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[2016-06-23 06:07:20] mjmj83 : I don't think the Bitcoiners in China even are aware of a Brexit.
[2016-06-23 06:08:43] aethlios : mjmj83: after the assassination of Jo Cox, the rally stopped, then rumors that bremain wins happened and whales started to unload, so didn't wait for first results. If they are wrong they will get slaughtered.
[2016-06-23 06:10:02] aethlios : mjmj83: it is the whales, they want a story to pump, halving and brexit was a good story to sell to small traders.
[2016-06-23 06:14:19] mjmj83 : aethlios: nice theory
[2016-06-23 06:15:57] Rado : Not bouncing much yet
[2016-06-23 06:17:24] Rado : Okc down?
[2016-06-23 06:19:37] Tetsuo : anyone sellin here is a moron
[2016-06-23 06:20:36] mjmj83 : Rado: ikc working fine here
[2016-06-23 06:21:05] mjmj83 : In the meantime.. can anyone explain me why OKC is called the woodchipper? I did see the meme image, but I don't understand.
[2016-06-23 06:21:09] XBTXBTXBT : these charts are fantastic
[2016-06-23 06:25:31] Rado : Mjmj83 okc usd or cny.
[2016-06-23 06:25:35] Rado : .
[2016-06-23 06:25:40] Rado : ?
[2016-06-23 06:26:17] BitMEX_Arthur : http://i.imgur.com/t0Pw9AN.png
[2016-06-23 06:26:27] BitMEX_Arthur : That's where the meme is from
[2016-06-23 06:26:35] BitMEX_Arthur : https://www.reddit.com/r/BitcoinMarkets/comments/33eepx/okcoin_futures_largest_contract_holder_margin/
[2016-06-23 06:26:38] BitMEX_Arthur : There is the reddit thread
[2016-06-23 06:27:51] Rado : Is the DPE going to be reduced if the price increases?
[2016-06-23 06:27:59] BitMEX_Arthur : Rado: yes
[2016-06-23 06:28:01] mjmj83 : Rado: yes
[2016-06-23 06:28:07] mjmj83 : PLEAS BUY US OUT OF HERE RADO! :)
[2016-06-23 06:28:55] Rado : I can only buy 2000 btc
[2016-06-23 06:30:12] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 200 @ 578.68
[2016-06-23 06:37:52] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 45 @ 581.25
[2016-06-23 06:39:52] ayy_lmao : where is that huge liq order at
[2016-06-23 06:39:55] ayy_lmao : how far we need to go
[2016-06-23 06:40:37] micmix : https://www.bitmex.com/api/v1/liquidation
[2016-06-23 06:41:00] ayy_lmao : thx
[2016-06-23 06:41:17] ayy_lmao : prob not gonna get hit by rebalance
[2016-06-23 06:41:18] ayy_lmao : rp
[2016-06-23 06:41:20] ayy_lmao : rip
[2016-06-23 06:43:45] aethlios : let's kill dpe
[2016-06-23 06:45:56] Rado : Why not
[2016-06-23 06:48:35] QuantFocus : ayy_lmao: 618 i believe
[2016-06-23 06:48:48] mjmj83 : QuantFocus: 624
[2016-06-23 06:48:51] mjmj83 : see the api
[2016-06-23 06:48:57] QuantFocus : yea, i see it now
[2016-06-23 06:49:05] QuantFocus : it moved up...pretty sure it was 618 before
[2016-06-23 06:50:31] Rado : Here we have 200k
[2016-06-23 06:50:50] Rado : Gone
[2016-06-23 06:50:57] ayy_lmao : i cant wait to get dpe'd
[2016-06-23 06:51:09] ayy_lmao : what about you guys
[2016-06-23 06:51:30] Skitrx : so it's expected to adjust upwards by 22.5%?
[2016-06-23 06:51:33] QuantFocus : man, i got screwed by 50 cents on margin call
[2016-06-23 06:51:47] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 6000 @ 591.60
[2016-06-23 06:51:53] QuantFocus : with btc on deposit that hadn't cleared
[2016-06-23 06:53:46] elmorte : Rado: good call on 580 last night btw
[2016-06-23 06:54:04] Rado : Thanks
[2016-06-23 06:55:16] QuantFocus : Skitrx: positions in the money will be reduced by DPE amount
[2016-06-23 06:55:32] QuantFocus : profit * (1-DPE) = realized
[2016-06-23 06:55:41] ayy_lmao : 20
[2016-06-23 06:55:44] ayy_lmao : %
[2016-06-23 06:55:59] Skitrx : ah I see, thanks
[2016-06-23 07:17:04] xzsd : i get my first call =o
[2016-06-23 07:17:33] xzsd : fish
[2016-06-23 07:18:01] rapidtrades : guys don't be scared, a little DPE never hurt nobody
[2016-06-23 07:20:10] blurrrrrp : rapidtrades: haha
[2016-06-23 07:20:49] aethlios : pound 0.4% up
[2016-06-23 07:20:53] ayy_lmao : lol im about to pay 0.6 in dpe, hbu?
[2016-06-23 07:21:05] rapidtrades : aethlios: pls stop
[2016-06-23 07:21:50] BitMEX_Arthur : Straw poll, Brexit or Bremain?
[2016-06-23 07:22:16] rapidtrades : bremain but want brexit
[2016-06-23 07:22:18] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 3100 @ 594.17
[2016-06-23 07:22:49] rapidtrades : also it won't affect the price of bitcoin aside from a kneejerk reaction
[2016-06-23 07:23:57] rapidtrades : okc now wrecking shorts
[2016-06-23 07:24:55] rapidtrades : BitMEX_Arthur: hey shouldn't the buy and sell LIQs nullify themselves
[2016-06-23 07:25:22] rapidtrades : there's no liqs on both sides
[2016-06-23 07:25:29] BitMEX_Arthur : They will at rebalancing
[2016-06-23 07:25:42] rapidtrades : ah ok cool
[2016-06-23 07:28:37] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 100 @ 598.92
[2016-06-23 07:28:55] rapidtrades : so no news out of China why they freaked out like lil girls last night?
[2016-06-23 07:33:32] xzsd : idk
[2016-06-23 07:35:17] Tetsuo : rapidtrades: i think china was scared of the brexit
[2016-06-23 07:36:11] aethlios : rapidtrades: finex okcoin futures 2 usd spread now.
[2016-06-23 07:36:32] xzsd : I think this is all articuled by a group of 10 ppl
[2016-06-23 07:37:00] xzsd : or less ppl
[2016-06-23 07:37:32] aethlios : xzsd: I sure they are not older than 25
[2016-06-23 07:39:09] Tetsuo : reptilians?
[2016-06-23 07:40:14] boolander : will page david icke for comment
[2016-06-23 07:40:34] boolander : hope he's wearing his beeper today
[2016-06-23 07:42:53] aethlios : silver up 1.25%
[2016-06-23 07:47:11] boolander : can we trade silver here?
[2016-06-23 07:47:23] aethlios : boolander: no
[2016-06-23 07:47:35] boolander : you mean, not yet?
[2016-06-23 07:48:02] aethlios : boolander: who knows what the future brings...
[2016-06-23 07:48:34] boolander : ;-)
[2016-06-23 07:54:34] xzsd : aethlios: i agree. new stomachs XD
[2016-06-23 08:38:51] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 100 @ 0.02187
[2016-06-23 08:43:02] solesituation : what a dumb intereface
[2016-06-23 08:43:20] solesituation : had a close position which did not activate
[2016-06-23 08:43:52] Mm bot : Hey guys just stared the MM bot :)
[2016-06-23 08:45:35] Mm bot : should I set it to a high leverage instead of cross ?
[2016-06-23 08:46:22] Mm bot : so a few small bad trade can liquid instead of affect the balance when market crash/pump 10% again
[2016-06-23 08:47:02] BitMEX_Arthur : I would suggest using cross
[2016-06-23 08:47:06] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBJ24H`: Sell 1 @ 62084.0 :punch: :whale:
[2016-06-23 08:48:35] Mm bot : thx author, do you guys run that script internally? I know I need to tune it over time with more tests. I just want to check how well default setting works
[2016-06-23 09:00:45] ayy_lmao : does the current dpe % have insurance fund applied or is that without the insurance fund
[2016-06-23 09:03:36] BitMEX_Arthur : ayy_lmao: all available funds have been applied
[2016-06-23 09:09:14] JohnBoeg : It might be worth investigating more robust systems to prevent this from happening in the future? For instance liquidating positions a little earlier, or stepwise liquidation?
[2016-06-23 09:09:36] macios15 : what was the highest dpe ever
[2016-06-23 09:10:26] JohnBoeg : This way we actually favor the people who let their positions be liquidated, which seems not very desirable.
[2016-06-23 09:10:28] justinlooking : macios15: i think about 45% but couldn't swear to it
[2016-06-23 09:10:29] mjmj83 : I have seen 32%, but I think it was higher.
[2016-06-23 09:10:35] ayy_lmao : lmao
[2016-06-23 09:11:25] micmix : https://www.bitmex.com/app/settlementHistory and check Adjustment Rate to see DPE
[2016-06-23 09:14:39] ayy_lmao : well this will be brutal, not enough time for us to bounce higher to clear
[2016-06-23 09:17:19] JohnBoeg : I'm short, but almost rooting for the price to go UP :-)
[2016-06-23 09:19:01] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBJ24H`: Sell 1 @ 61790.0 :punch: :whale:
[2016-06-23 09:19:35] ayy_lmao : rekt bot is best bot
[2016-06-23 09:22:56] micmix : it's working overtime lately
[2016-06-23 09:27:02] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTM16`: Sell 35 @ 582.47
[2016-06-23 09:27:14] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 5253 @ 582.39
[2016-06-23 09:27:35] ayy_lmao : china pls
[2016-06-23 09:27:36] ayy_lmao : no more dpe
[2016-06-23 09:27:53] ayy_lmao : china pls
[2016-06-23 09:27:59] Tetsuo : goin for 500 tonight
[2016-06-23 09:29:06] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBJ24H`: Sell 7500 @ 61075.0
[2016-06-23 09:30:58] xzsd : /\ what?
[2016-06-23 09:31:10] xzsd : ah XBJ.
[2016-06-23 09:31:12] ayy_lmao : its xbt / j
[2016-06-23 09:31:21] xzsd : i saw after
[2016-06-23 09:31:22] xzsd : xD
[2016-06-23 09:32:56] Tetsuo : 2000BTC buy wall@btc-e
[2016-06-23 09:33:18] ayy_lmao : lol wut
[2016-06-23 09:33:29] asdfman : cant see it
[2016-06-23 09:33:58] Tetsuo : and it´s gone
[2016-06-23 09:34:45] xzsd : filled or cancelled?
[2016-06-23 09:36:09] Tetsuo : cancelled
[2016-06-23 09:36:31] macios15 : dpe affects witheld profit?
[2016-06-23 09:36:41] ayy_lmao : yeah
[2016-06-23 09:37:12] ayy_lmao : 25% of ur profit will be used to socialize losses at current rate
[2016-06-23 09:37:25] asdfman : here?
[2016-06-23 09:37:41] ayy_lmao : on xbt/usd
[2016-06-23 09:37:44] macios15 : and dpe clears on funding or no?
[2016-06-23 09:37:52] ayy_lmao : on rebalance
[2016-06-23 09:38:00] ayy_lmao : in like 3 hours
[2016-06-23 09:38:03] asdfman : so not xbtm16?
[2016-06-23 09:38:15] ayy_lmao : not unless xbt16 has dpe
[2016-06-23 09:38:22] BitMEX_Wally : XBTM16 will rebalance Friday 12:00 UTC
[2016-06-23 09:38:57] asdfman : ok
[2016-06-23 09:39:04] BitMEX_Wally : Only XBTUSD has DPE, and only those with net profit on XBTUSD In the last 24 hours will be affected
[2016-06-23 09:39:07] asdfman : where can i read about dpe?
[2016-06-23 09:39:17] BitMEX_Wally : https://www.bitmex.com/app/dynamicProfitEqualisation
[2016-06-23 09:39:57] asdfman : thanks
[2016-06-23 09:41:04] elmorte : Tetsuo: spot or margin?
[2016-06-23 09:44:04] elmorte : micmix: what's the link for the chat emoticons again?
[2016-06-23 09:44:33] micmix : http://www.emoji-cheat-sheet.com/
[2016-06-23 09:45:55] elmorte : cheers, sorry to :bug: ya
[2016-06-23 09:46:12] elmorte : not quite the bug I imagined :)
[2016-06-23 09:54:14] tscha : justinlooking: have you voted already?
[2016-06-23 09:54:45] justinlooking : na am going after work
[2016-06-23 09:55:01] tscha : pretty cool that you can vote until 23:00
[2016-06-23 10:03:03] ayy_lmao : thank you china
[2016-06-23 10:04:35] macios15 : kill the dpe
[2016-06-23 10:14:47] justinlooking : now 6/1 against for leave on betfair
[2016-06-23 10:16:28] elmorte : For every 7 ppl, 6 vote remain?
[2016-06-23 10:21:22] rapidtrades : guys
[2016-06-23 10:23:00] rapidtrades : if ur not trading GBP or EUR assets, pls stop the brexit talk
[2016-06-23 10:23:13] rapidtrades : its embarrassing
[2016-06-23 10:23:36] justinlooking : not sure is as black and white as that elmorte
[2016-06-23 10:23:42] elmorte : sorry you feel that way, I don't think pommies are embarrassing...
[2016-06-23 10:24:12] boolander : cup o' tea
[2016-06-23 10:24:25] elmorte : isn't that what 6/1 means @justinlooking ?
[2016-06-23 10:25:26] rapidtrades : NO those are betting odds
[2016-06-23 10:25:47] rapidtrades : it means odds for brexit now 16%
[2016-06-23 10:25:51] justinlooking : 6/1 against means bet of 1 wins 6, (and get 1 stake returned)
[2016-06-23 10:25:56] rapidtrades : or u bet 1 pound u get 6
[2016-06-23 10:28:26] elmorte : Thanks @justinlooking
[2016-06-23 10:31:17] rapidtrades : HOW ABOUT ME
[2016-06-23 10:31:18] rapidtrades : THANK U RAPID
[2016-06-23 10:31:31] newb : is there a place that i can get help
[2016-06-23 10:31:37] newb : like how to place a leveraged bitcoin buy
[2016-06-23 10:32:29] elmorte : rapidtrades: aww shu shu....didn't think you'd care
[2016-06-23 10:32:55] elmorte : Plus I'm not sure if it means odds are one in seven or one in six...but that's just being pedantic
[2016-06-23 10:35:36] rapidtrades : k
[2016-06-23 10:36:07] rapidtrades : well there's a major risk on rally right on in cable
[2016-06-23 10:36:14] rapidtrades : smaller rally in EUR
[2016-06-23 10:36:19] rapidtrades : is there a dump in bitcoin?
[2016-06-23 10:36:22] rapidtrades : NO
[2016-06-23 10:36:30] rapidtrades : case closed, brexit is bullshit
[2016-06-23 10:36:48] elmorte : what on in cable?
[2016-06-23 10:36:58] rapidtrades : pound is up 240 pips
[2016-06-23 10:37:03] rapidtrades : close to 2% today
[2016-06-23 10:37:31] rapidtrades : euro close to 1%
[2016-06-23 10:38:06] elmorte : so should I close my losing long? Only 3 XBT in red...
[2016-06-23 10:38:49] rapidtrades : i think brexit will have 0 longterm impact....do what u want
[2016-06-23 10:39:06] elmorte : longterm duh...
[2016-06-23 10:39:30] rapidtrades : longterm is in more then 1 day
[2016-06-23 10:39:36] newb : how do i buy btc with leverage
[2016-06-23 10:39:56] rapidtrades : any dump will be quickly reversed in day or two..prolly hours
[2016-06-23 10:40:14] Mm bot : Are there like a spread chart to look at XBTUSD?
[2016-06-23 10:40:24] elmorte : My liqn price is 441....hopefully will make it thru
[2016-06-23 10:41:49] elmorte : But tomorrow is Friday...and @Bitmex_Wally's probably gonna hit the piss...
[2016-06-23 10:42:04] elmorte : I need at least 200$ buffer
[2016-06-23 10:49:00] justinlooking : wtf happened there
[2016-06-23 10:51:33] wurstgelee : where?
[2016-06-23 10:53:24] justinlooking : few mins ago xbtusd, recent trades
[2016-06-23 10:53:42] justinlooking : swept from 587->607... just thin i guess
[2016-06-23 10:55:13] wurstgelee : probably
[2016-06-23 11:05:27] rapidtrades : don't panick
[2016-06-23 11:05:40] rapidtrades : alternatively, if short, panicK
[2016-06-23 11:08:03] rapidtrades : cmon finex leave these chiese effers behind
[2016-06-23 11:08:12] rapidtrades : LEAVE CHINA BEHIND
[2016-06-23 11:08:18] rapidtrades : AND BUILD A WALL AROUND IT
[2016-06-23 11:08:51] Mm bot : going to be epic soon..
[2016-06-23 11:08:56] ayy_lmao : AND MKAE CHINA PAY FOR IT
[2016-06-23 11:09:14] Mm bot : Bull market is bad for MM bots actually, ended up with lots of shorts as market spike up
[2016-06-23 11:09:19] rapidtrades : exactly ayy_lmoa...ur a f*Cking geninus
[2016-06-23 11:10:31] wurstgelee : Mm bot: bear market as well i figure. flat market should be best for u;)
[2016-06-23 11:10:35] rapidtrades : sry for my grammar, lag is too great
[2016-06-23 11:11:11] Mm bot : wurstgelee: yep, probably supervise the bot but entering some profit lock-in orders
[2016-06-23 11:12:06] Mm bot : Yep, if there is another 3 week bull run, it would kill the bot account
[2016-06-23 11:13:07] rapidtrades : cmon finex one last fomo for daddy
[2016-06-23 11:13:15] Mm bot : now, both 15min RSI/MACD points up.. would be good for this MM bot learning
[2016-06-23 11:13:50] Mm bot : find out when Daddy gotta step in to take some profit/stop lock-in orders.
[2016-06-23 11:15:02] rapidtrades : btc-e finex gap now down to $13 from over $60 last night
[2016-06-23 11:15:10] rapidtrades : free money for those who got in
[2016-06-23 11:15:36] gaoMex : So will the insurance fund be sufficient to cover the DPE?
[2016-06-23 11:15:44] rapidtrades : nope
[2016-06-23 11:16:20] rapidtrades : DPE usually signals the fund is gone
[2016-06-23 11:16:45] gaoMex : Don't think so
[2016-06-23 11:16:51] rapidtrades : k
[2016-06-23 11:16:56] gaoMex : DPE does not take into account insurance fund
[2016-06-23 11:16:58] rapidtrades : well page support
[2016-06-23 11:17:07] rapidtrades : mr. smarty pants
[2016-06-23 11:17:10] NukeLaloosh : btc-e safe? lots of dodgy reviews
[2016-06-23 11:17:28] rapidtrades : not rly safe, i only trade small % there
[2016-06-23 11:18:48] gaoMex : BitMEX_Wally: Does DPE take into account insurance fund?
[2016-06-23 11:19:01] justinlooking : gaoMex: yes
[2016-06-23 11:19:17] rapidtrades : hey ur not support
[2016-06-23 11:20:36] justinlooking : already been applied, think that liq was triggered at around 650, the ins fund has allowed it to move down to 62something
[2016-06-23 11:20:50] BitMEX_Wally : justinlooking: correct
[2016-06-23 11:21:03] gaoMex : that's shit
[2016-06-23 11:22:42] rapidtrades : emotions are high on this holy day of Brexit
[2016-06-23 11:23:51] rapidtrades : 600 hypeeeeeeeeeeeee
[2016-06-23 11:23:56] rapidtrades : go finex u bitch
[2016-06-23 11:26:03] Mm bot : All indicators points up from here :) Plus Brits are blessing BTC
[2016-06-23 11:26:22] luckynuke : vote for down to 520
[2016-06-23 11:26:56] Mm bot : well, u still hv time to short or buy.. what time is the result?
[2016-06-23 11:27:12] macios15 : Mm bot: exactly lake yesterday
[2016-06-23 11:27:20] macios15 : like*
[2016-06-23 11:27:27] ayy_lmao : what vote
[2016-06-23 11:28:03] rapidtrades : no vote, don't worry abut it
[2016-06-23 11:28:05] ayy_lmao : yah looks up
[2016-06-23 11:30:37] Mm bot : there will be some epic liquidation of shorts very soon
[2016-06-23 11:33:33] rapidtrades : cmon finex are u gonna break this or just sit in front of the door like a lil faaaaaag
[2016-06-23 11:35:20] arbitrage001 : lol
[2016-06-23 11:35:23] arbitrage001 : still 20% dpe
[2016-06-23 11:35:29] arbitrage001 : when is it going to clear
[2016-06-23 11:35:40] ayy_lmao : china gonna be gay and wait for new 4 hour
[2016-06-23 11:35:42] rapidtrades : could take a few days tbh
[2016-06-23 11:36:10] rapidtrades : it is 1.5 mil
[2016-06-23 11:36:18] NukeLaloosh : BitMEX_Wally: how do i place limit buys below my liq price?
[2016-06-23 11:36:30] ayy_lmao : that 12 hour is lol
[2016-06-23 11:36:34] ayy_lmao : full retrace
[2016-06-23 11:36:42] ayy_lmao : on that candle
[2016-06-23 11:36:57] rapidtrades : daily doesnt look bad either
[2016-06-23 11:37:25] arbitrage001 : dont think correction is over
[2016-06-23 11:37:52] ayy_lmao : if it isnt, rip bitcoin we are going to the core
[2016-06-23 11:38:19] rapidtrades : arbitrage001: don't be a Negative Nancy
[2016-06-23 11:38:30] arbitrage001 : rapidtrades: i am not
[2016-06-23 11:38:32] ayy_lmao : pump it china
[2016-06-23 11:38:38] arbitrage001 : i just checked the price all over exchanges
[2016-06-23 11:38:49] arbitrage001 : price in china still lower than finex
[2016-06-23 11:38:52] Mm bot : arbitrage001: should be over
[2016-06-23 11:39:01] arbitrage001 : so correction is not over
[2016-06-23 11:40:03] ayy_lmao : yah well it all depends on new 4 hr and 12 hr
[2016-06-23 11:40:07] ayy_lmao : so we will see
[2016-06-23 11:41:57] Mm bot : arbitrage001: it will consolidates for a week or something right?
[2016-06-23 11:42:12] luckynuke : doom
[2016-06-23 11:42:12] arbitrage001 : Mm bot: dont know
[2016-06-23 11:42:33] arbitrage001 : i only trade based on what i see now
[2016-06-23 11:42:40] arbitrage001 : now what i think will happen
[2016-06-23 11:42:51] arbitrage001 : not
[2016-06-23 11:50:51] NukeLaloosh : BitMEX_Wally: why won't it let me remove margin from a position that's only at 3.5X?
[2016-06-23 11:51:27] ayy_lmao : u on cross or fixed?
[2016-06-23 11:51:36] NukeLaloosh : fixed
[2016-06-23 11:51:46] ayy_lmao : no idea then
[2016-06-23 11:51:51] BitMEX_Wally : You can only remove margin that has been added
[2016-06-23 11:51:52] NukeLaloosh : i moved slider all the way out, no change
[2016-06-23 11:51:56] BitMEX_Wally : And you cannot submit a bid below your liquidation price
[2016-06-23 11:52:08] BitMEX_Wally : (if long)
[2016-06-23 11:52:14] NukeLaloosh : that second one needs to change
[2016-06-23 11:52:18] NukeLaloosh : yes long
[2016-06-23 11:53:01] BitMEX_Wally : When you are liquidated all orders in that contract are automatically canceled
[2016-06-23 11:53:09] BitMEX_Wally : So that bid would never be filled anyway
[2016-06-23 11:53:41] NukeLaloosh : if i get a fill right above my liq price, liq price goes down. that means i need to enter another one very quickly instead of relying on one on the book. and another reason, if i do get liqd, then i should be able to have an order on the book for a new position
[2016-06-23 11:55:32] ayy_lmao : brace yourselves boys, dpe is coming
[2016-06-23 11:58:31] john : what happens after DPE with openstanding liquidation order that was still there at 624 or so??
[2016-06-23 11:58:54] rapidtrades : they will put it at mark
[2016-06-23 11:59:04] rapidtrades : so around 595 ish?
[2016-06-23 11:59:15] BitMEX_Wally : Yes
[2016-06-23 11:59:20] john : and then its just hanging there hoping to be absorbed and if not again DPE?
[2016-06-23 11:59:31] rapidtrades : exactly
[2016-06-23 11:59:38] ayy_lmao : we can get charged twice?
[2016-06-23 11:59:39] ayy_lmao : wut
[2016-06-23 11:59:44] rapidtrades : yep
[2016-06-23 11:59:50] john : nice exchange
[2016-06-23 11:59:56] ayy_lmao : lmao
[2016-06-23 11:59:57] bobo : pfff
[2016-06-23 11:59:58] john : but exciting1
[2016-06-23 12:00:10] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 1505854 @ 591.34 **REKTosaurus** :slot_machine: :moneybag: :fire:
[2016-06-23 12:00:20] ayy_lmao : just paid 0.7 in dpe lmao
[2016-06-23 12:00:21] john : there we go......
[2016-06-23 12:00:31] rapidtrades : there it is
[2016-06-23 12:00:39] rapidtrades : hey bby!
[2016-06-23 12:00:53] mbaril : I paid 0.3 in DPE thanks you drop :(
[2016-06-23 12:01:21] macios15 : i need small loan of a million dolars
[2016-06-23 12:01:39] rapidtrades : oh yea? email me
[2016-06-23 12:01:48] rapidtrades : i give out the BEST LOANS
[2016-06-23 12:02:20] ayy_lmao : lol if this dumps and y'all get dpe'd again
[2016-06-23 12:02:57] rapidtrades : that would be pretty brutal...i think it happened to longs on the way up
[2016-06-23 12:03:09] rapidtrades : two DPEs back to back
[2016-06-23 12:03:12] john : why dont those liquidations are incrementally at marketprices instead of those huge bumps at a fixed price?
[2016-06-23 12:04:21] macios15 : buy that 1,3mln get rekt again and make more dpe
[2016-06-23 12:04:32] ayy_lmao : why dont people stop getting liquidated for 2k btc
[2016-06-23 12:07:15] subjective : what is that ?
[2016-06-23 12:07:19] subjective : 1.3M?
[2016-06-23 12:07:21] Avalanche : BitMEX_Wally: Hello Wally
[2016-06-23 12:07:56] subjective : Mother load
[2016-06-23 12:08:01] BitMEX_Wally : Avalanche: Hello
[2016-06-23 12:08:26] ayy_lmao : its the remains of a retard
[2016-06-23 12:08:52] Avalanche : BitMEX_Wally: I need explanation from someone about rebalance and profits
[2016-06-23 12:09:37] luckynuke : BitMEX_Wally: hey wally
[2016-06-23 12:09:51] Avalanche : because few hours ago I was 10xbt in profit and now have 5
[2016-06-23 12:10:11] Avalanche : all was closed positions and no new ones
[2016-06-23 12:10:25] mbaril : DPE my friend DPE :)
[2016-06-23 12:10:27] ayy_lmao : welcome to dpe
[2016-06-23 12:10:31] rapidtrades : u lost 30% to DPE @Avalanche
[2016-06-23 12:11:29] ayy_lmao : u have to pay for someone else's f*ck up
[2016-06-23 12:11:42] Avalanche : what ?
[2016-06-23 12:11:50] BitMEX_Wally : Avalanche: Your net profit in XBTUSD for the last 24 hour was adjusted due to DPE
[2016-06-23 12:12:36] BitMEX_Wally : Avalanche: The fee column is the amount of profit that was adjusted: https://www.bitmex.com/app/wallet
[2016-06-23 12:12:49] luckynuke : lol dat wall
[2016-06-23 12:13:22] BitMEX_Wally : The DPE rate was 22.69%
[2016-06-23 12:13:42] jung1 : 1242005
[2016-06-23 12:14:09] rapidtrades : let's be real, DPE/clawbacks is the disgrace of this industry
[2016-06-23 12:14:25] Avalanche : BitMEX_Wally: And it was that high at rebalance time ?
[2016-06-23 12:14:39] MrJ1m : all the rebalance are done then?
[2016-06-23 12:14:41] ayy_lmao : the drawbacks of trading fake bitcoins for fake bitcoins lmao
[2016-06-23 12:14:54] BitMEX_Wally : The history is here: https://www.bitmex.com/app/settlementHistory
[2016-06-23 12:15:01] rapidtrades : ayy_lmao: the PNL is in real bitcoins sadly
[2016-06-23 12:15:27] ayy_lmao : until dpe comes
[2016-06-23 12:15:51] luckynuke : dpe -> double penetration
[2016-06-23 12:16:02] Avalanche : I see a Fee of 1.03xbt
[2016-06-23 12:16:04] john : but who owns this position of 1242005 now?
[2016-06-23 12:16:05] blurrrrrp : The insurance fund is empty now?
[2016-06-23 12:16:18] rapidtrades : yes
[2016-06-23 12:16:24] john : its DPE'e ad 590.88, but now in the books at 587.87...who takes the extra loss?
[2016-06-23 12:16:38] BitMEX_Wally : The insurance fund
[2016-06-23 12:16:39] john : is this DPE again or is bitmex takingthis now?
[2016-06-23 12:16:39] ayy_lmao : whoever trades this contract
[2016-06-23 12:16:40] rapidtrades : they added funds from liqs prolly
[2016-06-23 12:16:58] rapidtrades : now its empty again
[2016-06-23 12:17:04] john : wasnt insurance fund already done from 650 to 625..and empty?
[2016-06-23 12:17:12] john : ahh...okok..and now empty again...understood
[2016-06-23 12:17:24] rapidtrades : right but liqs were happening all day yday
[2016-06-23 12:17:27] ayy_lmao : they dont fully liquidate you
[2016-06-23 12:17:36] ayy_lmao : they take the remains of your liquidated order
[2016-06-23 12:17:38] john : so if we go down from here we are in DPE again
[2016-06-23 12:17:40] ayy_lmao : and use it for fund
[2016-06-23 12:17:41] rapidtrades : yeah they do, they just add a small buffer
[2016-06-23 12:17:53] rapidtrades : around 1.2%
[2016-06-23 12:18:15] ayy_lmao : someone call lin
[2016-06-23 12:18:23] ayy_lmao : need to clear this shit
[2016-06-23 12:18:44] rapidtrades : noone has that kind of money
[2016-06-23 12:18:54] aethlios : BitMEX_Wally: if we have dpe again today, is this for open positions for current 24h session only??
[2016-06-23 12:18:57] rapidtrades : maybe if finex goes higher
[2016-06-23 12:19:00] Avalanche : so If I understoon correctly, I had to pay for someone else mistake or what ?
[2016-06-23 12:19:05] rapidtrades : aethlios: yes
[2016-06-23 12:19:09] john : so building up a short position now on bitmex is kind of double extra risky...because if there isnt gonna be uptick in market your profit will get dpe'd for sure
[2016-06-23 12:19:11] rapidtrades : Avalanche: yes
[2016-06-23 12:19:19] ayy_lmao : yes because bitmex gave you fake bitcoins to trade with and cant cover
[2016-06-23 12:19:29] JohnBoeg : No, it's all in the rules
[2016-06-23 12:19:35] aethlios : rapidtrades: I see in account that my profit from previous session is pending.
[2016-06-23 12:19:38] BitMEX_Wally : aethlios: Yes, only net profit on XBTUSD this 24 hour session
[2016-06-23 12:19:48] Avalanche : rapidtrades: does it say anywere on the site about that ?
[2016-06-23 12:20:05] rapidtrades : ^ support right there, can confirm
[2016-06-23 12:20:19] BitMEX_Wally : aethlios: That's the next rebalance, the date is in the future. Basically your unrealisedPNL so far
[2016-06-23 12:20:54] Avalanche : I made a good call going short from 660 and closed at 600
[2016-06-23 12:21:04] Avalanche : and now only got like 1/3 of the profits
[2016-06-23 12:21:13] ayy_lmao : sucks to be on the right side of the trade!
[2016-06-23 12:21:17] aethlios : BitMEX_Wally: ok, but that trader with dpe was 40% of open positions, this is the problem. is he a MM??
[2016-06-23 12:21:48] rapidtrades : yeah is he? mm shouldn't be allowed to F*ck us over
[2016-06-23 12:22:01] rapidtrades : *grabs pitchfork
[2016-06-23 12:22:26] JohnBoeg : That's the only real problem, somone owning half the open interest. @Avelanche: you could have known this was a possibility. It's all in the rules and basically the only way to make a product like this work.
[2016-06-23 12:22:45] BitMEX_Wally : It wasn't a market maker
[2016-06-23 12:22:53] aethlios : rapidtrades: MMs should be recuired to have adequate margin so not to use minimal margin to close positions. It looks to me this is a MM.
[2016-06-23 12:22:54] ayy_lmao : pleb confirmed
[2016-06-23 12:22:54] JohnBoeg : (Just so you know, this cost me way more, but I knew it was possible)
[2016-06-23 12:22:59] rapidtrades : if u can't restrain ur mm from DPE-ing us, maybe limit per account
[2016-06-23 12:23:03] BitMEX_Wally : We are going to add position limits to reduce this problem
[2016-06-23 12:23:13] rapidtrades : tnx
[2016-06-23 12:23:28] JohnBoeg : @BitMEX_Wally : Won't people just open more accounts?
[2016-06-23 12:23:31] BitMEX_Wally : And if you want a higher limit then we reduce your leverage and increase your maintenance margin
[2016-06-23 12:23:43] BitMEX_Wally : JohnBoeg: That's fine, because then the position will be split up with different liquidation prices
[2016-06-23 12:24:02] JohnBoeg : BitMEX_Wally: Not necessarily
[2016-06-23 12:25:16] rapidtrades : if the limit is low, it will become tedious to manage 5-10 accounts
[2016-06-23 12:25:20] JohnBoeg : BitMEX_Wally: another option to consider is incremental liquidations
[2016-06-23 12:25:33] rapidtrades : ofc i don't run bots....that could be trivial for them to do wih API
[2016-06-23 12:25:35] JohnBoeg : rapidtrades: Yeah, probably gamblers anyway
[2016-06-23 12:26:03] Avalanche : So I better move to some other exchange, because I got screwed for 5btc, because I made a good call.
[2016-06-23 12:26:22] JohnBoeg : Not screwed, other exchanges have similar systems
[2016-06-23 12:26:31] john : if you dont need 50x leverage....sure better do on other exchange
[2016-06-23 12:26:35] rapidtrades : not spot exchanges no
[2016-06-23 12:26:56] BitMEX_Wally : If you are short you also earn funding
[2016-06-23 12:27:01] BitMEX_Wally : Funding: 0.5192% in 8 hours
[2016-06-23 12:27:07] rapidtrades : gee thanks
[2016-06-23 12:27:55] ayy_lmao : Avalanche: okcoin
[2016-06-23 12:28:14] rapidtrades : i would advise against okc, market seems very manipulated
[2016-06-23 12:28:37] john : so what is the problem with that?
[2016-06-23 12:29:08] john : as long as their index is honest and there are no clawbacks...
[2016-06-23 12:29:30] rapidtrades : there are no clawbacks because they manipulate the market
[2016-06-23 12:29:34] ayy_lmao : they dont have large clawbacks
[2016-06-23 12:29:47] rapidtrades : they seem to run bots to clear large liquidation orders
[2016-06-23 12:29:48] ayy_lmao : they liquidate you on market price last i remember
[2016-06-23 12:29:58] ayy_lmao : no such thing as a mark price there
[2016-06-23 12:29:59] rapidtrades : nope they also add small buffer
[2016-06-23 12:30:21] ayy_lmao : i didnt mean market order
[2016-06-23 12:30:28] rapidtrades : mark price can work in ur favor if ur long for example
[2016-06-23 12:30:51] john : mark price = manipulation
[2016-06-23 12:30:58] Avalanche : I see nothing going into my favor
[2016-06-23 12:30:59] mbaril : Avalanche: the DPE was around 28% its impossible you get 5 btc out of 10. Check your calculation
[2016-06-23 12:31:13] rapidtrades : support says it was 22%
[2016-06-23 12:31:18] Avalanche : mbaril: I'm just doing that
[2016-06-23 12:31:26] rapidtrades : still very high but not 50%
[2016-06-23 12:31:36] ayy_lmao : and u arent in any positions right?
[2016-06-23 12:31:45] john : lets pray for a big uptick....then all fine again
[2016-06-23 12:32:05] ayy_lmao : not trading until that liq is gone
[2016-06-23 12:32:19] gaoMex : 1215684?
[2016-06-23 12:32:20] rapidtrades : finex stopped going up when that liq showed up
[2016-06-23 12:32:27] gaoMex : Over 1 million?!
[2016-06-23 12:32:35] rapidtrades : yes
[2016-06-23 12:33:00] Avalanche : export to CSV is not working so it takes time
[2016-06-23 12:33:22] ayy_lmao : u shouldt have to do that to check the rebalance
[2016-06-23 12:33:33] rapidtrades : it should be a line item on ur trade hsotry
[2016-06-23 12:33:36] ayy_lmao : it should be on the very top
[2016-06-23 12:33:47] ayy_lmao : on 6-23
[2016-06-23 12:34:31] Avalanche : ayy_lmao: I'm looking at trade history
[2016-06-23 12:34:46] ayy_lmao : https://www.bitmex.com/app/wallet
[2016-06-23 12:34:51] ayy_lmao : there right?
[2016-06-23 12:35:30] ayy_lmao : check the 6-23 row, it should have a fee column
[2016-06-23 12:35:37] Avalanche : ayy_lmao: yeah there is 3.69+ and Fee of 1.03
[2016-06-23 12:35:37] ayy_lmao : with the fee for rebalance
[2016-06-23 12:36:01] ayy_lmao : where does the 3.69 show up under
[2016-06-23 12:36:17] Avalanche : amount
[2016-06-23 12:36:27] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 1000 @ 591.37
[2016-06-23 12:36:53] ayy_lmao : your dpe was only 1 btc, not sure how the other 4 btc got taken
[2016-06-23 12:37:15] john : can somebody explain me why estimated DPE is still 0%...with the liquidation order out of sight?
[2016-06-23 12:37:29] ayy_lmao : mark price
[2016-06-23 12:37:36] ayy_lmao : still above liq
[2016-06-23 12:37:57] john : ahhhh ..manipulation....
[2016-06-23 12:38:08] john : well...yeah...makes sense....
[2016-06-23 12:43:15] bobo : is the insurance fund empty now? or is it used for the current 1.000.000 in liquidation?
[2016-06-23 12:43:44] macios15 : china dumps
[2016-06-23 12:45:13] bobo : wally, sam?
[2016-06-23 12:45:51] rapidtrades : i just switched to fixed margin....that amount is now locked and can not be withdrawn right?
[2016-06-23 12:46:07] luckynuke : doom
[2016-06-23 12:46:15] rapidtrades : don't want to get accidently LIQed with withdrawal
[2016-06-23 12:46:36] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 25550 @ 587.56 **MEGA-REKT** :boom:
[2016-06-23 12:46:54] arbitrage001 : oohh noooe
[2016-06-23 12:47:01] john : kijk...nu staan we al weer op DPE
[2016-06-23 12:47:07] arbitrage001 : another huge dpe for shorty
[2016-06-23 12:47:08] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 234700 @ 586.26 **REKTosaurus** :slot_machine: :moneybag: :fire:
[2016-06-23 12:47:31] luckynuke : reeekt
[2016-06-23 12:48:12] subjective : going to be so many rekt with this adjustment..
[2016-06-23 12:48:25] subjective : wipe out most of my profits already now negative.
[2016-06-23 12:48:36] Skitrx : whats up with bitstamp?
[2016-06-23 12:48:47] rapidtrades : can i use lower fee then the recommended 0.0005
[2016-06-23 12:49:07] macios15 : bitstamp gox 2
[2016-06-23 12:49:15] ayy_lmao : stamp is 579
[2016-06-23 12:49:32] Skitrx : oh bitcoinwisdom api must be broke
[2016-06-23 12:49:46] ayy_lmao : https://cryptowat.ch/bitstamp/btcusd
[2016-06-23 12:53:27] btcccccc : Hello
[2016-06-23 12:53:27] macios15 : buy that 1,2mln and get rekt again like that 200k lamfo
[2016-06-23 12:53:55] Mm bot : heart beats with every green bar
[2016-06-23 12:54:06] arbitrage001 : high leverage is a problem
[2016-06-23 12:54:12] Avalanche : So I made a calculation, will need some explanation from bitmex
[2016-06-23 12:54:16] btcccccc : I have a question at the last rebalance a rather big fee was taken out of my account.
[2016-06-23 12:54:37] btcccccc : In the fee column something seems wrong.
[2016-06-23 12:54:49] john : thas was socialised loss from bankrupt parties of last 24h trading....
[2016-06-23 12:55:01] john : winners share those losses...i had also 7btc fee....
[2016-06-23 12:55:04] bobo : welcome to bitmex, welcome to hell
[2016-06-23 12:55:05] ayy_lmao : does it add up to 20% of your profit
[2016-06-23 12:55:08] macios15 : i think we slowly head 3000-3100
[2016-06-23 12:55:09] bobo : :)
[2016-06-23 12:55:11] ayy_lmao : if not then u might be right
[2016-06-23 12:55:17] btcccccc : ohh damn
[2016-06-23 12:55:24] btcccccc : thats a crazy amount
[2016-06-23 12:55:34] BitMEX_Wally : Please email support@bitmex.com if you have a question regarding your account
[2016-06-23 12:57:19] btcccccc : It seems more then 20% of the rebalance that I got
[2016-06-23 12:57:28] btcccccc : Is that correct?
[2016-06-23 12:57:34] BitMEX_Wally : btcccccc: The amount shown is after the fee has been taken
[2016-06-23 12:58:02] rapidtrades : lol brutal
[2016-06-23 12:58:37] btcccccc : thanks
[2016-06-23 12:58:39] Avalanche : I went short for 34810$ at 56.67XBT, covered that short for 52.52XBT and another went long for 18451$ for 30.48XBT covered that for 30.81XBT, so all in all 4.48XBT clean profit just for that, not to include Index profits
[2016-06-23 12:58:46] btcccccc : from now on water and dry bread for me
[2016-06-23 12:59:13] Avalanche : and at rebalance I got 3.69xbt profit
[2016-06-23 12:59:52] ayy_lmao : yah that makes sense
[2016-06-23 12:59:57] ayy_lmao : 20% fee for dpe