2016-07-07 03:03:31] Rado : If you get liquidated do you just add more btc from your stash
[2016-07-07 03:03:54] Rado : Since it's usd strategy
[2016-07-07 03:04:36] BitMEX_Sam : Well, a liquidation would really kill the profitability
[2016-07-07 03:04:52] BitMEX_Sam : Best to stave off liquidation by keeping ample margin available, or at the very least setting stops
[2016-07-07 03:05:21] Rado : So if I want to do this with 50 btc
[2016-07-07 03:05:38] Rado : How many would you recommend in here?
[2016-07-07 03:05:44] Rado : 5?
[2016-07-07 03:05:51] Rado : And trade 1
[2016-07-07 03:07:49] Rado : 32k contracts about 1 btc
[2016-07-07 03:08:37] Rado : How much would I make each 8 hr if the rate is 0.1
[2016-07-07 03:13:27] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 11593 @ 672.32
[2016-07-07 03:13:50] Rado : Maybe I should just move all 50 btc in here
[2016-07-07 03:29:11] Speran49 : Definitely suggest testing first mate
[2016-07-07 03:48:20] nip : Rado: for hedging i wouldnt use the full 100x leverage
[2016-07-07 04:14:17] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 2000 @ 669.95
[2016-07-07 04:14:32] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 30000 @ 668.80 **MEGA-REKT** :boom:
[2016-07-07 04:15:37] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 7988 @ 667.23
[2016-07-07 04:15:57] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 32000 @ 664.42 **MEGA-REKT** :boom:
[2016-07-07 04:16:09] REKT : :btc: :soon: :toilet:
[2016-07-07 04:16:09] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 222 @ 663.86
[2016-07-07 04:16:09] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 339072 @ 663.47 **REKTosaurus** :slot_machine: :moneybag: :fire:
[2016-07-07 04:16:09] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 339311 @ 662.80 **REKTosaurus** :slot_machine: :moneybag: :fire:
[2016-07-07 04:16:09] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 4400 @ 663.09
[2016-07-07 04:16:09] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 339795 @ 663.20 **REKTosaurus** :slot_machine: :moneybag: :fire:
[2016-07-07 04:16:09] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 339687 @ 663.14 **REKTosaurus** :slot_machine: :moneybag: :fire:
[2016-07-07 04:16:17] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 200 @ 660.45
[2016-07-07 04:16:24] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 64568 @ 658.39 **EPIC REKT** :unamused: :confounded: :astonished:
[2016-07-07 04:16:24] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 3000 @ 657.83
[2016-07-07 04:16:24] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 45 @ 657.86
[2016-07-07 04:16:24] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 10000 @ 658.51
[2016-07-07 04:16:24] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 100 @ 660.10
[2016-07-07 04:16:24] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 6800 @ 659.47
[2016-07-07 04:17:02] nip : DPE
[2016-07-07 04:17:10] atodorov07 : damn
[2016-07-07 04:17:22] nip : wow look at that unfilled
[2016-07-07 04:17:29] nip : so much for insurance fund
[2016-07-07 04:18:43] ayy_lmao : lol
[2016-07-07 04:19:48] mikeh : what the, 1445853
[2016-07-07 04:20:27] QuantFocus : hoooollly shit
[2016-07-07 04:21:31] nip : so many of those mega rekt were for 500 btc
[2016-07-07 04:22:15] 1QaZxSw2 : went away for dinner. rekt when im back
[2016-07-07 04:22:55] nip : 1QaZxSw2: it all happened in about a minute
[2016-07-07 04:25:02] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 100 @ 656.19
[2016-07-07 04:25:18] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 50 @ 654.93
[2016-07-07 04:25:18] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 48000 @ 654.25 **MEGA-REKT** :boom:
[2016-07-07 04:25:32] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 1 @ 653.56 :punch: :whale:
[2016-07-07 04:25:47] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 100 @ 652.15
[2016-07-07 04:26:02] mikeh : i wonder what the price would be if there was no margin trading
[2016-07-07 04:26:07] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 20000 @ 651.15 **MEGA-REKT** :boom:
[2016-07-07 04:26:22] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 25000 @ 650.11 **MEGA-REKT** :boom:
[2016-07-07 04:26:24] 1QaZxSw2 : every time i double my account i go back to square 1
[2016-07-07 04:26:42] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 700 @ 648.78
[2016-07-07 04:26:59] mikeh : annoying
[2016-07-07 04:27:15] micmix : 1QaZxSw2: lower your leverage
[2016-07-07 04:27:32] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 30049 @ 647.99 **MEGA-REKT** :boom:
[2016-07-07 04:27:48] mikeh : i've given myself a safer liq price of 597 after being rekt like 10 times the last time i tried this :)
[2016-07-07 04:28:11] mikeh : i probably jinxed myself now
[2016-07-07 04:28:17] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 5000 @ 647.56
[2016-07-07 04:28:23] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 100 @ 646.34
[2016-07-07 04:28:23] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 9500 @ 646.22
[2016-07-07 04:28:32] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 277 @ 644.63
[2016-07-07 04:28:33] ayy_lmao : ayy there is my liquidation
[2016-07-07 04:28:33] ayy_lmao : lol
[2016-07-07 04:28:38] migz : Rek train there. lol
[2016-07-07 04:28:42] 1QaZxSw2 : nah, my mistake was being away from keyboard without stop
[2016-07-07 04:28:46] ayy_lmao : rekt
[2016-07-07 04:29:09] mikeh : damn
[2016-07-07 04:29:18] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 1 @ 640.19 :punch: :whale:
[2016-07-07 04:29:18] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 1000 @ 640.48
[2016-07-07 04:29:18] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 6 @ 639.05
[2016-07-07 04:29:27] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 680 @ 637.03
[2016-07-07 04:29:27] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 40000 @ 636.94 **MEGA-REKT** :boom:
[2016-07-07 04:29:46] micmix : mikeh: 597 might not be that safe after all
[2016-07-07 04:30:02] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBJ24H`: Sell 5200 @ 64555.0
[2016-07-07 04:30:11] mikeh : yea.. it doesn't stop until it gets below most liq price
[2016-07-07 04:30:51] mikeh : buy the dip!
[2016-07-07 04:31:00] mikeh : it's not a knife :]
[2016-07-07 04:31:10] nip : im so close to liquidated
[2016-07-07 04:31:32] ayy_lmao : lol mine was at 645
[2016-07-07 04:31:47] ayy_lmao : 646
[2016-07-07 04:31:54] elmorte : damnit China
[2016-07-07 04:32:13] mikeh : china china china
[2016-07-07 04:32:39] nip : 634 HODL
[2016-07-07 04:33:18] ayy_lmao : gotta love that $40 long squeeze in 30 minutes
[2016-07-07 04:33:23] mikeh : problem is all the regular traders that don't know the cause of a dump and panic sell
[2016-07-07 04:34:18] rapidtrades : whats up? that's a large drop in 10 mins
[2016-07-07 04:35:03] micmix : nip: you are not safe, next one is starting soon
[2016-07-07 04:35:28] elmorte : micmix: for real?
[2016-07-07 04:35:56] micmix : well okc got their dump bot going, if they don't turn it off it's going down more
[2016-07-07 04:35:57] elmorte : nip: you better top up man...
[2016-07-07 04:36:13] elmorte : k, I was lookin at huob
[2016-07-07 04:36:15] nip : no its got to hold
[2016-07-07 04:37:05] Tetsuo : bulltards will never learn
[2016-07-07 04:38:24] nip : Tetsuo: at what price did you start saying that?
[2016-07-07 04:38:40] mikeh : tard o'clock
[2016-07-07 04:38:43] nip : here it comes
[2016-07-07 04:38:48] nip : back up
[2016-07-07 04:39:41] QuantFocus : who's going to buy back the 1.6MM?
[2016-07-07 04:39:43] Tetsuo : nip: last time yesdterday @670
[2016-07-07 04:39:56] QuantFocus : oh, 1.8 now
[2016-07-07 04:40:03] mikeh : considering the global economy, people don't want to be out of a long position
[2016-07-07 04:40:50] nip : the woodchipper has no unfilled liquidations
[2016-07-07 04:41:06] nip : someone must have bought on the way down
[2016-07-07 04:41:12] nip : someone is buying this dip
[2016-07-07 04:41:22] micmix : another round