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[2016-06-30 15:00:58] cekseh : more transaction at less fee is great
[2016-06-30 15:01:11] mbaril : cekseh: you are thinking only for yourself
[2016-06-30 15:01:12] cekseh : If you want more fees we should just reduce blocksize to 100kb
[2016-06-30 15:01:19] mbaril : miners are the one that secure the network
[2016-06-30 15:01:24] RoftheN : We should just up the transaction fees after 2 halvings, when it actually matters
[2016-06-30 15:01:26] d_ : The way I currently understand it, the problem is that the big miners in China are at a disadvantage because they receive new blocks slowly.
[2016-06-30 15:01:40] mbaril : d_: false
[2016-06-30 15:01:52] mbaril : since they got more than 75% of the mining power they get block faster
[2016-06-30 15:01:55] Rune : after we upgrade the block size then fill up a 2 mb block evantually they will be getting way more in fees
[2016-06-30 15:02:00] mbaril : rest of the world get block slowly
[2016-06-30 15:02:09] d_ : oo. well let me read up on what you guys are saying and catch up on the issue
[2016-06-30 15:02:31] mbaril : Rune: so when 2mb is full we will go to 4mb and so on ?
[2016-06-30 15:02:53] mbaril : we need to find a solution, a real one. instead of just fighting between more space or more fees
[2016-06-30 15:03:17] cekseh : Good enough for now*
[2016-06-30 15:03:24] Rune : yes as the internet scales we will scale bitcoin
[2016-06-30 15:03:28] cekseh : situations change, reevaluation will be needed bro
[2016-06-30 15:03:36] cekseh : You can't make a choice now that will hold forever
[2016-06-30 15:03:54] mbaril : cekseh: yes I do agree with that but goign to 2 mb is only a temporary solution
[2016-06-30 15:04:03] rapidtrades : in case anyone missed it, usd/cnh spiked to 6.70 today before the PBOC sold a crapton into it
[2016-06-30 15:04:09] mbaril : And I prefer to work to find a better solution. segwit is a good start
[2016-06-30 15:04:41] mbaril : we need to review the code and make it clean
[2016-06-30 15:04:48] mbaril : anyway :P nice discussion guys
[2016-06-30 15:05:02] cekseh : 2mb buys bitcoin a (relatively) significant portion of time to find and refine those solutions
[2016-06-30 15:05:15] Rune : 2 mb wont be full for years
[2016-06-30 15:05:22] cekseh : With practically zero negative effect
[2016-06-30 15:05:30] cekseh : Despite the naysayers
[2016-06-30 15:05:34] Rune : and in 4-5 years the internet will be more robust
[2016-06-30 15:06:25] Rune : https://techcrunch.com/2016/06/29/google-backed-undersea-cable-between-us-and-japan-goes-online-tonight/
[2016-06-30 15:06:27] cekseh : And if you think bitcoin will last it's valuation will go up, so long as people think it is useful
[2016-06-30 15:06:36] cekseh : Rune I just read that.... =D
[2016-06-30 15:06:52] cekseh : Big addition to our "series of tubes"
[2016-06-30 15:07:11] Rune : as technology allows we can slowly upgrade the blocksize
[2016-06-30 15:07:24] Rune : 2 mb is possible now so lets do it now
[2016-06-30 15:09:01] BitMEX_Sam : This is a great thing imo
[2016-06-30 15:09:05] cekseh : And nobody is advocating increasing blocksize indefinitely, it is a goodenoughfornow solution though, that only has such negative response for the same reason that people get offended when you question their religion
[2016-06-30 15:09:21] mbaril : we will see what will happen with terminator plan :P
[2016-06-30 15:09:23] cekseh : Close minded predispositions, and the inability to accept there may be another way
[2016-06-30 15:09:38] cekseh : Terminator plan is a farce
[2016-06-30 15:09:55] cekseh : (imo)
[2016-06-30 15:10:08] mbaril : cekseh: ;)
[2016-06-30 15:11:38] laisee : Terminator will be back
[2016-06-30 15:15:45] STRML : IRC bouncer is back up
[2016-06-30 15:15:53] Hawtdawg : The Reddit thread that made the terminator announcement has been deleted as FUD
[2016-06-30 15:16:18] Adura_ : On the censored subreddit.
[2016-06-30 15:16:48] Hawtdawg : https://redd.it/4qleza
[2016-06-30 15:18:06] Rado : nice $30 advance for BTC
[2016-06-30 15:19:14] Hawtdawg : Interesting how BTC is somewhat immune to news these days. Everyone is so used to "the sky s falling"
[2016-06-30 15:19:57] Rado : BTC is a real free market
[2016-06-30 15:20:11] Rado : so it responds based on demand and supply
[2016-06-30 15:20:15] Rado : not like stock market
[2016-06-30 15:21:20] cekseh : Lol
[2016-06-30 15:21:42] cekseh : You will find a lot of people that disagree that bitcoin is immune to news
[2016-06-30 15:22:02] Rune : bitcoin lives on news
[2016-06-30 15:22:20] cekseh : Bitcoiners in particular have a tendancy to do great mental gymnastics to find patterns and cause/effect for bitcoin movement
[2016-06-30 15:22:21] Rune : I guess less so recently
[2016-06-30 15:22:26] cekseh : Other than people just trying to make money
[2016-06-30 15:22:56] cekseh : A guy in china farted, thats why price dumped 10$
[2016-06-30 15:23:43] cekseh : My dog started barking before price went up this morning, and my dog just started barking again
[2016-06-30 15:23:50] cekseh : Thus price is about to jump. Go long.
[2016-06-30 15:28:59] Mr Blue : I'm about to have a big Mac, last time I had one price dropped $9 lmao... ye I'm stuck short ?
[2016-06-30 15:29:41] Hawtdawg : Big Mac sounds delish
[2016-06-30 15:29:50] cekseh : +1, fomoing short
[2016-06-30 15:30:30] Mr Blue : Hawtdawg: well I have that to look forward to at least lol, brb guys
[2016-06-30 15:31:20] Rado : Mr Blue: how come you are shorting?
[2016-06-30 15:31:28] Rado : I thought you were a BTC bull
[2016-06-30 15:31:40] cekseh : Big Mac indicator, keep up.
[2016-06-30 15:33:29] Mr Blue : Rado: because I get greedy and try catch both directions lol, next time I'm long as thinking $800 before block halving maybe more
[2016-06-30 15:34:20] Rado : you can still catch both sides, but don't short when BTC is down :-)
[2016-06-30 15:34:41] Mr Blue : I don't ?
[2016-06-30 15:37:29] Rado : cool
[2016-06-30 15:37:35] Rado : where is mr rapidtrades?
[2016-06-30 15:41:30] Mr Blue : Rado: not sure but he's prob long
[2016-06-30 15:50:23] Rado : he he
[2016-06-30 15:50:28] Rado : he is always long
[2016-06-30 15:50:38] Rado : I have some Sept contracts
[2016-06-30 16:09:02] rapidtrades : whos long
[2016-06-30 16:09:51] mbaril : I need a small retract before going long
[2016-06-30 16:15:13] rapidtrades : carney sank the pound lower....what a
[2016-06-30 16:15:18] rapidtrades : twat
[2016-06-30 16:15:45] rapidtrades : GUYS OUR CURRENCY IS DOWN 10% WHAT DO WE DO...OH I KNOW MORE EASING
[2016-06-30 16:15:52] rapidtrades : what a f moron man
[2016-06-30 16:16:26] rapidtrades : that's all these ppl can do now...one trick pnies
[2016-06-30 16:16:30] rapidtrades : ponies*
[2016-06-30 16:18:46] RoftheN : Lol
[2016-06-30 16:18:57] Mr Blue : Lmao you know just how to brighten up a shorters day, if I was long I'd agreed, but for now I'm going to slap my face in the mirror
[2016-06-30 16:19:07] rapidtrades : PBOC: Herro our economeh is troubles, do we fixeh it? NO DEVALUE
[2016-06-30 16:20:49] RoftheN : I should buy GBP, who knows I might go to the UK again for a cheap holiday
[2016-06-30 16:23:01] rapidtrades : also bloomberg reports that the ECB may have to loosen QE buying rules
[2016-06-30 16:23:30] rapidtrades : apparently buying junk corporate bonds isn't loose enough
[2016-06-30 16:34:22] tscha : what about this Chinese mining agreement? are they really going to switch?
[2016-06-30 16:41:27] elmorte : That would be pretty epic
[2016-06-30 16:47:43] Rado : rapidtrades: did you trade this dump on the pound?
[2016-06-30 16:49:53] blurrrrrp : tscha: Where did you read about that?
[2016-06-30 16:50:00] tscha : blurrrrrp: /r/btc
[2016-06-30 16:50:04] ayy_lmao : time to margin call some plebs
[2016-06-30 16:51:29] ayy_lmao : huehuehue
[2016-06-30 17:02:57] Rado : premium is back
[2016-06-30 17:03:03] Rado : +$5
[2016-06-30 17:03:27] luckynuke : whaaat picked 800 almost :o
[2016-06-30 17:16:15] wotan : brexit was long planed i have proof
[2016-06-30 17:16:30] wotan : it was planed on the exact date
[2016-06-30 17:18:27] macios15 : sell time
[2016-06-30 17:20:02] fineregex : wotan: because of GBP 1,5001 + https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_withdrawal_from_the_European_Union#/media/File:UK_EU_referendum_polling.svg ?
[2016-06-30 17:20:30] fineregex : guys why dow 18000, 17000, 18000, what's the joke?
[2016-06-30 17:20:40] fineregex : *DOW
[2016-06-30 17:20:41] wotan : fingerex its big planed event
[2016-06-30 17:21:06] wotan : on 29 september 2008 dow had biggest fall in points with 777
[2016-06-30 17:21:40] wotan : 7 years 7 months 7 weeks 7 days later brexit results kick in and stock crash (24, juni 2016)
[2016-06-30 17:21:53] wotan : do the math its exact date
[2016-06-30 17:22:08] wotan : cameron first said 2017 exit then he changed iot to this date
[2016-06-30 17:22:25] wotan : that sinside info i give you here:)
[2016-06-30 17:22:36] fineregex : wasnt like "before/until 2017"?
[2016-06-30 17:23:13] fineregex : i read the 'inside info it already^^
[2016-06-30 17:23:21] wotan : what matters is that they choose exact this date
[2016-06-30 17:23:46] fineregex : must be good, when cocacola and macdonalds (=DOW) are worth fewer $ ? ^^
[2016-06-30 17:23:48] wotan : hehe ncie then your informed good too
[2016-06-30 17:24:31] wotan : silve rnew daily high wow
[2016-06-30 17:24:42] wotan : 18,54 dollar
[2016-06-30 17:25:36] wotan : right now im watching deutshce bank and other banks closely db for example is tradet at all time low
[2016-06-30 17:26:50] BitMEX_Greg : wotan: Did you see that Deutsche failed the Fed stress test?
[2016-06-30 17:30:07] wotan : yes Bitmex_Greg
[2016-06-30 17:31:18] wotan : andf they hold alot of derivates those derivates worldwide are a ticking bomb imo
[2016-06-30 17:33:01] BitMEX_Greg : Yep, they are in for quite a bit of pain if sh*t starts to break out
[2016-06-30 17:37:02] tscha : deutsche failing the stress test is business as usual
[2016-06-30 17:37:28] wotan : very interesting will be how bitcoin will be when things start to shake more
[2016-06-30 17:37:41] tscha : it's part of their corporate identity
[2016-06-30 17:38:30] wotan : tscha so you say all is good or you say its normal that all is bad?
[2016-06-30 17:38:51] tscha : it's normal that all is bad
[2016-06-30 17:40:08] wotan : :) i know what you mean yes
[2016-06-30 17:41:51] wotan : since bexit i have the feeling they want to do more chaos, something is in the air, and most ppl are far away to be prepared for it
[2016-06-30 18:09:04] Tedy. : Interessting to see if we are still going to follow the green line now
[2016-06-30 18:09:13] Tedy. : Would expect a pump very soon then
[2016-06-30 18:14:04] macios15 : 0 volume at okcoin
[2016-06-30 18:22:21] fineregex : yay, going to get +0.5678% ETH
[2016-06-30 18:23:08] fineregex : more than my bitcoin long costs, even it is bigger
[2016-06-30 18:26:04] Mr Blue : Sure buddy
[2016-06-30 18:36:36] fineregex : yayayay
[2016-06-30 19:01:22] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 6500 @ 667.40
[2016-06-30 19:06:58] justinlooking : go polski!
[2016-06-30 19:12:04] tscha : justinlooking: I'm for poland too
[2016-06-30 19:19:08] justinlooking : tscha: my shitcoin profits are covering my sportbetting losses! proper degenerate gambling here...
[2016-06-30 19:19:26] tscha : justinlooking: hahaha :)
[2016-06-30 19:34:27] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 32001 @ 666.13 **MEGA-REKT** :boom:
[2016-06-30 19:36:43] Mr Blue : Boooom
[2016-06-30 19:37:40] fineregex : how is that possible?
[2016-06-30 19:38:14] fineregex : they bought at 670? initial margin 100?
[2016-06-30 19:38:36] fineregex : *leverage
[2016-06-30 19:40:15] Mr Blue : fineregex: must of been x50 leverage at 676 entry
[2016-06-30 19:40:28] fineregex : why?
[2016-06-30 19:40:44] fineregex : you guys dont use cross leverage?
[2016-06-30 19:42:08] Mr Blue : fineregex: because on x50 you only get like $10 before liquidation, it dropped buy than that and they didn't buy more to lower entry so must of got liquidated
[2016-06-30 19:42:13] ayy_lmao : some people just like getting rekt
[2016-06-30 19:42:39] Mr Blue : fineregex: some people use cross, I personally like x10
[2016-06-30 19:43:23] Mr Blue : Or x15 ? been using x50 on Yen market sometimes
[2016-06-30 19:45:15] Mr Blue : Dropped more than*
[2016-06-30 19:49:14] fineregex : is it possible to make 3 orders in one second?
[2016-06-30 19:49:24] fineregex : i just manage 2
[2016-06-30 19:49:51] ayy_lmao : funding fees will be the death of me
[2016-06-30 19:50:11] fineregex : buy ethereum
[2016-06-30 19:50:27] fineregex : so you get 0.567%
[2016-06-30 19:50:33] ayy_lmao : noooooo
[2016-06-30 19:50:54] ayy_lmao : lol @ that eth fee
[2016-06-30 19:51:09] ayy_lmao : you got a decent entry?
[2016-06-30 19:51:37] fineregex : yes
[2016-06-30 19:51:41] fineregex : i sold my ethereum meant to held for it
[2016-06-30 19:52:20] fineregex : so i dont care entry price was 0.0195
[2016-06-30 19:53:12] fineregex : because sale price at poloniex was 0.0196 or so
[2016-06-30 19:53:37] Mr Blue : It's lower than that, so you sold at a loss? Or when it peaked at 0.02 this morning
[2016-06-30 19:55:37] fineregex : i sold and bought at once
[2016-06-30 19:55:45] fineregex : mainly
[2016-06-30 19:55:48] fineregex : just for the interest rate
[2016-06-30 19:57:31] fineregex : yet such should be done & undone automatically since interest rate can change soon :D
[2016-06-30 19:58:08] Mr Blue : fineregex: erm okay buddy, as long as your having fun that's the main thing, but I wouldn't go past x2 if I was trying a trade with Eth, been spanked before with that one
[2016-06-30 19:59:14] Mr Blue : fineregex: you long or short Bitcoin?
[2016-06-30 20:00:52] ayy_lmao : 0.3 btc in funding lol
[2016-06-30 20:01:47] Mr Blue : ayy_lmao: harsh what you got like a million contacts?
[2016-06-30 20:03:54] fineregex : the rate is 0.3% :(
[2016-06-30 20:05:26] ayy_lmao : prob gonna switch to okc soon, hard to do large size here without getting chipped by funding
[2016-06-30 20:06:38] RoftheN : Why is the funding so high today
[2016-06-30 20:06:53] ayy_lmao : demand for longs is high
[2016-06-30 20:06:58] d_ : It's ridiculously high -_-
[2016-06-30 20:07:34] ayy_lmao : one time is was 1% lol
[2016-06-30 20:07:38] ayy_lmao : it*
[2016-06-30 20:09:08] ayy_lmao : i wouldn't mind paying 0.3 btc every 24 hours, but 0.9 btc per day + fees is harsh
[2016-06-30 20:09:50] d_ : OKC has better rates?
[2016-06-30 20:10:02] ayy_lmao : there is no funding there
[2016-06-30 20:10:13] d_ : Oh.
[2016-06-30 20:10:17] ayy_lmao : you just have to deal with settlements every week or 3 months
[2016-06-30 20:13:43] d_ : Hmm. I really like this exchange. But there are def. a couple of things I could do without. The 8 hr interest is one, and it is brutal. I'll likely start researching other exchanges soon, but I have a feeling there will be other aspects that suck. Aside from the 8 hr interest charges, 1/day withdrawals, and daily rebalancing, I'm pretty happy with this exchange. And the mods that frequent this chat are pretty responsive and helpful.
[2016-06-30 20:14:31] ayy_lmao : DPE + funding + fees = rekt
[2016-06-30 20:15:02] d_ : lol. One feature I like about this place is the rekt bot
[2016-06-30 20:15:30] jung1 : yeah its cool
[2016-06-30 20:15:37] ayy_lmao : x50 is the only draw here, but i rarely go over 20x
[2016-06-30 20:15:42] jung1 : always good to watch how people loose nomey
[2016-06-30 20:16:53] Mr Blue : ayy_lmao: yen market has been good to me, and has x100 who wouldn't think yen is going down against btc lol
[2016-06-30 20:18:27] Mr Blue : Only problem is first time I shorted thinking I was shorting yen lol but turns out you must buy in order to short Yen
[2016-06-30 20:19:41] jung1 : Mr Blue: you still shorting yen?
[2016-06-30 20:20:31] Mr Blue : jung1: ye I'm +400 contacts at 68977.1
[2016-06-30 20:22:23] Mr Blue : Also got out of my btc short then profited with a quick long, now just waiting to buy in again
[2016-06-30 20:22:58] sq : Mr Blue: stay long man
[2016-06-30 20:23:33] Mr Blue : sq: will do mate block reward halving month tomorrow
[2016-06-30 20:23:41] sq : yeh
[2016-06-30 20:25:08] jung1 : imo real pump will be after haling
[2016-06-30 20:25:53] Mr Blue : jung1: ye but we might see 850 before the halving ?
[2016-06-30 20:26:08] jung1 : or 550 again
[2016-06-30 20:27:30] Mr Blue : jung1: possibly but I think big fish can wait for $1000 after all the buying they've done in my imagination lol
[2016-06-30 20:27:45] jung1 : http://imgur.com/BLbBZlZ
[2016-06-30 20:27:48] jung1 : thats my bet
[2016-06-30 20:28:41] Mr Blue : jung1: 760 would be fine by me now I'm long lol
[2016-06-30 20:30:02] Mr Blue : Would be good for the Chinese to get out of 4000 Yuan they don't like the number 4 I believe
[2016-06-30 20:30:36] Mr Blue : So ye 5000+ would be nice lol
[2016-06-30 20:36:46] jung1 : or 3000
[2016-06-30 20:37:26] Mr Blue : jung1: that wouldn't be nice for me lol
[2016-06-30 20:57:36] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBJ24H`: Sell 41 @ 68590.0
[2016-06-30 20:57:53] jung1 : Mr Blue: cny here seems corelated with bitcoin price
[2016-06-30 20:57:56] jung1 : as I can see
[2016-06-30 20:58:28] Tetsuo : BTC lower and lower - into the deep tracts of hell! No support only a massive 45 million big margin long credit bubble going on@finex. This will end bad. Even the halving hype and brexit can´t save BTC from the inevitable crash
[2016-06-30 20:59:34] jung1 : Tetsuo: cant complain
[2016-06-30 20:59:38] jung1 : until I can short here
[2016-06-30 20:59:47] justinlooking : that's the last time i'm buying multi-corners, long at 25, settled at 122. fukin ouch
[2016-06-30 20:59:47] Tetsuo : :-)
[2016-06-30 20:59:49] Tetsuo : :-D
[2016-06-30 20:59:54] justinlooking : *12
[2016-06-30 21:00:52] jung1 : this year should be ready also dnbcoin
[2016-06-30 21:01:04] jung1 : and its not drum and bass money
[2016-06-30 21:01:23] jung1 : http://www.coindesk.com/dutch-central-bank-to-create-dnbcoin-prototype/
[2016-06-30 21:01:32] jung1 : this will kill bitcoin
[2016-06-30 21:01:56] jung1 : or at least make gobitcoin to mainstream impossible
[2016-06-30 21:03:30] nip : my factums just keep going up ** :) **
[2016-06-30 21:03:50] nip : wish i could say the same for eth
[2016-06-30 21:04:48] jung1 : eth is still overpump by dao
[2016-06-30 21:08:10] jung1 : how cool it would be if after another financial crisis DOGE would be world currency
[2016-06-30 21:10:34] justinlooking : such wow
[2016-06-30 21:21:12] sq : where is a gd place to keep track of bitcoin news? coindesk?
[2016-06-30 21:24:35] micmix : BitMEX_Sam: what was going on with the API at 12 UTC? I was getting response '400 mark' but the orders were still placed?
[2016-06-30 21:26:02] BitMEX_Sam : "400 mark"?
[2016-06-30 21:26:12] BitMEX_Sam : Was it exactly at 12:00 UTC?
[2016-06-30 21:26:52] micmix : 2016-06-30T11:51:55.602Z BitMEX: API returned '400 mark'
[2016-06-30 21:27:13] micmix : '400 mark' was the whole HTTP reply
[2016-06-30 21:27:35] micmix : 2016-06-30T12:04:49.823Z BitMEX: API returned 400 s
[2016-06-30 21:27:43] micmix : '400 s' another
[2016-06-30 21:27:51] BitMEX_Sam : Hang on.
[2016-06-30 21:28:24] micmix : it was going on from 2016-06-30T11:51:55.602Z to 2016-06-30T12:05:33.994Z
[2016-06-30 21:29:06] BitMEX_Sam : How many of these did you receive?
[2016-06-30 21:29:47] BitMEX_Sam : Ah I see the error. Just a few minutes, investigating
[2016-06-30 21:30:06] micmix : hundreds
[2016-06-30 21:31:58] micmix : that cost me couple of coins on both accounts
[2016-06-30 21:34:41] BitMEX_Sam : micmix: Investigating this, going to get in touch with Wally
[2016-06-30 21:35:09] turtlefight : jung1: i also believe there could be a bigger dump ahead
[2016-06-30 21:35:18] turtlefight : but its not easy to play it
[2016-06-30 21:35:41] turtlefight : the markets can stay longer irrational than you can stay solvent^^
[2016-06-30 21:40:13] BitMEX_Sam : micmix: I'll send you an email when we have an explanation. I'm reading two disruptions, one 11:52:01Z to 11:54:13Z, another 12:04:56Z to 12:05:42Z
[2016-06-30 21:40:21] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBJ24H`: Buy 376 @ 69293.0
[2016-06-30 21:42:07] miramm1115 : BitMEX_Sam: this account had the worth of it
[2016-06-30 22:18:06] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETHXBT`: Buy 200 @ 0.01874
[2016-06-30 22:18:06] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETHXBT`: Buy 1 @ 0.01870 :punch: :whale:
[2016-06-30 23:06:07] justinlooking : 700 next
[2016-06-30 23:06:16] ayy_lmao : good
[2016-06-30 23:06:30] ayy_lmao : i didnt pay that 0.2% fee funding for nothing
[2016-06-30 23:06:37] lockhedge : great charts to see Bitcoin OTC demand in emerging markets https://coin.dance/volume/localbitcoins/VEF
[2016-06-30 23:06:38] justinlooking : lol
[2016-06-30 23:07:26] lockhedge : https://coin.dance/volume/localbitcoins
[2016-06-30 23:09:34] zanza : Is Corexit happening?
[2016-06-30 23:23:20] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : Is there an API call to get the next predicted funding rate?
[2016-06-30 23:24:59] BitMEX_Sam : IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb: If you get the instrument from `/api/v1/instrument`, it's the field `indicativeFundingRate`
[2016-06-30 23:29:19] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : Thanks @BitMEX_Sam
[2016-06-30 23:43:18] dharmabum : BitMEX_Sam: Funding rate is negative for shorts, just wondering why I'm being charged funding rate?
[2016-06-30 23:44:27] dharmabum : BitMEX_Sam: last funding rate was -0.24xxx or something. I was charged I think.
[2016-06-30 23:46:10] BitMEX_Arthur : dharmabum: Which product are you referring to?
[2016-06-30 23:46:34] dharmabum : XBTUSD
[2016-06-30 23:46:39] dharmabum : BitMEX_Arthur: XBTUSD
[2016-06-30 23:56:46] BitMEX_Arthur : https://www.bitmex.com/app/fundingHistory
[2016-06-30 23:57:09] BitMEX_Arthur : The last funding rate was +0.1988% at 04:00 UTC July 1
[2016-06-30 23:57:17] BitMEX_Arthur : meaning that longs paid shorts
[2016-06-30 23:57:33] BitMEX_Sam : You received funding, you were not charged it
[2016-06-30 23:57:46] BitMEX_Sam : A negative fee is a credit.
[2016-06-30 23:58:24] dharmabum : BitMEX_Sam: Thanks both of you for checking.
[2016-06-30 23:59:02] dharmabum : BitMEX_Sam: I'm looking at my transaction history. Is the funding the "Fee" or "Amount" column?
[2016-06-30 23:59:43] d_ : BitMEX_Sam: Negative funding rate is shorts paying longs, right? Referring to ETHXBT, in particular.
[2016-07-01 00:00:06] dharmabum : BitMEX_Sam: Are the last 3 CashRebalances correct? They all cover the current short position.
[2016-07-01 00:00:37] BitMEX_Sam : dharmabum: It's the fee column on the trade history.
[2016-07-01 00:01:12] BitMEX_Sam : d_: Yes, negative funding means shorts pay longs
[2016-07-01 00:01:22] dharmabum : BitMEX_Sam: Hmm. My Fee column shows zeros all the way fown forever.
[2016-07-01 00:01:25] d_ : ty
[2016-07-01 00:01:37] BitMEX_Sam : Trade history dharmabum
[2016-07-01 00:01:39] BitMEX_Sam : Not Wallet History
[2016-07-01 00:01:42] dharmabum : BitMEX_Sam: Wow, above you say "A negative fee is a credit."
[2016-07-01 00:01:47] BitMEX_Sam : https://www.bitmex.com/app/tradeHistory
[2016-07-01 00:01:53] BitMEX_Sam : dharmabum: Those are two separate things I'm referring to
[2016-07-01 00:01:55] dharmabum : BitMEX_Sam: Will check!
[2016-07-01 00:03:06] dharmabum : BitMEX_Sam: So "Fee Paid" is positive for me if the figure is negative :-) ?
[2016-07-01 00:04:30] BitMEX_Sam : It's the amount paid
[2016-07-01 00:04:34] BitMEX_Sam : If you paid a negative amount, you received money
[2016-07-01 00:04:54] subjective : When I hold XBTUSD and eTHXBT
[2016-07-01 00:05:02] dharmabum : BitMEX_Sam: I must be conflating things. In the wallet Transaction History I'm getting nailed on CashRebalance. Could you be so kind as to summarise why I'm confused about this? Thank you!
[2016-07-01 00:05:29] BitMEX_Sam : If you're seeing debits that means that your trades during that period lost money
[2016-07-01 00:06:05] dharmabum : BitMEX_Sam: For a single open position? I have a current hedge in place that is bleeding currency, correct?
[2016-07-01 00:06:15] subjective : if I have two position XBT and ETH with same value of contract, do they cancel each others funding because one is positive and other negative.?
[2016-07-01 00:06:41] BitMEX_Arthur : dharmabum: Give me a minute I'm looking at your account
[2016-07-01 00:07:08] BitMEX_Greg : subjective: It depends on the funding amount on each product. Normally XBTUSD funding will not be the same as the ETHXBT funding
[2016-07-01 00:07:59] dharmabum : BitMEX_Arthur: Thanks Arthur. Basically I have a BTC hedge in place. My current understanding is that the CashRebalances are realised profit/loss on current position.
[2016-07-01 00:08:44] subjective : BitMEX_Greg: let's say 1btc with at 5x for each position. BTC funding at 0.025% ETH at -0.49%
[2016-07-01 00:10:22] BitMEX_Arthur : dharmabum: You are short XBTUSD, you have a negative cash rebalance because the market is rising so you are losing money on that position
[2016-07-01 00:10:51] subjective : BitMEX_Greg: looks like it cancel each other out
[2016-07-01 00:12:07] subjective : BitMEX_Greg: actually receive some funding on the ETH position, if funding rate is mostly negative correlate with 2 coins. Then holding both reduce funding fees
[2016-07-01 00:12:11] BitMEX_Arthur : However, because you are short you are receiving funding because at the last funding time the rate was +0.1988% meaning as a short holder you received a funding payment
[2016-07-01 00:12:25] BitMEX_Arthur : dharmabum: does that make sense?
[2016-07-01 00:12:41] Zen Trader : rektt
[2016-07-01 00:13:29] BitMEX_Greg : subjective: We don't net the funding, we reserve the position level at the current moment
[2016-07-01 00:14:29] dharmabum : BitMEX_Arthur: I think so. I just need to work out if I'm correctly hedged. If I am, the hedge losses should be perfectly balanced against the appreciation of the equivalent amount of XBTUSD (when the hedge was entered). Is my understanding right?
[2016-07-01 00:15:06] dharmabum : BitMEX_Arthur: Actually, given the hedge is short XBTUSD, it should actually make a very small amount as long as funding is negative.
[2016-07-01 00:15:07] BitMEX_Arthur : Yes if you went long 1 Bitcoin at $100, and shorted 100 XBTUSD at $100 you will always have $100 worth of Bitcoin as the price goes up or down
[2016-07-01 00:15:20] BitMEX_Arthur : Yes the funding will be a small profit to you
[2016-07-01 00:15:27] BitMEX_Arthur : Assuming shorts are receiving
[2016-07-01 00:16:36] dharmabum : BitMEX_Arthur: Understand. And if I remove the hedge, take the accumulated charges on the position, then the USD amount of the hedged amount will be identical (well slightly up due to -ve funding)?
[2016-07-01 00:17:02] dharmabum : BitMEX_Arthur: Apologies for the basic questions. I'm just wanting to know exactly what the (er!) position is here! :)
[2016-07-01 00:19:55] BitMEX_Arthur : Yes when you revalue your long Bitcoin in USD, and then take the profit and loss from your XBTUSD short, the sum will equal the original USD value, this is ignoring funding
[2016-07-01 00:20:43] dharmabum : BitMEX_Arthur: Perfect. One more Q...
[2016-07-01 00:20:58] Zen Trader : Does Bitmex use the CCSS the new security standard and if so might I ask how well you fared
[2016-07-01 00:21:34] dharmabum : BitMEX_Arthur: I'm guessing but I assume funding is lumped in with CashRebalance transactions (as appear in Wallet history) - correct?
[2016-07-01 00:21:35] Zen Trader : The Cryptocurrency security Standard
[2016-07-01 00:22:42] Zen Trader : It seems open source Bitmex guys should at least take a look they outline the best practice for protecting wallets ect a whole manual of advice and its open to the public.
[2016-07-01 00:23:52] Zen Trader : Andreas Antonopoulos is involved
[2016-07-01 00:24:36] Zen Trader : BitMEX_Arthur: Does Bitmex use the CCSS the new security standard ?
[2016-07-01 00:26:29] BitMEX_Arthur : dharmabum: https://www.bitmex.com/app/tradeHistory
[2016-07-01 00:26:38] BitMEX_Arthur : filter on the `Execution Type`
[2016-07-01 00:26:42] BitMEX_Arthur : for `Funding`
[2016-07-01 00:27:29] BitMEX_Arthur : There is a separate line item for funding credits and debits
[2016-07-01 00:27:39] BitMEX_Arthur : Zen Trader: Will have to take a look at that
[2016-07-01 00:33:05] Zen Trader : You really should CCSS provide you with a security standard and ways to protect your wallets against hacks, Multi sig arrangements, generating enough randomness for wallet generation. secure environments allot of really good stuff.
[2016-07-01 00:33:53] dharmabum : BitMEX_Arthur: Filtered ("Search") on "Funding" (no quotes)... Unable to fetch executions. Invalid value for argument 'filter' of type 'object'. Received type was string. Error: Unexpected token F
[2016-07-01 00:34:51] BitMEX_Arthur : On your Trade history, click on `Funding` and it will filter for you
[2016-07-01 00:36:39] dharmabum : BitMEX_Arthur: Ah, you mean click on any entry in the table "Funding". Got that now. Thanks.
[2016-07-01 00:37:25] dharmabum : BitMEX_Arthur: that fills out the correct query in the filter entry field. Not untuitive UX though :(
[2016-07-01 00:38:37] BitMEX_Arthur : dharmabum: Thanks for the feedback
[2016-07-01 00:41:20] dharmabum : BitMEX_Arthur: Thank you for the support :)
[2016-07-01 00:43:44] jung1 : ok time for trollbox predictions
[2016-07-01 00:43:48] jung1 : where we go now?
[2016-07-01 00:47:22] Zen Trader : Up Eth is garbage so it s all up to btc to save the world
[2016-07-01 00:51:07] luckynuke : do you gux hodl alts ?
[2016-07-01 00:59:40] jung1 : shure
[2016-07-01 00:59:55] jung1 : I have whole folder with paperwalets of shitcoins
[2016-07-01 01:00:05] jung1 : part of them are dead already
[2016-07-01 01:00:09] jung1 : but will see
[2016-07-01 01:00:12] jung1 : in couple of years
[2016-07-01 01:41:26] ayy_lmao : Will clef prevent session timeouts on mobile
[2016-07-01 01:46:45] rapidtrades : PBOC sets USD/CNY mid-point today at 6.6496 (vs. yesterday at 6.6312)
[2016-07-01 01:53:02] ayy_lmao : finex wants the pump
[2016-07-01 01:53:08] ayy_lmao : china being a bitch
[2016-07-01 02:03:22] jung1 : damn what a nice moves on btc/cny here
[2016-07-01 02:03:34] jung1 : why I did not trade it before
[2016-07-01 02:04:32] rapidtrades : there's no btc/cny here, jew
[2016-07-01 02:05:14] mikeh : so when I close my long, does the realised PNL come out of it? it makes up almost my entire balance..
[2016-07-01 02:06:24] ayy_lmao : when you close it it gets locked until rebalance
[2016-07-01 02:06:53] mikeh : and then the realised pnl is deducted?
[2016-07-01 02:07:17] ayy_lmao : your pnl will go to withheld profit
[2016-07-01 02:07:26] rapidtrades : china is on par with finex now at 674 @ayy_lmao
[2016-07-01 02:07:37] mikeh : my balance is .25 and realised PNL at -.23 because i had left this in place below my buy in price for days
[2016-07-01 02:08:04] ayy_lmao : then on rebalance withheld balance goes to 0 and you get to use your pnl
[2016-07-01 02:09:13] mikeh : i'm a programmer but this hurts my brain
[2016-07-01 02:09:15] ayy_lmao : loss?
[2016-07-01 02:09:18] ayy_lmao : or profit?
[2016-07-01 02:09:20] rapidtrades : ok futures $2 premium....could mean a pump soon
[2016-07-01 02:09:24] mikeh : yes negative PNL
[2016-07-01 02:09:30] rapidtrades : $2 is a lot for 6 hrs
[2016-07-01 02:09:39] ayy_lmao : as soon as you close it gets taken away from wallet balance
[2016-07-01 02:09:44] ayy_lmao : depending on how much you close
[2016-07-01 02:10:37] mikeh : i'll close with 50% ROE but the rebalance fees will eat almost my entire balance
[2016-07-01 02:11:58] subjective : mikeh: I have a large negative PNL for bad trades 2 weeks ago, should I just create a new account so it doesn't eat into new profit?
[2016-07-01 02:12:15] mikeh : lol I have no clue, just working this out myself
[2016-07-01 02:12:29] ayy_lmao : wut
[2016-07-01 02:12:47] ayy_lmao : once your trades are done and settled they have no future impact
[2016-07-01 02:12:55] cekseh : Uh, that isn't how it works sub
[2016-07-01 02:12:58] cekseh : lol
[2016-07-01 02:13:49] mikeh : so originally I had .3, my long built up realised PNL to -.23, when I close I might have like .31 but then the -23 is deducted right?
[2016-07-01 02:14:17] ayy_lmao : you are at -.25 loss with a long?
[2016-07-01 02:14:20] ayy_lmao : confused on that part
[2016-07-01 02:14:52] mikeh : yes my entry price was 654 and we were below that for days adding to my Realised PNL..
[2016-07-01 02:15:14] ayy_lmao : what does your unrealized pnl say
[2016-07-01 02:15:26] ayy_lmao : dont pay attention to realized
[2016-07-01 02:15:31] mikeh : .09 (48%)
[2016-07-01 02:15:40] ayy_lmao : realized means it already happened
[2016-07-01 02:15:51] ayy_lmao : it means you already settled those gains or debts
[2016-07-01 02:15:59] ayy_lmao : then you are in profit
[2016-07-01 02:16:10] ayy_lmao : and you will gain 0.09 if u close
[2016-07-01 02:16:14] mikeh : hmm, if it already happened then I wonder why my wallet balance is stil lat .25
[2016-07-01 02:16:29] ayy_lmao : have you only deposited .25
[2016-07-01 02:16:55] rapidtrades : well it's a good thing u only deposited 0.25...when u can't even calculate ur profit
[2016-07-01 02:17:25] ayy_lmao : as i said, unrealised will only have effect on you
[2016-07-01 02:17:51] ayy_lmao : realized takes into account any previous gains or losses you occurred on previous trades that you are no longer in
[2016-07-01 02:17:57] mikeh : i only had .3 since before this trade
[2016-07-01 02:18:41] mikeh : hmm yeah i had .6 originally.. it's weird that other trades would be in the position row.
[2016-07-01 02:18:55] ayy_lmao : dont know what to say
[2016-07-01 02:19:09] ayy_lmao : best to ask the mods as they can see your account balance and history
[2016-07-01 02:19:47] ayy_lmao : breakout
[2016-07-01 02:19:47] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 10 @ 678.75
[2016-07-01 02:19:56] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 2000 @ 679.53
[2016-07-01 02:20:31] ayy_lmao : http://imgur.com/IwuE1Ai
[2016-07-01 02:23:54] d_ : haven't seen a mega rekt in a while
[2016-07-01 02:24:51] jung1 : couse everyone is long
[2016-07-01 02:24:56] ayy_lmao : lol
[2016-07-01 02:27:43] jol15925 : can we get some big margin calls up in this b*^&ch
[2016-07-01 02:30:03] QuantFocus : jol15925: we don't want margin calls
[2016-07-01 02:30:09] QuantFocus : margin calls = dpe
[2016-07-01 02:30:42] ayy_lmao : not unless we close into them ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
[2016-07-01 02:31:49] zanza : open interest spiked up today
[2016-07-01 02:32:16] QuantFocus : ayy_lmao: :thumbs up: good point
[2016-07-01 02:32:23] QuantFocus : ayy_lmao: but who's closing?
[2016-07-01 02:32:30] QuantFocus : btc to da mooon
[2016-07-01 02:32:34] ayy_lmao : lol
[2016-07-01 02:32:52] QuantFocus : :full moon:
[2016-07-01 02:32:54] sq : Up up n away
[2016-07-01 02:33:00] QuantFocus : oops
[2016-07-01 02:33:03] QuantFocus : :full_moon:
[2016-07-01 02:33:14] QuantFocus : well that doesn't really look like a moon.
[2016-07-01 02:33:17] ayy_lmao : this 15m candle better follow through
[2016-07-01 02:33:23] ayy_lmao : none of this china bullshit
[2016-07-01 02:33:40] QuantFocus : we're above the cloud on the 4h
[2016-07-01 02:34:22] ayy_lmao : link that shit
[2016-07-01 02:34:30] ayy_lmao : need a confirmation bias
[2016-07-01 02:35:42] QuantFocus : i don't normally link charts, so this is the best i can do
[2016-07-01 02:35:49] QuantFocus : http://imgur.com/KvLcP2X
[2016-07-01 02:36:06] ayy_lmao : noice
[2016-07-01 02:36:17] QuantFocus : but things are looking pretty good
[2016-07-01 02:39:27] BitMEX_Wally : subjective: A negative PNL from a few weeks ago does not effect how much you make or lose now. Opening a new account changes nothing
[2016-07-01 02:41:16] QuantFocus : BitMEX_Wally: i think he was joking
[2016-07-01 02:41:42] QuantFocus : BitMEX_Wally: buuut. since you're here. i'm having trouble getting haas connected to the api
[2016-07-01 02:41:56] QuantFocus : any tips
[2016-07-01 02:43:16] BitMEX_Wally : mikeh: Your wallet balance is 0.25 but you have 0.13104 of unrealised profit so your margin balance is 0.3815406. This profit is withheld and is showing as pending in your wallet: https://www.bitmex.com/app/wallet
[2016-07-01 02:43:58] BitMEX_Wally : mikeh: CashRebalance is not a fee, it is just the PNL from trading and funding moving into your wallet
[2016-07-01 02:44:04] BitMEX_Wally : QuantFocus: What errors are you getting?
[2016-07-01 02:44:42] QuantFocus : BitMEX_Wally: it just isn't connecting. it requires email and password to sync, which is sketchy to start with
[2016-07-01 02:45:01] QuantFocus : BitMEX_Wally: i'm thinking it might be due to 2fa
[2016-07-01 02:45:44] BitMEX_Wally : What exactly is requiring your password to sync?
[2016-07-01 02:46:07] BitMEX_Wally : Our API accepts API keys, or Access Tokens, or for really simple uses you can send username and password
[2016-07-01 02:46:08] QuantFocus : haasbot
[2016-07-01 02:46:41] BitMEX_Wally : I wouldn't give your username and password to hassbot. Create an API key and tell it to use that
[2016-07-01 02:47:07] nip : BitMEX_Wally: how often do you set fair basis on XBTU16
[2016-07-01 02:47:12] QuantFocus : well, it doesn't have the option to utilize API keys for :bitmex: yet
[2016-07-01 02:47:34] QuantFocus : it uses API keys from other sites, but i don't think it's been implemented yet
[2016-07-01 02:47:44] nip : it seems like mark price lags when there is a big move
[2016-07-01 02:48:55] BitMEX_Wally : QuantFocus: We added API key support for Haasbot, tell them to use it
[2016-07-01 02:49:10] QuantFocus : haha, ok
[2016-07-01 02:49:14] QuantFocus : i'll put the request in
[2016-07-01 02:49:50] QuantFocus : thank you, as always, sir
[2016-07-01 02:50:11] BitMEX_Wally : In the mean time create a second account with no 2FA and give it that username/password?
[2016-07-01 02:51:41] BitMEX_Wally : nip: We adjust the basis manually whenever the mark price is not inside the impact adjusted spread
[2016-07-01 02:52:40] QuantFocus : BitMEX_Wally: yea, i have a second account with 0 balance set up for testing purposes
[2016-07-01 02:52:50] QuantFocus : i'm reluctant to deposit though, without 2FA
[2016-07-01 02:53:52] nip : BitMEX_Wally: it is done manually?
[2016-07-01 02:54:55] BitMEX_Wally : nip: Yes, if the contract is liquid we enable the fair price method of 'ImpactMidPrice' and it is done automatically. But at the moment we do it manually
[2016-07-01 02:55:11] BitMEX_Wally : I just adjusted the basis down slightly on XBTU16 (without causing any liquidations)
[2016-07-01 02:55:31] nip : i guess that makes sense to avoid margin calls that trigger margin calls
[2016-07-01 02:55:45] nip : the open interest is a lot bigger than the thin orderbook would suggest
[2016-07-01 02:56:18] BitMEX_Wally : nip: Yes, liquidation orders in the book are ignored for the purposes of calculating the impact spread, etc
[2016-07-01 03:03:08] fineregex : BitMEX_Wally: sorry, could we really saving something going in and out of deals ever 8 hours before funding (given the same entry price)?
[2016-07-01 03:04:33] BitMEX_Wally : fineregex: Let's suppose you are long XBTUSD and the funding rate is 0.309%. If you sell at 11:59 UTC and buy back at 12:01 UTC at exactly the same price then you have avoided 0.309% and paid 0.15% in maker fees
[2016-07-01 03:05:15] BitMEX_Wally : However, the market makers will put their prices up by 0.3% after funding
[2016-07-01 03:05:36] BitMEX_Wally : So you are unlikely to be able to get the same entry price
[2016-07-01 03:05:38] fineregex : BitMEX_Wally: Some one from BitMEX___ said something sounding like funding was more accurated/decay over time?
[2016-07-01 03:05:49] BitMEX_Wally : The mark price decays over time
[2016-07-01 03:06:03] BitMEX_Wally : But that's just used for unrealised PNL
[2016-07-01 03:07:30] fineregex : so only indirect effect
[2016-07-01 03:07:31] fineregex : thanks
[2016-07-01 03:07:35] BitMEX_Wally : So for example, let's say the spot price is $100.00 and the funding rate is 1%. At 12:01 the mark price will be $101 and at 16:00 the mark price will be $100.50 and at 19:59 the mark price will be $100.00 and at 20:00 all longs will pay $1, but then the mark price will jump up $1 to $101.00
[2016-07-01 03:07:53] BitMEX_Wally : So effectively at the point of paying funding your margin balance does not change (wallet balance + unrealised PNL)
[2016-07-01 03:08:15] BitMEX_Wally : But longs are constantly paying funding via their unrealisedPNL decreasing throughout the session
[2016-07-01 03:08:41] BitMEX_Wally : This is so that charging funding does not cause liquidations
[2016-07-01 03:08:55] fineregex : yes
[2016-07-01 03:09:25] BitMEX_Wally : I've seen people sell 1% below spot to avoid a 0.11% funding rate
[2016-07-01 03:09:27] BitMEX_Wally : Happens nearly every day
[2016-07-01 03:11:22] fineregex : yes, wont sell below the 680 level
[2016-07-01 03:12:00] ayy_lmao : bistamp lmao
[2016-07-01 03:12:45] fineregex : but i may put up some huge sell limit orders at 685 or the 50 minutes if anyone is interested ;)
[2016-07-01 03:13:01] fineregex : bitstamp had sellwalls all week
[2016-07-01 03:18:41] mikeh : thanks wally but why does Realised PNL show -.23, if it's from previous trades it doesn't make sense to me to put it alongside the current position
[2016-07-01 03:19:48] ayy_lmao : its nice to know how much your up or down from all previous trades
[2016-07-01 03:20:52] mikeh : yeah i think it's just confusing for it to be where it is..
[2016-07-01 03:21:10] BitMEX_Wally : mikeh: We don't really have the concept of 'per trade' PNL, so we show cumulative PNL for the instrument. If you hover over the realised PNL number it will show you how much realisedPNL since the last rebalance (i.e. the last 24 hours).
[2016-07-01 03:22:59] mikeh : mmm, when you hover it says realised profit and loss on this contract
[2016-07-01 03:26:15] jung1 : https://news.bitcoin.com/china-leading-role-bitcoins-future/
[2016-07-01 03:34:53] ayy_lmao : moon
[2016-07-01 03:35:17] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 5 @ 682.91
[2016-07-01 03:35:22] jung1 : hope not yet
[2016-07-01 03:35:26] ayy_lmao : http://imgur.com/IwuE1Ai
[2016-07-01 03:35:40] ayy_lmao : okcoin new highs
[2016-07-01 03:36:13] d_ : still no mega rekt...
[2016-07-01 03:38:52] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 4000 @ 685.35
[2016-07-01 03:39:17] ayy_lmao : hoobz going 4 it
[2016-07-01 03:39:17] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 2000 @ 685.47
[2016-07-01 03:39:17] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 50 @ 685.46
[2016-07-01 03:39:27] jung1 : d_: there you go
[2016-07-01 03:39:37] ayy_lmao : okcoin being a bitch
[2016-07-01 03:40:00] d_ : mehhh..not sure that counts. doesn't say mega lol
[2016-07-01 03:40:16] jung1 : huobi still without dump
[2016-07-01 03:40:53] mikeh : I was downvoted for saying i wouldn't trust self driving cars for at least 10 years.. just read that someone died in a tesla using the feature..
[2016-07-01 03:41:27] jung1 : still more people die in normal cars than self driving
[2016-07-01 03:41:58] ayy_lmao : tesla says its user error, investigation will see what happened
[2016-07-01 03:42:02] jung1 : imo max 5 years and uber will be without drivers
[2016-07-01 03:42:11] micmix : BitMEX_Wally: Hey Wally, did you figure out what was going on with the API around 12 UTC?