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[2016-06-23 09:37:25] asdfman : here?
[2016-06-23 09:37:41] ayy_lmao : on xbt/usd
[2016-06-23 09:37:44] macios15 : and dpe clears on funding or no?
[2016-06-23 09:37:52] ayy_lmao : on rebalance
[2016-06-23 09:38:00] ayy_lmao : in like 3 hours
[2016-06-23 09:38:03] asdfman : so not xbtm16?
[2016-06-23 09:38:15] ayy_lmao : not unless xbt16 has dpe
[2016-06-23 09:38:22] BitMEX_Wally : XBTM16 will rebalance Friday 12:00 UTC
[2016-06-23 09:38:57] asdfman : ok
[2016-06-23 09:39:04] BitMEX_Wally : Only XBTUSD has DPE, and only those with net profit on XBTUSD In the last 24 hours will be affected
[2016-06-23 09:39:07] asdfman : where can i read about dpe?
[2016-06-23 09:39:17] BitMEX_Wally : https://www.bitmex.com/app/dynamicProfitEqualisation
[2016-06-23 09:39:57] asdfman : thanks
[2016-06-23 09:41:04] elmorte : Tetsuo: spot or margin?
[2016-06-23 09:44:04] elmorte : micmix: what's the link for the chat emoticons again?
[2016-06-23 09:44:33] micmix : http://www.emoji-cheat-sheet.com/
[2016-06-23 09:45:55] elmorte : cheers, sorry to :bug: ya
[2016-06-23 09:46:12] elmorte : not quite the bug I imagined :)
[2016-06-23 09:54:14] tscha : justinlooking: have you voted already?
[2016-06-23 09:54:45] justinlooking : na am going after work
[2016-06-23 09:55:01] tscha : pretty cool that you can vote until 23:00
[2016-06-23 10:03:03] ayy_lmao : thank you china
[2016-06-23 10:04:35] macios15 : kill the dpe
[2016-06-23 10:14:47] justinlooking : now 6/1 against for leave on betfair
[2016-06-23 10:16:28] elmorte : For every 7 ppl, 6 vote remain?
[2016-06-23 10:21:22] rapidtrades : guys
[2016-06-23 10:23:00] rapidtrades : if ur not trading GBP or EUR assets, pls stop the brexit talk
[2016-06-23 10:23:13] rapidtrades : its embarrassing
[2016-06-23 10:23:36] justinlooking : not sure is as black and white as that elmorte
[2016-06-23 10:23:42] elmorte : sorry you feel that way, I don't think pommies are embarrassing...
[2016-06-23 10:24:12] boolander : cup o' tea
[2016-06-23 10:24:25] elmorte : isn't that what 6/1 means @justinlooking ?
[2016-06-23 10:25:26] rapidtrades : NO those are betting odds
[2016-06-23 10:25:47] rapidtrades : it means odds for brexit now 16%
[2016-06-23 10:25:51] justinlooking : 6/1 against means bet of 1 wins 6, (and get 1 stake returned)
[2016-06-23 10:25:56] rapidtrades : or u bet 1 pound u get 6
[2016-06-23 10:28:26] elmorte : Thanks @justinlooking
[2016-06-23 10:31:17] rapidtrades : HOW ABOUT ME
[2016-06-23 10:31:18] rapidtrades : THANK U RAPID
[2016-06-23 10:31:31] newb : is there a place that i can get help
[2016-06-23 10:31:37] newb : like how to place a leveraged bitcoin buy
[2016-06-23 10:32:29] elmorte : rapidtrades: aww shu shu....didn't think you'd care
[2016-06-23 10:32:55] elmorte : Plus I'm not sure if it means odds are one in seven or one in six...but that's just being pedantic
[2016-06-23 10:35:36] rapidtrades : k
[2016-06-23 10:36:07] rapidtrades : well there's a major risk on rally right on in cable
[2016-06-23 10:36:14] rapidtrades : smaller rally in EUR
[2016-06-23 10:36:19] rapidtrades : is there a dump in bitcoin?
[2016-06-23 10:36:22] rapidtrades : NO
[2016-06-23 10:36:30] rapidtrades : case closed, brexit is bullshit
[2016-06-23 10:36:48] elmorte : what on in cable?
[2016-06-23 10:36:58] rapidtrades : pound is up 240 pips
[2016-06-23 10:37:03] rapidtrades : close to 2% today
[2016-06-23 10:37:31] rapidtrades : euro close to 1%
[2016-06-23 10:38:06] elmorte : so should I close my losing long? Only 3 XBT in red...
[2016-06-23 10:38:49] rapidtrades : i think brexit will have 0 longterm impact....do what u want
[2016-06-23 10:39:06] elmorte : longterm duh...
[2016-06-23 10:39:30] rapidtrades : longterm is in more then 1 day
[2016-06-23 10:39:36] newb : how do i buy btc with leverage
[2016-06-23 10:39:56] rapidtrades : any dump will be quickly reversed in day or two..prolly hours
[2016-06-23 10:40:14] Mm bot : Are there like a spread chart to look at XBTUSD?
[2016-06-23 10:40:24] elmorte : My liqn price is 441....hopefully will make it thru
[2016-06-23 10:41:49] elmorte : But tomorrow is Friday...and @Bitmex_Wally's probably gonna hit the piss...
[2016-06-23 10:42:04] elmorte : I need at least 200$ buffer
[2016-06-23 10:49:00] justinlooking : wtf happened there
[2016-06-23 10:51:33] wurstgelee : where?
[2016-06-23 10:53:24] justinlooking : few mins ago xbtusd, recent trades
[2016-06-23 10:53:42] justinlooking : swept from 587->607... just thin i guess
[2016-06-23 10:55:13] wurstgelee : probably
[2016-06-23 11:05:27] rapidtrades : don't panick
[2016-06-23 11:05:40] rapidtrades : alternatively, if short, panicK
[2016-06-23 11:08:03] rapidtrades : cmon finex leave these chiese effers behind
[2016-06-23 11:08:12] rapidtrades : LEAVE CHINA BEHIND
[2016-06-23 11:08:18] rapidtrades : AND BUILD A WALL AROUND IT
[2016-06-23 11:08:51] Mm bot : going to be epic soon..
[2016-06-23 11:08:56] ayy_lmao : AND MKAE CHINA PAY FOR IT
[2016-06-23 11:09:14] Mm bot : Bull market is bad for MM bots actually, ended up with lots of shorts as market spike up
[2016-06-23 11:09:19] rapidtrades : exactly ayy_lmoa...ur a f*Cking geninus
[2016-06-23 11:10:31] wurstgelee : Mm bot: bear market as well i figure. flat market should be best for u;)
[2016-06-23 11:10:35] rapidtrades : sry for my grammar, lag is too great
[2016-06-23 11:11:11] Mm bot : wurstgelee: yep, probably supervise the bot but entering some profit lock-in orders
[2016-06-23 11:12:06] Mm bot : Yep, if there is another 3 week bull run, it would kill the bot account
[2016-06-23 11:13:07] rapidtrades : cmon finex one last fomo for daddy
[2016-06-23 11:13:15] Mm bot : now, both 15min RSI/MACD points up.. would be good for this MM bot learning
[2016-06-23 11:13:50] Mm bot : find out when Daddy gotta step in to take some profit/stop lock-in orders.
[2016-06-23 11:15:02] rapidtrades : btc-e finex gap now down to $13 from over $60 last night
[2016-06-23 11:15:10] rapidtrades : free money for those who got in
[2016-06-23 11:15:36] gaoMex : So will the insurance fund be sufficient to cover the DPE?
[2016-06-23 11:15:44] rapidtrades : nope
[2016-06-23 11:16:20] rapidtrades : DPE usually signals the fund is gone
[2016-06-23 11:16:45] gaoMex : Don't think so
[2016-06-23 11:16:51] rapidtrades : k
[2016-06-23 11:16:56] gaoMex : DPE does not take into account insurance fund
[2016-06-23 11:16:58] rapidtrades : well page support
[2016-06-23 11:17:07] rapidtrades : mr. smarty pants
[2016-06-23 11:17:10] NukeLaloosh : btc-e safe? lots of dodgy reviews
[2016-06-23 11:17:28] rapidtrades : not rly safe, i only trade small % there
[2016-06-23 11:18:48] gaoMex : BitMEX_Wally: Does DPE take into account insurance fund?
[2016-06-23 11:19:01] justinlooking : gaoMex: yes
[2016-06-23 11:19:17] rapidtrades : hey ur not support
[2016-06-23 11:20:36] justinlooking : already been applied, think that liq was triggered at around 650, the ins fund has allowed it to move down to 62something
[2016-06-23 11:20:50] BitMEX_Wally : justinlooking: correct
[2016-06-23 11:21:03] gaoMex : that's shit
[2016-06-23 11:22:42] rapidtrades : emotions are high on this holy day of Brexit
[2016-06-23 11:23:51] rapidtrades : 600 hypeeeeeeeeeeeee
[2016-06-23 11:23:56] rapidtrades : go finex u bitch
[2016-06-23 11:26:03] Mm bot : All indicators points up from here :) Plus Brits are blessing BTC
[2016-06-23 11:26:22] luckynuke : vote for down to 520
[2016-06-23 11:26:56] Mm bot : well, u still hv time to short or buy.. what time is the result?
[2016-06-23 11:27:12] macios15 : Mm bot: exactly lake yesterday
[2016-06-23 11:27:20] macios15 : like*
[2016-06-23 11:27:27] ayy_lmao : what vote
[2016-06-23 11:28:03] rapidtrades : no vote, don't worry abut it
[2016-06-23 11:28:05] ayy_lmao : yah looks up
[2016-06-23 11:30:37] Mm bot : there will be some epic liquidation of shorts very soon
[2016-06-23 11:33:33] rapidtrades : cmon finex are u gonna break this or just sit in front of the door like a lil faaaaaag
[2016-06-23 11:35:20] arbitrage001 : lol
[2016-06-23 11:35:23] arbitrage001 : still 20% dpe
[2016-06-23 11:35:29] arbitrage001 : when is it going to clear
[2016-06-23 11:35:40] ayy_lmao : china gonna be gay and wait for new 4 hour
[2016-06-23 11:35:42] rapidtrades : could take a few days tbh
[2016-06-23 11:36:10] rapidtrades : it is 1.5 mil
[2016-06-23 11:36:18] NukeLaloosh : BitMEX_Wally: how do i place limit buys below my liq price?
[2016-06-23 11:36:30] ayy_lmao : that 12 hour is lol
[2016-06-23 11:36:34] ayy_lmao : full retrace
[2016-06-23 11:36:42] ayy_lmao : on that candle
[2016-06-23 11:36:57] rapidtrades : daily doesnt look bad either
[2016-06-23 11:37:25] arbitrage001 : dont think correction is over
[2016-06-23 11:37:52] ayy_lmao : if it isnt, rip bitcoin we are going to the core
[2016-06-23 11:38:19] rapidtrades : arbitrage001: don't be a Negative Nancy
[2016-06-23 11:38:30] arbitrage001 : rapidtrades: i am not
[2016-06-23 11:38:32] ayy_lmao : pump it china
[2016-06-23 11:38:38] arbitrage001 : i just checked the price all over exchanges
[2016-06-23 11:38:49] arbitrage001 : price in china still lower than finex
[2016-06-23 11:38:52] Mm bot : arbitrage001: should be over
[2016-06-23 11:39:01] arbitrage001 : so correction is not over
[2016-06-23 11:40:03] ayy_lmao : yah well it all depends on new 4 hr and 12 hr
[2016-06-23 11:40:07] ayy_lmao : so we will see
[2016-06-23 11:41:57] Mm bot : arbitrage001: it will consolidates for a week or something right?
[2016-06-23 11:42:12] luckynuke : doom
[2016-06-23 11:42:12] arbitrage001 : Mm bot: dont know
[2016-06-23 11:42:33] arbitrage001 : i only trade based on what i see now
[2016-06-23 11:42:40] arbitrage001 : now what i think will happen
[2016-06-23 11:42:51] arbitrage001 : not
[2016-06-23 11:50:51] NukeLaloosh : BitMEX_Wally: why won't it let me remove margin from a position that's only at 3.5X?
[2016-06-23 11:51:27] ayy_lmao : u on cross or fixed?
[2016-06-23 11:51:36] NukeLaloosh : fixed
[2016-06-23 11:51:46] ayy_lmao : no idea then
[2016-06-23 11:51:51] BitMEX_Wally : You can only remove margin that has been added
[2016-06-23 11:51:52] NukeLaloosh : i moved slider all the way out, no change
[2016-06-23 11:51:56] BitMEX_Wally : And you cannot submit a bid below your liquidation price
[2016-06-23 11:52:08] BitMEX_Wally : (if long)
[2016-06-23 11:52:14] NukeLaloosh : that second one needs to change
[2016-06-23 11:52:18] NukeLaloosh : yes long
[2016-06-23 11:53:01] BitMEX_Wally : When you are liquidated all orders in that contract are automatically canceled
[2016-06-23 11:53:09] BitMEX_Wally : So that bid would never be filled anyway
[2016-06-23 11:53:41] NukeLaloosh : if i get a fill right above my liq price, liq price goes down. that means i need to enter another one very quickly instead of relying on one on the book. and another reason, if i do get liqd, then i should be able to have an order on the book for a new position
[2016-06-23 11:55:32] ayy_lmao : brace yourselves boys, dpe is coming
[2016-06-23 11:58:31] john : what happens after DPE with openstanding liquidation order that was still there at 624 or so??
[2016-06-23 11:58:54] rapidtrades : they will put it at mark
[2016-06-23 11:59:04] rapidtrades : so around 595 ish?
[2016-06-23 11:59:15] BitMEX_Wally : Yes
[2016-06-23 11:59:20] john : and then its just hanging there hoping to be absorbed and if not again DPE?
[2016-06-23 11:59:31] rapidtrades : exactly
[2016-06-23 11:59:38] ayy_lmao : we can get charged twice?
[2016-06-23 11:59:39] ayy_lmao : wut
[2016-06-23 11:59:44] rapidtrades : yep
[2016-06-23 11:59:50] john : nice exchange
[2016-06-23 11:59:56] ayy_lmao : lmao
[2016-06-23 11:59:57] bobo : pfff
[2016-06-23 11:59:58] john : but exciting1
[2016-06-23 12:00:10] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 1505854 @ 591.34 **REKTosaurus** :slot_machine: :moneybag: :fire:
[2016-06-23 12:00:20] ayy_lmao : just paid 0.7 in dpe lmao
[2016-06-23 12:00:21] john : there we go......
[2016-06-23 12:00:31] rapidtrades : there it is
[2016-06-23 12:00:39] rapidtrades : hey bby!
[2016-06-23 12:00:53] mbaril : I paid 0.3 in DPE thanks you drop :(
[2016-06-23 12:01:21] macios15 : i need small loan of a million dolars
[2016-06-23 12:01:39] rapidtrades : oh yea? email me
[2016-06-23 12:01:48] rapidtrades : i give out the BEST LOANS
[2016-06-23 12:02:20] ayy_lmao : lol if this dumps and y'all get dpe'd again
[2016-06-23 12:02:57] rapidtrades : that would be pretty brutal...i think it happened to longs on the way up
[2016-06-23 12:03:09] rapidtrades : two DPEs back to back
[2016-06-23 12:03:12] john : why dont those liquidations are incrementally at marketprices instead of those huge bumps at a fixed price?
[2016-06-23 12:04:21] macios15 : buy that 1,3mln get rekt again and make more dpe
[2016-06-23 12:04:32] ayy_lmao : why dont people stop getting liquidated for 2k btc
[2016-06-23 12:07:15] subjective : what is that ?
[2016-06-23 12:07:19] subjective : 1.3M?
[2016-06-23 12:07:21] Avalanche : BitMEX_Wally: Hello Wally
[2016-06-23 12:07:56] subjective : Mother load
[2016-06-23 12:08:01] BitMEX_Wally : Avalanche: Hello
[2016-06-23 12:08:26] ayy_lmao : its the remains of a retard
[2016-06-23 12:08:52] Avalanche : BitMEX_Wally: I need explanation from someone about rebalance and profits
[2016-06-23 12:09:37] luckynuke : BitMEX_Wally: hey wally
[2016-06-23 12:09:51] Avalanche : because few hours ago I was 10xbt in profit and now have 5
[2016-06-23 12:10:11] Avalanche : all was closed positions and no new ones
[2016-06-23 12:10:25] mbaril : DPE my friend DPE :)
[2016-06-23 12:10:27] ayy_lmao : welcome to dpe
[2016-06-23 12:10:31] rapidtrades : u lost 30% to DPE @Avalanche
[2016-06-23 12:11:29] ayy_lmao : u have to pay for someone else's f*ck up
[2016-06-23 12:11:42] Avalanche : what ?
[2016-06-23 12:11:50] BitMEX_Wally : Avalanche: Your net profit in XBTUSD for the last 24 hour was adjusted due to DPE
[2016-06-23 12:12:36] BitMEX_Wally : Avalanche: The fee column is the amount of profit that was adjusted: https://www.bitmex.com/app/wallet
[2016-06-23 12:12:49] luckynuke : lol dat wall
[2016-06-23 12:13:22] BitMEX_Wally : The DPE rate was 22.69%
[2016-06-23 12:13:42] jung1 : 1242005
[2016-06-23 12:14:09] rapidtrades : let's be real, DPE/clawbacks is the disgrace of this industry
[2016-06-23 12:14:25] Avalanche : BitMEX_Wally: And it was that high at rebalance time ?
[2016-06-23 12:14:39] MrJ1m : all the rebalance are done then?
[2016-06-23 12:14:41] ayy_lmao : the drawbacks of trading fake bitcoins for fake bitcoins lmao
[2016-06-23 12:14:54] BitMEX_Wally : The history is here: https://www.bitmex.com/app/settlementHistory
[2016-06-23 12:15:01] rapidtrades : ayy_lmao: the PNL is in real bitcoins sadly
[2016-06-23 12:15:27] ayy_lmao : until dpe comes
[2016-06-23 12:15:51] luckynuke : dpe -> double penetration
[2016-06-23 12:16:02] Avalanche : I see a Fee of 1.03xbt
[2016-06-23 12:16:04] john : but who owns this position of 1242005 now?
[2016-06-23 12:16:05] blurrrrrp : The insurance fund is empty now?
[2016-06-23 12:16:18] rapidtrades : yes
[2016-06-23 12:16:24] john : its DPE'e ad 590.88, but now in the books at 587.87...who takes the extra loss?
[2016-06-23 12:16:38] BitMEX_Wally : The insurance fund
[2016-06-23 12:16:39] john : is this DPE again or is bitmex takingthis now?
[2016-06-23 12:16:39] ayy_lmao : whoever trades this contract
[2016-06-23 12:16:40] rapidtrades : they added funds from liqs prolly
[2016-06-23 12:16:58] rapidtrades : now its empty again
[2016-06-23 12:17:04] john : wasnt insurance fund already done from 650 to 625..and empty?
[2016-06-23 12:17:12] john : ahh...okok..and now empty again...understood
[2016-06-23 12:17:24] rapidtrades : right but liqs were happening all day yday
[2016-06-23 12:17:27] ayy_lmao : they dont fully liquidate you
[2016-06-23 12:17:36] ayy_lmao : they take the remains of your liquidated order
[2016-06-23 12:17:38] john : so if we go down from here we are in DPE again
[2016-06-23 12:17:40] ayy_lmao : and use it for fund
[2016-06-23 12:17:41] rapidtrades : yeah they do, they just add a small buffer
[2016-06-23 12:17:53] rapidtrades : around 1.2%
[2016-06-23 12:18:15] ayy_lmao : someone call lin
[2016-06-23 12:18:23] ayy_lmao : need to clear this shit
[2016-06-23 12:18:44] rapidtrades : noone has that kind of money
[2016-06-23 12:18:54] aethlios : BitMEX_Wally: if we have dpe again today, is this for open positions for current 24h session only??
[2016-06-23 12:18:57] rapidtrades : maybe if finex goes higher
[2016-06-23 12:19:00] Avalanche : so If I understoon correctly, I had to pay for someone else mistake or what ?
[2016-06-23 12:19:05] rapidtrades : aethlios: yes
[2016-06-23 12:19:09] john : so building up a short position now on bitmex is kind of double extra risky...because if there isnt gonna be uptick in market your profit will get dpe'd for sure
[2016-06-23 12:19:11] rapidtrades : Avalanche: yes
[2016-06-23 12:19:19] ayy_lmao : yes because bitmex gave you fake bitcoins to trade with and cant cover
[2016-06-23 12:19:29] JohnBoeg : No, it's all in the rules
[2016-06-23 12:19:35] aethlios : rapidtrades: I see in account that my profit from previous session is pending.
[2016-06-23 12:19:38] BitMEX_Wally : aethlios: Yes, only net profit on XBTUSD this 24 hour session
[2016-06-23 12:19:48] Avalanche : rapidtrades: does it say anywere on the site about that ?
[2016-06-23 12:20:05] rapidtrades : ^ support right there, can confirm
[2016-06-23 12:20:19] BitMEX_Wally : aethlios: That's the next rebalance, the date is in the future. Basically your unrealisedPNL so far
[2016-06-23 12:20:54] Avalanche : I made a good call going short from 660 and closed at 600
[2016-06-23 12:21:04] Avalanche : and now only got like 1/3 of the profits
[2016-06-23 12:21:13] ayy_lmao : sucks to be on the right side of the trade!
[2016-06-23 12:21:17] aethlios : BitMEX_Wally: ok, but that trader with dpe was 40% of open positions, this is the problem. is he a MM??
[2016-06-23 12:21:48] rapidtrades : yeah is he? mm shouldn't be allowed to F*ck us over
[2016-06-23 12:22:01] rapidtrades : *grabs pitchfork
[2016-06-23 12:22:26] JohnBoeg : That's the only real problem, somone owning half the open interest. @Avelanche: you could have known this was a possibility. It's all in the rules and basically the only way to make a product like this work.
[2016-06-23 12:22:45] BitMEX_Wally : It wasn't a market maker
[2016-06-23 12:22:53] aethlios : rapidtrades: MMs should be recuired to have adequate margin so not to use minimal margin to close positions. It looks to me this is a MM.
[2016-06-23 12:22:54] ayy_lmao : pleb confirmed
[2016-06-23 12:22:54] JohnBoeg : (Just so you know, this cost me way more, but I knew it was possible)
[2016-06-23 12:22:59] rapidtrades : if u can't restrain ur mm from DPE-ing us, maybe limit per account
[2016-06-23 12:23:03] BitMEX_Wally : We are going to add position limits to reduce this problem
[2016-06-23 12:23:13] rapidtrades : tnx
[2016-06-23 12:23:28] JohnBoeg : @BitMEX_Wally : Won't people just open more accounts?
[2016-06-23 12:23:31] BitMEX_Wally : And if you want a higher limit then we reduce your leverage and increase your maintenance margin
[2016-06-23 12:23:43] BitMEX_Wally : JohnBoeg: That's fine, because then the position will be split up with different liquidation prices
[2016-06-23 12:24:02] JohnBoeg : BitMEX_Wally: Not necessarily
[2016-06-23 12:25:16] rapidtrades : if the limit is low, it will become tedious to manage 5-10 accounts
[2016-06-23 12:25:20] JohnBoeg : BitMEX_Wally: another option to consider is incremental liquidations
[2016-06-23 12:25:33] rapidtrades : ofc i don't run bots....that could be trivial for them to do wih API
[2016-06-23 12:25:35] JohnBoeg : rapidtrades: Yeah, probably gamblers anyway
[2016-06-23 12:26:03] Avalanche : So I better move to some other exchange, because I got screwed for 5btc, because I made a good call.
[2016-06-23 12:26:22] JohnBoeg : Not screwed, other exchanges have similar systems
[2016-06-23 12:26:31] john : if you dont need 50x leverage....sure better do on other exchange
[2016-06-23 12:26:35] rapidtrades : not spot exchanges no
[2016-06-23 12:26:56] BitMEX_Wally : If you are short you also earn funding
[2016-06-23 12:27:01] BitMEX_Wally : Funding: 0.5192% in 8 hours
[2016-06-23 12:27:07] rapidtrades : gee thanks
[2016-06-23 12:27:55] ayy_lmao : Avalanche: okcoin
[2016-06-23 12:28:14] rapidtrades : i would advise against okc, market seems very manipulated
[2016-06-23 12:28:37] john : so what is the problem with that?
[2016-06-23 12:29:08] john : as long as their index is honest and there are no clawbacks...
[2016-06-23 12:29:30] rapidtrades : there are no clawbacks because they manipulate the market
[2016-06-23 12:29:34] ayy_lmao : they dont have large clawbacks
[2016-06-23 12:29:47] rapidtrades : they seem to run bots to clear large liquidation orders
[2016-06-23 12:29:48] ayy_lmao : they liquidate you on market price last i remember
[2016-06-23 12:29:58] ayy_lmao : no such thing as a mark price there
[2016-06-23 12:29:59] rapidtrades : nope they also add small buffer
[2016-06-23 12:30:21] ayy_lmao : i didnt mean market order
[2016-06-23 12:30:28] rapidtrades : mark price can work in ur favor if ur long for example
[2016-06-23 12:30:51] john : mark price = manipulation
[2016-06-23 12:30:58] Avalanche : I see nothing going into my favor
[2016-06-23 12:30:59] mbaril : Avalanche: the DPE was around 28% its impossible you get 5 btc out of 10. Check your calculation
[2016-06-23 12:31:13] rapidtrades : support says it was 22%
[2016-06-23 12:31:18] Avalanche : mbaril: I'm just doing that
[2016-06-23 12:31:26] rapidtrades : still very high but not 50%
[2016-06-23 12:31:36] ayy_lmao : and u arent in any positions right?
[2016-06-23 12:31:45] john : lets pray for a big uptick....then all fine again
[2016-06-23 12:32:05] ayy_lmao : not trading until that liq is gone
[2016-06-23 12:32:19] gaoMex : 1215684?
[2016-06-23 12:32:20] rapidtrades : finex stopped going up when that liq showed up
[2016-06-23 12:32:27] gaoMex : Over 1 million?!
[2016-06-23 12:32:35] rapidtrades : yes
[2016-06-23 12:33:00] Avalanche : export to CSV is not working so it takes time
[2016-06-23 12:33:22] ayy_lmao : u shouldt have to do that to check the rebalance
[2016-06-23 12:33:33] rapidtrades : it should be a line item on ur trade hsotry
[2016-06-23 12:33:36] ayy_lmao : it should be on the very top
[2016-06-23 12:33:47] ayy_lmao : on 6-23
[2016-06-23 12:34:31] Avalanche : ayy_lmao: I'm looking at trade history
[2016-06-23 12:34:46] ayy_lmao : https://www.bitmex.com/app/wallet
[2016-06-23 12:34:51] ayy_lmao : there right?
[2016-06-23 12:35:30] ayy_lmao : check the 6-23 row, it should have a fee column
[2016-06-23 12:35:37] Avalanche : ayy_lmao: yeah there is 3.69+ and Fee of 1.03
[2016-06-23 12:35:37] ayy_lmao : with the fee for rebalance
[2016-06-23 12:36:01] ayy_lmao : where does the 3.69 show up under
[2016-06-23 12:36:17] Avalanche : amount
[2016-06-23 12:36:27] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 1000 @ 591.37
[2016-06-23 12:36:53] ayy_lmao : your dpe was only 1 btc, not sure how the other 4 btc got taken
[2016-06-23 12:37:15] john : can somebody explain me why estimated DPE is still 0%...with the liquidation order out of sight?
[2016-06-23 12:37:29] ayy_lmao : mark price
[2016-06-23 12:37:36] ayy_lmao : still above liq
[2016-06-23 12:37:57] john : ahhhh ..manipulation....
[2016-06-23 12:38:08] john : well...yeah...makes sense....
[2016-06-23 12:43:15] bobo : is the insurance fund empty now? or is it used for the current 1.000.000 in liquidation?
[2016-06-23 12:43:44] macios15 : china dumps
[2016-06-23 12:45:13] bobo : wally, sam?
[2016-06-23 12:45:51] rapidtrades : i just switched to fixed margin....that amount is now locked and can not be withdrawn right?
[2016-06-23 12:46:07] luckynuke : doom
[2016-06-23 12:46:15] rapidtrades : don't want to get accidently LIQed with withdrawal
[2016-06-23 12:46:36] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 25550 @ 587.56 **MEGA-REKT** :boom:
[2016-06-23 12:46:54] arbitrage001 : oohh noooe
[2016-06-23 12:47:01] john : kijk...nu staan we al weer op DPE
[2016-06-23 12:47:07] arbitrage001 : another huge dpe for shorty
[2016-06-23 12:47:08] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 234700 @ 586.26 **REKTosaurus** :slot_machine: :moneybag: :fire:
[2016-06-23 12:47:31] luckynuke : reeekt
[2016-06-23 12:48:12] subjective : going to be so many rekt with this adjustment..
[2016-06-23 12:48:25] subjective : wipe out most of my profits already now negative.
[2016-06-23 12:48:36] Skitrx : whats up with bitstamp?
[2016-06-23 12:48:47] rapidtrades : can i use lower fee then the recommended 0.0005
[2016-06-23 12:49:07] macios15 : bitstamp gox 2
[2016-06-23 12:49:15] ayy_lmao : stamp is 579
[2016-06-23 12:49:32] Skitrx : oh bitcoinwisdom api must be broke
[2016-06-23 12:49:46] ayy_lmao : https://cryptowat.ch/bitstamp/btcusd
[2016-06-23 12:53:27] btcccccc : Hello
[2016-06-23 12:53:27] macios15 : buy that 1,2mln and get rekt again like that 200k lamfo
[2016-06-23 12:53:55] Mm bot : heart beats with every green bar
[2016-06-23 12:54:06] arbitrage001 : high leverage is a problem
[2016-06-23 12:54:12] Avalanche : So I made a calculation, will need some explanation from bitmex
[2016-06-23 12:54:16] btcccccc : I have a question at the last rebalance a rather big fee was taken out of my account.
[2016-06-23 12:54:37] btcccccc : In the fee column something seems wrong.
[2016-06-23 12:54:49] john : thas was socialised loss from bankrupt parties of last 24h trading....
[2016-06-23 12:55:01] john : winners share those losses...i had also 7btc fee....
[2016-06-23 12:55:04] bobo : welcome to bitmex, welcome to hell
[2016-06-23 12:55:05] ayy_lmao : does it add up to 20% of your profit
[2016-06-23 12:55:08] macios15 : i think we slowly head 3000-3100
[2016-06-23 12:55:09] bobo : :)
[2016-06-23 12:55:11] ayy_lmao : if not then u might be right
[2016-06-23 12:55:17] btcccccc : ohh damn
[2016-06-23 12:55:24] btcccccc : thats a crazy amount
[2016-06-23 12:55:34] BitMEX_Wally : Please email support@bitmex.com if you have a question regarding your account
[2016-06-23 12:57:19] btcccccc : It seems more then 20% of the rebalance that I got
[2016-06-23 12:57:28] btcccccc : Is that correct?
[2016-06-23 12:57:34] BitMEX_Wally : btcccccc: The amount shown is after the fee has been taken
[2016-06-23 12:58:02] rapidtrades : lol brutal
[2016-06-23 12:58:37] btcccccc : thanks
[2016-06-23 12:58:39] Avalanche : I went short for 34810$ at 56.67XBT, covered that short for 52.52XBT and another went long for 18451$ for 30.48XBT covered that for 30.81XBT, so all in all 4.48XBT clean profit just for that, not to include Index profits
[2016-06-23 12:58:46] btcccccc : from now on water and dry bread for me
[2016-06-23 12:59:13] Avalanche : and at rebalance I got 3.69xbt profit
[2016-06-23 12:59:52] ayy_lmao : yah that makes sense
[2016-06-23 12:59:57] ayy_lmao : 20% fee for dpe
[2016-06-23 13:00:18] rapidtrades : finex time to leave china behind again
[2016-06-23 13:00:27] rapidtrades : they're dragging us down maaan...lietrally
[2016-06-23 13:00:47] ayy_lmao : bunch of crackheads
[2016-06-23 13:00:53] Avalanche : ayy_lmao: shouldnt it be the 4.48xbt + idnex profit for around 5xbt also ?
[2016-06-23 13:01:22] ayy_lmao : index profits? you mean funding?
[2016-06-23 13:01:34] macios15 : see you at $500
[2016-06-23 13:02:08] rapidtrades : yeah not gonna happen
[2016-06-23 13:02:09] bobo : rapidtrades: not literaly.. figuratively
[2016-06-23 13:02:11] xzsd : macios15: cya
[2016-06-23 13:02:13] Avalanche : ayy_lmao: I mean DPE
[2016-06-23 13:02:21] rapidtrades : c @bobo literally
[2016-06-23 13:02:24] bobo : i don't see any chinese guy hanging on your pants
[2016-06-23 13:02:31] bobo : show me a photo
[2016-06-23 13:02:36] rapidtrades : bobo don't be a dick
[2016-06-23 13:02:38] Avalanche : ayy_lmao: don't know what I mean to be honest
[2016-06-23 13:02:47] ayy_lmao : lol
[2016-06-23 13:02:56] BitMEX_Wally : Avalanche: Your gross profit was 4.7303498 XBT including funding, but you don't pay DPE on funding profits
[2016-06-23 13:03:51] rapidtrades : BitMEX_Wally: are withdrawals sent
[2016-06-23 13:04:26] subjective : when is June 24 BTC going to finish?
[2016-06-23 13:04:41] rapidtrades : tomorrow
[2016-06-23 13:04:47] BitMEX_Wally : rapidtrades: They are being processed manually right now
[2016-06-23 13:04:59] rapidtrades : cool
[2016-06-23 13:05:16] Skitrx : 1.16m wow
[2016-06-23 13:09:31] luckynuke : BitMEX_Wally: when is next payout ?
[2016-06-23 13:12:20] arbitrage001 : positive funding means long will get interest?
[2016-06-23 13:13:26] ayy_lmao : shorts
[2016-06-23 13:14:46] luckynuke : how much are the interest for shorts ?
[2016-06-23 13:14:53] BitMEX_Wally : luckynuke: funding is paid out every 8 hours, profit is unlocked every 24 hours
[2016-06-23 13:15:01] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 85 @ 582.17
[2016-06-23 13:15:03] ayy_lmao : longs pay 0.5, shorts get 0.5
[2016-06-23 13:15:16] ayy_lmao : if you click on more details it tells you
[2016-06-23 13:15:41] luckynuke : thanks
[2016-06-23 13:15:54] BitMEX_Wally : Funding: 0.5192% in 7 hours
[2016-06-23 13:15:57] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 601 @ 579.70
[2016-06-23 13:16:15] arbitrage001 : BitMEX_Wally: short will get, right?
[2016-06-23 13:16:27] Avalanche : BitMEX_Wally: Ok, and about my situation, what's about DPE profits ?If I remember I was like 4.xxXBT in profit for that also
[2016-06-23 13:16:42] ayy_lmao : dpe isnt profit
[2016-06-23 13:16:55] ayy_lmao : thats a fee they take from you
[2016-06-23 13:17:10] Avalanche : hmm
[2016-06-23 13:17:13] mbaril : shit DPE to 16%
[2016-06-23 13:17:18] ayy_lmao : you must mean something else
[2016-06-23 13:17:37] xzsd : 16% of profit only fee?
[2016-06-23 13:17:44] ayy_lmao : yes
[2016-06-23 13:17:53] ayy_lmao : taken from profits you made since last rebalance
[2016-06-23 13:17:59] ayy_lmao : not your wallet
[2016-06-23 13:18:00] xzsd : i guess i should receive 16% of my loss too! hahaha
[2016-06-23 13:18:26] btcccccc : I see the fee of the next rebalance is starting to increase does this mean again today we will have DPE?
[2016-06-23 13:18:28] ayy_lmao : no, if you make 1 btc in profit and dpe is 20%, you will only get 0.8 btc
[2016-06-23 13:18:35] BitMEX_Wally : Avalanche: Your gross profit was 4.7303498 XBT and this was adjusted down by 22%
[2016-06-23 13:19:10] Avalanche : BitMEX_Wally: ok
[2016-06-23 13:19:33] xzsd : ayy_lmao: i understod, yu
[2016-06-23 13:19:37] xzsd : ty*
[2016-06-23 13:21:41] blurrrrrp : BitMEX_Wally: How can only 24 btc is taken from the Insurance fund? And not 48?
[2016-06-23 13:22:39] Avalanche : ayy_lmao: so what's for witheld profit or DPE in wallet page represented as real profit
[2016-06-23 13:23:17] Avalanche : and not like DPE comision or something
[2016-06-23 13:23:40] ayy_lmao : dont know, only bitmex team can answer that
[2016-06-23 13:23:55] Avalanche : ayy_lmao: it's confusing
[2016-06-23 13:24:02] BitMEX_Wally : DPE is unrealised until rebalance
[2016-06-23 13:24:17] BitMEX_Wally : so we show your full profit and then withhold 100% of it
[2016-06-23 13:24:45] BitMEX_Wally : then after rebalance release 88% (if the ajustment was 22%)
[2016-06-23 13:25:05] JohnBoeg : 78
[2016-06-23 13:25:07] blurrrrrp : 78
[2016-06-23 13:25:08] xzsd : its DPE daily or just once
[2016-06-23 13:25:15] xzsd : 78?
[2016-06-23 13:25:17] BitMEX_Wally : Sorry 78
[2016-06-23 13:25:34] Avalanche : BitMEX_Wally: my DPE was like 4+ in profit, and after rebalance i got nothing and had to pay 22%
[2016-06-23 13:25:39] Avalanche : I don't get that part
[2016-06-23 13:26:07] ayy_lmao : do you mean withheld profit?
[2016-06-23 13:26:12] Avalanche : yes
[2016-06-23 13:26:15] ayy_lmao : oh
[2016-06-23 13:26:21] ayy_lmao : thats included in your wallet balance
[2016-06-23 13:26:46] ayy_lmao : withheld profit just shows how much of your wallet balance in unavailable
[2016-06-23 13:26:52] ayy_lmao : they arent too different profits
[2016-06-23 13:27:06] Avalanche : too confusing
[2016-06-23 13:27:49] ayy_lmao : if my wallet balance says 10 btc, and my withheld profit shows 5 btc, that means 5 btc of my wallet is not accessible until re balance
[2016-06-23 13:28:01] BitMEX_Wally : Avalanche: you paid 22% and the remaining 78% was paid into your wallet as a cash rebalance
[2016-06-23 13:28:01] ayy_lmao : it doesnt mean you have 15 btc if thats what you mean
[2016-06-23 13:28:31] Avalanche : ayy_lmao: @BitMEX_Wally ok
[2016-06-23 13:28:43] BitMEX_Wally : After rebalance your withheld profit went to 0
[2016-06-23 13:28:53] Avalanche : BitMEX_Wally: yes
[2016-06-23 13:31:30] Avalanche : so u make money from DPE just by holding your position until the next rebalance in every 8h
[2016-06-23 13:32:13] Avalanche : right now if you go long you will get 0.5%
[2016-06-23 13:32:15] Avalanche : right ?
[2016-06-23 13:32:16] ayy_lmao : from funding
[2016-06-23 13:32:21] ayy_lmao : doe and funding are different
[2016-06-23 13:32:24] ayy_lmao : dpe*
[2016-06-23 13:32:41] justinlooking : Avalanche: no positive funding rate pays shorts
[2016-06-23 13:32:51] ayy_lmao : dpe only happens when there is an unfilled liquidation on the orderbook, funding is the fee charged to borrow btc
[2016-06-23 13:33:01] ayy_lmao : you cant profit from dpe
[2016-06-23 13:33:09] rapidtrades : afaik DPE was there when u entered the trade
[2016-06-23 13:33:09] ayy_lmao : you can from funding
[2016-06-23 13:33:11] Avalanche : justinlooking: yes, my mistake
[2016-06-23 13:33:25] rapidtrades : so u bare some responsibilty here
[2016-06-23 13:33:35] rapidtrades : when did it hit? around 624 or smth
[2016-06-23 13:34:20] rapidtrades : then u entered long knowing DPE was there
[2016-06-23 13:34:45] rapidtrades : well not knowing but u should've known...its right there in %
[2016-06-23 13:35:19] rapidtrades : still 90% of the blame for this unfair system is with bitmex and other futures operators
[2016-06-23 13:35:32] Avalanche : ayy_lmao: tnx for you help
[2016-06-23 13:35:40] ayy_lmao : np
[2016-06-23 13:35:55] Avalanche : I still don't get it why keep it soo confusing
[2016-06-23 13:36:07] Avalanche : with so many variables
[2016-06-23 13:36:30] Avalanche : and techical terms
[2016-06-23 13:36:45] rapidtrades : its a derivative exchange....trade small until u learn how it works
[2016-06-23 13:37:03] rapidtrades : well not exchange but whatever its called
[2016-06-23 13:37:28] rapidtrades : Avalanche: use spot for ur big trades and trade small here until u get it....would be my advice
[2016-06-23 13:37:33] arbitrage001 : baby
[2016-06-23 13:37:37] arbitrage001 : dpdpe clear
[2016-06-23 13:37:44] arbitrage001 : trading time
[2016-06-23 13:37:51] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 1025 @ 588.76
[2016-06-23 13:37:52] rapidtrades : woah..missed that
[2016-06-23 13:38:22] ayy_lmao : wow
[2016-06-23 13:38:24] rapidtrades : he took 800k in one slice
[2016-06-23 13:38:26] Avalanche : rapidtrades: yeah, I come from normal exchanges and FX
[2016-06-23 13:38:38] justinlooking : rapid think i saw him bid over by 1.1m then pulled as well,
[2016-06-23 13:38:47] justinlooking : proper limits
[2016-06-23 13:38:48] xzsd : was fake
[2016-06-23 13:39:08] aethlios : rapidtrades: I guess was the same person who had the dpe
[2016-06-23 13:39:55] rapidtrades : and his name was sleger!
[2016-06-23 13:40:18] ayy_lmao : lmao
[2016-06-23 13:40:42] aethlios : BitMEX_Wally: Wally if the buyer was the same person who had the dpe, then you should do something.
[2016-06-23 13:40:48] Avalanche : So just to make it clear, Unrealised PNL (ROE % ) do you ro can you make profits from that or ?
[2016-06-23 13:40:51] ayy_lmao : y
[2016-06-23 13:41:01] JohnBoeg : BitMEX_Wally: Wally if the buyer was the same person who had the dpe, then you should do something. This is true
[2016-06-23 13:41:09] ayy_lmao : why cant he send more bitcoin here to buy it
[2016-06-23 13:41:09] rapidtrades : +1
[2016-06-23 13:41:33] rapidtrades : cos we got DPed to bring the liq down and he then bought it up @ayy_lmao
[2016-06-23 13:41:39] j8 : do something? do what? its not against the rules
[2016-06-23 13:41:50] rapidtrades : he basically got a 1.2 mil position with no slippage
[2016-06-23 13:42:03] ayy_lmao : after he lost 50 btc
[2016-06-23 13:42:23] rapidtrades : u don't know if he lost anything
[2016-06-23 13:42:37] JohnBoeg : That's true, but he's abusing the liquidation system then.