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[2016-06-25 21:04:28] men : breakout incoming?
[2016-06-25 21:05:24] d_ : seems so
[2016-06-25 21:05:50] luckynuke : men: yeep
[2016-06-25 21:06:21] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 25 @ 0.02134
[2016-06-25 21:07:19] men : luckynuke: maybe :D
[2016-06-25 21:07:45] wurstgelee : when i doubt, be long :)
[2016-06-25 21:07:47] men : or a bull trap?
[2016-06-25 21:08:25] luckynuke : wurstgelee: lol yesterday i forgot to close a short ^^
[2016-06-25 21:08:32] wurstgelee : ouch
[2016-06-25 21:08:37] wurstgelee : :)
[2016-06-25 21:08:42] wurstgelee : or did it work out?
[2016-06-25 21:08:45] luckynuke : wurstgelee: made loss but i´ll get it back :)
[2016-06-25 21:08:50] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-06-25 21:08:56] luckynuke : wurstgelee: my btc !
[2016-06-25 21:09:48] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 9 @ 661.57
[2016-06-25 21:10:52] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 100 @ 663.32
[2016-06-25 21:10:56] Lazycoin : can i adjust my leverage after i made the conrtract?
[2016-06-25 21:11:02] Rune : yes
[2016-06-25 21:11:16] Lazycoin : hmm
[2016-06-25 21:11:43] Rune : just don't liq yourself on accident
[2016-06-25 21:11:53] mbaril : Tetsuo: you dont talk buddy ?
[2016-06-25 21:12:16] mbaril : 4385
[2016-06-25 21:12:24] mbaril : Skitrx: told you ;)
[2016-06-25 21:12:32] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 142 @ 663.94
[2016-06-25 21:12:42] Skitrx : mbaril: i'm long :D
[2016-06-25 21:12:52] Skitrx : china going for 4400
[2016-06-25 21:14:34] luckynuke : next resistance 4468
[2016-06-25 21:17:08] asdfman : fuck me and my short..
[2016-06-25 21:17:26] asdfman : still just a big time noob
[2016-06-25 21:18:18] rapidtrades : i thought bitcorn died
[2016-06-25 21:18:46] Rune : lol
[2016-06-25 21:18:47] luckynuke : rapidtrades: yes it died a lot of times, but now it is definetly dead
[2016-06-25 21:19:02] mbaril : rapidtrades: ask @Tetsuo
[2016-06-25 21:19:14] Tetsuo : rapidtrades: just runnin around like a chickun that got it´s head cut off
[2016-06-25 21:19:16] Rune : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hlN2nel5HI
[2016-06-25 21:19:26] Rune : hahaha
[2016-06-25 21:22:59] mbaril : lets try to liquidate de short of Tetsuo :p
[2016-06-25 21:23:47] Tetsuo : mbaril: you gonna buy it up to 1900$?
[2016-06-25 21:24:10] rapidtrades : pfff
[2016-06-25 21:24:11] justinlooking : lol imagine
[2016-06-25 21:24:15] mbaril : ahahah yeah sure Tetsuo dont cry buddy its just a game
[2016-06-25 21:24:23] rapidtrades : more like 690 or 790
[2016-06-25 21:25:17] rapidtrades : prolly leveraged to the tilt, mortgaged his house, loansharked money from russian mafiosos...
[2016-06-25 21:25:33] rapidtrades : Tetsuo= dead man walking
[2016-06-25 21:25:41] justinlooking : it's hilt dummy
[2016-06-25 21:25:49] mbaril : ahahah
[2016-06-25 21:25:53] rapidtrades : :)
[2016-06-25 21:26:15] Tetsuo : rapidtrades: russians actually pay me to take their monex to short BTC
[2016-06-25 21:26:48] Tetsuo : news about btc bug in protocol about to be released soon!
[2016-06-25 21:27:03] mbaril : ahahah yeah yeah nice fud
[2016-06-25 21:27:11] mbaril : How old are you Tetsuo 14 ?
[2016-06-25 21:27:24] Tetsuo : 15
[2016-06-25 21:27:58] luckynuke : 4400 woot
[2016-06-25 21:29:32] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 1032 @ 666.13
[2016-06-25 21:29:50] RoftheN : Didn't anyone say today that it was gonna dump? Were they lying or wrong?
[2016-06-25 21:30:09] mbaril : ahahha if it was tetsuo never listen do the opposite
[2016-06-25 21:30:10] Rado : My long looking really good
[2016-06-25 21:30:24] RoftheN : I wanted to long but people said they would dump
[2016-06-25 21:30:29] RoftheN : They ruin my proft :'(
[2016-06-25 21:30:34] Rado : Tetsuo how is your short?
[2016-06-25 21:30:42] Tetsuo : RoftheN: well we´ve been @680$ today
[2016-06-25 21:30:44] mbaril : never listen to trollbox just evalaute yorudelf
[2016-06-25 21:31:39] Tetsuo : or tetsuo
[2016-06-25 21:36:13] justinlooking : anyone else got buggy orderbook pane?
[2016-06-25 21:36:44] RoftheN : So I should not just blindly follow advice in trollbox?
[2016-06-25 21:36:51] wurstgelee : lol oO
[2016-06-25 21:36:54] Tetsuo : of course you should!
[2016-06-25 21:37:09] wurstgelee : all the big boys do it
[2016-06-25 21:37:18] Tetsuo : that´s how they became rich
[2016-06-25 21:37:52] d_ : @justinlooking yep, i do. the closest asks/bids do not show up on the order pane
[2016-06-25 21:38:16] justinlooking : d_: yeh that's what i've got too
[2016-06-25 21:38:22] Tetsuo : bitmex probably ddosed while gettin hacked and robbed?
[2016-06-25 21:39:02] wurstgelee : omg. everybody battlestations
[2016-06-25 21:39:05] wurstgelee : man the pineapples
[2016-06-25 21:40:46] justinlooking : pulling from orderbook is also nasal demons sometimes
[2016-06-25 21:40:56] justinlooking : *cancel order
[2016-06-25 21:44:08] justinlooking : can replicate on testnet too
[2016-06-25 21:44:14] justinlooking : orderbook in dual layout
[2016-06-25 21:44:19] d_ : the market I'm trading on (eth/xbt) has shamefully low volume, thus it doesn't make much of a difference for me. I imagine it being more of an issue in the other martkers
[2016-06-25 21:44:24] d_ : markets!
[2016-06-25 21:47:04] Tetsuo : stock will rise so high on monday and crash btc & gold
[2016-06-25 21:47:05] justinlooking : bug present in single layout orderbook too
[2016-06-25 21:47:30] Tetsuo : btc bug in protcol found, i agree
[2016-06-25 21:47:47] Rado : Tetsuo delusional
[2016-06-25 21:48:23] Tetsuo : Rado: gonna rise at least 5%
[2016-06-25 21:48:36] mbaril : ahahah Tetsuo is just doing fud
[2016-06-25 21:52:46] Tetsuo : BTCChina has already confirmed that the downtrend will go own by doin that big fakeout
[2016-06-25 21:53:14] Tetsuo : it´s lookin really bad for all bagholders
[2016-06-25 21:54:09] Skitrx : Tetsuo just close your short and stop with the FUD
[2016-06-25 21:54:33] justinlooking : tetsuo, real bad, they're only +50% in 30 days... i feel for them
[2016-06-25 21:54:54] Skitrx : lots of resistance at 4400, Finex and Bitstamp really aren't helping, pussies
[2016-06-25 21:55:00] Tetsuo : justinlooking: depends from which startin point you look
[2016-06-25 21:56:14] Tetsuo : whatever is going to happen(goin down for sure by monday.... :-)) i´m goin to sleep now, bye
[2016-06-25 22:00:54] wurstgelee : good night
[2016-06-25 22:03:14] Rado : Tetsuo a lost soul
[2016-06-25 22:03:32] Rado : I give him 1 more week
[2016-06-25 22:03:40] Rado : Lol
[2016-06-25 22:08:45] mbaril : Tetsuo is creating fud to trade on you guys just ignore him
[2016-06-25 22:12:36] Rado : Does he really think someone will sell because of him?
[2016-06-25 22:14:31] RoftheN : I just sold all my bitcoins
[2016-06-25 22:16:52] Rado : Sold bitcoins for fiat?
[2016-06-25 22:17:08] RoftheN : No, why would I do that
[2016-06-25 22:17:13] RoftheN : For more bitcoins
[2016-06-25 22:18:35] Rado : then you should say that you sold your contracts
[2016-06-25 22:28:05] Stefanowic : Sry guy, I'm getting mad trying to find out how to calculate short/long profits with the calculator and can't find a guide to bitmex. Neither can my friends, is this some kind of chinese sorcery?
[2016-06-25 22:28:28] mbaril : really simple not sure to understand what you have
[2016-06-25 22:28:36] tscha : justinlooking: I got out, sorry bra
[2016-06-25 22:28:41] Stefanowic : Like on 1broker
[2016-06-25 22:28:55] Stefanowic : where you can calculate loss/profit with the leverage
[2016-06-25 22:29:17] Stefanowic : It confuse me quite a bit
[2016-06-25 22:29:34] tscha : justinlooking: good luck though :)
[2016-06-25 22:29:46] QuantFocus : there is a calculator right next to the order fields @Stefanowic
[2016-06-25 22:30:18] Stefanowic : I've seen it, but it doesnt sync with the leverage/gearing I put on
[2016-06-25 22:30:21] QuantFocus : you can modify the leverage maually
[2016-06-25 22:30:52] QuantFocus : just take the total PNL and divide it by your required margin based on desired leverage
[2016-06-25 22:30:55] mbaril : going to the moon
[2016-06-25 22:31:01] mbaril : 4440 on ok
[2016-06-25 22:31:15] Rado : :-)
[2016-06-25 22:33:12] justinlooking : tscha: profit is still profit, good work and sorry for keeping u in a position that went $50 offside!
[2016-06-25 22:33:36] Stefanowic : Seems to be a bug or I'm nit doing it right. If I want to go long/short with x amount of Btc/Xbt and would like to calculate the loss/profit how would I do it?
[2016-06-25 22:34:15] Rado : Why the spread on Kraken
[2016-06-25 22:34:23] tscha : justinlooking: haha easy. I rarely trade manually, I just was stuck in that position that I built during brexit-night and didn't sell when brexit was official (like I should have)
[2016-06-25 22:34:35] tscha : good night folks
[2016-06-25 22:34:54] justinlooking : nn
[2016-06-25 22:35:03] Stefanowic : gn
[2016-06-25 22:35:32] Rado : Stefanowic you the calculator
[2016-06-25 22:35:46] Rado : Use
[2016-06-25 22:35:59] justinlooking : Stefanowic: the PNL Calculator? whatsup with it?
[2016-06-25 22:36:31] Stefanowic : I'm trying but it doesnt sync with the leverage I put on it, so the numbers for sure soenst add up
[2016-06-25 22:36:37] Stefanowic : doesn't*
[2016-06-25 22:37:41] QuantFocus : damn, 2 of my stops triggered right at the bottom
[2016-06-25 22:37:46] QuantFocus : guess i placed those wrong
[2016-06-25 22:37:59] Rado : The leverage doesn't change the profit/loss
[2016-06-25 22:38:13] justinlooking : bright side at least they didn't get u short
[2016-06-25 22:38:41] QuantFocus : i suppose. need to wait for a re-entry point now
[2016-06-25 22:38:43] Stefanowic : So I have to calculate the leverage on top of the profit/loss
[2016-06-25 22:38:47] Stefanowic : could make sense
[2016-06-25 22:39:38] rapidtrades : Stefanowic: why do u need the leverage number?
[2016-06-25 22:39:40] QuantFocus : i'm pretty sure the calculator assumes full leverage
[2016-06-25 22:39:56] rapidtrades : the calc doesn't use any leverage
[2016-06-25 22:40:22] QuantFocus : ah yea, you're right
[2016-06-25 22:40:23] rapidtrades : because leverage doesn't matter, the size of ur position does
[2016-06-25 22:40:43] QuantFocus : you need to know leverage to determine margin though, if you want to calculate true ROE
[2016-06-25 22:41:04] rapidtrades : wtf is ROE
[2016-06-25 22:41:08] QuantFocus : haha
[2016-06-25 22:42:00] QuantFocus : decent measure of determining what you had at risk
[2016-06-25 22:42:09] QuantFocus : :poop:
[2016-06-25 22:42:19] rapidtrades : then why haven't i heard of it?
[2016-06-25 22:42:51] QuantFocus : serious? return on equity
[2016-06-25 22:43:06] QuantFocus : what you put up to earn your return/loss
[2016-06-25 22:43:15] Stefanowic : This is a bit confiusing but starting to make more sense though. This just seem way more complicated than it have too be to me
[2016-06-25 22:43:46] rapidtrades : that's a BS number tho....who cares @QuantFocus
[2016-06-25 22:43:48] QuantFocus : Stefanowic: hey man, it's a professional platform
[2016-06-25 22:44:09] Stefanowic : Starting to catch on on that for sure :)
[2016-06-25 22:44:25] QuantFocus : rapidtrades: it's not entirely BS. the absolute return is more valuable, sure, but as a risk measure, i think ROE has merit
[2016-06-25 22:44:50] rapidtrades : please explain how does ROE account for risk
[2016-06-25 22:44:59] QuantFocus : i mean sure, i want to know how much xbt i made, but i don't disregard roe entirely
[2016-06-25 22:45:15] QuantFocus : equity is capital at risk
[2016-06-25 22:45:29] Stefanowic : So the leverage is to be manualy calculated with the margin and the LNP?
[2016-06-25 22:45:30] QuantFocus : and it's your return on that
[2016-06-25 22:45:36] rapidtrades : because ur true risk depends on where u plan to exit...not some BS number for margin
[2016-06-25 22:45:47] rapidtrades : not it isn't, at all
[2016-06-25 22:46:11] QuantFocus : capital you have in positions is not at risk?
[2016-06-25 22:47:18] QuantFocus : Stefanowic: what they're saying is that the leverage used has no impact on your total return. if you have 1xbt on deposit or 10xbt on deposit, if you own 50,000 contracts, the return is the same
[2016-06-25 22:47:43] QuantFocus : the only difference is that you could actually own 500,000 contracts with 10xbt
[2016-06-25 22:48:07] QuantFocus : or whatever the math is in
[2016-06-25 22:48:39] Stefanowic : Why would I put leverage on and risk my position on dt/ut if it doesnt make any profit on return.
[2016-06-25 22:48:48] 1QaZxSw2 : QuantFocus: yea, the ROE is misleading, even though it is technically correct
[2016-06-25 22:48:53] QuantFocus : when you enter the contract
[2016-06-25 22:49:41] QuantFocus : Stefanowic: because you can earn more money with 500,000 contracts instead of 50,000
[2016-06-25 22:49:52] QuantFocus : or lose more, of course
[2016-06-25 22:49:59] QuantFocus : eh, more quickly
[2016-06-25 22:50:05] rapidtrades : oh ffs....my brain hurts from this discussion
[2016-06-25 22:50:15] QuantFocus : why dude?
[2016-06-25 22:50:40] QuantFocus : i've seen numerous people on here have a difficult understanding how the leverage impacts their returns
[2016-06-25 22:51:03] QuantFocus : difficult time*
[2016-06-25 22:51:37] Stefanowic : Yeah I know, but do I have to cover future loss instead of setting a stoploss and have to have a wallet qith 500.000 contracts?
[2016-06-25 22:51:48] QuantFocus : no
[2016-06-25 22:52:12] QuantFocus : once you're margin called, that's your maximum loss. there is an insurance fund and DPE to cover excess losses, built into the platform
[2016-06-25 22:52:12] rapidtrades : Stefanowic: yes....and that's why ROE figure is BS
[2016-06-25 22:52:12] Stefanowic : rapidtrades: Sry bro, me too just trying to get a grip on this platform. Many have tried it seems
[2016-06-25 22:52:33] rapidtrades : Stefanowic: how many bitcoins u want to buy/sell
[2016-06-25 22:53:02] Lazycoin : any ideas about eth volume seems low... ready for a dump?
[2016-06-25 22:54:16] Stefanowic : Trying to ride the next dt/up number of btc is important.
[2016-06-25 22:54:23] Stefanowic : not*
[2016-06-25 22:54:45] rapidtrades : have u traded at a spot exchange before
[2016-06-25 22:55:34] Stefanowic : But it surely makes no sense that you can't set a stoploss order so you dont have to cover all the leverage opportunity..
[2016-06-25 22:55:42] d_ : eth volume has consistently been low since I switched to this exchange..
[2016-06-25 22:55:57] rapidtrades : Stefanowic: f*ck leverage
[2016-06-25 22:56:20] rapidtrades : how about that
[2016-06-25 22:56:56] Stefanowic : hehe. Thats like driving a car and getting bored when you can see there's room for speed ;)
[2016-06-25 22:57:19] rapidtrades : as i said above, only size matters...input it under quantity and see what u get under order value
[2016-06-25 22:58:25] rapidtrades : if u trade before then u know what do to with that exposure number...if u don't demo until u do
[2016-06-25 22:58:45] QuantFocus : i disagree. i'm here entirely for the leverage. size of the order matters because it impacts MC price.
[2016-06-25 22:58:52] Stefanowic : Sure, but timing beats speed and precision beats power
[2016-06-25 22:58:58] QuantFocus : Stefanowic: and there is a stop loss order, use the drop down box next to the order field
[2016-06-25 22:59:28] rapidtrades : Stefanowic: https://testnet.bitmex.com/
[2016-06-25 22:59:57] rapidtrades : go play there until u get it
[2016-06-25 23:00:37] micmix : Stefanowic: said Connor McGregor before being knocked out by Diaz
[2016-06-25 23:01:23] micmix : beaten up and submitted to be exact
[2016-06-25 23:01:48] Stefanowic : True there but I like the attiitude!
[2016-06-25 23:02:33] Stefanowic : Anyways I'm going to check out the testnet. Thanks for the answers guys!
[2016-06-25 23:14:14] rapidtrades : 666.60
[2016-06-25 23:14:17] rapidtrades : this can't' be good
[2016-06-25 23:21:21] luckynuke : 4400 stable
[2016-06-25 23:26:06] luckynuke : devil is on side of bitcoin >:)
[2016-06-25 23:44:21] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBJ24H`: Sell 30 @ 68237.0
[2016-06-25 23:46:32] luckynuke : wooot 1$ to liquidation and price is running up now wow
[2016-06-25 23:46:43] luckynuke : wtf i got so much luck
[2016-06-26 00:36:36] 1QaZxSw2 : someone from bitmex or knowledgable trader can answer: if i enter the first trade at 25x and the second trade add to position at 15x, did i change the leverage of my first trade as well?
[2016-06-26 00:37:00] 1QaZxSw2 : or is every order segregated for liquidation purposes
[2016-06-26 00:37:06] 1QaZxSw2 : like okc
[2016-06-26 00:38:06] micmix : 1QaZxSw2: leverage is per contract, affects liq price of the open position, not just orders
[2016-06-26 00:39:01] micmix : by moving the slider you will change leverage of your open position from 25x to 15x
[2016-06-26 00:54:57] 1QaZxSw2 : micmix: thanks
[2016-06-26 01:03:38] laisee : diff between pro-traders and day-traders ...
[2016-06-26 01:04:52] Lazycoin : any ideas on eth coming 12 hours?
[2016-06-26 01:05:39] Lazycoin : feel like shorting :
[2016-06-26 01:23:56] rapidtrades : guys
[2016-06-26 01:24:29] Mm bot : rapidtrades: yo
[2016-06-26 01:25:35] rapidtrades : how much do u risk per trade fellas
[2016-06-26 01:56:31] Rado : My leverage is usually under 5
[2016-06-26 01:56:46] ayy_lmao : 5-10
[2016-06-26 01:56:52] ayy_lmao : % of account
[2016-06-26 01:57:57] Rado : My maintenance margin is 6% of my account right now
[2016-06-26 01:58:18] Rado : so the same
[2016-06-26 02:02:02] Lazycoin : eth is amazing it just wont drop
[2016-06-26 02:09:30] ten : XBTUSD 3.58x Leverage now.
[2016-06-26 02:27:34] Lazycoin : btc short?
[2016-06-26 02:35:37] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 600 @ 656.47
[2016-06-26 02:48:39] subjective : BTC about to break soon
[2016-06-26 02:48:56] Lazycoin : ye hope it drops brick
[2016-06-26 02:58:32] Rune : you think it is gonna fall?
[2016-06-26 02:58:32] subjective : Lazycoin: u short?
[2016-06-26 02:59:51] Lazycoin : yes hoping for the best
[2016-06-26 03:00:01] Lazycoin : both eth and btc
[2016-06-26 03:00:46] subjective : ETH could break up tho, softfork gets traction
[2016-06-26 03:00:47] Lazycoin : subjective: and you?
[2016-06-26 03:01:03] subjective : long BTC/ETH, scalping to bring avg price down
[2016-06-26 03:01:06] Lazycoin : i think eth had its period
[2016-06-26 03:02:53] subjective : BFX going up
[2016-06-26 03:03:39] Lazycoin : volume both sides very low
[2016-06-26 03:04:07] subjective : Lazycoin: yep very hard to read
[2016-06-26 03:05:19] subjective : Lazycoin: i don't think both will go down together
[2016-06-26 03:07:02] Lazycoin : ye its kinda tricky tbh just getting my feet wet with all this leverage trading
[2016-06-26 03:09:04] subjective : Lazycoin: becareful short both.
[2016-06-26 03:25:47] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 100 @ 654.89
[2016-06-26 03:31:08] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 1800 @ 653.91
[2016-06-26 03:31:17] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 500 @ 653.28
[2016-06-26 03:31:17] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 32000 @ 653.56 **MEGA-REKT** :boom:
[2016-06-26 03:31:41] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 100 @ 652.64
[2016-06-26 03:31:41] REKT : Blood on the streets!
[2016-06-26 03:33:08] Tetsuo : BTC defo has AIDS, i see no future for it!
[2016-06-26 03:38:43] Aditya : any tip
[2016-06-26 03:39:00] sq : Buy
[2016-06-26 03:40:10] Tetsuo : don´t, just don´t!
[2016-06-26 03:40:39] Aditya : ok so what to do
[2016-06-26 03:40:43] Tetsuo : it´s crashing from here, support line on huobi has already been punctured a few minutes ago
[2016-06-26 03:41:02] Tetsuo : Aditya: wait for some more solid confirmation
[2016-06-26 03:41:23] Aditya : what if i buy at 624
[2016-06-26 03:42:36] sq : Wads houobbobu
[2016-06-26 03:42:51] Tetsuo : chinese exchange
[2016-06-26 03:43:02] sq : Oh kk
[2016-06-26 03:43:39] Lazycoin : eth rising because btc drop :(
[2016-06-26 03:44:09] subjective : Lazycoin: yep, so u shouldn't short together.
[2016-06-26 03:44:55] Lazycoin : lesson learned
[2016-06-26 03:46:58] zanza : ETH master coin
[2016-06-26 03:48:35] Aditya : any tip in bitcoin
[2016-06-26 03:51:25] sq : Buy
[2016-06-26 03:52:18] micmix : flip a coin, heads - long, tail - short
[2016-06-26 03:53:32] micmix : but seriously buy the dips with low leverage
[2016-06-26 03:53:51] sq : Agreed
[2016-06-26 03:53:56] sq : Excellent advice
[2016-06-26 03:54:35] sq : Mic mix do u trade across all exchange
[2016-06-26 03:55:03] micmix : not all of them but many
[2016-06-26 03:55:16] sq : Ok n all mkt making?
[2016-06-26 03:55:53] micmix : mostly mm, some other algos as well
[2016-06-26 03:56:10] sq : Sweet
[2016-06-26 03:58:50] Mm bot : REKT: @micmix what other algo do u use?
[2016-06-26 04:00:59] subjective : China back
[2016-06-26 04:02:32] fineregex : is a moderator here?
[2016-06-26 04:04:20] fineregex : is it normal the bitmex didnt notice my first deposit still after 3 confirmations?
[2016-06-26 04:04:47] fineregex : oh, now... nvm:)
[2016-06-26 04:07:08] fineregex : subjective, bitcoin only falls when it is night in china?:D
[2016-06-26 04:07:10] micmix : Mm bot: predictive algos
[2016-06-26 04:16:20] sq : micmix: what time horizon u predict? Holy?
[2016-06-26 04:16:23] sq : Hourly?
[2016-06-26 04:16:44] micmix : sq: depends, minutes to hours
[2016-06-26 04:20:58] mbaril : we need more volume :)
[2016-06-26 04:21:27] sq : Cool
[2016-06-26 04:24:16] jung1 : morning
[2016-06-26 04:24:33] jung1 : where we go today?
[2016-06-26 04:24:38] jung1 : any predictions?
[2016-06-26 04:30:25] fineregex : "-31.31% ROE" what does it mean? i entered bitcoin 1 minute ago (with leverage 1.5x only)
[2016-06-26 04:30:52] billz : roe is calculated by mark price
[2016-06-26 04:31:08] jung1 : mark price is from kaiko index
[2016-06-26 04:31:37] jung1 : you can check your actual roa by calculator
[2016-06-26 04:32:17] boolander : there is no 1.5x leverage option that i see
[2016-06-26 04:32:22] boolander : you sure it wasn't 15x?
[2016-06-26 04:33:04] fineregex : 3% Margin Used
[2016-06-26 04:33:47] fineregex : liquidation price $390
[2016-06-26 04:34:56] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 258 @ 648.08
[2016-06-26 04:34:57] Hashmine88 : I am new here. Is there enogh volume here to trade max leverage on bitcoin? Will Iit be hard to sell if I were long?
[2016-06-26 04:35:24] jung1 : depends
[2016-06-26 04:35:25] Hashmine88 : What is max margin?
[2016-06-26 04:35:28] jung1 : but mostly yes
[2016-06-26 04:35:30] fineregex : i will just watch unrealised PNL and ignore ROE
[2016-06-26 04:35:32] jung1 : 50
[2016-06-26 04:35:43] Hashmine88 : so I can go 50x on 1 btc?
[2016-06-26 04:35:56] jung1 : yes
[2016-06-26 04:36:00] Hashmine88 : Thank you
[2016-06-26 04:36:05] jung1 : perpetual
[2016-06-26 04:37:03] fineregex : Hashmine88 dont use 50x....
[2016-06-26 04:37:05] micmix : Hashmine88: if you go full 50x you will get liquidated in like 10 minutes, the volatility is too high
[2016-06-26 04:37:16] jung1 : depends
[2016-06-26 04:37:34] Hashmine88 : yeah I know. I want to use 10X. Just trying to figure things out here.
[2016-06-26 04:37:53] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 1000 @ 647.30
[2016-06-26 04:37:58] jung1 : Hashmine88: https://testnet.bitmex.com/
[2016-06-26 04:38:16] jung1 : same engine and data but you are playing fake btc
[2016-06-26 04:38:21] jung1 : better for learning
[2016-06-26 04:38:28] Hashmine88 : Thanks
[2016-06-26 04:39:36] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 350 @ 646.29
[2016-06-26 04:45:04] fineregex : do we pay interest rate on orders or only on positions?
[2016-06-26 04:45:53] BitMEX_Arthur : fineregex: just positions
[2016-06-26 04:49:30] mbaril : almost 10 off finex
[2016-06-26 04:50:13] jung1 : 5
[2016-06-26 04:50:24] jung1 : far away from almost
[2016-06-26 04:51:26] mbaril : when I told that when we were at 641 ;)
[2016-06-26 04:52:15] jung1 : 600 before 700 is possible imo
[2016-06-26 04:53:17] mbaril : agree
[2016-06-26 04:56:34] fineregex : but you are sure about 700?:D
[2016-06-26 04:56:37] fineregex : china stayed at 650
[2016-06-26 05:00:58] jung1 : remember me how many floors have been in bitcoin so far?
[2016-06-26 05:01:09] jung1 : there is new floor every 4 days
[2016-06-26 05:01:18] jung1 : ;)
[2016-06-26 05:09:44] Lazycoin : time for eth drop?
[2016-06-26 05:12:04] jung1 : eth price is pretty impresive
[2016-06-26 05:12:10] jung1 : still hold value
[2016-06-26 05:12:36] Lazycoin : very impressive hoping for nice drop now hehe
[2016-06-26 05:14:06] jung1 : +1
[2016-06-26 05:21:06] fineregex : you can also short and long eth at once
[2016-06-26 05:21:28] fineregex : pretty save thing to do temporary
[2016-06-26 05:21:48] fineregex : you can set a low maximum interest rate on poloniex
[2016-06-26 05:23:47] fineregex : and wait a bit for it to be avaiable
[2016-06-26 05:29:05] Lazycoin : any ideas about lisk? look good long
[2016-06-26 05:29:47] jung1 : yeah I have some ico coins
[2016-06-26 05:30:09] jung1 : good team, good idea
[2016-06-26 05:30:17] Lazycoin : ok
[2016-06-26 05:32:19] mbaril : BitMEX_Arthur: are you tehre ?
[2016-06-26 05:32:35] mbaril : anyone use the mm bot of bitmex ?
[2016-06-26 05:32:42] fineregex : so can you explain why lisk is worth 100 times more than the one they left, providing the code base, crypti
[2016-06-26 05:33:10] Lazycoin : jung1: what was the ico price?
[2016-06-26 05:33:26] jung1 : around 6k lisk for 1btc
[2016-06-26 05:48:10] fineregex : can we avoid funding by closing positions or is it proportional by minutes/average position size?
[2016-06-26 05:52:50] aethlios : fineregex: yes you can avoid. just don't have open position at the time funding is paid/received
[2016-06-26 06:37:16] jung1 : https://twitter.com/whalecalls?lang=en
[2016-06-26 06:54:37] Lazycoin : bulls are strong in eth
[2016-06-26 06:54:45] subjective : up we go
[2016-06-26 07:07:00] zanza : ETH good coin
[2016-06-26 07:07:05] zanza : ETH master coin
[2016-06-26 07:31:03] jung1 : same price as bitmex
[2016-06-26 07:42:11] jung1 : https://www.reddit.com/r/BitcoinMarkets/comments/4plvip/bitcoin_bubble_bear_traps/ what do you think?
[2016-06-26 07:46:31] zanza : no one will know
[2016-06-26 07:46:34] zanza : until the future
[2016-06-26 07:46:40] zanza : obviously
[2016-06-26 07:47:19] jung1 : this is why we trade futures here
[2016-06-26 07:47:23] jung1 : to know the future
[2016-06-26 07:47:28] zanza : oh snap
[2016-06-26 07:47:46] zanza : perpetual isn't a future tho :) its just a modified spot
[2016-06-26 07:48:48] zanza : looks like they probably gunna delist the long dated future
[2016-06-26 07:48:48] jung1 : whats is the difference?
[2016-06-26 07:48:59] zanza : 30 Sept will be last one
[2016-06-26 07:49:26] jung1 : good to go long after halving on it then
[2016-06-26 07:50:07] aethlios : jung1: us money supply (M0) in 2007 was 800 billion, now is 4.000 billion. If in the next crisis it gets multiplied by 5 again there will be 20.000 billion M0. So btc demand as a safe heaven because of limited supply could sent price to 30.000 or 50.000.
[2016-06-26 07:50:43] jung1 : not impossible
[2016-06-26 07:51:15] jung1 : all folks from trollboxes could be new wealthy elite
[2016-06-26 07:51:23] aethlios : jung1: of course 30.000 usd won't worth the same as today, but your buying power will increase a lot.
[2016-06-26 07:52:53] jung1 : or after next crisis
[2016-06-26 07:53:13] jung1 : yuan will be next worldwide currency
[2016-06-26 07:54:43] laisee : jung1: funny that the chinese with money seem very anxious to get their wealth out CNY ...
[2016-06-26 07:56:17] laisee : I guess the gra$$ is always greener anywhere but home ...
[2016-06-26 07:57:37] jleon : how make a request to add new crypto pair for swap?
[2016-06-26 07:57:38] aethlios : Next crisis will be the bond bubble breakdown. All those trillions invested in 0% 10 year bonds will start moving, this will create an earthquake. because governments wont raise rates, what will happen is that central bankers will keep biding the bonds and private holders dumbing. all those fiat money then will move to gold silver real estate commodities btc land to get protected from inflation. real rates will be -5% or more. This way governments will reduce the real value of debt (deleverage) using inflation.
[2016-06-26 07:58:12] jung1 : imo in next years yuan or some gold backed dinar/other currency from middle east will be main one
[2016-06-26 07:59:20] laisee : jung1: I think you're right on the currency with backing, except the backing would come from energy assets (oil, gas) rather than gold.
[2016-06-26 07:59:56] jung1 : well even saudi arabia know that oil is not a future now
[2016-06-26 08:00:45] laisee : heh. Saudi could be fine if they spend $5 less than they earn, but its the other way around currently.
[2016-06-26 08:01:07] jleon : which natural resource are perceived to have value now aside from gold/silver, oil/gas?
[2016-06-26 08:01:08] jung1 : but this is why us killed khadafi. He want to trade oil by gold dinar, not us dollar http://www.thedailybell.com/editorials/anthony-wile-gaddafi-planned-gold-dinar-now-under-attack/
[2016-06-26 08:01:50] jung1 : jleon: now there is a technology to make even diamonds in labolatory
[2016-06-26 08:02:26] jung1 : in 1-2 decades there will be space minning and completly new resources imo
[2016-06-26 08:05:38] aethlios : no government can keep a gold backed currency for ever, 1 or 2 decates and then it will devalue. UK did it, US did it, better trust the bullion itself.
[2016-06-26 08:06:33] laisee : Jungs: ... and DAO run by AI exploiting resources across the galaxy, before making war on humans as they are not economically viable. Nice futures ahead ... :/
[2016-06-26 08:08:27] zanza : space mining :o
[2016-06-26 08:09:30] subjective : should i hold long for a bit more for shorts to liquidate first?
[2016-06-26 08:10:49] laisee : zanza: space mining run by AI named Wintermute, on behalf of Tessier-Ashpool family who reside in space for tax reasons.
[2016-06-26 08:11:02] jung1 : http://www.space.com/30213-asteroid-mining-planetary-resources-2025.html
[2016-06-26 08:11:13] jung1 : its future
[2016-06-26 08:11:16] jung1 : deal with it
[2016-06-26 08:12:12] aethlios : Friday gold had 108 usd move, low to high. This is a scary thing.
[2016-06-26 08:17:14] jung1 : yeah
[2016-06-26 08:17:32] Lazycoin : eth losing ground
[2016-06-26 08:21:44] jung1 : what a bulshit about bitcoin as safe haven for brexit
[2016-06-26 08:21:45] jung1 : http://data.bitcoinity.org/markets/volume/6m/GBP?c=e&t=a
[2016-06-26 08:23:05] RoftheN : WTf was with 06/09/2016?
[2016-06-26 08:25:19] jung1 : dunno
[2016-06-26 08:25:19] boolander : respect jungster for some great links. thanks for sharing
[2016-06-26 08:25:33] jung1 : de nada
[2016-06-26 08:25:57] boolander : this volume one speaks....well, um, volumes.
[2016-06-26 08:26:13] RoftheN : Jung, why does it exclude the biggest exchanges?
[2016-06-26 08:27:12] boolander : choose USD from drop down
[2016-06-26 08:27:17] RoftheN : http://data.bitcoinity.org/markets/volume/30d?c=e&t=a This one has bigger excahnges
[2016-06-26 08:27:22] boolander : should open up plethora of other exchanges
[2016-06-26 08:27:55] RoftheN : Oooh
[2016-06-26 08:27:56] jung1 : RoftheN: its for gpb
[2016-06-26 08:27:59] RoftheN : That's only GBP
[2016-06-26 08:28:02] jung1 : yeah
[2016-06-26 08:28:06] RoftheN : Sorry I'm stupid
[2016-06-26 08:28:26] jung1 : all that media hype about bitcoin as safe haven for bitish people
[2016-06-26 08:28:33] RoftheN : Guess the Brits aren't as informed
[2016-06-26 08:28:49] zanza : Brits are sheeple
[2016-06-26 08:28:57] boolander : they buying gold first off
[2016-06-26 08:28:59] RoftheN : Buy teah tbh RN Bitcoin is too volatile to be really a safe haven
[2016-06-26 08:29:13] zanza : and statist fiat is safe?
[2016-06-26 08:29:32] zanza : filthy fiat
[2016-06-26 08:29:36] RoftheN : I think the bitcoin community should build a massive buywall at 500$, so people have atleast some trust that it won't fall lower. Then we can say BTC is At least worth 500$
[2016-06-26 08:29:55] jung1 : cant happen
[2016-06-26 08:30:07] jung1 : they try it with blackcoin
[2016-06-26 08:30:11] jung1 : around '14
[2016-06-26 08:30:27] RoftheN : Oh
[2016-06-26 08:30:32] RoftheN : What happened?
[2016-06-26 08:30:36] jung1 : black shield project or something. community made fund to keep price on some level
[2016-06-26 08:30:38] RoftheN : Maybe they simply put it too high
[2016-06-26 08:30:58] jung1 : you cant manipulate market so easy
[2016-06-26 08:31:11] jung1 : there will be always someone with bigger wallet
[2016-06-26 08:31:20] jung1 : and willl play against you
[2016-06-26 08:31:22] RoftheN : But I don't mean it as a pump, I mean it as a stability and trust creating buy wall
[2016-06-26 08:31:43] jung1 : http://www.investopedia.com/ask/answers/08/george-soros-bank-of-england.asp
[2016-06-26 08:31:49] jung1 : will not work
[2016-06-26 08:31:51] RoftheN : Okay what about
[2016-06-26 08:31:56] RoftheN : a buywall at 250$
[2016-06-26 08:32:19] RoftheN : I mean it probably won't ever reach that price anymore
[2016-06-26 08:32:33] RoftheN : But it would create trust that it won't go down as easily
[2016-06-26 08:32:57] jung1 : people will trust bitcoin if it will be fast and secure
[2016-06-26 08:33:07] zanza : remember the Bitcoin Barewhale?
[2016-06-26 08:33:08] jung1 : do not need fake pump
[2016-06-26 08:33:11] zanza : it didn't last
[2016-06-26 08:33:11] jung1 : no
[2016-06-26 08:34:16] RoftheN : I'm not talking about a pump. I'm talking about a buywall that doesn't drive the price up, but keeps it above it so that people are certain they wouldn't suddenly lose 80% of their money next day ''because Bitcoin is so volatile''
[2016-06-26 08:34:16] zanza : I think I might short EURO
[2016-06-26 08:34:40] zanza : it means early adopters could cahs out without sippage
[2016-06-26 08:34:46] zanza : not a good idea
[2016-06-26 08:35:07] jung1 : RoftheN: that kind of interventions did not work even with fiat currencies
[2016-06-26 08:35:07] zanza : satoshi could dump into it without worry of a crash
[2016-06-26 08:35:37] jung1 : zanza: *szabo
[2016-06-26 08:35:40] RoftheN : If that happens than bitcoin isn't in the hands of a few big whales anymore, but spread out to more people, which sounds good to me
[2016-06-26 08:36:11] RoftheN : Is Satoshi even alive?
[2016-06-26 08:36:26] jung1 : imo szabo is satoshi
[2016-06-26 08:36:28] RoftheN : He better sell his stack before he dies or we'll always be scared someone will find it
[2016-06-26 08:36:35] jung1 : or at least drank vodka with him
[2016-06-26 08:37:27] jung1 : RoftheN: https://twitter.com/erikvoorhees/status/746335932920389634 this is why people gonna trust bitcoin
[2016-06-26 08:37:30] RoftheN : They probably know eachtother. But Satoshi claimed to be Japanese, and why would he lie?
[2016-06-26 08:37:30] jung1 : not fake buy walls
[2016-06-26 08:38:04] RoftheN : Why not both?
[2016-06-26 08:38:07] RoftheN : And it's not fake
[2016-06-26 08:39:12] RoftheN : Even if it doesn't work well, it's worth trying imo. Even if a big whale like Satoshi dumps, it will only restore after, this time, with a whale less.
[2016-06-26 08:44:33] jung1 : wbetter use that maney for buy walls
[2016-06-26 08:44:41] jung1 : to simply buy bitcoin
[2016-06-26 08:44:53] zanza : leverage
[2016-06-26 08:44:56] zanza : we can go 50x jung
[2016-06-26 08:45:02] zanza : make a wall and make mexico pay for it
[2016-06-26 08:45:49] jung1 : hm
[2016-06-26 08:45:51] jung1 : true
[2016-06-26 08:46:26] jung1 : but leverage will make pump much harder
[2016-06-26 09:12:44] zanza : wei dai = satoshi
[2016-06-26 09:17:00] jung1 : wei dai?
[2016-06-26 09:17:19] jung1 : sounds like kind of soup
[2016-06-26 09:19:44] Tedy. : Hey guys
[2016-06-26 09:20:05] jung1 : hello
[2016-06-26 09:20:11] Tedy. : I was wondering how can i reset my chart layout and take away indicators.
[2016-06-26 09:21:13] jung1 : click on chart right button
[2016-06-26 09:21:16] jung1 : and reset chart
[2016-06-26 09:21:20] jung1 : or alt+r
[2016-06-26 09:22:33] Tedy. : Thanks mate
[2016-06-26 09:25:08] jung1 : damn I will love to buy some bitmex shares
[2016-06-26 09:25:12] jung1 : and trade them
[2016-06-26 09:36:50] jung1 : https://blockchain.info/charts/estimated-transaction-volume-usd?timespan=all&showDataPoints=false&daysAverageString=7&show_header=true&scale=0&address=
[2016-06-26 10:12:21] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBJ24H`: Sell 100 @ 66514.0
[2016-06-26 10:16:21] jung1 : we are going to test 4250 again
[2016-06-26 10:16:51] Lazycoin : any ideas about eth?
[2016-06-26 10:17:21] jung1 : I have feeling that huge dump incomming
[2016-06-26 10:17:50] jung1 : but really hard to say. eth seems like dont give a f about other coins
[2016-06-26 10:17:57] Lazycoin : ye volume really low
[2016-06-26 10:29:08] jung1 : told ya!
[2016-06-26 10:33:43] laisee : ETH rises
[2016-06-26 10:36:33] Lazycoin : yeah after btc drop
[2016-06-26 10:38:43] astig13 : what happen to btc slow
[2016-06-26 11:01:14] wurstgelee : good morning
[2016-06-26 11:01:18] wurstgelee : also dump please
[2016-06-26 11:01:22] wurstgelee : ;)