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[2016-07-05 17:13:15] arbitrage001 : price here, that is
[2016-07-05 17:13:35] Rado : Swap at $5 discount to spot
[2016-07-05 17:13:42] rapidtrades : that doesn't make any sense but w/e
[2016-07-05 17:13:59] arbitrage001 : Rado: yes, next funding rate will be interesting
[2016-07-05 17:16:42] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : Does it seem like the funding rates have been lower than usual recently?
[2016-07-05 17:19:22] rapidtrades : time for another dumperino!
[2016-07-05 17:23:49] Chimpindeed : gee i wonder who would be trading against the longs?
[2016-07-05 17:24:03] BitMEX_Sam : My guess is: shorts
[2016-07-05 17:24:13] rapidtrades : the jews? @Chimpindeed
[2016-07-05 17:24:28] Chimpindeed : ( : < eeesh
[2016-07-05 17:25:12] Chimpindeed : Maybe its gypsies
[2016-07-05 17:29:12] rapidtrades : too poor to short
[2016-07-05 17:29:37] rapidtrades : guess they could steal them tho...so ur prolly right @Chimpindeed
[2016-07-05 17:29:43] rapidtrades : f racist....
[2016-07-05 17:29:51] lockhedge : let's agree on agnostic digital nomads
[2016-07-05 17:31:14] rapidtrades : are gypsies agnostic? aren't they pagans
[2016-07-05 17:31:56] Chimpindeed : They know Wycoff
[2016-07-05 17:34:14] QuantFocus : I know Madoff
[2016-07-05 17:38:15] rapidtrades : now only $2 premium...ghay
[2016-07-05 17:39:44] Rado : I should probably go short here
[2016-07-05 17:52:25] zanza : rapidtrades: where is oil going ?
[2016-07-05 17:53:00] BTCDJS : zanza: to the refineries
[2016-07-05 17:53:14] BTCDJS : they make petrol and diesel out of it
[2016-07-05 17:53:23] zanza : lies
[2016-07-05 17:53:33] BTCDJS : no swear to god
[2016-07-05 17:53:38] zanza : i was told dinosaurs made it?
[2016-07-05 17:53:39] BTCDJS : its true
[2016-07-05 17:53:41] zanza : wtf
[2016-07-05 17:54:05] Mr Blue : ?? ???? blood moon ?????
[2016-07-05 17:54:05] BTCDJS : mind blown eh?
[2016-07-05 17:54:58] zanza : where does Orange Juice come from ?
[2016-07-05 17:55:15] BTCDJS : the himalayas
[2016-07-05 17:55:40] BTCDJS : the buddhists make it
[2016-07-05 17:56:59] BTCDJS : guess what they make it from
[2016-07-05 17:57:16] Mr Blue : zanza: well it's not dead creatures that's for sure lol, though the soil that grows the tree might be, I'm going to just say Earth lol
[2016-07-05 18:04:35] investor : this site only good for shorting holding the price down on the rises , hmmmmm
[2016-07-05 18:05:35] Mr Blue : investor: don't worry about it, will brake 670 soon enough, if not just buy more as it drops
[2016-07-05 18:06:49] Mr Blue : investor: what leverage you on?
[2016-07-05 18:07:28] investor : Mr Blue: 50x
[2016-07-05 18:10:11] Mr Blue : investor: now I see why your worried lol, any chance you can lower it to x5 / x10 if not you'll need to keep doubling up every $3 drop so might be best to take the loss if you can't do that ten times I'm bullish but x50 seems risky as hell at the moment lol, hope it pumps to the stars for you mate
[2016-07-05 18:16:15] justinlooking : well said sir, we are limboland
[2016-07-05 18:17:38] Mr Blue : justinlooking: seems that way for longs, unless you just got in at the bottom lol
[2016-07-05 18:18:33] Mr Blue : investor: you must be in profits on your x50 by now, when will you start profit taking?
[2016-07-05 18:21:19] investor : ill take profits when i see fit
[2016-07-05 18:22:07] Mr Blue : Lol cool, same here
[2016-07-05 18:37:16] rapidtrades : we're back in full crisis mode again
[2016-07-05 18:39:12] rapidtrades : brexit allowed china to sneak in that large devaluation
[2016-07-05 18:39:34] rapidtrades : but i doubt they will be able to continue now
[2016-07-05 19:03:30] Hashmine88 : is there a dev available that can answer a few ?
[2016-07-05 19:12:52] rapidtrades : i'm a dev...kinda
[2016-07-05 19:13:26] Hashmine88 : i want to trade btc on margin. Im not sure how? it looks like it is all perpetual swap?
[2016-07-05 19:13:50] Hashmine88 : is that normal btc margin trading?
[2016-07-05 19:14:14] rapidtrades : no its a swap
[2016-07-05 19:14:33] Hashmine88 : is there normal margin trading?
[2016-07-05 19:14:33] rapidtrades : zanza: down
[2016-07-05 19:14:48] rapidtrades : Hashmine88: no all futures and swaps here
[2016-07-05 19:15:22] rapidtrades : Hashmine88: https://www.bitmex.com/app/seriesGuide/XBT
[2016-07-05 19:15:37] Hashmine88 : thanks
[2016-07-05 19:16:45] ayy_lmao : Hashmine88: the perpetual is similar to bitfinex margin trading
[2016-07-05 19:17:06] Hashmine88 : ok, thanks. Im trying to figutre it out
[2016-07-05 19:17:10] ayy_lmao : funding and liquidations are handled differently tho
[2016-07-05 19:17:43] rapidtrades : and large clawbacks happen from time to time
[2016-07-05 19:19:31] Hashmine88 : if i buy 1 btc worth of contracts for 660 and sell when it is at 670. Is it basicly the same as bitfinex?
[2016-07-05 19:19:43] Hashmine88 : $10 profit?
[2016-07-05 19:20:48] rapidtrades : not exactly
[2016-07-05 19:21:27] Hashmine88 : so short term daily trades are no good here?
[2016-07-05 19:22:11] BitMEX_Sam : Hashmine88: Short-term daily trades are very good here
[2016-07-05 19:22:55] Hashmine88 : ok, well i dont understand it yet. Ill just jump in. If i drown atleast I tried.
[2016-07-05 19:23:07] rapidtrades : loooool
[2016-07-05 19:23:12] BitMEX_Sam : If you bought 1 BTC of contracts and the price rose from 660 to 670, you would make 1.49% at 1x, nearly 75% at 50x
[2016-07-05 19:23:34] BitMEX_Sam : The contract size is very simple - 1 contract = 1 USD
[2016-07-05 19:25:24] Hashmine88 : so if i use 25x about how much does the market move before I get liquidated.
[2016-07-05 19:26:00] Mr Blue : Hashmine88: by $1 worth and find out lol
[2016-07-05 19:26:28] Hashmine88 : great advice. thank you
[2016-07-05 19:26:53] BitMEX_Sam : @25x, would be 3.5% before liquidation
[2016-07-05 19:27:05] BitMEX_Sam : Roughly $23.70 move.
[2016-07-05 19:27:08] Hashmine88 : thats the answer Im looking for.
[2016-07-05 19:27:21] Hashmine88 : thanks Sam
[2016-07-05 19:27:24] BitMEX_Sam : 25x is an initial margin of 4%, maintenance margin on XBTUSD is 0.5%
[2016-07-05 19:27:28] BitMEX_Sam : So difference is 3.5% :)
[2016-07-05 19:27:55] rapidtrades : plus funding
[2016-07-05 19:28:00] BitMEX_Sam : Yes, true.
[2016-07-05 19:28:10] BitMEX_Sam : Right now longs will receive.
[2016-07-05 19:38:18] Hashmine88 : so if i just bought 666 contracts is that 666 dollars or 1 dollar?
[2016-07-05 19:40:24] BitMEX_Sam : 666 dollars
[2016-07-05 20:01:06] Avalanche : earning with holding long, soo nice :)
[2016-07-05 20:01:41] Avalanche : next rate is even better
[2016-07-05 20:01:46] Avalanche : 2x
[2016-07-05 20:03:21] Avalanche : keeping big shorts is very unprofitable now
[2016-07-05 20:03:28] Tetsuo : Avalanche: at least you will have your 3 seconds of fame when you will get highlighted by the rekt bot
[2016-07-05 20:35:18] nip : good funding
[2016-07-05 20:35:56] nip : so we can make btc on our btc :)
[2016-07-05 20:39:14] justinlooking : is there a way to pull open interest over time from api sam? or can only be collated from instrument subscription?
[2016-07-05 20:48:17] kasman5 : is there anywhere to view interest payouts?
[2016-07-05 20:48:33] justinlooking : appear as funding in trade history
[2016-07-05 20:50:06] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETHXBT`: Buy 95 @ 0.01504
[2016-07-05 20:50:17] kasman5 : justinlooking: cheers
[2016-07-05 20:54:45] BitMEX_Greg : kasman5: If you just want to view the funding then you can put the following query into the search box: `{"execType":"Funding"}`
[2016-07-05 20:56:30] BitMEX_Greg : justinlooking: I'll find out from Sam.
[2016-07-05 20:57:13] justinlooking : ty greg, i think i asked before but cannot remember outcome :s
[2016-07-05 20:59:38] justinlooking : would be great if hover on qty in recent trades show OI net change, but think unlikely that many others would find it useful
[2016-07-05 21:05:21] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETHXBT`: Buy 3000 @ 0.01522
[2016-07-05 21:06:51] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETHXBT`: Buy 194 @ 0.01532
[2016-07-05 21:14:28] Rizky : is the option to modify active orders in the works?
[2016-07-05 21:15:17] justinlooking : Rizky: u can via api
[2016-07-05 21:16:23] Rizky : thanks, but asking about front end
[2016-07-05 21:30:26] Mr Blue : I bet guy who shorted 200k must be shiting bricks by now lol
[2016-07-05 21:32:57] Mr Blue : What was short at like 666 or below, hope for his sake wasn't x50 lmao
[2016-07-05 21:38:21] Stefanowic : Yup, pretty huge amount on the line there
[2016-07-05 21:41:51] Mr Blue : Stefanowic: ye must be a whale
[2016-07-05 21:43:30] Rasign : Mr Blue: maybe he closed is long
[2016-07-05 21:43:34] Stefanowic : Yep, must be a calculated move.
[2016-07-05 21:49:13] Mr Blue : Rasign: if he did must of been at a loss, unless he's been holding since 650 / 640 but then why not already of sold at 678 range, we'll see but I'd be on the toilet by now lol.
[2016-07-05 21:49:57] Mr Blue : Well not now, but if spot starts to go 672+
[2016-07-05 21:51:06] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETHXBT`: Buy 20 @ 0.01524
[2016-07-05 21:53:25] Mr Blue : ?
[2016-07-05 21:57:53] BitMEX_Greg : justinlooking: We don't have a command to pull this yet, but its in the pipeline.
[2016-07-05 22:01:17] rullwull : more dump please, waiting for <600
[2016-07-05 22:02:12] justinlooking : ok greg ty. is modify order price+qty thru front end also in pipeline?
[2016-07-05 22:13:34] Mr Blue : Looks like we just reached a turning point to my crystal ball, will be 690 soon or 650 lol
[2016-07-05 22:15:17] BitMEX_Greg : justinlooking: Not to my knowledge. Will leave it to Sam, he's just away atm
[2016-07-05 22:32:54] Rizky : BitMEX_Greg: thanks Greg
[2016-07-05 22:35:09] rullwull : Mr Blue: wait for the chinese 10am, could be red
[2016-07-05 22:36:01] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBJ24H`: Sell 145 @ 68038.0
[2016-07-05 22:39:29] Mr Blue : rullwull: haha ye but I'm still hoping that red wakes up a Chinese bull
[2016-07-05 22:42:07] rullwull : @Mr Blue im also bullish in btc, but currently we are in correction phase, as soon as retracement is completed i believe we can test a new highs.
[2016-07-05 22:42:38] rullwull : this is what i see in the charts, but of course i can be wrong
[2016-07-05 22:42:53] Mr Blue : rullwull: cool, I'm happy to buy more if it drops
[2016-07-05 22:44:16] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBJ24H`: Sell 1 @ 67709.0 :punch: :whale:
[2016-07-05 22:46:48] rullwull : too risky to buy too early with leavarage, spot is no prob, however I fixed almost 9 btc profit on okc today from shorts and still keep shorts in profit zone on many exchanges
[2016-07-05 22:51:01] Mr Blue : rullwull: ye I've been buying early like an idiot gone a little far with 6700 contacts at 671 average entry, but I have a 5000 buy in at 600 and like 3000 in buys in the 650 /640 range incase it drops hard.
[2016-07-05 22:51:18] Mr Blue : rullwull: grats on the 9 BTC profit mate
[2016-07-05 22:55:05] rullwull : Mr Blue: thanks, very happy with it. wish to stop trading on vacation, but its impossible) going to boat trip tomorrow, hope there won't be connection on the islands, can relax with my family
[2016-07-05 22:56:12] Mr Blue : rullwull: sounds nice what part of the world you visiting ?
[2016-07-05 22:56:51] rullwull : croatia
[2016-07-05 22:57:47] Mr Blue : rullwull: nice, ye would be a good place to start a yacht trip, you got all the Greek islands close by as well
[2016-07-05 22:58:32] justinlooking : Mr Blue: move ur 600 up to 611, i think if u got 600 u would not want them...
[2016-07-05 22:59:09] rullwull : I'm over 5 years experience skiper, have my own boat here, croatia is my second home, love this country
[2016-07-05 22:59:30] Mr Blue : justinlooking: it's more just there for security blanket mate, so I can't get liquidated till $500
[2016-07-05 22:59:36] belcher : which islands are you going to rullwull ?
[2016-07-05 22:59:46] ayy_lmao : trading is one hell of a drug
[2016-07-05 22:59:51] rullwull : vsited greece many times, wonderful place
[2016-07-05 23:00:45] rullwull : belcher: currently in dolmacia, going to brac tomorrow
[2016-07-05 23:01:23] Mr Blue : rullwull: cool, maybe you can give me sailing tips one time, I don't no how to sail yet but been looking at buying a cheap Virgo Voyager, would probably sell 5x the price in Croatia
[2016-07-05 23:01:36] belcher : cool rullwull
[2016-07-05 23:01:41] belcher : do you speak any croatian?
[2016-07-05 23:01:58] rullwull : Mr Blue: i like comfort, use a motorboat)
[2016-07-05 23:02:40] rullwull : belcher: i can speak a little and understand quite well, but my wife speaks very well croatian
[2016-07-05 23:03:08] belcher : cool, im glad you like it :)
[2016-07-05 23:03:27] Mr Blue : rullwull: I see you got a big fancy one lol, well the Virgo Voyager does have an inboard engine, + I'd like sails for long trips, only problem is it's small 24ft but they say can sleep 6 people
[2016-07-05 23:04:19] Mr Blue : It's literally the best cheap yacht on the market lol
[2016-07-05 23:05:17] rullwull : Mr Blue: its not so big, i have 38, for croatia is more than enough, cause you won't go to open sea, travel around islands
[2016-07-05 23:06:34] rullwull : sailing is cool, but it requires more work, motor boat is for pure relax
[2016-07-05 23:07:21] Mr Blue : rullwull: nice +1 mate, hopefully if I do few lucky trades I'll join you with a 38 lol, but I think with larger boats they make you have a crew, and I ride solo lol
[2016-07-05 23:09:00] Mr Blue : rullwull: true, guess a motor boat would be cool If I had the money for an electric engine and solar panels I'd kit it out, would be the new sails of the sea, solar power lol, with back up petrol outboard.
[2016-07-05 23:09:16] rullwull : Mr Blue: i would say you its possible to drive by your own on the daily base up to 60
[2016-07-05 23:09:50] Mr Blue : rullwull: that's legal?? I've only researched sail boats
[2016-07-05 23:10:41] rullwull : my license is category B, its up to 15 m, so i cant drive it, but its not a problem to get another category
[2016-07-05 23:18:25] Mr Blue : rullwull: hmm tricky lol for a sail boat in the UK if going to sea and not inland waterways, you don't even need a licence, but you do for the radio lol, + EU insurance, I'd rather not have to do tests, but guess a motor boat is a different class, sail boats don't move fast 6 notts tops for the Virgo Voyager .
[2016-07-05 23:19:50] rapidtrades : does a graphics card matter for trading/programing
[2016-07-05 23:20:51] rapidtrades : micmix: yes/no?
[2016-07-05 23:21:03] rapidtrades : BitMEX_Sam: yes/no?
[2016-07-05 23:22:00] Mr Blue : rapidtrades: ye if you want to see what's on the screen lol
[2016-07-05 23:23:06] rapidtrades : is this fine for a notebook http://www.notebookcheck.net/Intel-Core-i7-6500U-Notebook-Processor.149431.0.html
[2016-07-05 23:23:12] miramm1115 : rapidtrades: no unless you are doing fancy math using GPU acceleration
[2016-07-05 23:23:39] rullwull : Mr Blue: there are distance limitations for several categories, my category has a limitation, but i don't remember exactly how much, however i traveled thru adriactic from croatia to italy, italian custom didn't have any problem with my license
[2016-07-05 23:23:49] Mr Blue : rapidtrades: you won't need one w.e your using will already have one mate, I was joking
[2016-07-05 23:25:01] miramm1115 : rapidtrades: should be good, make sure to get enough memory, at least 8gb, and SSD drive for the OS, even if it's a small one
[2016-07-05 23:25:22] rapidtrades : yeah that's the plan
[2016-07-05 23:25:27] Mr Blue : rullwull: cool, what about mooring costs?? I'd rather set anchor than pay mooring lol
[2016-07-05 23:27:48] Mr Blue : rullwull: I seen cyprus have some pretty decent free moorings
[2016-07-05 23:28:06] Mr Blue : Northern cyprus
[2016-07-05 23:31:05] rullwull : Mr Blue: its not a costs issue for me,cause to use my boat in croatia doesn't cost too much, its about your preferences, i can enjoy a wild places on the anchor or stay a night in the port of a big city to go to a nice restaurant for the dinner
[2016-07-05 23:31:39] rapidtrades : dam meltdown continues...cable below 1.30
[2016-07-05 23:32:25] rapidtrades : gold 1363
[2016-07-05 23:32:38] rapidtrades : we have a full blown crisis now
[2016-07-05 23:33:44] rapidtrades : yuan testing highs at 6.6950
[2016-07-05 23:35:22] rapidtrades : gonna be rly hard for the PBOC to continue devaluing now
[2016-07-05 23:37:57] rapidtrades : who knows tho...bankers are pretty stupid
[2016-07-05 23:38:36] Mr Blue : rullwull: ye sounds good mate, if a little yacht it's easy to even beach on mud flats if you have a twin keep, I'm more of the adventure sort, unless I needed fresh water or didn't have solar panals, in a bigger boat I guess mooring and maintenance would be more of sn issue,, but your living the dream mate for sure, you took her to other oceans?? Would she handle the south pacific?
[2016-07-05 23:38:56] Mr Blue : Twin keel
[2016-07-05 23:42:25] rullwull : Mr Blue: no, she wouldn't handle oceans) tbh I'm not looking for extreme, simply wanna enjoy my life)
[2016-07-05 23:42:29] Mr Blue : rullwull: if your up for an adventure transport few of us Bitcoin supporters to Pitcairn island, we'll get granted free land, and once we have the numbers ? all's fair in an election vote lol
[2016-07-05 23:45:48] Mr Blue : rullwull: you sure it's a 38ft I've been thinking about doing it in a 24ft, depends if your boat is a displacement hull / keel, if not ye you got speed but don't want to be out in bad seas.
[2016-07-05 23:47:32] rullwull : @Mr Blue my boat has a range of 11 hrs drive on full tanks, 24 ft sailing boat possibly can cross the ocean
[2016-07-05 23:48:26] rapidtrades : Trump was judged more honest and trustworthy than Clinton, 45 percent to 37 percent, in a Quinnipiac University national poll of registered voters conducted June 21-27.
[2016-07-05 23:48:41] rapidtrades : LOL
[2016-07-05 23:52:39] Mr Blue : rullwull: nice, hopefully one day I'll make it down your way via the French canals
[2016-07-05 23:54:27] rullwull : Mr Blue: good luck! going to bed, wish a happy trading
[2016-07-05 23:54:59] Mr Blue : rullwull: night mate, tell your wife I said she's a lucky bugger lol
[2016-07-05 23:55:58] rullwull : Mr Blue: thanks, you should see my wife to say how lucky I'm)
[2016-07-05 23:59:24] Mr Blue : rullwull: haha you suck up, have a fun night mate
[2016-07-05 23:59:50] Mr Blue : Hmm back to trading lol
[2016-07-06 00:00:37] Mr Blue : Or waiting lol as the day seems to of turned out, think I might put my orders in and get some sleep too guys
[2016-07-06 01:16:11] rapidtrades : PBOC sets USD/CNY mid-point today at 6.6857 (vs. yesterday at 6.6594)
[2016-07-06 01:16:49] rapidtrades : big move but still trailing offshore rate
[2016-07-06 01:18:43] rapidtrades : maybe this will finally shift bloomberg from talking endlessly about brexit to the real problems
[2016-07-06 01:19:01] rapidtrades : who knows tho, reporters are pretty stupid
[2016-07-06 01:21:32] rapidtrades : PBOC prolly overplayed its hand now....this could easily backfire
[2016-07-06 01:28:25] rapidtrades : new lows for yen pairs, stocks
[2016-07-06 01:28:50] Avalanche : get ready shorts :)
[2016-07-06 01:31:39] rapidtrades : http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-07-05/chinese-day-traders-are-behind-silver-frenzy-moving-prices
[2016-07-06 01:35:51] boolander : so, when is the gold/silver levered product gonna make her debut again bitmexians? ;-)
[2016-07-06 01:39:19] rapidtrades : http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-07-05/chinageddon-gold-spikes-usdjpy-yuan-bond-yields-plunge
[2016-07-06 01:39:58] boolander : ^^
[2016-07-06 01:40:05] boolander : central banking belief system is breaking down
[2016-07-06 01:43:08] rapidtrades : boolander: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-07-05/central-bank-death-cross
[2016-07-06 01:44:52] boolander : don't believe yer lyin eyes!
[2016-07-06 01:53:16] rapidtrades : Hillary clinton emails....on f bloomberg
[2016-07-06 01:53:55] rapidtrades : still nothing about yuan devaluation on home page
[2016-07-06 01:55:03] Rado : got long on this fomo
[2016-07-06 01:55:08] Rado : stop at 667
[2016-07-06 01:55:45] Rado : rapidtrades: nice articles
[2016-07-06 01:55:59] Rado : I love to entertain myself with zerohedge
[2016-07-06 01:56:22] Rado : he is eternal pesimist
[2016-07-06 01:57:24] rapidtrades : 'hunt for havens'
[2016-07-06 01:57:35] rapidtrades : that's how bloomberg is classifying this market rout
[2016-07-06 01:58:11] boolander : clowns
[2016-07-06 01:58:34] rapidtrades : The GDP value of the United Kingdom represents 4.60 percent of the world economy.
[2016-07-06 01:58:55] rapidtrades : The GDP value of China represents 17.53 percent of the world economy.
[2016-07-06 02:00:01] rapidtrades : 'worries about brexit and global growth' : bloomberg
[2016-07-06 02:01:39] boolander : brexit was the catalyst. the clowns at bloomberg gotta set the agenda to clear a smooth path for janet and her robo-printers
[2016-07-06 02:02:26] boolander : this 10-yr gonna be sub 1% before weeks end
[2016-07-06 02:03:29] rapidtrades : right the knee-jerk reaction after brexit allowed the PBOC to stealth devalue
[2016-07-06 02:04:15] rapidtrades : yuan just barreled past 6.70..now 6.7040
[2016-07-06 02:07:12] rapidtrades : 6.7070 now
[2016-07-06 02:10:12] rapidtrades : cable flash crashed 100 pips few mins ago
[2016-07-06 02:15:40] zanza : Kyle Bass must be prtty happy
[2016-07-06 02:18:01] rapidtrades : zanza: still short oil?
[2016-07-06 02:31:35] zanza : wasn't he long oil/energy?
[2016-07-06 02:32:00] zanza : http://blogs.wsj.com/moneybeat/2016/05/24/hedge-fund-star-kyle-bass-slips-on-oil-energy-journal/
[2016-07-06 02:36:53] Rado : rapidtrades: did the yuan have a direct impact on BTC price?
[2016-07-06 02:37:04] Rado : I am not sure if the pop was at the time of the rate release
[2016-07-06 03:10:51] NukeLaloosh : below the April 101.75 consensus: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-04-08/when-will-boj-intervene-what-wall-street-thinks-kurodas-breaking-point
[2016-07-06 03:43:15] rapidtrades : zanza: i was talking about u
[2016-07-06 03:43:57] rapidtrades : Rado: there is small positive correlation between weak yuan and higher btc prices
[2016-07-06 03:44:33] rapidtrades : it was 0.5 or 0.6 last time i looked
[2016-07-06 03:45:23] rapidtrades : NukeLaloosh: they just jawboned the yen....pairs spiked 50 pips in 1 min
[2016-07-06 04:05:21] Rado : I git paid on my long
[2016-07-06 04:05:42] Rado : Next 8 hr longs still get paid
[2016-07-06 04:05:48] Rado : Interesting
[2016-07-06 04:07:24] ayy_lmao : get money get paid
[2016-07-06 04:09:37] Rado : :-)
[2016-07-06 04:10:20] Rado : My ETH bot just closed a short trade
[2016-07-06 04:10:36] Rado : +30% on that trade
[2016-07-06 04:12:10] rapidtrades : u c*nt
[2016-07-06 04:12:57] Rado : You can rent my bot by the way
[2016-07-06 04:13:11] Rado : Only 0.135 btc per month
[2016-07-06 04:13:43] Rado : I havr one guy that rented it and put 30 btc
[2016-07-06 04:13:59] rapidtrades : u can not be srs
[2016-07-06 04:14:07] Rado : I started my two instances with 0.75 btc each
[2016-07-06 04:14:25] Rado : One on Polo and one on Bfx
[2016-07-06 04:14:41] Rado : Now i have over 4 btc
[2016-07-06 04:14:57] rapidtrades : cool beans
[2016-07-06 04:15:41] Rado : Very happy, my first try to write code for a bot
[2016-07-06 04:16:16] rapidtrades : python?
[2016-07-06 04:31:04] jung1 : morning
[2016-07-06 04:32:22] jung1 : Rado: you rent on https://cryptotrader.org/ ?
[2016-07-06 04:48:25] micmix : Rado: why would you rent a profitable bot? just give it your life savings and you'll be millionaire in a year
[2016-07-06 04:48:40] micmix : or totally broke ;)
[2016-07-06 04:53:46] jung1 : same as there is so many forex teachers around there with profitable strategies
[2016-07-06 04:54:21] jung1 : you know how to make 1mln on forex? sell 1000 copies of your video with best strategy ever for 100$ each
[2016-07-06 04:54:44] jung1 : but renting a profitable bot is like going long on uptrend
[2016-07-06 04:55:00] jung1 : makeing money while making money
[2016-07-06 04:58:16] micmix : doesn't work that way. you rent a bot to a guy with enough money and he will suck up all liquidity. you won't make anything except your 0.1 coin per month
[2016-07-06 05:01:16] boolander : guess chinese no like the continued devaluation
[2016-07-06 05:06:35] jung1 : market is not shure about pump before halving
[2016-07-06 05:08:09] Roevenger : this triangle breakout will be insane when it happens though
[2016-07-06 05:11:09] jung1 : question is in which way
[2016-07-06 05:23:09] Rado : Rapidtrades: it's coffee script
[2016-07-06 05:23:16] Rado : Yes jung1
[2016-07-06 05:24:32] Rado : Micmix you are not wrong
[2016-07-06 05:24:42] Rado : I just started with this
[2016-07-06 05:24:56] Rado : Trying to create an even better bot now
[2016-07-06 05:25:44] Rado : I guess was scarec to put all my btc on my first try
[2016-07-06 05:25:57] Rado : It turned out to be a winner
[2016-07-06 05:26:20] jung1 : Rado: send link to it
[2016-07-06 05:27:08] Rado : https://cryptotrader.org/?r=467
[2016-07-06 05:27:53] Rado : Bot is called RADO ST1
[2016-07-06 05:28:17] Rado : I would recommend the Bitfinex version
[2016-07-06 05:33:28] Rado : Every time btc goes over 680 on bfx there is a trigger for sell orders
[2016-07-06 05:33:41] Rado : Over the last few days anyway
[2016-07-06 05:38:22] Rado : Why is mark price so low?
[2016-07-06 05:40:36] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETHXBT`: Buy 1 @ 0.01606 :punch: :whale:
[2016-07-06 05:43:08] jung1 : Rado: sow what is your p/l % so far?
[2016-07-06 05:43:47] Rado : 88% on polo
[2016-07-06 05:43:58] Rado : 200% on bitfinex
[2016-07-06 05:44:01] jung1 : in what time?
[2016-07-06 05:44:18] ayy_lmao : whats leverage on finex
[2016-07-06 05:44:19] Rado : Polo is 2 months
[2016-07-06 05:44:27] Rado : Bitfinex 1 month
[2016-07-06 05:44:56] Rado : Finex is 3.3, but I trade only 80% of that
[2016-07-06 05:45:07] Rado : The bot allows you to set this
[2016-07-06 05:45:36] Rado : To minimize potential liquidation
[2016-07-06 05:46:19] jung1 : sounds fair
[2016-07-06 05:46:31] jung1 : amy trollbox discount?
[2016-07-06 05:46:35] jung1 : any
[2016-07-06 05:46:47] Rado : Sure
[2016-07-06 05:47:09] jung1 : but how it trade during pumps?
[2016-07-06 05:47:28] jung1 : bots are cool if market is boring
[2016-07-06 05:47:38] Rado : Same way
[2016-07-06 05:47:57] Rado : Actually mine is best when there is atrend
[2016-07-06 05:48:29] Rado : In the beging I had trouble with sideways and was losing, but made an adjustment
[2016-07-06 05:49:00] jung1 : lets talk on irc
[2016-07-06 05:49:20] Rado : I am on mobile now
[2016-07-06 05:49:29] Rado : 11 pm here
[2016-07-06 05:49:38] jung1 : oh ok
[2016-07-06 05:49:40] Rado : Catch me in the morning
[2016-07-06 05:49:52] jung1 : 7am here
[2016-07-06 05:50:14] jung1 : I will send you pm on cryptotrader
[2016-07-06 05:50:15] Rado : In about 8 hr
[2016-07-06 05:50:20] Rado : Ok
[2016-07-06 05:50:25] jung1 : k
[2016-07-06 05:51:05] jung1 : holy shit there is Warren Buffet on Bitmex irc
[2016-07-06 05:51:38] Rado : Lo.
[2016-07-06 05:51:44] Rado : Lol
[2016-07-06 05:52:05] Rado : Imposter
[2016-07-06 05:52:37] Rado : Premium increasing on swap
[2016-07-06 05:52:51] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETHXBT`: Buy 175 @ 0.01628
[2016-07-06 05:53:06] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETHXBT`: Buy 56 @ 0.01631
[2016-07-06 06:38:32] jung1 : another 4 years in bitcoin to next halving will be madness
[2016-07-06 06:38:35] jung1 : cant wait
[2016-07-06 06:49:15] jung1 : no rekt?
[2016-07-06 07:06:51] rapidtrades : jung1: what's that suppose to mean
[2016-07-06 07:07:27] macios15 : jung1: elegancki trójkąt sie zrobił z zasięgiem +-500 lekko
[2016-07-06 07:07:31] macios15 : cny
[2016-07-06 07:07:58] jung1 : rapidtrades: that price drop over 15$ and no rekt here
[2016-07-06 07:08:26] rapidtrades : how did price drop 15
[2016-07-06 07:08:50] jung1 : ok $10
[2016-07-06 07:09:36] jung1 : macios15: myślisz? ogólnie coś ciężko te pompy idą. Nie był bym zaskoczony jakby pompa na halving już sie odbyła i bedzie zrzut do 300 i dalej budowanie
[2016-07-06 07:09:50] rapidtrades : ok i see finex dropped $12
[2016-07-06 07:12:18] macios15 : jung1: mi sie wydaje ze bedziemy wychodzic powoli w góre przez kolejny tydzien o ile znowu finex nie da dupy jak ostatnio bo wtedy zlecimy na 3k cny spokojnie
[2016-07-06 07:12:36] macios15 : albo jakis inny news
[2016-07-06 07:13:07] jung1 : ja bym sie nie zdziwił jakby po halvingu był duży dump
[2016-07-06 07:14:27] macios15 : jung1: no, dokladnie tak jak na halvingu ltc
[2016-07-06 07:14:48] jung1 : tylko pytanie czy bedzie jeszcze pompa przed
[2016-07-06 07:15:08] rapidtrades : plz stop, kurwa
[2016-07-06 07:15:32] jung1 : ale teraz juz nie bedzie tak smiesznie bo za duzo ludzi juz wie jak działają shorty i longi więc po dropie szybko odbije cena
[2016-07-06 07:15:47] jung1 : rapidtrades: you have great opportunity to learn polish
[2016-07-06 07:16:04] jung1 : "kurwa: is quite good start
[2016-07-06 07:16:34] Adura_ : I almost forgot Poland.
[2016-07-06 07:21:46] rapidtrades : Abe can hit 2.0% inflation with ¥20tn stimulus says adviser Fujii
[2016-07-06 07:27:38] fineregex : why do you guys short litecoin here on bitmex since days?
[2016-07-06 07:28:12] fineregex : (negative funding rates)
[2016-07-06 07:28:54] rapidtrades : don't worry about it
[2016-07-06 07:30:25] crashtestdummy : hey...i'm new here... is there a guide to the interface somewhere? how do i go about opening shorts ?..
[2016-07-06 07:31:31] rapidtrades : crashtestdummy: https://testnet.bitmex.com/
[2016-07-06 07:32:32] Mr Blue : crashtestdummy: https://www.bitmex.com/app/trade/XBTUSD and use market or limit and the red button sell short, or you could short the September contract instead
[2016-07-06 07:32:34] jung1 : crashtestdummy: just sell
[2016-07-06 07:33:41] Mr Blue : crashtestdummy: I'd start off with $5 so you can test what leverage is best for you, keep your eye on liquidation price if using high leverage
[2016-07-06 07:34:17] jung1 : or https://testnet.bitmex.com/
[2016-07-06 07:34:27] crashtestdummy : don'tworry i'll start small till i get my headaround it... ty...
[2016-07-06 07:34:28] Mr Blue : crashtestdummy: that's good info from @rapidtrades I didn't realise you could do that
[2016-07-06 07:34:38] Mr Blue : crashtestdummy: np
[2016-07-06 07:38:45] jung1 : oh awesome
[2016-07-06 07:38:48] jung1 : http://www.breakoutcoin.com/coinsale/ is alive
[2016-07-06 07:38:58] jung1 : I invested in back in '14
[2016-07-06 07:39:05] jung1 : and though it was scam
[2016-07-06 08:09:52] rapidtrades : jung1: so how did u do
[2016-07-06 08:11:06] jung1 : ?
[2016-07-06 08:11:17] jung1 : i invested in '14 in first ico
[2016-07-06 08:11:20] jung1 : and now they back
[2016-07-06 08:11:26] jung1 : seems like good project
[2016-07-06 08:13:34] rapidtrades : did u make any $$$$$$$$
[2016-07-06 08:14:54] jung1 : when?
[2016-07-06 08:18:49] jung1 : on breakout? not yet. Its just current ico +20%
[2016-07-06 08:19:04] jung1 : but their gaming software looks good
[2016-07-06 08:27:43] jung1 : this ico could be quite big
[2016-07-06 08:30:18] rapidtrades : jung1: u long bitcoin or what
[2016-07-06 08:30:54] jung1 : have some small long
[2016-07-06 08:31:00] jung1 : but already closed most of positions
[2016-07-06 08:31:14] jung1 : imo there is a chance for dump
[2016-07-06 08:31:19] jung1 : before halving
[2016-07-06 08:31:40] rapidtrades : yeah same here
[2016-07-06 08:32:48] rapidtrades : the weak yuan only thing holding btc prices
[2016-07-06 08:34:32] rapidtrades : another round of heavy selling in the markets
[2016-07-06 08:35:47] jung1 : I think of go long on lisk
[2016-07-06 08:35:53] jung1 : during btc dump
[2016-07-06 08:36:21] rapidtrades : no clue how that moves
[2016-07-06 08:37:30] rapidtrades : gold testing highs
[2016-07-06 08:37:50] jung1 : there was only one pump after release
[2016-07-06 08:38:34] jung1 : ico price was arounr 18k now its 40k
[2016-07-06 08:38:46] jung1 : pump was up to 120k
[2016-07-06 08:39:17] jung1 : but its nice project
[2016-07-06 08:40:04] jung1 : and they have
[2016-07-06 08:40:08] jung1 : Charles Hoskinson and Steven Nerayoff in team
[2016-07-06 08:40:21] jung1 : Charles and Steven were two of the most prominent individuals responsible for the phenomenal success of Ethereum.
[2016-07-06 08:41:50] rapidtrades : never heard of them
[2016-07-06 08:42:02] jung1 : https://blog.lisk.io/lisk-adds-charles-hoskinson-steven-nerayoff-as-senior-advisors-to-facilitate-product-development-5a2260613699#.qi4a14mhu
[2016-07-06 08:42:12] jung1 : they knkow what to do
[2016-07-06 08:43:12] jung1 : Breakout Gaming will use IP blocking, gaming collusion detection, KYC verification, and other measures to ensure full compliance with all U.S. gaming regulations.
[2016-07-06 08:43:25] jung1 : there is a lot of money in gaming industry
[2016-07-06 08:56:09] boolander : 2s10s 79bps - c ya growth expectations
[2016-07-06 08:58:18] jung1 : 2s10s 79bps - what does it mean?
[2016-07-06 09:00:25] boolander : spread between the US 2yr and 10yr
[2016-07-06 09:01:26] jung1 : oh ok
[2016-07-06 09:21:56] rapidtrades : this unstoppable selling has a 2008 feel to it
[2016-07-06 09:22:19] boolander : yeup
[2016-07-06 09:27:47] jung1 : Im going short on eth
[2016-07-06 09:28:24] rapidtrades : gl
[2016-07-06 09:28:35] jung1 : https://www.tradingview.com/chart/ETHBTC/Ae87fCu3-ETH/
[2016-07-06 09:28:38] jung1 : agree
[2016-07-06 09:29:13] boolander : ^what rapid said
[2016-07-06 09:30:15] jung1 : after 30 Sep there will be only Perpetual Swap x50 here?
[2016-07-06 09:32:35] jung1 : macios15: jestes?
[2016-07-06 09:32:43] macios15 : jung1: ta
[2016-07-06 09:33:02] jung1 : cho na irca
[2016-07-06 09:33:04] macios15 : jung1: elegancko szortuje :D
[2016-07-06 09:33:49] BitMEX_Arthur : jung1: We may offer longer expiries on the XBJ chain
[2016-07-06 09:34:26] jung1 : but what is the point if you can choose lavarage on perpetual?
[2016-07-06 09:35:00] BitMEX_Arthur : different underlyings
[2016-07-06 09:35:05] BitMEX_Arthur : one is XBTUSD one is XBTJPY
[2016-07-06 09:35:24] jung1 : oh right
[2016-07-06 09:35:32] jung1 : be prepared to add https://z.cash/ futures
[2016-07-06 09:39:40] Tetsuo : BTC is on the verge of collapse! Half BTC price + half BTC supply = gameover for miners. network about to implode! Be warned
[2016-07-06 09:39:47] Tetsuo : double loss
[2016-07-06 09:40:05] ayy_lmao : miners were mining at 300-400 months ago
[2016-07-06 09:41:01] jung1 : network willl not collapse
[2016-07-06 09:41:05] Tetsuo : it will carsh to 3-400 again, and miners will only have half of the BTC to sell to cover their costs!
[2016-07-06 09:41:08] ayy_lmao : if they could deal with it then, they can deal with it after halving
[2016-07-06 09:41:49] jung1 : diff will be lower so costs of minnig also
[2016-07-06 09:42:06] jung1 : satoshi was a smart guy
[2016-07-06 09:49:48] Tetsuo : chinese will crash BTC into the deepest tracts of hell and switch to ETH, already in progress http://www.coindesk.com/bitcoin-miners-ethereum/
[2016-07-06 09:50:36] fineregex : jung1: yes FUD, difficulty updates every 2 weeks or so @Tetsuo https://bitcoinwisdom.com/bitcoin/difficulty
[2016-07-06 09:51:51] Tetsuo : plz stop trying to shill young cryptoneers into the BTC ponzi
[2016-07-06 09:52:24] Mr Blue : Tetsuo: get out of here man, ETH is the biggest scam around
[2016-07-06 09:52:48] ayy_lmao : lol
[2016-07-06 09:54:05] Tetsuo : Centralization is the future! Anarchists, criminals, drug addicts, terrorists and perverts will learn it the hard way! Through their wallet
[2016-07-06 09:54:18] Mr Blue : Tetsuo: + how can the Chinese mine it when it's going PoS only soon and the only blocks found will be by the 80 million hidden pre-mine
[2016-07-06 09:54:30] ayy_lmao : ok good, i thought you were srs for a moment
[2016-07-06 09:54:48] Tetsuo : i am!
[2016-07-06 09:55:14] Tetsuo : time to wash the scum off the streets!
[2016-07-06 09:55:15] fineregex : are all of you professional trolls actually? :-O
[2016-07-06 09:57:13] jung1 : bitcoin is dead
[2016-07-06 09:57:20] Tetsuo : jung1: +1000
[2016-07-06 09:57:21] jung1 : its not dangerous
[2016-07-06 09:57:30] Tetsuo : jung1: plz stop trolling
[2016-07-06 09:57:47] jung1 : Im serious my whole life
[2016-07-06 09:58:13] Tetsuo : it is very dangerous! thousands of adolescents will lose everything they have. BTC is a plague
[2016-07-06 09:58:28] ayy_lmao : 2 spooky 4 me
[2016-07-06 09:59:08] Mr Blue : Tetsuo: lol I look forward to the day you lose everything with your scam bullshit,,, crypto gods Bitcoin to $2000 please
[2016-07-06 10:00:14] Tetsuo : Mr Blue: y are you mad at me? plz stop hating
[2016-07-06 10:01:34] Tetsuo : Don´t kill the messenger!
[2016-07-06 10:01:41] Mr Blue : Tetsuo: mad because if you attack Bitcoin you attack me sir, and clearly I'm not restarted and can see ETH is the biggest scam in over a 100 years
[2016-07-06 10:01:49] boolander : i'll have my jameson neat please
[2016-07-06 10:02:13] Mr Blue : Retarded **
[2016-07-06 10:02:19] Tetsuo : *handing it over to boolander
[2016-07-06 10:03:40] Tetsuo : Mr Blue: cut your losses before it´s too late. BTC won´t stop dissapointing you from now on! the scam party is over , from here on only lower lows!
[2016-07-06 10:05:05] Mr Blue : Tetsuo: sure buddy but my crystal balls says $2000 per Bitcoin by Christmas, we might drop but it won't last long.
[2016-07-06 10:05:08] Tetsuo : the bubble is about to burst, chinese will suck gladly every last penny out of you which you earned in your whole working life as burger flipper
[2016-07-06 10:06:09] Mr Blue : Lmao, I don't think so, go buy some more ETH it's good for you ?
[2016-07-06 10:06:29] Tetsuo : i have to leave, i can´t watch the upcoming crash, it makes me sad to see so many people suffering, goodbye friends
[2016-07-06 10:07:14] Tetsuo : PS: It´s lookin really bad for crypto 1.0!
[2016-07-06 10:10:24] fineregex : Tetsuo: why:)
[2016-07-06 10:26:17] investor : fineregex: its going down!!
[2016-07-06 10:26:46] fineregex : investor: who
[2016-07-06 10:26:57] investor : when every1 who put their $$$$$ into it are losing money nwill start to bad mouth and it will drop like a shite!!
[2016-07-06 10:27:21] investor : Bitcoins mate
[2016-07-06 10:27:42] fineregex : not right now
[2016-07-06 10:29:31] boolander : sell yer bitcoin and buy gold?
[2016-07-06 10:30:06] investor : sell your bitcoins and walk away....
[2016-07-06 10:30:09] fineregex : you know any nickel cfds?
[2016-07-06 10:30:48] boolander : walk away with fiat?
[2016-07-06 10:31:34] boolander : shouldn't you short bitcoin then?
[2016-07-06 10:31:52] fineregex : you can short okcoin 90 day future without leverage
[2016-07-06 10:32:02] fineregex : to lockin usd value +5%
[2016-07-06 10:32:13] fineregex : * ok -coin
[2016-07-06 10:32:47] boolander : shorting 1,000,000 bitcoin here might be tough given liquidity, yeah
[2016-07-06 10:37:53] RoftheN : Who would short THAT much bitcoin. Thats 1/21 of total supply.
[2016-07-06 10:39:09] boolander : sorry, XBT
[2016-07-06 10:39:51] jung1 : boolander: lets try
[2016-07-06 10:42:29] boolander : ;-)
[2016-07-06 10:54:55] jung1 : https://i.redd.it/i0uyr6ufoj7x.gif
[2016-07-06 11:53:41] laisee : RoftheN, jung1: 700000000 contracts IIRC
[2016-07-06 12:09:36] fineregex : shit i didnt expect my $1 bitcoin long to have a Liq. Price
[2016-07-06 12:12:49] BitMEX_Wally : If you go long 1x with XBTUSD and the price drops 50% then that is a 100% loss in XBT terms which is a 50% loss in USD terms
[2016-07-06 12:13:02] BitMEX_Wally : So a 1x long at 700 will have a liquidation price of 350
[2016-07-06 12:17:41] subjective : @BitMEX_Wally Do u need a licence to open a crypto finance product in HK?
[2016-07-06 12:18:44] subjective : BitMEX_Wally: How can 1x long have liquidation price? isn't that the same as buying 1 BTC on BFX?
[2016-07-06 12:19:08] fineregex : BitMEX_Wally: not serious since i am long x0.00....
[2016-07-06 12:19:32] BitMEX_Wally : subjective: Because XBTUSD is an inverse future. By going long XBTUSD you are actually going short USD with XBT as the margin currency
[2016-07-06 12:21:52] BitMEX_Wally : Of course, if we had USD as the margin currency then a 1x long of XBTUSD would have a liquidation price of 0
[2016-07-06 12:29:41] subjective : ah, are you guys going to open up more currency as collaterials? USD/ETH
[2016-07-06 12:30:45] subjective : BitMEX_Wally: What if I short BTC then? what is the liquidation price on 1x. It seems like never, where as 2x short has the same risk as 1x long.
[2016-07-06 12:30:57] subjective : 2x short gets liquidated when BTC price doubles
[2016-07-06 12:31:24] BitMEX_Wally : If you are 1x short XBTUSD then your liquidation price is Infinity
[2016-07-06 12:32:01] BitMEX_Wally : If you are 2x then your liquidation price is double your entry price
[2016-07-06 12:32:54] BitMEX_Wally : We are working on adding synthetic USD as a margin currency, and then we can support ETH/USD etc
[2016-07-06 12:36:07] BitMEX_Wally : https://www.bitmex.com/app/quantoVsInverse#inverse-contract-exposure-curves
[2016-07-06 12:36:48] subjective : BitMEX_Wally: did u guys need to get a finance licence in HK to operate?
[2016-07-06 12:37:18] subjective : BitMEX_Wally: many crypto startup seem to be based in HK (BFX, Bitmex, Gatecoin) for some reason
[2016-07-06 12:38:40] BitMEX_Wally : subjective: We operate from the Seychelles
[2016-07-06 12:39:05] BitMEX_Wally : Hong Kong Monetary Authority has declared Bitcoin to not be money (so they don't have to regulate it)
[2016-07-06 12:39:14] BitMEX_Wally : It is considered a virtual commodity
[2016-07-06 12:40:21] subjective : BitMEX_Wally: so if I register a HK entity to create a consumer friendly product let's say on top of Bitmex/BFX.. I can receive BTC without money/financial licence right
[2016-07-06 12:40:22] BitMEX_Wally : Gatecoin has a Money Service Operator license
[2016-07-06 12:41:06] subjective : BitMEX_Wally: u don't need a licence if u only handle BTC payment/payout right?
[2016-07-06 12:41:16] BitMEX_Wally : subjective: Yes, as far as I am aware
[2016-07-06 12:41:40] BitMEX_Wally : If you exchange value (i.e. USD vs XBT) or if you remit fiat you need a license
[2016-07-06 12:43:05] subjective : Thx heaps